Poem (PJR's admission?)
Will Dockery
to feel about actions such as yours, PJR, posting poetry by others without
attribution, and in your case, signing the works as your own, as you did
with the poem in this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/408a9ff9a51c8239
Peter J Ross wrote:
> I called him on that a week ago... he was posting lists copied off a
> webpage without any attributions, and his only defense was prettymuch
> that it isn't copyrighted, so it's okay for him to just copy it whenever
> he feels like.
Which is exactly what you did, and exactly the excuse you gave which you
claim makes it "all right", that the poem wasn't copyrighted:
On Dec 2 2009, 9:44 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Of one that is so fair and bright,
> /Velut maris stella/,
> Brighter than the dayës light,
> /Parens et puella/,
> I cry to thee, thou see to me,
> Lady, pray thy Son for me,
> /Tam pia/,
> That I mote come to thee,
> /Maria/.
>
> Lady, flower of alle thing,
> /Rosa sine spina/,
> Thou beare Jesu, Heavene King,
> /Gratia divina/,
> Of alle thou bearst the prize,
> Lady Queen of Paradise
> /Electa/;
> Maide milde, mother, /es
> Effecta/.
>
> All this world was forlore
> /Eva peccatrice/,
> Till our Lord was ybore
> /De te genetrice/;
> With Ave, it went away,
> Thuster night and cometh the day,
> /Salutis/.
> The well springth out of thee,
> /Virtutis/.
>
> [etc]
>
> Is it a poem?
>
> --
> PJR :-)
--
"Black Crow's Brother" by Will Dockery & Gini Woolfolk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxO1RAYTIFA
Peter J Ross
<shado...@knology.net> wrote:
<...>
> On Dec 2 2009, 9:44 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Of one that is so fair and bright,
<...>
Did I give you my permission to publish an exact copy of my edition of
the text of this anonymous mediaeval carol?
Are you under the mistaken impression that my edition of the text is
in the public domain? Because it fucking IS NOT. I put a lot of
thought into deciding whether or not to indicate that a "silent" vowel
should be pronounced and whether or not semicolons would help to
elucidate the original author's thought. I also left a couple of words
unmodernised because they were untranslatable, IMO.
Therefore, an ignorant wanker like you is NOT permitted to ejaculate
all over my work before running off with it stuffed into a sack marked
"SWAG".
You do *not* want me to do to you what Karla did to Tom Bishop, and
I'd rather not have to do it to you. So stop it, right now.
If I *do* do it to you, remember that I'm not as nice as Karla, and
you'll probably be paying me installments of damages awarded by the
court for the rest of your life, and I'll probably have first claim on
anything you leave after your death too.
So just don't do it. I won't sue you for the thievery you've already
perpetrated, as long as you don't perpetrate any more.
--
PJR :-)
Will Dockery
>
>> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> <...>
>
> Did I give you my permission to publish
I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
with permissions.
George Dance
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> > <...>
>
> > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> with permissions.
Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
credit Benjamin Britten.
http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
Will Dockery
> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> > > <...>
>
> > > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> > I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> > with permissions.
>
> Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
Well, the poem might be worth publishing, after all, to make sure the
actual writer gets proper credit, after PJR's been busily trying to
pass the work off as his own all this time.
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 9:01 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>>
>> > > <...>
>>
>> > > Did I give you my permission to publish
>>
>> > I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
>> > with permissions.
>>
>> Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
>> credit Benjamin Britten.
>>
>> http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> Well, the poem might be worth publishing, after all, to make sure the
> actual writer gets proper credit, after PJR's been busily trying to
> pass the work off as his own all this time.
It says on the Web page "anonymous, 13th century", you mindbogglingly
stupid pair of brainless idiots.
Benjamin Britten *NEITHER WROTE NOR CLAIMED TO HAVE WRITTEN ANY OF THE
WORDS*. Neither did I. End of story.
Peter J Ross
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" <shadowvi...@knology.net> wrote:
>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>>
>> > <...>
>>
>> > Did I give you my permission to publish
>>
>> I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
>> with permissions.
>
> Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
You're weird, Dunce.
What did BB do that I ought to have done?
Will Dockery
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 9:01 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
> >> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> > >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> >> > > <...>
>
> >> > > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> >> > I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> >> > with permissions.
>
> >> Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >>http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> > Well, the poem might be worth publishing, after all, to make sure the
> > actual writer gets proper credit, after PJR's been busily trying to
> > pass the work off as his own all this time.
>
> It says on the Web page "anonymous, 13th century"
While in your repost of the poem you've signed PJR at the bottom of
the piece, thus giving the appearance that you're trying to "pass the
poem off" (as Rik Roots might put it) as your own.
> Benjamin Britten *NEITHER WROTE NOR CLAIMED TO HAVE WRITTEN ANY OF THE
> WORDS*. Neither did I. End of story.
But in your repost of the poem you've signed PJR at the bottom of the
piece, thus giving the appearance that you're trying to "pass the poem
off" (as Rik Roots might put it) as your own.
George Dance
He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
to have done, rather than simply copy his.
Peter J Ross
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
*giggle*
So the spelling, punctuation and formatting of my post were stolen
from BENJAMIN BRITTEN, that well-known editor of mediaeval texts?
Jesus
fuck.
maiden in the moor lay
in the moor lay
seven night full
seven night full
maiden in the moor lay
seven night full
and a day
maiden was a good lay
was a good lay
seven night full
seven night full
maiden was a good lay
seven night full
and a day
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Will Dockery" <shado...@knology.net> wrote in message
news:e460c$4b43c71c$d8baf760$25...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> posting poetry by others
Peter J Ross
Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
Benjamin Britten presumably wrote the tune too:
http://pjr.lasnobberia.net/tmp/maiden.mp3
(Btw, I can't sing. So what?)
George Dance
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:48:13 -0800 (PST),
>
>
>
> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 10:15 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> In rec.arts.poems on Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:01:43 -0800 (PST), George
>
> >> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> > On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" <shadowvi...@knology.net> wrote:
> >> >> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> >> >> > <...>
>
> >> >> > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> >> >> I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> >> >> with permissions.
>
> >> > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >> >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> >> You're weird, Dunce.
>
> >> What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>
> > He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> > on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> > to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>
> *giggle*
>
> So the spelling, punctuation and formatting of my post were stolen
> from BENJAMIN BRITTEN
You did substitute a word from the Oxford text in almost every line,
and change most of the punctuation, to try to pass it off as your own
"modernisation."
Interlinear (Latin omitted)
>Ross
Britten
> Of one that is so fair and bright,
Of one that is so fair and bright
> Brighter than the dayës light,
Brighter than the day is light,
> I cry to thee, thou see to me,
I cry to thee, thou see to me,
> Lady, pray thy Son for me,
Lady, pray thy Son for me
> That I mote come to thee,
That I may come to thee.
> Lady, flower of alle thing,
Lady, flow'r of ev'rything,
> Thou beare Jesu, Heavene King,
Thou bare Jesu, Heaven's King,
> Of alle thou bearst the prize,
Of all thou bear'st the prize,
> Lady Queen of Paradise
Lady, queen of paradise
> Maide milde, mother,
Maid mild, mother
> All this world was forlore
All this world was forlorn
> Till our Lord was ybore
Till our Lord was y-born
> With Ave, it went away,
With ave it went away
> Thuster night and cometh the day,
Darkest night, and comes the day
> The well springth out of thee,
The well springeth out of thee.
Sources:
> http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/fa76bd4f94c9e4a4?hl=en
http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
> , that well-known editor of mediaeval texts?
>
Not as well known as PJ Ross, of course. 8)
Peter J Ross
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
In other words, my edition wasn't much like theirs.
<...>
>> Lady, flower of alle thing,
>
> Lady, flow'r of ev'rything,
Modernisation may be good or bad, but there's nothing modern about
"flow'r" or "ev'ry".
I think my
Lady, flower of alle thing
is more readable than his
Lady, flow'r of ev'rything
and may be more poetical too.
I think I'm a better moderniser than the moderniser BB employed.
Will Dockery
> On Jan 5, 10:15 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >> >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> > >> > <...>
>
> > >> > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> > >> I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> > >> with permissions.
>
> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> > You're weird, Dunce.
>
> > What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>
> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied from Benjamin
Britten.
Try to have your lying allegations make sense.
Will Dockery
>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
>
> >> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> >> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> >> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>
> > Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
> > up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
>
> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied
More a matter of what you've tried to pass off as your own work, PJR.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
>> >> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>>
>> >> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>>
>> >> > What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>>
>> >> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
>> >> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
>> >> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>>
>> > Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
>> > up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
>>
>> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied
>
> More a matter of what you've tried to pass off as your own work, PJR.
And what have I tried to pass off as my own work, Dreckery?
(Apart, of course, from /my own work/, some of which your friend Dunce
bafflingly thinks was created by Benjamin Britten, but which I'll
continue to "pass off as mine", since I wrote it.)
Will Dockery
>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> >> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >> >> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> >> >> > What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>
> >> >> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> >> >> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> >> >> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>
> >> > Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
> >> > up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
>
> >> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied
>
> > More a matter of what you've tried to pass off as your own work, PJR.
>
> And what have I tried to pass off as my own work
Read the thread, PJR.
George Dance
>
> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied from Benjamin
> Britten.
>
It's easier to list what you "modernized" on your own: seven words
dayës
cometh
springth
flower
beare
bearst
maide
and seven commas.
Will Dockery
Damn... that's like Hyper-Houstmanizing.
=z=
>
> - Show quoted text -
hey, george...before win 95 not too many knew what the fuck the
internet was as well...if i mis-spell a word it is usually on
porpoise...want a few more?...
George Dance
> On Jan 11, 7:28 pm, "Will Dockery" <shadowvi...@knology.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 6:54 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 11, 3:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied from Benjamin
> > > > Britten.
>
> > > It's easier to list what you "modernized" on your own: seven words
>
> > > dayës
> > > cometh
> > > springth
> > > flower
> > > beare
> > > bearst
> > > maide
>
> > > and seven commas.
>
> > Damn... that's like Hyper-Houstmanizing.
>
> > --
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> hey, george...before win 95 not too many knew what the fuck the
> internet was as well...
As well as what? I really don't know what you're saying here.
if i mis-spell a word it is usually on
> porpoise...
Do you often, or ever, change the spelling of words in someone else's
work and then claim that you've written your own "version" of the
work, the way PJ has here?
want a few more?...
Only if they help make your point, So far, I can't even see your
point.
=z=
> On Jan 11, 11:55 pm, "=z=" <shull...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 7:28 pm, "Will Dockery" <shadowvi...@knology.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 11, 6:54 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 11, 3:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied from Benjamin
> > > > > Britten.
>
> > > > It's easier to list what you "modernized" on your own: seven words
>
> > > > dayës
> > > > cometh
> > > > springth
> > > > flower
> > > > beare
> > > > bearst
> > > > maide
>
> > > > and seven commas.
>
> > > Damn... that's like Hyper-Houstmanizing.
>
> > > --
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > hey, george...before win 95 not too many knew what the fuck the
> > internet was as well...
>
> As well as what? I really don't know what you're saying here.
>
> if i mis-spell a word it is usually on
>
> > porpoise...
>
> Do you often, or ever, change the spelling of words in someone else's
> work and then claim that you've written your own "version" of the
> work, the way PJ has here?
>
> want a few more?...
>
> Only if they help make your point, So far, I can't even see your
>
> - Show quoted text -
exactly...
Will Dockery
> > >Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied from Benjamin
> > > > > > Britten.
>
> > > > > It's easier to list what you "modernized" on your own: seven words
>
> > > > > dayës
> > > > > cometh
> > > > > springth
> > > > > flower
> > > > > beare
> > > > > bearst
> > > > > maide
>
> > > > > and seven commas.
>
> > > > Damn... that's like Hyper-Houstmanizing.
>
> > > > --
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > hey, george...before win 95 not too many knew what the fuck the
> > > internet was as well...
>
> > As well as what? I really don't know what you're saying here.
>
> > if i mis-spell a word it is usually on
>
> > > porpoise...
>
> > Do you often, or ever, change the spelling of words in someone else's
> > work and then claim that you've written your own "version" of the
> > work, the way PJ has here?
>
> > want a few more?...
>
> > Only if they help make your point, So far, I can't even see your
> > point.
>
The Jefferson Airplane baby, "bless the little pointy head"?
Peter J Ross
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Do you often, or ever, change the spelling of words in someone else's
> work and then claim that you've written your own "version" of the
> work, the way PJ has here?
Do you always, or frequently, lie, Dunce?
Peter J Ross
wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:41:13 -0800 (PST), Will Dockery
> <will.d...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 5, 8:33?pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
>>> >> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>>>
>>> >> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>>>
>>> >> > What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>>>
>>> >> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
>>> >> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
>>> >> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>>>
>>> > Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
>>> > up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
>>>
>>> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied
>>
>>More a matter of what you've tried to pass off as your own work, PJR.
>
> Sorry but that's simply preposterous. PJR doesn't need to pass
> anything off as his work since his work is light years ahead of
> anything you'd understand.
My work and "Janet and John" certainly have that much in common -
they're way beyond Dreckery's little brain!
This is what I posted that the stupid people are babbling about:
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/fa76bd4f94c9e4a4>
I suppose I ought to have specified the origin of the text I quoted,
but at the time of posting I didn't realise anybody would be so stupid
(or more likely, so dishonest) as to think I was the original author.
But it happens that the only people to complain are people who have in
the past been caught stealing word-for-word and comma-for-comma from
authors such as Leonard Cohen, Dale Houstman and Chive Mynde. What a
coincidence!
Will Dockery
>
> I suppose I ought to have specified the origin of the text I quoted,
Yes, it is always a good idea to credit the original author, PJR...
I'm surprised you didn't know that already.
--
"I know that my true friend will appear after my death, and my
sweetheart died before I was born." -Harlan Ellison, Stalking The
Nightmare
Will Dockery
>
> >George Dance
>
> He's a politician, isn't he?
Yes:
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance
George Dance is a politician and political activist in Ontario, Canada. He
has been a member of the Libertarian Party of Canada and the Ontario
Libertarian Party since the mid-1970s, and has served as interim leader of
both parties.
Dance listed his occupation as stock clerk, layout artist, freelance
typesetter and office manager on various occasions between 1979 and 1993. He
has long published The Bulletin, the Ontario Libertarian Party's newsletter.
Like many others in his party, Dance has called for increased privatization
and is an opponent of unionization. He is an opponent of anarchism, and
describes himself as a "proper-government libertarian" (i.e., supporting a
government and recognizes and respects individual liberties). Dance is also
an opponent of restrictions on public smoking.
Dance became leader of the Libertarian Party in 1991, after former leader
Stanislaw Tyminski left Canada to form Party X in Poland. He held this
position until May 1993, when Hilliard Cox was chosen to replace him. Dance
also served as interim leader of the federal party from 1995 to 1996. Note.
Liberatarians are different from Liberals though the name is similar.
Dance has served on the executive of the Ontario Libertarian Party since
1985, and is currently its chairman. He became the party's leader following
the resignation of John Shadbolt on June 9, 1995, and held the position
until Sam Apelbaum was selected at a delegated convention in late 1996. As
party leader, Dance contested a 1996 by-election in York South.
In 1992, Dance indicated that his party might seek an electoral alliance
with the Freedom Party of Ontario. The Freedom Party soon rejected this
suggestion.
[edit] Electoral record
Ontario general election, 1975, Wilson Heights, 366 votes (winner: Vern
Singer, Liberal)
Canadian federal election, 1979, Davenport, 156 votes (winner: Charles
Caccia, Liberal)
Canadian federal election, 1980, York South-Weston, 299 votes (winner:
Ursula Appollini, Liberal)
Canadian federal election, 1984, York-Scarborough, 1,067 votes (winner: W.
Paul McCrossan, Progressive Conservative)
Ontario general election, 1985, Scarborough-Ellesmere, 348 votes (winner:
David William Warner, New Democratic Party)
Ontario general election, 1987, Scarborough Southwest, 485 votes (winner:
Richard Johnston, New Democratic Party)
Canadian federal election, 1988, Brampton, 593 votes (winner: John McDermid,
Progressive Conservative
federal by-election, July 13, 1990, Oshawa, 117 votes (winner: Michael
Breaugh, New Democratic Party)
Ontario general election, 1990, Scarborough West, 401 votes (winner: Anne
Swarbrick, New Democratic Party)
Canadian federal election, 1993, Scarborough Centre, 153 votes (winner: John
Cannis, Liberal)
Ontario general election, 1995, Scarborough West, 214 votes (winner: Jim
Brown, Progressive Conservative)
provincial by-election, May 23, 1996, York South, 77 votes (winner: Gerard
Kennedy, Liberal)
Ontario general election, 2007, Scarborough Southwest, 296 votes (winner:
Lorenzo Berardinetti, Liberal Party)
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Peter J Ross
<fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
> <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:06:23 -0800 (PST), George
>>Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you often, or ever, change the spelling of words in someone else's
>>> work and then claim that you've written your own "version" of the
>>> work, the way PJ has here?
>>
>>Do you always, or frequently, lie, Dunce?
>
> He's a politician, isn't he?
He's a *failed* politician.
> That's like asking, "Does a bear shit in the woods"?
Or "Is the pope a funny-looking old guy who used to be a Nazi?"
Will Dockery
>
How so? Here's the George Dance bio, but there doesn't seem to be any
indication of "failure" in it:
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance
Meat Plow
Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
> <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:06:23 -0800 (PST), George
> >Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Do you often, or ever, change the spelling of words in someone else's
> >> work and then claim that you've written your own "version" of the
> >> work, the way PJ has here?
> >
> >Do you always, or frequently, lie, Dunce?
>
> He's a politician, isn't he?
>
> That's like asking, "Does a bear shit in the woods"?
If a bear shits in the woods and nobody hears it does it really shit in the woods?
Peter J Ross
<shado...@knology.net> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> He's a *failed* politician.
>
> How so? Here's the George Dance bio, but there doesn't seem to be any
> indication of "failure" in it:
>
> http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance
Thanks for the amusing list of a large number of elections that Dunce
has contested and lost with a humiliatingly tiny number of votes.
"In 1992, Dance indicated that his party might seek an electoral
alliance with the Freedom Party of Ontario. The Freedom Party soon
rejected this suggestion."
Heh. Not even a pathetic "freedom party", which has never succeeded in
getting one of its candidates elected, wants to be allied with Dunce.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Party_of_Ontario>
Dunce's skill with politics resembles his skill with words.
Will Dockery
> In rec.arts.poems on Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:02:15 -0500, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> He's a *failed* politician.
>
> > How so? Here's the George Dance bio, but there doesn't seem to be any
> > indication of "failure" in it:
>
> >http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance
>
> has contested and lost with a humiliatingly tiny number of votes.
Well, the Libertarians traditionally never get that many votes...
seems to be a given.
Peter J Ross
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In rec.arts.poems on Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:02:15 -0500, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >> He's a *failed* politician.
>>
>> > How so? Here's the George Dance bio, but there doesn't seem to be any
>> > indication of "failure" in it:
>>
>> >http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance
>>
>> Thanks for the amusing list of a large number of elections that Dance
>> has contested and lost with a humiliatingly tiny number of votes.
>
> Well, the Libertarians traditionally never get that many votes...
> seems to be a given.
Being laughable might have something to do with it.
Will Dockery
>
There you go, PJR, always trying to make the conversation about
yourself.
Peter J Ross
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> laughable
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Will Dockery
>
>
>http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Thanks for reading and commenting.
George Dance
>
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 3:35 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied from Benjamin
> > > Britten.
>
> > It's easier to list what you "modernized" on your own: seven words
>
> > dayës
> > cometh
> > springth
> > flower
> > beare
> > bearst
> > maide
>
> > and seven commas.
>
> Damn... that's like Hyper-Houstmanizing.
>
Heh ... I notice that he's still claiming it's his "work" and he
"wrote it". So to try to put an end to that, I've put his "version"
onto the web, suitably annotated: the text from the 1919 Oxford
version is in black, Britten's changes to it are in blue, and PJ's own
changes are in red.
http://tinyurl.com/petesvirgin
I'm thinking about also putting it up on my blog.
That gives the reader a chance to see what's original in his "version"
and what isn't, rather than take his or anyone else's word for it.
"Show, don't tell," as the cliche puts it.
tx_max_king
> That gives the reader a chance to see what's original in his "version"
> and what isn't, rather than take his or anyone else's word for it.
> "Show, don't tell," as the cliche puts it.
He's still thieving classical writers.
Rewriting their works and then trying to pass
it off as his own.
Unlike translations which actually are a
literary art. Interpretive, but accepted as
literary work.
Lady Azure, Baroness'O'D'Northpole
Kinda like the difference between the Orthodox of the "Gods", and the New
Way of the "Titans".
�
not ggamble
Well, there's a difference of substance as well as fashion. In a
translation from another language, you have to translate every word;
and it's possible to translate a foreign word into any of its English
synonyms (any of them would be equally right), which is why there can
be so many different English translations of one foreign-language
poem. So a translation would meet the requirements for being an
original work.
But 'modernizing' a Middle English poem is different. For one thing,
at least half of the words don't have to be touched, as they're the
same in both Middle and Modern English. Then, all the other words are
still in Modern English even though they've varied; 'translation' is
simply a matter of finding the Modern English one (in an online
dictionary or whatever) and substituting it. There's no rewriting
involved, except in the rare cases where a word's changed enough that
you lose the meter or rhyme (but that's not the case for PJ's Hymn to
the Virgin). So there's very little originality involved, and if
there's not enough of that, the work can't be copyrighted. PJ may have
worked hard, but he didn't create enough.
A modernization can involve enough creative work to be copyrightable.
Someone who translated The Canterbury Tales into modern English would
have to have passed the 'originality' threshhold by the second or
third Tale. At the other extreme are short works like Shakespeare's
sonnets, which get posted around the poetry groups so often: those
are treated as public domain in their modern English versions -- no
one ever asks or gets permission to post them from anyone -- and in
most cases the "modernizer" isn't even mentioned.