It makes us wonder "how it is possible that our 'parent' is the most rich being of the entire universe, means God - who owns everything that exists, yet the significant majority of people are happy from the upbringing that this 'parent' gave us"? On the other hand, noticeable proportion of people from human so-called "rich homes", typically display a deep grievance to their parents, for giving them insufficient preparation to challenges of the real life.
The "Ariadna thread" which led me to the discovery of methods which God uses to make the majority of people happy from the upbringing that they received from God, I encountered by a pure accident in Kuala Lumpur in August 2008. I waited then for my turn to a dentist and out of boredom I took to my hand one amongst these colourful magazines which typically are offered in dentists' waiting rooms. In this magazine I started to read rather an interesting article about the fate and about the upbringing of children from rich families. The article argued and documented logically that typically children of rich parents, which in the childhood receive everything that they wish in the best quality of it and without any effort or long waiting, grow up into consumption oriented egoists, socially handicap misfits, complainers, etc., which have then serious problems with living in a real society, which fast waste away the inherited fortune, and which not so rarely die as drug addicts or homeless beggars. Therefore, one amongst vital tasks of wealthy parents is the intentional introduction of goals to be accomplished, rewards and punishments, discipline, structure, role models, effort, duties, etc., to the life and upbringing of their children - so that these children acquire the desirable attributes of character which are automatically appearing in children of poor parents. I perfectly agreed with the author of that article, because in my life I knew in person several cases of children of rich parents whom "went into dogs". Of course, I treated this article as a temporary entertainment and even did NOT note its title nor editorial data.
Only some time after reading this article I realised that us - means all humans, are just like these children of rich parents. After all, our "parent", means God (see the web page "god.htm"), is very rich - he owns the entire universe. So if He wants He could "spoil" us as much as He likes, flooding us for free and without any effort with everything that we only could want to have. But then we would become socially handicapped misfits - like typical children of rich parents. Fortunately, because our parent, means God, is infinitively clever and predicting, He intentionally introduced to our lives various goals to be accomplished, rewards and punishments, effort, duties, etc. In this manner God shapes in us all desirable attributes of the character, so that we become perseverant seekers of truth, capable of putting effort and labour into whatever we try to accomplish, so that we do NOT give up in face of first obstacles that we encounter, etc., etc.
In order to efficiently shape our characters in a required manner, God created something that the philosophy of totalizm calls the "moral field (for details of what is this "moral field" - see the web page "totalizm.htm"). This "moral field" is equally invisible like gravitational field. But it still causes that accomplishing anything in the human lives that is moral, comes only with a great effort and with a significant contribution of our own labour - because it requires the climbing upwards in this invisible "moral field". Of course, "the cognitive knowledge and certainty of the existence of God is the most moral accomplishment of humans that anyone amongst us can only earn". Therefore the accomplishment of cognitive knowledge and certainty that God does exist requires from each one amongst us the contribution of a huge effort of climbing upwards in this "moral field". This in turn means that the evidence for the existence of God does NOT hit us in eyes just by itself - like it is done by advertisements from television or from streets. In order to notice and recognise the evidence for the God’s existence we must firstly work hard and earn it with our own labour of climbing uphill in this "moral field" - in spite that there is a wealth of this evidence present in practically every place into which we may look.
Actually, that there is such a thing as the "moral field", and that this field really works, people noticed a long time ago. For example, the action of this "moral field" is already described in a number of proverbs and sayings - e.g. consider the well-known proverb "no pain, no gain", or another version of it "no sweat, no sweet". These proverbs express the empirical finding of our ancestors that the so- called "moral field" really does exists and really does work, and therefore nothing that is moral and beneficial for people comes to us just by itself, but we must earn it with our heavy effort and labour.
Between us, the sole fact that there is and that works such a thing as this "moral field", is also a direct and a clear evidence for the existence of God. After all, without the intelligence of God, the stupid universe would NOT be able to develop such a situation that everything moral and beneficial for people requires the contribution of effort of climbing uphill in this moral field, while everything that is immoral and detrimental for people comes with an easiness of slipping down in this moral field. Thus, in order to gain the certainty of the existence of God just from the existence and action of this "moral field", it is enough to watch what happens to our contribution of labour during carrying out moral and immoral actions. (But it is worth to remember, that these "moral" and "immoral" actions must fulfil the totaliztic definition of "morality" - as e.g. religions define morality in a different way than the philosophy of totalizm does it.)
From the practical point of view it is quite vital to become aware how actually God causes that the evidence about His existence must be discovered and earned with our personal effort by each one amongst us separately through laborious climbing uphill in the "moral field" - and all this in spite that there is a huge body of this evidence available in practically every subject area. As it turns out God utilised for this purpose a whole array of various means and manners. The most important amongst these is the "continual maintaining of every person in the uncertainty of the God's existence". About why and how God Himself keeps intentionally all people in the uncertainty of His own existence, is already written comprehensively in items #F2 and #F3 of the totaliztic web page "evil.htm" (i.e. the web page about origins of evil on the Earth), in items #D1 and #D2 of the web page "ufo.htm" (i.e. the web page with replies to fundamental questions about UFOnauts and UFO vehicles - e.g. whether they do exist, how they function, etc.), and also in post number #157E to blogs of totalizm as well as on the thread http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/66... . I am NOT going to repeat here these descriptions. This web page I rather devote to make the reader aware, that because of this our uncertainty about the God's existence, and because of this our inborn lack of trust towards every claim concerning God, each one of us must contribute a huge amount of effort and work to be able to notice and to recognise the first evidence for the existence of God which he or she encounters, and to acquire the certainty that God really does exist.
At this point it is also worth to emphasize, that NOT all people must always put a huge effort in acknowledging the evidence for the existence of God, means in acquiring the cognitive certainty that God does exist. Reasons why it is so are most comprehensively explained in item #F5 of the totaliztic web page "evil.htm" (i.e. the web page about origins of evil on the Earth) and in item #D6 of the web page "ufo.htm" (i.e. the page with replies to fundamental questions about UFOnauts and UFO vehicles - e.g. whether they do exist, how they function, etc.). It turns out that these people who learned such evidence during one amongst their previous reincarnations, and who during that reincarnation acquired the certainty that God does exist, in the present life do NOT need to put again the effort into such learning. This is because in the present life they can just remind themselves these previous items of evidence and remind this previous certainty that God does exist. The reason is that the knowledge and certainty which we earned with heavy labour during one amongst our previous reincarnations remain to our disposal forever. So in the present life it is enough to just remind to ourselves this knowledge and certainty. Therefore for some readers it will suffice that e.g. they just read the web page "god_proof.htm", and whatever is contained in it will remind them their own knowledge and certainty, which they earned already a long time before, e.g. during one amongst their previous reincarnations.
A large number of items of scientific evidence for the existence of God is provided on the totaliztic web page "god_proof.htm". Of course, because of the action of the "moral field", and also because of the in- born scepticism of people towards all matters concerning God, this scientific evidence for the existence of God represents only kinds of "traffic signs" which indicate where exactly someone may accomplish most easily the certainty that God really does exist. But in order someone actually gained this certainty, he or she firstly must overcome a so-called "barrier of awareness" which requires a great contribution of personal effort and labour to be put into learning any truth that is very important for us. An illustrative example of the "evidence for the existence of God" is
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Before you can even begin to "prove" whether or no any God does or does not exist you must ascertain how you view God. If you view as all encompassing - and can be verified and proved by creation and evidenced in rain and wind and snowfall. Or if you view as some bod of the Old Testament who preferred Jews. Or if you view as a threefold God as in the Hindu writings - as the Creator, Preserver and Destroyer. Three separate people. Or maybe as a group of males and females as in the Gods of Olympus. Or maybe as a Godhead - or Collective Mind - a One huge intelligence made up of many individuals.
First you must define and ascertain the nature and definition of "God" in order to prove whether or no he/she/they/it exist. You cannot go by one bit of writing in one story in one Bible on Earth in order in order to locate any person or people who humans consider have some control over them and who are the reason for the existence of Earth. If you are talking of the Universe - have you considered if there is any other sentient life out there other than human? What of Earth and animals and insects - would they have the same as humans? How can humans know or recognize if they do find any supposed God - if they do not know who or what they are looking for? THE BORG
news:9399be35-c1df-48d2-b035-ab1d1aafa9cd@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com... It makes us wonder "how it is possible that our 'parent' is the most rich being of the entire universe, means God - who owns everything that exists, yet the significant majority of people are happy from the upbringing that this 'parent' gave us"? On the other hand, noticeable proportion of people from human so-called "rich homes", typically display a deep grievance to their parents, for giving them insufficient preparation to challenges of the real life.
The "Ariadna thread" which led me to the discovery of methods which God uses to make the majority of people happy from the upbringing that they received from God, I encountered by a pure accident in Kuala Lumpur in August 2008. I waited then for my turn to a dentist and out of boredom I took to my hand one amongst these colourful magazines which typically are offered in dentists' waiting rooms. In this magazine I started to read rather an interesting article about the fate and about the upbringing of children from rich families. The article argued and documented logically that typically children of rich parents, which in the childhood receive everything that they wish in the best quality of it and without any effort or long waiting, grow up into consumption oriented egoists, socially handicap misfits, complainers, etc., which have then serious problems with living in a real society, which fast waste away the inherited fortune, and which not so rarely die as drug addicts or homeless beggars. Therefore, one amongst vital tasks of wealthy parents is the intentional introduction of goals to be accomplished, rewards and punishments, discipline, structure, role models, effort, duties, etc., to the life and upbringing of their children - so that these children acquire the desirable attributes of character which are automatically appearing in children of poor parents. I perfectly agreed with the author of that article, because in my life I knew in person several cases of children of rich parents whom "went into dogs". Of course, I treated this article as a temporary entertainment and even did NOT note its title nor editorial data.
Only some time after reading this article I realised that us - means all humans, are just like these children of rich parents. After all, our "parent", means God (see the web page "god.htm"), is very rich - he owns the entire universe. So if He wants He could "spoil" us as much as He likes, flooding us for free and without any effort with everything that we only could want to have. But then we would become socially handicapped misfits - like typical children of rich parents. Fortunately, because our parent, means God, is infinitively clever and predicting, He intentionally introduced to our lives various goals to be accomplished, rewards and punishments, effort, duties, etc. In this manner God shapes in us all desirable attributes of the character, so that we become perseverant seekers of truth, capable of putting effort and labour into whatever we try to accomplish, so that we do NOT give up in face of first obstacles that we encounter, etc., etc.
In order to efficiently shape our characters in a required manner, God created something that the philosophy of totalizm calls the "moral field (for details of what is this "moral field" - see the web page "totalizm.htm"). This "moral field" is equally invisible like gravitational field. But it still causes that accomplishing anything in the human lives that is moral, comes only with a great effort and with a significant contribution of our own labour - because it requires the climbing upwards in this invisible "moral field". Of course, "the cognitive knowledge and certainty of the existence of God is the most moral accomplishment of humans that anyone amongst us can only earn". Therefore the accomplishment of cognitive knowledge and certainty that God does exist requires from each one amongst us the contribution of a huge effort of climbing upwards in this "moral field". This in turn means that the evidence for the existence of God does NOT hit us in eyes just by itself - like it is done by advertisements from television or from streets. In order to notice and recognise the evidence for the God’s existence we must firstly work hard and earn it with our own labour of climbing uphill in this "moral field" - in spite that there is a wealth of this evidence present in practically every place into which we may look.
Actually, that there is such a thing as the "moral field", and that this field really works, people noticed a long time ago. For example, the action of this "moral field" is already described in a number of proverbs and sayings - e.g. consider the well-known proverb "no pain, no gain", or another version of it "no sweat, no sweet". These proverbs express the empirical finding of our ancestors that the so- called "moral field" really does exists and really does work, and therefore nothing that is moral and beneficial for people comes to us just by itself, but we must earn it with our heavy effort and labour.
Between us, the sole fact that there is and that works such a thing as this "moral field", is also a direct and a clear evidence for the existence of God. After all, without the intelligence of God, the stupid universe would NOT be able to develop such a situation that everything moral and beneficial for people requires the contribution of effort of climbing uphill in this moral field, while everything that is immoral and detrimental for people comes with an easiness of slipping down in this moral field. Thus, in order to gain the certainty of the existence of God just from the existence and action of this "moral field", it is enough to watch what happens to our contribution of labour during carrying out moral and immoral actions. (But it is worth to remember, that these "moral" and "immoral" actions must fulfil the totaliztic definition of "morality" - as e.g. religions define morality in a different way than the philosophy of totalizm does it.)
From the practical point of view it is quite vital to become aware how actually God causes that the evidence about His existence must be discovered and earned with our personal effort by each one amongst us separately through laborious climbing uphill in the "moral field" - and all this in spite that there is a huge body of this evidence available in practically every subject area. As it turns out God utilised for this purpose a whole array of various means and manners. The most important amongst these is the "continual maintaining of every person in the uncertainty of the God's existence". About why and how God Himself keeps intentionally all people in the uncertainty of His own existence, is already written comprehensively in items #F2 and #F3 of the totaliztic web page "evil.htm" (i.e. the web page about origins of evil on the Earth), in items #D1 and #D2 of the web page "ufo.htm" (i.e. the web page with replies to fundamental questions about UFOnauts and UFO vehicles - e.g. whether they do exist, how they function, etc.), and also in post number #157E to blogs of totalizm as well as on the thread http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/66... . I am NOT going to repeat here these descriptions. This web page I rather devote to make the reader aware, that because of this our uncertainty about the God's existence, and because of this our inborn lack of trust towards every claim concerning God, each one of us must contribute a huge amount of effort and work to be able to notice and to recognise the first evidence for the existence of God which he or she encounters, and to acquire the certainty that God really does exist.
At this point it is also worth to emphasize, that NOT all people must always put a huge effort in acknowledging the evidence for the existence of God, means in acquiring the cognitive certainty that God does exist. Reasons why it is so are most comprehensively explained in item #F5 of the totaliztic web page "evil.htm" (i.e. the web page about origins of evil on the Earth) and in item #D6 of the web page "ufo.htm" (i.e. the page with replies to fundamental questions about UFOnauts and UFO vehicles - e.g. whether they do exist, how they function, etc.). It turns out that these people who learned such evidence during one amongst their previous reincarnations, and who during that reincarnation acquired the certainty that God does exist, in the present life do NOT need to put again the effort into such learning. This is because in the present life they can just remind themselves these previous
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> From the practical point of view it is quite vital to become aware how > actually God causes that the evidence about His existence must be > discovered and earned with our personal effort by each one amongst us > separately through laborious climbing uphill in the "moral field" - > and all this in spite that there is a huge body of this evidence > available in practically every subject area. As it turns out God > utilised for this purpose a whole array of various means and manners. > The most important amongst these is the "continual maintaining of > every person in the uncertainty of the God's existence".
What would constitute evidence of his existence if it as you say this evidence must be earned?
> At this point it is also worth to emphasize, that NOT all people must > always put a huge effort in acknowledging the evidence for the > existence of God, means in acquiring the cognitive certainty that God > does exist.
If we have cognitive certainty that God does exist how is it justified? In order to be certain it must be impossible for God not to exist but if we look at all parts of your argument it is likely that some of the premises will be inductive and probable and would not in that case make it impossible for God to not exist.
janpa...@gmail.com, on 28 Sep 2008, in alt.atheism, decided this was a worthy use of a keyboard:
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> Only some time after reading this article I realised that us - means > all humans, are just like these children of rich parents. After all, > our "parent", means God (see the web page "god.htm"), is very rich - > he owns the entire universe. So if He wants He could "spoil" us as > much as He likes, flooding us for free and without any effort with > everything that we only could want to have. But then we would become > socially handicapped misfits - like typical children of rich parents. > Fortunately, because our parent, means God, is infinitively clever and > predicting, He intentionally introduced to our lives various goals to > be accomplished, rewards and punishments, effort, duties, etc. In this > manner God shapes in us all desirable attributes of the character, so > that we become perseverant seekers of truth, capable of putting effort > and labour into whatever we try to accomplish, so that we do NOT give > up in face of first obstacles that we encounter, etc., etc.
Load of crap.
If he's God he can simply give us "all desirable attributes of the character" pre-installed, with no chance of us becoming spoiled brats.
If OTOH this world, in all its shittiness, is the best means he could come up with to turn us into what he wants us to be, then he is a moron beyond all reckoning.
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If you're supposed to be some type of Christian, btw, you're heretical. The jeezoids teach that this world cannot forge us into beings worthy of heaven, into which we can only be admitted by God's unearned grace.
Then there's the question of how many "desirable attributes of the character" have a chance to get instilled in the millions of humans who die in infancy. God: "So, little Aloysius, what did you learn in your six weeks on Earth?" Aloysius: "Hmmm. Sucking titties, good. Being in a burning house, not so good."
Then...well, you get the idea: you're a fucking dumbass. Odd how theism is such a reliable indicator for that problem...
-- J. B. Mashburn, the sad left tail of the bell curve alt.atheist #2295, http://questioner.www2.50megs.com/list1.html EAC Chief Of Maintenance for God's cloaking device - 14 billion years and not one glitch! "What a day, when you can look it in the face and hold your vomit." - Faith No More
THE BORG, on 28 Sep 2008, in alt.atheism, decided this was a worthy use of a keyboard:
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> You cannot go by one bit of writing in one story in one Bible on Earth > in order in order to locate any person or people who humans consider > have some control over them and who are the reason for the existence of > Earth.
Sure you can. Go by this post.
The universe exists so that I might be miserable and angry. You are scenery in this play starring me.
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-- J. B. Mashburn, the sad left tail of the bell curve alt.atheist #2295, http://questioner.www2.50megs.com/list1.html EAC Chief Of Maintenance for God's cloaking device - 14 billion years and not one glitch! "What a day, when you can look it in the face and hold your vomit." - Faith No More
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:03:09 -0700 (PDT), janpa...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip an amazing amount of twaddle ]
So to summarize, Sparky, you want people to look for a god of the gaps. I'm so glad we were able to clear THAT up.
Your homework for today is to produce a sound philosophical justification for a god of the gaps. Take your time and do a thorough job. Use both sides of the page if needed.
On Sep 28, 5:27 pm, "THE BORG" <theb...@homesweethome.com> wrote:
> Before you can even begin to "prove" whether or no any God does or does not > exist you must ascertain how you view God. > If you view as all encompassing - and can be verified and proved by creation > and evidenced in rain and wind and snowfall. > Or if you view as some bod of the Old Testament who preferred Jews. > Or if you view as a threefold God as in the Hindu writings - as the Creator, > Preserver and Destroyer. Three separate people. > Or maybe as a group of males and females as in the Gods of Olympus. > Or maybe as a Godhead - or Collective Mind - a One huge intelligence made up > of many individuals.
> First you must define and ascertain the nature and definition of "God" in > order to prove whether or no he/she/they/it exist.
... YES, this is exactly what I have done. You can read the scientific definition of God, provided by the "theory of everything" called the "Concept of Dipolar Gravity", on the web page http://jan-pajak.com/god.htm (in turn the Concept of Dipolar Gravity, which provided this scientific definition of God, is explained briefly on the web page http://jan-pajak.com/dipolar_gravity.htm - where you can also download a free copy of the monograph that describes this "theory of everything"). Note that if you summarise briefly this definition, then God turns out to be a huge natural program that self-evolved in the liquid computer called "counter-matter" (from this "liquid computer actually is made everything that exists in the entire universe). In turn description how God self-evolved in this natural liquid computer called "counter-matter" is described in "part #C" of the web page "god_proof.htm" to which links are provided at the begining of this thread - i.e. in my original post.
