musings about the TOL (work in progress)
Bassos
I've been away a bit, and will return to being away quite soon.
In the meantime, i have been reading back some of my personal musings, and i
kinda liked one.
So feel free to tear apart these musings, cos at the moment i am to busy to
do enough research for this one.
here goes :
Musings
The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four identical
worlds.
They are just repetitions of what came before on a denser scale.
This bothers me.
Repetition seems like a sure fire way to end up in stagnation.
There are a myriad of different Tree's of Life out there, with different
forms, attributes, a big mess.
A big mess is very good for inducing confusion.
Confusion is good, it can be a road towards change.
(see me adding my bit of confusion, right here :P)
The most authoritive text on the tree of life is the sefer yetzirah.
In it, it is made quite clear that there are 3 singles, 7 doubles, and 12
singles.
Pretty much every rendition of the Tol also has 3 horizontal, 7 vertical,
and 12 diagonal connections/paths.
The connection with the planets.
The classic connection is saturn=binah, jupiter=chesed, mars=geburah,
sun=tiphareth, venus=netzach, mercury=hod, moon=yesod, malkuth=earth.
I would say that the above classification is pretty accurate, for assiah.
In Assiah, we see the universe from our viewpoint. It is the actual physical
world.
So apparent motion of them wanderers in the sky seems appropriate.
(would make uranus=chokma, neptune=kether; uranus is electricity, neptune is
the ocean of consciousness)
[here is the large gap in the progress]
For Atziluth, however, the 'actual situation', this would not do.
For Atziluth we look at the actual properties of our solar system.
The sun is the only thing in our solar system giving it life. (well, jupiter
emits more heath than it gets from the sun)
The sun can be seen as Kether, expanding a bubble in 'chaotic' space to
create life.
The magnetic field of mercury (strong for it's size) is produced by
fossilized magnetized material. It is a static field, not created from
moving liquid-metal like the earths. It is Thoth, the messenger, it is
chokma, the bringer of wisdom.
(mercury in it's highest aspect is pure wisdom)
Next we move to venus. Venus is weird in our solar system. It is the only
planet to rotate retrograde, and it rotates reaaaally slow. Venus, while
farther fom the sun than mercury has a hotter surface than mercury. This is
due to a continuous clouding of the planet in clouds of sulphuric acid. The
greenhouse effect this causes makes the surface hot, and the sulpuric acid
rains, make anything on the surface into a, well, generall mish mash of
reality :P == Binah.
For Venus her astrological meanings, Venus rules forms. The highest form of
Venus thus is the possibility of forms. (== Binah)
(venus being linked to beauty is because of the relation to form, we can
only appreciate beauty when it has some form. This form can also be highly
abstract)
Da'ath, the sephira that is not a sephira.
In this article I am equating the sephiroth with objects in our solar
system.
Mainly planets and the sun. (kether is quite a different sort of sphere than
any other)
A perfect candidate for Janus the gatekeeper is our moon.
It is not a planet vs it is not a sephira.
Da'ath represents knowledge. Pretty much the result of a decision.
The moon simply reflects what is chosen. (mainly the choices of our sun)
(Remember that we are talking Atziluth here, in Assiah it would be about
what other people do; what we experience, the moon being linked to our
senses and all)
You may ask why I start with sun and make merc/venus supernals.
A valid question.
In my reckoning, humanity, as a species, is in incarnate form restricted to
reaching the consciousness represented by chesed.
So, that makes planet earth Chesed
Pretty nice that in the sequence of the solar system, this is actually
provided for.
Now we have mars and geburah.
Mars still ruling force.
Well, seeing how it is the same rulership, I will skip explanations.
Tiphereth and Jupiter.
Jupiter is the biggest planet in our solar system.
It has 4 big moons, and a myriad of smaller ones.
It has a nice big dot on it. (the eye of jupiter, the current one is dying
out, but a new one has already been found, no speculation there :P)
The solar symbol is a circle. (woot woot kether)
The solar symbol with a dot in it signifies Tiphareth.
It is the soul seeing itself reflected.
Tiphareth in Atziluth is about happy go lucky like Jupiter is.
It expands what it touches.
Netzach and saturn.
Netzach is about forms.
Actualized forms.
In our daily lives that has far more to do with venus, cos we shape what we
like.
But in the solar system, there is no substitute for Saturn when it comes
down to materialized forms. Something apt I found online : (mark kampe,
printed without permission, which is acceptable for educational purposes :P)
"It is Netzach that will not be defeated, and that persists in the face of
frustrations. It is Netzach that cannot decline a challenge. It is Netzach
that awards and celebrates the victor's laurel crown."
Anyone who knows astrology knows that saturn is the one that gives rewards
after persistence.
Hod and Uranus.
Hod is about the knowledge about the structure, the classification of
things.
Uranus is about sudden insight, rebellion against form, about technical
things.
Think :"specs" (of computers, networks, idea's) all them specs exist
simultaniously in our solar system in Atziluth. All of the knowledge of all
the possible structures, this is uranus in atziluth.
Yesod and Neptune.
The easiest one.
Neptune is the sea of dreams, contrary to the moon's personal dreams.
Nothing can compare in appropriateness when thinking yesod in atziluth.
Malkuth, in atziluth, or the actual way it is.
It is not pluto, it cannot be only one object.
Luckily the outer band of our solar system is a junkpile of debris, all
floating around the sun.
There is nothing more suited for malkuth than this collected pile of debris.
(before the reader get's angry, think about what malkuth essentially stands
for; all the bits of differentiated matter.)
Feel free to flame as hard as you can, i will be watching this topic for
about a week.
(maybe longer if it gets interesting)
Meltdarok
It is interesting to note the hint of the TOL in the Bible in 1
Chronicles 29:11,
where there are five sefirot mentioned in exact order.
1 Chronicles 29:10-22 (KJV)
10 Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and
David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever
and ever. 11 Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the
glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven
and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art
exalted as head above all. 12 Both riches and honour come of thee,
and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and
in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all. 13
Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name.
14 But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to
offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and
of thine own have we given thee. 15 For we are strangers before
thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth
are as a shadow, and there is none abiding. 16 O LORD our God, all
this store that we have prepared to build thee an house for thine holy
name cometh of thine hand, and is all thine own. 17 I know also, my
God, that thou triest the heart, and hast pleasure in uprightness. As
for me, in the uprightness of mine heart I have willingly offered all
these things: and now have I seen with joy thy people, which are
present here, to offer willingly unto thee. 18 O LORD God of
Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, our fathers, keep this for ever in the
imagination of the thoughts of the heart of thy people, and prepare
their heart unto thee: 19 And give unto Solomon my son a perfect
heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes,
and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I
have made provision. 20 And David said to all the congregation, Now
bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God
of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD,
and the king. 21 And they sacrificed sacrifices unto the LORD, and
offered burnt offerings unto the LORD, on the morrow after that day,
even a thousand bullocks, a thousand rams, and a thousand lambs, with
their drink offerings, and sacrifices in abundance for all Israel: 22
And did eat and drink before the LORD on that day with great gladness.
And they made Solomon the son of David king the second time, and
anointed him unto the LORD to be the chief governor, and Zadok to be
priest.
--
meltdarok
http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
http://www.mediafire.com/?9bmgyggtlx7
mika
>
> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four identical
> worlds.
I have never come across a rendering in which the four worlds are
expressed as identical. Can you provide a link to at least one, if
not more?
> They are just repetitions of what came before on a denser scale.
If the scale is denser, then it is not identical. Perhaps you prefer
the distinction to be depicted in a less subtle manner.
> The most authoritive text on the tree of life is the sefer yetzirah.
>
> In it, it is made quite clear that there are 3 singles, 7 doubles, and 12
> singles.
Close. 3 mother letters, 7 double letters, and 12 simple or elemental
letters.
> In Assiah, we see the universe from our viewpoint.
We see the universe from our viewpoint in every world.
Bassos
"Meltdarok" <melt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 9, 4:07 am, "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
> It is interesting to note the hint of the TOL in the Bible in 1
> Chronicles 29:11,
> where there are five sefirot mentioned in exact order.
>
> 1 Chronicles 29:10-22 (KJV)
> 10 Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and
> David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever
> and ever.
>11 Thine, O LORD, is
1 :the greatness, and (chesed)
2 the power, and (geburah)
3 the glory, and (hod)
4 the victory, and (netzach)
5 the majesty: (tiphareth)
Doesn't seem to be in order at all.
For something completely different :
to me it is interesting that when god presented all the heirs to adam, david
was supposedly stillborn, and adam gave of his own 1000 years 70 to david.
Meltdarok
> For something completely different :
> to me it is interesting that when god presented all the heirs to adam, david
> was supposedly stillborn, and adam gave of his own 1000 years 70 to david.
That you would type this is strange. The person who would have been my
older brother was stillborn, there was none to gift him with 70 years
though.
Bassos
> On Apr 11, 1:54 am, "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
>> For something completely different :
>> to me it is interesting that when god presented all the heirs to adam,
>> david
>> was supposedly stillborn, and adam gave of his own 1000 years 70 to
>> david.
>
> That you would type this is strange. The person who would have been my
> older brother was stillborn, there was none to gift him with 70 years
> though.
It was sparked by the mentioning of david.
That part of the zohar just kinda touched me.
Bassos
"Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
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> Heyas,
>
> I've been away a bit, and will return to being away quite soon.
>
> In the meantime, i have been reading back some of my personal musings, and
> i kinda liked one.
>
> So feel free to tear apart these musings, cos at the moment i am to busy
> to > do enough research for this one.
>
> here goes :
> Musings
> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four identical
> > worlds.
> They are just repetitions of what came before on a denser scale.
>
> This bothers me.
> Repetition seems like a sure fire way to end up in stagnation.
>
> There are a myriad of different Tree's of Life out there, with different
> forms, attributes, a big mess.
>
> A big mess is very good for inducing confusion.
>
> Confusion is good, it can be a road towards change.
> (see me adding my bit of confusion, right here :P)
>
> The most authoritive text on the tree of life is the sefer yetzirah.
>
> single.
Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post, so
bump
Absorbed
> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post, so
> bump
Yes they did. Mika asked a cogent question which I'll repeat here.
You said:
> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four
> identical worlds. They are just repetitions of what came before on
> a denser scale.
How can one world be denser than another world if they're identical? If
they're identical, that implies that they're exactly the same in every
respect, including density.
You say one thing in your first musing, and then contradict yourself in
the very next sentence. In just two sentences you revealed that you're
still spouting the same old poorly-digested liquid mess.
Erwin Hessle
> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post, so
> bump
That's always been the problem with your "personal musings" - there
isn't any visible content.
Here's but one example out of many:
"For Atziluth we look at the actual properties of our solar system ...
In my reckoning, humanity, as a species, is in incarnate form
restricted to reaching the consciousness represented by chesed. So,
that makes planet earth Chesed."
See what I mean? This isn't "content" - it's merely random and
rambling gibberish, picking random thoughts out of your ass to
"justify" your random attributions. If I didn't know you better, I'd
find it hard to believe that you'd wasted so much time on this tripe
already.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Bassos
"Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bassos wrote:
>> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post,
>> so
>> bump
>
> Yes they did. Mika asked a cogent question which I'll repeat here.
Oh, mika, sorry, i don't read her posts.
> You said:
> > The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four
> > identical worlds. They are just repetitions of what came before on
> > a denser scale.
>
> How can one world be denser than another world if they're identical?
Shape.
> If they're identical, that implies that they're exactly the same in every
> respect, including density.
Oh noes, the idiot police is here.
> You say one thing in your first musing, and then contradict yourself in
> the very next sentence.
Heh, still sore, even after all this time, wow.
Bassos
"Erwin Hessle" <er...@erwinhessle.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 11, 5:00 pm, "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
>> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post,
>> so
>> bump
>
> That's always been the problem with your "personal musings" - there
> isn't any visible content.
>
> Here's but one example out of many:
>
> "For Atziluth we look at the actual properties of our solar system ...
> In my reckoning, humanity, as a species, is in incarnate form
> restricted to reaching the consciousness represented by chesed. So,
> that makes planet earth Chesed."
>
> See what I mean? This isn't "content" - it's merely random and
> rambling gibberish, picking random thoughts out of your ass to
> "justify" your random attributions.
well, you can look at it as justifications, sure.
You could also try and look at it to see the purpose of my changes.
Well, do you have an objection to me stating humanity in incarnate form is
restricted to reaching the conscioussnes represented by chesed ?
Or are you simply looking for something to kick at ?
> If I didn't know you better, I'd find it hard to believe that you'd wasted
> so much time on this tripe
> already.
Bah, still with the idiot filter approach, seems you are stuck in it.
Tom
>
> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ftopaf$jal$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Bassos wrote:
>>> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post,
>>> so
>>> bump
>>
>> Yes they did. Mika asked a cogent question which I'll repeat here.
>
> Oh, mika, sorry, i don't read her posts.
Oh, the things we fail to hear when we stop our ears.
>> You said:
>> > The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four
>> > identical worlds. They are just repetitions of what came before on
>> > a denser scale.
>>
>> How can one world be denser than another world if they're identical?
>
> Shape.
What is the shape of the four worlds?
>> You say one thing in your first musing, and then contradict yourself in
>> the very next sentence.
>
> Heh, still sore, even after all this time, wow.
Oh, the things we fail to hear when we stop our ears.
Tom
First you complain that no one is responding to the content of your posts
and then, when someone does, you react with this sort of nonsense. It
sounds like you're suffering from Littleshoes Syndrome. If someone says
something that offends you, you pretend it is "null content verbiage". Or
you stop reading their posts altogether.
Now, I know you can do better. Give it a try.
Your musings about the TOL are just that. Musings. They are disjointed,
tangental, and mostly relevant to you alone. There simply isn't that much
to latch onto for purposes of serious discussion. This is not to say they
don't have value to you, but they don't really evoke much in me at all.
Meltdarok
> "Bassos" <zebaz...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:47fc7950$0$14346$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl...
>> Heyas,
>>
>> I've been away a bit, and will return to being away quite soon.
>>
>> In the meantime, i have been reading back some of my personal musings, and
>> i kinda liked one.
>>
>> So feel free to tear apart these musings, cos at the moment i am to busy
>> to > do enough research for this one.
>>
>> here goes :
>> Musings
>> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four identical
>> > worlds.
>> They are just repetitions of what came before on a denser scale.
>>
>> This bothers me.
>> Repetition seems like a sure fire way to end up in stagnation.
>>
>> There are a myriad of different Tree's of Life out there, with different
>> forms, attributes, a big mess.
>>
>> A big mess is very good for inducing confusion.
>>
>> Confusion is good, it can be a road towards change.
>> (see me adding my bit of confusion, right here :P)
>>
>> The most authoritive text on the tree of life is the sefer yetzirah.
>>
>>>snip-a-ree-no<<<
>> Feel free to flame as hard as you can, i will be watching this topic for
>> about a week.
>> (maybe longer if it gets interesting)
>
>
> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post, so
> bump
>
A picture is worth a thousand words. Don't forget that the TOL *itself*
is *exposition*.
http://www.mediafire.com/?gys8x5bbnmm
Absorbed
> "Absorbed" <purestd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ftopaf$jal$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Bassos wrote:
>>> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post,
>>> so
>>> bump
>> Yes they did. Mika asked a cogent question which I'll repeat here.
>
> Oh, mika, sorry, i don't read her posts.
You're still sore after all this time? Wow.
>> You said:
>>> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four
>>> identical worlds. They are just repetitions of what came before on
>>> a denser scale.
>> How can one world be denser than another world if they're identical?
>
> Shape.
If they're a different shape, they're not identical. By your logic, a
cube and a sphere are identical.
>> If they're identical, that implies that they're exactly the same in every
>> respect, including density.
>
> Oh noes, the idiot police is here.
It's not a difficult job concerning yourself. You're attempting to
illustrate the differences between the four worlds in terms of density
and shape while maintaining that they're identical.
Erwin Hessle
> You could also try and look at it to see the purpose of my changes.
Having too much time on your hands is the only "purpose" I can see for
this nonsense.
> Well, do you have an objection to me stating humanity in incarnate form is
> restricted to reaching the conscioussnes represented by chesed ?
What, other than the facts that you have no idea what you mean by it
and that you're just making up random definitions anyway?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
The Speaking Clock
> "Bassos" <zebazz_N...@zonnet.nl> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
You can think Hod, feel Netsach, experience Tipharas, dream Yesod, and
walk in Malkus. Everything else is extrapolation.