#In wild, desperate swings, McKook Kampaign warns of "Obama Depression"
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Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
AFP
Published: Monday July 28, 2008
John McCain's White House campaign Monday dragged rival Barack Obama
back to the domestic fray, scorning his economic plan as a recipe to
plunge the United States into a 1930s-style depression.
Top aides to the Republican senator vied to steal the thunder from an
illustrious panel of economic advisors being convened by Obama -- and
recapture some of the headlines after the Democrat's much-acclaimed
foreign tour.
But with fewer than 100 days now to go before the November 4 election,
Obama had opened up a nine-point lead in the latest Gallup poll
released Sunday -- 49 percent to 40 for McCain.
Carly Fiorina, a key lieutenant to McCain and former boss of computing
giant Hewlett-Packard, said a recession triggered by the 1929 Wall
Street crash became a depression through the imposition of higher
taxes and trade barriers.
"The reality is when an economy is slowing, if you raise taxes and you
curtail free trade through isolationist policies, bad economic times
become worse," she told reporters.
"We know this from history... and that is precisely the proposal that
Barack Obama is making," Fiorina said.
"And that is why I say as a businesswoman, I hope Barack Obama
continues to consult with experts because I think his understanding of
the economy leaves a great deal to be desired."
Obama, basking in the afterglow of his triumphant tour of Afghanistan,
Iraq, the Middle East and Europe, was to pivot from that
security-themed week to addressing the gathering cloud engulfing the
world's largest economy.
His high-powered panel of advisors meeting later Monday includes
former treasury secretary Robert Rubin, ex-Federal Reserve chairman
Paul Volcker, billionaire investor Warren Buffett and Google chairman
Eric Schmidt.
Campaign aides told AFP that two former top members of President
George W. Bush's administration -- treasury secretary Paul O'Neill and
Securities and Exchange commissioner William Donaldson -- were joining
the Obama panel.
"Participants in today's meeting will discuss how to restore balance
to the economy so that entrepreneurship is encouraged and hard work is
rewarded," a campaign memo said.
The Democratic senator from Illinois has laid out proposals for
middle-class tax cuts while levying higher taxes on the rich, new
federal stimulus spending, and additional measures to prop up the
stricken housing market.
The Obama campaign accuses McCain of fuzzy arithmetic on his own vows
to cut taxes across the board, balance the budget and sustain a hefty
US military presence in Iraq.
And it has ridiculed McCain's admission last December that he knows
more about national security than about the economy.
The Arizona senator suffered a setback just over a week ago with the
resignation of his own top economic adviser, Phil Gramm, after the
former senator had called the United States a "nation of whiners" over
the economy.
"What is driving people all across the country right now are worries
and concerns about inability to pay the gas bill, inability to buy
food because prices have gone up so high," Obama told NBC television
Sunday.
"We've got to fundamentally shift how we approach economic policy," he
said, with polls giving Obama a commanding lead over McCain on the
bread-and-butter issues that are now the top concern to US voters.
Despite McCain's calls for a hands-off approach from the government,
there is a new appetite for intervention in Congress as voters reel
from job losses, home seizures and rocketing fuel prices.
The Senate on Saturday approved a housing rescue plan designed to help
thousands of homeowners avert foreclosure and bolster mortgage finance
giants at risk of collapse. Bush is set to sign the bill into law this
week.
"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that
said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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Brian Carey
"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
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> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>
> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
that won't help.
That said, I'm not sure McCain would be much better for the economy.
h...@nospam.org
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>http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
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>Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>AFP
>Published: Monday July 28, 2008
>
>John McCain's White House campaign Monday dragged rival Barack Obama
>back to the domestic fray, scorning his economic plan as a recipe to
>plunge the United States into a 1930s-style depression.
too late. Bush already did that.
Hal
h...@nospam.org
Bush and Cheney have trashed the economy so badly it doesn't much
matter who the next president will be. The train wreck has already
begun, and there is no way to stop it now.
Hal
4125 Dead
<car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
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>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>news:qu0s841nf32suhqjc...@4ax.com...
>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>>
>> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>
>Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
>that won't help.
Every time they've raised taxes on the idle rich, the economy has
boomed.
Steve
wrote:
>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:23:53 -0400, "Brian Carey"
><car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>news:qu0s841nf32suhqjc...@4ax.com...
>>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>>>
>>> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>>
>>Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
>>that won't help.
>
>Every time they've raised taxes on the idle rich, the economy has
>boomed.
Actually, its exactly the opposite... of course, losers like Jamieson
like to see rich people taxed.. he see's it as a punishment for them
being so much more successful than himself... Class envy is alive
and well in Dunedin and it's name is David (Zepp) Jamieson.
Steve
You'd probably be OK if you'd just go out and get a job...
4125 Dead
they're just getting an early start. They want to blame Obama NOW for
the economy, just as they blamed FDR in January of 1933 for the
economy then, and Carter for the economy in 1973. Pubs get real quiet
when you mention wage-price freezes and "Whip Inflation Now" buttons.
Neither came from Carter.
astr...@yahoo.com
Yea, took them a while, years, to pin the 9/11 attacks on Bill
Clinton. So really they are tragically incompetent, let things go to
shit, then blame everybody else.
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't
care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
4125 Dead
They like to blame Clinton for not capturing bin Laden. One clown
here like to obsess that Clinton failed to capture him at a time the
US wasn't looking for him, and they all forget how they fought Clinton
when he DID start tracking OBL down.
And of course, it's somehow Clinton's fault that OBL hasn't been
caught SINCE 9/11. It's only been almost seven years, after all.
These things take TIME!
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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Brian Carey
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> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:23:53 -0400, "Brian Carey"
> <car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>news:qu0s841nf32suhqjc...@4ax.com...
>>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>>>
>>> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>>
>>Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
>>that won't help.
>>
>>That said, I'm not sure McCain would be much better for the economy.
>>
...that "Dark Knight" made $300 million in 10 days. Sounds like people are
REALLY hurting. LOL!
Brian Carey
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:23:53 -0400, "Brian Carey"
> <car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>news:qu0s841nf32suhqjc...@4ax.com...
>>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>>>
>>> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>>
>>Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
>>that won't help.
>
> Every time they've raised taxes on the idle rich, the economy has
> boomed.
Prove it. Good luck.
Brian Carey
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:00:29 -0700, 4125 Dead <ze...@finestplanet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:23:53 -0400, "Brian Carey"
>><car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:qu0s841nf32suhqjc...@4ax.com...
>>>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>>>>
>>>> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>>>
>>>Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
>>>that won't help.
>>
>>Every time they've raised taxes on the idle rich, the economy has
>>boomed.
>
> Actually, its exactly the opposite...
Apparently Zepp also doesn't understand that increases in capital gains
taxes don't just affect "the idle rich". Most Americans own stocks via
401ks and their own personal stock portfolios.
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>They like to blame Clinton for not capturing bin Laden.
That's because he was to blame....
Kurt Lochner
>
> 4125 Dead remarked:
- -
>
>That's because he was to blame....
*>LOL!<* You're so clueless..
Steve
<car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
>news:76js849621s9cpdp2...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:00:29 -0700, 4125 Dead <ze...@finestplanet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:23:53 -0400, "Brian Carey"
>>><car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:qu0s841nf32suhqjc...@4ax.com...
>>>>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>>>>
>>>>Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
>>>>that won't help.
>>>
>>>Every time they've raised taxes on the idle rich, the economy has
>>>boomed.
>>
>> Actually, its exactly the opposite...
>
>Apparently Zepp also doesn't understand that increases in capital gains
>taxes don't just affect "the idle rich". Most Americans own stocks via
>401ks and their own personal stock portfolios.
>
But remember that Zepp, himself, is not included in that group...
He's never had any capital gains because he's too irresponsible to
plan for his future.... See below... he doesn't even know that you
report capital gains to the IRS on the 1040 form...
"If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll be in jail
soon enough. Funny. I though a big rich guy like him could afford a
tax accountant. It's obvious he isn't smart enough to do his own
taxes."
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
Canyon note: Irony anyone? It's obvious that Zepp has never had
any cap gains to pay and that his measly income tax is payable on
a 1040EZ form for high school kids working fast food joints after
school.
Mitchell Holman
news:ouOdncRYAZtAQxPV...@earthlink.com:
Why is the 30% rate during the "booming" Reagan years
considered "confiscatory" now?
4125 Dead
<car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
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><h...@nospam.org> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:23:53 -0400, "Brian Carey"
>> <car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:qu0s841nf32suhqjc...@4ax.com...
>>>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>>>>
>>>> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>>>
>>>Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
>>>that won't help.
>>>
>>>That said, I'm not sure McCain would be much better for the economy.
>>>
>> Bush and Cheney have trashed the economy so badly...
>
>...that "Dark Knight" made $300 million in 10 days. Sounds like people are
>REALLY hurting. LOL!
Hollywood did well during the Great Depression, too.
>
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
4125 Dead
And why are dividends on 401Ks considered capital gains? (They are,
when it comes time to cash the 401K in, but Steve wouldn't know that).
The economy recovered after FDR raised taxes, and of course, it got
better after Reagan and Bush raised taxes, and flat-out boomed after
Clinton gave us what was called "the greatest tax increase in the
history of humanity".
>
>
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
4125 Dead
<car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>news:7bgs84t8if9cde7ks...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:23:53 -0400, "Brian Carey"
>> <car...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"4125 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:qu0s841nf32suhqjc...@4ax.com...
>>>> http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_would_drag_US_into_depression_07282008.html
>>>>
>>>> Obama would drag US into depression: McCain camp
>>>
>>>Hussein is calling for a massive tax increase on capital gains. I'm sure
>>>that won't help.
>>
>> Every time they've raised taxes on the idle rich, the economy has
>> boomed.
>
>Prove it. Good luck.
FDR, 1934. Compared to the previous five years, it was a boom.
Reagan, 1985. Raised taxes to just about where they were before he
lowered them, only on the middle class this time, and the economy
grew. Bush, 1991, and Clinton, 1993. Led to the great "Clinton
boom".
>
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
4125 Dead
He's just begging for our attention. Wants us all to admire his
intellect, or something.
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:34:14 -0500, Kurt Lochner
><kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"senile, craven" <semen...@tamponboy.rr.com> whimpered, impotently:
>>>
>>> 4125 Dead remarked:
>>- -
>>> > They like to blame Clinton for not capturing bin Laden.
>>>
>>>That's because he was to blame....
>>
>>*>LOL!<* You're so clueless..
>>
>>--http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp
>
>He's just begging for our attention. Wants us all to admire his
>intellect, or something.
Zepp has no intellect.. He's a total moron and a fool..
see below:
"And why are dividends on 401Ks considered capital gains? (They are,
when it comes time to cash the 401K in, but Steve wouldn't know
that)."
David (Zepp) Jamieson Tue, 29 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/25d56714cbea3db9?hl=en
Canyon Note: When you cash in a 401K, it's taxed as ordinary income
not as capital gains.
Of course Zepp wouldn't know that. He's too stupid and irresponsible
to save and invest
Steve
they're not considered capital gains, Dummy
>(They are,
>when it comes time to cash the 401K in, but Steve wouldn't know that).
<ROTFLMAO> Irony anyone?
That's going straight into my Zepp_is_a_moron file..
When you cash in a 401K it's taxed as ordinary income....
Kurt Lochner
>
> 4125 Dead replied to:
> >
> > Kurt Lochner was exploiting the malignant narcissims exhibited by:
> > >
> > >"steamed habanero" <semen...@tamponboy.rr.com> whimpered, impotently:
> > > >
> > > > 4125 Dead remarked:
- - - - -
> > > > > They like to blame Clinton for not capturing bin Laden.
> > > >
> > > >That's because he was to blame....
> > >
> > > *>LOL!<* You're so clueless..
> > >
> > > --http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp
> >
> > He's just begging for our attention. Wants us all to admire his
> > intellect, or something.
>
>Zepp has no intellect.. He's a total moron and a fool..
That would be a negative claim..
--And symptomatic of your habitual lying..
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the expense of:
> >
> >"senile, craven" <semen...@tamponboy.rr.com> whimpered, impotently:
> > >
> > > 4125 Dead remarked:
> > > > They like to blame Clinton for not capturing bin Laden.
> > >
> > >That's because he was to blame....
> >
> > *>LOL!<* You're so clueless..
> >
> > --http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp
>
> He's just begging for our attention. Wants us all to admire his
> intellect, or something.
Ah, that malignant narcissism of his at play again..
--He's been following you around like a lonesome puppy dog again..
astro...@yahoo.com
Yea, I wish the Republican could find a different program to run on,
the one the have been relying on as many years is riddled with major
flaws, if it just affected them I wouldn't care, but it negatively
affects the rest of us.
Gary DeWaay
@finestplanet.com 4125 Dead says...
> They like to blame Clinton for not capturing bin Laden. One clown
> here like to obsess that Clinton failed to capture him at a time the
> US wasn't looking for him,
I guess to be fair, Clinton himself admitted he didn't do enough...
20/20 hindsite and all.
and they all forget how they fought Clinton
> when he DID start tracking OBL down.
Tooth and fucking nail.
>
> And of course, it's somehow Clinton's fault that OBL hasn't been
> caught SINCE 9/11. It's only been almost seven years, after all.
> These things take TIME!
>
Clinton let him "go" when there wasn't clear legislation to arrest him,
and he hadn't actually done anything provably criminal yet.
The Shrub let him go after 9/11 in Tora Bora.
Guess which person righties blame?