OBOD, Bonewits, Connors, Dwyer et al.
DruidEire
what a load of absolutle manure they produce.
Connors is desperate, so is Dwyer, they saw a future with loads of
money for themselves, just like OBOD and Bonewits, money for old
rope.
And an Irish Druid from Kilkenny put a stop to their money-mad
scelemes.
Now you can understand their wrath.
Connors a Knacker, Dwyer the son of a Freemasons' Whore.
What sons of filth we deal with !
Someone remarked her that the Jews are raking in money out of Druidry.
Sometimes I looked at Dwyer and wondered, "Maybe he's Jacob ? "
These are the Jews I despise.
ken...@gmail.com
Question;
Is this not your site?
http://eiredruid.tripod.com/id8.html
On the above listed page, is there not a picture of Phillip Carr-Gomm
with the header of "PHILIP CARR-GOMM, CHOSEN CHIEF OF OBOD" and the
footer of "YOUR FRIEND AND MINE."...?
As well, on your previous Tripod site (before it was removed) you
lauded John Toland for his work. Toland was one of the Apple Tree
Tavern group responsible for the Masonic-influenced Druid Revival era.
So, which side of the coin is it? Is Carr-Gomm a "friend" or a
"huckster"? Did the Masonic influence from the Apple Tree Tavern bunch
aide/revive/continue Druidry or not?
I will not say that you straddle the fence on such things, but it
would be nice to let us know in advance when you're changing sides of
that fence.
Drui...@gmail.com
> On Aug 5, 11:17 am, DruidEire <DruidE...@cablenet.ie> wrote:
>
>
>
> > OBOD are even bigger Crooks, Frauds and Beggars than Bonewits, and
> > what a load of absolutle manure they produce.
>
> > Connors is desperate, so is Dwyer, they saw a future with loads of
> > money for themselves, just like OBOD and Bonewits, money for old
> > rope.
>
> > And an Irish Druid from Kilkenny put a stop to their money-mad
> > scelemes.
>
> > Now you can understand their wrath.
>
> > Connors a Knacker, Dwyer the son of a Freemasons' Whore.
>
> > What sons of filth we deal with !
>
> > Someone remarked her that the Jews are raking in money out of Druidry.
> > Sometimes I looked at Dwyer and wondered, "Maybe he's Jacob ? "
>
> > These are the Jews I despise.
>
> Question;
>
> On the above listed page, is there not a picture of Phillip Carr-Gomm
> with the header of "PHILIP CARR-GOMM, CHOSEN CHIEF OF OBOD" and the
> footer of "YOUR FRIEND AND MINE."...?
>
> As well, on your previous Tripod site (before it was removed) you
> lauded John Toland for his work. Toland was one of the Apple Tree
> Tavern group responsible for the Masonic-influenced Druid Revival era.
>
> So, which side of the coin is it? Is Carr-Gomm a "friend" or a
> "huckster"? Did the Masonic influence from the Apple Tree Tavern bunch
> aide/revive/continue Druidry or not?
>
> I will not say that you straddle the fence on such things, but it
> would be nice to let us know in advance when you're changing sides of
> that fence.
You are splittin hairs - I mentioned OBOD not Carr-Gomm as I feel
there is some good in him (despite being a huckster as you call him)
and we must trust our feeling and experience in wisdom).
Drui...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > OBOD are even bigger Crooks, Frauds and Beggars than Bonewits, and
> > what a load of absolutle manure they produce.
>
> > Connors is desperate, so is Dwyer, they saw a future with loads of
> > money for themselves, just like OBOD and Bonewits, money for old
> > rope.
>
> > And an Irish Druid from Kilkenny put a stop to their money-mad
> > scelemes.
>
> > Now you can understand their wrath.
>
> > Connors a Knacker, Dwyer the son of a Freemasons' Whore.
>
> > What sons of filth we deal with !
>
> > Someone remarked her that the Jews are raking in money out of Druidry.
> > Sometimes I looked at Dwyer and wondered, "Maybe he's Jacob ? "
>
> > These are the Jews I despise.
>
> Question;
>
> On the above listed page, is there not a picture of Phillip Carr-Gomm
> with the header of "PHILIP CARR-GOMM, CHOSEN CHIEF OF OBOD" and the
> footer of "YOUR FRIEND AND MINE."...?
>
> As well, on your previous Tripod site (before it was removed) you
> lauded John Toland for his work. Toland was one of the Apple Tree
> Tavern group responsible for the Masonic-influenced Druid Revival era.
>
> So, which side of the coin is it? Is Carr-Gomm a "friend" or a
> "huckster"? Did the Masonic influence from the Apple Tree Tavern bunch
> aide/revive/continue Druidry or not?
>
> I will not say that you straddle the fence on such things, but it
> would be nice to let us know in advance when you're changing sides of
> that fence.
I don't have to let you know anything !
Searles O'Dubhain
"DruidEire" <Drui...@cablenet.ie> wrote in message
news:1186337876.7...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> OBOD are even bigger Crooks, Frauds and Beggars than Bonewits, and
> what a load of absolutle manure they produce.
>
> Connors is desperate, so is Dwyer, they saw a future with loads of
> money for themselves, just like OBOD and Bonewits, money for old
> rope.
>
> And an Irish Druid from Kilkenny put a stop to their money-mad
> scelemes.
>
Isaac Bonewits is not a fraud nor is he getting rich off of Druidry. He is
if anything going broke off of Druidry. He barely makes ends meet.
I hope to meet with him in a week or two and discuss the situation here on
a.r.d. with him face-to-face. He has been my student as I have been his.
We've learned from one another which is the most important gift besides life
that a person can give.
I'd like to suggest that the power being expended here on this newsgroup in
volumous postings and mutual attacks would be better spent advancing the
cause of Druids and Druid religion everywhere. Those who dwell on the faults
of others do no one including themselves any favors. This is not to say that
lies and slanders cannot be identified and rebutted. That is a duty. There
comes a point when it is more than obvious that ongoing argument regarding
the character of others is fixation rather than discussion or within the
mores and codes of Druidic discourse. Going beyond that line is damaging to
one's self and to the cause of Druids everywhere.
That is why I recommend and use "killfiles" for those who don't have enough
sense to consider the damage their indulgences and fixations cause to all.
Let me recommend that to you and others as it should be obvious to all but
the most feeble minded and biased who has truth and who doesn't through a
person's own direct actions and comportment here and elsewhere. Slinging
muck (and this going for the majority of those posting right now) is an
attack on one's self and truth as much, if not more, than it is on others.
Those who are wise will find the middle path in this. Those who are not will
become fading echoes in an eddy faraway from the paths that Druids walk.
Searles O'Dubhain
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
> "DruidEire" <DruidE...@cablenet.ie> wrote in message
I can'r accept your assurances re Isaac Bonewits at face value.
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
good. By that measure, Bonewitz must be a good bloke or this racist
pig wouldn't be abusing him.
What about the abuse he was giving Stacey and Dana earlier? He is a
reprehensible villian.
Drui...@gmail.com
And, what, may I ask, do you propose to him to do about ARD ? Unless
he lost it all in Vegas over a mad season, I can't believe he is
broke, as you claim. As Bonewits only begs money on his site, and
Connors demands large fixed sums for his manure, I can only agree that
Bonewits is not as bad as OBOD, Dywer or Connors.
Searles O'Dubhain
<Drui...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186349073....@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
He is a very complex individual as are you and I. He's not making outrageous
amounts of money from Druidry. If he were then his wife would not be working
in a job selling mattresses and bedding (though what she sells is a great
product and I have one).
As to what he teaches and writes, I agree with some of it and some of it I
do not. Your own take on his teachings is equally subject to personal
opinions and experiences as is my own. I think his writings are quite a few
steps above what I've seen by most and they are many orders of magnitude
above the words of "500 year old Druid groups."
My thinking regarding disputes that you have or doubts about Isaac Bonewits
is that you and he should correspond or discuss these matters face-to-face
rather than in the vipers' pit that this newsgroup has lately become. At
times,almost everyone in the fracas has seemed lucid though some are
particularly vicious and wanton with the truth at other times.
You have the perfect chance here and now to show one and all how a Druid
handles such things. I think that the spirit that runs through you in spite
of other factors will help you in this battle if you open to it. Do not let
anyone including your many selves rule your path for you. Show us how a
Druid brings truth and leave the rest to their own devices. If not, then
there are many other opportunities for your spirit and truth to manifest if
not here in this place or elsewhere in this life.
The last Druid to accept a Roman sword in his or her guts knew that spirit
lasts longer than steel and that truth cannot be stolen by the crassest of
actions or the most devious of words.
Searles O'Dubhain
Searles O'Dubhain
"Cormac Mac Carthaigh" <guydec...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186349592.6...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Dana mainly gets what's she gives out. Stacey OTOH is a good spirit and
heart and has been mailigned unjustly as far as I can see.
I think that many here recently are possessed by spirits that do not serve
them well.
Searles
Drui...@gmail.com
And of course nobody else does Ghostbusting but Connors with Dwyer as
his assistant - and charges 1200 Euro for it. Connors and Dwyer are
giving the whole of Druidry a bad name, they are giving Ireland a bad
name, for they are corrupt, they are hoodlums. No matter what anybody
may call me or say about me, I, and the Druids of Ireland are spot on
when we shun Dwyer and Connors as Swindlers. That must be admitted,
and some here have already taken Connors and Dwyer to task for such
Fraud already. I feel we are nothing, and certainly not Druids, if we
do not stand up for our principles in Truth, Honesty and Justice. This
is the main point at issue here on ARD right now, not the McFascist
stuff or anything else . And, you, Charles, have failed even to draw
their attantion to the gangsterism that they are involved in. Will you
idly stand by ? By the same token will you stand idly by at the
exhorbitant charges that are inposed by OBOD for years ? And will you
now find some conventient excuse for Issac's begging ? How many more
are at it ? And, evem worse, how many more are to come along yet ? I
understand that Isaac makes a good living from his books and therefore
should have no need to beg ?
Searles O'Dubhain
<Drui...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186349641.2...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
I know what he has told me in the past is true and I'll see more with my own
two eyes soon. Be all that as it may, I don't have a problem with people
making money from writing, teaching or working in or out of a religion. I do
have a problem when people take advantage of others or when others are
abused by unjust actions. That goes for anyone, even myself. If I thought
I'd done something as wrong as that I would spend a lifetime attempting to
set things right.
I know Isaac Bonewits and have had dealings with him directly for over 10
years. He has always acted honorably and has never taken advantage of anyone
to my knowledge in that time. He has assisted me in my own work as well as
others.
They're running me out of the coffeeshop now so this is all I'll be posting
for today.Hopefully, the WiFi connection and server I had been using will
soon be repaired and back from the shop.
Until then, may the Druid way guide you to the truth that has served many in
countless other lifetimes.
Searles
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
evil spirit and I will go further to say I believe McGrath is not only
mad but possesed of a very bad entity. He is like that child in the
Exorcist, always abusing and puking up the vilest rubbish. Do we have
to continue to have him always drag the discussion down to, "Dwyer and
Connors... nah nah nah". I am surprised he is still walking around
considering the many people he has abused and annoyed. I for one will
not be upset when he runs out of rope.
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
> "Cormac Mac Carthaigh" <guydecerv...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1186349592.6...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > McGrath is just demented. He attacks anyone that is doing anything
> > good. By that measure, Bonewitz must be a good bloke or this racist
> > pig wouldn't be abusing him.
>
> > What about the abuse he was giving Stacey and Dana earlier? He is a
> > reprehensible villian.
>
> Dana mainly gets what's she gives out. Stacey OTOH is a good spirit and
> heart and has been mailigned unjustly as far as I can see.
>
> I think that many here recently are possessed by spirits that do not serve
> them well.
>
> Searles
Again I disagree, Stacey maintains a spirit of outright revenge from
last year when I had words with her over on RDNAT%alk. I never held
anything against her since them. She has a mean, cold, callous,
spiteful spirit. You do not convince me, sir. Dana I understand much
better.
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
This is a remnnant of a bitter quarrel that broke out between me and
Stacey over on RDNA Talk last year, and it is up to her if she still
"holds it in" for me. It's was none of Dwyer's and Connor' business
until Stacey made common cause with them when they arrived here under
their different aliases. They will do absolutely anything and go to
any length to save their Swindle of a Course and Ghostbusting, they
are not Irish, not Irish Druids, the are rejects from the U.K. They
think that all their threats and abuse and blacknail will get me off
their trails, not a hope in Hell, Lover Boys ! I am with you all days
even until the End. Here, there, everywhere, I have exposed you in
the highways and byways of Ireland and have many others soing exactly
the same. So let's keep on, let's keep it up here, at the dawning of
another day. I am gone way beyond your threats, or caring what you say
about me, what you will do about me, and I am capable of killing not
one but several in self-defence. So come on you cowards, let the
battle commence !
Stacey Weinberger
<Drui...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186377724.9...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 5, 10:59 pm, Cormac Mac Carthaigh <guydecerv...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I agree with you Searles that there are some among us possesed by an
>> evil spirit and I will go further to say I believe McGrath is not only
>> mad but possesed of a very bad entity. He is like that child in the
>> Exorcist, always abusing and puking up the vilest rubbish. Do we have
>> to continue to have him always drag the discussion down to, "Dwyer and
>> Connors... nah nah nah". I am surprised he is still walking around
>> considering the many people he has abused and annoyed. I for one will
>> not be upset when he runs out of rope.
>
> This is a remnnant of a bitter quarrel that broke out between me and
> Stacey over on RDNA Talk last year, and it is up to her if she still
> "holds it in" for me. It's was none of Dwyer's and Connor' business
> until Stacey made common cause with them when they arrived here under
> their different aliases.
Say what? A quarrel broke out between you and quite a few of the member on
RDNA Talk because you became abusive on the list to everyone who was active
on the list including people who were not members. You went on and on about
janet Farrar and Gavin Bone, accusing them of killing someone. The list
owner asked you to stop, you didn't, and he banned you. You came back under
another email address and he banned you again.
Stacey
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
> <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Not accepted, I was granted no plea, no trial. It was a case of "Let's
give him a fair trial and hang him ! "
I do not ever mention the names of the people you mention above
(living in Ireland) in your reply Stacey. I cannot, due to an
Agreement of Honour in Peace with them. So I cannot and may not
discuss them. If you like it is a proper Geis accepted by me.
And I will not, ever. Michael.
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
Keep it up, Dwyer, but everybody, almost, is now absolutely bored
totally out of their minds. For their sakes, not mine - I couldn't
give a shit about you, changem for ducks sake change you cowardly
little cunt, DWYER !!!
Drui...@gmail.com
C'mon Connors, c'mon Dwyer, what are you waiting for, c'mon you
cowardly little cunts c'mon !
Stacey
You were asked to be polite or you would be kicked off the list. You ignored
that request and continued to be abusive and thus were banned. No trial was
necessary. If you have an issue with being banned from RDNAtalk take it up with
the list owner. You aren't allowed to discuss them because they have a legal
case against you.
Drui...@gmail.com
Legal case - tell them I said to come over here to Ireland and try to
deliver their writs personally. They won't be going back in one
piece ! Promised.
Stacey
Drui...@gmail.com says...
When I refered to "they" I was refering to my previous post and yours
where I mentioned Janet Farrar and Gavin Bone. They already have a legal case
against you. There are no legal issues over you getting banned from an email
list.
Drui...@gmail.com
> In article <1186423134.133477.132...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
> DruidE...@gmail.com says...
Fair Emough, Stacey.
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
Emough already McCraphead!
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Emough already McCraphead!
No mention, I gave my Druidic Word.
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
> This is what Catholic Trolling is all about!
Dwyer, I see you tried to forge my gmail address, but failed. The
people here are not the fools that you and Connors think they are.
Note that the final E does not come up in Dwyer's forgery.
But I am now getting directly in touch with the Medical Council
With a detailed dossier on Dwyer
I shall ensure that his licence is never restored
Watch me Dwyer.
I shall also make a direct complaint to Google
at their Dublin Headquarters
And actually give them a demonstration
Og exactly how you are trying to forge
a Gmail address
--that should have you off the net
Permanently.
I offered you Peace yesterday
You foolishly responded with attack
What Fools, Dwyer, that you and Connors are
As you will see
Michael.
Drui...@gmail.com
BTW I have an appointment with Google HQ in Dublin, with the
Investigating Officer in person, about your trolling, hacking and
manipulatory activities.
You must indeed be desperate to ever even dare interfere with Google !
cons...@eircom.net
You do not know what honour is you lieing catholic fascist fake.
You fabricate, spin and twist everything to suit the demon on your
back, forgetting that
everyone can see through your blue pyjamas to your mammies corset
underneath.
Janet and Gavin dropped their civil case against you because you have
been in the mental hospital so often and you know this. This is also
why I do not bother to take a civil case against you for your
defamation against me - all judges would let you off because you are
registered as mad, delusional and bi-polar psychotic. I am supporting
the Gardaí's Investigation to your assaults on me with your multiple
death threats - you most awful of gobshites.
You see - we know your history and your truth and we have a huge list
of all your lies and forgeries, your failed attempt to get elected as
a fascist canditate, your forged qualifications as druid, you total
lack of qualifications as a journalist - for full details please see -
http://orderofdruidsinireland.wetpaint.com/
Go get help, confess to your bishop - name the black friar and begin
your healing
You will get no rest McGrath until you change your ways.
cons...@eircom.net
You are not, were not, and could never be a druid - your word is that
of an alcoholic lithium addict catholic fascist and not worth shit.
Confess, see the doctor, name the black friar - start your healing
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
You know it all, Con. And you have everything but love.
cons...@eircom.net
Your admission that I know the truth about you does not change any of
the facts about you at all. You are a catholic fascist with the stated
intention to destroy Druidism. This I believe is part of your
agreement with your bishop to assist in the New Inquisition.
I do know about Love, as I give it and get it all around me, I am a
very happy man inside and outside as anyone who knows me will tell
you. But you do not know me - you sick perverter of truth - you only
know that I have exposed your evil ways and found out your true
intentions.
You, you poor sod, do not have Love. You quickly project your failings
onto others and then you try to demonise them but it is not working,
is it? All your failed magical illusions are returning to haunt you
and to chase you into a full retreat from the world of humans to a
nice warm bed with a view of the gardens with a nice clean white
jacket with sleeves that join up at the back.
GO tell the bishop the name of the black friar, confess your evil
ways, get stronger medication but first...
Stap away from the keyboard, cockroache.
Stacey Weinberger
>>
>> > You are not, were not, and could never be a druid - your word is that
>> > of an alcoholic lithium addict catholic fascist and not worth shit.
>>
>> > Confess, see the doctor, name the black friar - start your healing
>>
>> You know it all, Con. And you have everything but love.
>
> Your admission that I know the truth about you does not change any of
> the facts about you at all. You are a catholic fascist with the stated
> intention to destroy Druidism. This I believe is part of your
> agreement with your bishop to assist in the New Inquisition.
>
> I do know about Love, as I give it and get it all around me, I am a
> very happy man inside and outside as anyone who knows me will tell
> you. But you do not know me - you sick perverter of truth - you only
> know that I have exposed your evil ways and found out your true
> intentions.
>
> You, you poor sod, do not have Love. You quickly project your failings
> onto others and then you try to demonise them but it is not working,
> is it? All your failed magical illusions are returning to haunt you
> and to chase you into a full retreat from the world of humans to a
> nice warm bed with a view of the gardens with a nice clean white
> jacket with sleeves that join up at the back.
>
> GO tell the bishop the name of the black friar, confess your evil
> ways, get stronger medication but first...
>
> Stap away from the keyboard, cockroache.
You know, the more you tell him what not to do, the more he will want to do
it. Think dealing with a teenager or cat. You're wasting your typing
energy telling him to confess or stop posting.
Stacey
cons...@eircom.net
wrote:
Not true Stacy. He has begun to confess and to offer apologies however
weak, and he has repeatedly asked for peace and he has offered
anything he might offer to those he thinks are on this forum to take
sides against me at the same time. He has declared his true catholic
intention of intending to destroy druidism and by so doing he is
enforcing the Geis on himself. If you had the time and patience and
inclination you would be overwhelmed by the 1300 emails to Usenet
since he found it. He has attacked me and mine in most of them. This
is how he pretends he is important. If left unchecked he will generate
enough fake evidence that he will quote repeatedly until I am in
possession of weapons of mass destruction - this is McGrath potential.
Only darkness.
I have stopped him in many places and I will hunt him off the Internet
in to his much needed healing. He is losing his fake persona and
retreating into the corner that is ARD - how will you American treat
this vile imposter?
Dont be fooled by him, offer him truth and watch the reactions.
Stacey Weinberger
<cons...@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:1187470617.4...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
I have to disagree with you. He has attacked me in this forum and has shown
the same behavior on the email list I co-moderate as he has here.
Responding to him here will not make him stop. He will continue and
responding to him will only perpetuate it. This newsgroup is toast because
it's become all McGrath, all the time. The only way for you to really stop
his slander against you is to take legal action. Is there such thing as a
restraining order in Ireland? I would suggest you get a restraining order
against him. If he violates it according to its terms he could very well be
hauled off to jail. You are dealing with a mentally unstable person.
Confronting him with "truth" will not stop him. He might apologize one day
and the next be as vicious as always. he has done the same to me. You are
only perpetuating his behavior by reacting to it. Follow your own advice
and honor the geis against him. To not do so makes you look like a
hypocrite. If you don't honor your own geis how can people respect you?
Stacey
Kevin
> in to his much needed healing.
"I'll follow him around the Horn, and around the Norway maelstrom, and
around perdition's flames before I give him up."
"From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at
thee."
You will never, ever make anybody take healing. You will never, ever heal
anyone by using force. And you will never, ever persuade anybody to another
course of action from the force of hatred.
Kevin
Searles O'Dubhain
"Kevin" <laig...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fa7tqs$h4p$1...@aioe.org...
Besides all that, large white whales get grouchy when harpooned. :-)
Searles
cons...@eircom.net
> <consmi...@eircom.net> wrote in message
Your above dogmatic declarations to me seem to suggest that I must
endure McGrath's openly declared hated for me (and others that he has
never met) as unchangeable fact. I did not, do not and will not ever
believe that McGrath (or any other deluded fool) cannot change. Have
you never seen the spiritual alchemy of self-transformation despite
arrogance manifest itself in a pure beautiful way in even the most
terrible of people? I have, more than once.
When darkness reaches its deepest denial of Light, things begin to
change and the Light returns yet again. The daily pulse of the
magnetic field in response to the solar electrism is a total
resistance that is suddenly overcome and the change begins once again.
Alcoholics sober up, even if only for a few minutes... The ebb and
flow of the tides etc etc.
You are wrong when you suggest that I use force to heal another,
because I do not. I defend me and mine with controled force but I do
not force another into healing. I reduce McGrath's options and
restrict his free rein to defame threaten and insult. I suggest his
healing and the methods I see for him as encouragement to a tormented
traumatised soul. Why do you attack me? It is McGrath that spoils your
Usenet / the Internet - I merely chase him with his actual truth and
undo his lies to help portect new seekers of the Path to the Light
within while protecting my good name.
Your last phrase - "you will never, ever persuade anybody to another
course of action from the force of hatred" saddens me and kinda shows
that you and many others on this forum have not applied the purity of
truth where and when it is most needed. I will never forget what the
fascist catholic McGrath has said about me and mine and you (all of
ARD) facilitate his 'force of hatred' while I and Guy de Cervans and
others counter McGrath's venom by pure truth placed in front of his
evil lies. This has already caused change for McGrath.
In my opinion - there is no comfortable safe gound or any room for
middle class sensibilities or NIMBY or any other such denial of
reality because the fascist catholic McGrath has said and done so much
deliberate evil to me and mine that he will never have peace while he
prowls the www. This is my declared intention.
There is no sitting on the comfortable fence when you have been under
such severe and sustained attack from the most vile and outrageous
verbal projectile vomit of the declared fascist catholic McGrath whose
stated intention is to destroy Druidism, such as I have endured.
Nothing he says can make any change in me - but if he actually did
abandon the Internet by the force of the Geis and lack of options
(blogs, website and forums) then he would be helped and encouraged to
make a change - I do not force him - I merely remove his options to
hurt me and others.
Kevin please dont mistake the above as an attack on you, it is not an
attack on you. It is an attempt to share my conviction to protect
myself and my family and my reality from a demon and in so doing I
show my style or lack of it in such distasteful matters. I have said
it before and I'll say it again - this ARD Usenet does not know the
damage that the catholic fascist McGrath has deliberatly done to
destroy the Nurturing of Pagan Spirituality in Ireland over the last
ten years, he has fucked everything he could, his attacks on me are
savage byond understanding. I have over 1000 vicious vile emails from
McGrath, there are over 1300 emails on Usenet from McGrath and many of
them insult, threaten and assault me and mine.
Stop the bad guy and dont shoot the messenger, even if the message is
not nice....
The bad guy chose to be bad, the messenger is just delivering a
message....
Why is a declared catholic fascit allowed onto a Alternative
Spirituality Druid forum anyway?
Enforce the Geis on McGrath and dont attack McGrath's victims.
Stacey Weinberger
> message....
>
> Why is a declared catholic fascit allowed onto a Alternative
> Spirituality Druid forum anyway?
>
> Enforce the Geis on McGrath and dont attack McGrath's victims.
Follow your own advice on enforcement.
Stacey
ken...@gmail.com
wrote:
>
> Besides all that, large white whales get grouchy when harpooned. :-)
Best anology yet, I think.
Con, you just don't see it do you? You have allowed this whole
situation (that started just about eighteen months ago) change you.
You've become Ahab and McGrath has become your Moby. You hunt, you
search, you battle, to what avail? What has it actually gained you?
Naught, that I can see, other than bitterness. You've laid this quest
for the beast you percieve before you, blind to almost anything and
everything else around you that doesn't pertain to the hunt, your
quest to silence and/or discredit McGrath.
Not, by any means, that McGrath is innocent in the matter either. You,
Con, declined his offer for Archdruidship of wherever it was, and he
went ballistic over being spurned by you. His (McGrath) actions have
been anything but civil...just like yours.
It takes at least two sides to form a battle, yet it only takes one
side to end it.
And as to your Geis...
We have a popular phrase over here on this side of the pond for those
types of impossible feats..."it's like herding cats". There is only
one person in the entire world that you'd be able to enforce that Geis
with, and that is yourself. You only hold power to enforce such a
thing for yorself and whatever Orders you may be a part of. Your
boundaries of authority do not stretch through the entire world let
alone into the infinite space of cyberdom.
The same goes for McGrath. His only authority is with those who see
him as such, himself, the ODI and any affiliates.
I have friends in Ireland, and when EITHER of your names were brought
up to them their reply was "Who?"..."OD-what?"...and "What school?".
Both of you are legends in your own minds and neither of you have any
power (real or percieved) over me, save for the humor I get from
watching this pre-pubescent schoolyard battle.
If either or both of you were to openly declare that I "am not a
Druid" by Druidschool or ODI standards, I do believe I'd heave a sigh
of relief that I was not in either of two very smelly cesspools.
You want truth Con? Go read Melville's book and look real hard in a
mirror afterwards...
Just call me Ishmael, the observer and narrator through this whole
farce.
1X2Willows
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> [....]
> And as to your Geis...
> We have a popular phrase over here on this side of the pond for those
> types of impossible feats..."it's like herding cats". There is only
> one person in the entire world that you'd be able to enforce that Geis
> with, and that is yourself. You only hold power to enforce such a
> thing for yorself and whatever Orders you may be a part of. Your
> boundaries of authority do not stretch through the entire world let
> alone into the infinite space of cyberdom.
Thanks for making the point.
I know I'll ignore as I wish and respond as I please.
An authority to issue such a silly thing does not exist anywhere.
Dan
1X2Willows
aaaah just let him.
It's an advertisement of his very own newagey neodruidic recovering
churchgoer demon n'evil believer fluffy rainbow I'm-all-better-now
please-don't-hit-me "path to the Light" moichandise!
:-Dan
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
You may, of course, say that, Dan. Many would not and even more would
disagree. Stacey, of course,has her own agenda - that is sticking out
a mile. Cheers, Michael.
1X2Willows
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You've some cheek mentioning "agendas", CathoNazi of countless tongues.
Drui...@gmail.com
wrote:
> <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Pure unadulterated personal abuse of the uneducated kind. I shall not
descend up your level. Cheers, Michael.
Kevin
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I speak from the practical POV of a healer of nigh on 40 years standing who
has dealt with some fairly terrible problems.Yes, he can change - anyone
can. If they want to. However, you will never, ever force change - or
healing - on anyone. And alchemy has bugger all to do with druidism.
As for McGrath's hatred for you - and your hatred for him - I didn't say
that you had to endure it. You have legal remedies, such as laws against
cyberstalking, injunctions and libel. Use them, and cease making this NG
your battleground. Legal remedies are far more effective. Of course, whilst
you don't employ them, McGrath is free to do what he wants, and all your
opposition amounts to is shouting your head off on an NG, which achieves
nothing as far as your objectives are concerned, but does effectively
irritate the regulars. Then again, if you did actually achieve your goals,
the hunt is over. What would Ahab have done without Moby Dick?
> When darkness reaches its deepest denial of Light, things begin to
> change and the Light returns yet again. The daily pulse of the
> magnetic field in response to the solar electrism is a total
> resistance that is suddenly overcome and the change begins once again.
> Alcoholics sober up, even if only for a few minutes... The ebb and
> flow of the tides etc etc.
I'm not interested in poetics, right at this moment. I'm interested in
practical matters. The above is not an argument for anything. It is also
highly dualistic in its thinking. It's also not terribly good poetry and is
fairly meaningless.
> You are wrong when you suggest that I use force to heal another,
> because I do not. I defend me and mine with controled force but I do
> not force another into healing.
You frequently say that you are going to hound him until he takes healing.
In short, he will have no choice. If that isn't forcing him into healing, I
don't know what is.
> I reduce McGrath's options and
> restrict his free rein to defame threaten and insult.
No you don't. You slag him off endlessly on this NG, which isn't the same
thing at all. It's just matching insult with insult, and threat with threat.
From your behaviour on this NG there is nothing to chose betwen you.
> I suggest his
> healing and the methods I see for him as encouragement to a tormented
> traumatised soul. Why do you attack me? It is McGrath that spoils your
> Usenet / the Internet - I merely chase him with his actual truth and
> undo his lies to help portect new seekers of the Path to the Light
> within while protecting my good name.
No - it is the combination of you and McGrath. This NG is not
alt.I_hate_McGrath - however, you might doubt that when you see the amount
of bile spilling from both of you. As I recall, not long ago you suggested
that his kneecaps might be at some risk
> Your last phrase - "you will never, ever persuade anybody to another
> course of action from the force of hatred" saddens me and kinda shows
> that you and many others on this forum have not applied the purity of
> truth where and when it is most needed. I will never forget what the
> fascist catholic McGrath has said about me and mine and you (all of
> ARD) facilitate his 'force of hatred' while I and Guy de Cervans and
> others counter McGrath's venom by pure truth placed in front of his
> evil lies. This has already caused change for McGrath.
I don't doubt that he has injured you and yours. That is not the point. You
have become as uncritical and monomaniacal in your pursuit of McGrath as
Ahab was in pursuit of Moby Dick. You're not using pure truth. Not in the
least. You're using hatred, venom, bile, threats and insults. You are as far
from firenne as McGrath is.
I could point to any number of hotspots round the world where hatred is
endemic, and memories of injuries done by the other side is used by both
sides to justify fresh atrocities. As a result, neither side is right - both
left any wisdom behind long ago. This is no different, except that you're
not blowing folks up.
As a wise person once said, "he who fights too long against dragons becomes
a dragon himself"
> In my opinion - there is no comfortable safe gound or any room for
> middle class sensibilities or NIMBY or any other such denial of
> reality because the fascist catholic McGrath has said and done so much
> deliberate evil to me and mine that he will never have peace while he
> prowls the www. This is my declared intention.
That's your opinion, that other people have to see it your way because of
the injuries that you've received. No one else has to share your opinion.
The fact that he has injured you doesn't mean that it has to become anyone
else's battle - it's yours to resolve. At the moment, you are not resolving
it very effectively. You are however making sure that everyone else gets
splattered with shit.
> There is no sitting on the comfortable fence when you have been under
> such severe and sustained attack from the most vile and outrageous
> verbal projectile vomit of the declared fascist catholic McGrath whose
> stated intention is to destroy Druidism, such as I have endured.
It doesn't really matter what his stated intention is. I can state my
intention to destroy the UK, or sel the Eiffel Tower for scrap, as often as
I like, but unless I had any viable way of doing it, I'd just be another
self-important nutter of no account.
As for dealing with sustained attack - the remedy is your hands. See a
solicitor. Then again, you may rather have queered the legal pitch by
equally venomous, sustained attacks on him, and you might find yourself open
to a charge of cyberstalking. Indeed, your intention to chase him off the
net is pretty much a prima facie admission of cyberstalking, and McGrath
could in fact get an injunction against you because of the way that you are
prosecuting this vendetta. That however is your responsibility.
In short, your own actions are putting you at risk of being on the recieving
end of a legal action, should McGrath choose to pursue one.It would probably
be successful.
> Nothing he says can make any change in me - but if he actually did
> abandon the Internet by the force of the Geis and lack of options
> (blogs, website and forums) then he would be helped and encouraged to
> make a change - I do not force him - I merely remove his options to
> hurt me and others.
>
> Kevin please dont mistake the above as an attack on you, it is not an
> attack on you. It is an attempt to share my conviction to protect
> myself and my family and my reality from a demon and in so doing I
> show my style or lack of it in such distasteful matters.
He isn't a demon. He's just another loon let lose by the miracles of modern
technology.
Were I in your shoes, this would have ended long ago, quietly and very
effectively. I'd not be wasting my time ineffectually spouting venom on NGs
and splattering uninvolved people with the crap produced by my vendetta.
> I have said
> it before and I'll say it again - this ARD Usenet does not know the
> damage that the catholic fascist McGrath has deliberatly done to
> destroy the Nurturing of Pagan Spirituality in Ireland over the last
> ten years, he has fucked everything he could, his attacks on me are
> savage byond understanding. I have over 1000 vicious vile emails from
> McGrath, there are over 1300 emails on Usenet from McGrath and many of
> them insult, threaten and assault me and mine.
Hmm! Well, when I checked via my Irish pagan contacts, the reaction to him
was "ho hum". Their further comments were that the two of you deserve each
other.
And if one loon can cause that much damage to Irish paganism, then it wasn't
very strong in the first place and should be rethinking its position. If he
hasn't caused that much damage, then you're exagerating.
> Stop the bad guy and dont shoot the messenger, even if the message is
> not nice....
>
> The bad guy chose to be bad, the messenger is just delivering a
> message....
. . . whilst delivering a hail of bullets of his own that has everyone
ducking.
> Why is a declared catholic fascit allowed onto a Alternative
> Spirituality Druid forum anyway?
You really don't get it, do you? Everyone is allowed into a public space.
There is no way anyone - not even the KKK or Adolf Hitler himself - can be
booted off this group. Anyone, no matter how vile, can turn up here and say
their piece, can hang around as long as it feels it amuses them *and there
is nothing you, I or Old King Cole can do about it.* There is no means of
shutting them up, banishing them, excluding them or silencing them. None at
all. All that you can achieve here is to fill up the bandwidth with endless,
pointless diatribes of how much you hate McGrath. In doing that, you may
manage to achieve McGrath's aims by destroying a pagan newsgroup and driving
away for good any newbie seekers who come here, take on look at the mess the
two of you have created, and leg it forever.
All your shouting, all your raging, will not suddenly have McGrath banned,
because there is no way to ban him. He comes or goes as he wishes, as do
you, and there is nothing anyone can do to make it otherwise. There's no
'allow' involved at all - no one can give or remove permission.
Pity - because if there was such a mechanism, I'd bar the both of you now.
> Enforce the Geis on McGrath and dont attack McGrath's victims.
Err, exactly why should I enforce a geis on him, and who are you to order me
to do so? True, he irritates me - I just pay him no mind. However, between
the two of you however you have managed to turn this NG into a bear garden.
Now were there any means of excluding anyone, I'd chose to exclude you both,
so that you can take your fight elsewhere.
Were I to come into your pub in pursuit of another newbie to the pub to
continue a row with him, and kept insisting that everyone joined in on my
side whenever I wanted to lamp him, and insisted that my intention was to
make sure that he stopped going down pubs, I'm quite sure the regulars would
get pissed off. In my own local, you'd find the regulars picking both
parties up by the collar and booting them out the door. They might even get
a little roughing up on the way out, and neither would be let back in.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of it, in this place, in this NG, you
are as bad as each other, regardless of what went before. Further, I
particularly take exception to the expectation that I and everyone else
*must* join your side, regardless of the fact that I don't know either of
you from Adam, and that I've only got your word for what the row is about.
Now your account is, by definition going to be biased. As I said, I do not
know you from Adam, I have no idea whether you are trustworthy, or whether
you have contributed to the situation. IRL I have known people lie to try
and get me to deal with someone for them. I wouldn't take a stranger's word
for what a row is about in IRL. I would therefore be a fool to commit myself
to one side or the other now.
There is therefore no "must" about it, and the fact that you keep on
insisting that everyone "must" do this or that makes me even less willing.
Kevin
Drui...@gmail.com
>
> read more »
Non Believer is the Lambay Island Volcano.
Drui...@gmail.com
>
> read more »
To be Druid, you must, according to Connors:
1..Hate all other Churches, Religions and Belief Systems
2. Believe in the Lambay Island Volcano as dogma
3. Accept Connors as Infallible.
4. Pay him Money
5 Accept Modern Paganism as Druidry
6 Support Connors and hate everybody he hates.
7. Participate in Cyberstalking
8. Accept Connors as your Lord and Saviour & Dwyer as Prophet.
9. Defy Logic and Science
10.Toe the Party Line according to Connors & Dwyer.
Stacey Weinberger
Bravo Kevin! Well said!
Stacey
Kevin
news:13chbt1...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Bravo Kevin! Well said!
>
> Stacey
Well, I got irritated, with some justification. There's one law that he's
not mentioned, since he's so gone on Irish law - the law of hospitality. We
may not own this place, but like a pub it is in a sense ours. We may
squabble and argue amongst each other - but those are our fights. Anyone
coming in is presuming on our hospitality - and that also presumes that they
are going to be a good guest until they become a member of this somewhat
dysfunctional family. Brehon law does cover bad guests - and these are bad
guests that presume too much and wish to involve us in their fight. Indeed,
they demand that we chose sides. By what power? By what authority? Both of
them have about as much acquaintance with firenne as my arse has with steam
navigation!
I don't bother with geas when someone ticks me off. I go straight for satire
and a judgement. The last target was Teflon Tony's government, when every
lie they uttered was swallowed uncritically by the Press.
By the way, the actual comment from my Irish contacts, some of whom are
highly traditional, from old poetic families (not that they'd tell either of
these two), with traditions close to my own was "Ah, the fascist and the
twat! There's nothing to chose between them and they deserve each other."
That's from people who have actually met them in the flesh. They are both
complete nonentities, puffed up with their own self-importance and vendetta.
The sum total that either will have on the history of the world is exactly
zero. When they finally pop their clogs, none will even remember them.
And if you think that you can hear an echo of a satire and judgement that's
brewing, you may not be too wrong. Assuming that I can be wasting my time on
them.
I was rather amused about the accusation of 'middle class sensibilities',
The first thing I learnt, as a kid, was healing. The next thing I learnt was
being a warrior, by way of wearing a patch, studying martial arts, and
shugendo. Patch clubs are a million miles from 'middle class sensibilities'
and my attitude to martial arts was almost monastic. 'King Arthur' and I
have some similarities; he may have less self-discipline, from what I hear.
Along side that, the Gaffer taught me what he knew, till that came to be
dominant. An old path - retired warriors often spent the rest of their lives
following some religious or philosophical path. Though it is not a
'sweetness and light' neopagan path, has no connection with wiccan ideas, or
alchemy, or indeed anything later than the medieval period, and is in fact
as brutal and unyielding as the rock of the land in which I was born, and
the rock of the land on which my ancestors lived. Volcanic rocks and a hard
land make for a resilient people who can be as unyielding as the land on
which they live. Small stuff they don't sweat - annoying stuff is another
matter.
I don't often get this irritated. However, having been the unofficial
bouncer for a pub in the past, my reaction would, IRL, be "take it outside."
If this was a physical location, both parties would be at risk of getting
decked, and bodily thrown out to continue their vendetta outside. If they
didn't go - well, it wouldn't be the first time that I've broken someone's
arm.
Kevin
Drui...@gmail.com
> "Stacey Weinberger" <poppin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Or that I have put a man in intensive care in the Beaumont Hospital in
Dublin in defence of my life. But, be that as it may, you have the
situation mostly correct, Kevin.
Application for High Court Injunction is now the one and only remedy,
no matter what the personal cost.
1X2Willows
<Drui...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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heh... you got to be pretty low if you have to descend *up* to anything.
:-D - but we knew that already, now didn't we...
1X2Willows
>
> Bravo Kevin! Well said!
>
> Stacey
>
aye!
Dan
1x2 Willows
Note to public:
Don't mind this loony. Simply mindboggling. Looks indeed like
someone blew the doors off of all the funny farms on the globe.
> aye!
> Dan
1x2 Willows
>
> heh... you got to be pretty low if you have to descend *up* to anything.
> :-D - but we knew that already, now didn't we
Dan Felber aka Willows is a NEO-Nazi and a Fugitive of Switzerland.
1X2Willows
news:1187661687.6...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dan Felber aka Willows is a NEO-Nazi and a Fugitive of Switzerland.
>
That's boring old news, Moishele. Tell us something exciting like
I also eat babies and have a portrait of Charlie Manson tattoed on my
third butt cheek. Furthermore, Cthulhu is my spiritual guide whenever
Satan himself isn't available for one-on-one lessons and I slaughtered
my Kindergarten teacher with a sharpened crayola already at the tender
age of five because she wouldn't let me handle any of the green Legos.
oh... and I have notoriously smelly feet, bad breath and green teeth.
That about cover it for today?
Now go slam yer meds and make sure to use the horse syringe.
root
wrote:
> >"Alexander Moshe" <franz.beglin...@gmail.com> [fake eMail] wrote
Aw Dan, you got a pet nutter, you should take good care of it ;)
golwg
Matthew
1X2Willows
Guess what. I do feel honoured in some peculiar way.
:-Dan