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Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�

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�I am far ahead of my time�
is what some would want you to think and say:

"My knowledge extends very, very far,
above any one person or institution."


In Europe, do they actually let people like this run around
without a straightjacket?

--
Sir Gregory


Leonardo Been

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Severe Criminal Libel by context, history, and persistent malicious
intent, recorded for legal procedure.

On Fri, 03 May 2013 17:17:59 -0400, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

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Davis

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May 16, 2013, 9:18:13 AM5/16/13
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On 5/3/2013 2:17:57 PM, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·" wrote:
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>
> http://www.angelfire.com/space/platoworld/
>
> “I am far ahead of my time”
> is what some would want you to think and say:
>
> "My knowledge extends very, very far,
> above any one person or institution."
>
>

It would seem that one telltale sign of mental illness is when a person
believes that he -- and he alone -- has extraordinary knowledge, powers and
perceptions that no one else has. So rather than thinking that he might be
crazy or foolish, he thinks that everyone else in the world is crazy or
foolish but him for not seeing things the same way.

Believing he is like Plato or Da Vinci, a unique enlightened person with
immense knowledge and expertise -- understanding advanced concepts of
science, math and philosophy that will remain beyond the comprehension of
common man for centuries to come.

Or like being the only person in the world who understands and can tell the
difference between the "fake" Marty from the "real" Marty -- and not
realizing why it's not "obvious" (or even the least bit plausible) to anyone
else.

There comes a certain point when a person's imaginary world overtakes the
real world, at which point a person could be considered 'functionally'
insane, but I suspect there's no telling how many people remain stuck in the
vast twilight that separates sanity from insanity -- too delusional to
function properly in society, yet not so incompetent that they cannot live
independent and at least marginally-productive lives.

John Dorsay

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May 16, 2013, 10:38:42 AM5/16/13
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On 5/16/2013 9:18 AM, Davis wrote:

> Believing he is like Plato or Da Vinci, a unique enlightened person with
> immense knowledge and expertise -- understanding advanced concepts of
> science, math and philosophy that will remain beyond the comprehension of
> common man for centuries to come.

You understate the scale of Koos's lunacy. He does not believe he is
*like* Plato or Da Vinci. He believes he *was* both men in "past lives".

On the other hand, he believes that you and I and all his other
"libelers" were "past-life" murderers, and that our comments on his
homicidal lunacy are attempts to deflect attention from ourselves.
He is going to reveal all of our "past-life" crimes one of these
days, and then we'll all be sorry.


John

Davis

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May 17, 2013, 9:07:30 AM5/17/13
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On 5/16/2013 7:38:38 AM, John Dorsay wrote:
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> You understate the scale of Koos's lunacy. He does not believe he is
> *like* Plato or Da Vinci. He believes he *was* both men in "past lives".
>
> On the other hand, he believes that you and I and all his other
> "libelers" were "past-life" murderers, and that our comments on his
> homicidal lunacy are attempts to deflect attention from ourselves.
> He is going to reveal all of our "past-life" crimes one of these
> days, and then we'll all be sorry.
>
>
> John
>
>

I'm waiting for the day when Koos will calmly explain his side of the story
about his homicidal lunacy.

In all the years he posted here, has he ever talked about his family?

John Dorsay

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May 17, 2013, 11:57:35 AM5/17/13
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On 5/17/2013 9:07 AM, Davis wrote:

<snip>

> In all the years he posted here, has he ever talked about his family?

Yes he has. But not in a sane way. I will try to dig up some links.


John


John Dorsay

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May 17, 2013, 1:38:35 PM5/17/13
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A sampling. I won't comment; it speaks for itself.

RI-969i Jutta: "See me Great, or I kill you" - The main evil
https://groups.google.com/group/soc.rights.human/msg/7c01db026c5134ab?dmode=source&output=gplain

Koos Nolst Trenite - Facing the 'Scientology' demons and the
Anti-'Scientology' demons, and their vicious crimes on him regarding
his daughter - {HRI 20071025-V1.0.1}
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/c00ce59556408bde?dmode=source&output=gplain


Recounting and Refuting some of the Evil of Tulka on me, that
Demonic creatures love to repeat
https://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/20ad13b65828d68f?dmode=source&output=gplain

How the First Lady Tulka went down
https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/msg/6b530a3a5e4bfc86?dmode=source&output=gplain

Who Created The False Newspaper Article "About Koos"
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/414036a5058c6a1d?dmode=source&output=gplain


Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·

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May 17, 2013, 5:22:26 PM5/17/13
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"John Dorsay" <restim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That Koos REALLY IS a whack job if his delusional screeds are any indication.
It sure sounds like Scientology has caused him to be schizophrenic, paranoid,
delusional and in dire need of a lobotomy.

--
Sir Gregory

--
Sir Gregory


John Dorsay

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May 17, 2013, 7:48:07 PM5/17/13
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On 5/17/2013 5:22 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

> That Koos REALLY IS a whack job if his delusional screeds are any indication.
> It sure sounds like Scientology has caused him to be schizophrenic, paranoid,
> delusional and in dire need of a lobotomy.

The insane content of Koos's posts makes them hard enough to read.
The whacko formatting makes it that much harder. In response to the
earlier question about Koos's take on Freya's death, and posts
mentioning his family, I've reformatted (or to be precise, removed
most of the bizarre formatting) from this post:

Koos Nolst Trenite - Facing the 'Scientology' demons and the
Anti-'Scientology' demons, and their vicious crimes on him regarding
his daughter - {HRI 20071025-V1.0.1}
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/c00ce59556408bde?dmode=source&output=gplain


The text is unchanged.

Unlike most of Koos's writings, this one is far from laugh-out-loud
funny. It's worth a read though.

---------------------

Facing the 'Scientology' demons and the Anti-'Scientology' demons,
and their vicious crimes on Koos Nolst Trenite regarding his daughter

25 October 2007 {HRI 20071025-V1.0.1}
The purpose of a demon - whether incarnate (born), or not - is:

To destroy life, your life, any life.

I fought many years for the life of my daughter, nineteen years, to
be exact - my daughter who claimed she was a many-life-times lover
and soul mate of the 'Scientology' demon and guru, l. ron hubbard,
and, who claimed, that her life's essence consisted in helping him
achieve anything he, the demon l. ron hubbard wanted, and to cover
up for anything he did regardless of whether he was incarnate, or a
'free,' unfettered, 'dis-incarnate' demon (dis-incarnate, not in a
body, as l. ron hubbard became again after his death in January 1986
- a time after which my daughter suddenly switched, in the space of
an hour or so, after having been spiritually attacked by the demon
l. ron hubbard and the demon who is her mother, simultaneously,
making her give up the Energy she got from me, so that she, my
daughter, in the space of one or two hours, at the end of January
1986, CHANGED completely, from being (in my) Beautiful and
Intelligent (Energy) which she had been in for six years, since her
birth, to being (in the Energy of) intentionally (being) Ugly and
Stupid, Enjoying Malice and having Contempt for life and for others
(in the Energy, she was and remained, now) of the demons (of her
raven mother Jutta, a demonic personality, and of the - in 1986
released - demon l. ron hubbard), as she explained to me, when
asked, much later, about the dramatic change.

My daughter also frequently stated, that she wanted as well to be
with another demon, with Richard Reiss - whom you better know from
his previous life time as Heinrich Himmler - Richard Reiss, also a
'Scientology' demon, incarnate and having the highest position in
the 'Scientology' organization:

His position is supervising (as 'THE Senior Case Supervisor,'
residing in Clearwater, Florida, and supervising) the therapy of all
'Scientologists,' world wide. (There are an estimated 50.000 or less
'Scientologists,' an amount that is steadily dwindling.)

This - currently incarnate - demon, Richard Reiss (or Heinrich
Himmler if you like to remember him by his more famous identity and
activity) Richard Reiss is also a 'soul mate' of the mother of my
daughter, the mother is a demon as well, ('Carla' she liked to call
herself, to hide from the public it was she who perpetrated libel
and many other crimes on me), the mother is called Jutta Gentz, who,
while she was with me, sucking my Life Energy and destroying my
activities again and again, "because I had not made her sane yet,"
she called herself then Jutta Nolst Trenite (using my family name).

I fought many years for the life of my daughter. Nevertheless, at
Christmas Day (1999), when I checked how she, my daughter, was doing
- at Christmas Day, you know, when my attention was less on facing
evil and more focused on enjoying pleasant intentions - (you have to
know, that my daughter was spiritually constantly torn towards the
demons l. ron hubbard and Richard Reiss, both of whom appeared to
have a very great amount of hypnotic (Energetic}, actual,
irresistible control over her, to influence her feelings and
thoughts and desires, both of whom she considered to be her soul
mates, which is a strange concept amongst demons, but nevertheless,
it causes them to want to be together and to be Admired by each
other, and to share what (evil) they consider to be joyful) she
said, at Christmas day, when I checked how she was doing, before I
would go and work and be away for some hours, she gave the very
irrational remark, that 'She is not someone who likes to take
poison,' the thought with it, that I picked up at the same time,
was, 'She does not like people taking poison, as a means of suicide.'

Red flag, red flag, but - it being Christmas, and she joining us for
Christmas dinner, soon (she seemed to do well enough for that) - I
let it go by, 'just some irrational remark, some crazy thought that
must somehow have gotten into her mind, and that she wants to get
rid of by blurting it out, to me,' 'does not mean anything.'

She, my daughter, had been busy for many months, practicing to
inflict pain and even more deadly feelings onto people's bodies or
on plants, which she would later talk about to me, that she was
doing that:

People would start to sneeze or get a cold or feel pains, around
her, in town or when we made a walk in the countryside and met
people, she would project such Energies (Harmful Life Energy
Particles) to scare them away. And she would tell me, later, that
she created and projected the Energies that resulted in that. Also
plants in our house would get inexplicably sick, in a similar manner.

She apparently practiced it, creating and projecting deadly Energy
(Black Life Energy Particles), into the plant she had on her desk in
her room - she inflicted such a deadly Energy onto it, so
concentrated, that it, the plant, seemed still alive - but when
touched, all the tiny leaves fell off, having been paralyzed into a
state of death, already since some time, so it seemed - being too
dead, to start the process of falling off by themselves, is the
impression I got.

Whenever I went out of my way to please her, like bringing her some
nice pizza, when everyone else refused to have anything to do with
her, she would secretly hate me for being friendly to her, and also
the plant, which was a birthday present from me to her, became the
target of that hate, apparently.

Things she confessed to me, as part of my suggestion that she writes
down her problems, which she then did write down, copiously, not to
solve these, though, but to obtain my Energy for herself. Less alert
than usual, it being Christmas Day, I went away to work.

While I was working, some strange feeling occurred, at one moment,
that you probably know if you are sensitive - that "something of
some impact, has occurred." She had to hide from me WHAT it was,
that she was doing, so that I would not prevent it. I continued
working, till I finished, and then checked again on my daughter, as
she apparently had not left the bathing room. There I found her,
that is, her body, with a smile on her face that I will not easily
forget:

She had joined her 'lovers and soul mates,' the demons l. ron
hubbard and Richard Reiss... embraced she felt now, by their
"protective Energies of Admiring her, for 'being their soul mate,'
and for what 'heroic deed' she had done, now." All the efforts - the
resuscitation-efforts to get her heart going again - and any plea
for her soul to come back, were thus becoming futile. Apparently,
she tried but failed to drown her body, because she was lying next
to the bath, on the floor, when I found her - her body, that is,
lifeless, no soul around, which is not a nice condition to see your
own daughter in - after you have spent all your love and your
intelligence and time and trust and Energy and care, for nineteen
years, take her on outings almost every day, be always there for
her, make her have a joyful life, and teach her all you know, and to
listen to her problems and give advice and educate her about
anything that life demands one to know, and trying to keep her away
from evil, at least as much as is physically possible.

It is for caring parents, who have lost a child - for instance
losing a beloved child who turned to drugs despite all the life and
understanding you gave it - it is for such parents to share my
feelings of loss, if they wish.

From reading her Energies, and those of l. ron hubbard and of
Richard Reiss, it became obvious, that, what she had done to the
plant on her desk, the plant that I had given her for her last
birthday, she now also had done THE SAME to another present, you
might say, her 'first' birthday present that "I had (caused to be)
given to her," her body, at birth; what she had done to her own body:

Making its heart stop, inviting the harmful Energies of the demons
l. ron hubbard and Richard Reiss, to add to very intense and dense
Energies of Hate and Unconsciousness that can make a heart stand
still. I know this also, because they, in particular Richard Reiss,
tried to kill me (my body) in that manner, several times. Only, I
fiercely opposed it - my daughter, on the other hand, invited him,
begged him to do that to her heart. This much I sensed later, the
tremendous onslaught of Dark Red Hate Energy (Life Energy
Particles), that had been inflicted into her body's heart,
apparently by Richard Reiss. (As the faithful reader is aware, Life
Energy knows no distance, and no physical barriers.)

In the eyes of the mentioned demons, this was not just a "heroic
deed" in itself, that their "soul mate," my daughter, did, but with
it, she was ALSO creating the foundation now, for her raven mother,
the 'Scientology' demon Jutta Gentz (or "Carla"), to spread and get
lies accepted by others of very ill intent, in order to destroy my
life as well, that I hoped she had left for good three years earlier.

But BECAUSE I had been busy, for two years preceding, to investigate
and publish my very, very revealing findings ABOUT those very
demons, l. ron hubbard ('Scientology's highest guru) and Richard
Reiss (another very high 'Scientology' guru) and about the very
intense evil of her raven mother, Jutta Gentz, also a fervent and
relapsing 'Scientologist' - who are, in fact, three demons, three
past life mass murderers of vast magnitude, that are since many,
many life times 'soul mates in evil' - who seek to protect each
other from detection, who "defend" each other from those who can and
do see, and who "Admire each other so that they feel good and
invincible."

The whole purpose of 'Scientology' is to make people permanently
blind to seeing demons like them, and to make people governed BY
demons like them. Their intention and activity to destroy me, that
should be brought about based on misrepresenting the death of my
daughter, and on misdirecting towards me the Hate created and
fostered by these demons, that whole activity was meticulously
planned and financed, guided and executed by the 'Scientology'
organization, by creating false reports, getting these typed and
spread, rather ridiculously, actually, only backfiring on themselves
in the end, but that's what they do - hoping to gain a short-term
"win" against good people - in accordance with their well-published
policy on 'Handling Enemies of Scientology' ("enemies" meaning,
those who are actually friends and who thus do expose its crimes and
its pretense and so destroy 'Scientology,' that indeed does not want
to be exposed at all, so rather they preferred) to bring me down,
and in particular, to discredit my published research and to destroy
the credibility of my person, in the fashion that 'Scientology' -
and that any other dictatorship - is so well known for.

Just think of 'Scientology' as present-day North Korea, and you got
an idea of what the internal 'Scientology' organization is made up of.

The raven mother, Jutta Gentz, the mother of my daughter, is someone
who should go to prison, including those Criminal Minds she has
instigated to THEIR criminal acts. And she, Jutta Gentz, is
definitely one to be put in an insane asylum: She even knows herself
how insane - and that by her own standards - she is. It would be
wise to keep her in solitary confine- ment, to protect other inmates
from her vile, hypnotic force and her degrading intelligence, by
which she does manage to manipulate people, till she is ready to go
back to her hell, the hell of l. ron hubbard, in which demons do
admire each other 'unconditionally' and glorify the invincibility
that they achieve to feel "in their own reality," in their
Buddhistic 'Nirvana' of perfect 'demonity,' as long as they feel and
see and think exactly what the head demon, l. ron hubbard, allows
them to.

To make things worse for her, she is the one who IS an - also this
life time - murderer: Soon after giving birth to my third child, she
was suffocating it BECAUSE this new born was a normal, good person,
which she, Jutta, did not want to have in the family - it being a
threat to her and to what she was doing.

This is what my daughter's mother, Jutta, confessed to, writing it
down under a shower of tears that was supposed to pretend to me,
that "she does have a conscience" and that "she does repent," and
"has feelings about evil."

When I was held captive by the Criminals, she obtained the keys to
my house, and my lawyer by accident found her there, very busy
looking through the papers of my research, obviously to find and
eradicate any incriminating evidence, which however I had already
sent away.

Demons defend each other, they oppose exposure also of other demons.

So it is also with the 'Scientology' demons AND the Anti-
'Scientology' demons or 'critics,' which you might not expect.
The demons DEFEND EACH OTHER, and so they - at every opportunity -
have painstakingly taken care NOT to mention anything of what I
write here; and they - the demons DEFENDING EACH OTHER - have made a
lot of noise and the most ridiculous accusations, all in order to
try and make people NOT see, that ALL the actions, of my daughter's
raven mother, Jutta Gentz, were CONTINUOUSLY, since all those twenty
years, viciously evil, very amazing to any normal person, but that's
what they do, to 'stick together' against anyone like me, who cares
for life and thus automatically exposes demons, too.

One side justified with "Yes, she does evil and crazy things to you
and to herself, and to everyone, but 'Scientology' therapy can and
will change that:" "Just pay a few more hundred thousand for her
'Scientology' therapy, and that will make her sane for all life
times to come, and she will never destroy your life nor that of
others anymore;" and to 'non-Scientologists,' she could play the Van
Gogh act of "having such a hard life, that anybody must overlook any
evil she does or any responsibility she refuses to take" - as an
adult person with children, mind you.

And to the demons of course, she played, but demons don't easily
admit that - I got one to admit it, though, he confessed, that 'He
felt a very strong urge (an Energy) "to protect the demons from me
[from Koos looking at and seeing them]",' (to prevent their
exposure, and to hide them from my view, to prevent me from knowing
even where they are) "Help me, help me, someone (Koos) is exposing
me for what I am!"

Interesting, isn't it - the defense mechanisms Implanted in demons.
My daughter also had that, when I was looking for her mother, who
would run away every year or so, and not tell anybody, not any
friends or family, where she was and what she was up to - in order
to be undisturbed and free to be as evil and as ugly and malicious
as she felt like, as the demons make each other feel that they want
and enjoy.

Quite flabbergasting, and immensely disruptive of life, of family
life, indeed.

And when I found her then finally, sharpening my psychic abilities,
to do so, then "she was tremendously happy I found her" and "that I
released her from the grip of the demonic Energies she was compelled
to follow," days - or weeks, or months at times, as she
progressively got more and more clever to pursue her evil undetected
and to cover (also) her (spiritual) tracks.

That's how destructive demons are.

But then, when I found her, I was suddenly "the best husband in the
world, the person who cared more about her than anyone else."
However, the only thing demons do, is to destroy life, NO MATTER
WHAT YOU DO FOR THEM to help them.

And the more you help them 'to become sane,' the more clever they
get, in destroying life - including bringing YOU down, of course.

And of course I asked my daughter, as she revealed more and more of
her condition, now that she could not anymore hide behind her
mother, who had gone since years, hiding from her children also, as
usual, refusing to phone them even once, as usual, refusing to get
others to contact us about her, as usual too, whenever she left in
pretense, and when the normal ways did not improve my daughter's
spiritual condition, I asked her, of course, what do YOU think, I
could do to help you?

And she replied, astonishingly:

"Nothing - you can not help us. You can only leave us alone.

That's how we are, we do not want to be helped to be happy and normal."

This was something totally new to me, I was immersed in the
certainty, that anybody can be helped if the help is right and big
and long enough, to at least bring about an improvement.

I was struck indeed, knowing it was a true answer, as much as
another answer was also true that she gave about her own condition:

"I am not your (lovely) daughter, I am a murderer (by the nature of
my soul)!"

First of all, I am trained as a therapist to have anybody say the
most atrocious things to me, without me blinking as much as an eye.

Which you can not say from 'Clint Eastwood,' in the movie 'Back To
The Future III.'

Second, my first and only impulse, when someone says something that
is obviously true, especially of such magnitude, is to validate him
or her for doing so.

But later on, many years later, when feelings can be shared despite
the demons, the parent's heart does cry...
The demons make others blind to seeing and understanding evil as it is.

The activity of demons to destroy truth and to prevent publication
of truthful data about themselves, preventing it in order "to save
their own lives," was extensively supported, and the lies were and
are extensively heralded, by the Anti-'Scientology' demons, as you
can read on the Internet, because the PURPOSE of demons is, to
destroy life.

Thus the 'Scientology' demons AND the Anti-'Scientology' demons,
were and are working together, to bring that destruction about.

And facing and exposing that, is the subject and title of this Human
Rights Issue.

The purpose of ANY demon is, to destroy life, and they cooperate in
this, in order to destroy non-demons or normal people.

So it is rationally expected - no matter how unusual it seems, at
first sight, to us - that opposing demons hide each other's true
nature, when that helps them to - and it does, of course help them
to - destroy life.

I am used to the fact, that also the supporters or "friends" of the
'Scientology' demons AND of the Anti-'Scientology' demons, are much
too cowardly, to thank me for my work, so I expect the same now as
well, that they will not thank me for this Human Rights Issue either.

Further to that, it is me, who is the only one who actually DOES
face l. ron hubbard, the head guru of 'Scientology' - nevertheless,
the Anti-'Scientology' demons and their supporters or 'the critics'
deny, refuse and (not very successfully anymore) try to undermine
also that work of mine - and so 'the critics' try and destroy the
only one who really DOES face and DOES expose l. ron hubbard for
what that demon is and does, while others at best uncovered a very,
very tiny portion, of his, l. ron hubbard's, evil, too little
indeed, to bring about enough of an understanding necessary to
handle him and his evil activities.

After all, life is an entirely spiritual activity, no matter WHAT
the Medical Trade tells you to the contrary.

Why can I do what I do?

Because I am by far the most caring, the most beautiful and the most
intelligent and the most truthful person on Earth, and that since
very, very long.

Some say, it is stupid of me, to write these things down, as the
demons will attack and deny and try to destroy anything I write, as
they have done their very best, to do in the past.

Surely they will attack any truth that exposes them - at the same
time, they also continue to prove, to show you, that they ARE demons.

And you, contrary to the demon-friends, are supposed to NOT SUPPORT
demons and NOT let them do their evil, which these ALSO do to you.

THEY KNOW that I am talking the truth, THAT's WHY they are attacking
it so heavily.

There ARE people who like to know, and besides, who do you think
people believe for telling the truth: The demons, or me?

Koos Nolst Trenite 'Cause Trinity' human rights philosopher and poet
'God gave Solomon wisdom and very great insight, and a breadth of
understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore.'

1 Kings 4:29

__________ References:

'YOUR Role on Earth - A Very Simple Observation' {HRI
20070629-II-V2.1-Q1-V3.2} (2 July 2007 - Version 3.2 on 1 Aug 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/40b086a7aab7c87b

'Life Energy Vampirism - The MAJORITY of l. ron hubbard's, the
devil's 'critics,' is PROTECTING HIM FROM BEING LOOKED AT, amazingly
but true' {LEV note 20070804-V1.1.1} (4 August 2007 - Version 1.1.1)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/a7759df02f433098

'Why current 'critics' never will stop the 'Scientology'
organization' {note 20070522} (22 May 2007 - Version 1.1)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/4ab38288b1611d0c

'The Great Taboo of the 'Scientology' "critics" - 'Never talk about
any personal perception, past or present, of l. ron hubbard' '
{20070428} (28 April 2007 - Version 1.1 on 4 May 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/msg/7a55ba64d0116c00

'...frightened by the "huge amount of Demons" revealing themselves
and "responding" to my humor' {20070427-1} (27 April 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/msg/7ac23f23c3a43852

'Humor about 'Scientology's Dirty Tricks staff - On "Operation
Freakout" (to frame journalist Paula Cooper) PDF' {20070427-0} (27
April 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/msg/529b75e2af8456d1

'Dismantling Criminal Minds - Fine Particle Physics Major
Discoveries' ('How to become free of evil people') {FPP
20070331-V2.7} {HRI 20070331-V2.7} (31 March 2007 - V2.7 on 30 Apr
2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/c119dfc9bd620170
'(rev 2.0) How to get rid of l. ron hubbard and 'Scientology' - {HRI
20070331-V2.0} ... Major Discoveries'
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/b63fec3c5fd108af

'Who Created The False Newspaper Article "About Koos" ' (13 Oct
2002)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/414036a5058c6a1d '

____________ Verification:

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> On 5/17/2013 5:22 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
>
>> That Koos REALLY IS a whack job if his delusional screeds are any
>> indication.
>> It sure sounds like Scientology has caused him to be schizophrenic,
>> paranoid,
>> delusional and in dire need of a lobotomy.
>
> The insane content of Koos's posts makes them hard enough to read.
> The whacko formatting makes it that much harder. In response to the
> earlier question about Koos's take on Freya's death, and posts
> mentioning his family, I've reformatted (or to be precise, removed
> most of the bizarre formatting) from this post:
>
> Koos Nolst Trenite - Facing the 'Scientology' demons and the
> Anti-'Scientology' demons, and their vicious crimes on him regarding
> his daughter - {HRI 20071025-V1.0.1}
> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/c00ce59556408bde?dmode=source&output=gplain

I got no joy clicking the above link. It only says:

"The archive for this group is currently unavailable".

So, it's good that you posted it below but Koos will probably
say you made it all up and he'll put you on his severe criminal
libel list.
YIKES! The guy definitely has lost his marbles. I can't believe they let
people like that out of the asylums in Europe.

--
Sir Gregory



Davis

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> "John Dorsay" <restim...@gmail.com> wrote in

>> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/c00ce59556408bde?dmode=source&output=gplain
>
> I got no joy clicking the above link. It only says:
>
> "The archive for this group is currently unavailable".
>

I can access it just fine.

I was going to tell you some tricks for getting 'unavailable' GG content, but
you (and your sock puppets) have earned too many demerits for bad behavior
lately.

Davis

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On 5/17/2013 4:48:08 PM, John Dorsay wrote:
> On 5/17/2013 5:22 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
>
>> That Koos REALLY IS a whack job if his delusional screeds are any indication.
>> It sure sounds like Scientology has caused him to be schizophrenic, paranoid,
>> delusional and in dire need of a lobotomy.
>
> The insane content of Koos's posts makes them hard enough to read.
> The whacko formatting makes it that much harder. In response to the
> earlier question about Koos's take on Freya's death, and posts
> mentioning his family, I've reformatted (or to be precise, removed
> most of the bizarre formatting) from this post:
>
> Koos Nolst Trenite - Facing the 'Scientology' demons and the
> Anti-'Scientology' demons, and their vicious crimes on him regarding
> his daughter - {HRI 20071025-V1.0.1}
> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/c00ce59556408bde?dmodesource&outputgplain
>
>
> The text is unchanged.
>
> Unlike most of Koos's writings, this one is far from laugh-out-loud
> funny. It's worth a read though.
>
> ---------------------
>
> [snipped long screed]

I'm surprised that Koos did not reflexively spit out his usual "Severe
Criminal Libel, recorded for legal process" as he typically does in any
conversation that even remotely involves him -- though he obviously read this
thread, since he started a new thread to repost this exact same screed of his
from 2007.


Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�

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I just tried it again and it came up just fine this time. Must have
been a temporary Google archives cock up!!!

--
Sir Gregory


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> On the other hand, he believes that you and I and all his other
> "libelers" were "past-life" murderers, and that our comments on his
> homicidal lunacy are attempts to deflect attention from ourselves.
> He is going to reveal all of our "past-life" crimes one of these
> days, and then we'll all be sorry.

Oh come on John, you are more intelligent than this.

If we have lived before, there isn't a person alive who hasn't lead
a whole string of incarnations as serial killers, demonically possessed
crazies, politically corrupt assholes or whatever one's greatest fear
is.

This includes Koos, Hubbard, Christ and anyone else who has
lived in the MEST universe, so what's the big deal, that we might have
been serial killers, child rapists, or slave drivers, or that Koos
denies that he has been himself?

Anyhow, if anyone were to actually reveal our past crimes,
no matter how horrendous, we certainly wouldn't be sorry now
would we.

The way to happiness is a true confession.

Homer
>
>
> John
>

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>> "My knowledge extends very, very far,
>> above any one person or institution."
>>
>
> It would seem that one telltale sign of mental illness is when a person
> believes that he -- and he alone -- has extraordinary knowledge, powers and
> perceptions that no one else has. So rather than thinking that he might be
> crazy or foolish, he thinks that everyone else in the world is crazy or
> foolish but him for not seeing things the same way.

The tell tale sign of a person who is exceptional is humility and a
total absence of his advertising or hyping it publically to the world.

Homer

John Dorsay

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On 5/23/2013 2:47 PM, ho...@lightlink.com wrote:
> John Dorsay <restim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On the other hand, he believes that you and I and all his other
>> "libelers" were "past-life" murderers, and that our comments on his
>> homicidal lunacy are attempts to deflect attention from ourselves.
>> He is going to reveal all of our "past-life" crimes one of these
>> days, and then we'll all be sorry.
>
> Oh come on John, you are more intelligent than this.
>
> If we have lived before, there isn't a person alive who hasn't lead
> a whole string of incarnations as serial killers, demonically possessed
> crazies, politically corrupt assholes or whatever one's greatest fear
> is.

*If* we have lived before.

I enjoy reading your posts and find your discussions of dreamball vs
meatball interesting and thought-provoking. But I remain an
unapologetic meatball, and I therefore give no credence the
possibility of past-lives. While I know I cannot prove (in the
logical sense) that I live in a meatball universe, I can prove (in
the scientific sense) that indeed I do live in *this* meatball
universe, as do you and Koos and anyone else reading this newsgroup.

Is my scientific proof absolute? Of course not. Is it good enough to
satisfy you? I doubt it. But it's good enough for me. I could detail
it if you wish, but I suspect that you have already considered the
same premises that I have considered, and you have reached and
rejected the same conclusions that I accept.

> This includes Koos, Hubbard, Christ and anyone else who has
> lived in the MEST universe, so what's the big deal, that we might have
> been serial killers, child rapists, or slave drivers, or that Koos
> denies that he has been himself?

There is no big deal. Koos can "reveal" whatever he wants about my
"past lives". I expect I will mock and ridicule such revelations
with ease and delight. Sorry Homer.

> Anyhow, if anyone were to actually reveal our past crimes,
> no matter how horrendous, we certainly wouldn't be sorry now
> would we.
>
> The way to happiness is a true confession.

I suspect it all depends on the crime :)


John


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