I don't hate Jews, and I don't believe there were homicidal gas
chambers,
or that 6 million Jews were exterminated in "death camps". I believe
that about
1 million Jews or less died in the concentration camps, mainly from
typhus and other diseases. I don't believe the Germans made soap or
lampshades out of Jews, either.
If you like Jews, you should rejoice that there were fewer Jews killed
than you
had believed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VH6i2pqGWo&feature=related
In this clip David Cole, a Jew, explains how -- given that victors of
any war write history with no regard for truth or justice -- the false
propaganda of the Allies continues to this day. The commentary
includes part of an Allied film claiming homicidal gassings occured at
the Dachau concentration camp, and little-known admissions by a
British soldier that the last commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess,
was tortured to extract a confession.
>Many people here, including myself have asked the denier community if
>they were capable of naming just 1 person who denies the Holocaust
>that does NOT hate Jews. Not a list of 7,000, 400, 25 or even 2. Just
>1.
One person replied with David Cole and I add Israel Shahak and Benjamin Freedman
to the list and all three are Jews who don't tow the _Holocaust Line_.
Any gentile who just questions an aspect of what is called the Holocaust is
automatically labeled antisemitic so your point is moot.
>So, I would like to see if someone has come forward with just one
>person. It has not happened to this point, so I'm just checking in
>again to see if somebody, somehwere was found who fit that bill.
Three people have been named.
Now I ask you about another denier community and it is the community which
denies Jesus is the Christ. Aren't those deniers antichrists?
Jews, self hating Jews. Can you name anyone else?
I'm a gentile who's father helped liberate the camps and I also had a
scoutmaster who was in the Holocaust, who lost most of his family.
And yes, logic would dictate that Jesus Christ is "the Christ". Very
good!!!!!
Certainly there is. His name is Heinrik Von Putz.
Heinrik denies there was a Holocaust, not because he's anti-Semitic,
but because he's functionally illiterate and can't understand the
documents presented as proof.
Several times, he's tried to read the Nizkor website and gave up
because it gave him a headache.
You know, he's sort of like Kurt Knoll in that respect.
His Mother has a washing machine, but she does the wash by hand
because, after 12 years of trying, she still can't figure out how to
operate the damn machine.
http://www.olsoncomputers.com/midi/Alphabetical/o/oldjoeclark.mid
Your father was Russian?
and I also had a
> scoutmaster who was in the Holocaust, who lost most of his family.
You had an 80 year old scoutmaster?
>
> And yes, logic would dictate that Jesus Christ is "the Christ". Very
> good!!!!!
The same Jesus who's mother was a virgin and came back to life after
being killed?
Very good indeed!!!
>
> I'm a gentile who's father helped liberate the camps >>
He probably saw dead typhus victims:
Photo of the British guard post at the entrance to the liberated,
yet still contained Bergen-Belsen camp. 15,000 inmates died there
after
the camp was liberated.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/BergenBelsen/OldPhotos/TyphusSign.jpg
"5 MPH Dust spreads TYPHUS"
Sign put up by the British after Bergen-Belsen was liberated
The Bergen-Belsen concentration camp was voluntarily turned over to
the Allied 21st Army Group, a combined British-Canadian unit, on April
15, 1945 by Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, the man who was in
charge of all the camps. Bergen-Belsen was in the middle of the war
zone where British and German troops were fighting in the last days of
World War II and there was a danger that the typhus epidemic in the
camp would spread to the troops on both sides.
http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/VV/Views/Exhibit/narrative/typhus.html
--U.S. Typhus Commission, and RF Typhus Team
In 1942, as the Allied armies prepared to push into Europe from the
Mediterranean the following year, several groups of medical officers
and civilian advisors worked on ways to control or eliminate the
typhus fever that had already emerged in some parts of eastern Europe
and North Africa. Louse-borne typhus fever was a familiar by-product
of wartime troop and refugee movements, crowding in camps and prisons,
undernourishment, and lack of bathing and laundry facilities. Although
the causative microbe and its vector had been discovered, efficient
methods of preventing typhus fever had not. Methods of delousing were
still cumbersome, and would not prevent reinfestation. Fred Soper was
assigned to the U.S.A. Typhus Commission (USATC) to help develop an
efficient, direct chemical attack on the body louse, and thus contain
or prevent epidemic typhus.
Photo, "Danger of typhus carried by lice"
http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/VV/B/B/L/L/_/vvbbll_.jpg
NOTE: This image was cropped from a Life magazine article titled
"Typhus in Naples."
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/aftermath01.html
Typhus epidemic at Dachau
Prisoner reads prayers to two survivors in the infirmary barracks
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/SurvivorsPraying.jpg
After the Dachau concentration camp was liberated on April 29, 1945,
the former inmates had to be kept inside the prison enclosure for a
few more weeks until all danger of spreading the typhus epidemic in
the camp had passed. Just before the Americans arrived, up to 400
prisoners had been dying each day in the typhus epidemic which was out
of control, according to the testimony of the Chief Doctor of the camp
at the American Military Tribunal held at Dachau in November 1945.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/DachauTyphusWard.jpg
American doctors care for sick prisoners in the Dachau typhus ward
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/DachauDDT.jpg
Liberated Russian prisoner is deloused with DDT
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/TyphusTests.jpg
Before release, inmates had to undergo typhus tests by US Army
On 2 May 1945, the 116th Evacuation Hospital arrived at Dachau and set
up operations. According to a report made on 20 May 1945, there were
140 prisoners dying each day in the camp; the principle causes of
death were starvation, tuberculosis, typhus and dysentery. There were
4,000 prisoners in the prison hospital and an unknown number of sick
prisoners in the barracks who were receiving no medical attention.
There were 18 one-story wooden SS barrack buildings in the Dachau army
garrison which were converted into hospital wards. The medical
personnel were housed in the SS administration building. A Typhus
Commission arrived and began vaccinating all medical personnel and the
prisoners. There was a daily dusting of DDT to kill the lice which
spreads typhus.
On 3 May 1945, the sick prisoners were brought to the hospital wards.
They were bathed, dusted with DDT powder and given clean pajamas to
wear; their old prison clothes were burned.
By July 1945, the typhus epidemic in the Dachau concentration camp had
been brought under control by the US Army doctors, and all the
prisoners had either been released or moved to a Displaced Persons
camp at Landsberg. The photograph immediately above shows former
inmates being tested for typhus before being allowed to leave.
--------------------------
One of the peculiarities of typhus is the way in which it tends to
cause serious epidemics, flaring up suddenly and coinciding with the
previous occurrence of some serious public calamity. Populations in
the throes of war or famine fell victim to the disease, which caused
numerous deaths, sometimes as many as hundreds of thousands. Thus
originated certain expressive synonyms, such as «camp typhus», «famine
typhus», «jail typhus» by which the disease has sometimes been known.
As one author so truly says, the history of typhus is the history of
human misfortune.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1928/press.html
Mark Weber???????????? How dull are you? Weber isn't afraid to use the
term "the parasitic Jews".
>
> Mark Weber???????????? How dull are you? Weber isn't afraid to use the
> term "the parasitic Jews".
Well, geez, that means Churchill hated Jews, too:
Uncovered: Churchill's warnings about the 'Hebrew bloodsuckers'
Unpublished article from 1937 suggests 'aloof' Jews to blame for
antagonism towards them
By Paul Bignell
Sunday, 11 March 2007
Winston Churchill suggested Jewish people were "partly responsible
for
the antagonism" that saw them branded "Hebrew bloodsuckers",
according
to an article made public for the first time today.
The 1937 document, "How the Jews Can Combat Persecution", was
unearthed by Dr Richard Toye, a Cambridge University historian.
Written three years before Churchill became Prime Minister, the
article has apparently lain unnoticed in the Churchill archives at
Cambridge since the early months of the Second World War.
The article argues that "the wickedness of the persecutors" was not
the sole reason for the ill-treatment of Jews down the ages.
Churchill
criticised the "aloofness" of Jewish people from wider society and
urged them to make the effort to integrate themselves."
To paraphrase Mencken,
Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.
H. L. Mencken
Antisemite: A person who hates Jews as much as Jews hate one another.
---------------------
Following is a letter that was sent from Neturei Karta to His
Excellency Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah
Further, a delegation of our Rabbis were guests in your magnificent
country of Lebanon, and were hosted by your organization, the
Hezbollah. We were there to attend the Conference of the International
Union of Parliamentarians for the Defense of the Palestinian Cause.
The respect and graciousness that was extended to our group was beyond
exemplary. At that time, thanks to the Almighty, we had the
opportunity to see and experience at first hand, the fact that the
Arab and Muslim people despite their long-suffering at the hands of
Zionism have not fallen prey to the influences of evil.
We were confronted with love and friendship wherever we turned.
Concern for our comfort was the first priority of every individual,
wherever we traveled throughout Lebanon. Only then, after these good
people were assured of our well-being, were we shown the suffering
that they have incurred through the Zionist occupation. To our
surprise and to their praise, this was all shown to us, without any
accusations directed at our Rabbis or the Jewish nation.
The Muslim and Arab people obviously still remember that we don't have
a religious conflict and that we have co-existed in harmony for
hundreds of years. Many obviously understand the difference between
Zionism and Judaism.
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Statements/20080219_nasralla.cfm
The problem is that there were numerous camps during and after the war
n Europe, Japan and the US for people who were considered a risk. The
conditions in the Nazi camps were no better or worse than the
conditions in Eisenhower's German prisoner camps or the death camps
Stalin's Jews maintained in the former Soviet Union and Soviet
occupied Europe. People do terrible things to people and animals. The
zionazis hate Dr. Flinkelstein because he does not believe in using a
tragedy to exploit others as Nazi Israel does.
Logic dictates that those who condemn Nazi Germany must condemn Nazi
Israel as well.
Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
>
Not now, cunt.
SPAM snipped
--
Like Minded Mates
Reading from Mein Kampf
Snuggling by the fire
He shares his deepest thoughts
Holding him close
My Aryan warrior
A warm bath
Then the lights go out
Ben Cramer
Copyright ©2007 Ben Cramer
Sorry. I don't take advice from plants.
No, he did not.
[Churchill visits Berlin in the summer of 1932, staying at the Regina Hotel in
Munich. He is approached by Ernst 'Putzi' Hanfstaengl, a friend of Randolph
Churchill.]
The issue of German politics was raised almost immediately. Putzi offered to
introduce Winston to his idol. Nothing would be easier, he said; Hitler came to
the hotel every evening at five o'clock and would be delighted to meet so great
a British statesman. It was all arranged, and then Churchill disarranged it. He
asked Hanfstaingl: "Why is your chief so violent about the Jews? I can quite
understand being angry with Jews who have done wrong or who are against the
country, and I understand resisting them if they try to monopolise power in any
walk of life; but what is the sense of being against a man simply because of
his birth? How can any man help how he is born? Tell your boss for me that
anti-Semitism may be a good starter, but it is a bad stayer."
Putzi's face fell. The next day he solemnly informed Winston that the meeting
was off; Hitler had other plans. Since Churchill and his party remained at the
Regina for a full week with no further overtures, he concluded that his
disapproval of Nazi anti-Semitism had blacklisted him. So it had, but the story
has an interesting envoi. Hitler had told Hanfstaengl: "In any case, what part
does Churchill play? He is in the opposition and no one pays any attention to
him." Putzi shot back: "People said the same thing about you." (Manchester, 68)
Work Cited
Manchester, William. The Last Lion: Winston Spencer Churchill. Alone
1932-1940," Little, Brown & Company, Boston, Toronto, London: 1988
--
"Streicher commit suicide while in the Nuremberg Jail But you
people did hang him after that"
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Moron)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/
If those folks were deliberately subjected to starvation and exposure,
and die of typhus (for instance) because of it, then it is quite
accurate to point out that they were murdered by their jailers.
Here are some definitions of murder:
* kill intentionally and with premeditation
* unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being
* the unlawful and intentional killing of a human being by another
* Unlawful killing of another with intent to kill, or with wicked
recklessness to life.
With more than 90 TONS of foodstuffs stored within a few kilometers of
Bergen-Belsen, the old "Allied bombing cut off the food supply"
routine won't fly either, Leading Revisionist Liar snow.
Thanks for raising the issue.
> On Mar 31, 5:36 pm, "Chris C. Larson" <larsonchris...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I'm a gentile who's father helped liberate the camps >>
> He probably saw dead typhus victims:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/index.shtml
"That we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die of hunger should be
noted only marginally" -- Hans Frank, the Governor-General of the
"Generalgouvernement" (part of Nazi-occupied Poland), speaking about
the Jews under his jurisdiction, on 24 August 1942. Source: "Nazi
Conspiracy and Aggression", Vol. IV, page 900.
RJ.
(drivel given the snip)
"The Nazis offered a solution and I find it difficult to
blame them" -- Istvan Lippai justifies the mass murder of men,
women, and children by the Nazis. Source:
Message-ID: <1182396900....@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
RJ.
>On Mar 31, 4:14 pm, Craig Stevens <craig_stev...@no-reply-wanted.net>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:43:58 -0700 (PDT),
>> <7f7828df-d57e-4472-b835-015606b5b...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> "Chris C.
>>
>> Larson" <larsonchris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Many people here, including myself have asked the denier community if
>> >they were capable of naming just 1 person who denies the Holocaust
>> >that does NOT hate Jews. Not a list of 7,000, 400, 25 or even 2. Just
>> >1.
>>
>> One person replied with David Cole and I add Israel Shahak and Benjamin Freedman
>> to the list and all three are Jews who don't tow the _Holocaust Line_.
>>
>> Any gentile who just questions an aspect of what is called the Holocaust is
>> automatically labeled antisemitic so your point is moot.
>>
>> >So, I would like to see if someone has come forward with just one
>> >person. It has not happened to this point, so I'm just checking in
>> >again to see if somebody, somehwere was found who fit that bill.
>>
>> Three people have been named.
>>
>> Now I ask you about another denier community and it is the community which
>> denies Jesus is the Christ. Aren't those deniers antichrists?
>
>Jews, self hating Jews. Can you name anyone else?
You asked for just 1 person and three were named and you dismiss it all with the
cop out of "Jews, self hating Jews."
>I'm a gentile who's father helped liberate the camps and I also had a
>scoutmaster who was in the Holocaust, who lost most of his family.
I do think you're pulling my leg on that one. There "appear" to be two Scouting
organizations so if your scoutmaster was a Holocaust survivor that implies you
were under the membership of NJCOS (National Jewish Committee on Scouting) and
thus had your meetings in a synagogue. http://www.jewishscouting.org/ If you are
a gentile why didn't you belong to the regular Boy Scouts of America? You need
to see this also: http://www.jewishscouting.org/NJCOSMissionStatement.asp
"The mission of the National Jewish Committee on Scouting is to promote Boy
Scouting among Jewish youth, to help Jewish institutions and local council
Jewish committees to provide Scouting opportunities for Jewish youth, and to
promote Jewish values in Scouting through program helps and the religious
emblems program. If you would like to become involved in Jewish Scouting at the
national, regional, local council, or unit level, please send an email message
to: Chairman -AT- JewishScouting -DOT- org" You need also to look at the
"badge" on that page to see what it states. If you are a gentile then how can
you be part of the Jewish Community?
http://www.jewishscouting.org//images/njcs.jpg
The Jews even have different merit badges and awards as well as different days
which are special and observed. It's all there on their home page for you to
see. You should also see this web page http://www.kesherscouting.org/index2.php
"Run in cooperation with the Boy Scouts of America. Supported by the National
Jewish Committee on Scouting" and you see plenty of Jewish things but no goy
stuff. Even an Eagle Scout is different for a Jew.
http://www.jewishscouting.org/jewisheaglescoutkit.asp
http://www.jewishscouting.org/stuff/njcos_eagle_certificate.pdf
No gentle Eagle Scout will ever get and award such as given above.
If you are a gentile then how is it you are a part of the Jewish Community?
>And yes, logic would dictate that Jesus Christ is "the Christ". Very
>good!!!!!
You circumvented what I posted. What you posted is not a good reply to my "Now I
ask you about another denier community and it is the community which
denies Jesus is the Christ. Aren't those deniers antichrists?"
So I ask now are those who deny Jesus is the Christ antichrists or not? Are not
those who primarily make up the majority of the "anti-denier community" deniers
of Jesus being the Christ who came in the flesh? A simple Yes or No will do and
please no dancing around and side-stepping the simple question.
What follows was written by Jews to Jews at the time because it was Jews and no
one else who awaited the Christ or Messiah to come in the flesh.
"Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that
antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists. Who is
the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? These things
I write you about those who are trying to mislead you! For many deceivers have
gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the
flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does
not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to
him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
1 John 2:18,22,23 ; 2 John 7,10,11
Islam etc. was not established at the time so the above does not apply to them
seeing how they and no one else at the time had the prophesy made about a coming
Messiah or Christ.
The current day Jews claim they were systematically killed because of their
religion and their ethnicity but I say others were systematically killed because
of their religion and ethnicity as well which means of course Jews weren't the
only targets of Nazism Jews want the world to believe. Jehovah's Witnesses were
consigned to death because of their religion but if they denounced their beliefs
they were freed. Not all Jews were observant so that rules out that they were
killed based solely upon religion so that leaves ethnicity. There were others
the Nazis considered to be "sub-humans" who were also killed based upon their
ethnicity.
>On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
>"Chris C. Larson" <larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Mark Weber
>David Irving
>Dr. Frederick Toben
>Marc Lemire
>Paul Fromm
>Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
>David Cole
>Michael Collins Piper
>
>I guess we can also add Deborah Lipstadt to this list, after all, she
>doesn't buy these ridiculous soap stories.
>
>Also historian Walter Laqueur, doesn't buy into these crazy claims of
>soap either..
Jewish Barry Z Shein doubts human skin lampshades.
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Subject: Re: Human skins as lampshades
In-Reply-To: gt9...@brunel.ac.uk's message of Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:05:11 GMT
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From: gt9...@brunel.ac.uk (Ricardo D Joshua)
>I accept your correction. Of course, you knew what I meant. It was just one
>of those errors that occurs when typing.
>What I am saying is this- people, in general, have an affinity for the bizarre-
>what is more bizarre than "human skin lampshades"? There may have been an odd
>case where a psychopathic camp guard decided to make a wallet out of a dead
>prisoner, but the whole issue has been exaggerated to such an extent that it
>is made to be a Nazi policy.
Actually, on this one I will tend to agree with you. I doubt it was
any official Nazi policy to make lampshades out of human skin and so
forth and most likely the few cases where this happened were
considered fairly bizarre even by their compatriots.
<stop>
The fact that you claim to believe someone like Mark Weber, speaks
volumes about your gullibility. The reality is that you cannot name
one person who denies the Holocaust and does not hate Jews. Nor can
anyone else.
The fact that you claim to believe someone like Mark Weber, speaks
volumes about your gullibility.
Silly little toss. You believe that "god gave it to us" bullshit.