Why are Atheists So Miserable?
LoveOneAnother
(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
so happy?
John Hattan
Ugh, you're really reaching if this is what you consider proof of a god.
Well, just off the top of my head. . .
- Do you have anything to lend support to your claim that atheists are
less happy than Christians other than your assertion? Recent divorce
statistics shows that most Christian sects have less happy marriages
than atheists.
- How can you consider happiness to be evidence for your god when people
who worship other gods can also be quite happy?
- People who have addictions (smoking, alcohol) feel better when they
are feeding their addiction. Is this happiness a testimony to the worth
of addiction?
- Where exactly did your god say that your personal happiness is a
measure of his worth? Looking at the lives of Jesus, the disciples, and
other first-century Christians, I'd say that having "deep faith in God"
was a one-way ticket to misery.
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Maryph777
something. If I didn't believe in God, I certainly wouldn't be looking at a
religious newsgroup.
LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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mtcolby
LoveOneAnother wrote:
>
> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
> so happy?
You're an idiot, thats why.
People that I know whom are atheists are happy, whilst poeple such as
yourself show huge quantities of self-doubt and depression 'round every
corner. But I'm less apt to make such a hasty conclusion. Or am I???
>:-)
Simplifier
do is call them names?
Landis D. Ragon
>Why are so many atheists reading this newsgroup, they must be looking for
>something. If I didn't believe in God, I certainly wouldn't be looking at a
>religious newsgroup.
<*sigh*> ...And another XPN who apparently has no clue how USENET
works.
>
>LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:38729...@nebula.superior.net...
>> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
>atheists
>> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in
>God
>> so happy?
>>
>>
>
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Mark K. Bilbo
>
> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
> so happy?
First of all, I suspect your "experience" is primarily a matter of
seeing what you want to see.
But the main point is, so what? Being "happy" will not make gods exist.
Children are quite happy believing in Santa Claus. This does not have
anything to do with Santa Claus existing. What does being "happy" or
"unhappy" have to do with the existence of deities?
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Simplifier
George Washington was the first president? No. You have faith in the
documentation of historians.
Uncle Rocco
atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in
God
> so happy?
>
I, for one am very happy, and I am an Atheist.
Let's look at you and your religion there "Love." The Bible tells you many
ways in which you are to worship the Lord. One of those ways is to avoid
temptation and recognize evil when it is present. This means that to follow
your religion, you must look for evil to avoid it. Stop me if I'm wrong.
The way I live my life is to look for beauty in everything I see. When I
meet people I look for the things about them that I find most beautiful, not
the ugly or evil in them. I believe that we are the product of our
environment and we absorb what we see. By looking for and finding the
beautiful in others, those are the traits that you will find and make your
own.
How many people do you know that pass their hours sniping at anyone and
everyone? "She is such a bitch." "If my kid was that stupid..." "Those
people have no class at all." You probably know a lot of people like that,
right? The one thing that I hope will be said about me when I'm gone is
that I never had a bad thing to say about anyone. As I said, if you look
you will find the beautiful in everyone.
If this all sounds hippy-dippy "peace, love, dope," well, maybe it is. The
biggest difference with me, though, is that there are no mystical forces or
supernatural powers driving my world. Between the sunrise walks on the
beach, evenings filled with laughter and friendship, travels around the
world or just a quiet moment to myself, why would I need a bug-a-boo, ghost
or supreme being to show me happiness?
Sorry, but you were way off the mark this time.
Uncle R.
Simplifier
Simplifier
Simplifier
Mark K. Bilbo
>
> Why are so many atheists reading this newsgroup, they must be looking for
> something. If I didn't believe in God, I certainly wouldn't be looking at a
> religious newsgroup.
We're not reading your newsgroup. We're reading alt.atheism. Typically,
a christian has spammed us and cross posted to christian news groups.
Apparently grandstanding for god.
I'm reading your post in alt.atheism so *you must be "looking for
something" in atheism!
Jim Cowling
>If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
>(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
>so happy?
Why are most atheists I know so content with life, and most Christians I know
so miserable?
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Don Kresch
that
>If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
>(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
>so happy?
I'm quite happy. I love living--I love not having to grovel at the feet of
some imaginary pixie and debase myself to it. I love not having to think of
myself as a miserable piece of shit.
You xers are the miserable ones.
Don
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Fenris
>(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
>so happy?
The phrase 'ignorance is bliss' comes to mind...
Fenris
Chris Nelson
are most atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a
deep faith in God
> so happy?
Why do you assume so much?
I'm not the least bit miserable.
Chris Nelson
Kurt
LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in
God
> so happy?
>
>
Your statement points logically to the fact that you have very little
experience.
--
Kurt, a.a. #1707
Abner Mintz
> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in
God
> so happy?
"My experience differs from yours. I'm a fairly happy
atheist, and most atheists I know well enough to guess
if they are happy or not seem to be fairly happy,
well-adjusted people."
"IME the only thing that tends to make atheists unhappy is
being preached at. Perhaps the atheists you know just
seem miserable to you because your preaching is making
them so. The observor does affect the observed, you know."
Michelle Malkin
<kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
>(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
>so happy?
>
Troll. <PLONK!>
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Therion Ware
>If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
>(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
>so happy?
Because your experience, like yourself, is deeply, deeply, limited,
one imagines.
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Mike
Simplifier <joel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That was compelling...I think I will give up my beliefs now.
>
>
I would recommend that you don't do that. They're obviously the only things
keeping your head from imploding.
Mike
Jim Cowling
>You know Christians? How do you keep a conversation with them when all you
>do is call them names?
Please show where I've ever called Christians, as a group, names.
Jim Cowling
>That was compelling...I think I will give up my beliefs now.
It'd help if you quoted the material you're replying to.
yang hu
<kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
>(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
>so happy?
Do you have any other loaded questions you like to throw out?
Yang
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yang hu
<Landis...@ibm.net> wrote:
>"Maryph777" <Mary...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Why are so many atheists reading this newsgroup, they must be looking for
>>something. If I didn't believe in God, I certainly wouldn't be looking at a
>>religious newsgroup.
>
><*sigh*> ...And another XPN who apparently has no clue how USENET
>works.
But they have *faith* that they know how it works, and that's all that
matters.
yang hu
wrote:
>That was compelling...I think I will give up my beliefs now.
Funny how fundy logic works. Somehow they know more about your private
life than you, but they can't even produce a first-hand account of
their supposed savior.
yang hu
wrote:
>Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
You mean like when the Bible goes on its name-calling rant againt
other deities? A small book for a small mind, as it were.
LoveOneAnother
Mike wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>
>keeping your head from imploding.
Nasty, nasty. Somebody give this guy a hug! Maybe it will squeeze some of
the hate out of him.
Are personal insults really necessary?
>
>Mike
>
>
LoveOneAnother
>LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:38729...@nebula.superior.net...
>> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
>atheists
>> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in
>God
>> so happy?
>>
>
>I, for one am very happy, and I am an Atheist.
>
>Let's look at you and your religion there "Love." The Bible tells you many
>ways in which you are to worship the Lord. One of those ways is to avoid
>temptation and recognize evil when it is present. This means that to follow
>your religion, you must look for evil to avoid it. Stop me if I'm wrong.
>
>The way I live my life is to look for beauty in everything I see. When I
>meet people I look for the things about them that I find most beautiful, not
>the ugly or evil in them. I believe that we are the product of our
>environment and we absorb what we see. By looking for and finding the
>beautiful in others, those are the traits that you will find and make your
>own.
>
>How many people do you know that pass their hours sniping at anyone and
>everyone? "She is such a bitch." "If my kid was that stupid..." "Those
>people have no class at all." You probably know a lot of people like that,
>right? The one thing that I hope will be said about me when I'm gone is
>that I never had a bad thing to say about anyone. As I said, if you look
>you will find the beautiful in everyone.
>
>If this all sounds hippy-dippy "peace, love, dope," well, maybe it is. The
>biggest difference with me, though, is that there are no mystical forces or
>supernatural powers driving my world. Between the sunrise walks on the
>beach, evenings filled with laughter and friendship, travels around the
>world or just a quiet moment to myself, why would I need a bug-a-boo, ghost
>or supreme being to show me happiness?
I agree with most, but not all of what you said, Uncle Rocco. And I think
that you're much closer to the message of Christ than you know. I don't
think you necessarily need a belief in God to get to heaven. I think we'll be
judged on how we treat our fellow human beings, not what we believed or
disbelieved in this life. It sounds to me that you're far along that path in
that department, and that I could certianly learn from you.
You are obviously a person who wants to make the world a better place. And
while we disagree over the existence of God, our goals are the same.
That being said, I hope God gives you a big "surprise" party when you meet
Him in the next life. Maybe you and I will meet there as well. You seem like
the kind of person I'd want to hang around with.
Peace to you,
Brian
PS. There's something to be said for "hippy dippy peace love." I quit the
dope about 13 years ago, but I'm still a hippy at heart. :-))
LoveOneAnother
yang hu wrote in message <3872e367...@news.service.uci.edu>...
>
>
>life than you, but they can't even produce a first-hand account of
>their supposed savior.
What leads you to the assumption that "simplifier" is a fundamentalist?
Decimal
>
> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are
> most atheists (from my experience) so miserable, and those people
> with a deep faith in God so happy?
If you're brainwashed, you have no choice but to be happy.
Atheists, on the other hand, happen to feel miserable due to
the enormous flood of dogmatic trolls that run naked and pissing
through our newsgroup.
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LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in
God
> so happy?
The atheists are correct, there is no god, and athiests are by and large
just as happy and well adjusted, if not moreso, than Christians who live
with their heads in the sand. Why? Perhaps because we don't live our
entire lives in anticipation of some wonderful afterlife that will never
come to pass. We live our lives with the knowledge that when it's over,
it's OVER. That;s why we try to take as much happiness as we can in the
here and now, instead of depriving ourselves and making ourselves miserable.
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scow...@home.com (Jim Cowling) wrote:
> In article <84ufhd$j8b$1...@nw001t.infi.net>, "Simplifier"
<joel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >You know Christians? How do you keep a conversation with them when
all you
> >do is call them names?
>
> Please show where I've ever called Christians, as a group, names.
Seems like Scow...@home.com (Jim Cowling) has got his wires crossed.
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"Simplifier" <joel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> faith...look it up...it doesn't require proof. Do you irrefutable
proof that
> George Washington was the first president? No. You have faith in the
> documentation of historians.
Yes, and those very historians prevent me from having faith in your
fanciful good book.
Michael J Nash
Simplifier <joel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:84ufmc$c2$1...@nw001t.infi.net...
> We believe you...really we do.
You assholes will believe anything, won't you? Oh, look out for that
two-headed dragon behind you...made ya look!
Michael J Nash
Simplifier <joel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:84ufnv$24i$1...@nw001t.infi.net...
> That was compelling...I think I will give up my beliefs now.
Whatever...you assholes wouldn't give up believing in your imaginary
sky-pixie if we showed you photos taken on the day of the big bang! You
people are nothing more than potted plants with mouths and sphincters. When
will you learn?
Therion Ware
>If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
>(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
>so happy?
... actually, come to think of it, the fact that atheists don't suffer
more than Christians, and in many instances suffer much less, is a
good proof that Christians are morally equivalent to death camp
guards.
Thanks for pointing it out. Nice one.
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Maryph777 <Mary...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Why are so many atheists reading this newsgroup, they must be looking for
> something. If I didn't believe in God, I certainly wouldn't be looking at
a
> religious newsgroup.
So since you do believe in the imaginary sky-pixie, why are you here in a.a?
Michael J Nash
LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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(snip)
> Nasty, nasty. Somebody give this guy a hug! Maybe it will squeeze some of
> the hate out of him.
>
> Are personal insults really necessary?
No, cockwipe, but they're loads of fun! BTW, who the fuck are you to talk
about hate, barging into this NG to make rash generalizations and piss
people off? Is this what you have to do to get your twat wet?
Michael J Nash
Simplifier <joel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:84ufpl$817$1...@nw001t.infi.net...
> Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
....as opposed to generalizing about an entire group of people? At least
name-calling requires a minimum level of creativity. Now get off of your
mother and go clean the smegma out of your teeth...
Michael J Nash
LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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(snip)
> I agree with most, but not all of what you said, Uncle Rocco. And I think
> that you're much closer to the message of Christ than you know. I don't
> think you necessarily need a belief in God to get to heaven. I think we'll
be
> judged on how we treat our fellow human beings, not what we believed or
> disbelieved in this life.
Then why waste your time believing in the first place, especially when
there's no rational reason to?
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yang hu
<kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>yang hu wrote in message <3872e367...@news.service.uci.edu>...
>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:01:28 -0500, "Simplifier" <joel...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>That was compelling...I think I will give up my beliefs now.
>>
>>
>>Funny how fundy logic works. Somehow they know more about your private
>>life than you, but they can't even produce a first-hand account of
>>their supposed savior.
>
>
>What leads you to the assumption that "simplifier" is a fundamentalist?
The same assumption that lead you to your loaded question.
Louis Cyphre
>LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
>atheists
>> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in
>God
>> so happy?
>
>"My experience differs from yours. I'm a fairly happy
> atheist, and most atheists I know well enough to guess
> if they are happy or not seem to be fairly happy,
> well-adjusted people."
>
>"IME the only thing that tends to make atheists unhappy is
> being preached at. Perhaps the atheists you know just
> seem miserable to you because your preaching is making
> them so. The observor does affect the observed, you know."
I suspect he needs to believe that those that don't follow his fantasy
are miserable, after all, how else is he going to feel superior?
I've met some pretty miserable Xers in meatspace and cyberspace. They
come in two types the openly miserable one and the smarmy type that
just insist that they're /so/ happy. That's not a picture of all Xians
but it's a pretty large demographic.
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Andres64
"LoveOneAnother" <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
>atheists (from my experience) so miserable,
And you formulated this idiotic assumption based on what...?
But just for fun: because of self-righteous, know-it-all buttinskis like
you.
>and those people with a deep faith in God so happy?
See above.
Did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?
-- from "Heathers"
--
Sincerely,
Andrés (#1624)
You always have a choice.
Martin Thomas
>
> faith...look it up...it doesn't require proof. Do you irrefutable proof that
> George Washington was the first president? No. You have faith in the
> documentation of historians.
If belief in god was the same kind of thing as belief that George Washington
was the first president then we would all be believers in God.
But the fact is that while scarcely anyone doubts that George Washington was
the first president, lots of people doubt the existence of god.
=== Martin Thomas
Martin Thomas
>
> Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
Do you regard sarcasm as superior to namecalling?
If so, please explain.
If not, I challenge you to give it up.
=== Martin Thomas
Robibnikoff
"LoveOneAnother" <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
atheists
in God
> so happy?
>
>
Well, I'm the only atheist I know personally and I must say that I am
much happier, much more satisfied with my life than my xian friends and
relatives. They always seem to be searching for something more in
their lives and always seem to find themselves unfulfilled in some
way. OTOH I am extremely happy with both myself and my life in
general. Go figure :)
--
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Robibnikoff
"Simplifier" <joel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You know Christians? How do you keep a conversation with them when
all you
> do is call them names?
>
>
"honey".
Robibnikoff
just your particular sect?
Robibnikoff
"Simplifier" <joel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> That was compelling...I think I will give up my beliefs now.
>
>
your posts to induce any of us to convert to your myth? Don't flatter
yourself, darling.
Robibnikoff
> >> That was compelling...I think I will give up my beliefs now.
> >>
> >>
> >
only things
> >keeping your head from imploding.
>
some of
> the hate out of him.
>
> Are personal insults really necessary?
Sometimes they are when trying to get a point across - not mention they
can often be quite amusing. Hey, if you can't stand the heat, stay out
of alt.atheism ;)
>
> >
> >Mike
LoveOneAnother
>If belief in god was the same kind of thing as belief that George Washington
>was the first president then we would all be believers in God.
>
>But the fact is that while scarcely anyone doubts that George Washington was
>the first president, lots of people doubt the existence of god.
Yet the original poster is correct in that you believe that Washington
existed, even though you never saw him with your own eyes. Indeed, no one
living today saw him with their own eyes, so you cannot even get first-hand
testimony from a living person.
Robibnikoff
"Maryph777" <Mary...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why are so many atheists reading this newsgroup, they must be looking
for
> something. If I didn't believe in God, I certainly wouldn't be
looking at a
> religious newsgroup.
Hey sweetie, I'm reading this in alt.atheism, not in a xian newsgroup
which I avoid for obvious reasons. You might want to check out the
newsgroups where the message is being posted before you open your mouth.
>
> LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:38729...@nebula.superior.net...
> > If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
> atheists
> > (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep
faith in
> God
> > so happy?
> >
> >
>
>
--
Robibnikoff
"Simplifier" <joel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
>
>
Oooh arrogance...how "christian".
--
Robyn
LoveOneAnother
>You assholes will believe anything, won't you? Oh, look out for that
>two-headed dragon behind you...made ya look!
Another miserable, name-calling atheist full of hate. Thanks for supporting
the point I made in the original post of this thread.
I'm sure there are many folks reading this who will pray that you find a way
out of your misery, and come to believe in the loving God who created you.
Peace to you,
Brian
Louis Cyphre
wrote:
>LoveOneAnother wrote:
>>
>> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are
>> most atheists (from my experience) so miserable, and those people
>> with a deep faith in God so happy?
>
>If you're brainwashed, you have no choice but to be happy.
>Atheists, on the other hand, happen to feel miserable due to
>the enormous flood of dogmatic trolls that run naked and pissing
>through our newsgroup.
>
Incontinent arseholes.
LoveOneAnother
>No, cockwipe, but they're loads of fun! BTW, who the fuck are you to talk
>about hate, barging into this NG to make rash generalizations and piss
>people off? Is this what you have to do to get your twat wet?
All these newsgroups are public. And you, once again, with your nasty,
miserable and hateful vitriol, only serve to prove my point.
Why don't you turn away from your denial of God? It's then that you'll find
some peace.
Most atheists I know (not all) have a thin crust of civility on the outside
of them. But when that crust is even slightly pierced with the Sword of
Eternal Reason, the scalding lava of their hatred and self-doubt spews out.
We'll pray for all of you.
Peace.
LoveOneAnother
>>What leads you to the assumption that "simplifier" is a fundamentalist?
>
>The same assumption that lead you to your loaded question.
It wasn't a loaded question; it was an informed observation.
LoveOneAnother
> /'_/)
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> / /
> /'_'/' '/'__'7,
> /'/ / / /" /_\
> ('( ' ' _~/' ')
> \ ' /
> '\' \ _.7'
> \ (
> \ \
Tell us something Michael Nash the Miserable Atheist, why do you feel
compelled to give everyone reading your posts the finger? (I notice that you
use that signature on a.a. as well. Do you hate even your fellow atheists?
Turn away from your hate and toward God.
Peace be with you.
jest...@my-deja.com
However, we have more than one source of information about George
Washington. There are a number of historical accounts of his life, from
a number of sources. The Christian account of God's existence comes
from one source: the Bible. If I wrote a book about an alleged sighting
of a UFO, most people wouldn't believe me. However, if 30 people all
wrote books relating the same sighting at the same time in the same
place, my claim would have more credibility. Atheists simply require
the same amount of evidence for God as they do for everything else in
their lives.
-The Jester, 774
LoveOneAnother
>Whatever...you assholes wouldn't give up believing in your imaginary
>sky-pixie if we showed you photos taken on the day of the big bang! You
>people are nothing more than potted plants with mouths and sphincters. When
>will you learn?
More hateful vitriol from Michael Nash the Miserable Atheist.
By the way, if I saw photos of the big bang, it would only serve to increase
my wonder of creation, and to confirm my belief in the existence of the
Creator. As an astronomer, I have always viewed the universe as proof of the
existence of God. (Einstein did as well).
Tell us Michael, if you believe the big bang theory, what provided the spark
for the explosion?
LoveOneAnother
>> I agree with most, but not all of what you said, Uncle Rocco. And I think
>> that you're much closer to the message of Christ than you know. I don't
>> think you necessarily need a belief in God to get to heaven. I think we'll
>be
>> judged on how we treat our fellow human beings, not what we believed or
>> disbelieved in this life.
>
>Then why waste your time believing in the first place, especially when
>there's no rational reason to?
That's a silly statement. By your logic, someone who doesn't understand
nutrition shouldn't "waste their time" eating.
Like anything else, the more we know about our loving God Who created us, the
closer we can get to Him, and the more we can be warmed by the fire of His
love. That is the only path to true happiness.
Michael, you need not suffer in your misery in this life (although I pray for
you that you will be relieved of it in the next). If you turn to God, you
will find the peace that you know in your heart you so sorely lack.
As St. Augustine said, "Our hearts were made for you, oh Lord, and they shall
not rest until they rest in you."
LoveOneAnother
>> Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
>
>....as opposed to generalizing about an entire group of people? At least
>name-calling requires a minimum level of creativity. Now get off of your
>mother and go clean the smegma out of your teeth...
Now Michael Nash the Miserable Atheist is resorting to insulting someone's
mother.
It's a good thing for you that you use insults in all these discussions. If
you didn't, you may have to back up your hopeless position with some reason.
And of course, that you cannot do.
Michael Nash the Miserable Atheist, you are the poster child for the Former
Atheist's Club. People could look to you in order to see why they should not
remain atheists.
Please, I beg you, turn away from your self-indulging hate, and turn toward
the God Who created you and loves you.
God Bless you, Michael Nash.
LoveOneAnother
At least he didn't insult your mother, like Michael Nash The Miserable
Atheist did.
LoveOneAnother
>The atheists are correct, there is no god, and athiests are by and large
>just as happy and well adjusted, if not moreso, than Christians who live
>with their heads in the sand. Why? Perhaps because we don't live our
>entire lives in anticipation of some wonderful afterlife that will never
>come to pass. We live our lives with the knowledge that when it's over,
>it's OVER.
Michael, I'm willing to bet that you try to live your life in a decent
manner. Am I correct? I would hope that you try to help your fellow human
beings as best you can. No?
Well if the argument you stated above is correct -- "when it's over it's
OVER" -- then why do you bother trying to live a decent life at all? Why
don't you just step on people, stab them in the back, and do everything you
legally can to grab as much from this life as possible, regardless of how it
may affect others?
After all, by your logic, it wouldn't matter. For when it's over, it's over.
Abner Mintz
> Another miserable, name-calling atheist full of hate. Thanks for
supporting
> the point I made in the original post of this thread.
"Interesting. There were at least seven or eight
(that I saw) reasoned and polite responses to your
post (such as mine). You ignored them (no response
posted). There were a smaller number insulting you
- you focused in on them and responsed to them."
"No wonder you think that atheists are miserable!
You're doing selective counting, responding only
to those who you think support your point and ignoring
the rest!"
netrenc...@my-deja.com
> > If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
> atheists
> > (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep
faith
> in God
> > so happy?
> >
> >
>
> much happier, much more satisfied with my life than my xian friends
and
> relatives. They always seem to be searching for something more in
> their lives and always seem to find themselves unfulfilled in some
> way. OTOH I am extremely happy with both myself and my life in
> general. Go figure :)
As far as friends and relatives go, I have many who are atheists. At
least two friends I have are on anti-depressant medication. One has a
history of suicide attempts. However, I don't think atheism by itself
causes unhappiness; nor does it cause happiness. The same applies to
religion. I have some Christian friends that are the happiest people I
know. Go figure :)
BCNU
NEtRENCHERPRIME
--
"THE WORLD IS ON IT'S ELBOWS AND KNEES.
THEY'VE FORGOTTEN THE MESSAGE,
AND WORSHIP THE CREEDS." THE THE-THE VIOLENCE
OF TRUTH
LoveOneAnother
>Incontinent arseholes.
Another hate-filled statement from an Atheist who is obviously miserable.
Tell us, Louie, is your humorous little moniker intended to show that you
worship Satan?
If so, tell the him I'm laughing at him. He's a funny (but pathetic) little
man.
LoveOneAnother
>If you're brainwashed, you have no choice but to be happy.
>Atheists, on the other hand, happen to feel miserable due to
>the enormous flood of dogmatic trolls that run naked and pissing
>through our newsgroup.
"Our newsgroup"? The last I knew, this was a *public* newsgroup addressing
the subject of atheism. No?
What's the matter, Decimal? Does the Light of Truth blind your eyes so much
that you can't even stand to look at it?
Keep your eyes open for a while. You'll quickly find out that it is quite
warm, and very nourishing.
LoveOneAnother
>LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Another miserable, name-calling atheist full of hate. Thanks for
>supporting
>> the point I made in the original post of this thread.
>
>"Interesting. There were at least seven or eight
> (that I saw) reasoned and polite responses to your
> post (such as mine). You ignored them (no response
> posted). There were a smaller number insulting you
> - you focused in on them and responsed to them."
Actually, I did responded to positive posts. Uncle Rocco's was, I thought,
the most thoughtful.
I missed yours, Abner, and I'll go back and look for it. Sorry about that.
(With all due respect, the majority of responses were quite nasty).
John Hattan
>Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
Why not? Elijah mocked quite admirably when referring to the nonexistent
Baal.
Why can we not do the same when referring to your Jesus H. Baal?
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john-...@home.com http://www.freespeech.org/shatner
LoveOneAnother
>"My experience differs from yours. I'm a fairly happy
> atheist, and most atheists I know well enough to guess
> if they are happy or not seem to be fairly happy,
> well-adjusted people."
>
>"IME the only thing that tends to make atheists unhappy is
> being preached at. Perhaps the atheists you know just
> seem miserable to you because your preaching is making
> them so. The observor does affect the observed, you know."
Abner, you make an assumption that I "preach" to atheists. Nothing could be
further from the truth. Posting my opinions on a public newsgroup (just as
atheists do), is a far cry from preaching. After all, the whole purpose of
newsgroups is to discuss issues.
I could just as easily describe any of your posts as "preaching" in the name
of atheism. But if I did so, I'd be wrong.
John Hattan
>faith...look it up...it doesn't require proof.
I have faith that there's an invisible gnorg sitting on my head.
That doesn't make it so. It's only wishful thinking.
>Do you irrefutable proof that
>George Washington was the first president? No. You have faith in the
>documentation of historians.
1. The claim that there existed an ordinary man named George Washington
who was the first president does not require the same standard of
evidence as the claim that a god-man named Jesus existed, performed many
miracles, raised himself from the dead, and requires my worship to avoid
an infinite punishment. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence.
2. There are a slew of contemporaneous first-hand accounts of the
existence of George Washington. There are no contemporaneous first-hand
accounts of the existence of Jesus.
Stephen Knight
wrote:
>Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
>
Hey, Newbie. Who are you responding to? What did he say? Did he
call you an ignorant fuck who can't figure out Usenet posting? God
ain't gonna do it for you. Wanker.
Steve Knight #855
Knight of BAAWA
LoveOneAnother
John Hattan wrote:
>1. The claim that there existed an ordinary man named George Washington
>who was the first president does not require the same standard of
>evidence as the claim that a god-man named Jesus existed, performed many
>miracles, raised himself from the dead, and requires my worship to avoid
>an infinite punishment.
You mis-state the teaching of the overwhelming majority of Christian
denominations. Jesus does not require that you worship him in order to avoid
eternal punishment.
With all due respect, you should get your facts straight before you post.
I'd be glad to point you in the right direction for any information you might
need on the teachings of Christianity. Then you can make an informed
opinion.
LoveOneAnother
> Hey, Newbie. Who are you responding to? What did he say? Did he
>call you an ignorant fuck who can't figure out Usenet posting? God
>ain't gonna do it for you. Wanker.
Another miserable atheist whose statement only serves to prove the point of
the original post.
There is a way out of your misery, you know. It is God.
Peace to you.
mtcolby
Simplifier wrote:
>
> Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
An idiot is ignorant or a feebleminded person with a 'mental' age of
three.
LOA is more than deserved of this title, and I could waste my time
creating a report over the subject to justify it as more than
namecalling.
Don Kresch
that
>Michael J Nash:
>
>>You assholes will believe anything, won't you? Oh, look out for that
>>two-headed dragon behind you...made ya look!
>
>
>Another miserable, name-calling atheist full of hate.
Non sequitur. You have no cause to make that leap.
Maybe it's that we're sick of morons like you who want to play
pop-psychologist.
There is no god, wanker.
Don
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, EAC Decryption squad
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
Don Kresch
Don Kresch
>We believe you...really we do.
Could we trouble you to *quote* the text of the post you're responding to,
O ye moron newbie. Kinda helps us know what the fuck you're talking about.
Fucking idiots--don't know netiquette.
Don Kresch
Brian Westley
I see when YOUR thin crust of civility is pierced, all YOUR
hateful lava comes pouring out.
Now, I'm sure, since you use polite wording, you don't consider
yourself hateful. But you are.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
LoveOneAnother
> Maybe it's that we're sick of morons like you who want to play
>pop-psychologist.
>
>
> There is no god, wanker.
More name-calling from a miserable atheist. I hope you find some peace.
LoveOneAnother
How so? I'm not the one calling all the Theists in this thread "morons",
"fucking idiots," "wankers (I love that one), etc, etc. It is the atheists
who are doing so. I'm just engaging in an intellectual discussion.
Once again, I have to say that the Atheists on here, by and large, proved the
point I was making in the original post.
>
>Now, I'm sure, since you use polite wording, you don't consider
>yourself hateful. But you are.
How so?
LoveOneAnother
>On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:00:43 -0500, in alt.atheism, Simplifier told us all
that
>
>>We believe you...really we do.
>
> Could we trouble you to *quote* the text of the post you're responding to,
>O ye moron newbie. Kinda helps us know what the fuck you're talking about.
>
> Fucking idiots--don't know netiquette.
More hateful, name-calling and nastiness from a miserable atheist who can't
engage in an intellectual discussion without resorting to foul language and
vitriol.
You support the proposition put forth in the original post.
LoveOneAnother
>
>Simplifier wrote:
>>
>> Oooh namecalling...how intellectual.
>
>An idiot is ignorant or a feebleminded person with a 'mental' age of
>three.
Boy, you atheists are just full of vitriol and hate. I hope you overcome it
someday. All you can do is respond with hate-filled, miserable name-calling.
You can all run from the truth, but you cannot hide.
>LOA is more than deserved of this title, and I could waste my time
>creating a report over the subject to justify it as more than
>namecalling.
If you could, you would. But you can't.
raven1
<kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Michael J Nash wrote:
>
>>The atheists are correct, there is no god, and athiests are by and large
>>just as happy and well adjusted, if not moreso, than Christians who live
>>with their heads in the sand. Why? Perhaps because we don't live our
>>entire lives in anticipation of some wonderful afterlife that will never
>>come to pass. We live our lives with the knowledge that when it's over,
>>it's OVER.
>
>Michael, I'm willing to bet that you try to live your life in a decent
>manner. Am I correct? I would hope that you try to help your fellow human
>beings as best you can. No?
>
>Well if the argument you stated above is correct -- "when it's over it's
>OVER" -- then why do you bother trying to live a decent life at all? Why
>don't you just step on people, stab them in the back, and do everything you
>legally can to grab as much from this life as possible, regardless of how it
>may affect others?
So what you're saying, then, is that you're a sociopath who only
refrains from such actions because of your religious beliefs? Is that
it?
>
>After all, by your logic, it wouldn't matter. For when it's over, it's over.
So if you thought there was no God, you'd go out and do all of the
above, then? No?
"When a man lies, he murders some part of the world."
- Merlin, "Excalibur"
Kalle Helenius
LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:38735...@nebula.superior.net...
>
> John Hattan wrote:
>
> >1. The claim that there existed an ordinary man named George
Washington
> >who was the first president does not require the same standard
of
> >evidence as the claim that a god-man named Jesus existed,
performed many
> >miracles, raised himself from the dead, and requires my worship
to avoid
> >an infinite punishment.
>
> You mis-state the teaching of the overwhelming majority of
Christian
> denominations. Jesus does not require that you worship him in
order to avoid
> eternal punishment.
Oh, please! The bible makes it very clear what happens to those
that do *not* worship (believe in) him.
Before you say that i am misreading the bible, or misrepresenting
or "not reading in context" or whatever, i ask you to present a
version of bible and the appropriate interpretation of it that is
universally accepted by xians.
I do note, however, that you sidestepped the actual issue, as is
the wont of the average christerbot bent on depressing the
oppressed.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
> With all due respect, you should get your facts straight before
you post.
> I'd be glad to point you in the right direction for any
information you might
> need on the teachings of Christianity. Then you can make an
informed
> opinion.
With all due disrespect, the two words "bible" and "fact" do not
belong in the same book, let alone the same sentence. Continuing
the same disrespect here, i bet my bottom dollar that we have more
knowledgeable bible scholars here in alt.atheism than you, and that
we atheists are in general more knowledgeable than the average
xian. Easily.
And again, there are more versions of xianity than there are stars
visible in the northern hemisphere. If my memory serves me correct,
the number is somewhere around 20000. When you give me a
satisfactory answer as to why it is possible that all those
denominations are doctrinally different, yet based on the same
book, *then* you can ask yourself whether or not *your* opinion is
informed, and whether or not *your* information is correct.
Have a researchful day.
--
Damnant quod non intelligunt.
Aut disce aut discede.
kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi , EAC Comfy chair and fluffy pillows
administrator.
remove a.a# to reply...BAAWA!
raven1
<kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Don Kresch wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:00:43 -0500, in alt.atheism, Simplifier told us all
>that
>>
>>>We believe you...really we do.
>>
>> Could we trouble you to *quote* the text of the post you're responding to,
>>O ye moron newbie. Kinda helps us know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>
>> Fucking idiots--don't know netiquette.
>
>
>More hateful, name-calling and nastiness from a miserable atheist who can't
>engage in an intellectual discussion without resorting to foul language and
>vitriol.
I wasn't aware that you were attempting to engage in an intellectual
discussion; so far all you've done is make arrogant assertions. That
people have called you on it is hardly surprising. You may think in
some way that you're attempting to "help" people, but you're coming
off as a huge jerk in the process. Perhaps you might ask yourself why
virtually *everyone* is insulting you here. It isn't because we're all
miserable, it's because you're being obnoxious.
>
>You support the proposition put forth in the original post.
Your arrogance and presumption are rather un-Christian, I must say.
raven1
<kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Brian Westley wrote:
>
>>"LoveOneAnother" <kell...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>Michael J Nash wrote:
>>
>>>>The atheists are correct, there is no god, and athiests are by and large
>>>>just as happy and well adjusted, if not moreso, than Christians who live
>>>>with their heads in the sand. Why? Perhaps because we don't live our
>>>>entire lives in anticipation of some wonderful afterlife that will never
>>>>come to pass. We live our lives with the knowledge that when it's over,
>>>>it's OVER.
>>
>>>Michael, I'm willing to bet that you try to live your life in a decent
>>>manner. Am I correct? I would hope that you try to help your fellow human
>>>beings as best you can. No?
>>
>>>Well if the argument you stated above is correct -- "when it's over it's
>>>OVER" -- then why do you bother trying to live a decent life at all? Why
>>>don't you just step on people, stab them in the back, and do everything you
>>>legally can to grab as much from this life as possible, regardless of how
>it
>>>may affect others?
>>
>>>After all, by your logic, it wouldn't matter. For when it's over, it's
>over.
>>
>>I see when YOUR thin crust of civility is pierced, all YOUR
>>hateful lava comes pouring out.
>
>
>How so? I'm not the one calling all the Theists in this thread "morons",
>"fucking idiots," "wankers (I love that one), etc, etc.
You're being called names because you're an arrogant jackass. Theists
who treat us with respect (Jayne) are given the respect they deserve.
Theists who come here to alt.atheism to preach and make insulting
assertions are also treated with the respect they deserve: in this
case, none.
> It is the atheists
>who are doing so. I'm just engaging in an intellectual discussion.
Bullshit. All you've done is make assertions.
>
>Once again, I have to say that the Atheists on here, by and large, proved the
>point I was making in the original post.
What was that point again? That we get annoyed at idiots who have the
arrogance to tell us how we feel? Quite true; it's amazing that you
had to take a survey to figure it out.
John Hattan
>Actually, I did responded to positive posts. Uncle Rocco's was, I thought,
>the most thoughtful.
>
>I missed yours, Abner, and I'll go back and look for it. Sorry about that.
Mine too.
In fact, here is is again. . .
- Do you have anything to lend support to your claim that atheists are
less happy than Christians other than your assertion? Recent divorce
statistics shows that most Christian sects have less happy marriages
than atheists.
- How can you consider happiness to be evidence for your god when people
who worship other gods can also be quite happy?
- People who have addictions (smoking, alcohol) feel better when they
are feeding their addiction. Is this happiness a testimony to the worth
of addiction?
- Where exactly did your god say that your personal happiness is a
measure of his worth? Looking at the lives of Jesus, the disciples, and
other first-century Christians, I'd say that having "deep faith in God"
was a one-way ticket to misery.
Brian Westley
>Brian Westley wrote:
>>"LoveOneAnother" <kell...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>Michael J Nash wrote:
>>
>>>>The atheists are correct, there is no god, and athiests are by and large
>>>>just as happy and well adjusted, if not moreso, than Christians who live
>>>>with their heads in the sand. Why? Perhaps because we don't live our
>>>>entire lives in anticipation of some wonderful afterlife that will never
>>>>come to pass. We live our lives with the knowledge that when it's over,
>>>>it's OVER.
>>
>>>Michael, I'm willing to bet that you try to live your life in a decent
>>>manner. Am I correct? I would hope that you try to help your fellow human
>>>beings as best you can. No?
>>
>>>Well if the argument you stated above is correct -- "when it's over it's
>>>OVER" -- then why do you bother trying to live a decent life at all? Why
>>>don't you just step on people, stab them in the back, and do everything you
>>>legally can to grab as much from this life as possible, regardless of how
>it
>>>may affect others?
>>
>>>After all, by your logic, it wouldn't matter. For when it's over, it's
>over.
>>
>>I see when YOUR thin crust of civility is pierced, all YOUR
>>hateful lava comes pouring out.
>How so? I'm not the one calling all the Theists in this thread "morons",
>"fucking idiots," "wankers (I love that one), etc, etc. It is the atheists
>who are doing so. I'm just engaging in an intellectual discussion.
No, you deliberately go out of your way to insult atheists and impune
their morals, then pretend to be superior when some of them insult you.
>Once again, I have to say that the Atheists on here, by and large, proved the
>point I was making in the original post.
The point you were making in your original post is exactly why you are a
hateful theist.
>>Now, I'm sure, since you use polite wording, you don't consider
>>yourself hateful. But you are.
>How so?
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
John Hattan
>Stephen Knight wrote:
>
>> Hey, Newbie. Who are you responding to? What did he say? Did he
>>call you an ignorant fuck who can't figure out Usenet posting? God
>>ain't gonna do it for you. Wanker.
>
>
>Another miserable atheist whose statement only serves to prove the point of
>the original post.
OK OK. I think we all see where you're going with this.
You post a buncha flamebait about how we're miserable, wait for people
to yell at you, then claim that the fact that you're being yelled at is
proof that they're miserable.
>There is a way out of your misery, you know. It is God.
Provide one teensy piece of evidence of the existence of your god that
doesn't reduce to "because I said so", and you just might convince him.
>Peace to you.
First you provoke an argument, then you cloak yourself in
self-righteousness. Are you a good example of the mindset that I can
look forward to if I join your religion?
xo...@my-deja.com
"LoveOneAnother" <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most
atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith
in God
> so happy?
>
>
Somehow I doubt the sincerity of your interest in what atheists think or
feel. Did you really come here seeking to save atheist souls? Or did you
come here to bump against evidence that contradicts your picture of
reality--that sane, intelligent, well-educated, rational people can be
both atheist and reasonably happy--in the hope that by bumping against
it, it will go away? I would bet that you're more troubled by the
possible existence of intelligent and reasonably content atheists (as
well you should be) than they are by the probable nonexistence of God.
If you examined your need to send this post to this newsgroup (i.e.,
alt.atheism), I would be interested in an honest accounting of it.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Kurt
LoveOneAnother <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> John Hattan wrote:
>
> >1. The claim that there existed an ordinary man named George Washington
> >who was the first president does not require the same standard of
> >evidence as the claim that a god-man named Jesus existed, performed many
> >miracles, raised himself from the dead, and requires my worship to avoid
> >an infinite punishment.
>
> You mis-state the teaching of the overwhelming majority of Christian
> denominations. Jesus does not require that you worship him in order to
avoid
> eternal punishment.
>
From Webster:
worship: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an
act of expressing such reverence
So which *minority* of christian denominations are 'wrong'?
--
Kurt, a.a. #1707
DJ Nozem
<kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
>(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
>so happy?
Here's a few possible answers.
You know the wrong atheists, I'm happy from time to time, and all
people I know in real life don't consider me to be miserable. I don't
think I'm the prototypical happy & cheerful atheist, though. Perhaps
Tukla is, he's so happy he even likes ABBA songs.
The face of reality is not necessarily a beautiful one, when
confronted with it a person may become miserable.
It may be true that to some extent some religions can cheer you up
when you're down, but the question is if making people happy can
justify "deep faith in God". Not all religions do this trick, you
shouldn't seek comfort in calvinism or gnosticism when you're
depressed, for example.
Existence is futile - Everything is going to be -
Nothing was meant to be - We give meaning to eachother
DJ Nozem #1465 zwag...@multiweb.nl
Wayne M. Delia
LoveOneAnother wrote:
>
> If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
> (from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
> so happy?
I freely admit to reposting this material I wrote in another thread, but
it is absolutely applicable to the above question.
Assuming that's more than a rhetoric question, I can honestly assert
that I live one of the happiest lives imaginable. In no particular
order, I can point to deep satisfaction in the following areas of my
life: 1) wonderful wife, 2) delightful children, 3) challenging and
rewarding career, 4) outstanding extended family, 5) terrific house in a
terrific neighborhood, 6) good health, 7) new car paid off, 8) enjoyable
hobbies and interests, 9) involvement in advising a local college social
fraternity, 10) no religious constraints, 11) a fully-funded college
education for both of my kids, 12) an early and very comfortable
retirement a decade from now. That's just a dozen reasons off the top of
my head; if I needed to, I could keep going for quite some time.
On the other hand, I'm quite sure that there are Christians who are
profoundly unhappy, as one of my best friends from high school, Heather,
a sincere born-again Christian with unshakable faith in Jesus, is
struggling with many different tragedies and burdens that she really
doesn't deserve. Raped, assaulted, married to (and fled from) an abusive
husband, on public assistance, caring for four kids battered by her
husband, no means of transportation, and no home of their own. She's
attempted suicide on two occasions. I've helped out as much as she will
allow, and then even more, but it becomes apparent to all except her
that her God has abandoned her. The point is not that I've done more for
her and her family than her God has done, but that for some reason her
God (assuming He exists) is putting her through some sort of useless,
pointless "test" while I am enjoying life to the fullest without having
any belief or faith in her God.
--
Wayne Delia, Atheist #61, MSTie #37634
"That remark would hurt, if I had any feelings."
(Richard Fish, on "Ally McBeal")
Wayne M. Delia
Simplifier wrote:
>
> That was compelling...I think I will give up my beliefs now.
The Ninth Commandment reads "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
So, either you've converted to atheism, or you're violating one of the
Ten Commandments without remorse.
If the Ten Commandments don't apply to you, why should you expect them
to apply to us?
Theodore M. Seeber
> In article <38729...@nebula.superior.net>, "LoveOneAnother" <kell...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >If the atheists are correct, and there is no God, then why are most atheists
> >(from my experience) so miserable, and those people with a deep faith in God
> >so happy?
>
> Why are most atheists I know so content with life, and most Christians I know
> so miserable?
If you were so content with life, why is your handle "scowling"?
Ted
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