Here's a link:

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=ful...

When you get there, scroll to February 21 and you will see two
podcasts listed as containing the interview with Bruce. Play the first
one first. Bruce's interview starts about 3/4 of the way through that
segment. Then play the second segment which is entirely devoted to the
interview with Bruce.

A very good overall brief for anons and anyone else interested.

Many thanks Bruce!

SME

Larry Brennan's latest show
http://www.lermanet.us/brennan3.mp3

more here
http://www.lermanet.com/audio

And a public service announcement
http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=tbw2tb2y53

suzicue

http://www.lermanet.com/audio/henderson.mp3  < beatings by miscavige

I've had a lot of comments about the show, Some old timers, who left
the Sea Org many years ago, said that they never experienced physical
abuse in the Sea Org. Well, I hadn't either, up to 2002. I believe
this is a fairly recent trend, at least to the degree it is practiced
now.

I worked at the Int Base for about 15 years before I encountered DM's
violence. I never knew that DM physically assaulted staff. It's a well
kept secret, even at the Base. It isn't talked about. It was only when
I began to regularly attends meetings with him that I discovered that
he does assault staff, and viciously. Over the last few years I was
there, it was getting increasingly worse.

I first became aware of this in June 2002. I was called up to the CMO
Int Conference room (which is now "The SP Hall"). I had submitted a
script a few days prior to this, so I knew that's what the meeting was
about. When I arrived at the conference room, it was packed - there
must have been 40 executives there - most of WDC and Exec Strata, as
well as key Gold execs. Everyone was crowded around one side of the
big conference table, leaving the other side for DM. After the usual
half hour or so wait, DM arrived, and he was fuming. He hated the
script, and proceeded to mercilessly make fun of it and me. He
strutted back and forth, and demanded that I "confess my crimes."
Obviously I was a criminal since I had submitted such a criminal
script. And he was obsessed with my facial expression (and I
subsequently discovered that he is obsessed with people's facial
expressions when they are in his presence - if you've read 1984, it's
what Orwell describes in that book as "facecrime.") "Look how he looks
at me!" he would shout. And the rest of the execs in the room,
completely cowed by this, would be telling me to "knock it off,"
having no idea, I am sure, what he was talking about.

Suddenly, and without warning, he leapt up on the conference room
table and launched himself at me. He slammed me up against a wooden
partition and proceeded to hit me in the face. Then he threw me to the
floor. I was in complete shock. I ended up laying on the floor with my
legs entangled in his. "Let go of my legs!" he screamed. I did. Then
he walked out of the room.

I was shaking, my shirt was torn, and my face stinging. An exec near
me said "Get up, get up - don't make him WRONG." Imagine that. I've
just been assaulted by the Chairman of the Board RTC, the head of
Scientology, and all they can think of is to "not make him wrong."

Needless to say, I was the Ethics target - of course. I was put on the
decks. And of course, I never spoke about this to the general staff.
My wife asked me why my face was scratched and bruised, and I said I
had fallen down. At this point, I was 56 years old.

Over the next few years, the assaults continued. He assaulted me and
others. Once he violently and repeatedly slapped me on the side of the
head, until my ears were ringing, then proceeded to hit Mike Rinder
and then throw Marc Yager to the ground. I once saw him attack Lyman
Spurlock, and older man many years his senior. I saw him throw Mike
Rinder off a chair onto the ground (And good on you, Mike, for
leaving).

Once when I was up in the "RTC Building" (Building 50), taking a tour
of the place with other execs, DM was passing me as he left one of the
rooms and suddenly, without warning, rabbit-punched me in the stomach.
He then said "I can smell Black PR a mile away," and walked off. I
tried to reply but I literally could not speak of breathe for a few
seconds.

Another time, he hit me several times in the face and actually drew
blood. He signaled to his assistant, Laurisse ("Lou") Stuckenbrock,
and she produced a vial of mercurochrome from her purse and proceeded
to dab it on my face. Like, this was business as usual. He said to me
at the time, "You know why I beat you up?" I said "No, Sir." He said
"To show you who's boss." He literally said this.

Another time he was talking to myself and Rick Cruzen, and he said,
"Look at him (meaning me - he loves to talk about people as if they
are not there). He'd like to take a swing at me. And you know what? I
hope he does. Because then I could REALLY unload on him." Exact quote.

Of course, other staff picked up on this and the worst of them began
imitating DM and beating up their own staff and juniors. Henning
Bendorff, the "Art Director Gold" was one of the worst. His standard
way of greeting me was to come up behind me and violently shove my
face into my computer keyboard. Once he threw me off a chair and I
ended up bleeding from the nose. What a stellar example of a
"Scientologist."

DM never hit women, to my knowledge. But he would goad women execs
into hitting women staff. The most willing of these was Lisa Allen
(Schroer), who has been on-and-off CO Gold for a number of years.
She's arrogant and vicious - the perfect DM tool. She once slapped my
wife at the time hard in the face. This was the type of person DM
promoted and lauded - those willing to follow his lead in the abuse of
staff. Janet Light (McLaughlin), ED of the IAS, also began hitting
staff, following DM's example.

In the last year I was there, the violence at the Base was escalating,
due to DM's example and pressure on execs to imitate that example.
When I was finally marked for "offload from the Sea Org" I not only
didn't fight it, but looked forward to it. I had worked for 30 years
to create what I conceived to be "a Scientology World." In my mind,
that was a place of communication, love and tolerance. But when I
finally saw the reality of a "Scientology World" at the Int Base, I
realized it was an abusive prison. And that IS what the world would be
like if organized Scientology ever got a foothold - lockstep
compliance to authority, and abuse and imprisonment for anyone who
questions that authority.

Some have asked, "why do people put up with this?" Well, I'll tell
you. First, there are always dozens of staff and executives around -
any one of them would intervene if you tried anything - to curry favor
with DM. Secondly, any attempt to fight back would mean instant
offload. Instant. And you can say "that's a good thing," and it is,
from our viewpoint on the outside. But if you're a dedicated
Scientologist, that means losing everything - your group, your
friends, your spouse or children, not to mention what you conceive to
be "your eternal salvation." I touched on this in the radio interview.

DM is your typical bully - a coward who only fights those who cannot
fight back.

All this is a bit long and rambling, but I hope it gives you some
insight into the violence. More to come on many other subjects.

Jeff

A third ex senior scientology staff member has now gone on the radio
(Thursday March 6, 2008) and spoke, amongst other things, about David
Miscavige's beatings of top scientology staff members.

Here is a link to this most recent program:

http://www.lermanet.com/audio/jeffhawkins.mp3

It is from the radio program "The Edge" hosted by Tom Smith.

In this program, Jeff Hawkins speaks about times of working with
Hubbard and later with David Miscavige. He goes into major human
rights abuses carried out through organized scientology especially on
the RPF ("Rehabilitation Project Force") and much more.

At about 21 minutes 20 seconds into the interview Jeff goes into an
example of how Miscavige intimidates other staff. Starting at 22
minutes 30 seconds into the interview Jeff gives examples of being
beaten by Miscavige himself. Starting at about 28 minutes 27 seconds
into the interview, Jeff talks of witnessing Miscavige beat Lyman
Spurlock, Mike Rinder and Mark Yager - then all top executives.

Starting at about 32 minutes 31 seconds into the interview Jeff
explains very well, in my opinion, why so many staff at the
international headquarters put up with the abuses and stay. And, why
they will lie about there not being such abuses.

Another very important point by Jeff is that the vast majority of
staff outside of the int headquarters and perhaps all the celebrities
know NOTHING of Miscaviges constant beatings and abuses of staff. They
are taught not to listen to such things.

But what is truly needed is to make these people aware of the truth.
Only through this will there be any chance of stopping the abuses.

I myself have spoken about Miscavige beating others on a number of
occasions. Here are a couple of links:

a) One of the radio programs that I did with Tom Smith:

http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/the-edge/

Starting at about 15 minutes 25 seconds into that interview I say the
following about Miscavige:

"....In that exact time period I have seen him at the church's
International headquarters. I've seen him take a top WDC member, punch
him hard on the mouth. Another one strangled down to the floor.
Another one slapped down. Because they wouldn't listen to him and
Hubbard. And all this time, Miscavige is saying in court, 'I'm not
involved in the running of it, we're all separate corporations' ".

Here is another link to one of many posts I have made about Miscavige
beating others when I spoke about being with Anonymous in Boston:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread...

If you look at the press links in that post, you will see some mention
of Miscavige beating others.

Then there is this link:

http://www.lermanet.com/audio/

While that link shows me in a Sea Org Commander's uniform in 1983 when
I worked with Miscavige and lists some radio programs I have done, I
wanted to direct your attention to the link re a show with Bruce
Hines. The link is not working at this minute but should be soon.

That is another show with Tom Smith where Bruce Hines, another top ex
staff member, did much of the talking. Like Jeff Hawkins did, Bruce
spoke of the human rights abuses on the RPF. He also spoke of David
Miscavige physically assaulting him.

So now that is three people all on radio talking of Miscavige's
physical abuses. I assure you that this is just the very tip of the
iceberg and much more will be coming to public light this year about
all this.

Press are being spoken to about this as well book writers and even
government officials abroad and even the FBI. Also much more is being
done to encourage others to give their examples of the truth so as to
expose and hopefully end the abuses.

Stay tuned.....

Larry Brennan - SME
_________________
"Oh, make no mistake. It's not revenge he is after. It's a reckoning".
- Doc Holiday

"I'm your huckleberry" - Doc Holiday

The solution is make people more confident and more willing to stand
up for themselves. If Mr. David Miscavige or anyone else takes a swing
at you, hit back! Don't just take it or else you'll keep getting it!

What disgusts me about the whole allegation, of course, is that
Scientology is all about training people not to accept non-optimal
conditions and to do something to improve it. If people really are
getting beaten up by management, then they need to ~~become~~
Scientologists and stop being Victimologists!!!

--
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 Arnie Lerma
http://ocmb.lermanet.us/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=381
http://www.Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
WE COME BACK
for our friends and family
to get them out of scientology
before they end up here:
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Hey kids, LAUGH at Scientology today!
http://www.lermanet.us/SPEpisode912TrappedintheCloset.rm

Go after the criminals, but don't generalize the criminals as ALL of
the church or ALL Scientologists. Get it?

Hate Crime enters into it when you or Anonymous are too lazy to
identify the real criminals and, instead, target everyone even
remotely associated.

I haven't been in the church for 15 years, but people here and on
youtube still blame me for the actions of the church or the actions of
specific individuals in the church. Why is that?

If you Hate the criminals, I will join you in turning them over to the
law enforcement authorities.
I think the Church of Scientology would be better without criminals,
if they do indeed exist within it.
However, if you Hate the Scientologists, I will call you anti-
religious extremist and hate criminal.

I told Chuck Beatty months ago that if he had real proof people were
being abused and held against their will at Int Base, I would gladly
rent a van, organize a rescue team (hopefully I would find volunteers
on ars) and go get them out of there!

But we all know it doesn't really work that way.

Enquiring minds want to know...

Incident zero: Ron trolled you

Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross

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"May you have partners."
 - old Jewish business curse

There is no free will when a person is hypnotized,
 there is only the will of the hypnotist.

There is a technique used to induce hypnosis called the
"Stage Hypnotists Attack method"

the following is NOT about that specific method but another method
using a similiar style of overpowering the target through abusive
epithets and thought stopping phrases.

A FAST hypnosis technique currently in vogue
This description of this particular technique seems so familiar,
anyone who recalls something like this, please email me..

Encyclopedia of Hypnotism by Carla Emery wrote:

The paternal induction style is abrupt, shocking, dictatorial, highly
authoritarian in tone, a domineering technique based on fear. A
paternal-style induction uses a fast, directive induction method with
a cold, unfriendly tone of voice. Ferenczi said that paternal hypnosis
reawakens the hating and fearing attitude learned by a little child
when disciplined by his parents. He said that, in paternal hypnosis,
the subject is motivated by need for "abasement" and for "compliance."
According to psychoanalysts, that need for abasement is an infantile,
erotic, masochistic complex.

Such a subject is in awe of the hypnotist, and submits to the
operator's demands out of fear of him.
...the hypnotist with the imposing exterior, who works by frightening
and startling...[is like] the stern, all-powerful father, to believe
in, to obey, to imitate whom, is the highest ambition of every
child...
[hypnosis] consists in the deliberate establishment of conditions
under which the tendency to blind belief and uncritical obedience
present in everyone, but usually kept repressed by the censor (remains
of the infantile-erotic loving and fearing of the parents), may
unconsciously be transferred to the person hypnotizing... (Ferenczi,
Sex in Psychoanalysis,Ch. 2)
[...]

Hypnosis always arouses a childlike state of mind: dependence and
transference. Transference means relating to the hypnotist as if to a
parent figure, hero, or godlike spiritual leader.

...the hypnotic subject is being directed to assume a state of mind in
which mature discriminations are excluded and childish dependence upon
the hypnotist is encouraged.

As some people are pleased to be in a state where life seems narrowed
down to an easily manageable level of closeness with a powerful
guiding parent, hypnosis is in no danger of extinction... (Kovel, p.
209)

In the midst of World War II, Margaret Estabrook reported, in a
Seattle newspaper, on research which created
an artificial childhood: ...hypnosis is a peculiar relationship
between two people. The hypnotist is a figure of parental authority,
just as a doctor is to a patient, or a teacher to his pupil. Even more
strikingly than in these other relationships, the subject tends to
respond emotionally to the hypnotist in the same manner that he
responded to his own parents in his childhood. In particular,
"parental" commands in the form of suggestions are readily obeyed...
(Margaret Estabrook, 1942, p. 1)
[...]
A hypnotist's use of authority can vary wildly. He can create the
state, then let the subject take full control; training in biofeedback
does that. At the other extreme, the hypnotist uses a totally
authoritarian strategy in which the subject never is expected to have
self-control in the hypnotic state again. Suggested total amnesia for
all events under trance may cause the subject to be consciously
unknowing of their hypnotic relationship. Complete amnesia is not
typical, however, even of deep trance events. Peter Wilhelm
Hypnosis, at best, is a special way of encouraging a
subject's unconscious mind to activate
its own capacity for healing. At worst, it can be the tool of an
abusive parasitizing of one mind by another for the purpose of
exploitation.

--------------

Also see
Hypnosis for Salesmen - this 61 page booklet describes TR0
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=4558
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic....=asc&start=285

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More on this rubbish
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The new motto of the Sea Org should be: "WE HIT BACK!"

Arnie lerma wtote:
A third ex senior scientology staff member has now gone on the radio
(Thursday March 6, 2008) and spoke, amongst other things, about David
Miscavige's beatings of top scientology staff members.

Here is a link to this most recent program:
http://www.lermanet.com/audio/jeffhawkins.mp3

From his post at OCMB:
[..]
"Some have asked, "why do people put up with this?" Well, I'll tell
you. First, there are always dozens of staff and executives around -
any one of them would intervene if you tried anything - to curry favor
with DM. Secondly, any attempt to fight back would mean instant
offload. Instant. And you can say "that's a good thing," and it is,
from our viewpoint on the outside. But if you're a dedicated
Scientologist, that means losing everything - your group, your
friends, your spouse or children, not to mention what you conceive to
be "your eternal salvation." I touched on this in the radio
interview.

DM is your typical bully - a coward who only fights those who cannot
fight back.

All this is a bit long and rambling, but I hope it gives you some
insight into the violence. More to come on many other subjects.

Jeff[..]

~ Mary