OLD People SMELL (?)-- Vaccenic Acid ? -- Microbes --> Hydrogen (Durk Pearson) --BB Was Right! or (?) --Anthony Robbins -- Gravity & TIME -- E= Mc2 Smelly Fishy Or Timely? Time will TELL

[randall]

hi

This one goes with the LAST one:

Thurs, May 31 2012 12:37 pm
Subject: Albert Ellis and Skin ++ More Insights -- More on--->>> More
or LESS Exercise <<<<-- Sexxxercise in the Balance --
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/msg/bf5c164bf39e99df


OK... it was disjointed as i'm trying to put these notes together and
exercise...(not sexxxercise:) and go to LUNCH...


OLD Person SMELL ---> Vaccenic Acid?

vaccenic acid- 2 hits - p ng:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=vaccenic+&start=0&

Old man smell- p ng --> 48 hits:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=old+man+smell&start=0&


Whats smell got to do with it?

Is it fishy or like a FART?

Didn't Ben Franklin have a huge FART theory?

Yes... i'll add it below.. if i remember.. that far.. LOL


http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/31/old-person-smell-really-exists-scientists-say/
‘Old-Person Smell’ Really Exists, Scientists Say

Elderly people have a distinct smell, confirm researchers at Monell
Chemical Senses Center in Philadelphia, but contrary to stereotype
their scent isn't all bad.
By ALEXANDRA SIFFERLIN

‘Old-person smell’ is a real thing — and it’s not just due to
mothballs or a musty house. Researchers at the Monell Chemical Senses
Center in Philadelphia confirmed that elderly people really do have a
distinct scent, so recognizable in fact that people can identify them
by body odor alone.

The researchers speculate that the human ability to discern age
through scent might be an evolutionary skill related to the way other
animals are able to sniff out young, virile mates and avoid those that
are older or sick.

Both human and non-human animal body odors are rich with chemical
components that can transmit useful social information, the scientists
say. And many animals, including mice, rabbits, owls and monkeys, are
known to undergo changes to the chemical composition of their body
odor as they age.

“Similar to other animals, humans can extract signals from body odors
that allow us to identify biological age, avoid sick individuals, pick
a suitable partner and distinguish kin from non-kin,” said senior
author Johan Lundström, a sensory neuroscientist at Monell, in a
statement.

(VIDEO: A Faster Stride Predicts a Longer Life)
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,741816640001_2041380,00.html

((randall note: remind me to do this... I will...& now tell me a joke
better then the one you told John Malkovich: here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8-dWmz9Tlc ))

Lundström became interested in studying the effect of age on human
body odor when he noticed that old people in the U.S. seemed to smell
just the way did back home in Sweden. One day, when walked into an
elderly care center near Philadelphia to give a lecture, he realized
that the smell of the place was familiar — it was the exact same scent
of the nursing home in Sweden where his mother worked when he was a
boy.

For Lundström’s study, researchers collected body odor samples from 44
volunteers of three different age groups: 20 to 30 years old (young),
45 to 55 (middle-aged), and 75 to 95 (old). Researchers acquired the
samples by sewing nursing pads into the armpits of unscented T-shirts
and asking each body odor donor to sleep in the same shirt for five
consecutive nights. The pads were then removed, cut into quadrants and
placed into individual glass jars.

Next, 41 young (20 to 30 years old) participants were given two glass
jars in nine combinations to evaluate the scents. The participants
were asked to rate the intensity and pleasantness of each odor; they
were also asked either to identify which sample came from the older
odor donor or to estimate the age group to which each sample belonged.

(MORE: Exercise Keeps Muscles Young, Even in Elderly Heart Patients)
http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/08/exercise-keeps-muscles-young-even-in-elderly-heart-patients/

Participants were able to single out old-person smell better than the
odors of the younger age groups. When people tried to categorize the
sample odors by age, they had trouble distinguishing between the young
and middle-aged, but they were often instantly able to identify old
people’s scents.

Interestingly, despite its uniqueness — and contrary to the stereotype
— old-person smell isn’t exactly bad. The participants rated it as
less intense and less unpleasant than body odor from younger donors.
By gender, participants rated middle-aged men’s smell as the yuckiest
and most intense, and old-man smell as the most pleasant and least
intense. By contrast, middle-aged women’s scents were rated as more
pleasant than old-lady smells.

“Elderly people have a discernible underarm odor that younger people
consider to be fairly neutral and not very unpleasant,” said Lundström
in the statement. “However, it is possible that other sources of body
odors, such as skin or breath, may have different qualities.”

The old-person smell detected in the study couldn’t be explained by
the donors’ lifestyle or environment. The donors were all instructed
to wash with unscented soap and shampoo before bed each night. They
were also asked to refrain from drinking alcohol, smoking and eating
spicy foods or any other type of food that could affect body odor.

(MORE: Study: Sleep Gets Better With Age)
http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/01/study-sleep-gets-better-with-age/

The biological explanation for old-person smell isn’t clear, but the
researchers note that human body odors “originate from a complex
interaction between skin gland secretions and bacterial activity, and
skin gland composition and secretion change in an age-dependent manner
throughout development.”

Why the younger volunteers found old-person smell so unoffensive isn’t
clear either, but the authors write:

In the non-human animal literature, the ‘good genes’ model has been
put forth as an explanation for why female animals are attracted to
the odors of older males or why female insects prefer the sex
pheromone from older male insects. Signals indicating old age,
supposedly regulated by the immune system, are favored due to the
likelihood that individuals who reach old age possess a strong and
adaptive immune system, as well as other adaptive advantages that have
allowed them to grow older than their peers. Indeed, older male
insects have a higher reproductive success than their younger
competitors.
Of course, unlike insects, humans use many other better ways to choose
among potential partners. Still, our ability to sniff out old folks
appears to remain intact. “At the moment, the most interesting
implication of this study is that this might be another signal that we
can extract and use from body odors. We now know that we can extract
information about the senders genetic composition, kinship, sickness
and age,” says Lundström.

The study, published in the journal PLoS ONE, is part of a larger
project that aims to identify what signals are communicated via body
odors, isolate how the human brain processes these signals and
determine how they alter our behavior in everyday situations.

Read other related stories about this:
Scents and Senescence: "Old Person Smell" Is Real, but Not Necessarily
Offensive Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=old-person-smell
Is 'Old Person Smell' Real? Yes, But It's Not What You Think MSNBC
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/30/11958027-is-old-person-smell-real-yes-but-its-not-what-you-think?lite
Scientists Confirm Existence of 'Old Person Smell' CNN
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/30/scientists-confirm-existence-of-old-person-smell/

oddly not one of these has the term: vaccenic

oh well.. i know it so i won't forget to put it in this THREAD:

references:
full text:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0038110

Abstract:
Our natural body odor goes through several stages of age-dependent
changes in chemical composition as we grow older. Similar changes have
been reported for several animal species and are thought to facilitate
age discrimination of an individual based on body odors, alone. We
sought to determine whether humans are able to discriminate between
body odor of humans of different ages. Body odors were sampled from
three distinct age groups: Young (20–30 years old), Middle-age (45–
55), and Old-age (75–95) individuals. Perceptual ratings and age
discrimination performance were assessed in 41 young participants.
There were significant differences in ratings of both intensity and
pleasantness, where body odors from the Old-age group were rated as
less intense and less unpleasant than body odors originating from
Young and Middle-age donors. Participants were able to discriminate
between age categories, with body odor from Old-age donors mediating
the effect also after removing variance explained by intensity
differences. Similarly, participants were able to correctly assign age
labels to body odors originating from Old-age donors but not to body
odors originating from other age groups. This experiment suggests
that, akin to other animals, humans are able to discriminate age based
on body odor alone and that this effect is mediated mainly by body
odors emitted by individuals of old age.
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35 hits: Lundstrom JN[Author]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Lundstrom%20JN%5BAuthor%5D

#9 of 35 is body odor for Lundstrom:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20831940
Vitam Horm. 2010;83:1-23.
Functional neuronal processing of human body odors.

Lundström JN, Olsson MJ.

Source
Monell Chemical Senses Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.

Abstract
Body odors carry informational cues of great importance for
individuals across a wide range of species, and signals hidden within
the body odor cocktail are known to regulate several key behaviors in
animals. For a long time, the notion that humans may be among these
species has been dismissed. We now know, however, that each human has
a unique odor signature that carries information related to his or her
genetic makeup, as well as information about personal environmental
variables, such as diet and hygiene. Although a substantial number of
studies have investigated the behavioral effects of body odors, only a
handful have studied central processing. Recent studies have, however,
demonstrated that the human brain responds to fear signals hidden
within the body odor cocktail, is able to extract kin specific
signals, and processes body odors differently than other perceptually
similar odors. In this chapter, we provide an overview of the current
knowledge of how the human brain processes body odors and the
potential importance these signals have for us in everyday life.

PMID: 20831940


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^OK my brain is still smelling a
story


465 hits: vaccenic acid - pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=vaccenic%20acid

#8 of 465

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22417701
Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2012 Apr;86(4-5):175-82.
Epub 2012 Mar 13.
Cis-vaccenic acid and the Framingham risk score predict chronic kidney
disease: The multi-ethnic study of atherosclerosis (MESA).

Block R, Kakinami L, Liebman S, Shearer GC, Kramer H, Tsai M.

Source
Department of Community and Preventive Medicine, Division of
Epidemiology, the University of Rochester School of Medicine, Box 644,
601 Elnwood Avenue, Rochester, NY 14642, USA.

Abstract
INTRODUCTION:
Data on the associations of fatty acids with chronic kidney disease
(CKD) are sparse.
MATERIALS AND METHODS:
We performed a cross-sectional study of 2792 men and women from the
MESA cohort of African-American, Caucasian, Chinese and Hispanic
adults without known cardiovascular disease. Plasma phospholipid fatty
acid proportions were associated with estimated glomerular filtration
rate (eGFR) and the albumin/creatinine ratio.

RESULTS:
Cis-vaccenic acid (18:1n-7), adjusted for other fatty acids using
multivariate logistic regression (CI: 1.0-1.4), and step-wise logistic
regression (CI: 1.02-1.42), was positively associated with reduced
eGFR. The Framingham Risk Score, when adjusting for fatty acid
proportions and demographic factors, was positively associated with
CKD as measured by the eGFR and the albumin/creatinine ratio.

DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS:
Plasma phospholipid proportions of the 18 carbon monounsaturated cis-
vaccenic acid {18:1n-7}) and the Framingham Risk Score are associated
with kidney function. The potential role of 18:1n-7 in the development
of CKD warrants further investigation.

PMID: 22417701


8 hits: vaccenic acid aging - pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=vaccenic%20acid%20aging

#8 looks best besides the cat study from Japan in 2002.

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Taking another tack... port or star-bored? LoL

OK..

5 hits - vaccenic microbiota -pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=vaccenic%20microbiota

#1 of 5


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19202099
Microbiology. 2009 Feb;155(Pt 2):513-20.
Differences between human subjects in the composition of the faecal
bacterial community and faecal metabolism of linoleic acid.

Devillard E, McIntosh FM, Paillard D, Thomas NA, Shingfield KJ,
Wallace RJ.

Source
Rowett Research Institute, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21
9SB, UK.

Abstract
Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) is formed from linoleic acid (LA;
cis-9,cis-12-18:2) by intestinal bacteria. Different CLA isomers have
different implications for human health. The aim of this study was to
investigate LA metabolism and the CLA isomers formed in two
individuals (V1 and V2) with different faecal metabolic
characteristics, and to compare fatty acid metabolism with the
microbial community composition. LA incubated with faecal samples was
metabolized at similar rates with both subjects, but the products were
different. LA was metabolized extensively to stearic acid (SA; 18:0)
in V1, with minor accumulation of CLA and more rapid accumulation of
vaccenic acid (VA; trans-11-18:1). CLA accumulation at 4 h was almost
tenfold higher with V2, and little SA was formed. At least 12
different isomers of CLA were produced from LA by the colonic bacteria
from the two individuals. The predominant (>75%) CLA isomer in V1 was
rumenic acid (RA; cis-9,trans-11-18:2), whereas the concentrations of
RA and trans-10,cis-12-18:2 were similar with V2. Propionate and
butyrate proportions in short-chain fatty acids were higher in V1. A
16S rRNA clone library from V1 contained mainly Bacteroidetes (54% of
clones), whereas Firmicutes (66% of clones) predominated in V2. Both
samples were devoid of bacteria related to Clostridium
proteoclasticum, the only gut bacterium known to metabolize VA to SA.
Thus, the CLA formed in the intestine of different individuals may
differ according to their resident microbiota, with possibly important
implications with respect to gut health.

PMID: 19202099
Free full text

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19118369
Mechanism of conjugated linoleic acid and vaccenic acid formation in
human faecal suspensions and pure cultures of intestinal bacteria.
McIntosh FM, Shingfield KJ, Devillard E, Russell WR, Wallace RJ.
Microbiology. 2009 Jan;155(Pt 1):285-94.

[...] A hydrogen-abstraction enzymic mechanism is proposed that may
explain the role of a 10-OH-18 : 1 intermediate in 9,11-CLA formation
in pure and mixed cultures.
PMID: 19118369
Free Article
http://mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=19118369


Hydrogen must be KEY? And gut flora in relationship to hydrogen?

Hey!

I've got a Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw thread on that?

Yes... must paste it here... soon... and not be a goon... wasting
time.. like albert ellis self gratifications... when old albert sent
16 hour days working his pyscho theraPy...


Gosh what an inspiration, old albert ellis was..

With smell oh vision on youtube we might know in the future what the
old people ate and how much hydrogen gut bacteria and how much
vaccenic acid they produced.

Does vaccenic acid spell END times?

Does obama smell funky? Only when he's fracking the economy... LOL

He eats meat, so wouldn't BB find obama to be much less then these
guys:

Did osama eat goat or just eat it?

We know he needed the little blue pill... and eating red meat is
carnitine and sexy enzymes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnitine

So? Was osama a vegetarian and needed the blue pill for the nitric
oxide et al to get it UP?

Did BB's guys screw around much beyond be FAMOUS? I know that Newton
was a virgin!

And without sex he knew the end times:'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issac_Newton#End_of_the_world

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/browse_frm/thread/bbd4297769db252a#
Bohgosity BumaskiL
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More options May 28, 10:12 pm
Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Leonardo Da Vinci, Isaac
Newton, Voltaire, Henry David Thoreau, George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin
Franklin, Thomas Edison, Dr. Albert Schweitzer, Mohandas Karamchand
Gandhi. A more exhaustive list is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vegetarians
I ruthlessly stole this shorter one from Anthony Robbins.
<snip>

10 results for Anthony Robbins + bumaskiL-- p ng
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/search?q=Anthony+Robbins+bumaskiL&start=0&


Wow... i've got to spend some time with antony.

he said & quoted by BB:

[...] > Think of a vulture. Why do you think it looks that way? It
doesn't
> eat water-rich foods. If you eat something that's dried and dead,
> guess what you're going to look like? I'm only half kidding on this
> point. --Anthony Robbins

To wit i said:

[...] So go for it.
i'ts REAL
http://askdryuen.com/
Kam Yuen's life changing events: kung fu seminars
http://www.yuenmethod.com/store/cart.php
<snip>

Kung Fu master Kam Yuen or vegetarian Anthony Robbins?

I wonder which does better on the seminar circuit?

Would albert ellis pull in kan or anthony numbers in a seminar that
costs $25 or $100?

Or would ellis folks stay have and do sexxxercise?

Wow... never read this one. BB thank you.. got it now.. LOL

you said:
Thurs, Apr 5 2012 6:11 am
Subject: Re: For BB ---> H2O cure on drugs -- or KUNG Fu? Or TCM or or
or or porky pig or Th2 versus Th1
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis/msg/fb29c52d680c391d

[...] On 2012-04-04 11:16 AM, randall wrote:
(...)
>> Have you been Dx'd by a derm?

Yes. The bit on my arm bleeds pin-pricks when it haz been "scraped"
(Auspitz test), that is the "scales" (malformed skin) hav been
washed and rubbed off. Pagano treats Atopic Dermatitis (ekzema) the
same way, and gets rezults. Don't get me wrong, though, there's a
lot to Pagano that I am not using, and I might end up using more of
hiz information if I don't get damn-near-clear in three months,
because I don't hav much to clear.
>> How long ago... what pasi and age from onset to now?

About five years ago, pasi less than five (perhaps ten at this point
since January, including some exfolliative on my calves). The bits
on my cheeks really must go away, though.
>> Or in general terms if not exact.
>> Like for me... onset around six and have it for half a century
>> worse pasi around 33- 39 ... and then knocked omega-6 ratio
>> down in early 90's and lowered about 30% and hit a plateau.
>> And did go vegetarian and 200 plus other things...


According to Pagano, vejetarian isn't enough (and hiz version of
vejetarianizm iz not vejan, either). It might be enough for me,
because I am late onset, and I've never noticed anything like an
allergy to the nightshades: white potatoes, tomatoes, jalapeno
family peppers, eggplant, tobacco (okay, maybe he haz me on that
one) [and a few others].

- Hide quoted text -
>> and all the notes are in this group... <G>
>> And would like to do Samambaia, calaguala, huayhuashi-shupa,
>> cotochupa, mirane, temakaje Kalawalla, but got side lined
>> with other trials.
>> But hey i'm nearly clear unless i BRING it back.
>> And it's SFB for me that seemingly goes up and down
>> and D3 does a trick or two during that GUT trip.
> Think of a vulture. Why do you think it looks that way? It doesn't
> eat water-rich foods. If you eat something that's dried and dead,
> guess what you're going to look like? I'm only half kidding on this
> point. --Anthony Robbins
>> Who is tony robbins? The guy who lives in del mar, Ca?
>> Does lecture's and did that movie with shallow hal?


I don't know about shallow hal, and I know he duz lectures. He also
duz hypnosis at about three thousand dollars a pop. He probably
still runs walk-on-hot-coal camps. I don't know where he lives, and
I do know that it's classy digs, so Del Mar might be right.
<snip>


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I want to be like voltaire and tend to my microbiota garden of EDEN
inside
of me.

Should i be more like BB then?

Yes..

and eat apples

Like the gravity of this is beyond our mere human grasp?

No.. Newton got it and so did Voltaire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issac_Newton#Apple_incident

[...] In similar terms, Voltaire wrote in his Essay on Epic Poetry
(1727), "Sir Isaac Newton walking in his gardens, had the first
thought of his system of gravitation, upon seeing an apple falling
from a tree."

It is known from his notebooks that Newton was grappling in the late
1660s with the idea that terrestrial gravity extends, in an inverse-
square proportion, to the Moon; however it took him two decades to
develop the full-fledged theory.[108] The question was not whether
gravity existed, but whether it extended so far from Earth that it
could also be the force holding the Moon to its orbit. Newton showed
that if the force decreased as the inverse square of the distance, one
could indeed calculate the Moon's orbital period, and get good
agreement. He guessed the same force was responsible for other orbital
motions, and hence named it "universal gravitation".

Various trees are claimed to be "the" apple tree which Newton
describes. The King's School, Grantham, claims that the tree was
purchased by the school, uprooted and transported to the headmaster's
garden some years later. The staff of the [now] National Trust-owned
Woolsthorpe Manor dispute this, and claim that a tree present in their
gardens is the one described by Newton. A descendant of the original
tree [109] can be seen growing outside the main gate of Trinity
College, Cambridge, below the room Newton lived in when he studied
there. The National Fruit Collection at Brogdale[110] can supply
grafts from their tree, which appears identical to Flower of Kent, a
coarse-fleshed cooking variety.[111]
<snip>



ok... i'm running with gravity... and not scissors... LOL

Will i cut up these things or get them DONE?


randall... running with TIME and gravity..the equation's form!