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by Robert Staddon








They stood erect, lined up along each side of the highway, grimly facing
the oncoming traffic. Some were old enough to remember a myriad of such
protests in the past twenty-eight years. Others were quite young and
innocently smiled at each passing vehicle. Each held a sign which made
their cause blatantly clear to all who passed by: "Abortion Kills
Children." Perhaps they did not realize the full implications of what
they were claiming. Were they implying a women had no right to privacy?
Were they saying a fetus was a real person and not just a potential
person? Were they claiming that the Supreme Court was wrong? The
incensed response of some who drove by made clear that this is one of
the most controversial issues of our day. Does abortion kill children?


In 1973, the US Supreme Court ruled in Roe vs. Wade that the
government had no business interfering with a woman’s right to choose if
she should have an abortion. They cited the Fifth Amendment of the
Constitution, which allegedly guaranteed her right to privacy.
Consequently, it was asserted that a women should have a right to
control her own body. Abortions were made legal because no one had any
business interfering with what a woman chose to do with her body. This
decision was personal. Intruding on people’s private problems was not
the Government’s responsibility. While forcefully declaring a women’s
rights, however, the court breezed over the important issue of whether
or not a fetus is actually a person.


There is no dispute that before conception there is no person.
There is no dispute that after birth there is a person. There is no
dispute that during the intervening period of nine months there is
something living in the mother’s womb. Is it a person or only a
potential person? Scientifically, we have a problem. Although we can
measure the development from a cell to a baby, we cannot prove when it
becomes a person because that is beyond science. Some claim that it is a
human being from the moment of conception. To others it becomes a human
being at the point of viability, when it can survive outside the womb.
Still others state that it is still only a potential human being until
the moment of birth. Considering it logically, however, we find that
location is the only real difference between a baby in the womb and a
baby in the world. What distinctions are there between a baby not yet
born and a baby born prematurely which would allow one to be killed and
the other left alive? What makes someone a person?


Studying our nation’s history, we find that this is not the first
time that the personhood of human beings has been debated. Scientists in
the 1800's attempted to prove that Negroes were physiologically
inferior. In addition, the Supreme Court’s infamous Dred Scott decision
concluded that although they may have been human biologically, a slave
was not a legal person because he was not a citizen. Thus, he could not
be protected by the Fifth Amendment: "No person shall ... be deprived of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." In their ruling
they stated, "... a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this
country, and sold as slaves. . . were not intended to be included under
the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can, therefore, claim none
of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and
secures to citizens of the United States." This brings to light a
striking parallel between the logic used to defend slavery and that used
to defend abortion. Clearly, they thought a black man only became a
legal person when he was set free. Now, an unborn baby only becomes a
person at birth. A slave owner supposedly had a right to do what he
wanted with his own property and a woman now supposedly has a right to
do what she wants with her own body. As in our day, people imagined that
the personhood of a human being should depend on public opinion. So much
for equality. It took the American Civil War and the passage of the
Fourteenth Amendment to finally restore African-American’s their
unalienable rights. "If we don’t learn from history, we are bound to
repeat it."


As we learn from our nation’s history, the Supreme Court can be
wrong. A woman’s right to privacy exists only if the fetus is not a real
person. If indeed an unborn child really is a human being, the
government must protect his life. The Court cannot confer the so-called
"right to abort" on one class of people (pregnant women) by depriving
another class (children in the womb) of a more fundamental right. Our
nation has declared in the Declaration of Independence that we are
endowed by our Creator with an inalienable right to life, which is
protected under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Legally, the right
to life must supersede the right to privacy. As Abraham Lincoln so
simply put it, "No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong."
Thus, the abortion dispute hinges on one single issue: is the unborn a
person or only a potential person? The dictionary defines a person as a
human being. So the question is this, when does a human being become a
human being? The answer is simple: A living thing is itself and not
something else, and it remains itself as long as it exists. "A human
being becomes a human being when it becomes a being. The fact is, when a
thing is something it never becomes something else. The development that
we see in our life from a single cell into maturity is dictated by the
kind of being we happen to be. It can develop into twins or triplets. It
can attach itself in a way that it ends up killing the child. But what
it cannot do is to become something other than what it is, and that is
the point. It is a human being. From the time this separate being comes
into existence it is a human being and it is a human being throughout."
From an embryo, to a baby, to a child, to an adult, to a senior citizen
the only thing that changes is what it looks like. Perhaps the
pro-choice movement is right and the uproar since 1973 has all been over
nothing. If, however, they are wrong, the unprecedented killing of
innocent children known as abortion is the most horrible holocaust our
nation has ever experienced.




Copyright © 2002 by the author














--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com


Mozilla Firefax (Not Responding)

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May 27, 2012, 5:48:53 PM5/27/12
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“Abortion foes never want

To admit the fact they won’t confront:

Those unviable tissues that they treasure

Are not babies by any measure.”


-- K.S. Spalding

chibiabos

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May 27, 2012, 6:00:11 PM5/27/12
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In article <5lqn4c....@news.alt.net>, <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

> They stood erect,

Now we know why this article was so appealing to you.

-chib

--
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor

elizabeth

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May 27, 2012, 10:27:53 PM5/27/12
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On May 27, 3:00 pm, chibiabos <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <5lqn4c.3v1.1...@news.alt.net>, <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > They stood erect,
>
> Now we know why this article was so appealing to you.
>
> -chib
>
> --
> Member of S.M.A.S.H.
> Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor

Well, if you can't get anything else erect ... of course you would
want to destroy women ... you know a lot of rapists can't get it up
and use that as an excuse to brutalize women ... if they can't rape
using the usual weapon, they find other ways to destroy a woman, and
forced gestation is the worst form of rape.

W.T.S.

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May 28, 2012, 1:28:27 AM5/28/12
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In article <5lqn4c....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
>
> by Robert Strapon
>
SNIP!
Snipped at first bit of lying bull shit, pro-lie, forced-birther, anti-
choice nonsense, why repost?
>
Summary: "J" and friends still embrace the big lie, so what else is
new?
>
P.S. Abortion is still beautiful and natural, that never changes.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38

SkyEyes

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May 28, 2012, 1:40:17 AM5/28/12
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On May 27, 1:08 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> by Robert Staddon

Forced birther propaganda snipped.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

Paul Duca

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May 28, 2012, 8:53:35 AM5/28/12
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On May 27, 4:08 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> I do admit...obsessing over that question is the ONLY thing I have
> to occupy myself.
>
> --
> J Young
> jdyou...@ymail.com

Jason

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May 28, 2012, 3:20:42 PM5/28/12
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In article
<14e668c0-b708-4c01...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
OK--the person that is obsessing over that question and NOW stop obsessing
since I will provide the answer.

Abortion Kills Children: Truth or Deception.

Where do children come from? The answer is that all children were once
unborn babies or fetuses.

When an unborn baby (or fetus) is aborted--it caused the unborn baby (or
fetus) to be killed (or aborted).

That means that abortion kills unborn babies.

That also means that Abortion Kills Children. It's the truth and is not a
deception. So--stop obsessing over that question.

Abortion stops a beating heart.

Abortion=Murder


tirebiter

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May 28, 2012, 3:28:40 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 3:20 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
Jason's back like a bad penny and lying his little heart out as
always.

I guess his Usenet addiction is uncontrollable.

Your god commits hundreds of times more abortions than all the doctors
combined, liar Jason.

---
a.a. #2273

elizabeth

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May 28, 2012, 3:31:50 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 12:20 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
>
> Duca <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 27, 4:08=A0pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > > I do admit...obsessing over that question is the ONLY thing I have
> > > to occupy myself.
>
> > > --
> > > J Young
> > > jdyou...@ymail.com
>
> OK--the person that is obsessing over that question and NOW stop obsessing
> since I will provide the answer.
>
> Abortion Kills Children: Truth or Deception.
>
> Where do children come from? The answer is that all children were once
> unborn babies or fetuses.
>
> When an unborn baby (or fetus) is aborted--it caused the unborn baby (or
> fetus) to be killed (or aborted).
>
> That means that abortion kills unborn babies.
>
> That also means that Abortion Kills Children. It's the truth and is not a
> deception. So--stop obsessing over that question.

Wrong. Abortion kills an embryo or fetus.

> Abortion stops a beating heart.
>
> Abortion=Murder

Very few killings are considered murder. Abortion never has been
murder, in any legal code or under common law, even when abortion
itself was illegal.

Bearing False Witness is a Sin. Calling Abortion Murder is Bearing
False Witness.

Abortion is not banned in the bible. Therefore, you are not only
bearing false witness, you are presuming to speak for god ... which,
according to jesus, is a bad thing.

Jason

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May 28, 2012, 4:08:23 PM5/28/12
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In article
<c710ff37-e534-4e50...@tx6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 28, 12:20=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
> >
> > Duca <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 27, 4:08=3DA0pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > > > I do admit...obsessing over that question is the ONLY thing I have
> > > > to occupy myself.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > J Young
> > > > jdyou...@ymail.com
> >
> > OK--the person that is obsessing over that question and NOW stop obsessin=
> g
> > since I will provide the answer.
> >
> > Abortion Kills Children: Truth or Deception.
> >
> > Where do children come from? The answer is that all children were once
> > unborn babies or fetuses.
> >
> > When an unborn baby (or fetus) is aborted--it caused the unborn baby (or
> > fetus) to be killed (or aborted).
> >
> > That means that abortion kills unborn babies.
> >
> > That also means that Abortion Kills Children. It's the truth and is not a
> > deception. So--stop obsessing over that question.
>
> Wrong. Abortion kills an embryo or fetus.
>
> > Abortion stops a beating heart.
> >
> > Abortion=3DMurder
>
> Very few killings are considered murder. Abortion never has been
> murder, in any legal code or under common law, even when abortion
> itself was illegal.
>
> Bearing False Witness is a Sin. Calling Abortion Murder is Bearing
> False Witness.
>
> Abortion is not banned in the bible. Therefore, you are not only
> bearing false witness, you are presuming to speak for god ... which,
> according to jesus, is a bad thing.

I am now 61 years old. When I was in high school--a lady that worked for
Planned Parenthood gave a lecture to a class. I was in that class room
when she gave the lecture. She told the class members that a fetus was
nothing more than a mass of tissue.

The staff members employed by Planned Parenthood can no longer get away
with telling the LIE mentioned above.

They now have excellent color ultrasound machines that can produce a
detailed images of fetuses. They can even determine the sex (male or
female) of fetuses. Pregnant mothers now show ultrasound color pictures of
their fetuses. You have probably seen such pictures--I have.

You may honestly believe that abortion is NOT murder. However, there are
millions of Americans that now know that abortion is murder.

One state passed a law that required anyone seeking an abortion to have an
ultrasound and was required to see a color picture of their fetus. Planned
Parenthood went to court to try to get that law declared unconstitutional.
I don't know what the judge or judges ruled in that case.

The truth is that the staff members employed by Planned Parenthood don't
want pregnant women to see pictures of their fetuses since they know that
would influence them to now have abortions. The end result would that
Planned Parenthood would lose millions of dollars since they profit from
abortions.

Thousands of abortion clinics have been closed down due to peaceful
protests outside those abortion clinics.


W.T.S.

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May 28, 2012, 4:15:44 PM5/28/12
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In article <Jason-28051...@66-53-213-126.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com says...
> > On May 27, 4:08=A0pm, J <Jerk...@Liar.com> wrote:
> > > I do admit...obsessing over that question is the ONLY thing I have
> > > to occupy myself.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerk Young
> > > Jerk...@Liar.com
>
> OK--the person that is obsessing over that question and NOW stop obsessing
> since I will provide the answer.
>
> Abortion Kills Children: Truth or Deception.
>
> Deception! Life can only begin at birth, never conception. So, no
> child is involved in any abortion. End of debate.
>
> Jason

Good point, thanks!

tirebiter

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May 28, 2012, 4:16:58 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 4:08 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <c710ff37-e534-4e50-9d4d-0c6b95f0d...@tx6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Still lying, eh Jason?

You never had any such lecture in your high school.

Planned Parenthood performs vital women's health services, and
abortion services are a tiny fraction of the things they do. They are
also very involved in helping poor women give birth to healthy babies
while staying healthy themselves.

But you have proved over and over how much you hate poor people and
don't ever want to help them no matter what.

Did you ever find the name of even a single so-called "socialist
program" you disapprove of?

You are a horrible person, Jason.

---
a.a. #2273

elizabeth

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May 28, 2012, 4:20:24 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 1:08 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <c710ff37-e534-4e50-9d4d-0c6b95f0d...@tx6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Oh, dear, this sounds like an early Alzheimer's patient ....

> I am now 61 years old. When I was in high school--a lady that worked for
> Planned Parenthood

BZZZT! PP doesn't do that, and most certainly didn't do that in the
late 1960s when you would have been in high school.

> gave a lecture to a class. I was in that class room
> when she gave the lecture. She told the class members that a fetus was
> nothing more than a mass of tissue.

Name of high school and date of that speech, if you don't mind.

> The staff members employed by Planned Parenthood can no longer get away
> with telling the LIE mentioned above.
>
> They now have excellent color ultrasound machines that can produce a
> detailed images of fetuses. They can even determine the sex (male or
> female) of fetuses. Pregnant mothers now show ultrasound color pictures of
> their fetuses. You have probably seen such pictures--I have.
>
> You may honestly believe that abortion is NOT murder. However, there are
> millions of Americans that now know that abortion is murder.
>
> One state passed a law that required anyone seeking an abortion to have an
> ultrasound and was required to see a color picture of their fetus. Planned
> Parenthood went to court to try to get that law declared unconstitutional.
> I don't know what the judge or judges ruled in that case.
>
> The truth is that the staff members employed by Planned Parenthood don't
> want pregnant women to see pictures of their fetuses since they know that
> would influence them to now have abortions. The end result would that
> Planned Parenthood would lose millions of dollars since they profit from
> abortions.
>
> Thousands of abortion clinics have been closed down due to peaceful
> protests outside those abortion clinics.

Lying is a sin. Good thing you're not christian, eh?

Alex W.

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May 28, 2012, 8:17:54 PM5/28/12
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Under your logic, anyone killing any person of sexual maturity
would also have to be charged with the murder of any number of
potential children. After all, babies come from mummy and daddy
having rumpy-pumpy so killing a mummy or a daddy also kills all
those babies that could, possibly, in due course and absent any
protection, conceivably have been conceived.

You cannot predict the future. Therefore, you cannot say whether
any pregnancy will certainly be carried to term. Mummy-to-be
might fall down the stairs tomorrow. She might spontaneously
abort. She might fall sick and curing her might kill the foetus.
In fact, a million things can happen between conception and
birth. This means that any foetus is only a POTENTIAL human
being. It isn't here yet. It does not exist yet.

Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)

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May 28, 2012, 10:14:51 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 4:08 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:


Jason, can you tell us just HOW your existence has improved in the
SLIGHTEST by your being anti-abortion?


Paul

Jason

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May 29, 2012, 12:56:24 AM5/29/12
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In article <1dumpn68xl9dr.1t2rkcgeqqbtq$.d...@40tude.net>,
You have your point of view and I have my point of view. If you choose to
believe that the aborting of a 8 month old fetus is NOT murder--so be it.

As you may know, many pre-mature babies are 8 months old and are able to
live outside the womb.

I continue to believe that abortion is equal to murder.

If a Mummy-to-be falls downs the stairs and the fetus is killed--that is
NOT first degree murder. It's like an accidental killing.

Let's say that a child rode his bicycle in front of your car and you ran
over that child. The cops tested your blood and determined that you were
not drunk or high on drugs. In most cases, you would never have to serve
time in jail or prison for accidentally killing that child.

On the other hand, when an abortion doctor aborts an abortion--it is like
first degree murder.

I don't have problems when abortions are done to save the lives of the mothers.


Jason

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May 29, 2012, 1:02:12 AM5/29/12
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In article
<345f0efa-6532-487f...@c19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, "Paul
Duca (tomser...@comcast.net)" <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul,
Good question. You made me have to take the time to think.

The only answer that comes to mind is that I respect life. If I was an
advocate for abortion--it would mean that I did not respect life.

My existence has improved since I am an advocate for life--not death.


Has your existence improved in the slightest by being pro-abortion?


elizabeth

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May 29, 2012, 12:57:01 AM5/29/12
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On May 28, 9:56 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <1dumpn68xl9dr.1t2rkcgeqqbtq$....@40tude.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:20:42 -0700, Jason wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
No, it is not like first degree murder, nor any degree of murder, for
in fact, even when abortion itself was felonious, it was not
considered murder

SkyEyes

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May 29, 2012, 2:14:16 AM5/29/12
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On May 27, 1:08 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:

<Snip drivel>

>  From an embryo, to a baby, to a child, to an adult, to a senior citizen
> the only thing that changes is what it looks like.

So: an 8-week-old embryo can drive a car? Do algebra? Fall in love?
Have a fight with his neighbor? Make a peanut-butter-and-jelly
sandwich? Vote?

If you said "No" to any of these, then you're admitting that there's a
tremendous difference between an embryo, a child, an adult, and a
senior citizen. I'm 62, and I damn well *better* have more rights
than an embryo.

SkyEyes

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May 29, 2012, 2:16:04 AM5/29/12
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On May 28, 10:02 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <345f0efa-6532-487f-b78a-9c3a49d6f...@c19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, "Paul
>
> Duca (tomservo56...@comcast.net)" <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 28, 4:08=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > Jason, can you tell us just HOW your existence has improved in the
> > SLIGHTEST by your being anti-abortion?
>
> > Paul
>
> Paul,
> Good question. You made me have to take the time to think.
>
> The only answer that comes to mind is that I respect life. If I was an
> advocate for abortion--it would mean that I did not respect life.

Horsepucky. It doesn't mean you "respect life," it means you value
quantity over quality.
>
> My existence has improved since I am an advocate for life--not death.

The existence of women hasn't improved since abortion rights have been
eroded away by people like you. Quite the opposite, in fact.
>
> Has your existence improved in the slightest by being pro-abortion?

I can say with conviction, having once had an abortion, YES, it HAS.

SkyEyes

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May 29, 2012, 2:36:53 AM5/29/12
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On May 28, 9:56 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <1dumpn68xl9dr.1t2rkcgeqqbtq$....@40tude.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:20:42 -0700, Jason wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
NOBODY aborts an 8-month fetus, for christ's fucking sake. That's
just stupid. Any woman who carries for 8 months *wants* the baby.
>
> As you may know, many pre-mature babies are 8 months old and are able to
> live outside the womb.

And none are aborted.
>
> I continue to believe that abortion is equal to murder.

I continue to believe that religious education kills the human
spirit. So what?
>
> If a Mummy-to-be falls downs the stairs and the fetus is killed--that is
> NOT first degree murder. It's like an accidental killing.
>
> Let's say that a child rode his bicycle in front of your car and you ran
> over that child. The cops tested your blood and determined that you were
> not drunk or high on drugs. In most cases, you would never have to serve
> time in jail or prison for accidentally killing that child.
>
> On the other hand, when an abortion doctor aborts an abortion--it is like
> first degree murder.

Oh, horsepucky. An 8-week embryo is *nothing* like a child that can
ride a bicycle. See my post upthread.
>
> I don't have problems when abortions are done to save the lives of the mothers.

Why? That's very inconsistent of you.

elizabeth

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May 29, 2012, 2:36:56 AM5/29/12
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On May 28, 9:56 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <1dumpn68xl9dr.1t2rkcgeqqbtq$....@40tude.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:20:42 -0700, Jason wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
Umm . .the law has nothing to do with one's point of view. The law is
setttled, and the fact is, by law, abortion is not, nor has it ever
been, murder.
Your opinion of the law has no bearing on reality.

> You have your point of view and I have my point of view. If you choose to
> believe that the aborting of a 8 month old fetus is NOT murder--so be it.
>
> As you may know, many pre-mature babies are 8 months old and are able to
> live outside the womb.

and many fetuses aren't viable. But since almost all abortions take
place in the first three months, what of it?
BTW, viable fetuses are delivered. Because women don't carry an
unwanted pregnancy that long.

> I continue to believe that abortion is equal to murder.

well, that makes you legally insane. You don't get to determine what
the law is.

Dino

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Yet, you choose to violate federal laws. So please, spare us this
false bullshit about
laws, and what you "think" you know. When you in fact are a
hypocrite, who violates
federal law and is a druggy.
And speaking of insane...people who go around telling others to kill
themselves...that's insane!
And since when did you get your Dx to make such a call, calling
someone else "legally" insane?
Please, show your credentials.

Isn't that what you ask others?

Yea, run now coward.

tirebiter

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May 29, 2012, 8:34:58 AM5/29/12
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On May 29, 1:02 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <345f0efa-6532-487f-b78a-9c3a49d6f...@c19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, "Paul
>
> Duca (tomservo56...@comcast.net)" <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 28, 4:08=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > Jason, can you tell us just HOW your existence has improved in the
> > SLIGHTEST by your being anti-abortion?
>
> > Paul
>
> Paul,
> Good question. You made me have to take the time to think.
>
> The only answer that comes to mind is that I respect life. If I was an
> advocate for abortion--it would mean that I did not respect life.
>
> My existence has improved since I am an advocate for life--not death.
>
> Has your existence improved in the slightest by being pro-abortion?

Then why are you pro-death penalty?

Then why do you hate ALL muslims?

Then why do you hate homeless people and want them locked up and kept
away from "regular people"?

Then why do you openly hate whole groups of people you've never had
any contact with?

You don't respect life. you live in a bubble of your own making and
NEVER venture out of it.

How's your Usenet detoxing going?

---
a.a. #2273

duke

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On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT), tirebiter <dontsp...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>On May 28, 3:20 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> In article
>> <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
>>
>> Duca <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On May 27, 4:08=A0pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> > > I do admit...obsessing over that question is the ONLY thing I have
>> > > to occupy myself.
>>
>> > > --
>> > > J Young
>> > > jdyou...@ymail.com
>>
>> OK--the person that is obsessing over that question and NOW stop obsessing
>> since I will provide the answer.
>>
>> Abortion Kills Children: Truth or Deception.
>>
>> Where do children come from? The answer is that all children were once
>> unborn babies or fetuses.
>>
>> When an unborn baby (or fetus) is aborted--it caused the unborn baby (or
>> fetus) to be killed (or aborted).
>>
>> That means that abortion kills unborn babies.
>>
>> That also means that Abortion Kills Children. It's the truth and is not a
>> deception. So--stop obsessing over that question.
>>
>> Abortion stops a beating heart.
>>
>> Abortion=Murder
>
>Jason's back like a bad penny and lying his little heart out as
>always.

But he nailed your butt.

>I guess his Usenet addiction is uncontrollable.
>
>Your god commits hundreds of times more abortions than all the doctors
>combined, liar Jason.
>
>---
>a.a. #2273

duke - American American

*****
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012
*****

duke

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May 29, 2012, 8:39:04 AM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:31:50 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On May 28, 12:20 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> In article
>> <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
>>
>> Duca <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On May 27, 4:08=A0pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> > > I do admit...obsessing over that question is the ONLY thing I have
>> > > to occupy myself.
>>
>> > > --
>> > > J Young
>> > > jdyou...@ymail.com
>>
>> OK--the person that is obsessing over that question and NOW stop obsessing
>> since I will provide the answer.
>>
>> Abortion Kills Children: Truth or Deception.
>>
>> Where do children come from? The answer is that all children were once
>> unborn babies or fetuses.
>>
>> When an unborn baby (or fetus) is aborted--it caused the unborn baby (or
>> fetus) to be killed (or aborted).
>>
>> That means that abortion kills unborn babies.
>>
>> That also means that Abortion Kills Children. It's the truth and is not a
>> deception. So--stop obsessing over that question.
>
>Wrong. Abortion kills an embryo or fetus.

Once fertilized and the cell splits the first time, a human life exists from
that moment until human death.,

>> Abortion stops a beating heart.
>> Abortion=Murder

>Very few killings are considered murder.

Abortion always is.

> Abortion never has been
>murder, in any legal code or under common law, even when abortion
>itself was illegal.

>Bearing False Witness is a Sin. Calling Abortion Murder is Bearing
>False Witness.

>Abortion is not banned in the bible.

It absolutely is.

> Therefore, you are not only
>bearing false witness, you are presuming to speak for god ... which,
>according to jesus, is a bad thing.

Keep going, jason. Elizabeth the murderer is faltering.

duke

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May 29, 2012, 8:40:13 AM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 21:57:01 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com>
wrote:
You get 1st degree capital punishment from God for abortion.

duke

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May 29, 2012, 8:43:30 AM5/29/12
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>> > any pregnancy will certHave ainly be carried to term. �Mummy-to-be
>> > might fall down the stairs tomorrow. �She might spontaneously
>> > abort. �She might fall sick and curing her might kill the foetus.
>> > In fact, a million things can happen between conception and
>> > birth. �This means that any foetus is only a POTENTIAL human
>> > being. �It isn't here yet. �It does not exist yet.

>> You have your point of view and I have my point of view. If you choose to
>> believe that the aborting of a 8 month old fetus is NOT murder--so be it.

>NOBODY aborts an 8-month fetus, for christ's fucking sake. That's
>just stupid. Any woman who carries for 8 months *wants* the baby.

Are you nuts? You don't know what a partial birth abortion is?

>> As you may know, many pre-mature babies are 8 months old and are able to
>> live outside the womb.

>And none are aborted.

And if a baby at 8 months, why not at 6 months, and if 6 months, why not 3
months?

>> I continue to believe that abortion is equal to murder.

>I continue to believe that religious education kills the human
>spirit. So what?

So satan smiles at fresh meat coming his way.

>> If a Mummy-to-be falls downs the stairs and the fetus is killed--that is
>> NOT first degree murder. It's like an accidental killing.
>>
>> Let's say that a child rode his bicycle in front of your car and you ran
>> over that child. The cops tested your blood and determined that you were
>> not drunk or high on drugs. In most cases, you would never have to serve
>> time in jail or prison for accidentally killing that child.
>>
>> On the other hand, when an abortion doctor aborts an abortion--it is like
>> first degree murder.
>
>Oh, horsepucky. An 8-week embryo is *nothing* like a child that can
>ride a bicycle. See my post upthread.
>>
>> I don't have problems when abortions are done to save the lives of the mothers.
>
>Why? That's very inconsistent of you.

But God says "NO" to murder.

duke

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May 29, 2012, 8:45:32 AM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 23:36:56 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com>
wrote:
By God's law, you are burnt toast ready to arrive.

>> You have your point of view and I have my point of view. If you choose to
>> believe that the aborting of a 8 month old fetus is NOT murder--so be it.
>>
>> As you may know, many pre-mature babies are 8 months old and are able to
>> live outside the womb.

>and many fetuses aren't viable. But since almost all abortions take
>place in the first three months, what of it?

Then mommy is not guilty of murder.

>BTW, viable fetuses are delivered. Because women don't carry an
>unwanted pregnancy that long.

Partial birth abortions says you're wrong.
>
>> I continue to believe that abortion is equal to murder.

>well, that makes you legally insane. You don't get to determine what
>the law is.

But the's not a murderer like you are.

W.T.S.

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May 29, 2012, 9:05:33 AM5/29/12
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In article <img9s7hnb3lc2go3f...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:31:50 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On May 28, 12:20 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
> >>
> >> Duca <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On May 27, 4:08=A0pm, J <Jerk...@Liar.com> wrote:
> >> > > I do admit...obsessing over that question is the ONLY thing I have
> >> > > to occupy myself.
> >>
> >> > > Jerk Young
> >> > > Jerk...@Liar.com
> >>
> >> OK--the person that is obsessing over that question and NOW stop obsessing
> >> since I will provide the answer.
> >>
> >> Abortion Kills Children: Truth or Deception?
> >>
> >> Where do children come from? The answer is that all children were once
> >> fetuses, not "unborn babies". Life only begins at birth.
> >>
> >> When fetus is aborted--no baby is involved, it's just the removal
> >> of unwanted tissue.
> >>
> >> That means that abortion kills no one, no baby is involved in any
> >> abortion.
> >>
> >> That also means that Abortion NEVER Kills Children. It's the truth,
> >> not a deception. So--stop obsessing over that question.
> >
> > Right. Abortion removes an embryo or fetus, never a baby of any
> > sort.
>
> Once fertilized and the cell splits the first time, a fetus exists,
> not a baby! A baby exists only at birth.
>
> >> Abortion has no involvement with any baby.
> >> Abortion=a medical procedure, like removing a tumor.
>
> >Very few killings are considered murder.
>
> Abortion never is.
>
> > Abortion never has been
> > murder, in any legal code or under common law, even when abortion
> > itself was illegal.
>
> > Bearing False Witness is a Sin. Calling Abortion Murder is Bearing
> > False Witness.
>
> > Abortion is not banned in the bible.
>
> It absolutely true abortion is not banned by any bible, only by a
> sick, ignorant Pope.
>
> > Therefore, you are not only
> > bearing false witness, you are presuming to speak for god ... which,
> > according to jesus, is a bad thing, if you are opposted to abortion.
>
> Keep going, jason. Elizabeth is winning.
>
> puke - CatholiKKK Stool.
>
> *****
> 2012 - end of an error
> Vote Democrat in 2012
> Return the House to the Democrats
> *****

W.T.S.

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May 29, 2012, 9:07:54 AM5/29/12
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In article <mrg9s7tm7tma958te...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 21:57:01 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On May 28, 9:56 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >> In article <1dumpn68xl9dr.1t2rkcgeqqbtq$....@40tude.net>,
> >>
> You get 1st degree capital punishment from God for abortion.
"God" is a con game. "God" is the Pope's sock puppet.
>
> puke - CatholiKKK Con Man.
>
> *****
> 2012 - end of an error
> Vote Democrat in 2012
> Return the House to the Democrats.

tirebiter

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May 29, 2012, 8:39:53 AM5/29/12
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On May 29, 8:36 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT), tirebiter <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com>
Nope. He didn't. Odd that you'd stop by just to make this inane and
false comment.

---
a.a. #2273

W.T.S.

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May 29, 2012, 9:11:25 AM5/29/12
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In article <4ug9s71s67dn758ii...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
>
> But God says "NO" to abortion, even to save the life of the Mother.
"God" is a lie. "God" is a con game. "God" is the Pope's sock puppet.
>
> puke - CatholiKKK Con Man.
>
> *****
> 2012 - end of an error
> Vote Democrat in 2012
> Return the House to the Democrats!

elizabeth

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May 29, 2012, 9:19:04 AM5/29/12
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Oh, my, Heishman, you really need to think about why you can't stay
away from the ng. You should have honored your promise to leave and
not return.

> Yet, you choose to violate federal laws

You mean because I'm a medical pot patient? BTW, what federal laws am
I breaking? You might want to read Federal law and review cases.
Since I don't grow or sell, Federal laws don't apply to me. The feds
have never bothered busting anyone for possession of small quantities
or using. So, chapter and verse. What law? BTW, since I've
discussed this matter, and I'm known to the local authorities, and
have, in fact, on several occasions, had discussions with DEA agents
and more than a few federal prosecutors over the years ... seems to me
that the feds don't think I'm much of a desperado ...

. So please, spare us this
> false bullshit about
> laws, and what you "think" you know.  When you in fact are a
> hypocrite, who violates
> federal law and is a druggy.

But at least I'm not fat, bald and ugly! And what federal law am I
breaking? You'd best call the local Federal prosecutor's office.

> And speaking of insane...people who go around telling others to kill
> themselves...that's insane!

Nope, it's just yanking your chain. People like you never kill
themselves. It's never the people who should commit suicide that do
it.

> And since when did you get your Dx to make such a call, calling
> someone else "legally" insane?
> Please, show your credentials.

Nope. You won't even admit your own name, Heishman. You get
nothing. But, coming back to a ng you said you were leaving, ranting
about how everyone is mentally ill, insisting that I have a criminal
record, well, if you're not insane, you should have gotten worse than
just shitcanned from your job. Any LEO knows you don't publicly state
someone has a criminal record without having it on record. So, are
you a criminal or just crazy? or both?

> Isn't that what you ask others?

What about your insistance I have a criminal record? Care to prove
that? Since it would be public record.
>
> Yea, run now coward.

james g. keegan jr.

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May 29, 2012, 10:13:00 AM5/29/12
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In article
<c817d4ca-dac6-4266...@s37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Dino <what...@homemail.com> wrote:

> On May 29, 2:36 am, elizabeth <elizabethfran...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > well, that makes you legally insane.  You don't get to determine what
> > the law is.
>
> Yet, you choose to violate federal laws.


"If you can't prove it on your next post, by default you admit you
lied."
coward bobby heishman posting as"SeahawkFan" <deseah...@hotmail.com>
in news:xb6dnQH276BlFX_a...@comcast.com:



bobby will run away from his claim again. actually, he'll repeat it
frequently, but never, never support it.

Waldo Tunnel

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May 29, 2012, 10:16:50 AM5/29/12
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No child involved. Want me to prove it?

Dino

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May 29, 2012, 11:42:42 AM5/29/12
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Yea right!!!

>BTW, what federal laws am
> I breaking?

Look it up.

> You might want to read Federal law and review cases.
> Since I don't grow or sell, Federal laws don't apply to me.  The feds
> have never bothered busting anyone for possession of small quantities
> or using.  So, chapter and verse.  What law?  BTW, since I've
> discussed this matter, and I'm known to the local authorities, and
> have, in fact, on several occasions, had discussions with DEA agents
> and more than a few federal prosecutors over the years ... seems to me
> that the feds don't think I'm much of a desperado ...
>
> . So please, spare us this
>
> > false bullshit about
> > laws, and what you "think" you know.  When you in fact are a
> > hypocrite, who violates
> > federal law and is a druggy.
>
> But at least I'm not fat, bald and ugly!

Oh, you're ugly...that's for sure. Don't know about the fat part,
other than the picture I've seen.
You look like you have some type of a disease.
Even if you were bald, it wouldn't help your looks.


And what federal law am I
> breaking?  You'd best call the local Federal prosecutor's office.
>
> > And speaking of insane...people who go around telling others to kill
> > themselves...that's insane!
>
> Nope, it's just yanking your chain.

No, it's a mental instability problem.



 People like you never kill
> themselves.  It's never the people who should commit suicide that do
> it.
>
> > And since when did you get your Dx to make such a call, calling
> > someone else "legally" insane?
> > Please, show your credentials.
>
> Nope.

Very well, don't ask anyone else.


>  You won't even admit your own name, Heishman.

Because I'm not who you think I am. And it's driving you crazy.
I am someone though that is passing your libel statements to
few people for safe keeping.


You get
> nothing.  But, coming back to a ng you said you were leaving, ranting
> about how everyone is mentally ill, insisting that I have a criminal
> record, well, if you're not insane, you should have gotten worse than
> just shitcanned from your job.

What job? Who? When? Do you have proof?

I didn't think so.

Smack!

elizabeth

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May 29, 2012, 4:55:38 PM5/29/12
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On May 29, 7:13 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <c817d4ca-dac6-4266-8963-16514ce96...@s37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
> > On May 29, 2:36 am, elizabeth <elizabethfran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > well, that makes you legally insane.  You don't get to determine what
> > > the law is.
>
> > Yet, you choose to violate federal laws.
>
> "If you can't prove it on your next post, by default you admit you
> lied."
> coward bobby heishman posting as"SeahawkFan" <deseahawk...@hotmail.com>
> innews:xb6dnQH276BlFX_a...@comcast.com:
>
> bobby will run away from his claim again. actually, he'll repeat it
> frequently, but never, never support it.

It's so funny . .. when in fact, I am not in violation of Federal law
by using pot. I don't grow over 1,000 plants, I don't sell in the
quantities needed. and it's not like the local prosecutor's office
doesn't know who I am! I've discussed pot laws with DEA officers,
even.

Gee, you'd think that if he felt I was such a danger to the Federal
law, he'd drop a dime on me and call the local office ... it's on the
net if he does.

Free Lunch

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May 29, 2012, 6:38:40 PM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:02:12 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

>In article
><345f0efa-6532-487f...@c19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, "Paul
>Duca (tomser...@comcast.net)" <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 28, 4:08=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jason, can you tell us just HOW your existence has improved in the
>> SLIGHTEST by your being anti-abortion?
>>
>>
>> Paul
>
>Paul,
>Good question. You made me have to take the time to think.

Too bad the results are so poor.

>The only answer that comes to mind is that I respect life. If I was an
>advocate for abortion--it would mean that I did not respect life.

Are you a pacifist? Do you object to the death penalty? Do you support a
strong social safety net? If not, you do not 'respect life', you just
repeat the lying propaganda of the anti-woman right-wingers.

>My existence has improved since I am an advocate for life--not death.
>
Even though you have made it clear that you don't give a damn about the
Republican war on the poor and what happens to unwanted children, you
congratulate yourself on forcing those unwanted children to be born, no
matter how miserable life is for them.
>
>Has your existence improved in the slightest by being pro-abortion?
>
Calling pro-choice "pro-abortion" shows that you are a dishonest man who
wants to interfere in everyone else's business.

Free Lunch

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May 29, 2012, 6:40:13 PM5/29/12
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 07:39:04 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism:
Nope. That is a silly claim.

>>> Abortion stops a beating heart.
>>> Abortion=Murder
>
>>Very few killings are considered murder.
>
>Abortion always is.

Your ignorance of the law is noted. Your ignorant opinion must be
rightly dismissed.

Free Lunch

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May 29, 2012, 6:43:25 PM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 21:56:24 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:
So you prefer to kill both mother and fetus with your self-righteous,
smug and ignorant attitude about who is allowed to get abortions at that
time. You really are an immoral fraud.

>As you may know, many pre-mature babies are 8 months old and are able to
>live outside the womb.

Yes, but that is not why anyone would get an abortion at eight months.

>I continue to believe that abortion is equal to murder.

You continue to believe many things that are false.

>If a Mummy-to-be falls downs the stairs and the fetus is killed--that is
>NOT first degree murder. It's like an accidental killing.

But you won't take any responsibility for a mother and fetus both dying
because you refuse to let an abortion take place.

>Let's say that a child rode his bicycle in front of your car and you ran
>over that child. The cops tested your blood and determined that you were
>not drunk or high on drugs. In most cases, you would never have to serve
>time in jail or prison for accidentally killing that child.

You don't know what the word "murder" means.

>On the other hand, when an abortion doctor aborts an abortion--it is like
>first degree murder.

The law makes it very clear that you are wrong.

>I don't have problems when abortions are done to save the lives of the mothers.

So you claim, but you keep finding excuses to keep women from making the
decision. Why do you want to be the uterus police?

Jason

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May 29, 2012, 6:53:15 PM5/29/12
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In article <4ug9s71s67dn758ii...@4ax.com>, duke
The life of the mother is VERY important to God. Back in the 1700's and
1800's, thousands of women died during the birth of their children. Thank
goodness, that rarely happens any more and I believe that is a good thing.


Mitchell Holman

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May 29, 2012, 6:55:30 PM5/29/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-29051...@66-53-218-107.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
Except for the mothers he killed in Ye Floode.

Millions of them, no? And for what?




Jason

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May 29, 2012, 7:05:32 PM5/29/12
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In article <vpjas7dhsvockj60i...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
Many liberals that have college educations have bumper stickers that
indicate that they care about whales and various wild animals. The "World
Wildlife Fund" and similar organizations have members of those
organizations that care about animals. That's great.

However, many of those same liberals don't seem to care about unborn
babies. They would NEVER protest in front of an abortion clinic.

They care about saving the lives of wild animals but don't seem to care
about saving the lives of unborn babies.

That is sad.


Jason

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May 29, 2012, 7:09:47 PM5/29/12
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In article <n2kas7p1q0gokrhom...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
Good point. I would NEVER try to prevent a woman from getting an abortion.
Instead, I would engage in a peaceful protest outside the abortion clinic.
I have done it in the past and may do it again in the future. We did not
STOP any women from going into that abortion clinic. If we had done
that--it would have been against the law. None of us were arrested.


Jason

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May 29, 2012, 7:15:25 PM5/29/12
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In article <XnsA062B61AE53D5...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
To Cleanse the world of evil people. The next time--God will use FIRE to
cleanse the world of evil people.


Free Lunch

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On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:05:32 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
Many do. They protest against the oppressors who try to keep women from
excercising their rights as Americans. Why do you treat women as
second-class citizens?

>They care about saving the lives of wild animals but don't seem to care
>about saving the lives of unborn babies.

And what do you care about a baby who is unwanted. You have made it
clear that you support the GOP, a party that refuses to help children.

>That is sad.

Free Lunch

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On Tue, 29 May 2012 15:53:15 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:
Yet you keep bringing up abortions in the eighth month which only occur
in such circumstances. You celebrated the murder of a medical doctor who
didn't impose his morality on women. You make excuses for those who
oppress women. You don't care what God wants because God never said
anything about abortions.

Free Lunch

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On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:15:25 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:
You preach an evil god.

Free Lunch

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On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:09:47 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
It is clear that the intent of these protesters is to dissuade the
women, to intimidate them, to make certain that she has that child, even
if it was caused by rape. You know nothing about why that women is going
in, yet you protest. You are a cold, callous individual who cares not at
all about the women you confront.

tirebiter

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On May 29, 7:15 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA062B61AE53D5nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-29051...@66-53-218-107.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article <4ug9s71s67dn758iigss4tlbsd1kj4i...@4ax.com>, duke
> > > <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > >> On Mon, 28 May 2012 23:36:53 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net>
There wasn't a single non-evil person killed in the fictional flood,
liar Jason? What about the unborn?

---
a.a #2273

tirebiter

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On May 29, 7:09 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <n2kas7p1q0gokrhoma6q68simit8ug8...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
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>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 21:56:24 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.atheism:
>
> > >In article <1dumpn68xl9dr.1t2rkcgeqqbtq$....@40tude.net>,
> > >ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > >> On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:20:42 -0700, Jason wrote:
>
> > >> > In article
> > >> > <14e668c0-b708-4c01-9965-fe2455c04...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
This is a 100% provable lie. You've cheered for violent crimes
against women's clinics.

You liar.

---
a.a. #2273

W.T.S.

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In article <Jason-29051...@66-53-218-107.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com says...
What "unborn babies", there's no such thing!
>
> They care about saving the lives of wild animals but don't seem to care
> about saving the lives of unborn babies.
No "baby" is involved in any abortion.
>
> That is sad.
No, it's beautiful!!!

Mitchell Holman

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Have you volunteered to adopt the "unborn child"
of any woman going into an abortion clinic?









Mike Lovell

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On 2012-05-30, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> Have you volunteered to adopt the "unborn child"
> of any woman going into an abortion clinic?

It would be nice if people did, to think of all those people struggling
to conceive, some people spending tens of thousand on segregates, egg
donors and the like.

The protesters need to put their money where their mouth is.

Abortions after the fetus is aware are IMO immoral though, if you are
going to get it done, get it done *quickly* to prevent suffering.


--
Jews, Christians & Muslims
The content of your posts will show how much you
really believe God is looking over your shoulder

james g. keegan jr.

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May 29, 2012, 10:57:09 PM5/29/12
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bobby heishman has never supported any claim he made in newsgroups and
which was challenged. Perhaps the frequency with which he makes so many
false claims is an extension of his pretense to be a law enforcement
officer?


--
"When are you going to just finally come out of the closet, you homo?"
Eagle46 <ospr...@hotmail.com>
<cc6a7e12-0d2f-4e7d...@a11g2000pro.googlegroups.com>

james g. keegan jr.

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May 29, 2012, 11:23:07 PM5/29/12
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In article
<70bddf60-d549-42b2...@n42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
now there is a heishman remark if i ever saw one. i think you are
quoting yourself bobby.

W.T.S.

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May 30, 2012, 2:15:52 AM5/30/12
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> In article <n2kas7p1q0gokrhom...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 28 May 2012 21:56:24 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.atheism:
> >
> > >In article <1dumpn68xl9dr.1t2rkcgeqqbtq$.d...@40tude.net>,
> > >ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:20:42 -0700, Jason wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > In article
> > >> > <14e668c0-b708-4c01...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, Paul
> > >> > Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On May 27, 4:08=A0pm, J <Jerk...@Liar.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> I do admit...obsessing over that question is the ONLY thing I have
> > >> >>> to occupy myself.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Jerk Young
> > >> >>> Jerk...@Liar.com
> > >> >
> > >> > OK--the person that is obsessing over that question and NOW
> > >> > stop obsessing since I will provide the answer.
> > >> >
> > >> > Abortion Kills Children: Deception!
> > >> >
> > >> > The answer is that the fetus is not a baby! It's just tissue.
> > >> >
> > >> > When a fetus is aborted, no baby is involved.
> > >> >
> > >> > That means that abortion never kills babies.
> > >> >
> > >> > That also means that Abortion Never Kills Children!
> > >> > So--stop obsessing over that question.
> > >> >
> > >> > Abortion is decent and wholesome.
> > >> >
> > >> > Abortion is a basic human right!
> > >>
> > >> Under your logic, anyone killing any person of sexual maturity
> > >> would also have to be charged with the murder of any number of
> > >> potential children. After all, babies come from mummy and daddy
> > >> having rumpy-pumpy so killing a mummy or a daddy also kills all
> > >> those babies that could, possibly, in due course and absent any
> > >> protection, conceivably have been conceived.
> > >>
> > >> You cannot predict the future. Therefore, you cannot say whether
> > >> any pregnancy will certainly be carried to term. Mummy-to-be
> > >> might fall down the stairs tomorrow. She might spontaneously
> > >> abort. She might fall sick and curing her might kill the foetus.
> > >> In fact, a million things can happen between conception and
> > >> birth. This means that any foetus is only a POTENTIAL human
> > >> being. It isn't here yet. It does not exist yet.
> > >
> > >You have your point of view and I have my point of view. If you choose to
> > >believe that the aborting of a 8 month old fetus is NOT murder--so be it.
> >
> > So you prefer to kill both mother and fetus with your self-righteous,
> > smug and ignorant attitude about who is allowed to get abortions at that
> > time. You really are an immoral fraud.
> >
> > >As you may know, many pre-mature babies are 8 months old and are able to
> > >live outside the womb.
> >
> > Yes, but that is not why anyone would get an abortion at eight months.
> >
> > > I continue to believe that abortion is equal to murder because I
> > > am stupid and I hate women.
> >
> > You continue to believe many things that are false.
> >
> > >If a Mummy-to-be falls downs the stairs and the fetus is killed--that is
> > >NOT first degree murder. It's like an accidental killing.
> >
> > But you won't take any responsibility for a mother and fetus both dying
> > because you refuse to let an abortion take place.
> >
> > >Let's say that a child rode his bicycle in front of your car and you ran
> > >over that child. The cops tested your blood and determined that you were
> > >not drunk or high on drugs. In most cases, you would never have to serve
> > >time in jail or prison for accidentally killing that child.
> >
> > You don't know what the word "murder" means.
> >
> > >On the other hand, when an abortion doctor aborts an abortion--it is like
> > >trimming a hangnail.
> >
> > The law makes it very clear that you are wrong.
> >
> > >I don't have problems when abortions are done to save the lives of the
> mothers.
> >
> > So you claim, but you keep finding excuses to keep women from making the
> > decision. Why do you want to be the uterus police?
>
> Good point. I would NEVER try to prevent a woman from getting an abortion.
> Instead, I would engage in a peaceful protest outside the abortion clinic.
> I would shout and scream insults and threats at the women and her
> Doctor, I would try to make her feel guilty.
> I have done it in the past and may do it again in the future. We did not
> STOP any women from going into that abortion clinic. If we had done
> that--it would have been against the law. None of us were arrested.
How nice of you to admit the kind of filth you are.

W.T.S.

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> The life of the mother is VERY important to God. Back in the 1700's
and
> 1800's, thousands of women died during the birth of their children. Thank
> goodness, that rarely happens any more and I believe that is a good thing.
Pure, lying bull shit. You want women to be gender slaves and brood
sows. You are a woman hater.

SkyEyes

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May 30, 2012, 3:23:17 AM5/30/12
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On May 29, 3:53 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <4ug9s71s67dn758iigss4tlbsd1kj4i...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Actually, it happens far more often than you think. The U.S. is #37
in maternal mortality.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

duke

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>The life of the mother is VERY important to God. Back in the 1700's and
>1800's, thousands of women died during the birth of their children. Thank
>goodness, that rarely happens any more and I believe that is a good thing.

Yes, thanks to medical advances. Abortion, for sure, is murder.

duke

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Yep, baby killers.

duke

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May 30, 2012, 1:17:46 PM5/30/12
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Ok, Dr. Free, explain it away.

>>>> Abortion stops a beating heart.
>>>> Abortion=Murder
>>
>>>Very few killings are considered murder.
>>
>>Abortion always is.

>Your ignorance of the law is noted. Your ignorant opinion must be
>rightly dismissed.

Oh, bullshit. Nothing as usual from you.

>>> Abortion never has been
>>>murder, in any legal code or under common law, even when abortion
>>>itself was illegal.
>>
>>>Bearing False Witness is a Sin. Calling Abortion Murder is Bearing
>>>False Witness.
>>
>>>Abortion is not banned in the bible.
>>
>>It absolutely is.

About time you understood.

W.T.S.

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In article <jclcs75hggdsd3an4...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
>
No baby is involved in any abortion. Life begins at birth, never at
conception. Abortion is beautiful!
>
> duke
Yes, it is beautiful!

W.T.S.

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In article <selcs7toe2v7tr6il...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
>
No baby is involved in any abortion. Abortion is beautiful!

Alan Ferris

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On Wed, 30 May 2012 12:17:46 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>>Once fertilized and the cell splits the first time, a human life exists from
>>>that moment until human death.,
>>
>>Nope. That is a silly claim.
>
>Ok, Dr. Free, explain it away.

So does the soul split in 2 or do identical twins share the 1 soul?

Why does god intend so many souls to be disposed of in bins?

--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

Alan Ferris

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On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:15:25 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> Except for the mothers he killed in Ye Floode.
>>
>> Millions of them, no? And for what?
>
>To Cleanse the world of evil people. The next time--God will use FIRE to
>cleanse the world of evil people.

So if you want to get rid of weeds you poison your whole garden?

Alan Ferris

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On Wed, 30 May 2012 12:16:27 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>Actually, it happens far more often than you think. The U.S. is #37
>>in maternal mortality.
>
>Yep, baby killers.

FFS! Earl really loves showing his ignorance, somebody lend him a
dictionary so he can look up maternal.

The only reason duke opposes abortion is that it means less kids for
him to molest.

"I was talking about a loving family teasingly pinching
nipples (pre breast type) and comparing how that's quite
alright in a family setting but clearly and quickly labeled
as child molestation outside the family setting."
- duke (Earl J Weber)

"As I've stated before, the comment is from a ng discussion
addressing a double standard - what is considered "ok" in
the family setting quickly becomes molestation by an outsider.
You can see that in the comment itself." - duke (Earl J Weber)

elizabeth

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On Jun 1, 9:50 am, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2012 12:17:46 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>Once fertilized and the cell splits the first time, a human life exists from
> >>>that moment until human death.,
>
> >>Nope. That is a silly claim.
>
> >Ok, Dr. Free, explain it away.
>
> So does the soul split in 2 or do identical twins share the 1 soul?
>
> Why does god intend so many souls to be disposed of in bins?
>
> --
> Ferrit
>
>  ()'.'.'()
>  ( (T) )
>  ( ) . ( )
>  (")_(")

Well, that's because those prophets were a little too buzzed and got
some of it wrong. You do know the original Hebrew prophets were
ravers? They would climb to the top of a mountain, which makes you
hypoxic, would ingest sacred herbs, 'shrooms, etc, and dance and sing
and play music until they had visions.

Why do you think they call it word from on high?

Cannabis Indica was sacred to Shiva, opium to Hecate, etc. All were
gifts from the gods.

And there aren't individual souls for every meat puppet, there are
oversouls, and each earthly incarnation is just another facet. Some
are cubic zirconia, some are flawless diamonds. And my story is just
as valid as theirs!

SkyEyes

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I like your story better. Yours has *diamonds*! :)

Alan Ferris

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Actually, yours makes more sense :)

Justice Antonin Scalia

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“Abortion foes never want

To admit the fact they won’t confront:

Those unviable tissues that they treasure

Are not babies by any measure.”


-- Ken S. Spalding

pnyikos

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On Jun 15, 5:07 pm, Justice Antonin Scalia <slipuva...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Whoever you are, you are dishonestly defaming the real Justice
Scalia. Keegan might even accuse you of plagiarism, were he not so
fond of dishonest people in solidarity with him.

I don't know who this craven miscreant "Spalding" is, but he is dead
wrong, and he even is guilty of a many-layered lie up there.

We never tire of giving evidence that fetuses ARE babies, and even the
NIH agrees:

The end of the 10th week of pregnancy marks the end of the "embryonic
period" and the beginning of the "fetal period."

•Weeks 11 to 14 of pregnancy (gestational age)
◦Eyelids close and will not reopen until about the 28th week.
◦The face is well formed.
◦Limbs are long and thin.
◦Genitals appear well differentiated.
◦Red blood cells are produced in the liver.
◦The head makes up nearly half of the baby's size.
◦The baby can make a fist with its fingers.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
A service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health

And, for good measure, here is another reference:

http://www.drugs.com/ella.html
"ella can harm an unborn baby"

Now go crawl back under the rock from which you emerged, you anonymous
coward and lover of falsehoods.

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://www.math.sc.edu/~nyikos/
nyikos @ math.sc.edu

pnyikos

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On May 29, 10:57 pm, james g. keegan jr. <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
You are lying. Your ally and "client" Fischer challenged him to
support the claim that Fischer didn't give a shit about women, and he
proved it by re-posting the following post:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/318c4191f3850693

Fischer was a man after your own heart, deleting the above url when I
posted it and then lying that I had not shown that he had said,

"I don't give a shit about women"

And he continued to emulate you by deleting the whole post when I
reposted it, and pretending that I was fantasizing about the existence
of such a post. Documentation provided here:

Subject: Pathological Liar of the Month (May 2010) First Runner-up:
Fischer
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.women/msg/ab3d1553c75daead

You sure miss him, don't you? Hardly anyone is willing to lie like
that in solidarity to you.

Peter Nyikos

W.T.S.

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Jun 19, 2012, 2:32:10 AM6/19/12
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In article <88384cc3-026e-471b-b807-
13f207...@j9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>, nyi...@bellsouth.net says...
> On Jun 15, 5:07 pm, Justice Antonin Scalia <slipuva...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > “Abortion foes never want
> >
> > To admit the fact they won’t confront:
> >
> > Those unviable tissues that they treasure
> >
> > Are not babies by any measure.”
> >
> >                              --  Ken  S.  Spalding
>
> Now go crawl back under the rock from which you emerged, you anonymous
> coward and lover of falsehoods.
No, I prefer to keep on helping fetuses to obtain the decency of
abortion. Will that be a problem for you?
>
> Peter Nyikos

james g. keegan jr.

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Jun 19, 2012, 3:29:23 AM6/19/12
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In article
<54db5b20-500c-42ca...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
on the contrary plagiarist, the alleged proof you tried to fool peole
with below demonstrated your lie.


> Your ally and "client" Fischer challenged him to
> support the claim that Fischer didn't give a shit about women, and he
> proved it by re-posting the following post:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/318c4191f3850693


ha ha ha.

james g. keegan jr.

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Jun 19, 2012, 3:30:15 AM6/19/12
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In article
<88384cc3-026e-471b...@j9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Jun 15, 5:07�m, Justice Antonin Scalia <slipuva...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > �bortion foes never want
> >
> > To admit the fact they won� confront:
> >
> > Those unviable tissues that they treasure
> >
> > Are not babies by any measure.�
>
> > � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-- �en �. �palding
>
> Whoever you are, you are dishonestly defaming the real Justice
> Scalia.


yet another blatant lie from plagiarist claiming to be a professor.

MarkA

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:14:55 -0700, pnyikos wrote:

>
> We never tire of giving evidence that fetuses ARE babies, and even the NIH
> agrees:
>
> The end of the 10th week of pregnancy marks the end of the "embryonic
> period" and the beginning of the "fetal period."
>
> •Weeks 11 to 14 of pregnancy (gestational age) -Eyelids close and will
> not reopen until about the 28th week. -The face is well formed.
> -Limbs are long and thin.
> -Genitals appear well differentiated. -Red blood cells are produced in
> the liver. -The head makes up nearly half of the baby's size. -The
> baby can make a fist with its fingers.
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
> A service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine
> National Institutes of Health
>
> And, for good measure, here is another reference:
>
> http://www.drugs.com/ella.html
> "ella can harm an unborn baby"
>
> Now go crawl back under the rock from which you emerged, you anonymous
> coward and lover of falsehoods.
>

Well, how about that! People using words imprecisely. THAT's never
happened before!

I suppose you could call the fetus a "baby" if you plan to carry it to
term. However, if you are planning to terminate the pregnancy, "parasitic
invader attacking and infesting my uterus" is equally correct.

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

elizabeth

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On Jun 19, 6:29 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:14:55 -0700, pnyikos wrote:
>
> > We never tire of giving evidence that fetuses ARE babies, and even the NIH
> > agrees:
>
> > The end of the 10th week of pregnancy marks the end of the "embryonic
> > period" and the beginning of the "fetal period."
>
> > Weeks 11 to 14 of pregnancy (gestational age) -Eyelids close and will
> > not reopen until about the 28th week. -The face is well formed.
> > -Limbs are long and thin.
> > -Genitals appear well differentiated. -Red blood cells are produced in
> > the liver. -The head makes up nearly half of the baby's size. -The
> > baby can make a fist with its fingers.
>
> >http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
> >  A service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine
> > National Institutes of Health
>
> > And, for good measure, here is another reference:
>
> >http://www.drugs.com/ella.html
> >    "ella can harm an unborn baby"
>
> > Now go crawl back under the rock from which you emerged, you anonymous
> > coward and lover of falsehoods.


This is one of the oldest propaganda methods around.
> Well, how about that!  People using words imprecisely.  THAT's never
> happened before!
>
> I suppose you could call the fetus a "baby" if you plan to carry it to
> term.  However, if you are planning to terminate the pregnancy, "parasitic
> invader attacking and infesting my uterus" is equally correct.

Antiabortniks love to use inflammatory rhetoric instead of precise
terms. Fact is, many species are parasitic in at least part of their
life cycle, and it just so happens that mammalian reproduction is
parasitism. Human females have the added burden of prolonged labor
due to large heads and the need for a narrow pelvis to allow bipedal
locomotion, and thus, human females have the highest morbidity/
mortality of any of the mammals.

One of the biggest problems the humanizing of the fetus and
dehumanizing of the woman is when a wanted pregnancy fails, women tend
to blame themselves for the failed pregnancy. Fact is, all
reproduction is incredibly wasteful, and most fertilized ova of any
species doesn't survive.

perry neheum

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We believe we've ferreted out this Spalding thing and are initiating
measures to see it receives condign punishment.

pnyikos

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On Jun 20, 11:29 am, perry neheum <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> We believe we've ferreted out this Spalding thing

You mean you know who Kenneth S. Spalding is?

I don't suppose he is the Kenneth Spaulding about whom the following
was written:

Jan 25 - The Rev. Kenneth Spaulding, who held worship services for
children in his Milwaukee home, was sentenced to 80 years in prison
for
child-molesting.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.apologetics/msg/bf333c7bbd13fc8c

> and are initiating
> measures to see it receives condign punishment.

This "punishment" is to keep spreading his lies, eh? I just now got
done replying to you on another thread, where you posted three minutes
earlier. The words I wrote there are just as applicable here, except
for the name of another foolish person who started that thread:

On Jun 20, 11:26 am, perry neheum <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:


> “Abortion foes never want

> To admit the fact they won’t confront:


> Those unviable tissues that they treasure


> Are not babies by any measure.”


> -- Ken S. Spalding



Is Perry Neheum your real name?

Are you the same person who spreads Spalding's pack of lies under
various pseudonyms? Look at this bit from the NIH website which I
quoted to Andrew W:


•Weeks 19 to 21 of pregnancy (gestational age)
◦The baby can hear.
◦The baby makes more movements.
◦The mother may feel a fluttering in the lower abdomen.


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
A service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health


Note: 21 weeks "gestational age" means really age since the LMP, and
no baby is viable at that stage of development by current technology.

I wonder whether Spalding ever confronted the fact that he is a lying
tissue mass.

Will you ever confront that fact?

Peter Nyikos



pnyikos

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On Jun 19, 9:29 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:14:55 -0700, pnyikos wrote:
>
> > We never tire of giving evidence that fetuses ARE babies, and even the NIH
> > agrees:
>
> > The end of the 10th week of pregnancy marks the end of the "embryonic
> > period" and the beginning of the "fetal period."
>
> > •Weeks 11 to 14 of pregnancy (gestational age) -Eyelids close and will
> > not reopen until about the 28th week. -The face is well formed.
> > -Limbs are long and thin.
> > -Genitals appear well differentiated. -Red blood cells are produced in
> > the liver. -The head makes up nearly half of the baby's size. -The
> > baby can make a fist with its fingers.
>
> >http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
> >  A service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine
> > National Institutes of Health
>
> > And, for good measure, here is another reference:
>
> >http://www.drugs.com/ella.html
> >    "ella can harm an unborn baby"
>
> > Now go crawl back under the rock from which you emerged, you anonymous
> > coward and lover of falsehoods.
>
> Well, how about that!  People using words imprecisely.  THAT's never
> happened before!

Both the Oxford English Dictionary and the Merriam-Webster
dictionaries put "born or unborn" in the first entry for "child" and
use "foetus" and "fetus" as a synonym.

Precise usage. Get used to it.

> I suppose you could call the fetus a "baby" if you plan to carry it to
> term.

I suppose that, like Humpty Dumpty, you think the meaning of words
makes a difference.

>  However, if you are planning to terminate the pregnancy, "parasitic
> invader attacking and infesting my uterus" is equally correct.

Not to the overwhelming majority of women who abort, who have OTHER
reasons for going through with the abortion. Read the book _Real
Choices_ and stop living in your fantasy world.


> --
> MarkA
> Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
> About eight o'clock-

Let me guess: like Alan Ferris, you think Usenet is just a big game
where people can post whatever they want, facts be damned.

Peter Nyikos

W.T.S.

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In article <f4d9e29c-9687-458a-a900-
42e97e...@l5g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>, nyi...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > “Abortion foes never want
>
> > To admit the fact they won’t confront:
>
>
> > Those unviable tissues that they treasure
>
>
> > Are not babies by any measure.”
>
>
> > -- Ken S. Spalding
>
No baby or child has ever been involved in any abortion. That is a
scientific, proven fact. Pro-liars can dream up all the disinformation
they want. The fact that life begins at birth only will never change.
>
> Peter Nyikos, Pro-Liar, Pro-Forced Birth, Anti-Choice Bigot, Woman
> Hater.

Alan Ferris

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:55:50 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos
<nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> Well, how about that!  People using words imprecisely.  THAT's never
>> happened before!
>
>Both the Oxford English Dictionary and the Merriam-Webster
>dictionaries put "born or unborn" in the first entry for "child" and
>use "foetus" and "fetus" as a synonym.


I just checked my copy of the OED and it does not say what you claim:

child

noun (plural children)
a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of
majority:
she’d been playing tennis since she was a child
the film is not suitable for children
a son or daughter of any age:
when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant
an immature or irresponsible person:
she’s such a child!
a person who has little or no experience in a particular area:
he’s a child in financial matters
(children) archaic the descendants of a family or people:
the children of Abraham
(child of) a person regarded as the product of (a specified influence
or environment):
a child of the Sixties

>
>Precise usage. Get used to it.

Do what you preach then and stop lying to people about what the OED
says.

pnyikos

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On Jun 19, 2:36 pm, elizabeth <elizabethfran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 6:29 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:14:55 -0700, pnyikos wrote:
>
> > > We never tire of giving evidence that fetuses ARE babies, and even the NIH
> > > agrees:
>
> > > The end of the 10th week of pregnancy marks the end of the "embryonic
> > > period" and the beginning of the "fetal period."
>
> > > Weeks 11 to 14 of pregnancy (gestational age) -Eyelids close and will
> > > not reopen until about the 28th week. -The face is well formed.
> > > -Limbs are long and thin.
> > > -Genitals appear well differentiated. -Red blood cells are produced in
> > > the liver. -The head makes up nearly half of the baby's size. -The
> > > baby can make a fist with its fingers.
>
> > >http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
> > >  A service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine
> > > National Institutes of Health
>
> > > And, for good measure, here is another reference:
>
> > >http://www.drugs.com/ella.html
> > >    "ella can harm an unborn baby"
>
> > > Now go crawl back under the rock from which you emerged, you anonymous
> > > coward and lover of falsehoods.
>
> This is one of the oldest propaganda methods around.

I don't think calling people cowards because they repeat shamelessly
dishonest, defamatory propaganda, and will not let people know who
they are, can be classified as a propaganda method.

Besides, your buddy Keegan will attack anonymous posters, calling them
cowards just for being anonymous and not being on his side, and you
have no trouble with it at all.

> > Well, how about that!  People using words imprecisely.  THAT's never
> > happened before!
>
> > I suppose you could call the fetus a "baby" if you plan to carry it to
> > term.  However, if you are planning to terminate the pregnancy, "parasitic
> > invader attacking and infesting my uterus" is equally correct.
>
> Antiabortnikslove to use inflammatory rhetoric instead of precise
> terms.


Stop pretending proabortnik Mark isn't using inflammatory rhetoric.

And stop pretending "baby" for "fetus" is inflammatory rhetoric.

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil,
Who change darkness into light, and light into
darkness..."
--Isaiah 5:20

> Fact is, many species are parasitic in at least part of their
> life cycle, and it just so happens that mammalian reproduction is
> parasitism.

And breastfeeding is external parasitism, but it is also far healthier
for the baby than commercially available formulas. I was discussing
this on sci.bio.evolution earlier this month:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.bio.evolution/msg/434de669abfa2b54


> Human females have the added burden of prolonged labor
> due to large heads and the need for a narrow pelvis to allow bipedal
> locomotion, and thus, human females have the highest morbidity/
> mortality of any of the mammals.

Morbidity? With modern medical facilities? Don't make me laugh.

As for mortality, a recent Chilean study showed no difference between
maternal mortality before or after abortion became largely illegal.
The real key is good medical treatment.

> One of the biggest problems the humanizing of the fetus and
> dehumanizing of the woman

What "the woman" are you talking about? The ones you call "human
females"? You called them "breeders" many times in the past.

How can any dehumanization compare with the monstrously hateful way
you dehumanize pro-life women, and even moderately pro-choice women
like Denise Noe, who has no problem with elective abortion remaining
legal all through the first trimester?

Just look at this sample of your handiwork, hypocrite:

I feel that antiabort males should have their genitals ripped off
and forced down their throats, and antiabort females gangraped
until death.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/4881aa97c3a63918

Any antiabort male should have his balls ripped off
with pliers. And "denise" needs to get gangraped
to death.
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/7c4b3fb1356665b1
Message-ID: <528befe4-c690-4e99-a24e-
e518187d3...@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
the last three symbols before the @ are c7a

One time I reposted this, I explained who "denise" is:

That was "elizabeth" demonstrating that turning the other cheek, the
way Denise Noe consistently did in reaction to the abuse showered
on her, onlyworks when the opponent has a conscience.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.agnosticism/msg/c7485fb2c3186e90

In reply to the above, you posted the following:

Go kill yourself, OopsNy.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.agnosticism/msg/dcefb7c1e350f5f8

Peter Nyikos

pnyikos

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On Jun 22, 1:10 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <f4d9e29c-9687-458a-a900-
> 42e97e47b...@l5g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>, nyik...@bellsouth.net says...
>
> > > “Abortion foes never want
>
> > > To admit the fact they won’t confront:
>
> > > Those unviable tissues that they treasure
>
> > > Are not babies by any measure.”
>
> > >                              --  Ken  S.  Spalding




> No baby or child has ever been involved in any abortion.  That is a
> scientific, proven fact.

Keep repeating this lie, you anonymous coward, and see where it gets
you.

One hundred repetitions three nights a week
for four years, thought Bernard Marx, who was
an expert on hypnopaedia. Sixty-two thousand
repetitions make one truth. Idiots!
--Aldous Huxley, in _Brave New World_

> Pro-liars can dream up all the disinformation
> they want.

And you are the biggest pro-liar still posting to the abortion
newsgroups except Keegan.

Pro-liar:
1. One who aids a liar by deflecting criticism of the liar's lies or
actively promoting the lies as though they were true.
2. Pro-lifer [term dishonestly used by abortion rights fanatics to
suggest Definition 1.]

Fischer and Chris "Spartakus" Lyman also had you beat, but they
disappeared at almost the same time three months ago, and...

Say!! might you be a sock puppet for one of them?

Peter Nyikos

pnyikos

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On Jun 22, 4:52 am, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:55:50 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos
>
> <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> Well, how about that!  People using words imprecisely.  THAT's never
> >> happened before!
>
> >Both the Oxford English Dictionary and the Merriam-Webster
> >dictionaries put "born or unborn" in the first entry for "child" and
> >use "foetus" and "fetus" as a synonym.
>
> I just checked my copy of the OED and it does not say what you claim:
>
> child
>
> noun (plural children)
> a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of
> majority:

That's not the FIRST definition it gives, you shameless prevaricator.

In addition, my copy of _The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary_ gives
this succinct first definition:

I. 1. Foetus, infant. *spec* A female infant (*dial.*).

And thanks for illustrating again what I wrote about you and you
deleted:

MarkA

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I don't have a copy of the OED. Thanks for the clarification.

MarkA

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Jun 22, 2012, 10:51:05 AM6/22/12
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In medical terminology, a fetus is not a child. I can't help it if
common usage is less precise.

>
>> I suppose you could call the fetus a "baby" if you plan to carry it to
>> term.
>
> I suppose that, like Humpty Dumpty, you think the meaning of words makes
> a difference.
>
>>  However, if you are planning to terminate the pregnancy, "parasitic
>> invader attacking and infesting my uterus" is equally correct.
>
> Not to the overwhelming majority of women who abort, who have OTHER
> reasons for going through with the abortion. Read the book _Real
> Choices_ and stop living in your fantasy world.

The point is that if a woman wants to be pregnant, and have a child, her
attitude toward the fetus is different from a woman who is planning to
have an abortion. That should be pretty obvious.

>
>
>> --
>> MarkA
>> Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before About eight
>> o'clock-
>
> Let me guess: like Alan Ferris, you think Usenet is just a big game
> where people can post whatever they want, facts be damned.
>
> Peter Nyikos

I think that women get the first, last, and ONLY vote on whether or
not they loan their body out to strangers.

W.T.S.

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Jun 22, 2012, 11:21:33 AM6/22/12
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In article <f0db171c-0ce3-4571-89a7-464498ac0959
@t20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, nyi...@bellsouth.net says...
> On Jun 19, 2:36 pm, elizabeth <elizabethfran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 6:29 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:14:55 -0700, pnyikos wrote:
> >
No baby is involved in any abortion. This is a scientific fact. Nothing
will ever change that.
>
> Peter Nyikos, human shit filth.

W.T.S.

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In article <71a75915-8632-4d62-bb89-8b67dca90340
@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, nyi...@bellsouth.net says...
> On Jun 22, 4:52 am, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:55:50 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos
> >
Life only begins at birth. That is a proven scientific fact. No lie an
anti-choicer can dream up will change that.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to buy some ice cream for a young lady
who did the right thing and had an abortion. I hope you have no problem
with that. And you don't, do you?
>
> Peter Nyikos, human shit filth, anti-choicer, pro-liar, forced-
> birther, woman hater.

james g. keegan jr.

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In article <94c8u71oseeoulcj7...@4ax.com>,
would you mind if the plagiarist posting as peter nyikos continued to
lie about other things?

elizabeth

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On Jun 22, 1:52 am, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:55:50 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos
>
It should be noted that the OED defines the fe- from fetus etc as
referring to the act of childbirth, not a child. As in "effete"
which means "worn out from childbearing" Child is more closely
associated with prole as in proletarian . ..

John Pooplington Fartnagel

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“Abortion foes never want

To admit the fact they won’t confront:

Those unviable tissues that they treasure

Are not babies by any measure.”


-- Lucy Stone

james g. keegan jr.

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On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:07:36 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos
<nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 1:10 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > In article <f4d9e29c-9687-458a-a900-
> > 42e97e47b...@l5g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>, nyik...@bellsouth.net
says...
> >
> > > > Abortion foes never want
> >
> > > > To admit the fact they won t confront:
> >
> > > > Those unviable tissues that they treasure
> >
> > > > Are not babies by any measure.
> >
> > > >                              --  Ken =
>  S.  Spalding



> > No baby or child has ever been involved in any abortion.  That is
a
> > scientific, proven fact.


> Keep repeating this lie, you anonymous coward, and see where it gets
> you.



your post was cut after your first new lie, I plagiarist

--
jgke...@gmail.com
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