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'Voluntary' "End-of-Life" Planning -aka- The Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling

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RHF

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Feb 21, 2011, 8:57:28 PM2/21/11
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On Feb 21, 4:42 pm, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:
> > On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
> >> I hope you [Lare] have and/or can afford medical insurance with YOUR
> >> pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance
> >> companies can, have and will again deny coverage to people with
> >> pre-existing conditions.
>
> On 2/21/2011 6:25 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > Just as the Big Government insurance plan is doing today.
>
> Seeing as the new plan has not yet been implemented, this would presume
> that you are referring to what we have 'today' -- Medicare -- which does
> NOT deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
>
> If you are referring to the new, not yet implemented universal health
> care, one of the widely touted features of this plan is that you would
> NOT be denied coverage if you had a pre-existing condition.
>
> DP, what you say seems contradictory, could you please 'splain yourself...

Obama-Care© {Big "G" Health Care}
First : They Tax You
Second : They Tax You Some More
Next : They Hand You Your Denial of Benefits Notice
Then : The Free "Death Panel" Counseling
-so-called- 'Voluntary' "End-of-Life"* Planning
http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/obama-death-panels-advance-health-care-directives-and-end-of-life-planning

* Ending Your Life =for= The Good of Society
* * Euthanasia = Obama Liberal 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia
* * Eugenics = Obama Democrat 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

The Obama {Elitist} Health Care Directive : Kill-Off The
Old To Cut the High Cost of Keeping Them Alive :
Pay More Taxes and More Premiums and More Fees
-and- Get Less Care and Less Treatment and Less Help
-cause- Your Death Can Be A Blessing To Society

and that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF
.
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Gary Forbis

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Feb 21, 2011, 10:11:02 PM2/21/11
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An advanced directive is something one chooses for oneself.
I don't want to be on life care for months without consciousness
or to leave hospital care a functional vegetable. Why do you
not support my right to an informed decision about such matters?
Why must I pay for any advice on such matters out of pocket
rather than to have the councel of my doctor paid by my insurance?

The real death pannels are those of the AZ governer who has
decided some people don't deserve to live because they don't
have the financial wherewithal to have an organ transplant.

RHF

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Feb 22, 2011, 1:42:52 AM2/22/11
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On Feb 21, 7:11 pm, Gary Forbis <forbisga...@msn.com> wrote:

* * * Let The Truth Be Told * * *
.


> An advanced directive is something one chooses for oneself.

More Liberal Lies !


.
> I don't want to be on life care for months without consciousness

More Democrat Deceptions !
.


> or to leave hospital care a functional vegetable.  Why do you

More Liberal Lies !
.


> not support my right to an informed decision about such matters?

More Democrat Deceptions !
.


> Why must I pay for any advice on such matters out of pocket

More Liberal Lies !
.


> rather than to have the councel of my doctor paid by my insurance?

More Democrat Deceptions !
.


> The real death pannels are those of the AZ governer who has

More Liberal Lies !
.


> decided some people don't deserve to live because they don't

More Democrat Deceptions !
.


> have the financial wherewithal to have an organ transplant.

When the The Liberal-Democrat Elitist come into your
Room {your Parent's Room and your Grandparents'
Room} and Place the Boot of their Fascist Jack-Boot
on Your Private Parts and Tell You To Sign :
IN THE NAME OF THE OBAMA ! {You Will Die or Sign}
.
-ps- either outcome is good in the name of the obama
.
Obama-Nism© = Death-By-Obama !
{The Cult of Obama = The Cult of the Greater Good}
A Society : Of The Elite; By The Elite & For The Elite

Bring-Down 'The Obama' = One Nation Under God
{Not Overlorded by the Obama}
Say NO To Mubarak =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Gaddafi =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Ben Ali =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Saleh =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Assad =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Abdullah =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Royal Families =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
First : Impeach BHO Now For Being "B*O" [.]
Second : Vote "B*H" Out In 2012 ! ! !
.
Just Say "NO" To Obama 'Death Panels'
Impeach Obama Now !
Just Say "NO" To Obama in 2012 [.]
.
WHY IMPEACH PREZ-A-DUNTZ "BO" {Obama}
Prez Obama's : Weakness & Inaptness & Not Being
A Strong Leader Has/Is/Will Directly Cause These
Governments To Fall
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9df331843da7171f
.
WHY VOTE PREZ-A-DUNTZ "BO" {Obama} OUT IN 2012
Obama Is Eight-Times [8X] Worse That Carter :
Weak & Inapt & No Strong Leader
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.
WHAT WRONG WITH PREZ-A-DUNTZ "BO" {Obama}
Americans-R-Us : Just Say "NO" To Obama-UN-Ism©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4a1a33c44745787b
.
.

Gary Forbis

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Feb 22, 2011, 3:34:38 AM2/22/11
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On Feb 21, 10:42 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> More Liberal Lies !
> More Democrat Deceptions !
> More Liberal Lies !
> More Democrat Deceptions !
> More Liberal Lies !
> More Democrat Deceptions !
> More Liberal Lies !
> More Democrat Deceptions !

I can't tell if you are an idiot or are just playing one.
You know that there is enough noise around here
without someone playing mind games, stupid mind games.

dave

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Feb 22, 2011, 8:17:19 AM2/22/11
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On 02/21/2011 05:57 PM, RHF wrote:

>
> The Obama {Elitist} Health Care Directive : Kill-Off The
> Old To Cut the High Cost of Keeping Them Alive :
> Pay More Taxes and More Premiums and More Fees
> -and- Get Less Care and Less Treatment and Less Help
> -cause- Your Death Can Be A Blessing To Society
>

You are an embarrassment. Our current health care system kills 50,000
people a year. Minimum. And those are just the ones that never see the
inside of a doctor's office until it's too late.

You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so that
only the most profitable medicine is practiced? You think people should
get rich from other people getting sick? No moral issues there?

Drooling Idiot

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Feb 22, 2011, 8:38:34 AM2/22/11
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Lets not forget that when George "the Greatest Prez Ever" Bush was Governor
of Texas he signed the "Texas Advanced Directives Law" that brought the
life of Sun Hudson to an end after 6-months, because it wasn't
"economically feasible" to continue his respirator. MORE evidence that
rightards who love fetuses couldn't give a shit about them once they are
born.

dave

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Feb 22, 2011, 8:45:50 AM2/22/11
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On 02/22/2011 05:38 AM, Drooling Idiot wrote:
> dave<da...@dave.dave> wrote:

>> You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so that
>> only the most profitable medicine is practiced? You think people should
>> get rich from other people getting sick? No moral issues there?
>
> Lets not forget that when George "the Greatest Prez Ever" Bush was Governor
> of Texas he signed the "Texas Advanced Directives Law" that brought the
> life of Sun Hudson to an end after 6-months, because it wasn't
> "economically feasible" to continue his respirator. MORE evidence that
> rightards who love fetuses couldn't give a shit about them once they are
> born.

The righties give themselves away when they accuse their opposition of
doing weird off the wall stuff. They are "turning things around" they
call it. Just lie and say the other guy is doing what you're actually
guilty of.

If they talk "death panels" it's because they do "death panels".

Luckily the people are waking up. Fascists always lose once the people
wake up.

dave

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Feb 22, 2011, 11:02:42 AM2/22/11
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RHF

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Feb 22, 2011, 12:36:51 PM2/22/11
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On Feb 22, 12:34 am, Gary Forbis <forbisga...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 10:42 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > More Liberal Lies !
> > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > More Liberal Lies !
> > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > More Liberal Lies !
> > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > More Liberal Lies !
> > More Democrat Deceptions !

- I can't tell if you are an idiot or are just playing one.
- You know that there is enough noise around here
- without someone playing mind games, stupid mind games.

Gary Forbis : ? "idiot" ?

Gary Forbis : ? "stupid" ?

Gary Forbis : ? "mind games" ?
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When An Ever So Super-Smart "Enlightened" Liberal
Democrat Socialist Starts Fascist Name Calling*.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional
+ Plus They Often Snip/Delete What You Wrote :
To Disguise Their Complete Inability To Carry The
Argument Forward. -that-is-how-i-see-it- ~ RHF©
.
.
-the-edited-snipped-message-post-was-
The Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling
-wrt- Coerced "Ending-Your-Life" Mandate
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e90c84391e1d38e


* Ending Your Life =for= The Good of Society
* * Euthanasia = Obama Liberal 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia
* * Eugenics = Obama Democrat 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

.


Bring-Down 'The Obama' = One Nation Under God
{Not Overlorded by the Obama}
Say NO To Mubarak =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Gaddafi =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Ben Ali =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Saleh =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Assad =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Abdullah =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Royal Families =&= Barack Hussein Obama !

.
First : IMPEACH Prez Obama Now For Being "B*O" [.]
Re-New America's Hope and Change !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e90c84391e1d38e
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-now-for-bo's-failures-
.
Second : VOTE Prez "B*O" Out In 2012 ! ! !
Real Hope and Change for America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e90c84391e1d38e
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-in-2012-for-bo's-failures-
.
.
Baracking© Clowning "BO" don't use Obama use "BO"
Baracking© Prez "BO" don't use Obama use "BO"
Baracking© Prez-A-Duntz "BO" don't use Obama use "BO"
Baracking© President "BO" don't use Obama use "BO"
-wrt-Prez Bush [GWB] being called "Shrub" "Dubya" "W" "Bushit"
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushaka.htm
.
The Baracking© of Prez Obama and the Obama-Regime©
has begun : Bring-on the Ugly Dogs of Fear and Hate !
-wrt- Baracking© - Shouting the Liberal Democrat Left's
Hateful and Divisive Rhetoric* Back-In-Their-Face
* Rules for Radicals in the Hands of Conservatives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
Baracking© = Obama-Bashing© = Blaming Prez Obama !
.
.

Gary Forbis

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Feb 22, 2011, 9:53:24 PM2/22/11
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On Feb 22, 9:36 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 12:34 am, Gary Forbis <forbisga...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 21, 10:42 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > More Liberal Lies !
> > > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > > More Liberal Lies !
> > > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > > More Liberal Lies !
> > > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > > More Liberal Lies !
> > > More Democrat Deceptions !
>
> - I can't tell if you are an idiot or are just playing one.
> - You know that there is enough noise around here
> - without someone playing mind games, stupid mind games.
>
> Gary Forbis : ? "idiot" ?
>
> Gary Forbis : ? "stupid" ?
>
> Gary Forbis : ? "mind games" ?
>  .
> - - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
> [>: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :<]
> ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
> When An Ever So Super-Smart "Enlightened" Liberal
> Democrat Socialist Starts Fascist Name Calling*.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa

> * They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional
> + Plus They Often Snip/Delete What You Wrote :
> To Disguise Their Complete Inability To Carry The
> Argument Forward. -that-is-how-i-see-it- ~ RHF©

And yet I didn't snip what you wrote, I snipped what I wrote.
How does that play? I will reply in kind. If that's an indication
of "Winning An Argument" then I have won. But winning a silly
argument isn't my goal. I come here to inform and be informed.
The only arguments I care about are logical argument, that is
from premis to conclusion.

See it any way you wish. You have my permission.

RHF

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Feb 23, 2011, 2:31:07 AM2/23/11
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On Feb 22, 5:17 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:

- - On 02/21/2011 05:57 PM, RHF wrote:
- - The Obama {Elitist} Health Care Directive : Kill-Off The
- - Old To Cut the High Cost of Keeping Them Alive :
- - Pay More Taxes and More Premiums and More Fees
- - -and- Get Less Care and Less Treatment and Less Help
- - -cause- Your Death Can Be A Blessing To Society

- You are an embarrassment. Our current health care system kills
50,000
- people a year. Minimum. And those are just the ones that never see
the
- inside of a doctor's office until it's too late.
-
- You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so
that
- only the most profitable medicine is practiced? You think people
should
- get rich from other people getting sick? No moral issues there?

'Special-Dave' and just how many will be . . .
"Sentenced-to-Death" Daily, Weekly, Monthly,
Yearly By The Obama-Care© 'Death Panels' ? ? ?

Using Abortions* as an American (USA) Societal Index
{Benchmark} with around Two (2) Million a Year : We
Can Expect That : Around 380 Thousand Americans
per Year will be Killed-Off by the Obama-Care© 'Death
Panels'. -based-on- The Number of Baby-Boomers
Coming To The Last Years of Their Lives -wrt- The
76 Million over 20 Years = 3.8 Million per Year Facing
the Last Year with 1-in-10 {10%} being Processed by
the Obama-Care© 'Death Panels' ! ! ! -and- Being Given
a Death Sentence versus Medical Treatment : That's
380 Thousand {380, 000} Americans per Year for the
Next 20-Years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer

! THAT'S MASSIVE EUTHANASIA ON A NATIONAL SCALE !
{Execution-By-Neglect & Death-by-Denial-of-Medical-Treatment}
Potentially 380 Thousand per Year {Death by Obama-Care©}
-and- Over 30 Thousand per Month {Death by Obama-Care©}
-around- One Thousand per Day {Death by Obama-Care©}
.
* Between 2000 and 2008, another 15 Million Abortions
have been done; again mostly Minority and Poor Women.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ddd113491defdfae
.


The Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling
-wrt- Coerced "Ending-Your-Life" Mandate
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e90c84391e1d38e

* Ending Your Life =for= The Good of Society
* * Euthanasia = Obama Liberal 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia
* * Eugenics = Obama Democrat 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

.
First : IMPEACH Prez Obama Now For Being "B*O" [.]
Re-New America's Hope and Change !

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1f04ef7c173c8a39


-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-now-for-bo's-failures-
.
Second : VOTE Prez "B*O" Out In 2012 ! ! !
Real Hope and Change for America !

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1f04ef7c173c8a39
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-in-2012-for-bo's-failures-
.
Prez Obama's : Weakness & Ineptness & Not Being


A Strong Leader Has/Is/Will Directly Cause These
Governments To Fall
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9df331843da7171f
.

Obama Is Eight-Times [8X] Worse That Carter :

Weak & Inept & No Strong Leader
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bec9611a59020153
.
Q? : Why Did Prez Obama Use The Hate Speech Code
Word "ATTACK"-wrt- To the State of Wisconsin and
The Union Workers !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/050c9d6d2a3886fa
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af57867c1c50aa53
.
Liberal & Democrats -say- Cast-Out Your God {Allah}
and Jesus : Worship The 'Lord Almighty Obama'
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7ed68235564cb62d
.
OMG "Obama" : ? Obama Is The Mastermind of
Liberal-Democrat Universe !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dc5165242220f3dd
.
The Obama Revolution "Hope and Change" :
How's It Working For You ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/19b69c0d502ca2ae
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6043c796f4edbe0d
.
.

RHF

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Feb 23, 2011, 3:18:04 AM2/23/11
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On Feb 22, 5:45 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> On 02/22/2011 05:38 AM, Drooling Idiot wrote:
>
> > dave<d...@dave.dave>  wrote:

> >> You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so that
> >> only the most profitable medicine is practiced? You think people should
> >> get rich from other people getting sick? No moral issues there?
>
> > Lets not forget that when George "the Greatest Prez Ever" Bush was Governor
> > of Texas he signed the "Texas Advanced Directives Law" that brought the
> > life of Sun Hudson to an end after 6-months, because it wasn't
> > "economically feasible" to continue his respirator.  MORE evidence that
> > rightards who love fetuses couldn't give a shit about them once they are
> > born.
>
> The righties give themselves away when they accuse their opposition of
> doing weird off the wall stuff. They are "turning things around" they
> call it. Just lie and say the other guy is doing what you're actually
> guilty of.
>
> If they talk "death panels" it's because they do "death panels".

- Luckily the people are waking up.
- Fascists always lose once the people wake up.

The People -aka- American Voters Are Waking-Up To :

The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy
-wrt-


Ending Your Life =for= The Good of Society

-wrt- Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6474434a4633e379


.
Q? : Why Did Prez Obama Use The Hate Speech Code
Word "ATTACK"-wrt- To the State of Wisconsin and
The Union Workers !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/050c9d6d2a3886fa
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af57867c1c50aa53
.

VOTE Prez "BO" {Obama} Out In 2012 ! ! !
Bring Back 'Hope and Change' for America !


http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1f04ef7c173c8a39
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-in-2012-for-bo's-failures-
.

.

Clave

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Feb 23, 2011, 3:30:39 AM2/23/11
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"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:7e22a814-b3f7-4e4b...@o21g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

<...>

> The People -aka- American Voters Are Waking-Up To :
>
> The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :

> Crashing The US Economy..

Idiot.


RHF

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Feb 23, 2011, 3:29:57 AM2/23/11
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On Feb 21, 5:03 pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> On 02/21/2011 10:12 AM, dxAce wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Steve, from your posts here, you appear to be just a little guy, not a
> >> wealthy individual. Why are you so hell-bent on giving away the store to
> >> Big Business?

- - Why are YOU so hell-bent on giving away
- - the store to Big Government?

- The only way the little guy has a chance against
- big business is to have a powerful government
- keeping big business in line. Otherwise you have
- people like BP and Goldman Sachs pushing
- everybody around.

? And Just Who Protects You {The Citizen} From
That Big and Very "Powerful" Government ?

The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0f3b2069c1ce8f8a

RHF

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Feb 23, 2011, 3:10:51 AM2/23/11
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The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline : Crashing The US Economy
.

dave

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Feb 23, 2011, 8:03:14 AM2/23/11
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Mr. Buffett compiled a data sheet of the men and women who work in his
office. He had each of them make a fraction; the numerator was how much
they paid in federal income tax and in payroll taxes for Social Security
and Medicare, and the denominator was their taxable income. The people
in his office were mostly secretaries and clerks, though not all.

It turned out that Mr. Buffett, with immense income from dividends and
capital gains, paid far, far less as a fraction of his income than the
secretaries or the clerks or anyone else in his office. Further, in
conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesn’t use any tax planning at
all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires. “How can this
be fair?” he asked of how little he pays relative to his employees. “How
can this be right?”

Even though I agreed with him, I warned that whenever someone tried to
raise the issue, he or she was accused of fomenting class warfare.

“There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. Buffett said, “but it’s my
class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/business/yourmoney/26every.html

First Post

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Feb 23, 2011, 8:16:50 AM2/23/11
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Funny how Charles Rangel and other liberal democrats can simply not
pay taxes and you're just fine with it.
Guess you would view it more favorably if Buffet simply did as Rangel
and broke the law instead of using tax loppholes.

When you decide to get just as pissy about all of your liberal icons
doing worse than the occasional rich prick you can pick out of a 5
year old headline then maybe you won't appear to be just another
hypocritical asshole.

dave

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Feb 23, 2011, 8:47:11 AM2/23/11
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On 02/23/2011 05:16 AM, First Post wrote:

>
> Funny how Charles Rangel and other liberal democrats can simply not
> pay taxes and you're just fine with it.
> Guess you would view it more favorably if Buffet simply did as Rangel
> and broke the law instead of using tax loppholes.
>
> When you decide to get just as pissy about all of your liberal icons
> doing worse than the occasional rich prick you can pick out of a 5
> year old headline then maybe you won't appear to be just another
> hypocritical asshole.
>

I have no opinion of Charles Rangel one way or the other. He is not the
subject, and to equate a rocky form 1040 with what the Koch Brothers are
doing is proof that you sir are a pinhead.

I do know Rep. Rangel is from Adam Clayton Powell's old district (where
George Carlin grew up). I also know he was re-elected.

RHF

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Feb 23, 2011, 3:23:35 PM2/23/11
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On Feb 23, 6:58 am, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net> wrote:
> > dave wrote:
>
> >> On 02/23/2011 02:30 AM, dxAce wrote:
>
> >>> As a former union member, my homework was done a long time ago. I suggest YOU do your
> >>> homework regarding this issue vis-a vis Wisconsin. This has nothing to do with private
> >>> sector unions, but rather public sector unions.
>
> >>> But in typical Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist fashion, you have attempted to twist the
> >>> issue into something else entirely.
>
> >>> Please, try to pay attention!
>
> >> Unions are a side issue. This is about Republicans over-reaching,
> >> claiming mandates where none exist, and politically attacking
> >> democratic-leaning institutions for purely political reasons.
>
> On 2/23/2011 8:31 AM, dxAce wrote:
>
> > Damn! I thought it was about balancing a budget.
>
> Well, you would be wrong. The Wisconsin union gave the governor every
> economic concession he asked for...and the guv turned them down cold.
>
> This CLEARLY proves that the guv's agenda had nothing to do with
> economics and EVERYTHING to do with busting the unions.
>
> Please note that when guv Walker was the county exec in Milwaukee
> County, he tried to bust the union there...and ended up costing the
> taxpayers of Milwaukee County $500,000 for his folly when an independent
> auditor said he illegally fired them and they had to be re-hired with
> back pay. Walker has a long and sad history of trying to bust unions.


Rasmussen Poll shows Nation-wide Support by
the American Public {The Voters} for the State of
Wisconsin against the State Workers.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2011/48_back_gop_governor_in_wisconsin_spat_38_side_with_unions
.
Fairness & Equality For All : "Golden Benefit" Union
Employees Tax Excessive Benefits as Income
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2da2af407c994c90


.
Q? : Why Did Prez Obama Use The Hate Speech Code
Word "ATTACK"-wrt- To the State of Wisconsin and
The Union Workers !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/050c9d6d2a3886fa
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af57867c1c50aa53
.

Prez Obama Denounces Wisconsin State's "New Deal"
{Sustainable Employment} for Unionized State Workers
as an ATTACK on Union Rights.
.
-but- The Truth Be Told Prez Obama Is Offering Even
Less Union Rights To Federal TSA Workers To Unionize
and Bargain with the US Federal Government.
.
Prez Obama Big Talk On Union Rights While He Denies
Full {Real} Union {Civil} Rights To Federal TSA Workers.
.
Prez Obama Your Anti-Union Actions Speak Louder
Than Your Pro-Union Words -truth-be-told- ~ RHF
.
? Is Prez Obama Trying To Cause More Civilian Unrest
in the State of Wisconsin !
.
? Is Prez Obama Trying To Foment Rioting in the State
of Wisconsin !
.
? Is Prez Obama Trying To Make Elected Republicans
Targets {Pubic Enemies} in the State of Wisconsin !
.
US Prez-A-Duntz's Should NOT Use "Hate" Speech Against
Other Americans and Make Them Enemies of 'The People'.
.
Prez Obama Needs To APOLOGIZE for Using The
Word "ATTACK" -wrt- The State of Wisconsin and
that State's Union Workers.


.
VOTE Prez "BO" {Obama} Out In 2012 ! ! !
Bring Back 'Hope and Change' for America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1f04ef7c173c8a39
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-in-2012-for-bo's-failures-
.

The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0f3b2069c1ce8f8a
.
.

RHF

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Feb 23, 2011, 3:30:15 PM2/23/11
to
On Feb 22, 5:45 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> On 02/22/2011 05:38 AM, Drooling Idiot wrote:
>
> > dave<d...@dave.dave>  wrote:

> >> You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so that
> >> only the most profitable medicine is practiced? You think people should
> >> get rich from other people getting sick? No moral issues there?
>
> > Lets not forget that when George "the Greatest Prez Ever" Bush was Governor
> > of Texas he signed the "Texas Advanced Directives Law" that brought the
> > life of Sun Hudson to an end after 6-months, because it wasn't
> > "economically feasible" to continue his respirator.  MORE evidence that
> > rightards who love fetuses couldn't give a shit about them once they are
> > born.
>
> The righties give themselves away when they accuse their opposition of
> doing weird off the wall stuff. They are "turning things around" they
> call it. Just lie and say the other guy is doing what you're actually
> guilty of.
>
> If they talk "death panels" it's because they do "death panels".

- Luckily the people are waking up.

Rasmussen Poll shows Nation-wide Support by
the American Public {The Voters} for the State of
Wisconsin against the State Workers.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2011/48_back_gop_governor_in_wisconsin_spat_38_side_with_unions
.

- Fascists always lose once the people wake up.

YES : The American People {Voters} are Waking-Up
to the Liberal-Fascism of Prez "BO" {Obama} and
the Democrat Party of the USA : Pelosi, Reid et al...


.
Fairness & Equality For All : "Golden Benefit" Union

Employees Tax Their Excessive Benefits as Income

RHF

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Feb 23, 2011, 6:44:42 PM2/23/11
to
On Feb 23, 5:43 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 05:10 AM, dxAce wrote:
>
>
>
> > dave wrote:
>
> > So, did Mr. Buffet write a check to the Feds for the difference?
>
> > I doubt it.

- He gives the money away directly via a charitable trust,

-and- THUS AVOIDING US TAXES -r-o-t-f-l-

WHY ? Hasn't Buffet Written A Check To The American People
-versus- Giving-A-Way His Money Overseas to Foreigners . . .
-why-are-the-american-tax-payers-forced-to-
-subsidizing-this-foreign-charity-giving-


.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0f3b2069c1ce8f8a
.
.

- like moral rich people do,

NAH Like "IMMORAL" Rich People Do By Giving His
American Earned Wealth To Foreigners {Non-Americans}
When There Are :
American US Citizens In-Need of Financial Help
American US Citizens Wanting Economic Justice
American US Citizens In-Hunger Without Food
American US Citizens Sick & Dying Needing Medical Care
American US Citizens Without Homes/Shelter
NO TAX BREAKS FOR FOREIGN GIVING/CHARITIES
-america-charity-begins-at-home-and-stays-in-america-


.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2d51e55d1eae0bbe


.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f6301501f9ca60fb


.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1cf8f93d36fe77b7


.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3cb41f81b8d655c6


.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0f3b2069c1ce8f8a
.
.

> rather than using it to usurp the Constitution of your
> birthplace, like the Koch Brothers do. (Full disclosure:
> The Kochs do donate to the opera).

RHF

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Feb 24, 2011, 5:30:58 AM2/24/11
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On Feb 23, 10:48 pm, arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Feb 23, 2:13 pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 02/23/2011 10:34 AM, RHF wrote:
>
> > the Tea Act taxed the tea at source (i.e. in India) so there was no tax
> > collection in the colonies. The act allowed the tea to go directly to
> > America instead of having to be imported to Britain and then re-exported
> > to the colonies. This made the tea 9d per lb cheaper, even with the 3d
> > tax. It also allowed the East India Company to sell the tea exclusively
> > to chosen merchants (consignees) in the American colonies. This
> > established monopolies in America and offended colonial merchants.
>
> > In addition the government made a loan of 1.4 million to the East India
> > Company which was to be allowed to ship tea directly and on its own
> > account to America. The Company would pay the 3d duty on the tea's entry
> > into the colonies but was exempt from reimbursing the English customs
> > for the 1/- English duty which would previously have fallen on it. The
> > consequence was that tea would sell at 10/- per lb in America, not the
> > 1 which it had fetched recently. This would increase its consumption
> > and so the Company would be helped out of its financial difficulties.
> > Furthermore, the Company aided the government by taking measures against
> > smuggling now that it was delivering direct to America. The tea was
> > consigned in known quantities and to authorized merchants acting as
> > Company agents. However, by that time, the colonists were suspicious of
> > British motives and the Tea Act led directly to the Boston Tea Party.
>
> >http://www.boston-tea-party.org/tea-act.html
>
- And today it may as well be called  the 'coffee--party' .
- Due to it's popularity .

More like the 'Star-Bucks' Party of Obama Regime
Corrupt {Cup't} Washington and Wall Street Insiders !

Last 'StarBucks' Drive-Thru Closes as Gasoline Hits $6.66
http://www.arcincarchitects.com/projects/retail/images/starbucks_1.jpg

The Road Sigh Up Ahead Reads . . . You Are Entering
...The-Mark-of-the-Obama© ZONE...
http://www.classicalvalues.com/Obama-logo-712332.jpg


.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dbe6320b24966200


.
VOTE Prez "BO" {Obama} Out In 2012 ! ! !
Bring Back 'Hope and Change' for America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1f04ef7c173c8a39
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-in-2012-for-bo's-failures-
.

.

RHF

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Mar 5, 2011, 7:02:24 AM3/5/11
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On Feb 24, 2:04 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
.
.
The Price Sign in the front of the Gas Station -said- $3.75
-so- Slow Down and Put More Air In Your Tires*
...cause... You Are Approaching... {Getting Closer To}
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© Land and $6.66 Gasoline !
! ! ! CRASHING THE US ECONOMY ! ! !
.
* Prez "BO" {Obama} Recommends :
* * Slow Down
* * Put More Air In Your Tires
* * Get A Tune-Up
* * Drive Less {and Walk More}
* * Car Pool {Walk To Your Car Pool}
* * Take Public Transit {Walk To The Bus/Train}
* * Buy a Moped a/o Bicycle {or just Walk}
* * Buy some good Walking Shoes {Walk More}
* * Buy a new Electric Car {Spend Money You Don't Have}
.
- The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
- Crashing The US Economy
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2d51e55d1eae0bbe
-  .
- The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
- Crashing The US Economy
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f6301501f9ca60fb
-  .
- The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
- Crashing The US Economy
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1cf8f93d36fe77b7
-  .
- The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
- Crashing The US Economy
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3cb41f81b8d655c6
-  .
- The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
- Crashing The US Economy
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0f3b2069c1ce8f8a
.
.

First Post

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Mar 5, 2011, 9:05:37 AM3/5/11
to
On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 04:02:24 -0800 (PST), RHF
<rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:

>On Feb 24, 2:04 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> .
> .
>The Price Sign in the front of the Gas Station -said- $3.75
>-so- Slow Down and Put More Air In Your Tires*
>...cause... You Are Approaching... {Getting Closer To}
>The-Mark-of-the-Obama© Land and $6.66 Gasoline !
>! ! ! CRASHING THE US ECONOMY ! ! !
> .
>* Prez "BO" {Obama} Recommends :
>* * Slow Down
>* * Put More Air In Your Tires
>* * Get A Tune-Up
>* * Drive Less {and Walk More}
>* * Car Pool {Walk To Your Car Pool}
>* * Take Public Transit {Walk To The Bus/Train}
>* * Buy a Moped a/o Bicycle {or just Walk}
>* * Buy some good Walking Shoes {Walk More}
>* * Buy a new Electric Car {Spend Money You Don't Have}

Obama still believes that oil is the great evil in the world.
Michelle Obama believes every American citizen is too fat.

Solution: Drive the cost of fuel through the roof so people will quit
using as much also resulting in the prices of all consumables (ie
food) going sky high thus creating "The Obama Diet".

They're just killing two birds with one stone yes?

Indeed, it is doing wonders for the economy. Just this week I
increased my "trip charge" for service calls by $10 thanks to fuel
price increases.

On a side note: A lot of people mistakingly compare the current
economy with the Great Depression.
During the Depression everyone was out of work but a 10 pound slab of
bacon cost a dime. Everything was inexpensive but no one had a job or
money.
Today a lot of people are out of work and a 12 ounce package of bacon
cost around $4. Even those with jobs are finding it more difficult to
make ends meat.

Obama's "social justice" will soon be achieved. We shall all be
EQUALLY poor.

arthr...@webtv.net

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Mar 6, 2011, 1:30:46 AM3/6/11
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> >-http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2d51e55d1eae0bbe

> >- .
> >- The-Mark-of-the-Obama = $6.66 Gasoline :
> >- Crashing The US Economy
> >-http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f6301501f9ca60fb

> >- .
> >- The-Mark-of-the-Obama = $6.66 Gasoline :
> >- Crashing The US Economy
> >-http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1cf8f93d36fe77b7

> >- .
> >- The-Mark-of-the-Obama = $6.66 Gasoline :
> >- Crashing The US Economy
> >-http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3cb41f81b8d655c6

> >- .
> >- The-Mark-of-the-Obama = $6.66 Gasoline :
> >- Crashing The US Economy
> >-http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0f3b2069c1ce8f8a
> > .
> > .- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If Michelle wants to fight obesity she will need to : 1) Declare a
War on junk food 2) Promote sports 3) Ban GM food 4) Ask to take
public transportation or use bicycles 5) Put ALL the people back to
work .

RHF

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Mar 6, 2011, 4:39:19 AM3/6/11
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In the Name of God {Allah} -pbhn-

Blessing and Peace Be Upon Michelle Obama
The First Lady of the USA -and- May She See
Her Grant-Grant-Grand-Children - Amen ! ~ RHF
-along-with-her-husband-bbuh-
.
Would You Not Wish Your Own Mother
See Her Own Grand Children
.
Would You Not Wish Your Own wife
{The Mother of Your Children}
See Her Own Grand Children
.
Would You Not Wish Your Own Sister
See Her Own Grand Children
.
Would You Not Wish Your Own Daughter
See Her Own Grand Children
.
The How Could You Wish Less On Michelle
Obama The First Lady of the USA ? ? ?
.
Blessing and Peace Be Upon Michelle Obama
The First Lady of the USA -and- May Se See
Her Grant-Grant-Grand-Children - Amen
.
simple humanity demands it of us all ~ RHF
-eternal-fraternal-peace-and- love-
.
.

RHF

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Mar 18, 2011, 12:53:48 AM3/18/11
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On Feb 24, 3:04 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 11:13 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 02/23/2011 10:34 AM,RHFwrote:
>
> > the Tea Act taxed the tea at source (i.e. in India) so there was no tax
> > collection in the colonies. The act allowed the tea to go directly to
> > America instead of having to be imported to Britain and then re-exported
> > to the colonies. This made the tea 9d per lb cheaper, even with the 3d
> > tax. It also allowed the East India Company to sell the tea exclusively
> > to chosen merchants (consignees) in the American colonies. This
> > established monopolies in America and offended colonial merchants.
>
> > In addition the government made a loan of 1.4 million to the East India
> > Company which was to be allowed to ship tea directly and on its own
> > account to America. The Company would pay the 3d duty on the tea's entry
> > into the colonies but was exempt from reimbursing the English customs
> > for the 1/- English duty which would previously have fallen on it. The
> > consequence was that tea would sell at 10/- per lb in America, not the
> > 1 which it had fetched recently. This would increase its consumption
> > and so the Company would be helped out of its financial difficulties.
> > Furthermore, the Company aided the government by taking measures against
> > smuggling now that it was delivering direct to America. The tea was
> > consigned in known quantities and to authorized merchants acting as
> > Company agents. However, by that time, the colonists were suspicious of
> > British motives and the Tea Act led directly to the Boston Tea Party.
>
> >http://www.boston-tea-party.org/tea-act.html
>
> 'Special-Dave' : U B Puffing 2 Mucho TEA* !
>
> * Medical Marijuana
>  .
>  .
> The-Mark-of-the-Obama© =$6.66Gasoline :
> Crashing The US Economyhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2d51e55d1eae0bbe
>  .
> The-Mark-of-the-Obama© =$6.66Gasoline :
> Crashing The US Economyhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f6301501f9ca60fb
>  .
> The-Mark-of-the-Obama© =$6.66Gasoline :
> Crashing The US Economyhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1cf8f93d36fe77b7
>  .
> The-Mark-of-the-Obama© =$6.66Gasoline :
> Crashing The US Economyhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3cb41f81b8d655c6
>  .
- The-Mark-of-the-Obama© =$6.66Gasoline :

- Crashing The US Economy
- http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0f3b2069c1ce8f8a
-  .
-  .

NOTE : Good News US Gasoline Prices took a down-dip :o)

BUT : Now That Prez "BO" {Obama} Is Fixing To
Start A New War-for-Oil in Libya !

We Will Once Again Be On Our Way To :
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© =$6.66Gasoline :
and Crashing The US & World Economy
.
Obama is Bush & Bush is Obama = War Mongers
+ Obama's New War-for-Oil in Libya !
-the-silence-of-the-left-peace-movement-
=THE=SILENCE=OF=THE=LIBERAL=MEDIA=
.
Obama's Worse Than Bush... and Bush Was Bad !
.
With Eight Years of Prez Bush You Thought It Could
Not Jet Any Worse : Wow Two Years of Obama Proves
We Were Mistaken !
.
Hey... I'd Vote For Anybody But Obama In 2012 !
.
Obama Doing Everything Bush Did At Gitmo and More !
+ New & Improved Military Tribunals with Secret Evidence
-the-silence-of-the-left-human-rights-movement-
=THE=SILENCE=OF=THE=LIBERAL=MEDIA=
.
.

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