Poem?
Peter J Ross
/Velut maris stella/,
Brighter than the dayës light,
/Parens et puella/,
I cry to thee, thou see to me,
Lady, pray thy Son for me,
/Tam pia/,
That I mote come to thee,
/Maria/.
Lady, flower of alle thing,
/Rosa sine spina/,
Thou beare Jesu, Heavene King,
/Gratia divina/,
Of alle thou bearst the prize,
Lady Queen of Paradise
/Electa/;
Maide milde, mother, /es
Effecta/.
All this world was forlore
/Eva peccatrice/,
Till our Lord was ybore
/De te genetrice/;
With Ave, it went away,
Thuster night and cometh the day,
/Salutis/.
The well springth out of thee,
/Virtutis/.
[etc]
Is it a poem?
--
PJR :-)
tx_max_king
self-gratuitous rhetoric
Rob Evans
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And, since the music feels to be present, why not a carol also?
Rob
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Sure, but why not credit the poet you stole it from?
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tx_max_king
It was evident he lifted it, Cythera.
Peewee is nowhere near that literate.
And neither his olde english nor his french
are par.
But biting the bait you gave us the
author which the adoloscent Peewee
left out . . . wanting to seem shrewd
but actually being idocia grandese.
Will Dockery
>
> It was evident he lifted it, Cythera.
> Peewee is nowhere near that literate.
> And neither his olde english nor his french
> are par.
> But biting the bait you gave us the
> author which the adoloscent Peewee
> left out . . . wanting to seem shrewd
> but actually being idocia grandese.
Cythera's too busy with her bubbleheaded blubbering about the poem
being so "intelligent & good" to worry about the fact that PJR tried
to pass the poem off as his own.
Karla
wrote:
>Of one that is so fair and bright,
> /Velut maris stella/,
>Brighter than the day�s light,
What a weird question.
Pina Colada
> On Dec 3, 6:25 pm, tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 3, 3:03 am, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 3, 12:40 am, tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 2, 8:44 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>>>>> /Velut maris stella/,
After Sodom comes the bottom.
Peter J Ross
<txmx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is that a yes or a no?
Peter J Ross
<txmx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's number five in the Faber Book of Mediaeval English Lyrics. It's
famous, Max. You might as well accuse me of "lifting" a passage from
Shakespeare or the Bible. (Or, to mention authors you've read, Ann
Coulter or William F Buckley.)
> Peewee is nowhere near that literate.
> And neither his olde english nor his french
> are par.
> But biting the bait you gave us the
> author which the adoloscent Peewee
> left out . . . wanting to seem shrewd
> but actually being idocia grandese.
Try to have your envy make sense.
Peter J Ross
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not fuck off, ignoramus?
Peter J Ross
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the fact that PJR tried
> to pass the poem off as his own.
Jesus
Fuck.
Only you or Dunce would mistake a popular 13th-century song (which
might be a poem as well as a song) for the kind of thing I'd try to
pass off as my own for no better reason than that I wrote it.
Jesus.
Fuck.
(Don't forget to accuse me of plagiarism for quoting gg without
attribution.)
Will Dockery
See you when you get back, then, thief.
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Peter J Ross
<kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 02:44:55 +0000, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>Of one that is so fair and bright,
>> /Velut maris stella/,
>>Brighter than the dayës light,
Is it a set of song lyrics or is it a poem? Or is it a failure at
both?
Will Dockery
>
> the fact that PJR tried
> > to pass the poem off as his own.
>
> Jesus
> Fuck.
>
That's not the point, PJR... the point is that you're claiming credit
on Usenet for writing this popular 13th-century song by leaving the
attribution off.
I'm working on a new one called "Golden Slumbers", btw... heh.
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tx_max_king
> It's number five in the Faber Book of Mediaeval English Lyrics.
It's
> famous, Max. You might as well accuse me of "lifting" a passage from
> Shakespeare or the Bible. (Or, to mention authors you've read, Ann
> Coulter or William F Buckley.)
Never read Coulter or Buckley, Peewee.
Unlike you though, when I quote a passage from
another poet, artist or writer, I always include the
name of the work and the author who wrote it.
It's called literary courtesy and it's also the proper
thing to do. Being Brit, you do understand 'proper' don't you?
If you don't, one might conclude you are trying to claim it as your
own.
Of course we all know better don't we?
(have you read your Saul Alinsky today?)
tx_max_king
> Jesus
> Fuck.
> Jesus.
> Fuck.
>
> (Don't forget to accuse me of plagiarism for quoting gg without
> attribution.)
We don't have to.
It's a clear case of two morons with the same shtick.
George Dance
> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:39:12 -0800 (PST), Will
>
> > the fact that PJR tried
> > to pass the poem off as his own.
>
> Jesus
> Fuck.
>
> Only you or Dunce would mistake a popular 13th-century song (which
> might be a poem as well as a song) for the kind of thing I'd try to
> pass off as my own for no better reason than that I wrote it.
>
I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
plagiarist as I am.
> Jesus.
> Fuck.
>
Aw, don't be said. There's always "pedophile" and "racist," right?
Will Dockery
> On Dec 8, 4:22 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > the fact that PJR tried
> > > to pass the poem off as his own.
Just saying PJR didn't write the poem, and left attribution to the
poet, which by the Rik Roots argument PJR himself agreed to when it
suited his agenda, meant that by signing his name to the poem (and
posting it as the "author" on Usenet), he can be seen as "passing the
poem off as his own" when seen by the "casual reader."
A famous example of this is the recently discussed "Golden Slumbers",
which Lennon & McCartney took credit for writing, yet used the poem by
Thomas Dekker, without credit, word-for-word except for two changes:
http://www.drnaiman.com/poetry/golden-slumbers
and
Wanton Plagiarism?
Few Beatles fans, a reader wrote to the Globe and Mail in 2003,
"wouldn't recognize the words 'Golden slumbers kiss your eyes / Smiles
awake you when you rise / Sleep pretty darling, do not cry / And I
will sing a lullaby.' They are from the song 'Golden Slumbers' on the
Abbey Road album. But, change the word 'darling' to 'wantons' and the
words are lifted intact from a poem by Thomas Dekker. [He] died some
time in the mid-1600s, [so] I'm sure the legal copyright had long
expired, but I always felt a little different about the Beatles after
I stumbled upon this bit of poetry 20 years ago."
Lennon, John (1940-1980) British musician [noted for his work with the
Beatles, as well as such solo recordings as John Lennon (1970),
Imagine (1971), Mind Games (1973), Walls and Bridges (1974), Shaved
Fish (1975), and Rock 'n' Roll (1975)]
[Sources: Globe and Mail; Rolling Stone, 1983]
> > Jesus
> > Fuck.
>
> > Only you or Dance would mistake a popular 13th-century song (which
> > might be a poem as well as a song) for the kind of thing I'd try to
> > pass off as my own for no better reason than that I wrote it.
>
> I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
> accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
> though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
> plagiarist as I am.
>
> > Jesus.
> > Fuck.
>
> Aw, don't be said. There's always "pedophile" and "racist," right?
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Rob Evans
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> Jesus
> Fuck.
After your recent devastating critique of Chaucer (who knew there'd be
anyone dumb enough to fall for it?), I'm surprised you can even bother to
chastise the lowly contributors to newsgroups. Save your ignorance for the
big time.
Rob
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"George Dance" <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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On Dec 8, 4:22 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:39:12 -0800 (PST), Will
>
> Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > the fact that PJR tried
> > to pass the poem off as his own.
>
> Jesus
> Fuck.
>
> Only you or Dunce would mistake a popular 13th-century song (which
> might be a poem as well as a song) for the kind of thing I'd try to
> pass off as my own for no better reason than that I wrote it.
>
I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
plagiarist as I am.
Neither of you are plagiarists. You were both playing the same fishing
trick. The difference is that your opponents on the newsgroups are
generally literate and your "buddies" are generally not. Hence, your
failure and PJR's success.
Will Dockery
>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Jesus
> > Fuck.
> > Jesus.
> > Fuck.
>
> > (Don't forget to accuse me of plagiarism for quoting gg without
> > attribution.)
>
> We don't have to.
> It's a clear case of two morons with the same shtick.
PJR & ggamble?
"We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
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Will Dockery
> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
> accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
> though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
> plagiarist as I am.
>
> Neither of you are plagiarists.
"We know", but Rik Roots obviously wouldn't agree, to give one
example.
Rik would point out that the "casual reader who chanced upon the post
would naturally assume that the person making the post is the author
of the post."
By not giving attribution to the writer of the poem, or any written
material for that matter, the person making the post is either
conciously or unconciously (in Rik's words) "attempting to pass the
poem off as his own."
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Peter J Ross
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 4:22 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:39:12 -0800 (PST), Will
>>
>> Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > the fact that PJR tried
>> > to pass the poem off as his own.
>>
>> Jesus
>> Fuck.
>>
>> Only you or Dunce would mistake a popular 13th-century song (which
>> might be a poem as well as a song) for the kind of thing I'd try to
>> pass off as my own for no better reason than that I wrote it.
>>
>
> I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
> accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
You attempted to pass Leonard Cohen's words off as your own. You
thought nobody would recognise it.
I did not attempt to pass a famous mediaeval carol off as my own. I
thought everybody would recognise it.
That's the difference between you and me.
You: a thief
Me: not a thief
"And that has made all the difference."
Anyway, let's return to the topic: It's a beautiful carol, but is it a
poem?
tx_max_king
> Rob "Mushmouth" Evans" <misogynist-p...@drool.com> wrote:
>
> > "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> > I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
> > accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
> > though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
> > plagiarist as I am.
>
> > Neither of you are plagiarists.
>
> "We know", but Rik Roots obviously wouldn't agree, to give one
> example.
>
> Rik would point out that the "casual reader who chanced upon the post
> would naturally assume that the person making the post is the author
> of the post."
>
> By not giving attribution to the writer of the poem, or any written
> material for that matter, the person making the post is either
> conciously or unconciously (in Rik's words) "attempting to pass the
> poem off as his own."
I agree with Rik. Posting something written by another
writer without attribution is the same as stealing it.
It's the same respect any writer would expect of their work
being republished.
Peter J Ross
<po...@sky.com> wrote:
> Neither of you are plagiarists. You were both playing the same fishing
> trick. The difference is that your opponents on the newsgroups are
> generally literate and your "buddies" are generally not. Hence, your
> failure and PJR's success.
I wasn't fishing.
It worries me that you can't tell the difference between Dunce's
self-aggrandising plagiarism and my attempt to encourage people to
read mediaeval verse.
As it happens, I modernised a lot of the spelling and adjusted a lot
of the punctuation according to my own ideas about how to make
mediaeval verse easy to read, so I probably own the copyright in the
posted version.
tx_max_king
It's interpretive, Peter. So your question holds little validity.
In terms of poetry, it is rhyming.
So it can be considered poetry.
The fact that it is in two different languages is
inconsequential.
Poetry is not a technical, structured, scientific concept.
It is an idealistic, interpretive representation of
language and communication.
Poetry comes in many forms.
Will Dockery
> On Dec 14, 5:28 am, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Rob "Mushmouth" Evans" <misogynist-poet @drool.com> wrote:
>
> > > "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> > > I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
> > > accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
> > > though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
> > > plagiarist as I am.
>
> > > Neither of you are plagiarists.
>
> > "We know", but Rik Roots obviously wouldn't agree, to give one
> > example.
>
> > Rik would point out that the "casual reader who chanced upon the post
> > would naturally assume that the person making the post is the author
> > of the post."
>
> > By not giving attribution to the writer of the poem, or any written
> > material for that matter, the person making the post is either
> > conciously or unconciously (in Rik's words) "attempting to pass the
> > poem off as his own."
>
> I agree with Rik. Posting something written by another
> writer without attribution is the same as stealing it.
> It's the same respect any writer would expect of their work
> being republished.
Seems fair, whether the poet is living or dead, or if the work is
public domain or copyrighted.
As Keith Richards said: "Spell my name right."
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Will Dockery
>
> You attempted to pass Leonard Cohen's words off as your own.
And you, Peter J Ross, attempted to pass an obscure 13th Century verse
off as yours, then, right? Since you did exactly the same thing?
Funny how things like this can come back to bite you on the ass, eh,
PJR?
"We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
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Rob Evans
> Rob "Mushmouth" Evans <whistle...@misogynist.com> wrote:
>>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > Jesus
>> > Fuck.
>> > Jesus.
>> > Fuck.
>>
>> > (Don't forget to accuse me of plagiarism for quoting gg without
>> > attribution.)
>>
>> We don't have to.
>> It's a clear case of two morons with the same shtick.
>
> PJR & ggamble?
>
> "We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
>
Now, five things for you to remember:
1) It's not my fault you scribble unspeakable shit and call it poetry.
2) It's not my fault that you gargle (off-key) your unspeakable shit to a
non-paying audience of drunks and call it song.
3) It's not my fault that you dislike independent intelligent women almost
as much as they despise you.
4) Don't forget that when we're 20 posts down-thread from here that you can
start whining that I "sniffed you" first.
5) It is entirely your fault that you're an untalented, narcissistic,
two-faced hopeless wanker.
Snip away, this will paste back in.
Rob Evans
"our resident king dumbass sniffs...
> Rob "Mushmouth" Evans" <misogyn...@drool.com> wrote:
>> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
>> accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
>> though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
>> plagiarist as I am.
>>
>> Neither of you are plagiarists.
>
> "We know", but Rik Roots obviously wouldn't agree, to give one
> example.
>
Yeah, yeah, now, five things for you to remember:
1) It's not my fault you scribble unspeakable shit and call it poetry.
2) It's not my fault that you gargle (off-key) your unspeakable shit to a
non-paying audience of drunks and call it song.
3) It's not my fault that you dislike independent intelligent women almost
as much as they despise you.
4) Don't forget that when we're 20 posts down-thread from here that you can
start whining that I "sniffed you" first.
5) It is entirely your fault that you're an untalented, narcissistic,
two-faced hopeless wanker.
Snip away, this will paste back in.
Rob
Will Dockery
"Rob Evans" <mush...@drooler.com> wrote in message
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>Will Dockery wrote:
>> Rob "Mushmouth" Evans <whistle...@misogynist.com> wrote:
>>>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Jesus
>>> > Fuck.
>>> > Jesus.
>>> > Fuck.
>>>
>>> > (Don't forget to accuse me of plagiarism for quoting gg without
>>> > attribution.)
>>>
>>> We don't have to.
>>> It's a clear case of two morons with the same shtick.
>>
>> PJR & ggamble?
>>
>> "We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
>>
That you're a senile, hypocritical, gunknouthed old drooler?
You make it impossible to forget that, Mushmouth.
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Will Dockery
"Rob Evans", senile drooler, wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> Rob "Mushmouth" Evans" <misogyn...@drool.com> wrote:
>>> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>
>>> I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
>>> accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
>>> though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
>>> plagiarist as I am.
>>>
>>> Neither of you are plagiarists.
>>
>> "We know", but Rik Roots obviously wouldn't agree, to give one
>> example.
>>
> Yeah, yeah
Glad you agree, Mushmouth... perhaps you're not completely senile after all.
Now keep sniffing and drooling, old crone. You know you can stop yourself.
Will Dockery
>
> you dislike independent intelligent women
Glad you repeated that lie again, Mushmouth, since I happen to have the
truth right here to set the reord straight. Continue the lie, and that will
provide me with the opportunity to continue to rebuke you with the truth:
Assertive, intelligent "woman" that I like & like working with me, I can
name three off the top of my head who I've collaborated with during 2009,
Mushmouth:
"Black Crow's Brother" by Will Dockery & Gini Woolfolk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxO1RAYTIFA
"Red Lipped Stranger":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144
"She Sleeps Tight" with Sandy Madaris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
"Waking Up Now":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8_Yp-dIPCY
"Under The Radar" with Eileen d'Esterno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEQDFMNcgLA
Meanwhile, you don't seem to have written anything at all during 2009,
unless you consider your drooling & sniffing behind my posts "writing",
Mushmouth.
And, Rob Evans, your attitude towards female poets here over the years is
fully documented, you gunkmouthed, whistle-lisping old misogynist.
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tx_max_king
> It worries me that you can't tell the difference between Dunce's
> self-aggrandising plagiarism and my attempt to encourage people to
> read mediaeval verse.
>
> As it happens, I modernised a lot of the spelling and adjusted a lot
> of the punctuation according to my own ideas about how to make
> mediaeval verse easy to read,
> so I probably own the copyright in the
> posted version.
You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
You whore a slection written by another writer
and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
his work?
You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
Jesus H. Christmas.
C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
=z=
...and as i was talking to my x girlfriend the other day and when she
asked me why i still loved her and I told her that it was because she
swallowed, and then she got really bent and told me she hadn't had sex
for months...damn i love her still…
Will Dockery
Reminds me of an old Lenny Bruce routine...
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Peter J Ross
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> You attempted to pass Leonard Cohen's words off as your own.
>
> And you, Peter J Ross, attempted to pass an obscure 13th Century verse
> off as yours, then, right? Since you did exactly the same thing?
The difference is that the things I allege happened, while the things
you allege didn't happen.
There's a reason why I didn't attribute the text I quoted (and
somewhat adapted) to an author. Can you guess what that reason is?
Peter J Ross
tx_max_king <txmx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ooh look! Max the Racist Clown is upset!
Nevertheless, if the carol is quoted in future with the various
specific modernisations I used, I'll expect a credit as editor.
Will Dockery
>
> There's a reason why I didn't attribute the text I quoted
"We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
--
Will Dockery
>>Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> >> so I probably own the copyright in the
> >> posted version.
>
> > You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
> > You whore a slection written by another writer
> > and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
> > his work?
> > You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
> > Jesus H. Christmas.
>
> > C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
> > swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
<snipped for focus>
> I'll expect a credit
Yet you didn't credit the writer of the poem, PJR... interesting (and
not good).
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Peter J Ross wrote:
>>
>> >> so I probably own the copyright in the
>> >> posted version.
>>
>> > You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
>> > You whore a slection written by another writer
>> > and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
>> > his work?
>> > You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
>> > Jesus H. Christmas.
>>
>> > C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
>> > swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
>
> <snipped for focus>
>
>> I'll expect a credit
>
> Yet you didn't credit the writer of the poem, PJR... interesting (and
> not good).
Please assist my failing memory: what was the author's name?
Will Dockery
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> >> >> so I probably own the copyright in the
> >> >> posted version.
>
> >> > You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
> >> > You whore a slection written by another writer
> >> > and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
> >> > his work?
> >> > You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
> >> > Jesus H. Christmas.
>
> >> > C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
> >> > swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
>
> > <snipped for focus>
>
> >> I'll expect a credit
>
> > Yet you didn't credit the writer of the poem, PJR... interesting (and
> > not good).
>
> Please assist my failing memory: what was the author's name?
"Look it up." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> >> tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>Peter J Ross wrote:
>>
>> >> >> so I probably own the copyright in the
>> >> >> posted version.
>>
>> >> > You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
>> >> > You whore a slection written by another writer
>> >> > and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
>> >> > his work?
>> >> > You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
>> >> > Jesus H. Christmas.
>>
>> >> > C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
>> >> > swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
>>
>> > <snipped for focus>
>>
>> >> I'll expect a credit
>>
>> > Yet you didn't credit the writer of the poem, PJR... interesting (and
>> > not good).
>>
>> Please assist my failing memory: what was the author's name?
>
> "Look it up." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
I wasn't aware he was even born at the time.
George Dance
> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:14:54 -0800 (PST), George
>
>
>
> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Dec 8, 4:22 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:39:12 -0800 (PST), Will
>
> >> Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > the fact that PJR tried
> >> > to pass the poem off as his own.
>
> >> Jesus
> >> Fuck.
>
> >> Only you or Dunce would mistake a popular 13th-century song (which
> >> might be a poem as well as a song) for the kind of thing I'd try to
> >> pass off as my own for no better reason than that I wrote it.
>
> > I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
> > accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
>
> You attempted to pass Leonard Cohen's words off as your own.
Then you attempted to pass this anonymous author's words off as your
own, since you did the very same thing with them.
> You
> thought nobody would recognise it.
Now, don't bullshit, Peter. I never said that.
>
> I did not attempt to pass a famous mediaeval carol off as my own.
You posted it without attribution. That makes you a plagiarist, by
your own Rosslogic.
>I thought everybody would recognise it.
>
Then you're even more of a fool than I thought. Why would you think
"everybody" would have read or heard it before?
> That's the difference between you and me.
>
> You:
not a bullshitter or a fool.
> Me:
a bullshitter and a fool.
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> Please assist my failing memory: what was the author's name?
>
>> "Look it up." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
>
> I wasn't aware he was even born at the time.
Well, look that up, too:
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Dennis_M._Hammes
"...Dennis M. Hammes, born April 8 1945, died December 23 2008, was an
American Poet and author of Scrawlmarks, the online poetry manual. He
was known mainly as a regular contributor to the Usenet newsgroups
alt.arts.poetry.comments and rec.arts.poems..."
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
Will Dockery
>
> So fucking what? Are you his gay lover or what?
I take it you're not familiar with the poetry and life of Dennis M.
Hammes, Burke?
"Look it up." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
--
Peter J Ross
tx_max_king <txmx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> little validity
Next time you Texans build a town for you to lynch people who look a
bit funny in, you should remember that you've already invented a name
for it.
"Little Validity, TX." I like it.
Peter J Ross
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 11:27 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:14:54 -0800 (PST), George
>>
>>
>>
>> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> > On Dec 8, 4:22 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> >> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:39:12 -0800 (PST), Will
>>
>> >> Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > the fact that PJR tried
>> >> > to pass the poem off as his own.
>>
>> >> Jesus
>> >> Fuck.
>>
>> >> Only you or Dunce would mistake a popular 13th-century song (which
>> >> might be a poem as well as a song) for the kind of thing I'd try to
>> >> pass off as my own for no better reason than that I wrote it.
>>
>> > I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
>> > accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
>>
>> You attempted to pass Leonard Cohen's words off as your own.
>
> Then you attempted to pass this anonymous author's words off as your
> own, since you did the very same thing with them.
As it happens, no, I didn't do "the very same thing" with the carol I
posted. I did not steal it and pretend that I wrote it.
>> You
>> thought nobody would recognise it.
>
> Now, don't bullshit, Peter. I never said that.
What you said is unimportant, since what you say is usually a pack of
lies. What you *thought* is what I was talking about, and the thoughts
of stupid people (such as you) are often easy to work out.
You thought nobody would recognise the words you stole.
If you deny it, sue me, and see how stealing Leonard Cohen's words
plays out for you in court.
>> I did not attempt to pass a famous mediaeval carol off as my own.
>
> You posted it without attribution. That makes you a plagiarist, by
> your own Rosslogic.
Nope. Try again, plagiarist. I did not post it as a purported revision
of one of my own poems, which is what you did when you stole from
Leonard Cohen. I posted it as what it is - an early mediaeval carol
that might well count as a real poem.
I'd be flattered that you thought me capable of such a skilful
pastiche of mediaeval technique, if I thought you knew what "pastiche"
meant.
And, btw, the copyright of the "edition" of the carol that I posted is
still owned by me.
Will Dockery
>
> little validity
>
> Next time you Texans build a town for you to lynch people
"Try to have your insults make sense." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
--
"Ashes to Justice", vocals by Will Dockery & Sandy Madaris, guitars by
Brian Mallard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzwD5-UI0p4
Will Dockery
>
> I did not steal it and pretend that I wrote it.
You posted it without attribution to the writer, which Rick Roots
would call "passing the work off as your own.", since your name
appeared as the 'author" of the work.
George Dance
> In rec.arts.poems on Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:10:07 -0800 (PST), George
>
>
>
> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Dec 14, 11:27 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:14:54 -0800 (PST), George
>
> >> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> > On Dec 8, 4:22 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> In rec.arts.poems on Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:39:12 -0800 (PST), Will
>
> >> >> Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > the fact that PJR tried
> >> >> > to pass the poem off as his own.
>
> >> >> Jesus
> >> >> Fuck.
>
> >> >> Only you or Dunce would mistake a popular 13th-century song (which
> >> >> might be a poem as well as a song) for the kind of thing I'd try to
> >> >> pass off as my own for no better reason than that I wrote it.
>
> >> > I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
> >> > accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
>
> >> You attempted to pass Leonard Cohen's words off as your own.
>
> > Then you attempted to pass this anonymous author's words off as your
> > own, since you did the very same thing with them.
>
> As it happens, no, I didn't do "the very same thing" with the carol I
> posted.
You didn't post it without attribution? But you just admitted you made
the post; and there's no attribution, just your name and initials.
http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/fa76bd4f94c9e4a4?hl=en
> I did not steal it and pretend that I wrote it.
>
Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. I can't read your mind.
> >> You
> >> thought nobody would recognise it.
>
> > Now, don't bullshit, Peter. I never said that.
>
> What you said is unimportant, since what you say is usually a pack of
> lies.
IKYABWAI is the best you can do here?
> What you *thought* is what I was talking about
Then (since you're not going by what I've said) you've got absolutely
no evidence of what I "thought." As I said, you're starting to
bullshit.
> , and the thoughts
> of stupid people (such as you) are often easy to work out.
>
The fact you can "work out" your own thoughts does not imply that you
can "work out" the thoughts of all stupid people, you know.
> You thought nobody would recognise the words you stole.
>
> If you deny it, sue me, and see how stealing Leonard Cohen's words
> plays out for you in court.
Why should I do that, when you've already been talking about having
Cohen sue me (remember?)? There's no need for two trials, is there?
> >> I did not attempt to pass a famous mediaeval carol off as my own.
>
> > You posted it without attribution. That makes you a plagiarist, by
> > your own Rosslogic.
>
> Nope.
Sure it does. All the known facts are identical. The only difference
between us is: You did it when (based on what you'd said previously)
you believed it was plagiarism. I didn't, and still don't.
> Try again, plagiarist. I did not post it as a purported revision
> of one of my own poems
So? How would trying to pass it off as a new work of yours make your
action any less plagiarism?
> , which is what you did
Oh? Who said Summer Haiku was a purported revision of one of my
poems?
> when you stole from
> Leonard Cohen.
You mean, when I quoted his poem without attribution.
> I posted it as what it is - an early mediaeval carol
That's easily shown to be more bullshit. Here's that link again:
http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/fa76bd4f94c9e4a4?hl=en
You said nothing about it being medieval or a carol.
Will Dockery
>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
<snipped for clarity>
> > > Then you attempted to pass this anonymous author's words off as your
> > > own, since you did the very same thing with them.
>
> You didn't post it without attribution? But you just admitted you made
> the post; and there's no attribution, just your name and initials.
>
> http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/fa76bd4f94c9e4a4?hl=en
>
> > I did not steal it and pretend that I wrote it.
>
> > > You posted it without attribution. That makes you a plagiarist, by
> > > your own Rosslogic.
<snip>
> That's easily shown to be more bullshit. Here's that link again:
>
> http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/fa76bd4f94c9e4a4?hl=en
>
> You said nothing about it being medieval or a carol.
PJR just signed it top-to-bottom, leading the casual reader to assume
it was written by him. As you wrote, since neither of us are mind
readers (and the only mind reader on the newsgroups hasn't posted on
this thread), there's no way to know if this was intentional or not,
but this is exactly what Rik Roots raised such a fuss about a couple
of years ago, calling this sort of thing, posting a poem written by
someone else without attribution, which looks like an attempt to "pass
the poem off as his own", plagiarism, intentional or unintentional.
Which PJR loudly agreed to at the time.
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
news:f480a2fe-a673-421e...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Who gives a shit?
Peter J Ross
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I did not steal it and pretend that I wrote it.
>
> You posted it without attribution to the writer, which Rick Roots
> would call "passing the work off as your own.", since your name
> appeared as the 'author" of the work.
Who is Rick Roots, moron?
Peter J Ross
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
<...>
It's Christmas Eve. I have better things to do than argue with
intellectually challenged plagiarists.
A very merry Christmas to the large majority of RAP readers and
posters who aren't intellectually challenged plagiarists!
Will Dockery
>
> > You posted it without attribution to the writer, which Rick Roots
> > would call "passing the work off as your own.", since your name
> > appeared as the 'author" of the work.
>
> Who is Rick Roots,
Rick's one of those Englishter poets who pops up around here from time-
to-time, usually to whine about something or other... and always very
loudly when someone like you posts a poem without attributing the
writer, which he sees as "attempting to pass off" the poem as your
own, PJR.
You seem to be having memory problems, since you once agreed with him
when someone else did it.
> moron?
Rick's kinda silly but I wouldn't call him a moron.
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > You posted it without attribution to the writer, which Rick Roots
>> > would call "passing the work off as your own.", since your name
>> > appeared as the 'author" of the work.
>>
>> Who is Rick Roots,
>
> Rick's one of those Englishter poets
*whoooooooosh*!!!!!
<...>
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> > You posted it without attribution to the writer, which Rick Roots
> >> > would call "passing the work off as your own.", since your name
> >> > appeared as the 'author" of the work.
>
> >> Who is Rick Roots,
>
> > Rick's one of those Englishter poets
<slap>
You accidentally snipped the rest of my post, Pete:
Will Dockery
>
> plagiarists.
Besides yourself?
> plagiarists!
Admission noted?
George Dance
> In rec.arts.poems on Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:08:15 -0800 (PST),George
>
>
> <...>
>
> It's Christmas Eve. I have better things to do than argue with
> intellectually challenged plagiarists.
>
So did I. Don't worry, though; this won't go away.
> A very merry Christmas to the large majority of RAP readers and
> posters who aren't intellectually challenged plagiarists!
>
The same to you, and a Happy New Year as well.
Rob Evans
>>>>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Jesus
>>>> > Fuck.
>>>> > Jesus.
>>>> > Fuck.
>>>>
>>>> > (Don't forget to accuse me of plagiarism for quoting gg without
>>>> > attribution.)
>>>>
>>>> We don't have to.
>>>> It's a clear case of two morons with the same shtick.
>>>
>>> PJR & ggamble?
>>>
>>> "We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
>>>
>> remember:
>
> That you're a senile, hypocritical, gunknouthed old drooler?
>
Love the way you desperately need to add the adjectives.
Now,
1) It's not my fault you scribble unspeakable shit and call it poetry.
2) It's not my fault that you gargle (off-key) your unspeakable shit to a
non-paying audience of drunks and call it song.
3) It's not my fault that you dislike independent intelligent women almost
as much as they despise you.
4) Don't forget that when we're 20 posts down-thread from here that you can
start whining that I "sniffed you" first.
5) It is entirely your fault that you're an untalented, narcissistic,
two-faced hopeless wanker.
Snip away, this will paste back in.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
-----------
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I reach for 45-calibre pearls
--
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Rob Evans
>>> Rob "Mushmouth" Evans" <misogyn...@drool.com> wrote:
>>>> "George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
>>>> accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
>>>> though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
>>>> plagiarist as I am.
>>>>
>>>> Neither of you are plagiarists.
>>>
>>> "We know", but Rik Roots obviously wouldn't agree, to give one
>>> example.
>>>
>> Yeah, yeah
>
> Glad you agree,
That there are 5 things for you to remember:
Rob Evans
"tx_max_king" <txmx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2a438918-e765-4018...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> peewee poops potpourri:
>
> > It worries me that you can't tell the difference between Dunce's
>> self-aggrandising plagiarism and my attempt to encourage people to
>> read mediaeval verse.
>>
>> As it happens, I modernised a lot of the spelling and adjusted a lot
>> of the punctuation according to my own ideas about how to make
>> mediaeval verse easy to read,
>
>> so I probably own the copyright in the
>> posted version.
>
> You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
> You whore a slection written by another writer
> and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
> his work?
> You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
> Jesus H. Christmas.
>
> C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
> swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
>
And in your very first response, you were rude about it because you thought
it was PJR's and were too dumb to recognise (or even suspect) its
provenance.
Do keep spluttering to cover this, stupid.
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>>"George Dance" <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>
> >>>> I don't think it's any more "popular" than the Leonard Cohen poem you
> >>>> accused me of plagiarising simply because I left the attribution off,
> >>>> though; so that doesn't obviate the fact that you're just as much a
> >>>> plagiarist as I am.
>
> >>>> Neither of you are plagiarists.
>
> >>> "We know", but Rik Roots obviously wouldn't agree, to give one
> >>> example.
<Mushmouthed droolsnip>
> 3) It's not my fault that you dislike independent intelligent women
Assertive, intelligent women that I like & like working with me, I can
name three off the top of my head who I've collaborated with during
2009, Mushmouth:
"Black Crow's Brother" by Will Dockery & Gini Woolfolk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxO1RAYTIFA
"Red Lipped Stranger":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144
"She Sleeps Tight" with Sandy Madaris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
"Waking Up Now":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8_Yp-dIPCY
"Under The Radar" with Eileen d'Esterno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEQDFMNcgLA
Meanwhile, you don't seem to have written anything at all during 2009,
unless you consider your drooling & sniffing behind my posts
"writing", Mushmouth.
And, Rob Evans, your attitude towards female poets here over the years
is fully documented, you gunkmouthed, whistle-lisping old misogynist.
--
New poetry & music recordings by Will Dockery
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Will Dockery
>
> Love the way
You must love it the way you keep returning to drool and sniff behind
me, Mushmouth.
> It's not my fault that you don't like assertive intelligent woman
Since you've repeatedly labelled women "dipstick", "arsehole", "bitch"
and other nasty, misogynistic terms, Mushmouth, you appear to be
projecting your own dislike of "woman", as you put it.
You have, in public, broadcasted your hate constantly on Usenet for a
number of years, Mushmouth, as the examples of your sexual harrassment
and persecution of female poets that are archived prove. Sharon
McElroy, Vera, Pandora, Angel... you seem to have been there for all
of the sleaze slinging.
You are truly a hypocrite (as well as a misogynist), Mushmouth. I've
seen your vicious misogyny archived here over the years, in fact, you
even seek women out to attack them: Vera, Pandora, Sharon McElroy, to
name a few... do you admit that by your logic you must be a
misogynist, Mushmouth? You've called them "dipsticks", and did refer
to Sharon as a "bitch" at least once, while a couple of your friends
have used that term repeatedly against Vera, among others. Vera was
called a "crazy old bitch" and a "loathesome bitch" literally dozens
of times, with your smirking approval, Mushmouth.
You attacked Sharon McElroy personally in the earlier post, in which
you called her a "dipstick", which turns out to be something you
called her often on your participation in the sexual harrassment and
group persecution of her here a decade ago.
Here's one I ran across -with nothing noticable to do with poetry-
where you and some other guy take what looks like a stalker stance,
which is even more creepy considering that in the post excerpted
earlier you were hangingaround 'about 9 miles' from Sharon McElroy's
house:
http://tinyurl.com/mushmouth-dipstick
August 2 1998
"...Contact with Shazz will do that, you know. My current plan is to
continue circling the McElroy homestead from a safe distance so that
you
have to stay there, guarding the front porch. From time to time,
Sharon will
bring you coffee and stop for a little chat. You were right - I am
evil..."
"This is why I sometimes call you a dipstick."
"...Rob Evans wrote: A warning, Robert - as the Chinese used to say
(in the good old days when they were inscrutable) "be careful of what
you wish for in case you get it". I suspect the price of shaggin
shazzer is that you maybe required to achieve rapport. I offer this
advice in order to show my gratitude..."
Here, Rob "mushmouth" Evans indulges in fantasy-lies about the
personal life of Sharon McElroy, a track he's gone on repeatedly over
the years, calling her a "dipstick", apparently lying about her
personal life, and finally calling her a "bitch", of all things:
* *Sharon McElroy* * writes:
>> ------------------------------------------------
>And you don't know how to *believe*!
Rob Evans, mushmouth poet, wrote:
"...Which do you want us to believe first: that you have two
psychopathic
sons? that you own a sawn-off shotgun? that you own two trained attack
dogs?
that you've been getting much lately? None of the above are too
plausible."
More of Mushmouth's "dipstick" comments:
* *Sharon McElroy* * writes:
>You two are just like the insecure little boys in highschool who have to
>hang around other little boys. Makes you feel more secure and *adequate*
>because little boys are not.
Mushmouth wrote:
"C'mon, fair's fair - I was calling you a dipstick long before it
became
fashionable..."
"Tut, tut Sharon - a gentleman always lets a lady come first."
"Presumably, we are talking about your strapping sons again?"
Sharon: " Now Rob, this is going too far. Totally unacceptable. A
*real man* would not talk badly about a woman's sons."
Mushmouth Evans: "And the bitch has a personality (look it up)."
----
Anyway, the thread goes on for hundreds of dreary posts, in typical
Mushmouth fashion, similar to your dreary chopped-up-prose "poetry"
and your sniffing behind everything I write.
Will Dockery
> "tx_max_king" <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> peewee poops potpourri:
>
> >> As it happens, I modernised a lot of the spelling and adjusted a lot
> >> of the punctuation according to my own ideas about how to make
> >> mediaeval verse easy to read,
>
> >> so I probably own the copyright in the
> >> posted version.
>
> > You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
> > and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
> > his work?
> > You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
> > Jesus H. Christmas.
>
> > C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
> > swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
>
Wipe the drool off your chin, Mushmouth... you've been sniffing too
closely again.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Rob Evans
> "Rob Evans", drooling mouthed non-poet, wrote:
>>
>> Love the way
>
> You must love it the way you keep returning to drool and sniff behind
> me, Mushmouth.
>
Good point - unfortunately for you it's Point 4.
1) It's not my fault you scribble unspeakable shit and call it poetry.
2) It's not my fault that you gargle (off-key) your unspeakable shit to a
non-paying audience of drunks and call it song.
3) It's not my fault that you dislike independent intelligent women almost
as much as they despise you.
4) Don't forget that when we're 20 posts down-thread from here that you can
start whining that I "sniffed you" first.
5) It is entirely your fault that you're an untalented, narcissistic,
two-faced hopeless wanker.
Rob
Rob Evans
snips
So, 6 things for you to remember:
1) It's not my fault you scribble unspeakable shit and call it poetry.
2) It's not my fault that you gargle (off-key) your unspeakable shit to a
non-paying audience of drunks and call it song.
3) It's not my fault that you dislike independent intelligent women almost
as much as they despise you.
4) Don't forget that when we're 20 posts down-thread from here that you can
start whining that I "sniffed you" first.
6) It is entirely your fault that you're an untalented, narcissistic,
two-faced hopeless wanker.
No need to list 5 - you remember it with every post.
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> "Rob Evans", drooling mouthed non-poet, wrote:
>
> >> Love the way
>
> > You must love it the way you keep returning to drool and sniff behind
> > me, Mushmouth.
>
> Good point - unfortunately
Good points that you snipped... unfortunately for you they can paste
right back in, for example.:
>> It's not my fault that you don't like assertive intelligent women
>
> > Since you've repeatedly labelled women "dipstick", "arsehole", "bitch"
> > and other nasty, misogynistic terms, Mushmouth, you appear to be
> > projecting your own dislike of "woman", as you put it.
>
> > You have, in public, broadcasted your hate constantly on Usenet for a
> > number of years, Mushmouth, as the examples of your sexual harrassment
> > and persecution of female poets that are archived prove. Sharon
> > McElroy, Vera, Pandora, Angel... you seem to have been there for all
> > of the sleaze slinging.
>
> Are archived prove is they indeed?
When you decide then you won't seem like such a hypocrite when you
claim it does, Mushmouth.
"We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
You are truly a hypocrite (as well as a misogynist), Mushmouth. I've
seen your vicious misogyny archived here over the years, in fact, you
even seek women out to attack them: Vera, Pandora, Sharon McElroy, to
name a few... do you admit that by your logic you must be a
misogynist, Mushmouth? You've called them "dipsticks", and did refer
to Sharon as a "bitch" at least once, while a couple of your friends
have used that term repeatedly against Vera, among others. Vera was
called a "crazy old bitch" and a "loathesome bitch" literally dozens
of times, with your smirking approval, Mushmouth.
You attacked Sharon McElroy personally in the earlier post, in which
you called her a "dipstick", which turns out to be something you
called her often on your participation in the sexual harrassment and
group persecution of her here a decade ago.
Here's one I ran across -with nothing noticable to do with poetry-
where you and some other guy take what looks like a stalker stance,
which is even more creepy considering that in the post excerpted
earlier you were hanging around 'about 9 miles' from Sharon McElroy's
house:
http://tinyurl.com/mushmouth-dipstick
August 2 1998
Mushmouth wrote:
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Rob Evans
>>
>> >> of the punctuation according to my own ideas about how to make
>> >> mediaeval verse easy to read,
>>
>> >> so I probably own the copyright in the
>> >> posted version.
>>
>> > You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
>> > You whore a selection written by another writer
>> > and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
>> > his work?
>> > You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
>> > Jesus H. Christmas.
>>
>> > C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
>> > swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
>>
>> You swallowed <slap>
>
> Wipe the drool off your chin, Mushmouth... you've been sniffing too
> closely again.
>
1 to demonstrate Points 4 and 5.
Will Dockery
>
> >> >> so I probably own the copyright in the
> >> >> posted version.
>
> >> > You don't own the rights to shit you arrogant bastard.
> >> > You whore a selection written by another writer
> >> > and then you claim it's yours because he's dead and can't defend
> >> > his work?
> >> > You're a sick fuck and a disgrace to the writing community.
> >> > Jesus H. Christmas.
>
> >> > C'mon, y'all, tell me you can sit back and
> >> > swallow this hog shit from this literary slut?
>
> >> You swallowed <slap>
>
> > Wipe the drool off your chin, Mushmouth... you've been sniffing too
> > closely again.
>
> Thank you
Glad to help, Mushmouth.
Assertive, intelligent "woman" that I like & like working with me, I
can name three off the top of my head who I've collaborated with
during 2009:
"Black Crow's Brother" by Will Dockery & Gini Woolfolk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxO1RAYTIFA
"Red Lipped Stranger":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144
"She Sleeps Tight" with Sandy Madaris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
"Waking Up Now":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8_Yp-dIPCY
"Under The Radar" with Eileen d'Esterno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEQDFMNcgLA
Meanwhile, you don't seem to have written anything at all during
2009,
unless you consider your drooling & sniffing behind my posts
"writing",
Mushmouth.
And, Rob Evans, your attitude towards female poets here over the years
is
fully document, you gunkmouthed, whistle-lisping old misogynist.
--
New poetry & music recordings by Will Dockery
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Peter J Ross
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Meanwhile, you don't seem to have written anything at all during 2009,
"not posted where Dreckery can see it" isn't the same as "not
written", narcissistic twit.
Will Dockery
> In rec.arts.poems on Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:05:06 -0800 (PST), Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, you don't seem to have written anything at all during 2009,
>
> not posted
Apparently not.
Will Dockery
to feel about actions such as yours, PJR, posting poetry by others without
attribution, and in your case, signing the works as your own, as you did
with the poem in this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/408a9ff9a51c8239
Peter J Ross wrote:
> I called him on that a week ago... he was posting lists copied off a
> webpage without any attributions, and his only defense was prettymuch
> that it isn't copyrighted, so it's okay for him to just copy it whenever
> he feels like.
Which is exactly what you did, and exactly the excuse you gave which you
claim makes it "all right", that the poem wasn't copyrighted:
On Dec 2 2009, 9:44 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Of one that is so fair and bright,
> /Velut maris stella/,
> Brighter than the dayës light,
> /Parens et puella/,
> I cry to thee, thou see to me,
> Lady, pray thy Son for me,
> /Tam pia/,
> That I mote come to thee,
> /Maria/.
>
> Lady, flower of alle thing,
> /Rosa sine spina/,
> Thou beare Jesu, Heavene King,
> /Gratia divina/,
> Of alle thou bearst the prize,
> Lady Queen of Paradise
> /Electa/;
> Maide milde, mother, /es
> Effecta/.
>
> All this world was forlore
> /Eva peccatrice/,
> Till our Lord was ybore
> /De te genetrice/;
> With Ave, it went away,
> Thuster night and cometh the day,
> /Salutis/.
> The well springth out of thee,
> /Virtutis/.
>
> [etc]
>
> Is it a poem?
>
> --
> PJR :-)
--
George Dance
> "tx_max_king" <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> On Dec 8, 3:22 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Jesus
> > Fuck.
> > Jesus.
> > Fuck.
>
> > (Don't forget to accuse me of plagiarism for quoting gg without
> > attribution.)
>
> We don't have to.
> It's a clear case of two morons with the same shtick.
>
> anyone dumb enough to fall for it?), I'm surprised you can even bother to
> chastise the lowly contributors to newsgroups.
What are you babbling about? When did Max write a "critique or
Chaucer"?
> Save your ignorance for the
> big time.
>
Peter J Ross
<shado...@knology.net> wrote:
<...>
> On Dec 2 2009, 9:44 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Of one that is so fair and bright,
<...>
Did I give you my permission to publish an exact copy of my edition of
the text of this anonymous mediaeval carol?
Are you under the mistaken impression that my edition of the text is
in the public domain? Because it fucking IS NOT. I put a lot of
thought into deciding whether or not to indicate that a "silent" vowel
should be pronounced and whether or not semicolons would help to
elucidate the original author's thought. I also left a couple of words
unmodernised because they were untranslatable, IMO.
Therefore, an ignorant wanker like you is NOT permitted to ejaculate
all over my work before running off with it stuffed into a sack marked
"SWAG".
You do *not* want me to do to you what Karla did to Tom Bishop, and
I'd rather not have to do it to you. So stop it, right now.
If I *do* do it to you, remember that I'm not as nice as Karla, and
you'll probably be paying me installments of damages awarded by the
court for the rest of your life, and I'll probably have first claim on
anything you leave after your death too.
So just don't do it. I won't sue you for the thievery you've already
perpetrated, as long as you don't perpetrate any more.
Will Dockery
>
>> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> <...>
>
> Did I give you my permission to publish
I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
with permissions.
George Dance
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> > <...>
>
> > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> with permissions.
Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
credit Benjamin Britten.
http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
Will Dockery
> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> > > <...>
>
> > > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> > I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> > with permissions.
>
> Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
Well, the poem might be worth publishing, after all, to make sure the
actual writer gets proper credit, after PJR's been busily trying to
pass the work off as his own all this time.
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 9:01 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>>
>> > > <...>
>>
>> > > Did I give you my permission to publish
>>
>> > I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
>> > with permissions.
>>
>> Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
>> credit Benjamin Britten.
>>
>> http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> Well, the poem might be worth publishing, after all, to make sure the
> actual writer gets proper credit, after PJR's been busily trying to
> pass the work off as his own all this time.
It says on the Web page "anonymous, 13th century", you mindbogglingly
stupid pair of brainless idiots.
Benjamin Britten *NEITHER WROTE NOR CLAIMED TO HAVE WRITTEN ANY OF THE
WORDS*. Neither did I. End of story.
Peter J Ross
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" <shadowvi...@knology.net> wrote:
>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>>
>> > <...>
>>
>> > Did I give you my permission to publish
>>
>> I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
>> with permissions.
>
> Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
You're weird, Dunce.
What did BB do that I ought to have done?
Will Dockery
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 9:01 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
> >> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> > >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> >> > > <...>
>
> >> > > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> >> > I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> >> > with permissions.
>
> >> Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >>http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> > Well, the poem might be worth publishing, after all, to make sure the
> > actual writer gets proper credit, after PJR's been busily trying to
> > pass the work off as his own all this time.
>
> It says on the Web page "anonymous, 13th century"
While in your repost of the poem you've signed PJR at the bottom of
the piece, thus giving the appearance that you're trying to "pass the
poem off" (as Rik Roots might put it) as your own.
> Benjamin Britten *NEITHER WROTE NOR CLAIMED TO HAVE WRITTEN ANY OF THE
> WORDS*. Neither did I. End of story.
But in your repost of the poem you've signed PJR at the bottom of the
piece, thus giving the appearance that you're trying to "pass the poem
off" (as Rik Roots might put it) as your own.
George Dance
He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
to have done, rather than simply copy his.
Peter J Ross
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
*giggle*
So the spelling, punctuation and formatting of my post were stolen
from BENJAMIN BRITTEN, that well-known editor of mediaeval texts?
Jesus
fuck.
maiden in the moor lay
in the moor lay
seven night full
seven night full
maiden in the moor lay
seven night full
and a day
maiden was a good lay
was a good lay
seven night full
seven night full
maiden was a good lay
seven night full
and a day
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Will Dockery" <shado...@knology.net> wrote in message
news:e460c$4b43c71c$d8baf760$25...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> posting poetry by others
Peter J Ross
Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
Benjamin Britten presumably wrote the tune too:
http://pjr.lasnobberia.net/tmp/maiden.mp3
(Btw, I can't sing. So what?)
George Dance
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:48:13 -0800 (PST),
>
>
>
> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 10:15 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> In rec.arts.poems on Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:01:43 -0800 (PST), George
>
> >> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> > On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" <shadowvi...@knology.net> wrote:
> >> >> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> >> >> > <...>
>
> >> >> > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> >> >> I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> >> >> with permissions.
>
> >> > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >> >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> >> You're weird, Dunce.
>
> >> What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>
> > He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> > on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> > to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>
> *giggle*
>
> So the spelling, punctuation and formatting of my post were stolen
> from BENJAMIN BRITTEN
You did substitute a word from the Oxford text in almost every line,
and change most of the punctuation, to try to pass it off as your own
"modernisation."
Interlinear (Latin omitted)
>Ross
Britten
> Of one that is so fair and bright,
Of one that is so fair and bright
> Brighter than the dayës light,
Brighter than the day is light,
> I cry to thee, thou see to me,
I cry to thee, thou see to me,
> Lady, pray thy Son for me,
Lady, pray thy Son for me
> That I mote come to thee,
That I may come to thee.
> Lady, flower of alle thing,
Lady, flow'r of ev'rything,
> Thou beare Jesu, Heavene King,
Thou bare Jesu, Heaven's King,
> Of alle thou bearst the prize,
Of all thou bear'st the prize,
> Lady Queen of Paradise
Lady, queen of paradise
> Maide milde, mother,
Maid mild, mother
> All this world was forlore
All this world was forlorn
> Till our Lord was ybore
Till our Lord was y-born
> With Ave, it went away,
With ave it went away
> Thuster night and cometh the day,
Darkest night, and comes the day
> The well springth out of thee,
The well springeth out of thee.
Sources:
> http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/fa76bd4f94c9e4a4?hl=en
http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
> , that well-known editor of mediaeval texts?
>
Not as well known as PJ Ross, of course. 8)
Peter J Ross
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
In other words, my edition wasn't much like theirs.
<...>
>> Lady, flower of alle thing,
>
> Lady, flow'r of ev'rything,
Modernisation may be good or bad, but there's nothing modern about
"flow'r" or "ev'ry".
I think my
Lady, flower of alle thing
is more readable than his
Lady, flow'r of ev'rything
and may be more poetical too.
I think I'm a better moderniser than the moderniser BB employed.
Will Dockery
> On Jan 5, 10:15 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > >> >> Of one that is so fair and bright,
>
> > >> > <...>
>
> > >> > Did I give you my permission to publish
>
> > >> I don't want to "publish" this "borrowed poem" of yours, PJR, so no problem
> > >> with permissions.
>
> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> > You're weird, Dunce.
>
> > What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>
> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied from Benjamin
Britten.
Try to have your lying allegations make sense.
Will Dockery
>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
>
> >> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> >> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> >> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>
> > Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
> > up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
>
> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied
More a matter of what you've tried to pass off as your own work, PJR.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
>> >> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>>
>> >> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>>
>> >> > What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>>
>> >> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
>> >> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
>> >> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>>
>> > Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
>> > up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
>>
>> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied
>
> More a matter of what you've tried to pass off as your own work, PJR.
And what have I tried to pass off as my own work, Dreckery?
(Apart, of course, from /my own work/, some of which your friend Dunce
bafflingly thinks was created by Benjamin Britten, but which I'll
continue to "pass off as mine", since I wrote it.)
Will Dockery
>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 8:33 pm, "Will Dockery" wrote:
>>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> >> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >> >> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> >> >> > What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>
> >> >> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> >> >> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> >> >> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>
> >> > Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
> >> > up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
>
> >> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied
>
> > More a matter of what you've tried to pass off as your own work, PJR.
>
> And what have I tried to pass off as my own work
Read the thread, PJR.
Will Dockery
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:41:13 -0800 (PST), Will Dockery wrote:
> >Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > Well, if you do decide to publish it, make sure that (unlike PJ) you
> >> >> > > credit Benjamin Britten.
>
> >> >> > >http://veling.nl/anne/templars/dec96_words.html
>
> >> >> > What did BB do that I ought to have done?
>
> >> >> He modernised the spelling and punctuation, and reformatted the text,
> >> >> on his own rather than copy someone else's work. That's what you ought
> >> >> to have done, rather than simply copy his.
>
> >> > Looks like PJR was just looking for another copyright he could snatch
> >> > up, and a poem he could pass off as his own?
>
> >> I'm still looking forward to finding out what I copied
>
> >More a matter of what you've tried to pass off as your own work, PJR.
>
Yet here it is:
Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Of one that is so fair and bright,
> /Velut maris stella/,
> Brighter than the dayës light,
<snip for brevity>
> The well springth out of thee,
> /Virtutis/.
>
> --
> PJR :-)
Note the sig "PJR" and the opening, "Peter J Ross
<p...@example.invalid> wrote", which, by the arguments of poets such
as Rik Roots, signifies PJR as "attempting to pass the poem off as his
own".