'OBOD and Bonewits' are ' Jew Crooks' - McGrath
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OBOD are even bigger Crooks, Frauds and Beggars than Bonewits, and
what a load of absolutle manure they produce.
Connors is desperate, so is Dwyer, they saw a future with loads of
money for themselves, just like OBOD and Bonewits, money for old
rope.
And an Irish Druid from Kilkenny put a stop to their money-mad
scelemes.
Now you can understand their wrath.
Connors a Knacker, Dwyer the son of a Freemasons' Whore.
What sons of filth we deal with !
Someone remarked her that the Jews are raking in money out of
Druidry. Sometimes I looked at Dwyer and wondered, "Maybe he's
Jacob ? "
THESE ARE THE JEWS I DESPISE!
An Coibhi Drui
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.druid/browse_thread/threa...
>
> OBOD are even bigger Crooks, Frauds and Beggars than Bonewits, and
> what a load of absolutle manure they produce.
>
> Connors is desperate, so is Dwyer, they saw a future with loads of
> money for themselves, just like OBOD and Bonewits, money for old
> rope.
>
> And an Irish Druid from Kilkenny put a stop to their money-mad
> scelemes.
>
> Now you can understand their wrath.
>
> Connors a Knacker, Dwyer the son of a Freemasons' Whore.
>
> What sons of filth we deal with !
>
> Someone remarked her that the Jews are raking in money out of
> Druidry. Sometimes I looked at Dwyer and wondered, "Maybe he's
> Jacob ? "
>
> THESE ARE THE JEWS I DESPISE!
And would you believe, ConJob, an awful lot of Druids agree with me.
Nobody disagreed. And now that you bring up OBOD, Bonkerwitz and their
fellow Masons, they are gone really quiet recently. Their Shyte is
starting to sprout cobwebs too. People are copping on to these so-
called Druids, and about time too. People are listening to me, people
are reading my words, people are copping on to these Shysters, and
people are angry. Carr-Gomm's books are a load of trash, Bonkerwitz'
books are even worse if that be possible.
...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time !
Cheers,
Michael.
odubh...@gmail.com
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I like Isaac Bonewits and his books. I also even read some of Philip
Carr-Gomm's books. What I'd really like to do is read a book by you
Michael. That would provide you a platform to tell the world your own
views about the Druids without being interrupted by those with
vendettas. No book on Druidry will sell many copies but sales is not
the reason to publish such a book in the first place.
Searles O'Dubhain
An Coibhi Drui
What I am saying, Searles, is that these Druid correspondence courses
are the ruination of Druidry and the prosperity only of those who own
and run them, and that they are the raison d'etre for monsters like
ConJob wko seeks to emulate their money making potential. Not a penny
made by these courses and books goes into Druidry, but straight into
the banking houses of those who create them, and "create" is a most
appropriate word here. OBOD is simply a money-making machine, it was
never otherwise, even high druids of the Council of British Druid
Orders have told me that - including my former colleague, the former
Chairman of CoBDO the late Tony Newman.
As regards my producing a book on Druidry, that particular project
fell through some years ago when one of the owners of Mercier Press,
daughter of the famous Irish Republican Captain John Feehan, Mary
Feehan, accepted a book on Druidry from me for publication by Mercier
Press, Cork - and then sent me a pageful of directions and demands
concerning the said book :-)
And I haven't a minute right now for any such project.
I don't think that Isaac's books, like the man himself, are produced
in all seriousness. And as I have always stated about Carr-Gomm's
books, they are beautifully written: all style and very little
substance. True, they don't make much money, but they are designed to
lead the reader on to join OBOD and you can't join OBOD without
agreeing to pay the fees for its correspondence course, which I have
seen and which do not impress me, as basically it contains a load of
common sense psychology and pious platitudes, certainly nothing new
under the sun. OBOD also preaches an Englishman's view of the ancient
history of Ireland, which is not objectionable if it were stated to be
such.
And in recent years Philip has made his wife Stephanie the Chief
Scribe of OBOD, to ensure his majority on the OBOD Triad that controls
his order, and thus hold on tightly to the monies and properties of
OBOD. Philip has also played little or no part since 1995 in the
organization and development of Druidry in England. He has contented
himself to count the new members and the money as he continues to
enrich himself at the great expense of Druidry in the UK and abroad.
And I do think that the claims made in these books and courses are
fantastic and outrageous.
And who is the target of all this money-making ? As usual, the
gullible Yank ! It reminds me of the old story of the Cockney selling
London Bridge to a Yank !
America has its own Druid Orders and they are fine, they don't need
Philip recruiting in the States for what is now obvious to all of us
over here to be nothing more than a money-making operation, not for
the cause of Druidry, but for the personal and continuing enrichment
of Mr. and Mrs. Philip and Stephanie Carr-Gomm. It is variously
estimated that they have amassed three to four million pounds stering
out of their Druid venture to date from subscriptions to the OBOD
Correspondence course. They have made Druidry into a Good Thing for
themselves, as ConJon tries to do, totally unsuccessfully I must add
Dr. Dwyer even boasted to me in person about the fortune he intends to
make for himself as a partner in ConJob's venture by organising along
the lines of OBOD !
And Mr. and Mrs. Philip and Stephanie Carr-Gomm, are to my mind,
simply a nicer version of ConJob. I regret to state that I believe
that Druidry in the world would be all the better for ridding itself
of such shady characters, so that a fresh start can be made in truly
and honestly developing Druidry in the modern world, and for the
future.
It is not only sad, it's tragic :-)
Most people who paid their monies to OBOD, thinking that they were
helping the cause of Druidry, are now disillusioned. And when they
become disillusioned with Druidry, they do not stay as Druids , they
do not move on to genuine Druid Orders, they leave for good,
disheartened forever.
And Druidry itself is the Big Loser all the time.
Cheers,
Michael.
An Coibhi Drui
The best that can be said for the Bonewitz and Carr-Gomm books is that
they do not warp the ancient history and culture of Ireland to such
an inaccurate extent as do the puerile books of Janet Farrar & Co. The
latter are not worth buying, and evel less going to the bother of
carting them home.
Cheers,
Michael.
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
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Who wouldn't like to read more of McGraths views on the Druids without
interruption Charles. Well, at least we have his views on OBOD and
Isaac Bonewits. They are "Jews", "Crooks, Frauds and Beggars". That's
clear enough, and no interruption. He is quoted faithfully and without
abridgement or 'interruption'.
Thankfully we have lots of his writings and views on Con, Dr Dwyer,
the entire World Order of Druids in France and the German Keltia etc,
etc
http://www.keltia.de/Avalon/Internationale_News/Korrespondenz_Geis/korrespondenz_geis.html
Then there are the Wiccans Farrar and Bone in Ireland whom he has also
lambasted. He tells us that Paul McAndrew who organises Pagan
activities in Cork is only an 'English Queer and pedaphile' according
to McGrath. Withces, Druids and pagans in Wexford and Wicklow have
also been told off and slandered by McGrath. Surely you are in no
doubt what McGrath thinks about other Druids and Magical folk? Stacy
is a fat arse Jew according to McGrath, isn't that right. And Dan?
Listen to what he says about his good Druid friend Melvyn Lloyd in
Carlow:
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"MAX is Melvyn Lloyd !
Lloyd is a JUDAS.
At least he is not an Irishman,
That is a great consolation.
Lloyd thinks he is running a worldwide Druid Order callled HOOD, a
half dozen fools that he charges money to for his correspondence
courses.
They’re making money out of Paganism even before they start up their
"Church"!
(The "Hibernian" Order of Druids - what a lovely Roman Druid
title !) .
Because Melvyn Lloyd, a self-styled "archdruid" is living in Ireland,
near Rosenallis in County Laois, he passes this HOOD Druid grouplet
off as an "Irish" Druid Order. Lloyd is 100 % Engilsh, born in Devon,
and was in fact Church Warden of St. Benedict’s Parish in Glastonbury,
where he left after an unsuccessful suicide attempt.
He started out in life as an Able Bodied Seaman in the Royal Navy at
Plymouth.
Don’t blame him for that attempt - if I was Lloyd I would have
committed Hara Kiri long ago.
Some years ago he moved in and kipped with and lived off Eileen
Lawrence in Laois until she had the sense to throw him out as the
Waster he is.
Those Piggy Eyes !
But I am Gabriel Murray, and I am all that I say I am - furthermore
Lloyd knows me to see.
Ask Lloyd about that, Warrior Maiden !!! You know him well for years,
as your "Boss" in your Roman Druid Order.
I knew what Lloyd was the moment I met him - I saw those sneaky piggy
eyes of his. Look in the mirror Lloyd and you’ll see what I mean
(though I should be more compassionate).
But Lloyd you sneaked into Michael McGrath’s life and took advantage
of his good nature and trust.
Why, Lloyd, because you are jealous of the Archdruid for you are a
failure yourself, kicked out by Eileen Lawrence five years ago, afraid
even of Con Connor, trying to wheedle yourself back into Con’s good
books now that you have nowhere to go.
Well, he can have you - nobody else will.
Melvyn Lloyd, you are a cruel, heartless and callous person - careful
Connor or he’ll knife you in the back.
As for his HOOD and his OWL GROVE, he can have them - OWLHOODS !
Lloyd cannot be trusted by anybody.
And Archdruid McGrath points out that Lloyd was CDE/HOOD, never in the
ODI, or never granted any permissions, initiations or anything else by
the Archdruid of Ireland. Now I have to get back to filming in London.
May the Divine Providence be with you all here through the New Year,
even on that wretch Melvyn Lloyd.
Your Servant,
Gabriel Murray
Archscribe ODI. "
By the way, I was MAX and 'Gabriel Murray' is McGrath speaking out of
the other side of his mouth.
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From: "Michael McGrath" <Drui...@cablenet.ie>
Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:57 AM
THIS FELLA LLOYD HAS NOW ACTED DIRECTLY AGAINST THE ARCHDRUID OF
IRELAND. HE WILL THEREFORE BE DENOUNCED AS AN IMPOSTER AND CHURCH
WARDEN AT OUR PARADE TODAY IN KILKENNY. BY ME.
The Archdruid of Stonehenge, in command of 24,000 ,Rollo Maughfling,
will also be moved to denounce Lloyd at the very next CoBDO Meeting.
All ODI Druids, All the Gathering, will now defend our Archdruid
against the traitorous and treacherous Brit Lloyd, who waited like a
hawk until our Archdruid of Ireland fell ill to attack him His "Order"
will be banned, His Hawk Grove too, officially in Ireland. And all
this will be circulated over the Internet by Archdruid Dr. Dwyer of
Connaught, Con Connor will be fully informed about Lloyd's antecedents
as a Church Warden - and his failed attempt to hang himself from a
tree in Glastonbury - pity he failed !.
Every hand in Ireland will now be raised against this Sleeveen Melvyn
Lloyd !
BY ORDER
Druid Commander Martin Gorey, Archdruid's Life Guard.
(McGrath imposting again)
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As for the woman he , McGrath, fraudently appointed Archdruid of Tara,
Gina McGarry, he called her a liar and a fraud. Do you want the exact
quotation? Then later he went on to say, "I shall always sing Gina's
praises, and Melvyn's too". And you want to read this guy,
'uninterrupted'? Ha ha ha
And what would you suggest we call his book Charles? The Druid
Shithouse or The Druid Shitheads. I would suggest the back cover
should be emblazoned with his stated objective so that nobody with a
mind should misunderstand his aim:
"All this Druid Shithouse, not only on Ireland, but everywhere on the
planet, will now begin to fall in upon the shitheads involved
everywhere - we are going to drag the whole fucking rotten edifice
down. Druidry will be made fun of throughout the mass media,
especially in Ireland."
And should the book be dedicated to his beloved Catholic Church?
"Under our New Order, with the full backing of the Churches, The ODI
shall reign supreme."
Yes indeed, what the world needs now is a book by a crazed fascist
like McGrath! I'm afraid you will be disappointed if you are expecting
another Wesley Swift.
An Coibhi Drui
An Coibhi Drui
Especially for the attention of ConJob "CormacMacCarthaigh" and
ConJob "Ardadmin" . Enjoy,
Cheers, Michael.
An Coibhi Drui
The penetration of American Jews and British Freemasons into Druidry
is to be welcomed - if they would only embrace the cause of Druidry
and not spend all their time in the Counting Houses :-)
Cheers,
Michael.
An Coibhi Drui
Certainly they will be welcomed personally by me if they spend any
time at all in the sincere development of Druidry, and in their own
personal development as Druids.
ConJob is, of course, banished forever with no consent to any appeal.
In that, I am only echoing the feelings of everybody in the Druid
World about him.
I don't think that he has ever grasped the full significance of his
banishment. I pronounced his banishment, but only as the Chief
Spokesperson for all the other Druids and Druidesses throughout
Ireland and Britain in this sad affair.
Perhaps you American Druids will admit him ? For you are his last
hope :-)
Cheers,
Michael.
Noinden
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Actually several of us disagree with you. :)
An Coibhi Drui
Ah, welcome back into the firing line, Noey Boy, the Orangeman and
Freemason to boot, the Kiwi of fraudulently claimed Irish ancestry,
ejected by the Milwaukee Pagans - we don't wonder why :-)
So you represent "Several of us " , like who ? Certainly not the
Milwaukee Pagans who objected about your unwarranted interference in
their affairs.
Noey, the Orange Boy who knew all about Arklow until his claims to
have been to Ireland also turned out to be fraudulent.
We don't much rate the life spans of traitors like you here in Ireland
very much, Orange Boy.
Surely I deserve a more worthy oppoment than a load of shyte like you,
boy !
Just fuck off you Lunatic !!!
Fuck Off and form the Orange Order of Druids, Mason :-)
An Coibhi Drui
An Coibhi Drui
And BTW, you are not American, just Orange Spawn from NZ who also
fraudulently claimed a Ph.D
I deal with many Ph.D's - and higher ! - on a daily basis, They do not
get involved evilly like you do, you are no academic , rather a
Walking Lie.
Now fuck off and contemplate on the Orange Shyte you spawn from :-)
An Coibhi Drui
And give the same message to your Lunatic Dark Siders back "home" -
Archdruid Melvyn Lloyd's HOOD Grove in NZ have you well tabbed, Orange
Boy .
An Coibhi Drui
I have no problem with anybody normal and decent disagreeing with me -
but I don't have to debate with filthy Toerags like this Noinden
chancer, and I won't.
Cheers,
Michael.
An Coibhi Drui
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Coincidentally, I happen to be in consultation with Michael. And all I
have to say is that I have comprehensive reports on Mr. Noinden from
my Hood Druids in New Zealand, especially from one of my lady Druids
there who is in fact not only a Ph.D, but indeed a full Doctor. She,
like my other Druids, is completely trustworthy, honourable and of
total integrity as all HOOD Druids are. You will see a sample on my
website:
http://www.hibernianorderofdruids.com
Glad to be of assistance,
Melvyn Lloyd
Archdruid of HOOD .
odubh...@gmail.com
Some of the authors do have some interesting things to say even if I
don't agree with them. However, a few like Con seem to have completely
lost their way.
I don't begrudge a person for being paid to teach so long as there is
worth in what they are teaching. I figure that people who make enough
money to pay their bills might actually have some time to research and
discover more about Druidry. The folks just in it for the money are
obvious and those who don't know a bit about what they are saying are
equally obvious.
> OBOD is simply a money-making machine, it was
> never otherwise, even high druids of the Council of British Druid
> Orders have told me that - including my former colleague, the former
> Chairman of CoBDO the late Tony Newman.
>
OBOD did start with a bunch of fallacies for beliefs but I think they
may have discarded many of those. I haven't looked into their
particulars foe about 10 years now, though I do browsw their websites
and forums at times.
> As regards my producing a book on Druidry, that particular project
> fell through some years ago when one of the owners of Mercier Press,
> daughter of the famous Irish Republican Captain John Feehan, Mary
> Feehan, accepted a book on Druidry from me for publication by Mercier
> Press, Cork - and then sent me a pageful of directions and demands
> concerning the said book :-)
>
> And I haven't a minute right now for any such project.
>
Sorry that your book project was lost and I know what you mean about
time. Not replying to the baiters around here might free up some of
your time. Your ear has hear much that was true to our traditions over
the years and I'd like a chance to hear what that was and hopefully
still is.
> I don't think that Isaac's books, like the man himself, are produced
> in all seriousness. And as I have always stated about Carr-Gomm's
> books, they are beautifully written: all style and very little
> substance. True, they don't make much money, but they are designed to
> lead the reader on to join OBOD and you can't join OBOD without
> agreeing to pay the fees for its correspondence course, which I have
> seen and which do not impress me, as basically it contains a load of
> common sense psychology and pious platitudes, certainly nothing new
> under the sun. OBOD also preaches an Englishman's view of the ancient
> history of Ireland, which is not objectionable if it were stated to be
> such.
>
Isaac's mind is usually a joyful one and his intellect is very high so
he tends to poke fun at himself and others more than those who are
struggling to think and write clearly .
Philip Carr-Gomm does seem to treat Druidry as a business at times
though at others he is attempting to psychoanalyze it.
> And in recent years Philip has made his wife Stephanie the Chief
> Scribe of OBOD, to ensure his majority on the OBOD Triad that controls
> his order, and thus hold on tightly to the monies and properties of
> OBOD. Philip has also played little or no part since 1995 in the
> organization and development of Druidry in England. He has contented
> himself to count the new members and the money as he continues to
> enrich himself at the great expense of Druidry in the UK and abroad.
>
> And I do think that the claims made in these books and courses are
> fantastic and outrageous.
>
Every book does this or they are boring to the extreme.
> And who is the target of all this money-making ? As usual, the
> gullible Yank ! It reminds me of the old story of the Cockney selling
> London Bridge to a Yank !
>
We Americans have spent our money foolishly over the years but now the
banks and the governments are determined to liberate us from our
money. I wouldn't look for as much foolish American spending in the
future.
> America has its own Druid Orders and they are fine, they don't need
> Philip recruiting in the States for what is now obvious to all of us
> over here to be nothing more than a money-making operation, not for
> the cause of Druidry, but for the personal and continuing enrichment
> of Mr. and Mrs. Philip and Stephanie Carr-Gomm. It is variously
> estimated that they have amassed three to four million pounds stering
> out of their Druid venture to date from subscriptions to the OBOD
> Correspondence course. They have made Druidry into a Good Thing for
> themselves, as ConJon tries to do, totally unsuccessfully I must add
> Dr. Dwyer even boasted to me in person about the fortune he intends to
> make for himself as a partner in ConJob's venture by organising along
> the lines of OBOD !
>
That seems to be an awful lot of money. I know that American Druid
orders tend to pinch pennies since their funding is measured in
hundred or thousands and certainly not even approaching millions.
> And Mr. and Mrs. Philip and Stephanie Carr-Gomm, are to my mind,
> simply a nicer version of ConJob. I regret to state that I believe
> that Druidry in the world would be all the better for ridding itself
> of such shady characters, so that a fresh start can be made in truly
> and honestly developing Druidry in the modern world, and for the
> future.
>
> It is not only sad, it's tragic :-)
>
> Most people who paid their monies to OBOD, thinking that they were
> helping the cause of Druidry, are now disillusioned. And when they
> become disillusioned with Druidry, they do not stay as Druids , they
> do not move on to genuine Druid Orders, they leave for good,
> disheartened forever.
>
> And Druidry itself is the Big Loser all the time.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael.- Hide quoted text -
>
I do agree that OBOD seems to attempt to set the standard for Druidry
even though they don't seem to have any better grasp on it than the
other various Druid orders around the world. There's a lot to be said
for continuing one's efforts over the years in an organized manner
however.
As Druids I do think we need to encourage our members and fellows to
get a better education so that they can fund and share their beliefs
and knowledge with others. We are not a counter-culture group. We
should be supporting and enriching the cultures around us and the
cultures that gave us a name.
Searles O'Dubhain
root
> As Druids I do think we need to encourage our members and fellows to
> get a better education so that they can fund and share their beliefs
> and knowledge with others. We are not a counter-culture group. We
> should be supporting and enriching the cultures around us and the
> cultures that gave us a name.
>
I've always thought that it is the nature of the people who belong to
druid groups that give those groups and the name 'druid' it's weight,
and not the other way around.
That is to say, well, you know what I'm trying to say ;)
golwg
Matthew
odubh...@gmail.com
That's what I was saying as well, but I do think it's a two way
street.
Searles
An Coibhi Drui
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Here in Ireland over the years, isolated OBOD members came to us for
training. They were all good people and they benefitted by their
experiences with the ODI as they attest to this day.
Basically you have an old coterie of Janet Farrar, Philip Carr-Gomm,
Olivia Durdin Robertson and such other Anglo-Irish and expatriate
English people in Ireland at the helm, they're all very genteel
people, and they like the native irish in a most benevolent sweet way
- but they get darned tougb when the native Irish do not seem grateful
for their paternal and patronising help.
And they constitute the greatest block amongst the Irish to the
advance of Druidry.
The greatest danger of all in Ireland to the cause of Druidry have
been the Lefties and Loonies going about the country proclaiming aloud
that they're pagans ! This approach drives the Irish away in droves.
Could you honestly blame people ?
We had a lovely weekend here together for Imbolg, I really enjoyed the
old stories of the Seanchai around the fire. I trust you all enjoyed
it too.
Cheers,
Michael.