In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case. The first fact that shocks me is that it is so difficult to actually see an unhealthily fat person in a church. In turn the second shocking fact is that, as so-far, I never encountered a case that someone took notice of this lack of unhealthily fat people in churches and it seems to be impossible to find someone who would investigate reasons for this strange paradox of present times. Why it is so. Let us consider possible reasons for this domination of slim churchgoers.
The first possible explanation for this strange link between the belief in God and the lack of overweight in believers, could be that believers display incomparably stronger discipline than non-believers. After all, the majority of so-called "atheists" are softies and people without strong will, who are unable to mobilise themselves even to rational thinking, not mentioning the discipline of systematic going to church. About the laziness, inability to organise themselves, and chaotic thinking of typical atheists certify quite well discussions between believers and non-believers. Namely, while believers as a rule are able to present logical evidence and sound arguments e.g. about the existence of God, eternal soul, other world, etc., atheists are only able to swear, spit, scare, yell, blackmail, etc. Examples of such discussions about scientific evidence for the existence of God, in which atheists were mainly able to spit and swear, but they were lacking the knowledge and skills to argue rationally, are discussions from addresses http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/browse_thread/thread/8040... , http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/browse_thread/thread/3511120... , or http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/0b859... . However, I believe that this typical for atheists lack of discipline can account for slightly a larger percentage of slim people in churches, than it is visible on streets, but is unable to explain the true present situation in churches when it is really difficult to see there someone unhealthily obese - means more obese than we could consider to be a healthy norm for a given country.
A further explanation for this "paradox of lack of obesity in churches" could be that believers are more open for new ideas and think more rationally. After all, in present times when not only the education, but also newspapers and TV are flooding everyone with atheistic propaganda of the type that there is no evidence for the existence of God, soul, other world, etc., or that there is no room in the universe where God could live undetected by scientists, one needs to really have an open mind and must think rationally to see truth beyond this official disinformation and propaganda. In turn if someone has an open mind and thinks rationally, he or she is going to try new methods of sliming, new diets, etc. For example, the method of sliming with the use of Korean's "kim-chi" that keeps slim almost the entire population of wealthy South Korea, and which I offered on the web page "korea.htm", was tried almost exclusively by totalizts (totalizts are believers in God).
Some people could also argue that believers in God are poorer than atheists. Thus they also eat less and are slimmer. But this does NOT seem to be the case in real life.
I personally think that actual reason why churchgoers in average tend to be slimmer than typical people from streets, is the "lack of compensating by eating" in those ones who believe in God. Namely, it is well known that people who feel the lack of 'something in their lives, e.g. a lack of love, attention, job, friendship, etc., usually compensate this lack by excessive eating. In the result people with lacking something usually are obese. So it is highly probable that also atheism, means the lack of belief in God, is the source of similar feeling, which, probably, is compensated by excessive eating. And this may be why in churches it is difficult to spot people excessively fat.
I am curious what the reader thinks. The reason why I consider this matter to be very important, is that the lack of obesity in churches seems to prove that believing in God is a natural thing for humans, while becoming an atheist is highly unnatural and leads to various problems, including obesity. If this is the case (and churches free of obese people seem to confirm this), then it would mean that human body was especially designed and programmed to make us believe in God. This in turn would be just another scientific evidence for the existence of God and for the creation of people by God (while being a strong evidence against natural evolution).
Further 16 items of scientific evidence for the existence of God (apart from the item discussed above), are listed in #F2 and #F1 of the totaliztic web page named "bible.htm" (update of 23rd January 2008, or later), which should be available at following addresses:
It is also worth to know that under each address indicated above all the web pages of totalizm should be available (unless some of these web pages were sabotaged in the meantime). Thus, if someone wishes to view descriptions from any other web pages of totalizm, e.g. from web pages listed in this message, or in other my messages, then in the above addresses the name "bible.htm " is just enough to exchange for the name of the web page that he or she wishes to view, e.g. the web page "evil.htm", "malbork_uk.htm", "evolution.htm", "god.htm", "telepathy.htm", "text_1_5.htm", "dipolar_gravity.htm", "nirvana.htm", etc.
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:58:28 -0800 (PST), janpa...@gmail.com wrote: >In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese >people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be >full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case. The first >fact that shocks me is that it is so difficult to actually see an >unhealthily fat person in a church.
<chessu...@gmail.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes >On Jan 24, 12:30 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:58:28 -0800 (PST), janpa...@gmail.com wrote: >> >In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese >> >people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be >> >full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case. The first >> >fact that shocks me is that it is so difficult to actually see an >> >unhealthily fat person in a church.
>> :
>> Visit a Baptist church.
>Vote for Huckabee in '08!
>Why do preachers put on the pounds when the enter ministry?
> In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
I didn't think obese people were capable of swarming!
Being a Brit, I don't get into US churches much, but the mental image that I have is very much formed by people like the late Jerry Falwell or John Hagee.
> In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case. The first > fact that shocks me is that it is so difficult to actually see an > unhealthily fat person in a church. In turn the second shocking fact > is that, as so-far, I never encountered a case that someone took > notice of this lack of unhealthily fat people in churches and it seems > to be impossible to find someone who would investigate reasons for > this strange paradox of present times. Why it is so. Let us consider > possible reasons for this domination of slim churchgoers.
> The first possible explanation for this strange link between the > belief in God and the lack of overweight in believers, could be that > believers display incomparably stronger discipline than non-believers. > After all, the majority of so-called "atheists" are softies and people > without strong will, who are unable to mobilise themselves even to > rational thinking, not mentioning the discipline of systematic going > to church. About the laziness, inability to organise themselves, and > chaotic thinking of typical atheists certify quite well discussions > between believers and non-believers. Namely, while believers as a rule > are able to present logical evidence and sound arguments e.g. about > the existence of God, eternal soul, other world, etc., atheists are > only able to swear, spit, scare, yell, blackmail, etc. Examples of > such discussions about scientific evidence for the existence of God, > in which atheists were mainly able to spit and swear, but they were > lacking the knowledge and skills to argue rationally, are discussions > from addresseshttp://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/browse_thread/thread/8040... > ,http://groups.google.com/group/sci.logic/browse_thread/thread/3511120... > , orhttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/0b859... > . However, I believe that this typical for atheists lack of discipline > can account for slightly a larger percentage of slim people in > churches, than it is visible on streets, but is unable to explain the > true present situation in churches when it is really difficult to see > there someone unhealthily obese - means more obese than we could > consider to be a healthy norm for a given country.
> A further explanation for this "paradox of lack of obesity in > churches" could be that believers are more open for new ideas and > think more rationally. After all, in present times when not only the > education, but also newspapers and TV are flooding everyone with > atheistic propaganda of the type that there is no evidence for the > existence of God, soul, other world, etc., or that there is no room in > the universe where God could live undetected by scientists, one needs > to really have an open mind and must think rationally to see truth > beyond this official disinformation and propaganda. In turn if someone > has an open mind and thinks rationally, he or she is going to try new > methods of sliming, new diets, etc. For example, the method of sliming > with the use of Korean's "kim-chi" that keeps slim almost the entire > population of wealthy South Korea, and which I offered on the web page > "korea.htm", was tried almost exclusively by totalizts (totalizts are > believers in God).
> Some people could also argue that believers in God are poorer than > atheists. Thus they also eat less and are slimmer. But this does NOT > seem to be the case in real life.
> I personally think that actual reason why churchgoers in average tend > to be slimmer than typical people from streets, is the "lack of > compensating by eating" in those ones who believe in God. Namely, it > is well known that people who feel the lack of 'something in their > lives, e.g. a lack of love, attention, job, friendship, etc., usually > compensate this lack by excessive eating. In the result people with > lacking something usually are obese. So it is highly probable that > also atheism, means the lack of belief in God, is the source of > similar feeling, which, probably, is compensated by excessive eating. > And this may be why in churches it is difficult to spot people > excessively fat.
> I am curious what the reader thinks. The reason why I consider this > matter to be very important, is that the lack of obesity in churches > seems to prove that believing in God is a natural thing for humans, > while becoming an atheist is highly unnatural and leads to various > problems, including obesity. If this is the case (and churches free of > obese people seem to confirm this), then it would mean that human body > was especially designed and programmed to make us believe in God. This > in turn would be just another scientific evidence for the existence of > God and for the creation of people by God (while being a strong > evidence against natural evolution).
> Further 16 items of scientific evidence for the existence of God > (apart from the item discussed above), are listed in #F2 and #F1 of > the totaliztic web page named "bible.htm" (update of 23rd January > 2008, or later), which should be available at following addresses:
> It is also worth to know that under each address indicated above all > the web pages of totalizm should be available (unless some of these > web pages were sabotaged in the meantime). Thus, if someone wishes to > view descriptions from any other web pages of totalizm, e.g. from web > pages listed in this message, or in other my messages, then in the > above addresses the name "bible.htm " is just enough to exchange for > the name of the web page that he or she wishes to view, e.g. the web > page "evil.htm", "malbork_uk.htm", "evolution.htm", "god.htm", > "telepathy.htm", "text_1_5.htm", "dipolar_gravity.htm", "nirvana.htm", > etc.
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:58:28 -0800 in ca04f844-4272-4858-9a6a-ec9d6a610...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
janpa...@gmail.com wrote: > In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be full > of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
-- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Segregation or separation is thus a basic principle of Biblical law with respect to religion and morality." -- R.J. Rushdooney, architect of "Christian Reconstructionism."
> In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
Baloney - Obviously you've never set foot in a church. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557
> > In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
> Baloney - Obviously you've never set foot in a church. > -- > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > BAAWA Knight! > #1557
Well Anglicans tend towards the lean side. However, Baptists...you have a point. Southern Baptists, doubly so. Black Southern Baptists, trebly so. And When you get to the Choir of a Black Southern Baptish Church....the average Choir robe size is triple extra enormous.
> > In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
> Baloney - Obviously you've never set foot in a church. > -- > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > BAAWA Knight! > #1557 >Well Anglicans tend towards the lean side. However, Baptists...you >have a point. >Southern Baptists, doubly so. Black Southern Baptists, trebly so. And >When you get to the Choir of a Black Southern Baptish Church....the >average Choir robe size is triple extra enormous.
I've been mainly to Catholic churches over the past couple of years and I don't recall seeing a lot of thin people ;) -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557
> In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
Yes it is. I, on the other hand, am an atheist with a 26" waist so your silly theory really should bugger off now.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck of Doom
|> |> news:ca04f844-4272-4858-9a6a-ec9d6a610275@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com... |> |>> In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese |>> people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be |>> full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case. |> Baloney - Obviously you've never set foot in a church. |> -- |> Robyn |> Resident Witchypoo |> BAAWA Knight! |> #1557 | |> Well Anglicans tend towards the lean side. However, Baptists...you |> have a point. |> Southern Baptists, doubly so. Black Southern Baptists, trebly so. And |> When you get to the Choir of a Black Southern Baptish Church....the |> average Choir robe size is triple extra enormous. | | I've been mainly to Catholic churches over the past couple of years and I | don't recall seeing a lot of thin people ;) | Shit, I grew up in Protestant, Evangelical, Charismatic, none denominational churches my whole life.
There was never a dearth of well fed rotund individuals. In fact, the preacher was always very well fed, and it was almost a duty that he have lunch with some family of the congregation each and every Sunday.
I don't think in the whole 35 years I spent in churches, I ever saw the preachers wife cook for the man one single time.
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> In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
> > > In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > > > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > > > full of such veryfatindividuals. But it is NOT the case.
> > Baloney - Obviously you've never set foot in a church. > > -- > > Robyn > > Resident Witchypoo > > BAAWA Knight! > > #1557 > >Well Anglicans tend towards the lean side. However, Baptists...you > >have a point. > >Southern Baptists, doubly so. Black Southern Baptists, trebly so. And > >When you get to the Choir of a Black Southern Baptish Church....the > >average Choir robe size is triple extra enormous.
> I've been mainly to Catholic churches over the past couple of years and I > don't recall seeing a lot of thin people ;) > -- > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > BAAWA Knight! > #1557- Hide quoted text -
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I was raised Catholic, and more or less, Catholics are average to slightly fatter than average. However, Being a Baltimorean, I do get a lot of exposure to black southern Baptists congregations, and their Gospel Choirs tend to be composed of young african american women over 300 pounds.
Oh and the workplace is just rife with theism. Nearly every coworker has a bible on their desk, and regularly I deal with their radios on the gospel stations, and blaming the slightest mishap on satan, and the slightest bit of good fortune gets responded to with a rousing "Praise Jesus" <eyeroll> Payer meeting are advertised and Devotionals posted in cubicles. So work always involves being surrounded by lunatics. Don't get me wrong, I like them ok, I just think they are nuts, and I certainly try to keep my cosmological thoughts on the down low.
> > > In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > > > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > > > full of such veryfatindividuals. But it is NOT the case.
> > Baloney - Obviously you've never set foot in a church. > >Well Anglicans tend towards the lean side. However, Baptists...you > >have a point. > >Southern Baptists, doubly so. Black Southern Baptists, trebly so. And > >When you get to the Choir of a Black Southern Baptish Church....the > >average Choir robe size is triple extra enormous.
> I've been mainly to Catholic churches over the past couple of years and I > don't recall seeing a lot of thin people ;) > --
> - Show quoted text - >I was raised Catholic, and more or less, Catholics are average to >slightly fatter than average. However, Being a Baltimorean, I do get a >lot of exposure to black southern Baptists congregations, and their >Gospel Choirs tend to be composed of young african american women over >300 pounds.
I bet. My daughter and I were in Nyack, NY shopping when a local black Baptist church let out. They were all so finely dressed, but a lot of the women were huge!
>Oh and the workplace is just rife with theism. Nearly every coworker >has a bible on their desk, and regularly I deal with their radios on >the gospel stations, and blaming the slightest mishap on satan, and >the slightest bit of good fortune gets responded to with a rousing >"Praise Jesus" <eyeroll>
Really? Holy crap (literally). The people I used to work for were all Jewish, so we didn't have any of that nonsense.
> Payer meeting are advertised and Devotionals >posted in cubicles. So work always involves being surrounded by >lunatics.
Do they ever hassle you?
> Don't get me wrong, I like them ok, I just think they are >nuts, and I certainly try to keep my cosmological thoughts on the down >low.
I would imagine so. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557
> The first possible explanation for this strange link between the > belief in God and the lack of overweight in believers, could be that > believers display incomparably stronger discipline than >non-believers.
I suspect that it is a greater frequency of cosmetic surgery. By any chance, is your church in Beverley Hills?
On Jan 24, 12:48 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message > I've been mainly to Catholic churches over the past couple of years and I > don't recall seeing a lot of thin people ;) > -- > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > BAAWA Knight! > #1557
On Jan 25, 9:57 am, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was raised Catholic, and more or less, Catholics are average to > slightly fatter than average. However, Being a Baltimorean, I do get a > lot of exposure to black southern Baptists congregations, and their > Gospel Choirs tend to be composed of young african american women over > 300 pounds.
This is contradictive to my findings. I attend only Roman Catholic masses, but in several countries. I look for fat people because I am myself a bit round (93 kg). I am repetitively noticing that my size (i.e. around 93 kg) is usually the maximal size in Catholic churches. However on streets, my size looks slim, as there is ever increasing number of really obese people in the world lately, which are significantly over 100 kg. I suppose some strict scientific research should be completed to draw valid conclusions in that matter, but my initial findings indicate that there is something more than just a coincidence in this lack of obese people in Catholic Churches.
> > In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese > > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be > > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
> snip
> Most ridiculous apologia ever?
> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta. > aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
Shinto practitioners would be even healthier on average.
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:45:22 -0800 (PST), Nosterill
<fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Jan 24, 3:58 am, janpa...@gmail.com wrote: >> In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese >> people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be >> full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
>I didn't think obese people were capable of swarming!
>Being a Brit, I don't get into US churches much, but the mental image >that I have is very much formed by people like the late Jerry Falwell >or John Hagee.
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:09:03 -0800 (PST), panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Jan 23, 10:58 pm, janpa...@gmail.com wrote: >> In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese >> people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be >> full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
<chris_h_flem...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Jan 24, 3:09 pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote: >> On Jan 23, 10:58 pm, janpa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > In recent years streets of cities are swarming from unhealthily obese >> > people. Thus similarly like these streets, also churches should be >> > full of such very fat individuals. But it is NOT the case.
>> snip
>> Most ridiculous apologia ever?
>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta. >> aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
>Shinto practitioners would be even healthier on average.
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:22:39 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Jan 23, 10:58 pm, janpa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The first possible explanation for this strange link between the >> belief in God and the lack of overweight in believers, could be that >> believers display incomparably stronger discipline than >non-believers. > I suspect that it is a greater frequency of cosmetic surgery. > By any chance, is your church in Beverley Hills?
> > Payer meeting are advertised and Devotionals > >posted in cubicles. So work always involves being surrounded by > >lunatics.
> Do they ever hassle you?
Not really, A couple of " I'll pray for you"s, that's about it. They are nice lot overall. Yes and two of the nicest include a reverend and a otherwise quite intelligent(one of the few more knowlegable than myself) young earth creationist. However, they seem genuinely dumbfounded that I don't operate at their wavelength. Add to the fact I'm male, which is severely in the minority, and white, also in the minority, and a hard worker(though not as much as I used to be), also in the minority...I'm viewed as an outsider.
> > Payer meeting are advertised and Devotionals > >posted in cubicles. So work always involves being surrounded by > >lunatics.
> Do they ever hassle you?
>Not really, A couple of " I'll pray for you"s, that's about it. They >are nice lot overall.
Whew! Thank goodness ;)
>Yes and two of the nicest include a reverend and >a otherwise quite intelligent(one of the few more knowlegable than >myself) young earth creationist. However, they seem genuinely >dumbfounded that I don't operate at their wavelength.
Yeah, I've gotten a lot of that myself. It sort of amazes me how so many people are unable to comprehend someone not believe in a god.
> Add to the fact >I'm male, which is severely in the minority, and white, also in the >minority, and a hard worker(though not as much as I used to be), also >in the minority...I'm viewed as an outsider.
I know that feeling as well - but then again, that's an image I've cultivated over the years ;) -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557
