Human skins as lampshades
Achim Stoesser
human skin. My memory is rather vague in this point. I
_think_ I've seen it in a documentary, but I'm not sure.
Is there any quotable reference / information?
A revisionist I happen to know said (guess what?) it
was a fraud. Now I'd like to back up my claim with
some facts.
Thanks,
Achim
Chris Walker
>A revisionist I happen to know said (guess what?) it
>was a fraud. Now I'd like to back up my claim with
>some facts.
It is fine to look up sources of facts on this subject if you are
interested. However, realize that one of the tricks of the holocaust
revisionists is to demand omniscience of those whom they address by asking
questions which the layman can hardly answer well. To take the advice
of an Objectivist professor, tell them to look it up in a good library.
Its not your job to chase down every assertion made by those denying the
occurrence of a major historical event.
--
Chris Walker
cwa...@zycor.lgc.com
Danny Keren
# From what I've heard lampshades have been made out of
# human skin. My memory is rather vague in this point. I
# _think_ I've seen it in a documentary, but I'm not sure.
Your best source is the "Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe" in Munich.
I asked them about this, and they sent me stuff. I have yet to
get it translated. When doen, I'll post.
-Danny Keren.
Ricardo D Joshua
: From what I've heard lampshades have been made out of
: Thanks,
: Achim
Lampshades made from Human Hair, Soap processed from Human Skin, Carpets
weaved using Human Hair... what will come next- flaky-pastry pies with a
Human Meat filling...?
Ricky J.
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Danny Keren
# Lampshades made from Human Hair, Soap processed from Human Skin, Carpets
^^^^
No, human skin.
# weaved using Human Hair... what will come next- flaky-pastry pies with a
# Human Meat filling...?
What an idiotic posting, even for Joshua.
I guess someone could, in exactly the same manner, "prove" that no
atrocity ever happened. One can imagine fools like Joshua "proving"
that Jeffrey Dahmer never killed anyone: "heads in the refrigerator...
eating body parts of humans... what will come next <insert something
gruesome here>?".
Yes, "revisionist scholars" at their best.
# There are some Questions which
# need to be answered!
Here's one: can anyone familiar with the British education system
explain how can someone like Joshua make it into a university?
-Danny Keren.
Harry Katz
Ricardo D Joshua (gt9...@brunel.ac.uk) adds nothing
of substance to the discussion:
Lampshades made from Human Hair, Soap processed from
Human Skin, Carpets weaved using Human Hair... what
will come next- flaky-pastry pies with a Human Meat
filling...?
Is Mr. Joshua's mouth watering? Or, is that just some more
rabid foaming at the mouth?
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Note that Mr. Joshua cannot even pose the question, much less
arrive at the needed answer!
Harry Katz
Ricardo D Joshua
: -Danny Keren.
Danny,
I accept your correction. Of course, you knew what I meant. It was just one
of those errors that occurs when typing.
What I am saying is this- people, in general, have an affinity for the bizarre-
what is more bizarre than "human skin lampshades"? There may have been an odd
case where a psychopathic camp guard decided to make a wallet out of a dead
prisoner, but the whole issue has been exaggerated to such an extent that it
is made to be a Nazi policy. What will we hear of next- a "department for
skin lampshade production"? The whole concept of the bizarre keeps people
transfixed- the gullible layman is fascinated by such things. And he believes
them, even when the stories are over-exaggarated.
Similarly, one can come up with a stupid generalisation with regard to the
aforementioned Jeff Dahmer- he ate people, and came from Wisconsin. So did
Ed Gein. Thus, one can put forward the argument that Wisconsin is a state
of cannibals!
I notice that the "shrunken human head paperweight" myth has not yet reached
full prominence- maybe this will come before the mythologists unveil the
flaky-pastry (human) meat pie!
I got into University just the way you did, I suppose. Was this question
asked just because I don't fit in with your argument that revisionists are
uneducated?
I'm off to lunch now, to have (what I think is a) steak and kidney pie.
Bye,
Ricky J.
Harry Katz
Ricardo D Joshua (gt9...@brunel.ac.uk) writes:
What I am saying is this- people, in general, have an
affinity for the bizarre-...
It's certainly true that many people have a fascination for
the bizarre, but an "affinity?" Webster's defines affinity as:
"sympathy marked by community of interest." Certainly,
Mr. Joshua has shown an "affinity for the bizarre" in his
baseless support for the Nazis, but "people, in general,"
do not have such sympathies or communal interests.
...what is more bizarre than "human skin lampshades"?
That's an easy one to answer: Mr. Joshua's argument denying
the human skin lampshades will be much more bizarre!
There may have been an odd case where a psychopathic
camp guard decided to make a wallet out of a
dead prisoner,...
And the whole Nazi political system looked the other way while
this sick person carried out his vile desires, not only refusing
to punish him, but keeping him on as a guard over harmless and
unarmed and illegally detained civilians!
...but the whole issue has been exaggerated to such an
extent that it is made to be a Nazi policy.
The only person who exaggerates the issue to such a degree is Mr.
Joshua himself in this particular sentence! Of course, as far as
Mr. Joshua is concerned, the occassional "psychopathic camp
guard" who decides "to make a wallet out of a dead prisoner" is
perfectly acceptable, just as long as it is not an official Nazi
policy to make a wallets out of a dead prisoners!
What will we hear of next- a "department for skin
lampshade production"?
Did there have to be a "department for skin lampshade production"
established before Mr. Joshua finds this crime to be horrible enough
to condemn?
The whole concept of the bizarre keeps people transfixed-
the gullible layman is fascinated by such things. And he
believes them, even when the stories are over-exaggarated.
For the average "gullible layman" the occassional human skin wallet
is quite disgusting enough without the exaggeration that Mr. Joshua
himself injected into the issue!
Similarly, one can come up with a stupid generalisation
with regard to the aforementioned Jeff Dahmer- he ate people,
and came from Wisconsin. So did Ed Gein. Thus, one can put
forward the argument that Wisconsin is a state of cannibals!
Using Mr. Joshua's logic, the State of Wisconsin should not have
brought either Jeffry Dahmer or Ed Gein to trial until it could be
established that they had set up an industry to slaughter people
and sell the meat on the open market!
I notice that the "shrunken human head paperweight" myth
has not yet reached full prominence- maybe this will come
before the mythologists unveil the flaky-pastry (human)
meat pie!
Once more Mr. Joshua's mouth waters as he mentions his obsession
with "flaky-pastry (human) meat pie!"
I got into University just the way you did, I suppose. Was
this question asked just because I don't fit in with your
argument that revisionists are uneducated?
Of course not! It was mentioned in connection with statistics that
show the failure of public education to teach.
I'm off to lunch now, to have (what I think is a) steak
and kidney pie.
So far, this is the only fact that Mr. Joshua has ever posted
in this forum!
Harry Katz
Barry Shein
From: gt9...@brunel.ac.uk (Ricardo D Joshua)
>I accept your correction. Of course, you knew what I meant. It was just one
>of those errors that occurs when typing.
>What I am saying is this- people, in general, have an affinity for the bizarre-
>what is more bizarre than "human skin lampshades"? There may have been an odd
>case where a psychopathic camp guard decided to make a wallet out of a dead
>prisoner, but the whole issue has been exaggerated to such an extent that it
>is made to be a Nazi policy.
Actually, on this one I will tend to agree with you. I doubt it was
any official Nazi policy to make lampshades out of human skin and so
forth and most likely the few cases where this happened were
considered fairly bizarre even by their compatriots.
However, it is not far off from some things that were sanctioned and
were policy, such as Dr Mengele's bizarre and sadistic medical
experimentation on camp prisoners which included such oddities as
trying to sterlize prisoners with massive doses of X-rays to their
groins, dipping testicles into boiling water and corrosive liquids,
tying pregnant women's legs together as they went into labor to see
how long delivery could be delayed, etc. (See, for example, Eugen
Kogon, "The Theory and Practice of Hell".)
Unfortunately, Mengele's activities were not unique, and were known
about and reported. Dr Kremer writes in his diaries which survived of
similar strange (and unrelated) medical experimentation. Here are some
of Kremer's own remarks on these diary entries:
In my diary I mention in several places extracting fresh living human
material in order to conduct experiments on it. This happened in the
following way: For a long time I had been interested in changes in the
human organism as a result of hunger. In Auschwitz I taked this over
with Wirths, who told me that I could extract fresh living material for
these investigations from those prisoners who had been killed by
injections of phenol. In order to select subjects I went into the last
block on the right-hand side (block 28), where the prisoners who
reported sick were examined. During the course of these examinations
the prison doctors presented patients to the SS doctor and described
the illness the prisoner in question was suffering from. The SS doctor
then decided what the prospects were for this patient to recover,
whether he was already unfit for work, whether he should be sent to
the sick-bay or treated as an out-patient or else whether he should be
liquidated. People the SS doctor designated for the latter category
were taken away by the SS personnel on duty...I observed the prisoners
in this group carefully and whenever one of them particularly
interested me because of his advanced stage of starvation I ordered
the medical orderly to reserve him and to inform me when this patient
would be killed by injection.
At the appointed time the patients I had selected were led into the
same end block and taken to the room on the other side of the
corridor, opposite the room where they had originally been examined
and selected. The patient was laid down still alive on the dissection
table. I would go up to the table and ask the patient to give me some
details essential for my research. For example, for his weight before
his detention, how much weight he had lost since his detention,
whether he had taken any medication recently, etc. After I had been
given this information a medical orderly would come and kill the
patient with an injection in the heart area. To my knowledge all these
patients were killed with phenol injections. The patient died
immediately after being given such an injection. I myself never
administered fatal injections.
Dr Kremer at a hearing on 30 July 1947 in Cracow
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SO, although the human lampshade stories may not be very important in
the big picture (and thus, I'll note, even if they were UNTRUE it's
not very important), they do seem symbolic of something dark and
sinister that did indeed occur.
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Danny Keren
# There may have been an odd
# case where a psychopathic camp guard decided to make a wallet out of a
# dead prisoner, but the whole issue has been exaggerated to such an extent
# that it is made to be a Nazi policy.
Yes, things like that happened, and, indeed, they were odd cases. No one
ever claimed such things were Nazi policy. As far as I know, such
insanities were restricted to one camp (Buchenwald).
# I notice that the "shrunken human head paperweight" myth has not yet
# reached full prominence -
There were at least two Polish prisoners who were killed, and their
shrunken heads displayed in the camp. As far as I remember, they
were captured trying to escape, and this was done to deter other
prisoners from escaping (I am not sure about this, though). There
are pictures of these shrunken heads (I have a GIF file of one).
Moreover, they are shown in many films about the liberation of the
camps. In one of the books about the Nurnberg trials, the US
Prosecutor, Justice Jackson, is shown surveying this gruesome exhibit.
# maybe this will come before the mythologists
# unveil the flaky-pastry (human) meat pie!
Ha-ha, what a gasser.
# I'm off to lunch now, to have (what I think is a) steak and kidney pie.
Wow, this is really mature and funny. Ha-ha again. Almost as good as
Gannon's "JOKE".
-Danny Keren.
Achim Stoesser
Of course not, and I don't want to convince him (that's hopeless) but
the some 20 other people who were around. So if anyone has a source
for that ...
Achim
Achim Stoesser
In addition to this, the reason why I asked the original question was that
(while I dimly remember having seen such a lampshade in a documentary) the
revisionist I mentioned _denied_ that such a lampshade had been produced.
That's why Im' still looking for a reliabe source to prove this point (not
to him, as I said before, but to the other people who were present).
Achim