If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions, our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people believe in God. Also such an opinion prevails amongst a majority of people, who are convinced that in present times individuals who believe in God are a real rarity. However, the reality is an exact reversal of what is claimed by religious institutions. In fact, if someone seeks carefully around, then only with a great difficulty can find a true atheist. Practically, almost 100% of people, at the bottom of their heart believe in the existence of some superior being with attributes of God. The only thing which differs from person to person is the depth of their belief, and the name and definition of God in which they believe. This fact of the common belief in God is confirmed by all research done in this matter. One amongst such research was reported in the article "More than nine out of 10 believe in God", from page B2 of New Zealand newspaper from Christchurch named "The Press" (they do have a web page " www.press.co.nz "), in the issue of that newspaper dated on Wednesday, June 25, 2008. This article informed about results of such research carried out in the USA. But it is well known that presently the USA belongs to one amongst the most atheistic countries of our planet, in the majority of schools of which teaching religion is forbidden. Thus, in other countries probably even a larger proportion of people believe in God. Similar results are yield from research on human psychology. This research always stresses that people have from the birth a natural inclination to believe in the God's existence. Even many murderers and sadists admit that they committed their crimes because "God ordered them to do so". So in reality the claims of religious institutions and beliefs of the majority of us, that the Earth is full of atheists, turns out to be a myth and an untruth. In fact the Earth is packed with people who believe in God's existence. Only that these believers are intentionally kept in the uncertainty about the God's existence. Furthermore, a significant proportion of present people is highly sceptical in relation to naive and full of errors explanations of God disseminated by present religions paralysed by their own age and sclerosis. Therefore the belief of these people in the religious explanations of God in many cases is too shallow to be able to force them to pedantically do whatever their religion asks them to do.
Unfortunately, if we look on the humanity from the prospective of God, then it turns out that the situation when all people deeply believe in God is NOT at all in the interest of this God. This is because God created humans so that people continually increased their knowledge, searched for truth, created, developed, overcame obstacle, did not give up, etc. On the other hand, people who deeply believe in God typically cease to seek knowledge and truth. Also they cease their stubborn fight with obstructions of fate and in everything they begin to give up. From thinking seekers of truth and from creative inventors, such people deeply believing in God usually transform themselves into thoughtless pleasers and worshippers of God, who spend time on infinitive repetition of the same prayers. For example, as this is described in item #A2 of the web page "will.htm" (about the influence of "free will" of people on fate of the entire human civilisation), people who deeply believe in God cease to seek and to increase their knowledge, as they have a ready answer to everything that "God created it". They do NOT try to establish how God created everything, how this creation works, why God did this instead of doing something else, nor what God really is - because they are afraid to "offend God" or to commit a "blasphemy". They cease to do scientific research because "if God wants that we know this, He would reveal this to us". They do NOT improve their characters because "how God created me He must want me to be". They do NOT fight with illnesses, accidents, nor inconveniences, because "God appears to want me to suffer". They cease to create new inventions because they wait until "God gives these to them". They cease to fight against bad fortunes because "God appears to wish that it is so". Etc., etc. In the result, a deep belief in God has a conservationist and destructive consequences. It freezes the progress of creativity, knowledge, technology, and faith. Thus, a society which is full of people that deeply believe in God, freezes in its intellectual and technical development, and thus also in its spiritual and religious development. If since the beginning of time the world was full of people who deeply believe in God, then we would live in caves until today, we would NOT know fire, and instead of the only and intelligent God we would worship e.g. thoughtless lightning flashes and thunders. As we can realise, such a freezing of progress of knowledge and development of people is NOT in interests of God. God does NOT want that people behave in such a manner. After all, according to explanations from item #B3 of the web page "will.htm" (about the influence of "free will" of people on fate of the entire human civilisation), and also item #C1 of the web page "god.htm" (about secular and scientific understanding of God), God created man in order people mastered the skill of stubborn searching for knowledge and truth, thus becoming an active instrument in the evolution of the universe and helping God in increasing His own knowledge. From the God's point of view it is immensely vital that people seek knowledge and truth, are creative, continually improve themselves and their knowledge, display determination and stubbornness in implementing their intentions, etc., etc. So God has no choice but to find a way how to force people to seek knowledge and truth, and how to motivate us to put into these searches everything that we are capable of.
Fortunately, NOT without effects God is infinitively more intelligent than people. Therefore He found a perfect solution to the problem of freezing of progress, knowledge, and technology by people who deeply believe in God. Namely, "God continually keeps all people in the lack of certainty 'whether God exists at all' ". In turn, to keep us uncertain about His existence, it is this God Himself who, amongst others, spreads atheism amongst people, who actively supports everything that noisily denies His existence, and who quietly blocks from noticing everything that confirms His existence. In the result of such moves, and numerous other similar steps described in the next part of this post, God intentionally "confuses" people in the matter of His own existence. This confusion decreasing peoples' belief to such a low level, that "just in case" many of them begin to act as if God does NOT exist at all. These people begin actively and on their own risk seek the truth. They stubbornly fight with obstacles of fate. They create inventions and make discoveries. Etc., etc. In this manner, through continuous maintaining people in the uncertainty about the existence of Himself, God actually stimulates the search for knowledge and truth, scientific research, efforts, striving, progress, etc. So with people God acts similarly like people do this with a donkey - namely "in order to force a donkey to go forward, people intentionally pull it backward". This continuous maintaining people in uncertainty about the existence of God, allows also God to earn a whole range of other benefits. For example, it allows Him to subject individual people and the entire our civilisation to continuous tests and exams, thus allowing Him to distinguish between valuable people - which are worth to inspire and to protect, and a human trash - which can be donated to fate as examples that are to teach others.
Of course, God does NOT destroy all evidence for His own existence. Several well-hidden items of such evidence God leaves on the Earth for those more stubborn seekers of truth. The philosophy of totalizm already managed to discover and identify some amongst these hidden items of evidence, and now disseminates these on various web pages - e.g. see the web page "god_proof.htm" (about scientific evidence for the existence of God). After all, if someone gets really stubborn, then God always allows him or her to earn the certainty about the God's existence. Only that He makes them to earn this certainty through their own effort and after many sacrifices. This is why, in spite that officially and loudly God allows His "simulations" to block the access to publications of totalizm, that He openly helps critics who throw mud on totalizm, and that He visibly promotes everything that discourages people from reading publications of totalizm, quietly God always opens the access to these publications and web pages for stubborn seekers of truth - about whom He decided that they deserve to get to know totalizm. This is why, if you (the reader) is NOT reading these words just with the intention that this allows you to throw mud on totalizm later, the sole fact that you come to read these words and descriptions, is a proof that you belong to these few seekers of truth whom God considers sufficiently mature and worthy to give them chances for thinking-over the matters that are described here.
As it is explained above, in very vital interest of God lies maintaining people in continuous uncertainty about the existence of God. So in order to keep people continually in this uncertainty, God developed and perpetually uses a whole range of various manners, ways, methods, tricks, etc. For example, God causes that after the birth, memories of our previous incarnations are blocked. Only very stubborn seekers of truth can later unblock these memories with the use of hypnosis. But even then their scepticism still forms barriers against recognising these memories for what they really are. God also so designed
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> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions, > our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people > believe in God. Also such an opinion prevails amongst a majority of > people, who are convinced that in present times individuals who > believe in God are a real rarity. However, the reality is an exact > reversal of what is claimed by religious institutions. In fact, if > someone seeks carefully around, then only with a great difficulty can > find a true atheist. Practically, almost 100% of people, at the bottom > of their heart believe in the existence of some superior being with > attributes of God. The only thing which differs from person to person > is the depth of their belief, and the name and definition of God in > which they believe. This fact of the common belief in God is confirmed > by all research done in this matter. One amongst such research was > reported in the article "More than nine out of 10 believe in God", > from page B2 of New Zealand newspaper from Christchurch named "The > Press" (they do have a web page "www.press.co.nz"), in the issue of > that newspaper dated on Wednesday, June 25, 2008. This article > informed about results of such research carried out in the USA. But it > is well known that presently the USA belongs to one amongst the most > atheistic countries of our planet, in the majority of schools of which > teaching religion is forbidden. Thus, in other countries probably even > a larger proportion of people believe in God. Similar results are > yield from research on human psychology. This research always stresses > that people have from the birth a natural inclination to believe in > the God's existence. Even many murderers and sadists admit that they > committed their crimes because "God ordered them to do so". So in > reality the claims of religious institutions and beliefs of the > majority of us, that the Earth is full of atheists, turns out to be a > myth and an untruth. In fact the Earth is packed with people who > believe in God's existence. Only that these believers are > intentionally kept in the uncertainty about the God's existence. > Furthermore, a significant proportion of present people is highly > sceptical in relation to naive and full of errors explanations of God > disseminated by present religions paralysed by their own age and > sclerosis. Therefore the belief of these people in the religious > explanations of God in many cases is too shallow to be able to force > them to pedantically do whatever their religion asks them to do.
> Unfortunately, if we look on the humanity from the prospective of God, > then it turns out that the situation when all people deeply believe in > God is NOT at all in the interest of this God. This is because God > created humans so that people continually increased their knowledge, > searched for truth, created, developed, overcame obstacle, did not > give up, etc. On the other hand, people who deeply believe in God > typically cease to seek knowledge and truth. Also they cease their > stubborn fight with obstructions of fate and in everything they begin > to give up. From thinking seekers of truth and from creative > inventors, such people deeply believing in God usually transform > themselves into thoughtless pleasers and worshippers of God, who spend > time on infinitive repetition of the same prayers. For example, as > this is described in item #A2 of the web page "will.htm" (about the > influence of "free will" of people on fate of the entire human > civilisation), people who deeply believe in God cease to seek and to > increase their knowledge, as they have a ready answer to everything > that "God created it". They do NOT try to establish how God created > everything, how this creation works, why God did this instead of doing > something else, nor what God really is - because they are afraid to > "offend God" or to commit a "blasphemy". They cease to do scientific > research because "if God wants that we know this, He would reveal this > to us". They do NOT improve their characters because "how God created > me He must want me to be". They do NOT fight with illnesses, > accidents, nor inconveniences, because "God appears to want me to > suffer". They cease to create new inventions because they wait until > "God gives these to them". They cease to fight against bad fortunes > because "God appears to wish that it is so". Etc., etc. In the result, > a deep belief in God has a conservationist and destructive > consequences. It freezes the progress of creativity, knowledge, > technology, and faith. Thus, a society which is full of people that > deeply believe in God, freezes in its intellectual and technical > development, and thus also in its spiritual and religious development. > If since the beginning of time the world was full of people who deeply > believe in God, then we would live in caves until today, we would NOT > know fire, and instead of the only and intelligent God we would > worship e.g. thoughtless lightning flashes and thunders. As we can > realise, such a freezing of progress of knowledge and development of > people is NOT in interests of God. God does NOT want that people > behave in such a manner. After all, according to explanations from > item #B3 of the web page "will.htm" (about the influence of "free > will" of people on fate of the entire human civilisation), and also > item #C1 of the web page "god.htm" (about secular and scientific > understanding of God), God created man in order people mastered the > skill of stubborn searching for knowledge and truth, thus becoming an > active instrument in the evolution of the universe and helping God in > increasing His own knowledge. From the God's point of view it is > immensely vital that people seek knowledge and truth, are creative, > continually improve themselves and their knowledge, display > determination and stubbornness in implementing their intentions, etc., > etc. So God has no choice but to find a way how to force people to > seek knowledge and truth, and how to motivate us to put into these > searches everything that we are capable of.
> Fortunately, NOT without effects God is infinitively more intelligent > than people. Therefore He found a perfect solution to the problem of > freezing of progress, knowledge, and technology by people who deeply > believe in God. Namely, "God continually keeps all people in the lack > of certainty 'whether God exists at all' ". In turn, to keep us > uncertain about His existence, it is this God Himself who, amongst > others, spreads atheism amongst people, who actively supports > everything that noisily denies His existence, and who quietly blocks > from noticing everything that confirms His existence. In the result of > such moves, and numerous other similar steps described in the next > part of this post, God intentionally "confuses" people in the matter > of His own existence. This confusion decreasing peoples' belief to > such a low level, that "just in case" many of them begin to act as if > God does NOT exist at all. These people begin actively and on their > own risk seek the truth. They stubbornly fight with obstacles of fate. > They create inventions and make discoveries. Etc., etc. In this > manner, through continuous maintaining people in the uncertainty about > the existence of Himself, God actually stimulates the search for > knowledge and truth, scientific research, efforts, striving, progress, > etc. So with people God acts similarly like people do this with a > donkey - namely "in order to force a donkey to go forward, people > intentionally pull it backward". This continuous maintaining people in > uncertainty about the existence of God, allows also God to earn a > whole range of other benefits. For example, it allows Him to subject > individual people and the entire our civilisation to continuous tests > and exams, thus allowing Him to distinguish between valuable people - > which are worth to inspire and to protect, and a human trash - which > can be donated to fate as examples that are to teach others.
> Of course, God does NOT destroy all evidence for His own existence. > Several well-hidden items of such evidence God leaves on the Earth for > those more stubborn seekers of truth. The philosophy of totalizm > already managed to discover and identify some amongst these hidden > items of evidence, and now disseminates these on various web pages - > e.g. see the web page "god_proof.htm" (about scientific evidence for > the existence of God). After all, if someone gets really stubborn, > then God always allows him or her to earn the certainty about the > God's existence. Only that He makes them to earn this certainty > through their own effort and after many sacrifices. This is why, in > spite that officially and loudly God allows His "simulations" to block > the access to publications of totalizm, that He openly helps critics > who throw mud on totalizm, and that He visibly promotes everything > that discourages people from reading publications of totalizm, quietly > God always opens the access to these publications and web pages for > stubborn seekers of truth - about whom He decided that they deserve to > get to know totalizm. This is why, if you (the reader) is NOT reading > these words just with the intention that this allows you to throw mud > on totalizm later, the sole fact that you come to read these words and > descriptions, is a proof that you belong to these few seekers of truth > whom God considers sufficiently mature and worthy to give them chances > for thinking-over the matters that are described here.
> As it is explained above, in very vital interest of God lies > maintaining people in continuous uncertainty about the existence of > God. So in order to keep people continually in this uncertainty, God > developed and perpetually uses a whole range of various manners, ways, > methods,
OK, so what the above proves and how it relates to the fact that God intentionally keeps humens uncertain about the existence of God? With the totaliztic salute, Jan Pajak
> OK, so what the above proves and how it relates to the fact that God > intentionally keeps humens uncertain about the existence of God? > With the totaliztic salute, Jan Pajak
> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions, > our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people > believe in God.
<snip remainder of lies>
> With the totaliztic salute, > Jan Pajak
This is, on its face, a completely fabricated story to explain why a non-existent god would hide himself from people. I would say it is arrogant to claim to know the mind of god, but their ain't one, so it's only stupid.
And this "totaliztic salute" is only to be rediculed. It's like a marketing campaign from a small town used car dealership.
"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
-- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else pours dirt in their holes.
> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions, > our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people > believe in God.
I do not know any religious institution that claims so
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> Also such an opinion prevails amongst a majority of > people, who are convinced that in present times individuals who > believe in God are a real rarity.
I am sure only a small foolish minority thinks so.
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> Practically, almost 100% of people, at the bottom > of their heart believe in the existence of some superior being with > attributes of God.
Probably not more than 90%
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> But it > is well known that presently the USA belongs to one amongst the most > atheistic countries of our planet
In the USA 80% believes in a God. The most atheistic country in the world is Czechia
But your main thesis is correct. If their is a god, that god does not seem to want the people to know about him.
Let's please that god:-)
Love.
Peter van Velzen September 2008 Amstelveen The Netherlands
> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions, > our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people > believe in God.
I do not know where you live, but almost the reverse is true in most of the world. Athiests are not rare, but they compose only a minority. In Canada, they are outnumbered by just the catholics (no data for other countries).
As to the answer to your question, there is none so blind as those who will not see. The cosmologists claim that there may be an infinite number of universes, so the fact that this one happens to be exactly constructed to allow for our existence is evidence of nothing. Faced with the inability to eliminate The Creator, they replace him with an infinite number of monkeys. As each of the proposed infinite other universes are outside our own, cosmologists are able to explain away their lack of evidence with an inability to observe outside our own universe.
rlbell wrote: > On Sep 12, 11:29 pm, janpa...@gmail.com wrote: >> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions, >> our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people >> believe in God.
> I do not know where you live,
Nor what planet he's on.
but almost the reverse is true in most
> of the world. Athiests are not rare, but they compose only a > minority. In Canada, they are outnumbered by just the catholics (no > data for other countries).
> As to the answer to your question, there is none so blind as those who > will not see. The cosmologists claim that there may be an infinite > number of universes, so the fact that this one happens to be exactly > constructed to allow for our existence is evidence of nothing.
The hole is not made to fit the puddle, moron. The universe was here long before life of any kind, so our existence fits the universe, not the other way round. A different universe would have produced different forms of life that fitted its parameters. Unless you claim that a different shaped hole will not fit the puddle.
> Faced > with the inability to eliminate The Creator,
There's no need to eliminate that which is neither neccessary nor in evidence.
> they replace him with an > infinite number of monkeys.
On Sep 14, 2:57 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
> > >Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
> > Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
> And yet, you cannot actually produce this evidence. > Fancy that.
> PDW
Surly youself, but only "perhaps" also he, are both unable to present the scientific evidence for the existence of God. But I can indicate such evidence. Actually, I managed to write an entire web page filled up with scientific evidence for the existence of God. (Some examples from this huge body of evidence I already discussed on the thread http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/0b859... .) My web page also contains the "formal scientific proof for the existence of God completed with methods of mathematical logic" - for the summary of this formal proof see the thread http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/browse_thread/thread/3511120... . The page with all this huge body of evidence is named "god_proof.htm" and you can view it at any web page of "totalizm", e.g. on the web page http://jan-pajak.com/god_proof.htm (to find other addresses of that web page you need to run google.com and then type the key words "Jan Pajak god_proof.htm" - but without quotes). So please do NOT claim that there is NO evidence for the existence of God, but just admit, that you are trying to play "donkey" from the famous English proverb "you can bring a donkey to water, but you cannot make it drink".
>> > >"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
>> > >Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
>> > Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
>> And yet, you cannot actually produce this evidence. >> Fancy that.
>> PDW
>Surly youself, but only "perhaps" also he, are both unable to present >the scientific evidence for the existence of God. But I can indicate >such evidence. Actually, I managed to write an entire web page filled >up with scientific evidence for the existence of God. (Some examples >from this huge body of evidence I already discussed on the thread >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/0b859...
What a fucking moron.
>.) My web page also contains the "formal scientific proof for the >existence of God completed with methods of mathematical logic" - for >the summary of this formal proof see the thread >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/browse_thread/thread/3511120... >. The page with all this huge body of evidence is named >"god_proof.htm" and you can view it at any web page of "totalizm", >e.g. on the web page http://jan-pajak.com/god_proof.htm (to find other >addresses of that web page you need to run google.com and then type >the key words "Jan Pajak god_proof.htm" - but without quotes). So >please do NOT claim that there is NO evidence for the existence of >God, but just admit, that you are trying to play "donkey" from the >famous English proverb "you can bring a donkey to water, but you >cannot make it drink".
There is non, liar.
Like all these morons you put the cart before the horse.
You presume it and rationalise things that can be twisted to fit this presumption.
It only fools yourself.
What you have to do is step aside from all your presumptions. Even the concept.
> On Sep 14, 2:57 am, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >"Why God keeps people in uncertainty of His existence (JP)"
> > > >Maybe because he just doesn't exist...
> > > Oh, he exists. All evidence to be found demands it.
> > And yet, you cannot actually produce this evidence. > > Fancy that.
> > PDW
> Surly youself, but only "perhaps" also he, are both unable to present > the scientific evidence for the existence of God. But I can indicate > such evidence.
On Sep 13, 8:15 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> rlbell wrote:
> > As to the answer to your question, there is none so blind as those who > > will not see. The cosmologists claim that there may be an infinite > > number of universes, so the fact that this one happens to be exactly > > constructed to allow for our existence is evidence of nothing.
> The hole is not made to fit the puddle, moron. > The universe was here long before life of any kind, so our existence fits > the universe, not the other way round. > A different universe would have produced different forms of life that fitted > its parameters. > Unless you claim that a different shaped hole will not fit the puddle.
It is not that the universe had to be special merely to allow for human life, but very few universes with random properties even have stars, let alone chemical bonding. Given no heat gradients from star light and no chemistry (or atoms besides hydrogen and helium), what evidence do you have that there will be any kind of life?
On what evidence does the theory of infinite universes come from?
You apparently make a different leap of faith than I do, but leap you do.
> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions, > our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people > believe in God.
The Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary gathers considerable data on the various religions, denominations and non-religious types around the world on a regular basis.
Their most recent publication gives the following mid-2007 estimates:
World Population: 6.616 billion
Christians: 2.196 billion
Non-Christians: 4.420 billion
And of this last figure, only 154 million are atheists.
Which is about 2.33% of the entire planetary population.
So perhaps the sources causing the concern expressed in your opening statement are lumping the non-Christians in with the atheists to make the world look bad.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in <e5ec9241-ea6d-421b-8901-aa58f254c...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>:
>On 13 Sep, 06:29, janpa...@gmail.com wrote: >> If we are to believe in claims of subsequent religious institutions, >> our planet Earth is packed with atheists, while only rare people >> believe in God.
>The Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary gathers considerable data on >the various religions, denominations and non-religious types around >the world on a regular basis.
>Their most recent publication gives the following mid-2007 estimates:
>World Population: 6.616 billion
>Christians: 2.196 billion
>Non-Christians: 4.420 billion
>And of this last figure, only 154 million are atheists.
>Which is about 2.33% of the entire planetary population.
>So perhaps the sources causing the concern expressed in your opening >statement are lumping the non-Christians in with the atheists to make >the world look bad.
But don't forget that the family of religions known as "Christian" disagrees so much with each other that there are thousands of denominations, including denominations dishonestly entitled 'nondenominational'.
>>> As to the answer to your question, there is none so blind as those >>> who will not see. The cosmologists claim that there may be an >>> infinite number of universes, so the fact that this one happens to >>> be exactly constructed to allow for our existence is evidence of >>> nothing.
>> The hole is not made to fit the puddle, moron. >> The universe was here long before life of any kind, so our existence >> fits the universe, not the other way round. >> A different universe would have produced different forms of life >> that fitted its parameters. >> Unless you claim that a different shaped hole will not fit the >> puddle.
> It is not that the universe had to be special merely to allow for > human life, but very few universes with random properties even have > stars, let alone chemical bonding.
Your evidence for that is?? In fact, what evidence do you have that *there are* other universes?
> Given no heat gradients from star > light and no chemistry (or atoms besides hydrogen and helium), what > evidence do you have that there will be any kind of life?
First show evidence of these other universes and their make-up.
> On what evidence does the theory of infinite universes come from?
None, as far as I know. It is merely speculation and belief, much like religion.
> You apparently make a different leap of faith than I do, but leap you > do.
Where? How? I'm only discussing *this* universe, the one we know exists, and no others.
