Here's an interesting article for those who are following the "Shambhala" thread
Tom
Searles O'Dubhain
"Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2903&Itemid=247
Religions that do not constantly seek truth are the problem and not religion
itself. Otherwise there would be no Buddha to kill nor would there be a
philosphy to mark the way. It is when a person goes beyond emotion and
irrational fear that a chance for truth and understanding can occur. That is
why Magick can be a religion.
Searles O'Dubhain
Tom
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Well, you see that's the problem. Religions *don't* constantly seek truth.
Religions constantly try to convince the world that they *already have* the
truth, no matter what evidence arises that demonstrates otherwise. It is
the very nature of religion to claim ownership of the truth, to assert
matters of faith as if they were matters of fact.
Bassos
From your presented page :
"
To talk about "Buddhism," therefore, inevitably imparts a false sense of the
Buddha's teaching to others. So insofar as we maintain a discourse as
"Buddhists," we ensure that the wisdom of the Buddha will do little to
inform the development of civilization in the twenty-first century.
"
Oh wait, you are supposed to live thruth, not just talk about it.
Beginner stuff this.
I told you months before this.
Take a brake.
Absorbed
Funny stuff coming from you. Back in February you were saying "Fare thee
well" to alt.magick, yet a month later you were posting again:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/browse_frm/thread/b5450c9810aeba64
It now seems that that intention is completely forgotten. And that isn't
the only place you've been u-turning. In the same post you were praising
Tom, yet now you criticise him at every opportunity.
I think your changeable opinion of Tom is characteristic of a beginner
in magick, as is your inability to stick to your intention to leave.
Stop acting like a coward and have the courage to admit to yourself that
you're the beginner.
Tom
"Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bassos wrote:
>>
>> Beginner stuff this.
>> I told you months before this.
>> Take a brake.
>
> Funny stuff coming from you. Back in February you were saying "Fare thee
> well" to alt.magick, yet a month later you were posting again:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/browse_frm/thread/b5450c9810aeba64
>
> It now seems that that intention is completely forgotten. And that isn't
> the only place you've been u-turning. In the same post you were praising
> Tom, yet now you criticise him at every opportunity.
It may have something to do with my pointing out what an ass he's been
making of himself.
> I think your changeable opinion of Tom is characteristic of a beginner in
> magick, as is your inability to stick to your intention to leave.
Most occultists refuse to be beginners, once they get over their initial
hero worship of whoever first attracted them to the field. Thus, they
reject all the real basics of magick, preferring to fake their way into
being regarded as being powerful and wise, just as they imagined their hero
was. Such people regularly distain "beginner stuff", when, in fact,
"beginner stuff" is exactly what they lack.
Note, for example, how Bassos wants to devise an oath of ethical conduct for
astrologers, predicated on the assumption that astrology actually has
predictive valdity. Yet, he has done no organized work at all to determine
whether that assumption is true and actively ignores the evidence that it
doesn't. Indeed, he not only hasn't done the work but he doesn't even know
how. He wants to blow by the basics and start building a castle in the
clouds.
> Stop acting like a coward and have the courage to admit to yourself that
> you're the beginner.
Not much chance of Bassos doing that in the near term.
Absorbed
>> that you're the beginner.
>
> Not much chance of Bassos doing that in the near term.
Maybe he will heed his own advice: "Every shithead that whines against
tom should seriously read every previous shithead that whined."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/msg/f11bd642c898f7ba
Bassos, go read every previous shithead that whined.
SixthtySixthSix
There should be a key reader that preformats all of these off-topic,
antagonistic replies with '...and Tom and his butt-monkeys think...'... I
could actually read alt.majick without all of the droll, useless,
compensatory shit.
Searles O'Dubhain
Druids always seek truth because they understand that knowledge about it is
staic, dynamic and filled with possibilities. Buddhism is like that too
which is one reason I like to study parts of it. Not every religion has the
truth but some seek for it.
Searles O'Dubhain
Bassos
Not forgotten.
You apparantly have no clue what die daily means.
You also fail to see how even something trivial as posting in alt.magick can
help with it.
So rejoice, loads of stuff to discover.
> I think your changeable opinion of Tom is characteristic of a beginner in
> magick, as is your inability to stick to your intention to leave.
Heh.
You really have not been paying attention to my opinion about Tom.
Hell, i even publicly professed my undying love for Tom.
This does not mean i should agree with him.
> Stop acting like a coward and have the courage to admit to yourself that
> you're the beginner.
Heh.
Bassos
>
> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Bassos wrote:
>>>
>>> Beginner stuff this.
>>> I told you months before this.
>>> Take a brake.
>>
>> Funny stuff coming from you. Back in February you were saying "Fare thee
>> well" to alt.magick, yet a month later you were posting again:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/browse_frm/thread/b5450c9810aeba64
>>
>> It now seems that that intention is completely forgotten. And that isn't
>> the only place you've been u-turning. In the same post you were praising
>> Tom, yet now you criticise him at every opportunity.
>
> It may have something to do with my pointing out what an ass he's been
> making of himself.
Yup, it could be that i feel a grudge, definately something to consider.
It could also be that i repeatedly had to rub in your face that you where
completely off-topic.
Who knows ?
Oh wait, usenet knows, see for yourself.
>> I think your changeable opinion of Tom is characteristic of a beginner in
>> magick, as is your inability to stick to your intention to leave.
>
> Most occultists refuse to be beginners, once they get over their initial
> hero worship of whoever first attracted them to the field.
Yeah, that surely describes me.
> Thus, they reject all the real basics of magick, preferring to fake their
> way into being regarded as being powerful and wise, just as they imagined
> their hero was. Such people regularly distain "beginner stuff", when, in
> fact, "beginner stuff" is exactly what they lack.
Yeah, i never ever did anything, nor read any useful material, nor have any
experience.
Yep Tom, you found me out.
Oh wait, is this Tom acting all foolish, and me being correct ?
Nah, can't be.
> Note, for example, how Bassos wants to devise an oath of ethical conduct
> for astrologers,
Yup.
This is because, as i already wrote, you first should sort out what you will
do with stuff before you randomly conduct experiments.
This may look weird to you, but this is because you do not understand the
scientific process.
>> Stop acting like a coward and have the courage to admit to yourself that
>> you're the beginner.
>
> Not much chance of Bassos doing that in the near term.
No problem with me :
I am a beginner in driving (i actually do not have a driving license)
I am a beginner in shooting (real) guns of any kind
I am a beginner in lying. (just seem to not be able to find anything
worthwhile enough to lie about, so hardly any training and lousy at it)
I am a beginner in tact. (i think it wastes time)
I am a beginner in showing patience for fools. (self evident in my
alt.magick postings)
I am a beginner in etc etc etc.
Sheesh, the challenge to write, oh noes...
Eediot.
Oh, just in case you are a real whiner :
I am a beginner in anything relating to the study and practise of magick,
and all related subjects, up to and including everything.
Now show me someone who is not a beginner on every subject imaginable, take
for comparison the universe.
Eediot.
Only scared/restricted people think there is a contest, or a measure of
progress, or well, beginners and people who are not beginning.......
Quote : trauma is the engine of initiation
(eg change produces change)
Absorbed
You stated your intention to stop posting to alt.magick, and then a
month later you started posting again. I think this suggests that in
your life you often fail to stick to your intentions, and that is a
characteristic I would associate with a beginner in magick. What you or
I interpret "die daily" to mean is irrelevant to this point.
> You also fail to see how even something trivial as posting in alt.magick can
> help with it.
Again, you're discussing something unrelated and irrelevant to what I
said. Whatever your reason for not sticking to your intention, the fact
is that you didn't stick to it and you started posting again. You can
attempt to evade or make excuses for this fact, but it happened and it
says something about you. As I said, I think it suggests that you're a
beginner in magick.
Absorbed
> I am a beginner in showing patience for fools. (self evident in my
> alt.magick postings)
You are the fool.
mika
And he obviously has little patience with himself, so... at least one
of his claims has been demonstrated to be accurate.
Tom
"Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
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> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Bassos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Beginner stuff this.
>>>> I told you months before this.
>>>> Take a brake.
>>>
>>> Funny stuff coming from you. Back in February you were saying "Fare thee
>>> well" to alt.magick, yet a month later you were posting again:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/browse_frm/thread/b5450c9810aeba64
>>>
>>> It now seems that that intention is completely forgotten. And that isn't
>>> the only place you've been u-turning. In the same post you were praising
>>> Tom, yet now you criticise him at every opportunity.
>>
>> It may have something to do with my pointing out what an ass he's been
>> making of himself.
>
> Yup, it could be that i feel a grudge, definately something to consider.
QED
> I am a beginner in anything relating to the study and practise of magick,
> and all related subjects, up to and including everything.
Then it seems sort of silly for you to deride what I was saying as "beginner
stuff". Clearly it was entirely relevant to you in particular. Which is
why you should pay more attention to it rather than less.
mika
> http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id...
I just read something loosely related, "A Free Man's Worship" by
Bertrand Russell. Possibly more relevant to some other threads
currently going on in alt.m, but here it is anyway:
http://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/fmw.html
...
"Such, in outline, but even more purposeless, more void of meaning, is
the world which Science presents for our belief. Amid such a world, if
anywhere, our ideals henceforward must find a home. That Man is the
product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were
achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves
and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of
atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling,
can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; that all the labours
of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday
brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast
death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of Man's
achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe
in ruins--all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so
nearly certain, that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to
stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm
foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul's habitation henceforth
be safely built. "
Bassos
>
> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gamhet$5tq$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Bassos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Beginner stuff this.
>>>>> I told you months before this.
>>>>> Take a brake.
>>>>
>>>> Funny stuff coming from you. Back in February you were saying "Fare
>>>> thee well" to alt.magick, yet a month later you were posting again:
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/browse_frm/thread/b5450c9810aeba64
>>>>
>>>> It now seems that that intention is completely forgotten. And that
>>>> isn't the only place you've been u-turning. In the same post you were
>>>> praising Tom, yet now you criticise him at every opportunity.
>>>
>>> It may have something to do with my pointing out what an ass he's been
>>> making of himself.
>>
>> Yup, it could be that i feel a grudge, definately something to consider.
>
> QED
Yes, it is demonstrated that i (apparantly....) posted something.
Good work.
>> I am a beginner in anything relating to the study and practise of magick,
>> and all related subjects, up to and including everything.
>
> Then it seems sort of silly for you to deride what I was saying as
> "beginner stuff". Clearly it was entirely relevant to you in particular.
> Which is why you should pay more attention to it rather than less.
I see the part where i explained how every human can be nothing else than a
beginner completely eluded you.
Nuby.
You can grind me into details no problem, but in this case you choose to
stroke a broad brush, i am somewhat curious as to your objective, but i
guess i will find out.
Bassos
Ofcourse.
Where you thinking something else ?
How silly of you.
But more to the point :
Why are you *not* "the Fool" ?
Bassos
This thing about you not getting what die daily means,
Then i kinda tell you what it means, ofcourse not straight out, cos you
would not get that.
But you apparantly also do not get it another way.
So the conclusion is :
You most definately have no clue what die daily means.
And the comment about beginners i leave aside.
(beginning = initiation, so continuously beginning is ?)
Nuby.
Absorbed
As I said, what I think "die daily" means is irrelevant to how I pointed
out how you claimed to be leaving alt.magick then returned a month
later. What part of this don't you understand?
> Then i kinda tell you what it means, ofcourse not straight out, cos you
> would not get that.
You cannot say it straight out because there is nothing to get. You're a
fool, a "nuby", a beginner in magick.
> But you apparantly also do not get it another way.
>
> So the conclusion is :
> You most definately have no clue what die daily means.
I thought you were going to give an obfuscated explanation of what "die
daily" means? Somewhere between your intention to tell me and the above
two sentences that explanation morphed into an adamant declaration that
I don't understand. This is more evidence for your inability to stick to
your intentions, and for how confused and noisy your mind is.
> And the comment about beginners i leave aside.
> (beginning = initiation, so continuously beginning is ?)
Evasion noted.
> Nuby.
What makes me a nuby and you *not* a nuby?
Absorbed
> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Bassos wrote:
>>> I am a beginner in showing patience for fools. (self evident in my
>>> alt.magick postings)
>> You are the fool.
>
> Ofcourse.
This is a rare case of honesty from you, Bassos.
> Where you thinking something else ?
Nope.
> How silly of you.
I don't think so.
> But more to the point :
> Why are you *not* "the Fool" ?
Because I don't have a pathological inability to understand arguments
contrary to my own.
Bassos
This is one part of why you do not understand what die daily means.
>> Then i kinda tell you what it means, ofcourse not straight out, cos you
>> would not get that.
>
> You cannot say it straight out because there is nothing to get. You're a
> fool, a "nuby", a beginner in magick.
I actually did say it straight out.
>> But you apparantly also do not get it another way.
>>
>> So the conclusion is :
>> You most definately have no clue what die daily means.
>
> I thought you were going to give an obfuscated explanation of what "die
> daily" means?
It is because you do not understand.
>> And the comment about beginners i leave aside.
>> (beginning = initiation, so continuously beginning is ?)
>
> Evasion noted.
Lack of comprehension noted.
(how much more specific do you want me to get ?)
>> Nuby.
>
> What makes me a nuby and you *not* a nuby?
Self evident.
Nuby's might not understand this.
Bassos
> Bassos wrote:
>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:gap4va$t1j$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Bassos wrote:
>>>> I am a beginner in showing patience for fools. (self evident in my
>>>> alt.magick postings)
>>> You are the fool.
>>
>> Ofcourse.
>
> This is a rare case of honesty from you, Bassos.
Ah, continuing the nuby case.
>> Where you thinking something else ?
>
> Nope.
Liar.
>> How silly of you.
>
> I don't think so.
Yes you do.
Liar.
>> But more to the point :
>> Why are you *not* "the Fool" ?
>
> Because I don't have a pathological inability to understand arguments
> contrary to my own.
There you go demonstrating your inability to get it.
Absorbed
Repeatedly stating over and over that I don't understand without any
explanation suggests that your claim is without substance.
>>> Then i kinda tell you what it means, ofcourse not straight out, cos you
>>> would not get that.
>> You cannot say it straight out because there is nothing to get. You're a
>> fool, a "nuby", a beginner in magick.
>
> I actually did say it straight out.
No, you didn't. Where do you think you said it straight out?
>>> But you apparantly also do not get it another way.
>>>
>>> So the conclusion is :
>>> You most definately have no clue what die daily means.
>> I thought you were going to give an obfuscated explanation of what "die
>> daily" means?
>
> It is because you do not understand.
So you believe I thought you were going to give an obfuscated
explanation because I don't understand, rather than because of the more
obvious reason that I read your post stating you're going to "tell [me]
what it means"?
>>> And the comment about beginners i leave aside.
>>> (beginning = initiation, so continuously beginning is ?)
>> Evasion noted.
>
> Lack of comprehension noted.
> (how much more specific do you want me to get ?)
Further evasion noted.
>>> Nuby.
>> What makes me a nuby and you *not* a nuby?
>
> Self evident.
> Nuby's might not understand this.
The reason you give no explanation and instead just state that I don't
understand or that your claims are self-evident is because your claims
have no substance. You're just one of the many bullshitters who dare not
question their treasured beliefs.
Absorbed
> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Bassos wrote:
>>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gap4va$t1j$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Bassos wrote:
>>>>> I am a beginner in showing patience for fools. (self evident in my
>>>>> alt.magick postings)
>>>> You are the fool.
>>> Ofcourse.
>> This is a rare case of honesty from you, Bassos.
>
> Ah, continuing the nuby case.
>
>>> Where you thinking something else ?
>> Nope.
>
> Liar.
Nope.
>>> How silly of you.
>> I don't think so.
>
> Yes you do.
> Liar.
No, I don't. Should I feel silly because you've decided to interpret
"the fool" to mean something other than the common meaning?
>>> But more to the point :
>>> Why are you *not* "the Fool" ?
>> Because I don't have a pathological inability to understand arguments
>> contrary to my own.
>
> There you go demonstrating your inability to get it.
Words don't have correct definitions, but only the definitions we as
individuals attribute to them. If you wish to give "the fool" an
alternate meaning because of a desire to convince yourself of how clever
you are by referring to the Tarot, then that's your affair. It would be
no different if I suddenly started interpreting "nuby" to be a great
compliment and stating that you don't understand what a great compliment
it is.
Tom
>
> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
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>>>
>>
>>> magick, and all related subjects, up to and including everything.
>>
>> Then it seems sort of silly for you to deride what I was saying as
>> "beginner stuff". Clearly it was entirely relevant to you in particular.
>> Which is why you should pay more attention to it rather than less.
>
> I see the part where i explained how every human can be nothing else than
> a beginner completely eluded you.
In which case you are saying that what I posted (what you called "beginner
stuff") is relevant to every human being on the planet. And yet, you seem
to think that I should not post something relevant to everybody, yourself
included.
> You can grind me into details no problem,
Of course it's not a problem. Your almost total lack of attention to detail
is one of your biggest failures, so grinding you on it is not at all
difficult.
Tom
> Bassos wrote:
>>
>> This thing about you not getting what die daily means,
>
> As I said, what I think "die daily" means is irrelevant to how I pointed
> out how you claimed to be leaving alt.magick then returned a month later.
> What part of this don't you understand?
The part where he's making himself look ridiculous, undisciplined,
unintelligent, and juvenile. He just can't bring himself to understand that
part..
>> So the conclusion is :
>> You most definately have no clue what die daily means.
>
> I thought you were going to give an obfuscated explanation of what "die
> daily" means?
In this case, it means that he wants to parade his lack of discipline and
resolve as if it was wisdom.
Meltdarok
It's really difficult for some to fathom that the entire Universe is our
larger body.
--
meltdarok
http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
http://www.mediafire.com/?9bmgyggtlx7
Tom
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>
> It's really difficult for some to fathom that the entire Universe is our
> larger body.
There goes Melty, trying to eat the universe again. What a very, very big
appetite.
Absorbed
He seems to resolve everything he says as wisdom.
Rev. Red Hot Lava
> "Meltdarok" <meltda...@aol.com> wrote in message
i tried a planet and got indigestion... a whole universe that takes
some GUT's
Tom
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And a very big mouth.
Rev. Red Hot Lava
> "Rev. Red Hot Lava" <zevillkaa...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:4e6aa656-5070-4ef1...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 18, 11:16 am, "Tom" <dantPAYATTENTIONo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> There goes Melty, trying to eat the universe again. What a very, very big
> >> appetite.
>
> > i tried a planet and got indigestion... a whole universe that takes
> > some GUT's
>
> And a very big mouth.
point taken
Meltdarok
Now that rings a bell.
Tom
> Tom wrote, On 9/18/2008 11:16 AM:
>>
>> "Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:FxmAk.127977$6p1....@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>
>>> It's really difficult for some to fathom that the entire Universe is our
>>> larger body.
>>
>> There goes Melty, trying to eat the universe again. What a very, very
>> big appetite.
>
> Now that rings a bell.
One can only hope it's a bell of mindfulness.
Meltdarok
>
> "Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Tom wrote, On 9/18/2008 11:16 AM:
>>>
>>> "Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:FxmAk.127977$6p1....@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>
>>>> It's really difficult for some to fathom that the entire Universe is
>>>> our
>>>> larger body.
>>>
>>> There goes Melty, trying to eat the universe again. What a very,
>>> very big appetite.
>>
>> Now that rings a bell.
>
> One can only hope it's a bell of mindfulness.
Psalms 8:3-9
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the
stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of
him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made
him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and
honor. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands;
thou hast put all things under his feet: 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and
the beasts of the field; 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea,
and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. 9 O [JEHOVAH] our
Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
Zodhiates, S., & Baker, W. (2000, c1991, c1994). The complete word study
Bible : King James Version.
Bassos
> individuals attribute to them. If you wish to give "the fool" an alternate
> meaning because of a desire to convince yourself of how clever you are by
> referring to the Tarot, then that's your affair. It would be no different
> if I suddenly started interpreting "nuby" to be a great compliment and
> stating that you don't understand what a great compliment it is.
Go ahead.
Do some magick for a change (...)
Make the word nuby when directed at you mean something grand.
Bassos
> Tom wrote:
>>
> He seems to resolve everything he says as wisdom.
Now why don't you regard every experience as a direct interaction of the
universe with your soul ?
It doesn't matter if you formally make an oath to do so or not.
The universe is already, constantly talking to your soul, whether you choose
to acknowledge it or not.
So now review your statement in that light.
Combined with my claim that all we can do is begin.
Bassos
>
> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:48d1661e$0$2970$e4fe...@dreader12.news.xs4all.nl...
>>
>> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:VsednXtzT_ZqwE3V...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
>>> news:48d003c7$0$3040$e4fe...@dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I am a beginner in anything relating to the study and practise of
>>>> magick, and all related subjects, up to and including everything.
>>>
>>> Then it seems sort of silly for you to deride what I was saying as
>>> "beginner stuff". Clearly it was entirely relevant to you in
>>> particular. Which is why you should pay more attention to it rather than
>>> less.
>>
>> I see the part where i explained how every human can be nothing else than
>> a beginner completely eluded you.
>
> In which case you are saying that what I posted (what you called "beginner
> stuff") is relevant to every human being on the planet.
Not everybody is beginning the same thing.
It seems the concept of essential identity and focus of attention eluded
you.
So yes, i begin every day.
That does not mean that is the same thing everyday.
Even with our limited understanding of even the range of the things we
cannot conceive, within our relatively limited sphere of thinking, we can
make distinctions into areas people are currently beginning in.
You might try a bit more lightfooted stuff, jumping between planes withing
sentences.
Who knows, it might be funny.
> And yet, you seem to think that I should not post something relevant to
> everybody, yourself included.
Nice straw man.
>> You can grind me into details no problem,
>
> Of course it's not a problem.
Indeed.
SixthtySixthSix
I like nuubie. The most consistently presented form of the word, as
spelled, is 'newbie'. ...but then again, I could really care less for the
compensatory name-calling and self-stroking that the word implies.
I think I'll killfile Absorbed.
SixthtySixthSix
> Psalms 8:3-9
> 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the
> stars, which thou hast ordained;
> 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou
> visitest him?
> 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned
> him with glory and honor.
> 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast
> put all things under his feet:
> 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
> 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth
> through the paths of the seas.
> 9 O [JEHOVAH] our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
i despise people who try to preach to me. i especially despise people who
condemn me in the name of religion. it is not that i cannot justify
biblical religion as worthy of majick, it is only that i simply cannot
stomach the ludicrous advance that biblical religion is worthy at all.
You and I differ in opinion, and I am not willing to change... and I must
killfile you.
Bassos
"SixthtySixthSix" <Sixthty...@ATT.NET> wrote in message
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There are a number of different spellings for newbie.
Noob. (derogatory)
Newb. (derogatory)
N00b. (l33t speak)
Newbie (actual classification of someone new to something)
Nuby. (can be derogatory, can be friendly)
Some more are used, but for now, this will suffice.
Meltdarok
> "Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com>
>> Psalms 8:3-9
>> 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the
>> stars, which thou hast ordained;
>> 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou
>> visitest him?
>> 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned
>> him with glory and honor.
>> 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast
>> put all things under his feet:
>> 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
>> 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth
>> through the paths of the seas.
>> 9 O [JEHOVAH] our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
>
> i despise people who try to preach to me.
Preach? I'm pointing out an Archetype.
> i especially despise people who
> condemn me in the name of religion.
Condemn you? What the Hell are you on about?
> it is not that i cannot justify
> biblical religion as worthy of [magick], it is only that i simply cannot
> stomach the ludicrous advance that biblical religion is worthy at all.
>
Have you even memorized the Torah yet? I thought not, few here have
(including myself).
> You and I differ in opinion,
What? That the ancients explained cosmology with a limited amount of
information?
> and I am not willing to change... and I must
> killfile you.
Bye.
Absorbed
> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gas6fp$uua$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Bssos wrote:
>>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> Words don't have correct definitions, but only the definitions we as
>> individuals attribute to them. If you wish to give "the fool" an alternate
>> meaning because of a desire to convince yourself of how clever you are by
>> referring to the Tarot, then that's your affair. It would be no different
>> if I suddenly started interpreting "nuby" to be a great compliment and
>> stating that you don't understand what a great compliment it is.
>
> Go ahead.
> Do some magick for a change (...)
> Make the word nuby when directed at you mean something grand.
Everyone and their dog can interpret the word nuby to mean something
grand. The point is that when you used the word nuby to describe me you
didn't intend it to mean something grand. Equally, when I said "You are
the fool." or "you're a beginner in magick", it wasn't a compliment, but
you still pretty much interpreted both to be compliments. The funny
thing is that you knew they weren't intended as compliments, but as you
have no wish to actually debate your treasure beliefs, you still
interpreted them as compliments. It's because you're a coward.
Absorbed
This is hilarious. So if you said "2 + 2 = 5" would that be wisdom? What
you're trying to do here is reinterpret the meaning of wisdom. You're
trying to say that everything is wisdom, just as everyone is a beginner
and "you are the fool" is a great compliment. You're a complete fucking
coward. Everything I say you reinterpret to defend your precious ego.
Bassos
You nuby you.
Bassos
> Bassos wrote:
>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:gas6fp$uua$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Bssos wrote:
>>>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> Words don't have correct definitions, but only the definitions we as
>>> individuals attribute to them. If you wish to give "the fool" an
>>> alternate meaning because of a desire to convince yourself of how clever
>>> you are by referring to the Tarot, then that's your affair. It would be
>>> no different if I suddenly started interpreting "nuby" to be a great
>>> compliment and stating that you don't understand what a great compliment
>>> it is.
>>
>> Go ahead.
>> Do some magick for a change (...)
>> Make the word nuby when directed at you mean something grand.
>
> Everyone and their dog can interpret the word nuby to mean something
> grand.
I am not asking about anyone.
I am asking about you.
Hell, i even helped you.
You nuby you.
<snip you really do have no clue about what die daily means>
Absorbed
> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gb0mh9$l16$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Bassos wrote:
>>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gas6fp$uua$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Bssos wrote:
>>>>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> Words don't have correct definitions, but only the definitions we as
>>>> individuals attribute to them. If you wish to give "the fool" an
>>>> alternate meaning because of a desire to convince yourself of how clever
>>>> you are by referring to the Tarot, then that's your affair. It would be
>>>> no different if I suddenly started interpreting "nuby" to be a great
>>>> compliment and stating that you don't understand what a great compliment
>>>> it is.
>>> Go ahead.
>>> Do some magick for a change (...)
>>> Make the word nuby when directed at you mean something grand.
>> Everyone and their dog can interpret the word nuby to mean something
>> grand.
>
> I am not asking about anyone.
> I am asking about you.
>
> Hell, i even helped you.
The idea that anyone needs help to apply meaning to a symbol is
ludicrious. I've always thought goats were grand, so for this post I'll
interpret nuby to mean goat.
> You nuby you.
I'm not a goat.
> <snip you really do have no clue about what die daily means>
Another empty claim. You should consider what I said about your
interpretation of words, as you've done with "beginner", "fool" and
"wisdom" over the course of this exchange. Until you try to communicate
with people you're going to learn little from such exchanges. I suspect
there may be a problem with your ability to interpret language; maybe
it's because English isn't your first language, or maybe it's something
deeper.
Bassos
You nuby you.
"Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gb0toj$2fq$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
Zomg.
The help to the symbol of the cross surely was insignificant.
You nuby.
> I've always thought goats were grand, so for this post I'll interpret nuby
> to mean goat.
There ya go, demonstrating once again that you have no clue about what die
daily means.
>> You nuby you.
>
> I'm not a goat.
Indeed.
You are a nuby.
>> <snip you really do have no clue about what die daily means>
>
> Another empty claim.
It only seems empty to you.
This is because you have no clue about what die daily means.
Absorbed
I starting to wonder if you can actually comprehend what I'm saying.
>> I've always thought goats were grand, so for this post I'll interpret nuby
>> to mean goat.
>
> There ya go, demonstrating once again that you have no clue about what die
> daily means.
As far as I can tell you attribute this empty claim to almost everything
I state. I can do this too: watch...
>>> You nuby you.
>> I'm not a goat.
>
> Indeed.
Here you're demonstrating your inability to understand what "die daily"
means.
> You are a nuby.
Further evidence that you don't understand what "die daily" means.
>>> <snip you really do have no clue about what die daily means>
>> Another empty claim.
>
> It only seems empty to you.
It's empty because you haven't provided any substance. You cannot
appreciate this because you don't understand what "die daily" means.
> This is because you have no clue about what die daily means.
You only think that because *you* don't understand what "die daily" means.
Tom
> "Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com>
>> Psalms 8:3-9
>> 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the
>> stars, which thou hast ordained;
>> 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that
>> thou visitest him?
>> 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned
>> him with glory and honor.
>> 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast
>> put all things under his feet:
>> 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
>> 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth
>> through the paths of the seas.
>> 9 O [JEHOVAH] our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
>
> i despise people who try to preach to me.
Preachers hate competition.
> i especially despise people who condemn me in the name of religion.
While you're busy condemning others because of religion.
> You and I differ in opinion, and I am not willing to change... and I must
> killfile you.
Because any possibility of your changing is intolerable. You want to stay
the same forever.
Tom
>
> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B76dnRPR9sFYX0zV...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
>> news:48d1661e$0$2970$e4fe...@dreader12.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>
>>> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:VsednXtzT_ZqwE3V...@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
>>>> news:48d003c7$0$3040$e4fe...@dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am a beginner in anything relating to the study and practise of
>>>>> magick, and all related subjects, up to and including everything.
>>>>
>>>> Then it seems sort of silly for you to deride what I was saying as
>>>> "beginner stuff". Clearly it was entirely relevant to you in
>>>> particular. Which is why you should pay more attention to it rather
>>>> than less.
>>>
>>> I see the part where i explained how every human can be nothing else
>>> than a beginner completely eluded you.
>>
>> In which case you are saying that what I posted (what you called
>> "beginner stuff") is relevant to every human being on the planet.
>
> Not everybody is beginning the same thing.
Since you claim that every human can be nothing else than a beginner, then
every human must be beginning everything all the time. It's merely a
question of what you choose to begin at the moment. Claiming that something
should not be posted because it's "beginner stuff" is patently nonsensical,
since everything is "beginner stuff". I think the ludicrous posturing
you're doing may be your reaction to your frustrated desire to stop posting
to alt.magick. Since you personally cannot stop yourself from reading and
posting to alt.magick, despite your stated desire to do so, it seems like
the only thing left to you is to insist that nobody else post here either,
which will (you hope) relieve you of the urge to read and respond.
Rev. Red Hot Lava
> "SixthtySixthSix" <SixthtySixth...@ATT.NET> wrote in message
>
> news:2aQAk.1012$yr3...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> > "Meltdarok" <meltda...@aol.com>
> >> Psalms 8:3-9
> >> 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the
> >> stars, which thou hast ordained;
> >> 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that
> >> thou visitest him?
> >> 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned
> >> him with glory and honor.
> >> 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast
> >> put all things under his feet:
> >> 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
> >> 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth
> >> through the paths of the seas.
> >> 9 O [JEHOVAH] our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
>
> > i despise people who try to preach to me.
>
> Preachers hate competition.
I love competition, it's the best way of getting information without
actually having to...
Then again I also give out a lot, point in fact, just to get the game
on with.
>
> > i especially despise people who condemn me in the name of religion.
>
> While you're busy condemning others because of religion.
Religion is to be bound again, to be bound to... try out some BDSM
it's binding as well
>
> > You and I differ in opinion, and I am not willing to change... and I must
> > killfile you.
>
> Because any possibility of your changing is intolerable. You want to stay
> the same forever.
Perhaps for a while? Don't necessarily PUT words in another's mouth,
unless they ask you too... that's what momma taught me anyways
Rev. Red Hot Lava
> "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
>
> news:48d3ccdd$0$3040$e4fe...@dreader17.news.xs4all.nl...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tom" <dantPAYATTENTIONo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:B76dnRPR9sFYX0zV...@comcast.com...
>
> >> "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> >>news:48d1661e$0$2970$e4fe...@dreader12.news.xs4all.nl...
>
> >>> "Tom" <dantPAYATTENTIONo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:VsednXtzT_ZqwE3V...@comcast.com...
>
> >>>> "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> >>>>news:48d003c7$0$3040$e4fe...@dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>
> >>>>> I am a beginner in anything relating to the study and practise of
> >>>>> magick, and all related subjects, up to and including everything.
>
> >>>> Then it seems sort of silly for you to deride what I was saying as
> >>>> "beginner stuff". Clearly it was entirely relevant to you in
> >>>> particular. Which is why you should pay more attention to it rather
> >>>> than less.
>
> >>> I see the part where i explained how every human can be nothing else
> >>> than a beginner completely eluded you.
>
> >> In which case you are saying that what I posted (what you called
> >> "beginner stuff") is relevant to every human being on the planet.
>
> > Not everybody is beginning the same thing.
>
> Since you claim that every human can be nothing else than a beginner, then
> every human must be beginning everything all the time. It's merely a
> question of what you choose to begin at the moment. Claiming that something
> should not be posted because it's "beginner stuff" is patently nonsensical,
> since everything is "beginner stuff". I think the ludicrous posturing
> you're doing may be your reaction to your frustrated desire to stop posting
> to alt.magick. Since you personally cannot stop yourself from reading and
> posting to alt.magick, despite your stated desire to do so, it seems like
> the only thing left to you is to insist that nobody else post here either,
> which will (you hope) relieve you of the urge to read and respond.
maybe alt.magick.bassos would be a good idea, a place for bassos to
get his mind settled... I have alt.djinn after all
Bassos
> Bassos wrote:
>> Okay fine, i will answer you in a way you might comprehend.
>>
>> You nuby you.
Failure to apprehend options opened up to you noted.
Is it my eyes, or have you reverted to ......
(I starting)
>>> I've always thought goats were grand, so for this post I'll interpret
>>> nuby to mean goat.
>>
>> There ya go, demonstrating once again that you have no clue about what
>> die daily means.
>
> As far as I can tell you attribute this empty claim to almost everything I
> state. I can do this too: watch...
Indeed, let see if you can.
>>>> You nuby you.
>>> I'm not a goat.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> Here you're demonstrating your inability to understand what "die daily"
> means.
It is the bit of finesse to post it when it is appropriate, too bad, nuby.
>> You are a nuby.
>
> Further evidence that you don't understand what "die daily" means.
>
>>>> <snip you really do have no clue about what die daily means>
>>> Another empty claim.
>>
>> It only seems empty to you.
>
> It's empty because you haven't provided any substance. You cannot
> appreciate this because you don't understand what "die daily" means.
It is the bit of finesse to post it when it is appropriate, too bad, nuby.
>> This is because you have no clue about what die daily means.
>
> You only think that because *you* don't understand what "die daily" means.
It is the bit of finesse to post it when it is appropriate, too bad, nuby.
See how my bit of finesse actually did adress your nuby points ?
Bassos
>
> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:48d3ccdd$0$3040$e4fe...@dreader17.news.xs4all.nl...
>>
>> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:B76dnRPR9sFYX0zV...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
>>> news:48d1661e$0$2970$e4fe...@dreader12.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>>
>>>> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:VsednXtzT_ZqwE3V...@comcast.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
>>>>> news:48d003c7$0$3040$e4fe...@dreader18.news.xs4all.nl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a beginner in anything relating to the study and practise of
>>>>>> magick, and all related subjects, up to and including everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then it seems sort of silly for you to deride what I was saying as
>>>>> "beginner stuff". Clearly it was entirely relevant to you in
>>>>> particular. Which is why you should pay more attention to it rather
>>>>> than less.
>>>>
>>>> I see the part where i explained how every human can be nothing else
>>>> than a beginner completely eluded you.
>>>
>>> In which case you are saying that what I posted (what you called
>>> "beginner stuff") is relevant to every human being on the planet.
>>
>> Not everybody is beginning the same thing.
>
<snip rest because you only demonstrate you did not use the content of my
previous post>
Nice way to foolishly try to troll, tom.
My usage of beginner had completely nothing to do whatsoever with your usage
of the term.
(And you know this, but chose to use it anyway....)
Then again with the straw man.
Sheesh.
Run out of real arguments ?
Tom
>
> <snip rest because you only demonstrate you did not use the content of my
> previous post>
"I see the part where i explained how every human can be nothing else than
a beginner"
Well, apparently you don't see that part anymore, what with it busting you
so thoroughly.
> My usage of beginner had completely nothing to do whatsoever with your
> usage of the term.
"Beginner stuff" you said. "Every human being can be nothing else than a
beginner" you said.
HG
> Bassos wrote:
> > <snip you really do have no clue about what die daily means>
>
> Another empty claim. You should consider what I said about your
> interpretation of words, as you've done with "beginner", "fool" and "wisdom"
> over the course of this exchange. Until you try to communicate with people
> you're going to learn little from such exchanges. I suspect there may be a
> problem with your ability to interpret language; maybe it's because English
> isn't your first language, or maybe it's something deeper.
It's something deeper. English is not my first language either. Do you have
any problems communicating with me?
No, I think it's because of his attitude of "I am the Enlightened Emperor of
the Universe, here to dispense Pearls of my Immortal Wisdom to you pathetic
noobs." Because of that he can't learn anything, since learning requires one
to admit one doesn't know something. And he's mortally, pathologically
afraid of appearing inferior. In anything.
If you told him the word is spelled "break" instead of "brake", I bet he'd
call you a nuby and continue to use his spelling.
HG
HG
> You and I differ in opinion, and I am not willing to change... and I must
> killfile you.
Keep up with the killfiling.
Pretty soon you'll have killfiled everyone on alt.magick who has ever
disagreed with you.
Then this group will be just the way you like it - all you'll ever hear will
be the echoes of your own voice...
HG
P.S.
Can you killfile me as well, please? I'd be honored if you did.
SixthtySixthSix
"HG" <h...@iki.fi> wrote in message
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I killfile people that consist as regards antagonistic,
defamatory-slur-typical responses that are in-lieu of posting on-topic...
To be legitimate, I have been considering killfiling you; if you prefer, I
will afford you choice of commission as regards a cointoss, since you'd
prefer to be killfiled.
Absorbed
You are quick to point out that my claim that you don't understand
doesn't mean you don't understand, yet you expect your claim to be
believed purely because you stated it. Let me give you an example of the
lack of substance to your claim.
I tried to explain to you how your claims were irrelevant:
"As I said, what I think "die daily" means is irrelevant to how I
pointed out how you claimed to be leaving alt.magick then returned a
month later. What part of this don't you understand?"
You replied:
"This is one part of why you do not understand what die daily means."
I provided explanation supporting my claim that what you said was
irrelevant, and you replied by simply repeating your claim. Can you not
see how repeating your claim doesn't provide any substance to support
your claim?
Let me attempt to explain to you why your claim is irrelevant again, and
this time try to reply with substance rather than just repeating
yourself like a parrot.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/msg/f11bd642c898f7ba
In this post you claimed that you were leaving alt.magick.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/msg/b84a6de05cd5123f
In this post you returned to alt.magick.
When I reminded you of these two events and suggested that "It now seems
that that intention is completely forgotten." you replied stating that
"You apparantly have no clue what die daily means." You're strangely
suggesting that by simply bringing up these events I'm demonstrating an
inability to understand a concept, which is patent nonsense. These
events happened, and that's that. You might have a perfectly valid
excuse for having broken your intention -- perhaps someone put a gun to
your head and forced you to post -- but that doesn't change the fact
that you intended to leave and then returned.
Absorbed
> Absorbed <purestd...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> Bassos wrote:
>>> <snip you really do have no clue about what die daily means>
>> Another empty claim. You should consider what I said about your
>> interpretation of words, as you've done with "beginner", "fool" and "wisdom"
>> over the course of this exchange. Until you try to communicate with people
>> you're going to learn little from such exchanges. I suspect there may be a
>> problem with your ability to interpret language; maybe it's because English
>> isn't your first language, or maybe it's something deeper.
>
>
> It's something deeper. English is not my first language either. Do you have
> any problems communicating with me?
No, but you have a good grasp of English. It would have been more
accurate to attribute the blame to his poor English rather than on it
being his second language. I think that could be the reason, or it could
be some sort of inability with language generally, in a sort of brain
malfunctioning sense -- that's what I meant by something deeper.
> No, I think it's because of his attitude of "I am the Enlightened Emperor of
> the Universe, here to dispense Pearls of my Immortal Wisdom to you pathetic
> noobs." Because of that he can't learn anything, since learning requires one
> to admit one doesn't know something. And he's mortally, pathologically
> afraid of appearing inferior. In anything.
I think this is the case, just like Archie, but there is an additional
communication barrier with Bassos.
Tom
>
> I killfile people that consist as regards antagonistic,
> defamatory-slur-typical responses that are in-lieu of posting on-topic...
Then you'll be killfiling yourself.
zimz...@gmail.com
> Bassos wrote:
> > "Absorbed" <purestdeform...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:gart0s$o8p$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> Bassos wrote:
> >>> "Absorbed" <purestdeform...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:gap4va$t1j$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>>> Bassos wrote:
> >>>>> I am a beginner in showing patience for fools. (self evident in my
> >>>>> alt.magick postings)
> >>>> You are the fool.
> >>> Ofcourse.
> >> This is a rare case of honesty from you, Bassos.
>
> > Ah, continuing the nuby case.
>
> >>> Where you thinking something else ?
> >> Nope.
>
> > Liar.
>
> Nope.
>
> >>> How silly of you.
> >> I don't think so.
>
> > Yes you do.
> > Liar.
>
> No, I don't. Should I feel silly because you've decided to interpret
> "the fool" to mean something other than the common meaning?
>
> >>> But more to the point :
> >>> Why are you *not* "the Fool" ?
> >> Because I don't have a pathological inability to understand arguments
> >> contrary to my own.
>
> > There you go demonstrating your inability to get it.
>
> Words don't have correct definitions, but only the definitions we as
> individuals attribute to them. If you wish to give "the fool" an
> alternate meaning because of a desire to convince yourself of how clever
> you are by referring to the Tarot, then that's your affair. It would be
> no different if I suddenly started interpreting "nuby" to be a great
> compliment and stating that you don't understand what a great compliment
> it is.
enter the fool............Triboulet from Gargantua and Pantagruel
by Rabelais
i'll just make no sense at all, but...........won't you agree we need
some comic/poetic release here
have you decided what you are right about? now adopt the opposite
point of view, and continue
SixthtySixthSix
>>>>>> "Absorbed" <purestdeform...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl>
>>>> "Absorbed" <purestdeform...@hotmail.com>
>>> "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl>
>> "Absorbed" <purestdeform...@hotmail.com>
<zimz...@gmail.com>
> (from Gargantua and Pantagruel by Rabelais)
> enter the fool Triboulet...
> i'll just make no sense at all, but... won't you agree we need some
> comic/poetic release here? have you decided what you are right about?
> now adopt the opposite point of view, and continue...
Oh, oh such fun! Can I play the part of... (flips coin) ..."Absorbed"
<purestdeform...@hotmail.com> as a derivative of this game? Oh (thinking
about character development), i can consist as regards the mispelling of
'nuby' and condescentively, blatantly declare fools... I could even wait
for responses to my responses to read what I've posted, as I have "Absorbed"
<purestdeform...@hotmail.com> killfiled! Game for points?
HG
> "HG" <h...@iki.fi> wrote in message
> news:m363oqa...@nothung.homelinux.net...
> > "SixthtySixthSix" <Sixthty...@ATT.NET> writes:
> >
> >> You and I differ in opinion, and I am not willing to change... and I must
> >> killfile you.
> >
> > Keep up with the killfiling.
> >
> > Pretty soon you'll have killfiled everyone on alt.magick who has ever
> > disagreed with you.
> >
> > Then this group will be just the way you like it - all you'll ever hear
> > will
> > be the echoes of your own voice...
> >
> >
> > HG
> >
> > P.S.
> > Can you killfile me as well, please? I'd be honored if you did.
>
> I killfile people that consist as regards antagonistic,
> defamatory-slur-typical responses that are in-lieu of posting on-topic...
That's just slanderous bullshit you made up to make yourself feel better.
> To be legitimate, I have been considering killfiling you; if you prefer, I
> will afford you choice of commission as regards a cointoss, since you'd
> prefer to be killfiled.
My reason was that every single person you have loudly and publicly killfiled
is a person I respect and admire. I'd rather be counted among them than with
your idiot friends, thank you.
HG
SixthtySixthSix
Bassos
You are so devoid of comprehension, that even after it has been specifically
mentioned to you, you fail to grasp it.
Eediot.
Bassos
>
> No, but you have a good grasp of English. It would have been more accurate
> to attribute the blame to his poor English rather than on it being his
> second language.
So, even after someone tells you their english skills are not up to date,
You make it about me.
So :
Sore much ?
Nuby.
Bassos
>
> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:48d5540c$0$3194$e4fe...@dreader31.news.xs4all.nl...
>>
>> "Tom" <dantPAYATT...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:4cSdnUTFdtw9_knV...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you claim that every human can be nothing else than a beginner\
>>
>> <snip rest because you only demonstrate you did not use the content of my
>> previous post>
>
> "I see the part where i explained how every human can be nothing else than
> a beginner"
>
> Well, apparently you don't see that part anymore, what with it busting you
> so thoroughly.
Apparantly you did not read with comprehension.
As you increasingly tend to do with my posts.
Now go back and respond to what i wrote, before i have to rub your nose in
it again.
>> My usage of beginner had completely nothing to do whatsoever with your
>> usage of the term.
>
> "Beginner stuff" you said. "Every human being can be nothing else than a
> beginner" you said.
And i meant it.
And you failed to understand what i meant.
Aaah.
Jump planes faster mate.
It helps with understanding what i post.
(Well, if your intent is not at all to understand what i post feel free to
continue making an ass of yourself)
If all is ok, you making an ass of yourself would not matter to you.
Or would it ?
It does not for me.
Bassos
<zimz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:49c7f0c8-3586-4920...@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
enter the fool............
Bwuahahahahahaha.
It thinks the fool enters here, bwuagagagagagagaga
(yes g instead of h)
Absorbed
I've given you a chance to substantiate your claims, yet you've
declined. You're a poser who's claims are hallow and completely devoid
of credibility.
Absorbed
It's nice of you to jump in and demonstrate your lack of comprehension.
HG was actually criticizing my English by saying that English is his
second language and he can communicate with myself fine, compared to you
who cannot. I then clarified what I meant by my statement.
Absorbed
All you need now is a pacifier.
Absorbed
While it's obvious that you consider your claims hallow, I meant to type
hollow.
Bassos
I forgive you
Bassos
I forgive you
Bassos
>
> I've given you a chance to substantiate your claims, yet you've declined.
> You're a poser who's claims are hallow and completely devoid of
> credibility.
(even though this is bourderline silly)
I forgive you.
Absorbed
> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gb6ou2$smq$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Bassos wrote:
>>> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gb40g9$90q$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> No, but you have a good grasp of English. It would have been more
>>>> accurate to attribute the blame to his poor English rather than on it
>>>> being his second language.
>>> So, even after someone tells you their english skills are not up to date,
>>> You make it about me.
>> It's nice of you to jump in and demonstrate your lack of comprehension. HG
>> was actually criticizing my English by saying that English is his second
>> language and he can communicate with myself fine, compared to you who
>> cannot. I then clarified what I meant by my statement.
>
> I forgive you
Forgive me for what? It was you who failed to comprehend the short
exchange between me and HG. It's therefore you to read above. Or maybe
you accept it and will claim to be purposefully acting foolishly.
Do you see what an idiot you've been reduced to?
Meltdarok
> SixthtySixthSix wrote, On 9/19/2008 12:10 PM:
>> "Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com>
>>> Psalms 8:3-9
>>> 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and
>>> the stars, which thou hast ordained;
>>> 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that
>>> thou visitest him?
>>> 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast
>>> crowned him with glory and honor.
>>> 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou
>>> hast put all things under his feet:
>>> 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
>>> 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever
>>> passeth through the paths of the seas.
>>> 9 O [JEHOVAH] our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
>>
>> i despise people who try to preach to me.
>
> Preach? I'm pointing out an Archetype.
>
Here it is in the Egyptian Book of the Dead; The Papyrus of Ani:
(7) Who then is this?
It is Ra when at the beginning he rose in the city of Heracleopolis
Magna, crowned like a king in his rising. The pillars of the god Shu
were not as yet created, when he was upon the high ground of him that
dwelleth in Hermopolis Magna.
"I am the great god who gave birth to himself, even Nu, who made his
name to become the company of the gods as god."
Who then is this?
(14) It is Ra in his rising in the eastern horizon of heaven.
"I am Yesterday; I know today."
Who then is this?
>
>> You and I differ in opinion,
>
> What? That the ancients explained cosmology with a limited amount of
> information?
>
>> and I am not willing to change... and I must killfile you.
>
> Bye.
>
>>
>>
>
>
--
meltdarok
The careless mind makes problems where
there actually aren't any.
Then it struggles to change the world,
and not the mind itself.
http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
http://www.mediafire.com/?9bmgyggtlx7
Kisai
> Meltdarok wrote, On 9/19/2008 12:37 PM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > SixthtySixthSix wrote, On 9/19/2008 12:10 PM:
These are two very different passages. The psalm is little more than
prose. The Papyrus of Ani is describing the primality of the passage
of the sun as a time teller (Re) before the use of the rising and fall
of stars (Nut) or the limits of the equinoxes (pillars of Shu).
Henen-Neset (Herakleopolis Magna), was capital of Egypt in the 9th and
10th dynasties in the First Intermediate Period. By the time of the
Papyrus of Ani (19th Dynasty), it was little more than a mere town.
Its possible that this is merely a harkening back to earlier times, or
it could have political implications.
Meltdarok
Actually the imagery is quite clear, through the mists of time another
might say Christ, or Vishnu. As well as: here we are discussing this
passage and we aren't even the privileged elite few with the ability to
read. Heh, just a reminder.
Kisai
>
> Actually the imagery is quite clear, through the mists of time another
> might say Christ, or Vishnu. As well as: here we are discussing this
> passage and we aren't even the privileged elite few with the ability to
> read. Heh, just a reminder.
I didn't need a reminder. I already know that you've deluded yourself
to the point of no return. My observations are for the benefit of
others.
Those who enjoy studying religion will get a kick out of the
historical timeline of Egyptian mythology. You can follow how the
"chief creator" follows the city which becomes the ruling capital of
Egypt, rewriting and synthesizing the previous mythologies.
Meltdarok
> On Sep 24, 10:56 pm, Meltdarok <meltda...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually the imagery is quite clear, through the mists of time another
>> might say Christ, or Vishnu. As well as: here we are discussing this
>> passage and we aren't even the privileged elite few with the ability to
>> read. Heh, just a reminder.
>
> I didn't need a reminder.
The reminder wasn't for you.
> I already know that you've deluded yourself
> to the point of no return. My observations are for the benefit of
> others.
>
> Those who enjoy studying religion will get a kick out of the
> historical [time line] of Egyptian mythology. You can follow how the
> "chief creator" follows the city which becomes the ruling capital of
> Egypt, rewriting and synthesizing the previous mythologies.
>
Kisai
> Kisai wrote, On 9/25/2008 3:49 PM:
>
> > On Sep 24, 10:56 pm, Meltdarok <meltda...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> Actually the imagery is quite clear, through the mists of time another
> >> might say Christ, or Vishnu. As well as: here we are discussing this
> >> passage and we aren't even the privileged elite few with the ability to
> >> read. Heh, just a reminder.
>
> > I didn't need a reminder.
>
> The reminder wasn't for you.
Nobody else needs a reminder that you're barking loopy, either.
Meltdarok
It's been my experience that I need do nothing to have poor slobs like
yourself; with a deep psychological need, to crawl out of the woodwork
to be *another* rival of mine.
Next.
HG
> Kisai wrote, On 9/26/2008 3:16 PM:
> > On Sep 25, 5:59 pm, Meltdarok <meltda...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Kisai wrote, On 9/25/2008 3:49 PM:
> >>
> >>> On Sep 24, 10:56 pm, Meltdarok <meltda...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> Actually the imagery is quite clear, through the mists of time another
> >>>> might say Christ, or Vishnu. As well as: here we are discussing this
> >>>> passage and we aren't even the privileged elite few with the ability
> >>>> to read. Heh, just a reminder.
> >>> I didn't need a reminder.
> >> The reminder wasn't for you.
> > Nobody else needs a reminder that you're barking loopy, either.
>
> It's been my experience that I need do nothing to have poor slobs like
> yourself; with a deep psychological need, to crawl out of the woodwork to
> be *another* rival of mine. Next.
OK, I'll step up.
If someone calls you a "barking loopy", that doesn't mean they are your
rival. (And a rival at what?)
They can be a friend or a compassionate stranger, pointing out something you
have missed.
HG
Meltdarok
> Meltdarok <melt...@aol.com> writes:
I guess that when I find Kasai hiding, and seeing as how I've had the
actual chance (unfortunately for some) to meet compassionate people, an
alt.magick fake doesn't cut it at all metaphysically or typographically.
>
> HG