Re: Repent and be saved for disasters will hit the Planet Earth.
Pastor Frank
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> <proph...@yahoo.com> wrote in message...
>>
>> The devil,
>> the devil is not going to be,
>> the devil is not going to be because
>> the time of the devil,
>> the time of the devil is finished.
>
> The devil does not exist. You and misled cretins like you, created the
> devil.
> May we all tell you where you can put your 'devil'...
>
Satan is a liar and the father of all lies. That is why it's important
to Satan, to get people to believe that neither he nor God exist. You either
fell for it being simple minded, or you are the sneaky, wily and cunning
devil yourself, or one of his minions.
ªºª rrock
Honestly, Frank, you sound paranoid. If you check out the etymology of the
word from the book that you read it in, you will see that it simply means
one whom contradicts. By that definition alone, you appear to be acting more
within that character than somebody who understands where the myth came from.
Aaron
wrote:
Actually the word "devil" comes from "diabolos," which is greek for
"traducer." Since "traducer" is a bit uncommon, I should clarify that
it means someone who used lies and deceit to condemn people.
I doubt that all the people who sinned before Satan fell never told a
lie, however since Satan opposes the almighty dishonesty seems to be
his only weapon.
I would also note that I have heard many atheists arrogantly claim
that they know the "origins of theistic mythology," and they always
get it wrong. I don't just mean that they no not believe in God, they
get events and places totally wrong. Some of this may be intentional
in an effort to discredit the Bible, but some is simply too far
fetched to be believable even by someone who has no particular
opinion.
I do not know if you personally fall into that category. So, I am not
accusing you of such. What I am saying is that the origins of Judaism
and all subsequent monotheism, come down to matters of opinion. You
have yours and I do not believe that anything that I type will change
your mind. There is no way that you could change my mind. So, I
would suggest polite acceptance of differing opinions without the
mutual condemnation that seems to abound here.
I disagree with most of what Frank writes. His Atheist beliefs
coupled with tatters of Christianity, pseudo-Christian mythology,
anti-Semitism, and new-age mysticism is just too bizarre for me to
accept. He really should start his own religion, maybe he can be tax
exempt?? Frank, founder of Frankism - LOL As usual, Frank has gone
beyond the scope of Christianity to attack someone. Please do not
judge all theists by the actions of a man who has been kicked out of
his local church for hateful and bizarre behavior
ªºª rrock
Aaron wrote:
I was referring to the word "Satan".
All that said... about the only thing that bothers me about Frank is that
he is a compulsive cross-poster. Usually people cross-post to increase
an audience spam level and it indicates to me that he is searching for
people that might agree with him rather than taking the time to just
bump into someone now and then and start a discussion. Some of the
confusion, though, i believe stems from the number of conversations
he has... i have noticed several times where he has confused one person
with another, and not paid close attention to whom is whom nor what they
found important.
>
>
Pastor Frank
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answer. I told you already, that I adhere to the views of the Christian NT
Bible, and all your, or anyone else's protestations won't move me to abandon
Christian scriptures.
So quit already trying to convince me of unbiblical doctrines. If you
can't stay within the Biblical parameter, please move on already to groups
which represent your views. Thanks.
Pastor Frank
>
> All that said... about the only thing that bothers me about Frank is that
> he is a compulsive cross-poster. Usually people cross-post to increase
> an audience spam level and it indicates to me that he is searching for
> people that might agree with him rather than taking the time to just
> bump into someone now and then and start a discussion. Some of the
> confusion, though, i believe stems from the number of conversations
> he has... i have noticed several times where he has confused one person
> with another, and not paid close attention to whom is whom nor what they
> found important.
>
will have all of us in stitches. LOL
News:alt.religion.apologetics is where people justify their religious
beliefs according to their holy scriptures. When will you let us know the
name of your religion and what your holy scriptures are.
ªºª rrock
I am certain now that you are not reading posts before responding to them.
If you remember just a couple days ago i asked that rather than crossposting
that we have a conversation in a single group. This is simple UseNet netiquette.
I suggested that the group be alt.religion.apologetics. And now you reply to
me with this?
> So quit already trying to convince me of unbiblical doctrines. If you
> can't stay within the Biblical parameter, please move on already to groups
> which represent your views. Thanks.
Pastor Frank wrote:
> What and whom are you preaching? I keep asking you without getting an
> answer. I told you already, that I adhere to the views of the Christian NT
> Bible, and all your, or anyone else's protestations won't move me to abandon
> Christian scriptures.
You keep asking and i keep answering and you keep failing to read the reply.
Then you come back and tell me that i am ignoring your question. One more time:
Religions are for other people. If you choose to have one, thats your affair.
I know God as the primary fact. This fact is written in the Bible and labeled
as the "first commmandment". I also know that all things that God created are
good. This fact is also written in the very first chapter of the very first
book of the Bible. Jesus supported both of these facts and adhered to them
during the course of his life here.
Abram was not any particular religion when God called him. Adam was not any
particular religion when God called him. You can insist that i follow some
religion all you wish, but i answer only to God.
You have already abandoned the scriptures, that is plain and evident. I have
stated here again simple facts. If you resond to them, fine, we will continue
our conversation. If you are simply a troll however, and don't even treat
others with enough respect to read what they write before spamming their
post with off-topic Bible quotations, then our conversation is also, only
an illusion. The key syllable in "conversation" is "con" which means "with"
and means that a conversation requires two persons to mutually read and
understand the words.
If this is too complicated for you, then sorry but, i can't help you. Try
asking God for foregivness with sincerity in your heart and God will fill you
with the truth. And you can preach "Satan" all you wish, but i only know God
as it is written. So, sorry, but you are not going to convert me into a
Satanist.
ªºª rrock
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "ชบช rrock" <inv...@address.here> wrote in message
Your opinion is incorrect and unfounded, Frank. The actual stated intention
of alt.religion.apologetics is: "general apologetic discussions". If you are
familiar with NNTP protocol you can easily find this by querying your news
server. If you are unfamiliar with NNTP protocol, then you can see the intention
stated here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.apologetics .
Per your insinuation that i would begin a cross-post leaving you in stitches,
i have two thoughts about that:
1. You pulled my comment out of a single-group posting from a conversation between
myself and Aaron in alt.religion.apologetics, and then you cross-posted it, yourself
to alt.bible, alt.christian.religion, alt.christnet.evangelical, alt.christnet.philosophy,
alt.christnet.theology, and also alt.religion.apologetics.
Here are the headers from my original post: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.apologetics/msg/35a3651b72a0e78e?dmode=source
Newsgroups: alt.religion.apologetics
Subject: Re: Repent and be saved for disasters will hit the Planet Earth.
In-Reply-To: <0a9862tk4v59026vu...@4ax.com>
2. What i wrote about cross-posting is not criticizing. It is simply letting you know
the netiquette of UseNet of which you evidently are unaware, or are purposely contemptuous.
If you would like some references to these ways and means, just let me know.
About your question, again, it has already been answered satisfactorily in previous
posts. I suggest that you begin to read what people have to say before responding
like a common troll.
Please notice that the heasers in this reply contain a follow-up to alt.religion.apologetics.
This means that any further cross-posting of this conversation is done purposely by you
and you alone.
Pastor Frank
> Dear Pastor Frank:
>
> I am certain now that you are not reading posts before responding to
> them.
> If you remember just a couple days ago i asked that rather than
> crossposting
> that we have a conversation in a single group. This is simple UseNet
> netiquette.
> I suggested that the group be alt.religion.apologetics. And now you reply
> to
> me with this?
>
>> So quit already trying to convince me of unbiblical doctrines. If you
>> can't stay within the Biblical parameter, please move on already to
>> groups which represent your views. Thanks.
>
> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> What and whom are you preaching? I keep asking you without getting an
>> answer. I told you already, that I adhere to the views of the Christian
>> NT Bible, and all your, or anyone else's protestations won't move me to
>> abandon Christian scriptures.
>
> You keep asking and i keep answering and you keep failing to read the
> reply.
> Then you come back and tell me that i am ignoring your question. One more
> time:
>
> Religions are for other people.
yet you post to news:alt.religion.apologetcs , which RELIGION are you
promoting in this religious group? And why are you trying to change other
people's belief system without ever quoting any scripture? See below the
massive NT Bible reference to Satan you deny to exist.
Pastor Frank
Mt:4:10: Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is
written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Mt:12:26: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how
shall then his kingdom stand?
Mt:16:23: But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:
thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of
God, but those that be of men.
Mk:1:13: And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan;
and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Mk:3:23: And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How
can Satan cast out Satan?
Mk:3:26: And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot
stand, but hath an end.
Mk:4:15: And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but
when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word
that was sown in their hearts.
Mk:8:33: But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he
rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the
things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
Lk:4:8: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for
it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou
serve.
Lk:10:18: And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from
heaven.
Lk:11:18: If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom
stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
Lk:13:16: And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan
hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the
sabbath day?
Lk:22:3: Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the
number of the twelve.
Lk:22:31: And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to
have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
Jn:13:27: And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto
him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Acts:5:3: But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie
to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Acts:26:18: To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and
from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins,
and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Rom:16:20: And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
1Cor:5:5: To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the
flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Cor:7:5: Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a
time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together
again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
2Cor:2:11: Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant
of his devices.
2Cor:11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
2Cor:12:7: And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance
of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the
messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
1Thes:2:18: Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and
again; but Satan hindered us.
2Thes:2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all
power and signs and lying wonders,
1Tm:1:20: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto
Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
1Tm:5:15: For some are already turned aside after Satan.
Rv:2:9: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich)
and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but
are the synagogue of Satan.
Rv:2:13: I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat
is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in
those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you,
where Satan dwelleth.
Rv:2:24: But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have
not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they
speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
Rv:3:9: Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they
are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and
worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Rv:12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the
earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rv:20:2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the
Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rv:20:7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out
of his prison,
Pastor Frank
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> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> "ªºª rrock" <inv...@address.here> wrote in message
>>> All that said... about the only thing that bothers me about Frank is
>>> that
>>>he is a compulsive cross-poster. Usually people cross-post to increase
>>>an audience spam level and it indicates to me that he is searching for
>>>people that might agree with him rather than taking the time to just
>>>bump into someone now and then and start a discussion. Some of the
>>>confusion, though, i believe stems from the number of conversations
>>>he has... i have noticed several times where he has confused one person
>>>with another, and not paid close attention to whom is whom nor what they
>>>found important.
>>
>> Now make sure you don't do yourself what you criticize in others, or
>> you will have all of us in stitches. LOL
>> News:alt.religion.apologetics is where people justify their religious
>> beliefs according to their holy scriptures. When will you let us know the
>> name of your religion and what your holy scriptures are.
>
> Your opinion is incorrect and unfounded, Frank. The actual stated
> intention
> of alt.religion.apologetics is: "general apologetic discussions".
"general". Anyway, what is this bee in your bonnet about "religion"? I post
my named religion to a religious apologetics group, for comparison to other
NAMED religions and their scriptures. I keep asking you what religion you
want to extol, in accordance with which scripture and all I'm getting is a
whole lot of evasive feighning and dodging.
Please start by being honest with us, about the religion and its
scriptures you seek to represent in this religious group, and it doesn't
even have to be YOUR religion or non-religion. As far as you are concerned,
instead of me being a Christian, I might just as well be an atheist, trying
to spice up the debate a little, by representing the Christian side. The
discussion here has to occur within a scriptural parameter or be mere
personal opinion swapping.
ªºª rrock
Dear Pastor Frank,
Please become better acquainted with UseNet, how it works, it's purpose,
protocol, and netiquette. Be aware that just because you pile another
unjustified statement on top of your previous that it doesn't mean that
other people are not aware of your lack of education.
The title of a news group, and specifically, alt.religion.apologetics,
only signifies that the sub-category was created by the parent group in
order to alleviate the parent group from congestion. The actual purpose
of a news group, on the other hand, is provided by its "description".
There is a distinct a clear cut difference between the hierarchical title
of a news group and the description for a news group.
I have been kind enough earlier to provide for you an URL by which to
read the description for yourself without resorting to any possibly
difficult undertakings. Here is that URL again, please not that the
description for this group is "General apologetic discussion".
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.religion.apologetics
If that isn't easy for you to find on that page, here it is again at
a different URL:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.religion.apologetics/about
Now, you might be inclined at this point to say that you do not trust
Google as a reference, so to show you how to find the description for
yourself using the normal means of the protocol, please refer to these
documents:
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc977.html
If you have the time to actually read something that somebody else
wrote, in the future, instead of proceeding with your normal method of
spamming like a troll, then please refer to these documents as well:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/index.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1/
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/uk/guidelines/index.html
Thanks. Oh, and by the way, thanks.
ªºª rrock
Pastor Frank,
Please refer to my recent post regarding the hierarchy of news groups,
netiquette, and news group descriptions. I supply a number of URLs which
you should use to educate yourself about UseNet before making unfounded
accusations about news groups and their participants as you do.
Thanks. And by the way, thanks.
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