The Elfman family don't like gays?
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
[START]
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: a true story
Date: 12.06.2006
To: a...@xenu.net
Hello Just wanted to tell you my story that happened yesterday
on walking to my car on Los Feliz Blvd. I was a total innocent
lamb when I was verbally attacked by three people. I was
walking to my car in a t- shirt that I made that has an image of
Tom Cruise and the caption says Scientology is Gay! And on the
Back of the shirt is a picture of John Travolta and the caption
reads Very Gay! So as I passed a shirtless Bohdi Elfman and he
started screaming at me saying how dare you make fun of my
church! I replied just because you have tax exempt doesn't make
it a real church and the McDonald's franchise is older. Then he
got really mad and said that I had no idea what I was talking
about and I said I am well aware and schooled on this cult. Then
Jenna started to pipe in and asked me What Crimes I had
Committed? I said I have not committed any crimes. She stared at
me like a zombie and said the same thing. What crimes have I
committed and then said have you Raped a baby? And I looked at
her and said what? She repeated. Did you Rape a baby? I shook my
head and then she said you Raped a baby! I was totally blown
away meanwhile her husband was screaming at me and kept on
saying that the reason I was saying this was because I was a
homosexual (gee how did he know) to which I said what does that
have anything to do with anything if I was gay or not? I kept on
asking him about Xenu and he was about to punch me but he
hesitated because they were another man who when instructed by
the both of them would walk away and cover his ears when I asked
them about L. Ron Hubbards involvement with Alister Crowley,
Xenu and the death of Lisa McPersion. After a ten minute scream
session when Bohdi said all he does is help people and why was I
against that and Jenna kept on asking What is my crime...I
shouted I know what your crime is. You make shitty Television
Shows. Which Jenna screamed back "FUCK YOU"!
True Story and I have a witness!
Love
John Roecker
just google me!
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Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund # home.online.no/~heldal # www.xenu.net
Ph: +47 8800 6666 # Addr: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
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antispam-anti-scientology
"Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" <hel...@online.no> a écrit dans le message
de news: 35hs82lamgutg76rq...@4ax.com...
I'm skapetical that elfman would go into such arge publicly. Her crime cult is
already something horribly hated by most population...
r
Skipper
And if you'd ever met any of the Elfmans, particularly Richard, you'd
believe it even more.
In article <448e4d42$0$3135$636a...@news.free.fr>,
roger gonnet
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
120620062254392439%skipsp...@charter.net...
> Actually, if you'd ever met Jenna you'd completely believe that story.
> And if you'd ever met any of the Elfmans, particularly Richard, you'd
> believe it even more.
Oh really? So they are completely brainwashed now? Too bad.
Perhaps they could "fall back on their feet" if they learned that, (pure
hypothesis) Cruise and DM were lovers since their almost teens, or something
this sort. That would be such a fun... and such a spectacle!
Piltdown Man
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <hel...@online.no> wrote...
> Forwarded with permission:
>
> [START]
> From: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Subject: a true story
> Date: 12.06.2006
> To: a...@xenu.net
>
> Hello Just wanted to tell you my story that happened yesterday
> on walking to my car on Los Feliz Blvd. I was a total innocent
> lamb when I was verbally attacked by three people. I was
> walking to my car in a t- shirt that I made that has an image of
> Tom Cruise and the caption says Scientology is Gay! And on the
> Back of the shirt is a picture of John Travolta and the caption
> reads Very Gay!
Is there any particular reason you, a "total innocent lamb", were walking
around in a t-shirt with such obviously homophobic and Scientology-related
slogans on it, "XXXXXXXXXXXXX"?
> So as I passed a shirtless Bohdi Elfman and he
> started screaming at me saying how dare you make fun of my
> church!
And then you, total innocent lamb, just happened to run across an obscure
Scientology "celebrity" (the defining characteristic of Scientology
celebrities is that except for TC, JT and KA, nobody knows who the hell
they are), who's shirtless, starts screaming at you in public, and then his
wife joins in. Is there a Scientology White Trash Trailer Park on Los Feliz
Boulevard, and the Elfmans live there?
Quaoar
Whoa! Musta been a HATE CRIME! HUH? Premeditated HATE CRIME!
Pilt, old boy, did you know you have been defined, scientifically, as a
fraud?
Q
Keith Henson
<hel...@online.no> wrote:
Results 1 - 10 of about 12,300 for "John Roecker".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roecker
Jeeze.
Talk about a dumb move by cultists. Now Roecker is motivated to make
another cult related movie.
Keith Henson
Povmec
This John Roecker [http://www.montrealmirror.com/2005/071405/film1.html
] is already on the record as having been threatened (a bit left to
interpretation I guess), (he seems to have a lot of t-shirts about
scientology :-)
«"I HOPE YOU F-----ing DIE !!" - "I HOPE YOU DIE IN A HORRIBLE CAR
ACCIDENT!!"»
As reported first by Jeff Jacobsen «Another blogger confronts CoS»
[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/fe2e41046d230bd7
]
Originally reported by John Roecker himself there: "I got attacked by a
Scientologist today!"
[http://www.livefreakydiefreaky.com/blog/index2.php ]
In my opinion, this threat qualified to be on the list as it is a
direct wish to harm as a result of the suppressive person doctrine. The
list:
[http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/threats.html ] (keep
expanding..)
Maybe this one qualifies too... But even if not a clear threat, that's
for sure blind anger, result of the suppressive person doctrine ("can't
stand criticism"): "if you disagree with Hubbard's ideas, or the abuses
and wrongs resulting from the application of his ideas, you're evil."
Ray.
roger gonnet
"Keith Henson" <hkhe...@rogers.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
449455e3....@news2.lightlink.com...
dumb culties can't make smart moves. Original film makers can do smart movies -
Elfman playin' dumb cultie, do you believe that would be possible?
r
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" <hel...@online.no> wrote in message
news:35hs82lamgutg76rq...@4ax.com...
barbz
She's probably as insane as the rest of the "what are your crimes?"
crew. Perhaps moreso than most, being a celebrity. What do you think Tom
Cruise would do if he encountered such a shirt on the street?
--
--
Spidergraham
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Eldonbraun
> Nice idea for a shirt!
The more insulting shirts about Scientology, the better. I cherish
mine.
Zinj
> antispam-anti-scientology wrote:
<snip>
> > I'm skapetical that elfman would go into such arge publicly. Her crime cult is
> > already something horribly hated by most population...
> >
> >
> > r
> >
> >
> She's probably as insane as the rest of the "what are your crimes?"
> crew. Perhaps moreso than most, being a celebrity. What do you think Tom
> Cruise would do if he encountered such a shirt on the street?
Tom Cruise? On the *STREET*? That in itself sounds a bit iffy.
But, the whole story has the ring of truth to it. And, Jenna is almost
certainly oblivious to the general distaste for Scientology. Hell, she's
even announced publicly that HIV is psychosomatic.
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
Skipper
<r...@antisectes.net> wrote:
> "Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 120620062254392439%skipsp...@charter.net...
> > Actually, if you'd ever met Jenna you'd completely believe that story.
> > And if you'd ever met any of the Elfmans, particularly Richard, you'd
> > believe it even more.
>
> Oh really? So they are completely brainwashed now? Too bad.
>
> Perhaps they could "fall back on their feet" if they learned that, (pure
> hypothesis) Cruise and DM were lovers since their almost teens, or something
> this sort. That would be such a fun... and such a spectacle!
>
So many people to sue, so little money coming in...
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"barbz" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:qwyjg.1940$sP1.1523@fed1read07...
A "celebrity" with no publicity or career, that is. Lots of time on her
hands when they're not attached to the cans.
> What do you think Tom Cruise would do if he encountered such a shirt on
> the street?
"You're a jerk. A jerk. You're just a jerk. Such a jerk...", little
realizing that he was revealing his masturbation engram at the time.
Lisafer
over his t-shirt. There was a third guy there with an Atari t-shirt but
they kept ordering him to walk away when John was demanding that they
discuss Xenu. His t-shirt isn't homophobic at all (especially since
John is a gay man), it's hilarious and people die laughing wherever he
goes! We walked around the Los Feliz street fair for an hour or more
before the Elfman exchange and everyone LOVED his shirt. We were doing
nothing more than walking back to John's car when the Elfmans +1 saw
his shirt and yelled the first volley, something along the lines of
"you suck" or "your shirt sucks." Such a shame that two people that
spent so much money perfecting their confront would lose it in public
over something so silly. I was standing there in disbelief and Bodhi
kept telling me I was evil and to quit smirking-- truth be told I was
wearing a tiny Scientology medallion I bought off ebay but it's gold
and 100% tasteful, I assure you.( I believe that he mistook me for a
squirrel when really I am just a garden-variety wog.) I find CoS'
pseudo-Naval iconography very amusing, just like all "religious"
symbology and I refuse to take any of it seriously.
I especially cannot take Bodhi seriously when he tells me Lisa
McPherson died in a car wreck. Please! Do not take John and I for
fools, we continue to amass a library of ORIGINAL CoS materials
(including a training "body routing" DVD) and probably know more about
Scientology than they are allowed to.
Just FYI, I'm not the only witness to the exchange: there were hundreds
of people stuck in gridlock traffic on Los Feliz Blvd that saw or heard
bits of the screaming match. The actual date that it happened was June
11 at approx. 2pm and John's emails were sent out on June 12, not May
12...
blackdove
This story's on the dlisted blog now, a widely read gossip blog. Not
to mention, KROQ's domination of the LA morning crowd. ;-)
From
http://dlisted.blogspot.com/2006/06/jenna-elfman-is-crazy.html
Indie film director John Roecker was walking to his car in Los Feliz
while wearing a shirt with the slogan "Scientology is Gay" when a
shirtless dude and Jenna Elfman approached him. The shirtless dude was
Jenna's husband and he told John that he was making fun of his
religion. It's then that Jenna went ape-shit!
According to Roecker, whose encounter was first reported on LA's
KROQ-FM's Kevin and Bean Show, the invective started to fly after he
made several references to Scientology theology and its reported
central tenant, the story of Xenu.
Roecker says Jenna repeatedly said "What crimes have you
committed?" and began screaming at Roecker, "Have you raped a baby?" as
motorists on Los Feliz Boulevard drove by in snarled traffic.
Roecker says it appears that Bodhi Elfman prepared to take a swing
at him, but thought against it.
Bizarrely, Roecker also says that the Elfmans had a young,
twenty-something male companion with them whom they continually
instructed to move away and cover his ears whenever references to Xenu
were made.
Holy shit! Jenna Elfman is nuts! Scientology honestly turns your brains
into mush. I shouldn't be saying this, because those bitches are
powerful and will eff me up. I was thinking of becoming a Scientologist
just because with all the guys in there, I'd probably get a lot of
dick!
<<<<<<<<<<<
Cover your ears! Cover your ears! Xenu La la la la la la la...
-blackdove
Johnny Mike
"blackdove" <januar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150240045....@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Cool! I hope they give Jenna the clam whore all the media attention she
wants! Especially where she screams about raping babies. What a nice
complement to her "AIDS is all in yer head" bullshit.
>
> From
> http://dlisted.blogspot.com/2006/06/jenna-elfman-is-crazy.html
>
> Indie film director John Roecker was walking to his car in Los Feliz
> while wearing a shirt with the slogan "Scientology is Gay" when a
> shirtless dude and Jenna Elfman approached him. The shirtless dude was
> Jenna's husband and he told John that he was making fun of his
> religion. It's then that Jenna went ape-shit!
>
>
> According to Roecker, whose encounter was first reported on LA's
> KROQ-FM's Kevin and Bean Show, the invective started to fly after he
> made several references to Scientology theology and its reported
> central tenant, the story of Xenu.
>
> Roecker says Jenna repeatedly said "What crimes have you
> committed?" and began screaming at Roecker, "Have you raped a baby?" as
> motorists on Los Feliz Boulevard drove by in snarled traffic.
>
> Roecker says it appears that Bodhi Elfman prepared to take a swing
> at him, but thought against it.
>
> Bizarrely, Roecker also says that the Elfmans had a young,
> twenty-something male companion with them whom they continually
> instructed to move away and cover his ears whenever references to Xenu
> were made.
Too late! Xenu! Xenu! Xenu! Hopefully the kid's already blown. :-)
I should just change my name to I Hate Clam Celebs.
Johnny Mike
barbz
Scientologists were so sensitive?"
LOL...wish I'd been with you guys in my Scientology Kills shirt...it has
OTIII on the back. Paraphrased, of course. Clams love it.
And if you ever need footage of the dumb things invading a neighborhood
to spread their filth and lies, do contact me! Pass it on.
Android Cat
> As Jerry Seinfeld said in that New Jersey garage episode..."Who knew
> Scientologists were so sensitive?"
>
> LOL...wish I'd been with you guys in my Scientology Kills shirt...it
> has OTIII on the back. Paraphrased, of course. Clams love it.
>
> And if you ever need footage of the dumb things invading a
> neighborhood to spread their filth and lies, do contact me! Pass it
> on.
You know, I'm thinking .. new TV series, kind of an Odd Couple riff:
/Dharma and Xenu/
She's a Scieno fruitbasketcase celeb who's not going to age gracefully.
He's a semi-retired alien Galactic Ruler.
They share a house.
What could go wrong?
--
Ron of that ilk.
Skipper
<androi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Travolta shows up in drag in the first episode.
Vonni Ribisi plays a loveable goofy schlub in the second.
They do a cross-pollinization show with "My Name Is Earl" in the third.
Kirstie Alley stars in the "Fat Chick with Fabulous Farts" fourth
episode.
Priscilla Presley does "Botox Baby" and pleads the fifth.
CW!
Zinj
says...
It could have some great underplayed running-gag props:
A picture of Ron on the wall that follows everyone with its eyes
A box with a hand called 'Regge' that randomly reaches out and picks people's
pockets.
Crazy Aunt Lucy, the 'Type Three' who is kept in the basement and fed bananas
and CalMag (great product placement!)
And Xenu would always be feeding the unsuspecting his patented 'Glycol
Cocktails', causing Dharma to have to rush to the medicine cabinet for the
niacin overdoses.
It goes on and on.
Zinj
--
Scientology: The Science of Believing Anything You Like
This is the 'Tech' This is the Session.
Dilbert Perkins
ewsnead
"Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" <hel...@online.no> wrote in message
news:35hs82lamgutg76rq...@4ax.com...
Check out the following:
It appears that Jenna Elfclam's husband, Bodhi Elfclam is even shorter than
Tom Cruise. It must have been hysterical to be confronted by a shirtless,
screaming midget, performing his Scientology TR's midday in the middle of a
busy thoroughfare with his Allison Hayes sized wife egging him on. Lord,
give me strength.
"Waiter, I'll have a full order of steamed clams with a side of entheta to
chase 'em down."
ewsnead
Android Cat
Okay, maybe an Adams Family flavour.
And Xenu would have old alien buddies who show up, the 12 bankers, the Sykes
from next-door, or people he knew in their previous lives. (Plot assumes
Xenu escaped ages ago and has been present but low-key and disguised
throughout all human history. This allows endless comic historical
flashbacks of Xenu at the pyramids, Magna Carta, etc) This would create
friction and fun when Dharma has her friends over. (Possibly with guest
appearances, like John Travolta. "So John, I hear you fly a 707. I'm more
of a DC-8 kind of guy, only with rockets...")
Think: Third Rock meets Jim Jones, it could be big!
Piltdown Man
Quaoar <qua...@marcabfleet.com> wrote...
<snip>
> > And then you, total innocent lamb, just happened to run across an
> > obscure Scientology "celebrity" (the defining characteristic of
> > Scientology celebrities is that except for TC, JT and KA, nobody
> > knows who the hell they are), who's shirtless, starts screaming at
> > you in public, and then his wife joins in. Is there a Scientology
> > White Trash Trailer Park on Los Feliz Boulevard, and the Elfmans
> > live there?
>
> Whoa! Musta been a HATE CRIME! HUH? Premeditated HATE CRIME!
*What* must have been a hate crime? All that has been posted is a silly
story written by someone who claims to wear a t-shirt, which he made
himself, with a picture of Tom Cruise on the front with the caption
"Scientology is Gay!", and a picture of John Travolta on the back with the
caption "Very Gay!" OK, so at least he's honest about being homophobic.
Wearing this shirt, he just happened to run across some Scientology
pseudo-celebs on the streets of LA, one of them shirtless, who engaged him
in a public slanging match.
> Pilt, old boy, did you know you have been defined, scientifically, as a
> fraud?
You really don't get why I find this story (a) factually very dubious, and
(b) that t-shirt personally offensive, do you? (It sort of reminds me of
the stories Gary Scarff used to post about his supposed encounters with
celebrities. Some people here also took those seriously, and discussed them
as if they were reports of actual events.)
Piltdown Man
Keith Henson <hkhe...@rogers.com> wrote...
<snip>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roecker
>
> Jeeze.
Jeeze indeed. That Wikipedia article consists almost exclusively of the
same email that started this thread.
> Talk about a dumb move by cultists. Now Roecker is motivated to make
> another cult related movie.
Based on his past "career", the chances of anyone ever seeing such a movie
would be miniscule.
Come to think of it: maybe he could be persuaded to direct a remake of The
Profit, that classic anti-Scientology blockbuster?
Piltdown Man
Eldonbraun <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote...
> Rev. Norle Enturbulata wrote:
> > Nice idea for a shirt!
>
> The more insulting shirts about Scientology, the better. I cherish
> mine.
Nice to know that you consider saying someone or something is gay is an
insult.
Somehow, I don't think we will be collaborating on any future translation
projects.
Phil Scott
Jenna Effmans SOMO mission in San Francisco (600 block of
Mission street, just south of the very rich section of the
financial district on Market.... folded.
it is now the law offices of some shark attorney...Bumbarten
or some such. the cults sign originally painted onto an old
40's neon with the tubes broken out... is scraped off.. its
blank white now.. looks like someone painted it with a
broom....
a cardboard sign in the window says the attorney will move in
shortly. That was last week.
On my way out of the city I cruized past the SF org, in the
old transamerica building...catty corner from the new trans
america building... it sits there empty in tones of alien
grey, looking like alien too with with its maw
open...waiting.. but alas...no raw meat in sight.
Now, everytime a current member buys a new computer...guess
what? It has no net nanny... or the kid gets one..no net
nanny...and being scientologists guess what? These will tend
to search the term... then its over.
another exscientologist in the making.
Good advice for someone you wish to get out of
scientology...offer them a new computer... suggest that Google
as all kinds of good things on it about scientology...and it
does... it does... thousands of web sites with all the good
things about scientology...
and a few on the other side of the story.
Phil Scott
barbz
Give it another few months, the concept might actually be viable!
Johnny Mike
"Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
news:01c68f74$ac4020e0$LocalHost@gateway...
>
> Quaoar <qua...@marcabfleet.com> wrote...
>
> <snip>
> > > And then you, total innocent lamb, just happened to run across an
> > > obscure Scientology "celebrity" (the defining characteristic of
> > > Scientology celebrities is that except for TC, JT and KA, nobody
> > > knows who the hell they are), who's shirtless, starts screaming at
> > > you in public, and then his wife joins in. Is there a Scientology
> > > White Trash Trailer Park on Los Feliz Boulevard, and the Elfmans
> > > live there?
> >
> > Whoa! Musta been a HATE CRIME! HUH? Premeditated HATE CRIME!
>
> *What* must have been a hate crime? All that has been posted is a silly
> story written by someone who claims to wear a t-shirt, which he made
> himself, with a picture of Tom Cruise on the front with the caption
> "Scientology is Gay!", and a picture of John Travolta on the back with the
> caption "Very Gay!" OK, so at least he's honest about being homophobic.
> Wearing this shirt, he just happened to run across some Scientology
> pseudo-celebs on the streets of LA, one of them shirtless, who engaged him
> in a public slanging match.
The man who made and wore the shirt IS gay...
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
news:01c68f74$ac4020e0$LocalHost@gateway...
>
>
> <snip>
>> > And then you, total innocent lamb, just happened to run across an
>> > obscure Scientology "celebrity" (the defining characteristic of
>> > Scientology celebrities is that except for TC, JT and KA, nobody
>> > knows who the hell they are), who's shirtless, starts screaming at
>> > you in public, and then his wife joins in. Is there a Scientology
>> > White Trash Trailer Park on Los Feliz Boulevard, and the Elfmans
>> > live there?
>>
>> Whoa! Musta been a HATE CRIME! HUH? Premeditated HATE CRIME!
>
> *What* must have been a hate crime? All that has been posted is a silly
> story written by someone who claims to wear a t-shirt, which he made
> himself, with a picture of Tom Cruise on the front with the caption
> "Scientology is Gay!", and a picture of John Travolta on the back with the
> caption "Very Gay!" OK, so at least he's honest about being homophobic.
That's not a very effective way to pursue your clam invective mission. The
person you accuse (however cowardly) of being "homophobic" happens to be
gay, you twit.
--
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http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
* "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
You mean that film your nut-cult abused the courts into blocking out of fear
of criticism? Hm, a bit like your efforts at quashing free speech isn't it?
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
>
> Eldonbraun <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote...
>
>> Rev. Norle Enturbulata wrote:
>> > Nice idea for a shirt!
>>
>> The more insulting shirts about Scientology, the better. I cherish
>> mine.
>
> Nice to know that you consider saying someone or something is gay is an
> insult.
Get out of the basement at Big Blue sometime and besides that thing called
"sunlight", you'll find that the term "gay" is also used quite a lot to mean
"lame". Are you allowed to watch South Park?
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:130620062025373252%skipsp...@charter.net...
There should be an episode or three involving a closet, neh?
barbz
Since the guy wearing the shirt is gay, I don't know what you're on
about. I think the word 'gay,' which was hijacked by the gay community,
has now been hijacked back by the generation that brings you South Park,
where gay is used in a way that really has nothing to do with
homosexuality. That's my theory, anyways.
barbz
> "Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
> news:01c68f74$8fcd1bc0$LocalHost@gateway...
>
>>Keith Henson <hkhe...@rogers.com> wrote...
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roecker
>>>
>>>Jeeze.
>>
>>Jeeze indeed. That Wikipedia article consists almost exclusively of the
>>same email that started this thread.
>>
>>
>>>Talk about a dumb move by cultists. Now Roecker is motivated to make
>>>another cult related movie.
>>
>>Based on his past "career", the chances of anyone ever seeing such a movie
>>would be miniscule.
>>
>>Come to think of it: maybe he could be persuaded to direct a remake of The
>>Profit, that classic anti-Scientology blockbuster?
>
>
> You mean that film your nut-cult abused the courts into blocking out of fear
> of criticism? Hm, a bit like your efforts at quashing free speech isn't it?
>
Is Piltdown Man a Scientologist?
l.l.lipshitz
"Rev. Norle Enturbulata" <noteart...@norhotmail.com> wrote:
| "Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
| news:01c68f74$5ee3bf00$LocalHost@gateway...
| >
| > Eldonbraun <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote...
| >
| >> Rev. Norle Enturbulata wrote:
| >> > Nice idea for a shirt!
| >>
| >> The more insulting shirts about Scientology, the better. I cherish
| >> mine.
| >
| > Nice to know that you consider saying someone or something is gay is an
| > insult.
|
| Get out of the basement at Big Blue sometime and besides that thing called
| "sunlight", you'll find that the term "gay" is also used quite a lot to
| mean
| "lame". Are you allowed to watch South Park?
'now it's used by ignorant (and often prejudiced)
people to describe something that they don't like. It's
especially common among teenage boys, who use it to
look cool or to 'hide' their insecurity about gay
people.'
'a word immature assholes use to describe anything
that sucks, without regard to its actual sexuality.'
'used by heterosexuals towards one another as an
insult.'
'a derogatory synonym for 'stupid' or 'annoying' (use
in this way is considered extremely offensive).'
'an insult made by whiny teenage boys to look more
masculine. it is mentioned at least 1000 times a day
in middle school. also used for anyone who doesn't
say gay as an insult or who sticks up for gay people
who are picked on.'
'used in place of 'stupid' for people too lazy to say
two syllables. most often used by closet cases.'
'anything negative a teenager couldn't find better word
for fast enough.'
'used to discriminate; describe distasteful objects or
people.'
'as an expression of anger or frustration, a quick
insult, despite that most of the time it has nothing
to do with sex whatsoever. *i do NOT recommend this
usage; many gays, myself included, are offended by
this.*'
'do not use the word gay to describe something that
you don't like. it is not only immature and makes you
look like a homophobic ten year old, but it also
perpetuates the stereotype that gay people are somehow
inferior.'
hth. (from urbandictionary.com)
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
it would be easier to pay off the national debt
overnight than to neutralize the long-range
effects of our national stupidity -fz
Povmec
It is my opinion that John Roecker was being irreverend, and
probablement find amusing taunting scientologists, since it's not the
first time it happens to him. I see the t-shirt as a double sided joke:
scientology is lame, and about the persistent rumours about Cruise and
Travolta being gay -- and using scientology "tech" to be fixed...
But whether John Roecker is ill-intentioned or not so relevant as the
reaction of Jenna Elfman: screaming "Have you raped babies?" in the
middle of the street is what matters to me. This kind of behavior is a
direct result of being a sponge for Hubbard's hate scriptures, "Show me
any person who is critical of us and I'll show you crimes and
intended crimes that would stand a magistrate's hair on end." to name
one. Nothing justify that kind of reaction, it is my opinion that a
reasonable person easily ignore that kind of taunting and move on, but
Hubbard's scriptures give them the tools to feel and express irrational
anger. So much for the "cleared reactive mind."
In his way (right or wrong), Rocker certainly exposed an important
belief of scientology with that event, that people critical of
scientology have hidden crimes.
Ray.
Android Cat
> On 13 Jun 2006 07:01:49 +0200, Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
> <hel...@online.no> wrote:
>
> Results 1 - 10 of about 12,300 for "John Roecker".
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roecker
>
> Jeeze.
>
> Talk about a dumb move by cultists. Now Roecker is motivated to make
> another cult related movie.
Is there a better cite for Roecker's account of events than a usenet post of
an email?
Under Wiki Verifability rules, there's no way to verify that John Roecker
sent that email. (I can check the usenet headers to see if Andreas probably
posted that, and I trust that Andreas checked the email to see where it came
from, but that's all beside the point for a Wiki article.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability
Verifying that any of the events happened as John Roecker said is a
different thing, but it can stand as his account if it can be verified that
he said it.
Povmec
I would think this one is good enough, since it also contains both
sides of the story:
http://www.tmz.com/2006/06/13/when-elfmans-explode/
Ray.
Scamology
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net wrote:
Keith Henson
>In <9rMjg.45953$4L1....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Dilbert Perkins
><dilbert...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>Here's the complete story, with pictures:
>>
>>http://www.tmz.com/2006/06/13/when-elfmans-explode/
snip
286 comments in 24 hours. That's on a par with a.r.s. TS and BS
should be posting there.
Keith Henson
PS. One of the comments is:
30. I am an attorney as well and I can tell you with 100% certainly
that Scientology is a freaking CULT! My sister was a Scientologist and
when she attempted to leave, they attacked her and would not leave her
alone for over three years. Freedom of religion is one thing. Criminal
activities is another. I will NEVER watch another show with Jenna
freak and Bodi freak in them again.
Posted at 4:53PM on Jun 13th 2006 by Geneva Hilton 0 stars
********
Any ideas on a contact for Geneva Hilton?
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Povmec" <pov...@xenu-directory.net> wrote in message
news:1150302904....@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
Yes, and the Scientology side is pretty much what the public expects from
the cult. Old dog, old tricks.
Scamology
> that Scientology is a freaking CULT! My sister was a Scientologist and
> when she attempted to leave, they attacked her and would not leave her
> alone for over three years. Freedom of religion is one thing. Criminal
> activities is another. I will NEVER watch another show with Jenna
> freak and Bodi freak in them again.
The most sane statement about Scientology on ARS today.
Tilman Hausherr
some interview that she had found out that people were "suppressing"
her.
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/jenna-elfman.html
--
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Marty Rathbun deRothschild
Piltdown Man wrote:
> Quaoar <qua...@marcabfleet.com> wrote...
>
> You really don't get why I find this story (a) factually very dubious, and
> (b) that t-shirt personally offensive, do you? (It sort of reminds me of
> the stories Gary Scarff used to post about his supposed encounters with
> celebrities. Some people here also took those seriously, and discussed them
> as if they were reports of actual events.)
Garry Scarff lives in West Hollywood which borders the City of Beverly
Hills in the Los Angeles area. Someone would have to be absolutely
insane to believe that he would ever encounter any celebrities.
As this group's favorite Nazi once posted, celebrities never go out in
public..they have their assistants do everything for them.
I am being defamed and forged here
Anonymous Info...@mindless.com IS Garry "Garrett" Scarff talking about
himself in the 3rd Person. But he is right, he doesn't encounter
celebs, he makes the stories up on them.
It is time filing new complaints to the authorities about the slime
ball.
Barbara Schwarz
P.S. I don't like gays like Garry who thinks he is Scarry either.
Death treat maker, threats of violence maker, forger, sexual harasser,
other kind of harasser, liar, defamer, abuser and stalker Garry Lynn
Scarff from Hollywood, California, continues to forge and abuse me. He
goes now by the name Garrett!
Inform yourself about him, and write your complaints to the LAPD and
the FBI. Scarff needs to be jailed, without Internet access.
This is his IP number: 194.109.206.212, mine is very different.
Barbara Schwarz
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Garry+Scarff&qt_s=Search
The are some of Garry (Garrett) Scarff's e-mail addresses:
Anonymous.Informer @ mindless.com (Note: the original Anonymous
Informer
is an author in Hawaii)
Barbara.Schwanz @ gmail.com
BarbaraSchwarz @ mad.scientist.com
Barbara_Schwarz @ myway.com
Boobara.Schwarz @ emailaccount.com
Barbara_Schwarz @ emailaccount.com
Bobblehead_Schwarz @ myway.com
Dicktop_stud @ mindless.com
Garry90069 @ yahoo.com
GarryScarffsu...@excite.com
Notmylazypsy...@emailaccount.com
Theonewhoisadelusionalpsychop...@emailaccount.com
Theonewhoshallnotspeak...@emailaccount.com
Theonewhoisadelusionall...@emailaccount.com
MRathbun @ scientology.org
Wehoga...@yahoo.com
These are some of his harassing and defamatory posting ID's on Usenet
and Google:
About Gmail terrorist stalker Barbara Schwarz
Anuslytical Publication
Analytical Publication (stolen from other author)
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara_Schwarz
Barbara Schwanz
Barbara Schwaz
Barbara Schwarz is madly in love with Garry Scarff
Barbara Schwarz is the Anti-Christ
Barbara the lying Schwarz
Barbara the Whore Schwarz
Barbara Full-of-Shit-Schwarz
Barbara Dogshit-Schwarz
Barbara Schizo
Bonehead Schwarz
Babble Schwarz aka Obon
Babblin' Schwarz
Babbling.Barbara.Schwarz
Babblin' Barb's best buddy, Garry Scarff
Babbling Schizo Schwarz
Babblin' Schizo Babs Schwarz
Babblin' schizo Boob Schwarz' imaginary husband Mark Rathbun
deRothschild
Babbling Retarded Monkey Barbara Schwarz
Babbling Bimbo Barbara Schwarz
B-B-Babblin' Barbara Schwarz
Babba Schwarz
Baboora Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz' future is on the chain gang giving blowjobs to inmates
Barbara Schwarz transforms Usenet in Abusenet and Schizo-net
Build a better world without Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz is forging and defaming Garry Scarff as favor for the
non-existent SEGNPMSS
Barbara Schwarz' nuts
Barbara Schizo Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz has plan to kill people with poison
Barbara Schwarz admitted she spent 5 years locked up in Utah mental
hospital
Barbara Schwarz admitted she was committed to German & Utah mental
institutions
Barbara Schwarz is a mentally disturbed monkey and useless bum
Barbara Schwarz has many police files within Salt Lake City police
Barbara Schwarz-needs-to-be-neutered-and-given-a-flea-dip-operation
Will they ever learn Barbara Schwarz is totally nuts?
Barbara Schwarz dePsycho transforms Usenet in Spamnet, Lienet,
Threatnet, Forgernet and Abusenet
Barbara Schwarz' mother: Barbara is a mentally disturbed liar@thief
Barbara Schwarz' mother: My daughter is a lazy, pathetic little whore
Barbara Schwarz' mother: Barbara Schwarz is nuts and needs to be
locked away in an insane asylum
Barbara Schwarz humps fire hydrants
Batshit Barbara Schwarz
Bozo Schwarz
Bozo Schwarz the Clown
Bonkers Schwarz
Bobblehead Schwarz
Bumbling Dumbass Schwarz
Big Boob Schwarz Usenet in Spamnet, Lienet, Forgernet and Abusenet
Big Boob Schwarz Usenet in Spamnet, Lienet, Forgernet, Kooknet,
Comedynet, Delusionalnet, Abusenet and Convicted Thiefnet
Bab's imaginary husband Mark Rathbun de Rothschild
Barbara Schwarz is a notorious psychotic liar, an identity stealer, an
ugly cow and a disgrace to the human race
Barbara Schwarz, former Utah State Hospital Psychiatric Patient #
PR-65987-UT
Criminal convicted schizophenic Barbara Schwarz
Criminal convicted thief@lonely lesbian Barbara Schwarz
Criminal ugly, stupid & insane Barbara Schwarz
Criminal insane stalker Barbara Schwarz is afraid of Garry Scarff's
attorney
Convicted thief & mental retard Barbara Schwarz
Dumbass Barbara Schwarz
Exposing Boob Schwarz's lies
Kearsley's cursed whore Babs Schwarz
Imaginary Scientologist Barbara Schwarz
Imaginary Mark Rathbun de Rothschild's sexy stud muffin husband, Garry
Scarff
Imaginary Marty de Rothschild
ID stealer Barbara Schwarz is afraid of imaginary Mark Rathbun's and
Tom Cruise's attorney Nazi doctor Barbara Schwarz
If Barbara Schwarz is a Scientologist I am the King of England
Jew hating bigot Barbara Schwarz
Major Kook Barbara Schwarz' imaginary gay curse Mark Rathbun de
Rothschild
Mentally retarded nun Sister Babbles Schwarz
Mentally ill crybaby criminal Barbara Schwarz
Mentally retarded lesbian stalker Barbara Schwartz
Mentally ill loudmouth Barbara Schwarz' imaginary husband Mark Rathbun
de Rothschild
Morticia Schwarz
Marty Rathbun de Rooty Tooty (using e-mail address
BarbaraSchwarz @ mad.scientist.com)
Nazi doctor Barbara Schwarz
New SLPD file no: 05-2241 on stalker & mentally disturbed liar Barbara
Schwarz
Operation Criminal Barbara Schwarz needs to feel the boot of justice
up her bony ass
Patrick Michael Sullivan's Psycho Sister Barbara Schwarz
Psychiatric defamer Barbara Schwarz
Psycho Schwarz imaginary homo husband Mark Rathbun de Rothschild
Psychotic stalker Barbara Schwarz' imaginary husband Mark Rathbun de
Rothschild
Proverbs 12:12 lying lips are abomination of the lord, Barbara Schwarz
Psychotic stalker & Lesbian curse Barbara Schwarz
Psychotic Space Cadet Barbara Schwarz
Proud to be psychotic Barbara Schwarz
Scientology/Osa's covert work product Barbara Schwarz
Schizo Barbara Schwarz transforms Usenet in Spamnet, Lienet, Forgernet
and Abusnet
SEGNPMSS Lesbian Curse Barbara Schwarz
Sex Fiend Barbara Schwarz
SMEGMAPUSS sweetie Babs Schwarz
Schizophrenic Barbara Schwarz' favorite stalking target
Still_lying_about_Marty (using e-mail address Barbara_Schwarz
@myway.com
After I posted with posting ID "I am defamed here", Garry Scarff posted
his vulgar postings with ID "I am deflamed here".
The Schwarz Fountain of Poop
The lonely & laughed at kook Barbara Schwarz
The real cow Barbara Schwarz
The real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild
The LAPD ignores & laughs at kook Barbara Schwarz
Lying Bablle Schwarz
SEGNPMSS Frau Babble Schwarz
Will they ever learn Barbara Schwarz is totally nuts?
Spamming Nutscase Schwarz
Schizo Slut Schwarz
Blowjob Schwarz
Blowjob Babe Schwarz
Schizophrenic terrorist Babs Schwarz
Beanhead Schwarz
Batshit Crazy Schwarz
Bumbling Schizo Barbara Schwarz
B-Schwarz-crap detector
John Vreeland
<Stilllov...@myway.com> opined:
You and Gary should get married, Barbara.
--
My credentials? I have good karma on Slashdot.
---John Vreeland (Vreejack)
I am being defamed and forged here
John Vreeland wrote:
> On 14 Jun 2006 19:26:44 -0700, "I am being defamed and forged here"
> <Stilllov...@myway.com> opined:
>
> You and Gary should get married, Barbara.
Why should a fine lady as I marry a lawless forger bum? You fit to
Garry, you marry him.
I am already married to Marty, remember? I don't commit bigamy as you
would.
Barbara Schwarz (Looking for the original Mark [Marty] Rathbun. No
impostor, please!)
http://www.thunderstar.net/~schwarz/lrh/fbidocs.html
--
(I am concerned about Dave Touretzky's activities. He also has bomb
instructions on the net.)
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
Barbzzzzz Graham, is the selfproclaimed "chaplain" of an allegedly
non-existing organization named ARSCC that doesn't pay taxes. But if
they don't exist, how come they have a Chief Financial Officer (jail
bird Korey Jerome Kruse aka Simkatu) who works and travels on behalf of
ARSCC?
Barbara Graham in her own words: "Anything's legal if you don't get
caught." More:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/graham1.html
Doug Johnson
barbz <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>Is Piltdown Man a Scientologist?
>
>Chaplain, ARSCC
>xenu...@netscape.net
I suspect, from the choice of Nick, that
s/he is a fraud.
dj
Summerick
reader of ars and opponent of the Co$ even if just a part-
timer, I just had to.
Piltdown Man, whose posts I enjoy reading for his informative
and broad perspective on things religious/cultish, and is
similar to to Hartley P in that respect, makes a fair comment
about this really dumb-assed counter-productive confrontation.
Rev. Norle Enturbulata responds in his inimitable single
brain-celled manner that has earned him more entries in kill-
files than all the various anti-psych spammers combined, with
"You mean that film your nut-cult abused the courts into
blocking out of fear of criticism? Hm, a bit like your
efforts at quashing free speech isn't it?"
Geeze, is it any wonder henri declares him to be the dumbest
fuck ever to post on usenet ?
Barbz, who knows better surely, responds with..
"Is Piltdown Man a Scientologist?"
C'mon Barb ! Or don't you even read this ng ? Just trying to
be nice possibly ? Doesn't suit you :)
Then nearly as dumb-as-Rev-Null Douglas Jones, who may be
excused because he's just a newbie and is happy to be part of
the chorus, adds
"I suspect, from the choice of Nick, that s/he is a fraud"
Oh man ! Is this is what ars has come down to ?
I'm only making these comments because as much as I've enjoyed
reading ars over the years, and as much as I admire those who
have worked and continue to work to oppose the Co$ this whole
thread is typical of how meaningless so much of the
debate/discussion here has become.
I don't even understand why Andreas bothered to post the
article in the first place.
And no, Rev-Null, I'm not a clam but in saying that I am
already resigned to the fact that in your sad excuse for a
mind I must be. Nor am I a Mintonista or a Magooist or
Lermaist or a butter-squasher or ....
I'm just a reader without any 'dog in the fight'. Maybe I'm a
bit cynical about it all but to me Scientology has always been
a pathetic silly little cult and will eventually die of its
own stupidity anyway. While it will rip people off and make
life miserable for those who get sucked into it, it's not and
never has been any sort of threat to 'life as we know it'.
It's been interesting to me because it's been the first cult
war fought on the internet.
It's been really fascinating reading about it here over the
last few years, but I'm now losing interest in ars because of
this sort of moronic excuse for discussion. Not that anyone
cares what I think :) Not that anyone cares about Scientology
anyway for that matter.
Muldoon
Summerick wrote:
-snip-
> I'm just a reader without any 'dog in the fight'. Maybe I'm a
> bit cynical about it all but to me Scientology has always been
> a pathetic silly little cult and will eventually die of its
> own stupidity anyway. While it will rip people off and make
> life miserable for those who get sucked into it, ___it's not and
> never has been any sort of threat to 'life as we know it'.___
> It's been interesting to me because it's been the first cult
> war fought on the internet.
>
> It's been really fascinating reading about it here over the
> last few years, but I'm now losing interest in ars because of
> this sort of moronic excuse for discussion. Not that anyone
> cares what I think :) ___Not that anyone cares about Scientology
> anyway for that matter.___
Ok. You got that?
Everyone on a.r.s:
You can call it quits now.
Everybody go home!
Bye bye!
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Summerick" <omewhere@downunder> wrote in message
news:4491a009$0$752$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> Sorry for cut & pasting to resurrect this but as a long term
> reader of ars and opponent of the Co$ even if just a part-
> timer, I just had to.
And previously unheard-from. Keep it up.
Larry T.
news:4491e19a$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
Rev:
If that is what the truth really is about the Elfman family, then you had
better steer clear of them altogether.
--
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
Larry
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Summerick" <omewhere@downunder> wrote in message
news:4491a009$0$752$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> reader of ars and opponent of the Co$ even if just a part-
> timer, I just had to.
Go back to rec.sport.skating.ice.figure, where your only other posts seem to
be, m'kay?
Piltdown Man
barbz <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote...
> Since the guy wearing the shirt is gay, I don't know what you're on
> about. I think the word 'gay,' which was hijacked by the gay community,
There is no "gay community". Just as there is no "righthanded community",
or a "being over 6 foot tall community", or a "having a phone number ending
in 5" community. The word wasn't "hijacked" by this non-existent community,
it emerged into general use, first in the US somewhere in the 1960's, then
in the rest of the English-speaking world, from an earlier existence as a
slang word, as a welcome replacement for extremely silly words like
"homosexual" or "pervert" or "pederast" or "fairy" or "queer".
> has now been hijacked back by the generation that brings you South Park,
The only people I've ever heard use the word "gay" as an insult are not
very bright teenagers, and pathetic thirty- and forty-somethings who think
they're terribly cool by affecting such jargon.
Remind me again: how old are the creators of South Park, and when did
creators of puerile American cartoon shows become the norm for how the rest
of us must use the English language?
> where gay is used in a way that really has nothing to do with
> homosexuality.
Yeah, right. They just *happened* to pick the word "gay" to use as general
invective, it had *nothing* to do with what that word meant, namely
"homosexual". They could just as easily have picked any other of the
millions of other English adjectives available to them. "Assyrian", say. Or
"taupe". Or "longitudinal". Or "sprightly". Or perhaps even "black", or
"jewish", right? No harm done, it's all in good fun. And faggots who have a
problem with people using the word "gay" as an insult, or niggers who have
a problem with people using the word "black" as an insult, or kikes who
have a problem with using the word "jew" as an insult should just shut the
fuck up. They're all just gay Scientologists anyway.
Piltdown Man
Rev. Norle Enturbulata <noteart...@norhotmail.com> wrote...
> "Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
<snip>
> > *What* must have been a hate crime? All that has been posted is a silly
> > story written by someone who claims to wear a t-shirt, which he made
> > himself, with a picture of Tom Cruise on the front with the caption
> > "Scientology is Gay!", and a picture of John Travolta on the back with
> > the caption "Very Gay!" OK, so at least he's honest about being
> > homophobic.
>
Now that is very funny. But thank you for reminding me why you've been
residing in my killfile for several years now. I only saw this post because
I took a look at this thread with the killfile disabled. (I'd made a couple
of posts to it, whenever I do that I think it only fair to see all
responses.)
> The person you accuse (however cowardly)
I don't think asking will be very useful, but still: what the hell about
anything I wrote is "cowardly"?
> of being "homophobic" happens to be gay, you twit.
I know. So? You think being gay means you can't say (well, put on a
t-shirt) stupid homophobic things?
One could come up with a long list of homophobic statements made by gay
people. Just as one could come up with a long list of anti-semitic
statements made by jewish people. Sometimes they're even the same person.
Google on "Otto Weininger" if you have any intellectual interest in the
topic (which I doubt). Weininger was one of the early followers of Sigmund
Freud (he seems to have tagged on to any and all pseudo-scientific fads
that were going around in late-nineteenth century Vienna). He proved
"scientifically", to his own satisfaction, that jews and gay men were
inferior forms of humanity. Being both gay and jewish himself, he drew the
consequence from that: he committed suicide, by shooting himself through
the head with a silver bullet, lying on the bed that Ludwig van Beethoven
died in. It didn't stop his insane book on the topics of his obsession,
"Geschlecht und Charakter", from becoming a posthumous bestseller and
gaining a cult following. This discussion reminded me of it because it's in
many ways an almost Hubbardian book. For instance, he came up with a
bizarre, pseudo-arithmetical "equation" which he thought described
"homosexuality" with mathematical precision that is truly worthy of Hubbard
at his silliest.
Piltdown Man
barbz <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote...
> Is Piltdown Man a Scientologist?
Barbz, do you have a memory for past posts in this newsgroup? Lacking that,
are you capable of putting the words "Piltdown Man" into the "author" box
in Google Groups and looking at my posts over the years? If even that's too
much trouble, could you perhaps be bothered to scroll back in your
newsreader to just two or three weeks ago, to one of several threads about
the upcoming trial of Scientology in Belgium, and figure out who provided
most of the translation from French of the article from Le Soir Magazine
about it?
But perhaps that's too much to ask. In some participants' minds the sole
purpose of ARS seems to have become interminable squabbles between a small
band of oldbies about trivialities such as IRC logs, which no outsider can
hope to understand. Really significant developments in the real world (you
remember, the stuff that doesn't go away when you switch off your computer
and ARS and IRC disappear?), such as Scientology moving its European
headquarters from Copenhagen to Brussels and buying a massive building
complex there, while at the same time going on trial in Brussels as a
criminal organisation, hardly merit attention or meaningful discussion. In
fact, my and Eldon's first posting of the very significant article on this
hardly got any follow-ups at all. It wasn't until someone else reposted it
that there were some more responses, but not that many.
I'm sorry, it isn't spending time and effort I could have spent on more
pleasurable pursuits on helping to translate this (along with Eldon, and
with help from Jean-Luc Barbier and Roger Gonnet) that I resent. It's the
bizarre spectacle that important news about Scientology going on trial
within a few months for being an organised crime syndicate is almost
completely ignored, whereas the exploits of one puerile idiot who thinks
it's a good idea going around wearing a t-shirt saying "Scientology is
gay!" as an intended insult are treated with the utmost respect. Or the way
someone who is himself gay and objects to this puerile, offensive,
schoolyard-bully type use of the word "gay" is of course immediately
accused of being a Scientologist. (It's not a new thing. I've long ago lost
count of the number of times I've been accused here of being "OSA". For
readers not yet fluent in ARSese: "OSA" in an adjective which means "gay".
Kids, you know, like the ones who produce South Park, use it all the time.)
realpch
Just so you know. I read your posts. I don't think you're OSA. I read a
lot of stuff here and don't comment on it.
Peach
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Susan
"realpch" <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:44923AD2...@aol.com...
Ditto. Thanks very much for doing the translation.
Susan
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
>
> Rev. Norle Enturbulata <noteart...@norhotmail.com> wrote...
>
>> "Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
>> news:01c68f74$ac4020e0$LocalHost@gateway...
> <snip>
>> > *What* must have been a hate crime? All that has been posted is a silly
>> > story written by someone who claims to wear a t-shirt, which he made
>> > himself, with a picture of Tom Cruise on the front with the caption
>> > "Scientology is Gay!", and a picture of John Travolta on the back with
>> > the caption "Very Gay!" OK, so at least he's honest about being
>> > homophobic.
>>
>> That's not a very effective way to pursue your clam invective mission.
>
> Now that is very funny. But thank you for reminding me why you've been
> residing in my killfile for several years now. I only saw this post
> because
> I took a look at this thread with the killfile disabled. (I'd made a
> couple
> of posts to it, whenever I do that I think it only fair to see all
> responses.)
You're so fair! I'm so impressed.
Ed
Likewise. You are one of the best of the occasional regular
voices here who discerning readers look for.
Ed
barbz
> barbz <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote...
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>
>>Is Piltdown Man a Scientologist?
>
>
> Barbz, do you have a memory for past posts in this newsgroup? Lacking that,
> are you capable of putting the words "Piltdown Man" into the "author" box
> in Google Groups and looking at my posts over the years? If even that's too
> much trouble, could you perhaps be bothered to scroll back in your
> newsreader to just two or three weeks ago, to one of several threads about
> the upcoming trial of Scientology in Belgium, and figure out who provided
> most of the translation from French of the article from Le Soir Magazine
> about it?
>
Ahem...it was a response to Norle Enturbulata's response to you here:
"You mean that film your nut-cult abused the courts into blocking out of
fear of criticism? Hm, a bit like your efforts at quashing free speech
isn't it? "
It sounded like he was suggesting that you were a Scientologist.
Lighten up and pay a little closer attention before you fly off the
handle and get your knickers wadded up. Sheesh.
--
--
Spidergraham
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"barbz" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:i7zkg.14130$Jk2.10311@fed1read03...
> Piltdown Man wrote:
>
>> barbz <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote...
>>
>>
>>>Is Piltdown Man a Scientologist?
>>
>>
>> Barbz, do you have a memory for past posts in this newsgroup? Lacking
>> that,
>> are you capable of putting the words "Piltdown Man" into the "author" box
>> in Google Groups and looking at my posts over the years? If even that's
>> too
>> much trouble, could you perhaps be bothered to scroll back in your
>> newsreader to just two or three weeks ago, to one of several threads
>> about
>> the upcoming trial of Scientology in Belgium, and figure out who provided
>> most of the translation from French of the article from Le Soir Magazine
>> about it?
>>
>
> Ahem...it was a response to Norle Enturbulata's response to you here:
> "You mean that film your nut-cult abused the courts into blocking out of
> fear of criticism? Hm, a bit like your efforts at quashing free speech
> isn't it? "
>
> It sounded like he was suggesting that you were a Scientologist.
> Lighten up and pay a little closer attention before you fly off the handle
> and get your knickers wadded up. Sheesh.
Perhaps at times my responses are a bit strong, but often serve the purpose
of a 'ping'. It might bring forth the question: When one has been
accompanied by 'handlers' at various points, how does one find out where
they're at? So apologies if incorrect, but not for the approach itself.
NRen2k5
> antispam-anti-scientology wrote:
>
>> "Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" <hel...@online.no> a écrit dans
>> le message de news: 35hs82lamgutg76rq...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Forwarded with permission:
>>>
>>> [START]
>>> From: XXXXXXXXXXXXX
>>> Subject: a true story
>>> Date: 12.06.2006
>>> To: a...@xenu.net
>>>
>>> Hello Just wanted to tell you my story that happened yesterday
>>> on walking to my car on Los Feliz Blvd. I was a total innocent
>>> lamb when I was verbally attacked by three people. I was
>>> walking to my car in a t- shirt that I made that has an image of
>>> Tom Cruise and the caption says Scientology is Gay! And on the
>>> Back of the shirt is a picture of John Travolta and the caption
>>> reads Very Gay! So as I passed a shirtless Bohdi Elfman and he
>>> started screaming at me saying how dare you make fun of my
>>> church! I replied just because you have tax exempt doesn't make
>>> it a real church and the McDonald's franchise is older. Then he
>>> got really mad and said that I had no idea what I was talking
>>> about and I said I am well aware and schooled on this cult. Then
>>> Jenna started to pipe in and asked me What Crimes I had
>>> Committed? I said I have not committed any crimes. She stared at
>>> me like a zombie and said the same thing. What crimes have I
>>> committed and then said have you Raped a baby? And I looked at
>>> her and said what? She repeated. Did you Rape a baby? I shook my
>>> head and then she said you Raped a baby! I was totally blown
>>> away meanwhile her husband was screaming at me and kept on
>>> saying that the reason I was saying this was because I was a
>>> homosexual (gee how did he know) to which I said what does that
>>> have anything to do with anything if I was gay or not? I kept on
>>> asking him about Xenu and he was about to punch me but he
>>> hesitated because they were another man who when instructed by
>>> the both of them would walk away and cover his ears when I asked
>>> them about L. Ron Hubbards involvement with Alister Crowley,
>>> Xenu and the death of Lisa McPersion. After a ten minute scream
>>> session when Bohdi said all he does is help people and why was I
>>> against that and Jenna kept on asking What is my crime...I
>>> shouted I know what your crime is. You make shitty Television
>>> Shows. Which Jenna screamed back "FUCK YOU"!
>>> True Story and I have a witness!
>>> Love
>>> John Roecker
>>> just google me!
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm skapetical that elfman would go into such arge publicly. Her
>> crime cult is already something horribly hated by most population...
>>
>>
>> r
>>
> She's probably as insane as the rest of the "what are your crimes?"
> crew. Perhaps moreso than most, being a celebrity. What do you think Tom
> Cruise would do if he encountered such a shirt on the street?
He'd probably wrench the arm of the person wearing it, and then call the
cops and claim he was assaulted when they try to get their arm back.
NRen2k5
> hands when they're not attached to the cans.
>
>> What do you think Tom Cruise would do if he encountered such a shirt on
>> the street?
>
> realizing that he was revealing his masturbation engram at the time.
Or that he had dropped about fifty points on the tone scale... ;)
NRen2k5
> John Vreeland wrote:
>> On 14 Jun 2006 19:26:44 -0700, "I am being defamed and forged here"
>> <Stilllov...@myway.com> opined:
>>
>> You and Gary should get married, Barbara.
>
> Why should a fine lady as I marry a lawless forger bum? You fit to
> Garry, you marry him.
You? Fine? You just made me laugh so hard I almost choked on my donut.
> I am already married to Marty, remember? I don't commit bigamy as you
> would.
No, you are not married to Marty. Even he himself says so.
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