Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Truth Seeker, what books about Scientology and Hubbard do you recommend?

1 view
Skip to first unread message

Muldoon

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 3:10:23 PM2/12/06
to
What authors do you recommend?

Russell Miller? Jon Atack? Bent Corydon? Paulette Cooper? Robert
Kaufman? George Malko?

Your advice is being requested.

Truth Seeker

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 3:19:16 PM2/12/06
to
I recommend that you smarten up and stop being a stupid idiot before
it gets too late.

All you are doing is giving me more and more "motivators" which is
making this easier and easier to do. I really feel sorry for you guys,
I really do. You have a nighmare coming to you down the road. Your
going down a dead end street 80 miles and hour and you don't even know
it.

Remember, I have warned you. You can still turn back before it gets
too late. You think that you know what you are up against, but you do
not.

Remember, you have been warned.


Phil Scott

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 4:21:58 PM2/12/06
to

"Truth Seeker" <asd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:j56vu1t4vhaq14uli...@4ax.com...


Dearest Tooth Sucker... you cult ops said that back in
1995, since then your operations have crashed over 90%, and
scientology and Hubbards name are world wide pariah's.

But I know where you are coming from... the insane nut
cases running your cult have promised to sue the critics into
oblivion....

never happen son...for two reasons, we have freedom of speech
in the US,, and others in other nations can say what they want
from servers you will not gain control over...its too big a
job for one tiny cult to accomplish 100%... even with
inroads, as long as the truth about your operations leaks even
1% and you keep recruiting only dupes who are unable to fathom
the mess... your organization will keep on going south as so
many bogus organizations have before it... dupes and idiots do
not create a long term viable organization, especially with
Hubbards utterly insane dogma as the driving force.


Thanks for coming out of the closet for Muldie though.


We always knew you were a cult moron.

>
>


zeeorger

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 6:20:03 PM2/12/06
to


<sigh> I'll consider myself "warned". (your entire reply is so generic

it could be used, verbatim, by either CoS or its critics)

I feel more insulted that treatended. If your intelectual capacity is
any
indicator, you and the low-life's of OSA are unworthy antagonists.

The truth remains that, for over two decades now, the CoS went over
to the dark side by embracing some of the worst aspects of LRHs
cosmology. The CoS went from "fraternity of scientologists" to "Cult
of LRH" - led there by a temperamental tyranical mental midget.

The CoS should be labeld the "Cult of CoB" (COB being Chairman of
the Board, David Miscavige, the temperamental tyranical mental midget
commonly reffered to on this NG as "the dwarf").

Indications are that this "Cult of CoB" has tried a number of times
now to move from the "the select few" into the mainstream, but its
an utter failure.

Z

Muldoon

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 7:01:19 PM2/12/06
to

zeeorger wrote:
> Truth Seeker wrote:
> > I recommend that you smarten up and stop being a stupid idiot before
> > it gets too late.
> >
> > All you are doing is giving me more and more "motivators" which is
> > making this easier and easier to do. I really feel sorry for you guys,
> > I really do. You have a nighmare coming to you down the road. Your
> > going down a dead end street 80 miles and hour and you don't even know
> > it.
> >
> > Remember, I have warned you. You can still turn back before it gets
> > too late. You think that you know what you are up against, but you do
> > not.
> >
> > Remember, you have been warned.
>
>
> <sigh> I'll consider myself "warned". (your entire reply is so generic
>
> it could be used, verbatim, by either CoS or its critics)
>
> I feel more insulted that threatened. If your intellectual capacity is

> any
> indicator, you and the low-life's of OSA are unworthy antagonists.
>
> The truth remains that, for over two decades now, the CoS went over
> to the dark side by embracing some of the worst aspects of LRHs
> cosmology. The CoS went from "fraternity of scientologists" to "Cult
> of LRH" - led there by a temperamental tyrannical mental midget.
>
> The CoS should be labeled the "Cult of CoB" (COB being Chairman of
> the Board, David Miscavige, the temperamental tyrannical mental midget
> commonly referred to on this NG as "the dwarf").

>
> Indications are that this "Cult of CoB" has tried a number of times
> now to move from the "the select few" into the mainstream, but its
> an utter failure.
>
> Z

My "two cents" on your above observations are that the C of S, as far
as its basic design and practices go, was in place, per Hubbard's
carefully laid out instructions, by the mid/late 1960s, and definitely
by the early 1970s.

The best years were in the 1950s and, to some extent, the early 1960s
and, in some Missions, at times, up to as late as the 1970s.

Of course, even in the most unlikely places, there were pockets of
sanity, maintained by a few.

However, the idealistic and decent amongst the membership were faced
with a seemingly impossible dilemma. The "creator" of Scientology was
also the main problem in Scientology. For a Scientologist, that's close
to being an "unconfrontable" situation. Over the years, with more and
more information becoming available, and additional insights being
shared, this bizarre situation has been, and continues to be,
confronted.

And many have finally "graduated from L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology."

And by the way Z, I very much appreciate your input on ARS.

Now back to the topic at hand: Truth Seeker's near hysterical response
on this thread is _extremely_ revealing.

The question posed in the header seems to have hit a nerve.

Phil Scott

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 7:29:17 PM2/12/06
to

"Muldoon" <bria...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:1139788879.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...


It seems to have hit more than a nerve, maybe we are hitting
the brain stem as one of us has suggested.


Phil Scott

>


wbarwell

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 7:32:54 PM2/12/06
to
Muldoon wrote:

Which have you actually read, TS?

Are you allowed to read "entheta" books?


A source for books you may want to read.


******************** Books for you! ************************

Want to know about Scientology? Want to read the history of
Hubbard and Scientology? Many books are on the web for free.
Download tham and answer all your questions about Scientology,
Elron Hubbard and more.

For Scientology critic newbies, try "Bare Faced Messiah"
by Russell Miller, or "A Piece of Blue Sky by Jon Atack".
The best basic histories of Hubbard and Scientology.

Get them here!

************************************************
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/books.htm
************************************************

Grossman, Wendy -- net.wars

Atack, Jon -- A Piece of blue Sky
A very good basic histor - Essential

Atack, Jon -- The Total Freedom Trap

Cooper, Paulette -- The Scandal Of Scientology
The first fledged critical book on Scientology

Corydon, Bent -- L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman?
Good!

Ebner, Mark -- Do You Want To Buy a Bridge?

Fishman, Steven -- Lonesome Squirrel

Forte, John -- The Commodore & The Colonels

Kaufman, Robert -- Inside Scientology /Dianetics
Good!

Komrij, Gerrit -- De stankbel aan de nieuwezijdse

Miller, Russell -- "Bare-Faced Messiah: The True
Story of L. Ron Hubbard"
A very good basic history - Essential

Penny, Bob -- Social Control in Scientology

Pignotti, Monica -- My Nine Lives in Scientology

Roos, Otto -- The Otto Roos Story

Rolph, C H -- Believe What You Like

Vosper, Cyril -- The Mind Benders
Good!

Wakefield, Margery -- Testimony: The Autobiography
of Margery Wakefield

Wakefield, Margery -- The Road to Xenu

Wakefield, Margery -- Understanding Scientology

Wallis, Roy -- The Road to Total Freedom

Documents Of A Lifetime -- The Uncensored L. Ron
Hubbard papers


***********************************************************************

--

To delight in war is a merit in the soldier, a dangerous
quality in the captain and a positive crime in a statesman.
- George Santayana

Cheerful Charlie

wbarwell

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 7:45:32 PM2/12/06
to
Truth Seeker wrote:

> I recommend that you smarten up and stop being a stupid idiot before
> it gets too late.


What books have you actually read?
Besides Hubbard's trash.
PTS/SP pack maybe? History of Man?


> All you are doing is giving me more and more "motivators" which is
> making this easier and easier to do. I really feel sorry for you guys,
> I really do. You have a nighmare coming to you down the road. Your
> going down a dead end street 80 miles and hour and you don't even know
> it.

No, its you who are about to get run over, fool.
You are now without credibility. And you cannot
stop the net.

There in fact almost every book written about Hubbard
in English on line and many in German, French and others.
Information for the asking. Free. All the sleaziness,
insanity and savagery of Hubbard exposed.

Almost every bit of bizarre jive Hubbard spewed is
downloadable somewhere on the net for those who really
want it. Stupidology cannot stop the truth.

Your hateful dirt tricls on Tory Christman show what
a dipsicalble, low nasty cult Scientology is, and yes,
it is a Cult with a big capitol C.

We have rattled your low toned cage and shown
you for the hate fuill cult operative you are.
The mask slips in this post.

You are not just a flake or mentally addled-pated
kook, you are a cult operative pure and simple.
How much did you pay Stupidology to become
a nasty mental midget?

> Remember, I have warned you. You can still turn back before it gets
> too late. You think that you know what you are up against, but you do
> not.

We have been hearing that jive here for ten years.
The net chugs along and your cult, pardon, Cult
just sinks lower, now the butt of every TV comic
in the world. Everybody is learning about Xenu and the
BTs, space cooties, despite a decade of threats,
lawsuits, cult ops, and OSA bullshit.

>Remember, you have been warned.

Xenu, space cooties, space opera jive, fair game,
A slap happy midget cult leader, pain and sex
whole track psychs, goofball movies stars like
Tom "Space Case Cruise", cult jive exposed everywhere
on 1001 websites, keep dancing clamhead!

KEEP PULLING IT IN!

*********************************************************
* Scientology Books Online Mini-FAQ *
*********************************************************

Looking for information on Scientology?
Almost every major book, most minor books and many reports
on Scientology are readily online. From Russia one
can ever get Scientology books online, and high
level materials and tape transcripts. This mini-FAQ is not
exhaustive.
See http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/hunt-booklist.html
for a more complete listing. A good source is the Xenu.net
archive. Many are freely available here.
file:/home/wbarwell/SCIENT/AAAAA/books-for-you/
xenu.netarchivebooks.html

***********************************************************
Books on Scientology
Get them here:

THE BARE-FACED MESSIAH - Russell Miller.
A PIECE OF BLUE SKY - Jon Atack.
These two books are basically the best general
histories on Hubbard and Scientology

THE SCANDAL OF SCIENTOLOGY - Paulette Cooper
The first crtical book. Cooper was severely
"fair gamed" by Scientology for writing it.

RELIGION, INC. - Stewart Lamont.
Another good book on the general history of Hubbard
and Scientology.

L. RON HUBBARD: MESSIAH OR MADMAN? - Bent Corydon &
L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
Hubbard's son and a long time Scientology, Corydon.

INSIDE SCIENTOLOGY: HOW I JOINED DIANETICS/
SCIENTOLOGY AND BECAME SUPERMAN - Robert Kaufman.
THE MIND BENDERS - Cyril Vosper.
SCIENTOLOGY: THE NOW RELIGION - George Malko.
Three ex-Scientologists.
Excellent books by ex-Scientologists.

THE ROAD TO TOTAL FREEDOM - Roy Wallis.
One of the few sociological books on Scientology.

THE ROAD TO XENU - Margery Wakefield
Another ex-Scientologist writes of her experiences.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU LIKE - C.H. Rolph

Complete text of 1973 book by the late C.H. Rolph
examines the origins of Scientology, the skirmishes of
Scientologists with the law in the U.K., and their aborted
attempt to infiltrate the National Association for Mental
Health.

THE COMMODORE AND THE COLONELS - C.H. Rolph
Hubbard and his "Navy" in the Mediterranian and Greece.

DIANETICS IN LIMBO - Helen O'Brien
One of the first Scientologists tells the story
of Scientology's early days.

NAKED SCIENTOLOGY/ALI'S SMILE - William S. Burroughs
Infamous beat writer Burroughs was briefly in
Scientology.

*******************************************************

Pro-Scientology
Hidden Story of Scientology - Omar Garrison
Scientology for the millions

*******************************************************

Scientology
THE HISTORY OF MAN - L. Ron Hubbard
This book occasionally can be found on websites in Russia
or elsewhere. One of the oddest books ever written, this
book, written in 1952 purportedly tells the 'history'
of our thetans, souls, and past lives. Truely, hilariously
bizarre.
MANUAL OF JUSTICE - L. Ron Hubbard
THE BRAIN WASHING MANUAL - L. Ron Hubbard

********************************************************
These sites are good places to download books, reports,
and other similar materials.

http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/books.htm?FACTNet
http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/
http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/
http://members.chello.nl/mgormez/books/
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/hunt-booklist.html
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s04b.html
http://www.spiritandsky.com/skeptics/scientology/online-books/
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/
http://cleartech1.chat.ru/
Best place for Hubbard books.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/secret.html

Official Scientology site
http://www.scientolology.org

wbarwell

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 7:46:42 PM2/12/06
to
Truth Seeker wrote:

Clamhead threats. All you can do is buster, blow hard.

*************************************************
* WWW.XENU.NET Operation Clambake! *
*************************************************

http://www.xenu.net/

Probably the premiere Scientology site on the
net. If this site does not have what you want,
it will lead you to a site that does!

Books for free!
http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/index.html
Almost every book written about Hubbard or
scientology can be found here.

The Operation Clambake Forum
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/

Media reports on Scientology from
around the world, past and present
http://www.xenu.net/archive/media.html

Court files, Cases, Declarations and more.
The most litiginous cult on earth.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/CourtFiles/

Media! Movies, TV, Radio!
http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/Vault/

Government reports from over the world and
much more. Scientology critically examined.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/

And much, much more.

wbarwell

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 8:00:59 PM2/12/06
to
Phil Scott wrote:


Yes, the mask slipped. Mr. OSA cult-op lost his cool.
Har! Har! Har!
Everybody here should clip this post of Turd Leaker and
save it.

Muldoon gigged him good and hard and he hauled Turd Leaker
in like a fat old fish and we watched Turd teh cult op
flop around helplessly.

He lost his cool! Haw Haw!

...

HCPOL August 1969
Policy Letter, Discipline, SPs and Admin:

Open and free public discussion of Scientology is
to be discouraged. Attack the reputations of "too
curious" questioners and information providers.
Avoid examination of actual issues. If possible, an
"attacker" is to be "obliterated," leaving a
"vacuum." One then is to "fill the vacuum" with
Scientology "Public Relations."

...

He didn't make it go right as per above policy.

Tone scale again...

HIDING -8.0 MYSTERY
BEING OBJECTS -10.0 WAIT
BEING NOTHING -20.0 UNCONSCIOUS
CAN'T HIDE -30.0
TOTAL FAILURE -40.0 UNKNOWABLE


The mask slipped and he "CAN'T HIDE" any more.
He's now to -30.0 on the tone scale, as low toned
as a thetan being gets save for total failure.
We see to the center of his putrid little thetan
soul and he's nothing any more.

Meanwhile, the critics rock on with the volume
all the way up to 11!
And there isn't anything Mr. -30.0 can do about
it at all. You know, I just LIVE for moments
like this when the assholes spontaenously combust.

ida...@aol.com

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 8:10:55 PM2/12/06
to
Having read many of the books and articles that are listed, I found
each one helpful in learning about LRH's devious cult. In l976 when I
first learned of
having a loved one involved . I was eager to learn how this normal,
bright human
being could give up his all for this group.
I was advised to read "Battle for the Mind" by William Sargant. I
believe Sargant
explained in detail the mechanism used to indoctrinate. If you haven't
read it
I think you will find it very informative.
Whether you are in the cult or now and ex, you will find it
interesting.

Ida Camburn

"You must have crossed the river to tell the crocodile he has bad
breath."

Android Cat

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 8:32:18 PM2/12/06
to
Truth Seeker wrote:
> I recommend that you smarten up and stop being a stupid idiot before
> it gets too late.
>
> All you are doing is giving me more and more "motivators" which is

"Hey uncle Owen! This clambot unit has a bad motivator!"

> making this easier and easier to do. I really feel sorry for you guys,
> I really do. You have a nighmare coming to you down the road. Your
> going down a dead end street 80 miles and hour and you don't even know
> it.

You're the one standing in the middle of busy traffic yelling "HONK HONK!
I'M A TRAIN!"

--
Ron of that ilk.


wbarwell

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 9:20:27 PM2/12/06
to
Muldoon wrote:


> Now back to the topic at hand: Truth Seeker's near hysterical response
> on this thread is _extremely_ revealing.
>
> The question posed in the header seems to have hit a nerve.

Yes, you shook the little bastard up good!
I think a lot of people lately have been rattling him
and he lost his cool and blew it.

We now know he is a purposeful operative, not just a
brain damaged kook, sometimes, its so hard to tell.

10 brownie points for Muldoon, he made
the clam do a double back flip!

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Lets see that again in slo-mo!

*************************************************
Turdleaker blows!

I recommend that you smarten up and stop being a
stupid idiot before it gets too late.

All you are doing is giving me more and more "motivators" which is
making this easier and easier to do. I really feel sorry for you guys,
I really do. You have a nighmare coming to you down the road. Your
going down a dead end street 80 miles and hour and you don't even know
it.

Remember, I have warned you. You can still turn back before it gets
too late. You think that you know what you are up against, but you do
not.

Remember, you have been warned.

***************************************************

He admits he's a clamhead operative.

wbarwell

unread,
Feb 12, 2006, 10:22:18 PM2/12/06
to
Android Cat wrote:


"Sob! You keep giving me motivators! Sob! You are FORCING
me to harass people and lie and do stupid things! Sob!"

Scientology in action.


--

"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain

Cheerful Charlie

realpch

unread,
Feb 13, 2006, 12:38:44 AM2/13/06
to

Uhhh, did he? He probably is making plans for a spam blizzard.

Peach

Povmec

unread,
Feb 13, 2006, 2:02:02 AM2/13/06
to

tRuth Seeker, when you ominously warn people like that, it's best to
cue in a 1950's sci-fi movie where a group of people scream
hysterically while running away from a flying saucer of some sort (best
with extremely lousy special effects), on which the camera focuses to
show a small "http://www.xenu.net" sign underneath. I think the effect
would be great, and certainly Hubbard would be proud of you.

Ray.

wbarwell

unread,
Feb 13, 2006, 2:13:57 AM2/13/06
to
realpch wrote:


Yes. Exactly.

He's blown his cover and admitted, he's running an
operation here.
Whether he is OSA, an OSA catspaw, or a clamhead
doing it on his own, he's running a game here and
he admits it. It doesn't matter what he exactly is,
he's playing games here. He has come out and admitted
it to us. If he is an OSA clown, he isn't a very
good one.

He is not an ambulatory, dinged out kook, he's not a
confused drug addled loonie, he's not just damaged.
So there is no excuse.

Its not that he's so damaged he doesn't realize
what he's doing. Its an op.

We got him mad so he now has "more motivators".
Its making it "easier and easier to do".

He is not an marginally insane, wobble
brained retard, he does everything on purpose
with a plan. And he lost it and as much as
admitted it to us, he gets no more mercy.
He is malicious and designedly so.

The funny part here is, he can't take the heat.
So he's gonna get it long and hard here.
He's a malicious bastard and its always nice
to see bullies like him squeal like piggies.

Rev. Norle Enturbulata

unread,
Feb 13, 2006, 6:22:01 AM2/13/06
to

"Truth Seeker" <asd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:j56vu1t4vhaq14uli...@4ax.com...

Which is not a response to the questions you mindlessly snipped. Did you
not respond to the questions because it would get you in trouble with your
handlers and "Ethics" if you were to recommend any books critical of your
pill-head rummy guru?

If you check again you may see that someone was actually asking you
questions. Here they are again.


--
http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
http://PerkinsTragedy.org - http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org

Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
* "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"


Rev. Norle Enturbulata

unread,
Feb 13, 2006, 6:23:32 AM2/13/06
to

"Povmec" <pov...@xenu-directory.net> wrote in message
news:1139814122....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Keep watching the skies! KEEP WATCHING THE SKIES!

roger gonnet

unread,
Feb 14, 2006, 3:53:10 AM2/14/06
to

"Muldoon" <bria...@dslextreme.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1139775023....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

In french, he could as well recommend those:

Le rapport 2003 de la MIVILUDES
La Thèse de Droit pénal spécial de Arnaud Palisson, mention très honorable et
félicitations du jury, existe sous forme de livre chez les éditions Favre en
Suisse (on peut le commander sur Internet,)
L'ouvrage (350 pages) de nombreux auteurs universitaires français "sectes et
laïcité", à acheter à la documentation française
Les sectes en France, Rapport n°2468 de l'Assemblée Nationale, DIAN 5995, du 10
Janvier 1996, que l'on peut commander directement à : Assemblée Nationale, Paris
avec un chèque de 40F. * * ou télécharger : voici le lien: Les rapports
ASSEMBLEE NATIONALE
Autre rapport de l'assemblée nationale: les finances des sectes, 1999
aussi: rapport de la mission interministérielle de lutte contre les sectes,
février 2000:
LA SECTE - secte armée pour la guerre, chroniques d'une "religion" commerciale à
irresponsabilité illimitée - Roger Gonnet, - édition ALBAN, novembre 1998 - je
ne mets pas d'étoiles, c'est mon oeuvre.
Ron Hubbard, le Gourou démasqué , Russel Miller, chez Plon * * *(passionnant
quant aux mensonges d'Hubbard et de la scientologie-dianétique sur le passé du
gourou; très historique, remarquable et difficile à trouver désormais) A CHARGER
SUR LE NET; fantastique... en français
Généraliste excellent: La dérive Sectaire, Anne Fournier et Michel Monroy***
Les Nouvelles Sectes, Alain Woodrow***
Scientologie, laboratoire du Futur? Paul ARIES, édition Golias, nov 98 ***
Un bonheur mortel, Bernard Fillaire**
La pieuvre scientologique, Julia Darcondo**
Scientologie, Vol au dessus d'un nid de gourous, José Lenzini, chez Plein Sud *
* *
Le procès de l'église de scientologie, chez Albin Michel (Les grands procès
contemporains)* *
La Mécanique des Sectes, Jean-Marie Abgrall, chez Payot * *
Le dico des sectes (ouvrage généraliste très utile, édité par le CCMM)***
Une Secte au Coeur de la République, Serge Faubert*(très intéressant pour la
relation sciento/PS) (introuvable en librairie)
Le Grand Décervelage, Bernard Filliaire, chez Plon* **(très complet pour les
références) - contient des documents sur d'autres sectes.
par un défenseur des sectes: - sur site! Sectes nouvelles, Meyer (expédier un
mail ici!)
par un universitaire qui s'est fait rouler par la sciento (introuvable,
historique): Roland Chagnon*
L'enfer des sectes, Gilbert Picard, Carroussel F.N.*(intérêt global pour les
sectes)
La France aux cent sectes, J.P.Van Geirt, Vauvenargues* (une simple liste sans
développements)
Et, traduit en partie par Mickael Tussier, sur son site : Le piège de la Liberté
Totale par Jon Atack (300K+)
Voir aussi les références et la liste des groupes derrière lesquels des sectes
se cachent


>


zeeorger

unread,
Feb 14, 2006, 6:20:11 AM2/14/06
to

I had both the good and bad fortune of being in one of these pockets.


> However, the idealistic and decent amongst the membership were faced
> with a seemingly impossible dilemma. The "creator" of Scientology was
> also the main problem in Scientology. For a Scientologist, that's close
> to being an "unconfrontable" situation. Over the years, with more and
> more information becoming available, and additional insights being
> shared, this bizarre situation has been, and continues to be,
> confronted.
>
> And many have finally "graduated from L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology."
>

What I find totally amazing is that so few within Scn could confront
and handle the situation. I am still floored by it. Its eerie.


> And by the way Z, I very much appreciate your input on ARS.

... just "boil-off"

I still want to take on DMs startegic long term plan one of these days.


> Now back to the topic at hand: Truth Seeker's near hysterical response
> on this thread is _extremely_ revealing.
>
> The question posed in the header seems to have hit a nerve.


TS has access to the internet, yet he does not appear to be free
to surf the internet.

Z

cultxpt

unread,
Feb 14, 2006, 7:53:42 AM2/14/06
to
I'm gonna guess again this is huheyniaman, aka Ian Mann. He ran some
ops here back in '96 I think...

huheyniaman unmasked

From: Jeff Jacobsen - view profile
Date: Tues, Mar 21 1995 6:11 am
Email: cult...@primenet.com (Jeff Jacobsen)
Groups: alt.religion.scientology


huheyniaman is an OTVIII. He went clear. He went through the Wall
of
Fire of OTIII. He went aboard the Free Winds into that locked room,
passed that package under the laser beam to open it, and completed
OTVIII. Then he learned how to post anonymously and began his
trademark
smear campaign against church critics. His posts are the shining
example
of what the end of the Road to Total Freedom creates; a vile, heartless
individual.
For those Scientologists out there who long for the day that they
too
can become an OTVIII, please go back and re-read huheyniaman's posts
and
ask yourself, is this the type of individual I want to emulate?
huheyniaman wrote me once "I have no file on you," yet at a CAN
convention he brought along a folder with my correspondance to him. I
had cut off this dialogue because I perceived that he was not being
honest with me and indeed had information about me that could only have
been given him by other Scientologist knowledge reports about me.
So, if you want an example of how an OTVIII communicates, check out
huheyniaman's posts, and save yourself a few hundred thousand dollars.

*********

Povmec

unread,
Feb 14, 2006, 10:53:25 AM2/14/06
to

<snip>

Jesse Prince:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/816cb881eca05346

«There are no OTs in Scientology. There never have been and never will
be. There is endless BT hunting, but I can give you a hot tip on this
as well: There are no BTs either.»

He was OT8 in 1995... I wonder if this guy has been auditing out BTs
for the last decade, and if he is still auditing out BTs. The road to
total freedom: "Come audit out your BTs at 300$/hour(?). Good. Now go
spam internet until your next visit."

Ray, enjoying my unvarnished freedom.

realpch

unread,
Feb 14, 2006, 11:15:24 AM2/14/06
to

Was that the occasion where someone turned up with a folder with "Files"
writ large on it in red marker, like a prop from a bad Golden Era
Studios flick?

Peach

Muldoon

unread,
Feb 18, 2006, 7:58:34 PM2/18/06
to

The original post that triggered Truth Seekers pending nervous
breakdown.

0 new messages