Re: Top five purposefully free public nntp usenet news servers (for general use)

[Danny D.]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:04:44 +0000, Steve Crook wrote:

> You need to format the recipient correctly
> To: mail2news-20121216-n...@m2n.mixmin.net

Thanks for clarifying.

I'll try that. Your instructions are much clearer than those on
the mixmin site, which imply multiple "TO" addresses plus
additional headers (which can't be done using gmail).

From what you wrote, I gather I only need the date and the
nntp newsgroup for the "TO" line.

The "SUBJECT" line would then be the nntp subject line.

And, I gather that my email address & name would be the nntp author.

I'll test that out separately.

> there isn't a way to thread replies

Hmmmmmmmmm.. I wonder how that works in a thread.
But I'll test it out.

> This page ... explains how to configure stunnel.
> http://www.banana.mixmin.net/stunnel.html

Thank you. That's a nice page that I had not seen in my searches.

I've been able to install stunnel on Linux and to start configuring
its stunnel.conf file. I'm not sure whether I need the privacy
enhanced mail PEM files (priv.pem & stunnel.pem) so I'm still
working on the stunnel configuration.

It's not easy to configure, despite how easy it seems to be on that
web page. I must be doing something wrong, but I'll keep trying.

[Anonymous]

Danny D. wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:04:44 +0000, Steve Crook wrote:
>
>> You need to format the recipient correctly
>> To: mail2news-20121216-n...@m2n.mixmin.net
>
> Thanks for clarifying.
>
> I'll try that. Your instructions are much clearer than those on
> the mixmin site, which imply multiple "TO" addresses plus
> additional headers (which can't be done using gmail).
>
> From what you wrote, I gather I only need the date and the
> nntp newsgroup for the "TO" line.
>
> The "SUBJECT" line would then be the nntp subject line.
>
> And, I gather that my email address & name would be the nntp author.
>
> I'll test that out separately.
>
>> there isn't a way to thread replies

Sure there is, as this one illustrates. :) In Thunderbird properly
configured for use with stunnel or stunnel/tor or tor alone, you can
keep the thread. Just open the message and click "Follow up", then
change the "Newsgroup" header to a "To" header and enter the delivery
parameters as you would normally with this type of message format:

To:
mail2news-20121217-alt.privacy.anon-server=alt.comp.freeware=news.softw...@m2n.mixmin.net


If you don't use Tor, the admin of the mail server would have access to
your IP, even though it would still be encrypted with stunnel up to the
point of departure from his server.

[Tony Palermo]

Anonymous wrote:

> If you don't use Tor, the admin of the mail server would have
> access to your IP

I have the tor browser bundle, but that's just Firefox.

Is there a way to use Thunderbird with Tor on Linux?

Or do you use a pre-configured Thunderbird Tor Bundle?

[Tony Palermo]

How does this final summary look for the top five USENET servers
which are purposefully public text-only general use nntp servers:

1. nntp.aioe.org 119 563 443
a. Site: http://www.aioe.org/
b. no registration needed
c. obfuscates IP
d. multiple nyms allowed
e. Note: 25 posts per day limit.

2. news.eternal-september.org 119
a. Site: http://www.eternal-september.org/
b. Email registration required (http://eternal-september.org/
RegisterNewsAccount.php)
c. obfuscates IP (most of the time)
d. multiple nyms allowed
e. Note: other?

3. reader.albasani.net 119
a. Site: http://albasani.net/index.html.en
b. email registration required (send request to ne...@albasani.net)
c. obfuscates IP
d. multiple nyms allowed
e. Note: other?

4. news.mixmin.net 563 SSL/TLS
a. Site: http://www.banana.mixmin.net/m2n.html
b. no registration needed
c. obfuscates nntp posting host IP address
d. allows multiple nyms
e. Note: Requires stunnel SSL tunnel to work with most nntp clients.

5. dotsrc.org 119
a. Site: http://dotsrc.org/usenet/
b. email registration required (send request to news-...@sunsite.dk)
c. does NOT obfuscate nntp posting host IP address!
d. multiple nyms?
e. Note: They don't seem to be answering their registration email.

Any other general purpose purposely public text-only nntp news servers?

[Anonymous]

Most certainly you can use Thunderbird with Tor on Linux. First things
first, unless you want to use Tor only when you open the browser bundle,
which is a safe configuration but not one that is necessary for the use
of Tor with other programs, you need to see whether your distribution
has tor available in the repositories utilized. On the other hand, you
could also load the browser bundle, which will start up Tor, and then
close the browser if you wanted to do so, leaving Tor itself still
running. In any case, you need to look at the Tor settings to see which
port it is utilizing as the Socks proxy. It is likely port #9050, but
check to be sure. Also, check to make sure which address Tor is using
for localhost, which is probably 127.0.0.1, but it could be something else.

Once you know those things, you would need to set up Thunderbird with an
account pointing toward those settings, namely, 127.0.0.1 and port 9050.
There are several other settings that would have to be made, but first
check this much of it out, and then we can go from there.

In addition, you should take a look at
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/EMail/Thunderbird

[Tony Palermo]

p-0'0-h the cat wrote:

>>2. news.eternal-september.org 119
> I was canned eventually for using multiple nyms. Like hundreds...

>>3. reader.albasani.net 119
> Doubt it,
> I keep this one squeaky clean, as I use it for my daily roundup.

> You can get away with a few nym changes with all providers.

> you could try tioat.net

Unfortunately tioat.net is currently offline.
Their web site says "Please try again later."

Here's the updated list with your information added.

1. nntp.aioe.org 119 563 443
a. Site: http://www.aioe.org/
b. no registration needed
c. obfuscates IP
d. multiple nyms allowed
e. Note: 25 posts per day limit.

2. news.eternal-september.org 119
a. Site: http://www.eternal-september.org/
b. Email registration required (http://eternal-september.org/
RegisterNewsAccount.php)
c. obfuscates IP (most of the time)

d. multiple nyms possible but frowned upon

e. Note: other?

3. reader.albasani.net 119
a. Site: http://albasani.net/index.html.en
b. email registration required (send request to ne...@albasani.net)
c. obfuscates IP

d. multiple nyms possible but frowned upon

e. Note: other?

4. news.mixmin.net 563 SSL/TLS
a. Site: http://www.banana.mixmin.net/m2n.html
b. no registration needed
c. obfuscates nntp posting host IP address

d. multiple nyms possible but frowned upon

[Steve Crook]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:19:40 +0000 (UTC), Tony Palermo wrote in
Message-Id: <kanuos$b18$2...@dont-email.me>:

> 4. news.mixmin.net 563 SSL/TLS
> a. Site: http://www.banana.mixmin.net/m2n.html
> b. no registration needed
> c. obfuscates nntp posting host IP address
> d. multiple nyms possible but frowned upon

I have no problem with multiple Nyms. I only frown on it if they're
used in a manner that, in my opinion, is to the detriment of the group
they're used in. i.e. Abusively.

--
What shall we use
To fill the empty spaces
Where we used to talk?

[Tony Palermo]

Steve Crook wrote:

> I have no problem with multiple Nyms. I only frown on it if they're
> used in a manner that, in my opinion, is to the detriment of the group
> they're used in. i.e. Abusively.

My purpose is privacy since a lot of information is provided in the
typical technical post.

After a few hundred posts, too much information can be gleaned
by the nutters, so, I switch nyms, but never during a thread.

I know of others who use one nym per usenet newsgroup for similar results.

In the olden days, we posted (tin, rn, etc.) with our email address in
the clear, and our place of work, etc.

Nowadays, the nuts out there overwhelm the sensible. Just look at this
thread for example. It's amazing that someone (probably a fifteen year
old kid with Aspergers) has the time to post the junk they did just
to ruin this thread's usefulness.

I'm bewildered by the sheer number of attention-mongering nuts out
there, apparently with a lot of time on their hands to post nonsensical
garbage - and they are the reason why I change nyms.

YMMV.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <kaq7oe$mvf$1...@dont-email.me>, on 12/18/2012

at 05:05 PM, Tony Palermo <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> said:

>I'm bewildered by the sheer number of attention-mongering nuts out
>there, apparently with a lot of time on their hands to post
>nonsensical garbage - and they are the reason why I change nyms.

That's also the reason that I'm tempted to filter news providers that
allow frequent changes of nym; it's easier to block an entire provider
than to keep updating my filters.

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[Tony Palermo]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> That's also the reason that I'm tempted to filter news providers that
> allow frequent changes of nym

Good point!

[Tony Palermo]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> That's also the reason that I'm tempted to filter news providers that
> allow frequent changes of nym

Good point!

[Tony Palermo]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> That's also the reason that I'm tempted to filter news providers that
> allow frequent changes of nym

Good point!

[Tony Palermo]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> That's also the reason that I'm tempted to filter news providers that
> allow frequent changes of nym

Good point!

[Tony Palermo]

Tony Palermo wrote:

> Good point!

Ouch! I'm sorry. My Eternal September hung and hung and hung.
I hit the buttons, and I apparently replied numerous times.
I apologize!

Mea culpa.

[Anonymous]

In article <50d12f65$9$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid>
wrote:

>
> In <kaq7oe$mvf$1...@dont-email.me>, on 12/18/2012
> at 05:05 PM, Tony Palermo <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> said:
>
> >I'm bewildered by the sheer number of attention-mongering nuts out
> >there, apparently with a lot of time on their hands to post
> >nonsensical garbage - and they are the reason why I change nyms.
>
> That's also the reason that I'm tempted to filter news providers that
> allow frequent changes of nym; it's easier to block an entire provider
> than to keep updating my filters.

Isn't that sort of like pounding sand up your own ass?

[Shmuel Metz]

In <4875a928993b8266...@mail.hoi-polloi.org>, on
12/22/2012

Not even close. You ask as though your articles had any value.

[Greegor]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/browse_frm/thread/084e0f9581284f13

> In the olden days, we posted (tin, rn, etc.) with our email address in
> the clear, and our place of work, etc.
>
> Nowadays, the nuts out there overwhelm the sensible. Just look at this
> thread for example. It's amazing that someone (probably a fifteen year
> old kid with Aspergers)

Possible but on usenet it's more likely a 50 or 60
year old whose "arrested development" set in when
they were 14. LOTS of Aspies in that age range
were not diagnosed as kids like they are today.

Usenet posters under 30 are fairly rare.
Average age of usenet posters is about 50.

Why would you be so bewildered about the number
of disability cases and their amount of time to post?