V3.0 Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can! (Classic Repost) U_0104
Beaver Cleaver
links to replace dead DEJA-COM links but be forewarned that not all internal
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-- Tavish May 16, 2003
The following should prove to everyone how the majority of Jews (not all Jews
mind you) views the rest of humanity...
http://www.lf2.cuni.cz/listserv/ahoj-l/199905/msg00141.html
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Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!
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Subject: Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:31:11 GMT
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Highlights to look for:
" We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink
containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened.."
" Boiled wine is really for use when a non-Jew would be in the
position of pouring a cup for a Jew. At the seder, that shouldn't be
an issue, as your cup should be poured by a fellow Jew at the table."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/44e5128d4464b221?fwc=1
From: David S. Maddison <madd...@power.connexus.net.au>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Wine Questions
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:54:15 GMT
Message-ID: <6uvn0n$341$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/d870e97fdcd37cfa?fwc=1
In article <01bdeceb$0d4901c0$312d...@jbc.san.rr.com>,
"JC" <jco...@san.rr.com> wrote:
[..]
> > Would the boiled wine of yesterday be treated the same as the pasteurized
> > juice of today (which is what grape juices is)?
:
> Boiled is mevushel wine. Yes, it is the same but it also includes many
> wines. Most of the commonly available kosher wines are mevushel, like
> Manischevitz. I would suspect, for that reason, most seders use boiled
> wine. Boiled wine is really for use when a non-Jew would be in the
> position of pouring a cup for a Jew. At the seder, that shouldn't be an
> issue, as your cup should be poured by a fellow Jew at the table. But I
> haven't heard of a specific prohibition. Never heard of smoked wine. By
> sweet wine, the analogy might be to fortified wines, which would be
> prohibited.
[..]
As I understand it, the requirements for wine that is not rendered
treif by handling by non-Jews relate to the suitability of that wine
for use in idol worship (avodah zarah). If the wine is not suitable
for idol worship and it is kosher in the first place, then it is not
rendered treif by being handled by non-Jews. The reason for this is
simply that in ancient times, idol worship was extremely common among
non-Jews and therefore there is a good chance that the wine could
have been dedicated to idols before being given to Jews.
Wine which was either boiled (mevushal) or had herbs added to it
(mevushin) was not considered suitable for idol worship, therefore
such wine could be drunk by Jews, if originally kosher.
AFAIK, kosher mevushin wine is quite rare, most kosher wine is
mevushal.
As usual, CYLOR if you have any halachic questions.
David Maddison
~~~~~END~~~~~
Notice the discrimination and bigotry in this: " Boiled wine is really
for use when a non-Jew would be in the position of pouring a cup for
a Jew. At the seder, that shouldn't be an issue, as your cup should
be poured by a fellow Jew at the table."? Tavish
Boiled wine isn't even considered fit for a Jew to drink according to
an article the B'nai B'rith has published! Look for: "...cooked wine
is far less palatable and no one would want to use it. "
>From B'nai B'rith (Mother of ADL):
http://bnaibrith.org/ijm/articles/wine/index.html
(Not active at this time. See additional material just below which is
essentially the same. July 10, 2003)
http://web.archive.org/web/19990429192622re_/bnaibrith.org/ijm/articles/wine/index.html
(Link active December 20, 2003. Archived locally as: archiveORGbbWINE)
Vineyard Vanguard:
The new taste of a well-aged tradition
By Joseph Berkofsky
[ ... ] (Excerpt used for "educational" purposes]
Like all other kosher food or drink, kosher wine cannot contain any
unkosher animal or fish products; to be kosher for Passover, it must
also not come in contact with any leavened grains.
But the law regarding wine extracts another, more pressing, demand: It
cannot be handled by non-Jews.
The roots of this law reach back to the ancient Land of Israel where,
to prevent Jews from drinking wines used in idol worship, Jewish law
forbade Jews to touch wine that had been moved in an open vessel by
non-Jews, since it was likely used as a wave offering. The rabbis
later went further in battling assimilation, declaring any wine
handled by a non-Jew unfit to drink.
Today, in order to ensure that a wine meets all the kashrut
requirements, the entire winemaking process from grape-crushing to
bottling is overseen by trained, Sabbath-observant Jews, or
mashgichim, who handle all flow of the wine. And, as Ben Welton, a
mashgiach for St. Supery and others, can attest, this kind of kosher
supervision can mean as much toil as Torah.
With help from nearby non-Jewish winery workers, mashgichim operate
cranes to unload the grapes from trucks after the fall harvest. They
run the crushers which break the grapes, and pipe the crushed grapes
and juice into steel tanks. And they oversee the rest of the process
from fermentation, when yeast converts the grape's sugar into alcohol,
to filtering the wine and moving it into oak barrels to be aged.
At times, says Welton, this is dizzying work - literally. Not too long
ago, he recalls, he had to dig heavy heaps of stems from a huge
fermentation tank at St. Supery - while wearing a lifeline to show
that he was not inhaling too much alcohol vapor.
Peak season for mashgichim like Welton is between August and January,
when most of the winemaking occurs. And, although a mashgiach need not
be on premises other than when the wine is being moved through the
process, mashgichim will occassionally return to inspect the wine as
it ages to ensure that it has not been touched by non-Jews.
But those wineries that wish to involve non-Jews in the process can
tap into a Talmudic ruling that makes this possible.
Rabbinic authorities decreed that wine, even if touched by non-Jews,
was fit for Jewish use so long as it was mevushal, or cooked. The idea
was, in part, that cooked wine is far less palatable and no one would
want to use it. <END>
Newly added July 10, 2003:
Additional material which augments the above text:
http://www.bnti.us/studies/steps_to_pesach/11_wine.html
(Link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: bnti_11-wine)
Bnai Noach Torah Institute Course: Steps To Pesach 202
steps_t...@bnti.us Lesson 11
By Dr. Akiva G. Belk
First let’s discuss wine. In Yiddishkeit there is a term known as Yayin
Nesekh {wine handled by a heathen}. Originally Yayin Nesekh meant wine offered
to idols. Today among the observant Jews it means wine handled by non Jews. Our
sages forbid Jews to drink Yayin Nesekh... They accept wine whereby the grapes
are not picked or supervised by Jews. They accept wine which is not touched by
human hands... has no human contact from the time it is fed into vats until it
is sealed in bottles.
Strict observance requires that rabbinic supervision be present
throughout the entire process and that the wine be labeled by a recognized
kashrus organization...
Wine contacted by an idolator at any stage of its preparation is the
basis to prohibit its consumption by a Jew. Why? Anything used by an idolator in
ceremonies is prohibited for Jewish consumption. To make this easy for us who
desire to be careful, strict observance differentiates between kosher and non
kosher wine. Kosher wine has two categories. First is “not mevushal” which means
it has not been cooked or boiled. It is acceptable for a non Jew to handle the
bottle as long as the seal is intact. Once the seal is broken non Jews are
prohibited access. The second category is “mevushal.” The presumption is that
wine boiled after pressing is not associated with pagan use. The term that
includes this process is “mevushal.” This wine may be handled by non Jews even
after it has been opened.... <END>
More:
http://www.ottmall.com/mj_ht_arch/v21/mj_v21i19.html
(Link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: mj_v21i19)
Mail.Jewish Mailing List Volume 21 Number 19
Yayin Nesech and Non-Religious Jews (3)
http://www.ottmall.com/mj_ht_arch/v21/mj_v21i19.html#CEO
[Binyomin Segal, Robert Rubinoff, Avi Feldblum]
From: bse...@mcs.com (Binyomin Segal)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 21:03:43 -0500
Subject: Yayin Nesech and Non-Religious Jews
In response to Carl's question re wine touched by an irreligious Jew.
There is a Torah prohibition of deriving benefit from something used for
idol worship. This includes yayin nesach (wine that was used in an
idolatrous libation). The rabbis added a category called "Stam Yaynam"
literally "plain wine of theirs" that refers to wine that was touched by
a non jew...
Now, this extra stringency was not legislated on "cooked wine" (yayin
mevushal). Cooked wine - that is wine that has been heated after
fermentation to a temperature somewhere between 104 and 212F - was not
used in the Temple and it seems it was not used in idol worship
either. As such most restrictions re a non-jews touching it were not
imposed upon wine that had been cooked. (Just as an aside - non cooked
wine is seen as the preferred type of wine for kiddush et al, as it is
wine that could be used in Temple service.)
For various reasons the VAST majority of kosher wine sold today is
cooked in this way. It avoids all sorts of problems (like waiters at a wedding).
However it does (so they say) affect the delicate flavor of good wines. I
believe, Golan - in an attempt to be a really good wine - is one of very
few wineries that do not cook their wine.
As for the second issue - ie non-religious Jews treated as non-Jews here
- I believe the Chazon Ish is clear that they are treated as JEWS - and
so the wine would be permitted. But since the issue comes up infrequently I'm
not sure its clear what "normative" practice is. CYLOR. <END>
http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010907/supp59.shtml
(Link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: supp59)
From vine to vat to bottle: Here's how to keep it kosher
BILL STRUBBE Jewish Telegraphic Agency
OCCIDENTAL, Calif. (JTA) -- Grapes are the only fruit from which
sacramental wine can be derived, so Judaism treats the fruit of the vine with
special reverence.
Whenever wine is on the table, a prayer is offered. The codification of
kosher wine, which began in the days of Maimonides, girded it with strict
production requirements to guard its purity...
*For wine to retain its religious purity when handled by non-Jews, the
wine must be pasteurized; it is then known as yayin mevushal, or cooked wine.
The barely fermenting "must," a slurry of crushed grapes and liquid, is quickly
run over steel plates heated to about 185 degrees until bubbles appear,
satisfying the kashrut laws... <END>
http://www.jewishsf.com/bk970418/1abeyo.htm
(Link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: 1abeyo)
Beyond Passover: California kosher wines come of age
JOSEPH BERKOFSKY
[...]
While the French wines could gain a foothold in the domestic kosher wine
world, much of the battle for kosher wine standing revolves around kashrut
itself. The war is, literally, over heat.
Among the claims to fame by Hagafen, Mount Maroma and Herzog are that
their wines are mevushal, or cooked. In fact, they are flash pasteurized at 185
degrees for several seconds by a machine one St. Supery worker lovingly calls a
"mevushalator."
The process allows observant Jews to drink the wine no matter who is
pouring it. That is crucial not only to gain the coveted "circle U" or U.O. --
the Orthodox Union's widely accepted stamp of kashrut (and costly to winemakers,
boosting the wine's price). It also opens the door to kosher catering sales and
to a burgeoning modern Orthodox clientele that is thirsting for good wines, Weir
and others say.
Mevushal's roots reach to the Babylonian era of the sixth century BCE, a
time of intellectual and social freedom in Mesopotamia when Jews and non-Jews
freely mixed -- and shared sacramental wine... Non-boiled wine could still be
shared between Jews, but only yayinmevushal (boiled wine) could be accepted from
non-Jews...<END>
http://www.carmel-food.com/kosher.htm
(Link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: carmel-kosher)
WHAT IS KOSHER
The definition of 'Kashrut' is 'purity' and the Jewish dietary laws
ensure the hygiene and purity of the products are strictly kept to the laws and
regulations of the bible. In the case of wine, these regulations are especially
stringent. In Judaism, as in other religions, wine is used for sacramental
purposes and at almost every ceremony a blessing is made over wine... <END>
The above is the bottom line about why Non-Jews aren't allowed to handle kosher
wine as in handling the wine after it has been opened or the pouring of kosher
wine by a non-Jew for a Jew-- it's HYGIENE!!! NON-JEWS ARE APPARENTLY VIEWED AS
BEING NON CLEAN!!
See how Jews really view you- the non-Jew? Now are the Jews and their Gentile
Dupes or Gentiles who knowingly have "accepted their thirty pieces of silver"
going to call me an anti-Semite or even a Nazi just because I quote what Jews
teach and show how they really view non-Jews?
As for the statements shown above in the newly added material: "Wine contacted
by an idolator at any stage of its preparation is the basis to prohibit its
consumption by a Jew... To make this easy for us who desire to be careful,
strict observance differentiates between kosher and non kosher wine. Kosher wine
has two categories. First is “not mevushal” which means it has not been cooked
or boiled. It is acceptable for a non Jew to handle the bottle as long as the
seal is intact. Once the seal is broken non Jews are prohibited access. The
second category is “mevushal.” The presumption is that wine boiled after
pressing is not associated with pagan use." AND "In Yiddishkeit there is a term
known as Yayin Nesekh {wine handled by a heathen}. Originally Yayin Nesekh meant
wine offered to idols. Today among the observant Jews it means wine handled by
non Jews."
Notice the terms heathen, pagan, idolator are used in reference to non-Jews?
Jewish teachings declare Christianity is pagan and idolatrous!
I.E.
Using the search link: http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/ which is Chabad
Lubavitch in Cyberspace and key words COMMUNISM CHRISTIANITY we get:
(The following was the fourth return using the above search criteria on
June 22, 2003 and is archived locally as: part_04 and as a JPG image
named: part_04.jpg)
part.04
And yet, they failed! Of the hundreds of millions `devotees' to all these faiths
and causes, only a tiny fraction are truly faithful to them. The overwhelming
majority are self-deluding hypocrites: they take from... (5K)
Excerpt: " Skeptic: Tell me this: if what you say is true, if, underneath it
all, the selfish animal we call ``man'' possesses a soul that is essentially and
inherently good, why have all attempts to uncover it failed so dismally?
Christianity, Islam, Communism, Humanism---so many religions and ideologies all
appeal to just such a ``higher ego.'' And yet, here we are, in 1993, back at
square one with our good old, tried and true, egoistic ego... Believer:
Secondly, they did succeed---to the extent that they do concur with the essence
of man and of creation.
Communism, despite its flaws and corruptions, has had a profound effect on our
sense of social justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it
perpetrated and justified, played a major role in introducing, to a largely
pagan world, the concepts (though much adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and
non- corporeal G-d and of a messianic end-goal to existence." <END>
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http://www.inner.org/gentiles/7noachide/7princip.htm
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+8wwBmHOve3l11e5zTwFq0DdDe2Dqxio5raGncotodDadhabn5BnGDtFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwmDFqmwcc/context.html#hit1
(Context link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: 8wwBmHO)
The Seven Principles of Faith and Divine Service for a Non-Jew
Just as each of the 613 commandments of the Torah given to the Jewish
people at Sinai possesses an inner dimension, so does each of the seven
Noachide laws possess an inner dimension. These are the seven
principles...
Excerpt: " When a non-Jew does possess a sense of affinity towards Jews,
he merits inspiration from the source of the soul of Israel. He becomes
motivated to be a good person in all of his relations to his fellow man
and to devote his life to the service of G-d. The rectification of the
non-Jewish world in general depends upon the inspiration and insight which
it receives from the Jewish people. In accordance with the principle of
clarification, as defined in Kabbalah, one can always deduce or extract a
spark of good from within the context of evil. The major non-Jewish
religion of Western culture believes in an individual Jew and worships him
as god. This is certainly a great transgression (of the fourth Noachide
commandment defined above). Nonetheless, from this evil we can deduce a
principle of good. The true rectification of the non-Jewish world will
come when it will recognize the Divinely ordained purpose of the Jewish
people to enlighten the world and bring about universal peace and
prosperity..."
http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/life.html
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+dwwBm3e3xt5ZyeODHwFq7GncotodDa51qraw5agrGo5BowDoBOanVnGcw5BoDttFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwmDFqmwcc/context.html#hit1
(Context link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: dwwBm3e)
CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life
The idea of everlasting life is rather appealing to most folks. A somewhat
primal yearning seemingly tugs at us to somehow reclaim that certain
something which Adam and Chava lost when they sunk their teeth into...
Excerpt: " And now a personal observation, if you please: If (indeed, IF:
hypothetical speculation with such an example is, at best, an exercise of
futility - the socio-historical situation speaks for itself in the
archives of Jewish history) the righteous Jews of the Second Temple period
had taught the Seven Laws of Noah to the non-Jews, there would never have
risen a religion such as Christianity. With the knowledge that (through
the observance of the Sheva Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be
attained as promised by Hashem to Noach, the resulting fabrication that
everlasting life could come only through belief and worship of a human
being would never have happened. Instead, as we have noted, the teaching
concerning the Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life,
had been forced into hiding by the vicious persecution of the Jews, and
the new covenant of Christianity was but a pagan attempt to replace the
eternal Covenant made by Hashem to Noach."
Xref:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/1c5b56edfa84d653?fwc=1
Subject: Capitalism, Communism, and Technology in Jewish Thought (In Their Own
Words Series) V DIGSIG _ R CF
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:32:52 -0600
Message-ID: <b1lc0uk95d39eqibk...@4ax.com>
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http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/rosh.html
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+iwwBmevlqge7GBhZqqFqLgrGo5BowDoBOaomdcwBGd15tFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwmDFqmwcc/context.html#hit1
(Context link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: iwwBmev)
Rosh Chavurah means "head of the fellowship" and is more commonly known as
"Fellowship Director." The Rosh Chavurah of CB"N of Fort Worth, Texas helps
guide local B'nei Noach along the Path of the Righteous...
Excerpt: "Terry started studying Judaism and Torah in January 1981. By 1986, he
had completely renounced Christianity and its idolatrous belief system."
http://www.fastlane.net/~bneinoah/june98view.html
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+7wwBme3h40Y3O3nqFqLgrGo5BowDoBOaomdcwBGd15tFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwmDFqmwcc/context.html#hit1
(Context link active July 10, 2003. Archived locally as: 7wwBme3)
CB"N - ViewPoint: June 1998
The following ViewPoint was intended to provoke thought and discussion.
10x1w.GIF Israel's Relationship with the Nations 10x1w.GIF Behold! it is a
nation that will dwell in solitude and not be reckoned among the...
Excerpt: "If the prophet Balaam sought to curse Israel and could not do it by
the Word of G-d and boldly made the prophetic pronouncement given to him by G-d
that Israel is a separate entity who cannot be reckoned or counted with the
other nations, then by what right or by what authority can the nations and
peoples who embrace Christianity or any other religion make the claim that
Israel is included in the status quo? The audacity of theologians to completely
ignore the Word of G-d in regards to His claim of a very special relationship
with Israel borders on madness. Those who make the grave error of placing Israel
into the same category and status as that of the pagan and idolatrous nations of
the world show no traces of awe or fear of the Living G-d." <END>
Also see:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/5f236d361634c200
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
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http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html
[ ... ]
... Wine, more than any other food or drink, represents the holiness
and separateness of the Jewish people.
It is used for the sanctification of Shabbat and Yom Tovand at Jewish
simchot. In the Beit Hamikdash wine was poured upon the Altar together
with the sacrifice. However, since wine was and still is used in many
forms of idolatrous worship, it has a unique status in Jewish Law,
which places extra restrictions on the making and handling of wine.
This includes wine used for non ceremonial purposes.
The production and handling of kosher wine must be done exclusively by
Jews. Wine, grape juice, and all products containing wine or grape
juice must remain solely in Jewish hands during the manufacturing
process and also after the seal of the bottle has been opened.
We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink
containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened.
[ ... ]
"Wine, grape juice, and all products containing wine or grape juice must remain
solely in Jewish hands during the manufacturing process and also after the seal
of the bottle has been opened. We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape
juice, or any drink containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a
non-Jew after the seal of the bottle has been opened."
http://www.okkosher.com/Content.asp?ID=116
(Link active July 3, 2003. Archived locally as: okkosher116)
(Same text mirrored at http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/judaism.htm
Titled: About Kashrus and Supervision (Wine), Kosher Living
and was archived locally as: jewtribe_wine)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also see more bigoted (against Non-Jews) teachings of Jews (in their own vile
words!!):
[In some of these archives you all will see some of my opposition failing at
defending the bigotry of Jews! Be on the watch!! Very entertaining!!]
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/2e8d8562e5104e3a?fwc=1
Subject: Even More on Wine - 'Separation' of Non-Jew From Jews in Making of
Wine! (Their Own Words!) ..
Date: 1998/02/05
Message-ID: <34da0721....@news.phoenix.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c4de4e0db861c097?fwc=1
Subject: In Their Own Words Jews Imply That Gentiles are Unclean or Defiled.
Read And Decide For Yourselves.
Date: 1998/01/26
Message-ID: <34cd15bb....@news.tavish.net>
These posts should really evoke some serious thought and expose double standards
of what is bigotry and what isn't! Notice some of the subject titles and
remember these are vintage archives so not all internal links may be active
today. The material is still relevant and similar web pages can be found using
an Advanced GOOGLE Web Search and using appropriate KEY words and this link:
http://www.google.com/advanced_search
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/fc1dea3cebcc4bdc?fwc=1
Subject: Try Interchanging Jew and Non-Jew with White and Non-White - What Do
You Get? Bigotry!
Date: 1998/02/12
Message-ID: <34e261e8....@news.phoenix.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/2be646b41b895fae?fwc=1
Subject: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their
Own Words Series] R CF
Message-ID: <2b6aftkkd8sob5uga...@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:34:44 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/718ae8dff0071709?fwc=1
Subject: #3 Kosher Wine -Trying as a nitwit to defend the indefensible is what
Ali is doing!
Date: 1998/02/12
Message-ID: <34e36c94....@news.smart1.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/61429f7ffc846ada?fwc=1
Subject: Jewish Racism & Bigotry is Rampant Among Their Websites. Only a Fool
Will Deny This in Light of all of the Evidence (was Re: Poor ol' gutless Scottie
flaunts his confusion)
Date: 1998/02/10
Message-ID: <34e0d74e...@news.phoenix.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/a31e56c2f58609a?fwc=1
Subject: Kosher Wine - Still Even More Incomprehension From Jews Who Deny Their
Bigotry Toward The Rest of Mankind! Isn't The Obvious Hypocrisy Amazing?
Date: 1998/02/10
Message-ID: <34dfa056....@news.phoenix.net>
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1.JEWISH PHYSIOLOGY The Gemara suggests that perhaps the Shichvas Zera
of a non-Jew might have different properties from that of a Jew, since
the non-Jews eat non-kosher foods and are physically affected by their
diet. This has important ramifications.
The CHASAM SOFER (Teshuvos YD 175) concludes that we cannot assume
that a medical treatment that was tested successfully on a non-Jew
will also be successful on a Jew. Therefore, if a Jewish woman always
saw blood as a result of Tashmish, we cannot determine that a
particular cure is reliable is reliable just because it was
experimented successfully on non-Jews.
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How many of you (Non-Jews) are still holding out that Jews still view
non-Jews as human beings. The material above almost looks like animal
experimentation to me!
How many of you totally clueless Jews still have yet to figure why the
majority of mankind has so thoroughly disliked you for thousands of
years?
Doc Tavish
BTW I have one more and this one is even funnier than the one above!
I give my word and have provided the link so you may verify that I
have not altered this post in any way except for my bracketed
comment. Here goes:
http://www.shamash.org/listarchives/mail-jewish/volume1/e-a/m.j902
"..... sterilize male animals. In any case there is no prohibition in
buying a vasectomized mouse owned by a non-Jew.
The problem of vasectomizing unclean animals comes up more
commonly when one wants to spay their cat or dog. A Jewish
veterinarian cannot sterilize a male animal and one cannot ask a
non-Jew to sterilize their dog or cat. One can buy a previously
sterilized male animal. In fact a question they asked Ben Zoma is if
one can damage the male generative organs of a dog and he replied that
even that is forbidden (Chaggigah 14b).
Another case of damaging the reproductive organs of male animals
is the sterilization of insects like fruit flies by radiation. These
sterile males are released into the infested area and mate with
females, competing with the normal male fruit flies. A case like this
is discussed in the halachic literature. It is prohibited to hold
someone in the snow until he becomes sterile, although one is not
whipped as a punishment for doing so.
[I love the way this guy compares human beings to fruit flies! It's a
riot and he is a "university scholar" too! Doc Tavish]
In this case the generative organs are not directly injured, but it
is nevertheless prohibited. In addition the taking of a sterilizing
drug is prohibited even though the sterilization is not done directly
by cutting or damaging any organs or even if the sterilization is not
the desired effect but a cure of a disease is.
The halachic discussions of this prohibition are found in the
Shulchan Aruch Even HaEzer 5:11-14 and in mitzvah 291 of Sefer Ha
Chinuch.
Daniel Schindler <LIDANIEL%WEIZMAN...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
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http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34e36f9f.172581109%40news.flash.net&rnum=35
Subject: Five Plain & Simple Questions - When Will They be Answered? (was Re:
Scott wonders what a real life would be like....)
Date: 1998/02/12
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Jerry Mathers wrote:
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WOW! Is that ever impressive. I guess you were right all along.
The Chief Instigator
>These posts (for the most part) date from 1999.
In that case, they don't need to be spammed across ten other newsgroups for
yet another round of your Nazispew, Fatbury.
--
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chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, San Antonio 3 (OT) (December 31)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, January 5 at San Antonio, 7:05
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Instigator <pat...@io.com> wrote:
>R. Scott Bradbury <Beaver_...@001-mayfield.net> writes:
>
>>These posts (for the most part) date from 1999.
>
>In that case, they don't need to be spammed across ten other newsgroups for
>yet another round of your Nazispew, Fatbury.
Get a job and get a life rather than wasting your empty life worrying about what
I do.
What I posted is as relevant today as it was in 1999. If you don't like it then
you are free to ignore my posts and especially me.
>--
> Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
> chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
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Bonus
What is the Jewish View of a Kingdom?
The truth of how Jews view the entire inhabited world will be made manifest in
this post. Below is a House Concurrent Resolution in which Jewish Charles
Schumer wants the United States Congress to recognize Jerusalem as the capital
of a Jewish kingdom. This document does not exclude gentiles per se but notice
that it only addresses worldwide Jewry.
"There are no English, French, German or American Jews, but only Jews living in
England, France, Germany or America." Chaim Weizmann, Zionist Leader, on August
29, 1897, at the First Zionist Congress at Basle, Switzerland.
(There will be those that complain that this "file" is from the 104th Congress
BUT that was when the "3000th Anniversary" took place. This should let all know
what Jewry is doing in our American Congress!)
FILE hc36.ih
104th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. CON. RES. 36
Concerning the 3000th anniversary of King David's establishment of
Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish kingdom.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
March 9, 1995
Mr. Schumer submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was
referred to the Committee on International Relations
CONCURRENT RESOLUTION
Concerning the 3000th anniversary of King David's establishment of
Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish kingdom.
Whereas 1996 is the trimillennial anniversary of King David's conquest
of the city of Jerusalem and establishment of the city as the capital of the
Jewish kingdom;
Whereas since this time Jerusalem has been the spiritual, cultural,
and historic focal point of Jewish devotion;
Whereas during this anniversary world jewry will celebrate,
commemorate, and sponsor educational activities about the holy city in
Jerusalem;
Whereas Jerusalem has been the capital of the State of Israel since
Israel's independence was declared in 1948;
Whereas from 1948 to 1967 Jerusalem was a divided city and Israeli
citizens of all faiths as well as Jewish citizens of all states were denied
access to holy sites in their historical and religious capital;
Whereas in 1967 Jerusalem was reunited during the conflict known as
the Six Day War;
Whereas in 1990 the United States Senate and House of Representatives
overwhelmingly adopted Senate Concurrent Resolution 106 and House Concurrent
Resolution 290 declaring that Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, `must remain an
undivided city';
Whereas in 1996 the Jerusalem 3000 celebrations begin as negotiations
on the future status of Jerusalem, as called for in the Declaration of
Principles signed by the Palestinians and Israelis on September 13, 1993, also
begin; and
Whereas Jerusalem is and will remain the eternal capital of the State
of Israel: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the House of Representatives (the
Senate concurring),
That the Congress--
(1) congratulates the residents of Jerusalem and the people of Israel
on the 3000th anniversary of King David's conquest of Jerusalem and its
subsequent establishment as the capital of the Jewish kingdom;
(2) strongly believes that Jerusalem must remain an undivided city and
the eternal capital of the State of Israel; and
(3) calls upon the President and the Secretary of State to issue an
unequivocal statement in support of paragraphs (1) and (2).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Modern State of Israel was founded on the Communist Model and upon spilled
blood:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/3d9a75bb20795c52?fwc=1
Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support V4-0 T_0728
Message-ID: <qfqie1pqg5595f1bb...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jul 2005 23:47:06 GMT
Gentiles do not have any stand in the Jewish Kingdom!
The Jews do not recognize the New Covenant nor do they acknowledge its
presenter, Jesus Christ. The Jews still adhere to the Old Covenant as presented
by Moses. Jews still view themselves as the "chosen people" and they still view
the Gentiles as lessers. To appreciate the Jewish view and how they view the
current physical and Earthly Jerusalem let's consider the following:
Acts 10: 28 (The Apostle Peter said) "You must know that it is not proper for a
Jew to associate with a Gentile or to have dealings with him. But God has made
it clear to me that no one shall call any man unclean or impure."
Deuteronomy 6: 10,11 "When the LORD, your God, brings you into the land which he
swore to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that he would give you, a land
with fine, large cities that you did not build, with house full of goods of all
sorts that you did not garner, with cisterns that you did not dig, with
vineyards and olive groves that you did not plant; and when, therefore you eat
your fill....
Isaiah 60: 9-12, 16 Isaiah 61:5,6,9 Isaiah 62:1 All the vessels of the sea are
assembled, with the ships of Tarshish in the lead, to bring your children from
afar [Diaspora?] with their silver and gold, in the name of the LORD, your God,
the Holy One of Israel, who has glorified you. Foreigners [Gentiles] shall
rebuild your walls, and their kings shall be your attendants: Though I struck
you in my wrath, yet in my good will I have shown you mercy. Your gates shall
stand open constantly; day and night they shall not be closed but shall admit to
you the wealth of the nations, and their kings, in the vanguard. For the people
or kingdom shall perish that does not serve you; those nations shall be utterly
destroyed. You shall suck the milk of nations, and be nursed at royal breasts...
Strangers shall stand ready to pasture your flocks, foreigners shall be your
farmers and vinedressers. You, yourselves, shall be named the priests of the
LORD, ministers of our God you shall be called. You shall eat the wealth of the
nations and boast of riches from them. All who see them shall acknowledge them
as a race the LORD has blessed. For Zion's sake I will not be silent, for
Jerusalem's sake I will not be quiet...."
[Our modern 21st Century Jews still believe the Old Covenant promises made to
them. You only need to look at how they "seized" Palestine in 1948. The Jews now
live in houses which they did not build, they've occupied cities which they did
not build and they eat the fruits of other's labor, as if all of it is owed to
them! This belief would also explain the Jewish leaning towards communism which
holds the same desires for its ruling elite.]
One Jewish group prophesying ALL non-Jews being to be slaves to Jews when the
"Jewish Messiah" Arrives":
Using the Chabad Lubavitch [Jewish] search link:
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
and Key words used: soul divine non-Jew Mashiach
(Return archived as: non_jew_servant and non_jew_servant.jpg)
EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS PASSAGE REAL CLOSE AND GET THE SENSE OF IT!!!
<start/quote>
Sincerity - I am Abraham s Servant
[A] Jew is a son of G-d whereas a non-Jew is intended to be a servant of G-d.
Although a Jew in essence is always a son, when he does not merit (to manifest
the essence of his Divine soul) ... (4K)
Excerpt: " With the advent of Mashiach, all non-Jews will willfully serve (the
Divine purpose of) the Jewish people. Here lies the essence of the clarification
in the mind of the non-Jew with regard to the identity of the true Mashiach. As
mentioned above, at present a very large percentage of the non-Jewish world
worships an individual Jew as god. The non-Jewish world must come to recognize
that all Jews are indeed sons of G-d. The non-Jew must strive to serve and help
G-d s children fulfill their purpose to bring redemption to the world. Then will
the true Mashiach reveal himself."
<end/quote>
Tavish comment: Notice the Hasidim teaching: "With the advent of Mashiach, all
non-Jews will willfully serve (the Divine purpose of) the Jewish people."
THOSE ARE THEIR WORDS AND NOT MINE!! What political ideology has the majority
of people serving an elite group? Answer: Communism! Here is the same group of
Jews demonizing Christianity yet finding no real fault with Communism:
From the same Jewish web site and using the search engine and using key words
CHRISTIAN IDOLATRY we get an apologia for communism and attack on Christianity
among other things:
part.04
(Archived locally as: part04 and part04.jpg)
And yet, they failed! Of the hundreds of millions `devotees' to all these
faiths and causes, only a tiny fraction are truly faithful to them. The
overwhelming majority are self-deluding hypocrites: they take from... (5K)
Excerpt: " Believer: Secondly, they did succeed---to the extent that they
do concur with the essence of man and of creation. Communism, despite its
flaws and corruptions, has had a profound effect on our sense of social
justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it perpetrated
and justified, played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan
world, the concepts (though much adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and
non-corporeal G-d and of a messianic end-goal to existence."
THUS THE JEWS VALUE COMMUNISM OVER CHRISTIANITY!! THEIR WORDS PEOPLE - NOT MINE!
To achieve this Jew World Order the Jews have to remove "their sub humans" from
their "Holy City" and this is how they seek to make Jeruslaem Arab free.
http://groups.google.com/group/israel.lists.il-talk/msg/85a5ca3b4729a6d2?fwc=1
(Archived localy as: JewsBulldoze)
Subject: Israeli agression against Palestinians continue
From: la...@NETVISION.NET.IL
Date: 1997/08/13
Message-ID: <Chameleon.9708...@dialup.netvision.net.il>
TEN HOMES DEMOLISHED IN JERUSALEM AND THE WEST
BANK
ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ESCALATES ASSAULT AGAINST
PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS
13 August 1997
LAW - The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and
the Environment
PO Box 20873
Jerusalem
Tel: (972) (2) 5812364/5824559
Fax: (972) (2) 5811072
email: la...@netvision.net.il
web address: http://www.birzeit.edu/lawe/
Today ten homes were demolished in Jerusalem and the West Bank, in a
stunning attack on Palestinian homes during the visit of US peace
envoy Dennis Ross. The homes were demolished for having no permit,
although both the Israeli military authorities of the West Bank and
the Jerusalem municipality only very rarely issue building permits to
Palestinian residents.
Therefore Palestinian residents must build illegally to alleviate
extreme overcrowding, particularly in refugee camps. Because they
cannot take advantage of the low mortgage rates or the low-interest
loans available to the Jewish settlements of the West bank and
Jerusalem,
["He [the Jew] should not press his fellow [Jew] for payment.. the foreigner
[Gentile] you may press for payment..." Deuteronomy 15: 2,3 "You must not make
your brother pay interest, interest on money, interest on food, interest on
anything on which one may claim interest. You may make a foreigner [Gentile] pay
interest but your brother [fellow Jew] you must not make pay interest."
Deuteronomy 23: 19,20 Tavish comment]
they must invest their life savings into their homes, adding to the
economic as well as human devastation caused by these
demolitions. These demolitions follow the construction of thousands
of new units in the Jewish-only settlements of Jerusalem and the
West Bank.
In Jerusalem:
Five homes were demolished in Shu'fat Refugee Camp. The homes of
Sobhi Ali Al Baya, Mazen al Mimi, Kamal Abdel Ghani al Mimi and
Ibrahim al Salayma were all in various stages of completion. The home
of Talal Hussein Arar housed 9 people, and was destroyed as well.
Two other homes were slated for demolition today in the camp, but were
postponed until their hearing on their applications for building
permits. One home belongs to Asma Adnan Hoshya, who lives in her
home with her 8 children. One of her children is very ill, and cannot
be moved. The other home belongs to Ahud al Bashiti. Both have
hearing dates for their building permit applications on 19 November.
In addition, the Jerusalem municipality decided to postpone the
demolition of the home of Omar Faqieh, as his nephew was injured in
the recent bombings in Jerusalem.
All 8 of these houses lie on the very edge of Shu'fat Refugee Camp,
which faces the Jewish settlement of Pisgat Zeev. This illegal
settlement, which houses 30,000 Jewish settlers, has recently enjoyed
a building boom onto the lands of neighboring Shu'fat and Anata
villages, and construction in this settlement is subsidized by the
Jerusalem municipality. The Shu'fat Refugee Camp is the sole refuge
for nearly 8000 Palestinian Jerusalemites and their children who were
expelled from their homes in 1948.
The comparison between this beautiful housing area and the refugee
camp reveals the appalling neglect resulting from the discriminatory
policies of the Israeli Jerusalem Municipality.In Anata, two homes
also were destroyed.
In the West Bank:
Two homes were destroyed in Furdeis village near Bethlehem, and one
home was demolished in Hussan village, near the settlement of Betar
Illit.
In the past week, the Israeli government demolished 32 Palestinian
homes. This large-scale attack on Palestinian homes comes in the wake
of the US government's demands on President Arafat to crack down
harder on his own people. These demolitions demonstrate once again
Israeli PM Netanyahu's total contempt for his Palestinian "partners",
for the American mediator, and for the negotiations as a whole.
_______________________________________________
_
LAW - The Palestinian Society for the
Protection of Human Rights and the Environment
is a non-governmental organization, dedicated to
preserving human rights through legal advocacy.
LAW is also an affiliate member of the Paris-based
International Federation for Human Rights.
_______________________________________________
Yes the little harmless Jews want to set themselves up a Jew World Order and
have it based on racial superiority!
Doc Tavish
Beaver Cleaver
Subject: Jewish Group Links Christians (Billy Graham, Willie Mays & Pope) to
Adolf Hitler [In Their Own Words] U_0102
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:24:10 GMT
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