Cheney Demands Release of CIA Memos Proving Torture 'Success'
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Cheney Demands Release of CIA Memos Proving Torture 'Success'
Former US vice-president Cheney says CIA memos showed torture methods such
as waterboarding delivered 'good' intelligence
by Ewan MacAskill and Robert Booth
The former US vice-president Dick Cheney has called for the disclosure of
CIA memos which reveal the "success" of torture techniques, including
waterboarding, used on al-Qaida suspects under the Bush administration.
Cheney said that, according to secret documents he has seen, the
interrogation techniques, which the Obama administration now accepts
amounted to torture, delivered "good" intelligence. He hinted that it had
significant consequences for US security.
Cheney was speaking out in response to the release by Barack Obama of four
Bush administration memos detailing the agency's interrogation methods used
against al-Qaida suspects.
"One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent
disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from
the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed
the success of the effort," Cheney said in an appearance on Fox News.
"I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read,
that I saw, that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process
and what the consequences were for the country.
"I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so
the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we
learned and how good the intelligence was."
Obama yesterday visited CIA headquarters to defend the publication of the
internal documents. The row gathered further momentum yesterday when it
emerged that one detainee, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, had been subjected to
waterboarding 183 times and another, Abu Zubaydah, 83 times.
Obama is keen to try to put the row behind him, reluctant to see
prosecutions that could be politically divisive and distract attention from
his heavy domestic and foreign agenda.
In a speech to about 1,000 staff aimed at restoring CIA morale, Obama, who
promised last week that CIA operatives would not be prosecuted, reiterated
that he would stand by them.
"Don't be discouraged by what's happened in the last few weeks," Obama said.
"Don't be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we've made
some mistakes. That's how we learn."
At a private meeting with 50 rank-and-file CIA members at their headquarters
in Langley, Virginia, before his speech, Obama heard "understandable anxiety
and concern" from agents fearful of prosecution.
The CIA's director during the Bush administration, Michael Hayden, who
criticised the release of the memos, warned on Sunday that agents could be
vulnerable because of the memos, facing civil lawsuits or congressional
inquiries.
Sensitive details were blacked out in the memos seen by most of the media on
Thursday but over the weekend Marcy Wheeler, of the Emptywheel blog, found a
copy in which crucial details were not masked.
That copy showed that Mohammed had been subjected to waterboarding - which
simulates drowning - 183 times in March 2003. He had been arrested in
Pakistan at the start of that month. Abu Zubaydah, a Saudi captured in
Pakistan in March 2002, was subjected to waterboarding 83 times in August
2002.
Mohammed had admitted to involvement in terrorist actions before his capture
but, after being interrogated, confessed to a list of incidents and plots
that included the 1993 attack on the World Trade Centre in New York, as well
as a plot to attack Heathrow, Big Ben and Canary Wharf, the beheading of the
US journalist Daniel Pearl, and the Bali bombing.
Abu Zubaydah denied involvement with al-Qaida.
Obama, defending himself against those in the CIA who argued that he should
not have released the memos, said legally he had no grounds for blocking a
freedom of information request from the US human rights group, the American
Civil Liberties Union.
"I acted primarily because of the exceptional circumstances that surrounded
these memos, particularly the fact that so much of the information was
public," Obama said.
Standing in front of a wall with 89 stars, each depicting an officer killed
in action, Obama praised the CIA as the "tip of the spear" in protecting the
US from its enemies.
Obama said he understood that intelligence officials must sometimes feel
that they are working with one hand tied behind their backs. But, rebutting
Hayden, he said: "What makes the United States special and what makes you
special is precisely the fact that we are willing to uphold our values and
our ideals even when it's hard, not just when it's easy, even when we are
afraid and under threat, not just when its expedient to do so.
"So yes, you've got a harder job and so do I, and that's OK. And over the
long term, that is why I believe we will defeat our enemies, because we're
on the better side of history."
Hayden had argued that the harsher interrogation techniques had provided
valuable information and said that the techniques did not amount to torture.
Human rights lawyers question the credibility of the confessions because
they were obtained under duress.
The White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, when asked yesterday why Bush
administration lawyers could not be prosecuted, said: "The president is
focusing on looking forward."
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James Of Tucson
> Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
>
> Cheney Demands
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Demand in one hand and shit in the other, Mr. Cheney.
eelder100
I hope he submit a Freedom of Information Act request and get turned down
for national security reasons. Now, that would be ironic!
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SilentOtto
He's just trying to put the Obama administration of having to prove a
negative.
They can't release such a memo because it doesn't exist, but the
rightards will refuse to believe that and insist that the memo is
being suppressed.
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WAR CRIMINAL LIAR MURDERER DICK CHENEY, NEEDS TO BE TRIED FOR MURDER
AND TORTURE NOW!!!!!!!!!
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CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted
9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief
Khalid Sheik Mohammad, a top al Qaeda leader who divulged information --
after being waterboarded -- that allowed the U.S. government to stop a
planned terrorist attack on Los Angeles.
(CNSNews.com) - The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that
it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo
that the use of "enhanced techniques" of interrogation on al Qaeda leader
Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused
KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a
planned attack on Los Angeles.
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the
United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators, "Soon, you will
know."
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo
that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted
attack -- which KSM called the "Second Wave"-- planned " 'to use East Asian
operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into' a building in Los Angeles."
KSM was the mastermind of the first "hijacked-airliner" attacks on the
United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the
Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.
After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially
cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda leader
named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the
only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA. (Additional
terrorist detainees were subjected to other "enhanced techniques" that
included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary
confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)
This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of
waterboarding. "The 'waterboard,' which is the most intense of the CIA
interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits," explained the
May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo. "It may be used on a High Value
Detainee only if the CIA has 'credible intelligence that a terrorist attack
is imminent'; 'substantial and credible indicators that the subject has
actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack'; and
'[o]ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within
the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.'"
The quotations in this part of the Justice memo were taken from an Aug. 2,
2004 letter that CIA Acting General Counsel John A. Rizzo sent to the
Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel.
Before they were subjected to "enhanced techniques" of interrogation that
included waterboarding, KSM and Zubaydah were not only uncooperative but
also appeared contemptuous of the will of the American people to defend
themselves.
"In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain
critical information from numerous detainees, including KSM and Abu
Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques," says the Justice Department
memo. "Both KSM and Zubaydah had 'expressed their belief that the general US
population was 'weak,' lacked resilience, and would be unable to 'do what
was necessary' to prevent the terrorists from succeeding in their goals.'
Indeed, before the CIA used enhanced techniques in its interrogation of KSM,
KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply
noting, 'Soon you will know.'"
After he was subjected to the "waterboard" technique, KSM became
cooperative, providing intelligence that led to the capture of key al Qaeda
allies and, eventually, the closing down of an East Asian terrorist cell
that had been tasked with carrying out the 9/11-style attack on Los Angeles.
The May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that details what happened in this
regard was written by then-Principal Deputy Attorney General Steven G.
Bradbury to John A. Rizzo, the senior deputy general counsel for the CIA.
"You have informed us that the interrogation of KSM-once enhanced techniques
were employed-led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the 'Second Wave,' 'to use
East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into' a building in Los
Angeles," says the memo.
"You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the
capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discover
of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemaah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing
the 'Second Wave,'" reads the memo. "More specifically, we understand that
KSM admitted that he had [redaction] large sum of money to an al Qaeda
associate [redaction] . Khan subsequently identified the associate (Zubair),
who was then captured. Zubair, in turn, provided information that led to the
arrest of Hambali. The information acquired from these captures allowed CIA
interrogators to pose more specific questions to KSM, which led the CIA to
Hambali's brother, al Hadi. Using information obtained from multiple
sources, al-Hadi was captured, and he subsequently identified the Garuba
cell. With the aid of this additional information, interrogations of Hambali
confirmed much of what was learned from KSM."
A CIA spokesman confirmed to CNSNews.com today that the CIA stands by the
factual assertions made here.
In the memo itself, the Justice Department's Bradbury told the CIA's Rossi:
"Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that 'the intelligence
acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qa'ida has
failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001."
mordacp...@hotmail.com
Did Dick Cheney really “formally” ask the CIA to release reams of
intelligence allegedly showing that the torture program worked, as
Cheney claimed last night on Fox News?
An intelligence source familiar with the situation says the answer is
No.
“The agency has received no request from the former Vice President to
release this information,” the source told me a few moments ago.
Last night, Cheney said he’d asked the CIA to release memos he had
read containing all the intelligence that had been collected via
torture. “I’ve now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify
those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have
a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the
intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal
opinions,” Cheney said.
According to the source, there are several ways this could happen:
Cheney could lodge a Freedom of Information Request (which is hard to
imagine a former Veep doing); he could contact CIA officials; or he
could submit the request via the White House. Cheney said he’d made
the request to the CIA.
The source, however, tells me that the CIA didn’t get any such request
from Cheney. So barring the unlikely possibility that Cheney submitted
his request to the Obama White House, it seems fair to assume for now
that the only target of this request was the Fox News television
audience.
Witziges Rätsel
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> Rossi: "Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that 'the
> intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why
> al Qa'ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11
> September 2001."
>
neck until dead. Pay attention!
Jeffrey Turner
> Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
>
> Cheney Demands Release of CIA Memos Proving Torture 'Success'
>
> Former US vice-president Cheney says CIA memos showed torture methods such
> as waterboarding delivered 'good' intelligence
>
> by Ewan MacAskill and Robert Booth
>
> The former US vice-president Dick Cheney has called for the disclosure of
> CIA memos which reveal the "success" of torture techniques, including
> waterboarding, used on al-Qaida suspects under the Bush administration.
>
> Cheney said that, according to secret documents he has seen, the
> interrogation techniques, which the Obama administration now accepts
> amounted to torture, delivered "good" intelligence. He hinted that it had
> significant consequences for US security.
Yes. Let's see those documents. Let's see all the CIA's documents.
Why didn't he have them release the documents when he had political
power? Let's see the evidence. Then let's put them all on trial for
violating U.S. and international law. We want names, dates and places.
And prosecutions.
--Jeff
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Jeff George
news:bdOdnQmGp-WlsnPU...@posted.localnet:
> Yes. Let's see those documents. Let's see all the CIA's documents.
> Why didn't he have them release the documents when he had political
> power? Let's see the evidence. Then let's put them all on trial for
> violating U.S. and international law. We want names, dates and
> places. And prosecutions.
It'd put a smile on my face to see Cheney in front of a firing squad. Hell,
it could even be done by a bunch of vigilantes. I don't care how it gets
done.
--
JG, former Quarterback and Lt. General SWIFT (Socialist Workers
Infiltrating Federal Targets)
Patriot Games
What's to hide?
By NOT releasing those documenta you have PROOF that the waterboarding
worked and produced VERY IMPORTANT info....
Oops!
SilentOtto
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT), James Of Tucson
>
> >On Apr 21, 11:31 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
> >> Cheney Demands
> >Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
> >Demand in one hand and shit in the other, Mr. Cheney.
>
> What's to hide?
>
> By NOT releasing those documenta you have PROOF that the waterboarding
> worked and produced VERY IMPORTANT info....
First you have to prove that documents showing the effectiveness of
water-boarding exist, Queer Boy.
Cheney's a proven liar. His word isn't good enough.
Produce your proof that documents showing the effectiveness of water-
boarding exist here______, Shit Eater.
You've 24 hours to provide proof or you will once again be a LYING
RIGHTARD CLOSET QUEER.
BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Heh heh...
Insane lying racist rightard closet queer sheep fucking coprophile
shit eating poseur gay porn faggots...
Toofuckingeasy...
Get to pasting, Shit Eater.
>
> Oops!
stfranc...@yahoo.com
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT), James Of Tucson
>
> >On Apr 21, 11:31 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
> >> Cheney Demands
> >Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
> >Demand in one hand and shit in the other, Mr. Cheney.
>
> What's to hide?
>
> By NOT releasing those documenta you have PROOF that the waterboarding
> worked and produced VERY IMPORTANT info....
>
> Oops!
REPUBLICANS CHEERLEADED WHEN BUSH MADE THE HOMELAND INSECURITY
DEPARTMENT, NOW THE FUCKING HYPOCRITS CRY IT IS HAPPENING TO US,
MORONS, "TOLD YOU SO IDIOTS" NOW THE SPOTLIGHT IS ON YOU, HOW DO YOU
FEEL??
Gandalf Grey
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> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT), James Of Tucson
> <james0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Apr 21, 11:31 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
>>> Cheney Demands
>>Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>>Demand in one hand and shit in the other, Mr. Cheney.
>
> What's to hide?
Your ignorance, Lamer.
Fred1...@gmail.com
>
> Cheney Demands Release of CIA Memos Proving Torture 'Success'
This should no doubt send the hysterical dipshits on the left, who
can't stand that their Muslime terrorist heroes were tortured like the
animals that they are, into even more amusing conniption fits. Their
"it doesn't work" lie flushed down the toilet once and for all :)
Dave Heil
> Jeffrey Turner <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in
> news:bdOdnQmGp-WlsnPU...@posted.localnet:
>
>> Yes. Let's see those documents. Let's see all the CIA's documents.
>> Why didn't he have them release the documents when he had political
>> power? Let's see the evidence. Then let's put them all on trial for
>> violating U.S. and international law. We want names, dates and
>> places. And prosecutions.
>
> It'd put a smile on my face to see Cheney in front of a firing squad. Hell,
> it could even be done by a bunch of vigilantes. I don't care how it gets
> done.
I may forward your post to the Secret Service myself, "Jeff."
Dave Heil
Lone Wolf
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> CIA Shitting peckers because they tortured human beings and now they don't
> want to go to prison where they would be ass raped in the name of poetic
> justice.
And Bush repeatedly lied to the nation.
Lone Wolf
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Hanged.
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And a hearty "Heil" to you, Dave, you fascist asswipe.
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Heh heh...
Toofuckingeasy...
>
> Oops!
Coprophile. : ) Good one!
Winston Smith, American Patriot
Why didn't Bush and Cheney prove to a skeptical American people the value
of information obtained through "enhanced interrogation techniques" by
releasing this information themselves when they were in power???
Only NOW they want it released because they are made to look as bad as
they truly are by the new administration.
Right wingers: GFY
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[Brent Bozell-operated-right-wing crap deleted]
Next time offer a credible source of information.
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> On Apr 21, 11:31 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
>>
>> Cheney Demands Release of CIA Memos Proving Torture 'Success'
>
> This should no doubt send the hysterical dipshits on the left, who
> can't stand that their Muslime terrorist heroes were tortured like the
> animals that they are, into even more amusing conniption fits. Their
> "it doesn't work" lie flushed down the toilet once and for all :)
Why is it that the right wing is too goddam dumb to understand the rule
that you don't become your enemy in order to defeat your enemy?
Patriot Games
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Gandalf Grey is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTHY.
Don't believe ANYTHING that Gandalf Grey posts.
I wrote:
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>> Task Force Lightning Soldiers killed
> Murdered by blood-thirsty two-faced lying Democrats who fully funded the War
> after LYING when they said they would stop the War.
Then Gandalf Grey EDITED MY WORDS:
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>>> Task Force Lightning Soldiers killed
>> Murdered by blood-thirsty war-mongering Republicans who wouldn't fight
>> themselves because >they're chickenhawks but are completely willing to
>> murder other Americans.
> Fixed that for you. Truthyized for your protection.
Gandalf Grey is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTHY.
Don't believe ANYTHING that Gandalf Grey posts.
Best thing you could do is KILLFILE the MALICIOUS LIAR Gandalf Grey.
Patriot Games
<Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT), James Of Tucson
>> <james0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Apr 21, 11:31 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
>>>> Cheney Demands
>>>Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>>>Demand in one hand and shit in the other, Mr. Cheney.
>> What's to hide?
>> By NOT releasing those documenta you have PROOF that the waterboarding
>> worked and produced VERY IMPORTANT info....
>> Oops!
>Why didn't Bush and Cheney prove to a skeptical American people the value
>of information obtained through "enhanced interrogation techniques" by
>releasing this information themselves when they were in power?
Somebody should ask them!
My guess is they wanted to keep the interrogation methods secret so
our enemies would be unable to prepare for being captured...
Plus, if they don't know that we know about a certain plot they might
keep doing that plot and since we know we'll catch more of 'em.
Here's an example: Criminal Democrat sitting at home watching MSNBC
and masturbating. Sirens screaming and lights flashing outside. Does
the Criminal Democrat think its a pizza delivery or does he think its
the cops?
>Only NOW they want it released because they are made to look as bad as
>they truly are by the new administration.
You cry like a girl...
>Right wingers: GFY
Make us...
Lamont Cranston
I'm sure that the Secret Service has already considered
taking Cheney out.
Lamont Cranston
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Hey, Babsie. How's the new single-wide working out for you?
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> room was.
>
Was it the guy taking the home movies?
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still kicking your worthless, lame ass.
Paulie Walnutts
> On Apr 21, 11:31 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
>
> > Cheney Demands
>
> Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
> Demand in one hand and shit in the other, Mr. Cheney.
Cheney should hire Sandy Bergler to visit the National Archives and
steal the documents by stuffing them in his shorts and socks. He saved
Clinton's ass. Might work for Cheney. Although I doubt Bergler is
allowed within 100 yards of any classified documents now.
Paulie Walnutts
> "Murdering Teenager War Criminal Obama Hussein" <Murderer Hussein @ Whitehouse . org> wrote in messagenews:OEpHl.34262$Ji5....@newsfe21.iad...
> >news:Fo6dnQSq_KyfjHPU...@giganews.com...
> > In the memo itself, the Justice Department's Bradbury told the CIA's
> > Rossi: "Your office has informed us that the CIA believes that 'the
> > intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why
> > al Qa'ida has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11
> > September 2001."
>
> Hussein can't refuse anything any more; he was hung by the
> neck until dead. Pay attention!
Yes,but his EVILLL twin Hussein Obama is taking up where Saddam
Hussein left off.
Paulie Walnutts
Has Obama done away with the DHS?? No,he just put a totally
incompetent buffoon in charge of it. Now,I'm higher on the DHS list
than a radical jihadist. Go figger.
Paulie Walnutts
> "Whining loser who fucks his Mom" <Whining loser who fucks his Mom@ his daddy's
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> house . orgasm> wrote in messagenews:OEpHl.34262$Ji5....@newsfe21.iad...
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>
> > CIA Shitting peckers because they tortured human beings and now they don't
> > want to go to prison where they would be ass raped in the name of poetic
> > justice.
>
> And Bush repeatedly lied to the nation.
Examples please?? With PROOF that he lied !! Not talking points off
the MOVEON.org kook website.
Winston Smith, American Patriot
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:43:01 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
> <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
>>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT), James Of Tucson
>>> <james0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Apr 21, 11:31 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Published on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
>>>>> Cheney Demands
>>>>Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>>>>Demand in one hand and shit in the other, Mr. Cheney.
>>> What's to hide?
>>> By NOT releasing those documenta you have PROOF that the
>>> waterboarding worked and produced VERY IMPORTANT info....
>>> Oops!
>>Why didn't Bush and Cheney prove to a skeptical American people the
>>value of information obtained through "enhanced interrogation
>>techniques" by releasing this information themselves when they were in
>>power?
>
> Somebody should ask them!
>
> My guess is they wanted to keep the interrogation methods secret so
> our enemies would be unable to prepare for being captured...
Oh come on!!! Do you know how silly a statement that is!? Do you realize
just how much of an ass you are for making that statement?
> Plus, if they don't know that we know about a certain plot they might
> keep doing that plot and since we know we'll catch more of 'em.
By saying that we as a people will NOT LOWER ourselves to the acts of
savage animals, particularly the acts of our terrorist enemies, meaning
that we will not engage in torture, then we are NOT saying at the same
time that "we know about...certain plots they might [be] doing," you twit.
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I dont know , why dont you tell us what a single wide is like to live in?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22blair.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=print
April 22, 2009
Banned Techniques Yielded 'High Value Information,' Memo Says
By PETER BAKER
WASHINGTON - President Obama's national intelligence director told
colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation
techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information
that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.
"High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were
used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa'ida organization that
was attacking this country," Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence
director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.
Admiral Blair sent his memo on the same day the administration publicly
released secret Bush administration legal memos authorizing the use of
interrogation methods that the Obama White House has deemed to be illegal
torture. Among other things, the Bush administration memos revealed that two
captured Qaeda operatives were subjected to a form of near-drowning known as
waterboarding a total of 266 times.
Admiral Blair's assessment that the interrogation methods did produce
important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo
released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he
empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh
tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
"I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past," he
wrote, "but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I
will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the
orders they were given."
A spokeswoman for Admiral Blair said the lines were cut in the normal
editing process of shortening an internal memo into a media statement
emphasizing his concern that the public understand the context of the
decisions made in the past and the fact that they followed legal orders.
"The information gained from these techniques was valuable in some
instances, but there is no way of knowing whether the same information could
have been obtained through other means," Admiral Blair said in a written
statement issued last night. "The bottom line is these techniques have hurt
our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far
outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our
national security."
Admiral Blair's private memo was provided by a critic of Mr. Obama's policy.
His assessment could bolster Bush administration veterans who argue that the
interrogations were an important tool in the battle against al Qaeda.
Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency
under Mr. Bush, said on Fox News Sunday last weekend that "the use of these
techniques against these terrorists made us safer. It really did work."
Former Vice President Dick Cheney, in a separate interview with Fox,
endorsed that conclusion and said he has asked the C.I.A. to declassify
memos detailing the gains from the harsh interrogations.
Several news accounts, including one in the New York Times last week, have
quoted former intelligence officials saying the harsh interrogation of Abu
Zubaydah, a Qaeda operative who was waterboarded 83 times, did not produce
information that foiled terror plots. The Bush administration has long
argued that harsh questioning of Qaeda operatives like Zubaydah helped
prevent a planned attack on Los Angeles and cited passages in the memos
released last week to bolster that conclusion.
The White House would not address the question of whether the tactics have
been effective on Tuesday but fired back at Mr. Cheney. "We've had an at
least two-year policy disagreement with the vice president of the United
States," Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary. "That policy
disagreement is whether or not you can uphold the values in which this
country was founded at the same time that you protect the citizens that live
in that country."
Mr. Obama's team has cast doubt on the effectiveness of the harsh
interrogations, but in a visit to the C.I.A. this week, the president did
not directly question that. Instead, he said, any disadvantage imposed by
banning those tactics was worth it.
"I'm sure that sometimes it seems as if that means we're operating with one
hand tied behind our back or that those who would argue for a higher
standard are naīve," he said. "I understand that. You know, I watch the
cable shows once in a while."
But he added: "What makes the United States special, and what makes you
special, is precisely the fact that we are willing to uphold our values and
our ideals even when it's hard, not just when it's easy."
The assessment by Admiral Blair represents a shift for him since he took
office. When he was nominated for the position and appeared before the
Senate intelligence committee on Jan. 22, he said: "I believe strongly that
torture is not moral, legal or effective." But he declined to assess whether
the interrogation program under Mr. Bush had worked.
"Do you believe the C.I.A.'s interrogation detention program has been
effective?" Senator Christopher Bond, a Missouri Republican, asked him.
"I'll have to look into that more closely before I can give you a good
answer on that one," Admiral Blair answered.
Hussein @whitehouse.org Murdering Teenager War Criminal Obama Hussein
> "Murdering Teenager War Criminal Obama Hussein" <Murderer Hussein @
> White house . org> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>
>>
>> "Gandalf Gay Faggot " <vali...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Fo6dnQSq_KyfjHPU...@giganews.com...
>
> [Brent Bozell-operated-right-wing crap deleted]
>
> Next time offer a credible source of information.
Like your Bible?
standard are naïve," he said. "I understand that. You know, I watch the
Patriot Games
Those scuzzy muzzy jihadis are "freedom fighters."
We're terrorists!
Patriot Games
I realize you countered with absolutely NOTHING.
>> Plus, if they don't know that we know about a certain plot they might
>> keep doing that plot and since we know we'll catch more of 'em.
>By saying that we as a people will NOT LOWER ourselves to the acts of
>savage animals, particularly the acts of our terrorist enemies, meaning
>that we will not engage in torture, then we are NOT saying at the same
>time that "we know about...certain plots they might [be] doing," you twit.
The interrogations we performed were never anywhere near the actual
torture our enemies engage in.
But that has nothing to do with the question you asked does it?
Bugman
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
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Keeping the methods secret? So you think we invented this shit? They are
laughing at you Whacko. Damn you're an idiot
stfranc...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:36:58 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
>
>
>
> >Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in talk.politics.misc:
> >> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:43:01 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
> >>>Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
NO SUCCESS ALL BUSH AND CHENEY TORTURE MADE WAS MORE TERRORISTS
Winston Smith, American Patriot
>
> The interrogations we performed were never anywhere near the actual
> torture our enemies engage in.
The CIA's Willful Ignorance on Harsh Interrogations
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1893127,00.html
'No one is above the law,' Holder says of torture inquiry
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/22/torture.prosecution/
Waking up to torture truths
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-
oped0423chapmanapr23,0,4882177.column
Investigating Bush-Cheney Torture Policies "By the Book"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hoyt-hilsman/investigating-bush-cheney_b_
189686.html
Origins of 'torture' tactics overlooked
Tough tactics » Officials failed to probe the history, efficacy of brutal
interrogation methods.
In a series of high-level meetings in 2002, without a single dissent
from cabinet members or lawmakers, the United States for the first
time officially embraced the brutal methods of interrogation IT HAD
ALWAYS CONDEMNED [caps mine].
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12200208
FACTBOX - Birth and death of CIA waterboarding
Former U.S. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice gave the go-ahead to
the CIA for an interrogation program that included the method known as
waterboarding in 2002, and Vice President Dick Cheney affirmed White House
support a year later, a Senate Intelligence Committee report said on
Wednesday
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE53L79V20090422
Yoo Defends Himself, while Leahy Accuses and Holder Investigates
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/yoo-defends-him.html
Patriot Games
Patriot Games
We invented some of it. We perfected some of it. But that's
irrelevant. I you don't know what they might do to you you can't
prepare for it, right?
More importantly, now that the enemy knows we won't actually kill them
any psychological approach designed to provoke the fear of being
killed is now worthless.
Patriot Games
Let me know when find actual torture.
Did we hack anyone's head off? No.
Did we hack anyone's limbs off? No.
Did we set anyone on fire? No.
We NEVER performed actual torture.
ALL of our interrogation is based on TRICKING them into thinking that
we will actually torture them or actually kill them.
4943 Dead, 76 since 1/20/09
Americans just did the same things they tried and executed Japanese
soldiers for doing during the war, is all.
--
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails of the last priest.” -Dennis Diderot Pay your taxes so the
rich don't have to. Atheist #2211
Patriot Games
Prove it.
Then explain how it has ANY RELEVANCE to the past several years...
Bugman
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I guess you would rather have the world think of us as murderers. That will
get us some respect.
Patriot Games
We're at War. We don't need respect. We need enemies who FEAR US.
But you could try explaining how "the world think of us as murderers"
when we never did actual torture and when we never did kill anyone
while interrogating them?
mordacp...@hotmail.com
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:58:44 -0500, "4943 Dead, 76 since 1/20/09"
>
>
>
>
>
> <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:45:48 -0400, Patriot Games wrote:
> >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:37:36 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
> >>>Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
> >>>> The interrogations we performed were never anywhere near the actual
> >>>> torture our enemies engage in.
> >>>The CIA's Willful Ignorance on Harsh Interrogations
> >>>http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1893127,00.html'No one
> >>>is above the law,' Holder says of torture inquiry
> >>>http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/22/torture.prosecution/Waking
> >>>up to torture truths
> >>>http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-
> >>>oped0423chapmanapr23,0,4882177.column Investigating Bush-Cheney Torture
> >>>Policies "By the Book"
> >>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hoyt-hilsman/investigating-bush-cheney_b_
> >>>189686.html
> >>>Origins of 'torture' tactics overlooked Tough tactics » Officials failed
> >>>to probe the history, efficacy of brutal interrogation methods.
> >>> In a series of high-level meetings in 2002, without a single
> >>> dissent from cabinet members or lawmakers, the United States for
> >>> the first time officially embraced the brutal methods of
> >>> interrogation IT HAD ALWAYS CONDEMNED [caps mine].
> >>>waterboarding Former U.S. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice
> >>>gave the go-ahead to the CIA for an interrogation program that included
> >>>the method known as waterboarding in 2002, and Vice President Dick
> >>>Cheney affirmed White House support a year later, a Senate Intelligence
> >>>Committee report said on Wednesday
> >>>http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE53L79V20090422
> >> Let me know when find actual torture.
> >> Did we hack anyone's head off? No.
> >> Did we hack anyone's limbs off? No.
> >> Did we set anyone on fire? No.
> >> We NEVER performed actual torture.
> >> ALL of our interrogation is based on TRICKING them into thinking that we
> >> will actually torture them or actually kill them.
> >Americans just did the same things they tried and executed Japanese
> >soldiers for doing during the war, is all.
>
> Prove it.
>
> Then explain how it has ANY RELEVANCE to the past several years
Are you really that fucking stupid?
We held war crime trials against Japanese commanders who authorized
the waterboarding of U.S. soldiers.
The commanders were found guilty and executed.
Are you going to apologize to the families of the Japanese commanders
we executed for doing the very same thing we did?
SilentOtto
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:19:41 -0500, "Bugman" <jmpos...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
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> >> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:24:26 -0500, "Bugman" <jmpos...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
> >>>news:s15vu45kmpmki917i...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:36:58 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
> >>>>>Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in talk.politics.misc:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:43:01 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
> >>>>>>>Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
Liar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
"Waterboarding is a form of TORTURE that consists of immobilizing the
victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then
pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced
suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning
and is caused to believe they are about to die."
> and when we never did kill anyone while interrogating them?
Liar.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?_r=1
"Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American
jailers continued to torment him."
Heh heh...
Insane lying racist rightard closet queer sheep fucking coprophile
shit eating posing gay porn faggots...
Toofuckingeasy...
Get to pasting, Shit Eater.
Patriot Games
wrote:
>the waterboarding of U.S. soldiers.
No, we didn't.
"The Men put on trial in 1947 and 1948 were the first of 20,000
civilian and military former leaders who had either killed
prisoners...
"Using biological, chemical and thermal tests on Chinese and Allied
prisoners, they dropped bubonic plague on Chinese cities, froze naked
Soviet prisoners in refrigerators, and experimented with anthrax,
mustard and phosgene gas on POWs."
http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/warcrimes.htm
Try again.
>Are you going to apologize to the families of the Japanese commanders
>we executed for doing the very same thing we did?
Are YOU going to apologize to th ENTIRE Usenet community for being a
FOOL in public?
Bugman
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
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We don't NEED enemies!!!
>
> But you could try explaining how "the world think of us as murderers"
> when we never did actual torture and when we never did kill anyone
> while interrogating them?
Our country has FUCKING ADMITTED we waterboarded prisoners. A technique that
has been classified world wide as torture. The U.S. executed Japanese for
waterboard torturing our soldiers.
"now that the enemy knows we won't actually kill them"
You would prefer that the world thinks when we capture and interrogate their
citizens that we might kill them?
From the McCain-Romney debate...
I am astonished that you would think such a--such a torture would be
inflicted on anyone in our--who we are held captive and anyone could believe
that that's not torture. It's in violation of the Geneva Convention. It's in
violation of existing law.
And, governor, let me tell you, if we're going to get the high ground in
this world and we're going to be the America that we have cherished and
loved for more than 200 years. We're not going to torture people.
We're not going to do what Pol Pot did. We're not going to do what's
being done to Burmese monks as we speak.
Romney persisted in leaving his options open, and McCain replied:
Well, then you would have to advocate that we withdraw from the Geneva
Conventions, which were for the treatment of people who were held prisoners,
whether they be illegal combatants or regular prisoners of war. Because it's
clear the definition of torture.
Then a follow up the next day..
"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as
torture; otherwise, we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing
that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.
"I would also hope that he would not want to be associated with a technique
which was invented in the Spanish Inquisition, was used by Pol Pot in one of
the great eras of genocide in history and is being used on Burmese monks as
we speak," the Arizona senator said. "America is a better nation than that."
"If the United States was in another conflict, which could easily happen,
with another country, and we have allowed that kind of torture to be
inflicted on people we hold captive, then there's nothing to prevent that
enemy from also torturing American prisoners," McCain said..
Smack Down Bitch
SilentOtto
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:03:37 -0700 (PDT), mordacpreven...@hotmail.com
Apologizing to the ENTIRE Usenet community for being a FOOL in public
is YOUR JOB, Patriot Gaymes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170_2.html
"After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for
waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of
his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air
Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the
Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I
was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt
when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or
less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and
death."
Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his
captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and
participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East,
generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of
Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many
other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians.
The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based
was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.
In this case from the tribunal's records, the victim was a prisoner in
the Japanese-occupied Dutch East Indies:
A towel was fixed under the chin and down over the face. Then many
buckets of water were poured into the towel so that the water
gradually reached the mouth and rising further eventually also the
nostrils, which resulted in his becoming unconscious and collapsing
like a person drowned. This procedure was sometimes repeated 5-6 times
in succession.
The United States (like Britain, Australia and other Allies) pursued
lower-ranking Japanese war criminals in trials before their own
tribunals. As a general rule, the testimony was similar to Nielsen's.
Consider this account from a Filipino waterboarding victim:
Q: Was it painful?
A: Not so painful, but one becomes unconscious. Like drowning in the
water.
Q: Like you were drowning?
A: Drowning -- you could hardly breathe.
Here's the testimony of two Americans imprisoned by the Japanese:
They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with
my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a
pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.
And from the second prisoner: They laid me out on a stretcher and
strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head
almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then
began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible
for me to breathe without sucking in water.
As a result of such accounts, a number of Japanese prison-camp
officers and guards were CONVICTED OF TORTURE (emphasis mine) that
clearly violated the laws of war. They were not the only defendants
convicted in such cases. As far back as the U.S. occupation of the
Philippines after the 1898 Spanish-American War, U.S. soldiers were
court-martialed for using the "water cure" to question Filipino
guerrillas."
Here's another:
http://robinrowland.com/garret/2005_11_01__archive.html
"Cyril Wild’s investigation torture in Singapore showed that similar
water torture was a favourite tactic of the kempeitai:
Wild questioned one of the those accused in the case, Sgt. Major Masuo
Makizono.
To Makizono, the most important aim was to discover how and what
information was being passed from the civilian internees to the
British guerrilla forces.
Turning to the beating and torture, Wild asked: “Why were these
cruelties practiced?”
“None of them would say where the transmitter was,” Makizono said. “No
information could be gotten from them about the location of British
forces.”
He told Wild beating was the most common form of abuse. If the
kempeitai was dissatisfied with the answers or if they thought the
prisoner was lying, they would use torture.
Makizono denied ever using an iron bar to hit a prisoner, but admitted
he used his fist and he had used a bamboo pole on the arms, legs and
torso. He pointed to the spots on his own body.
“Did you ever use the water treatment?” Wild asked.
Makizono described how suspects were tied up and laid on the ground. A
kempeitai would force open then the prisoners’ mouth, while another
poured a bucket of water down the throat.
“Did you block up the nose?” was Wild’s last question.
No, Makizono replied hee preferred to leave the nostrils open so he
could pour water into them as well.
Wild noted: “He appeared to take personal pride in describing such
methods.”
The case was not just a war crime. It is a lesson in intelligence
failure. The torture and imprisonment of dozens of innocent civilians
and the inhuman treatment was used because the kempeitai could not
conceive that regular force commandos, today’s equivalent of Special
Forces, could attack Singapore. So they focused on civilians,
civilians who were already imprisoned, civilians who were resisting
their captors—as all prisoners do—but civilians who were not saboteurs
or terrorists.
The man who authorized those techniques at the Singapore YMCA, Lt.
Col. Sumida, was sentenced to hang. Sumida, in his statement during
the trial said, “I felt the state of peace and order and this serious
incident were related and that a thorough measure should be taken to
prevent the recurrence of such serious incidents.”
Six other members of the kempeitai plus an interpreter were sentenced
to hang. Three were sentenced to life, including one interpreter
called “the fat American” (he was originally from California) One
received 15 years, and one kempeitai and one interpreter eight."
Corroboration for the above:
http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_874_2004-12-30.html
"The Double Tenth trial was conducted on 18 March 1946 against 21
Kempeitai of the Singapore Branch for the war crime of contriving to
arrest in particular 57 civilians who had been interned at Changi Gaol
around 10 October 1943; and thereafter ill-treating them resulting in
the death of 15. After 21 days of hearing, on 15 April 1946, the Court
found 14 guilty with eight sentenced to death by hanging and six
having to serve a prison term; seven of the accused were acquitted.
Details
The war crime trial was held in the Supreme Court Buildings before a
Military Court, presided over by Lieutenant Colonel S. C. Silkin. The
21 Kempeitai included Lieutenant Colonel Sumida Haruzo, Commanding
Officer of the Singapore Branch. Their defence was that they had acted
under the orders of their superiors. However, the prosecution
countered by citing the famed German Supreme Court case of Llamdovery
Castle of 1922 which noted that "members of the armed forces are bound
to obey lawful orders only".
Who's who
Members of Court
Presider : Lt.-Col. S. C. Silken, R. A., B. A. (Cantab.) of the Middle
Temple, Barrister-at-Law
Member of Court : Maj. S. F. Hodgens, Australian Army Legal Corps
Member of Court : Capt. R. J. Topping, 6/8 Punjab Regiment.
Counsel for the Prosecution
Lt.-Col. S. C. Sleeman, 16/5 Lancers, Barrister-at-Law; Asst. Judge
Adv. Gen., HQ, Allied Land Forces, Southeast Asia
Capt. A. A. Hibbert, R.W.A.F.F., Staff Capt. (Legal), HQ, Allied Land
Forces, Southeast Asia.
Counsel for the Defence
Hori Masakaya
Suzuki Hisakazu
Both were Advocates of District Courts in Japan, assisted by Lt.
Wilkinson.
Accussed
Prisoner 1 : Lt-Col. Sumida Haruzo, death sentence
Prisoner 2 : W. O. Monai Tadamori, death sentence
Prisoner 5 : Sgt-Maj. Makizono Masuo, death sentence
Prisoner 6 : Sgt-Maj. Terada Tako, death sentence
Prisoner 7 : Sgt. Nozawa Toichiro, death sentence
Prisoner 8 : Sgt-Maj Tsujio Shiger, death sentence
Prisoner 10 : Sgt-Maj Morita Shozo, death sentence
Prisoner 19 : Interpreter Toh Swee Koon, death sentence
Prisoner 4 : W. O. Sakamoto Shigeru, life imprisonment
Prisoner 14 : Sgt. Kashara Hideo, life imprisonment
Prisoner 18 : Interpreter Nigo Masyoshi, life imprisonment
Prisoner 20 : Interpreter Miyazaki Kasuo, 15 years imprisonment
Prisoner 13 : Sgt. Sugimoto Kozo, 8 years imprisonment
Prisoner 21 : Interpreter Chan Eng Thiam, 8 years imprisonment.
Seven of the accused were acquitted. The finding and sentence on Toh
Swee Koon and Miyazaki Kasuo were not confirmed because they were
British subjects and therefore not within the jurisdiction of the
Court. Subsequently, they were tried and convicted by a local Court on
similar charges."
Uh-oh...
Time for you to start squirming and weaseling again, queer boy.
Gandalf Grey
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With who, Lamer?
metronid
Hussein" <Murderer Hussein @ White house . org> wrote:
> "Winston Smith, American Patriot" <FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
> > White house . org> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>
> >>news:Fo6dnQSq_KyfjHPU...@giganews.com...
>
> > [Brent Bozell-operated-right-wing crap deleted]
>
> > Next time offer a credible source of information.
>
> =============================
>
> Like your Bible?
>
> April 22, 2009
> Banned Techniques Yielded 'High Value Information,' Memo Says
> By PETER BAKER
> colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation
> techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information
> that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.
>
> "High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were
> used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa'ida organization that
> was attacking this country," Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence
> director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.
>
> Admiral Blair sent his memo on the same day the administration publicly
> released secret Bush administration legal memos authorizing the use of
> torture. Among other things, the Bush administration memos revealed that two
> interrogations, but in a visit to the C.I.A. this week, the president did
> not directly question that. Instead, he said, any disadvantage imposed by
> banning those tactics was worth it.
>
> "I'm sure that sometimes it seems as if that means we're operating with one
> hand tied behind our back or that those who would argue for a higher
> standard are naïve," he said. "I understand that. You know, I watch the
> cable shows once in a while."
>
> But he added: "What makes the United States special, and what makes you
> special, is precisely the fact that we are willing to uphold our values and
> our ideals even when it's hard, not just when it's easy."
>
> The assessment by Admiral Blair represents a shift for him since he took
> office. When he was nominated for the position and appeared before the
> Senate intelligence committee on Jan. 22, he said: "I believe strongly that
> torture is not moral, legal or effective." But he declined to assess whether
> the interrogation program under Mr. Bush had worked.
>
> "Do you believe the C.I.A.'s interrogation detention program has been
> effective?" Senator Christopher Bond, a Missouri Republican, asked him.
>
> "I'll have to look into that more closely before I can give you a good
> answer on that one," Admiral Blair answered.
Major Debacle
Proof that she signed off on specifically torturing prisoners using
waterboarding?
Post it right here===============>
--
When asked, years afterward, why his charge at Gettysburg failed,
General Pickett said: "I've always thought the Yankees had something to
do with it."
Jeffrey Turner
>
> “Did you ever use the water treatment?” Wild asked.
>
> Makizono described how suspects were tied up and laid on the ground. A
> kempeitai would force open then the prisoners’ mouth, while another
> poured a bucket of water down the throat.
>
> “Did you block up the nose?” was Wild’s last question.
>
> No, Makizono replied hee preferred to leave the nostrils open so he
> could pour water into them as well.
>
>
> The man who authorized those techniques at the Singapore YMCA, Lt.
> Col. Sumida, was sentenced to hang. Sumida, in his statement during
> the trial said, “I felt the state of peace and order and this serious
> incident were related and that a thorough measure should be taken to
> prevent the recurrence of such serious incidents.”
We need to determine who authorized the same torture this time...
--Jeff
--
The comfort of the wealthy has always
depended upon an abundant supply of
the poor. --Voltaire
Dave Heil
Lamont Cranston
There is nothing there about "signing off."
Bill
a wink and a nod. Piglosi lied and honor died.
Patriot Games
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Don't believe ANYTHING that Gandalf Grey posts.
I wrote:
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>> Task Force Lightning Soldiers killed
> Murdered by blood-thirsty two-faced lying Democrats who fully funded the War
> after LYING when they said they would stop the War.
Then Gandalf Grey EDITED MY WORDS:
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>>> Task Force Lightning Soldiers killed
>> Murdered by blood-thirsty war-mongering Republicans who wouldn't fight
>> themselves because >they're chickenhawks but are completely willing to
>> murder other Americans.
> Fixed that for you. Truthyized for your protection.
Gandalf Grey is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTHY.
Don't believe ANYTHING that Gandalf Grey posts.
Best thing you could do is KILLFILE the MALICIOUS LIAR Gandalf Grey.
Patriot Games
Duh... But we got 'em anyway.
>> But you could try explaining how "the world think of us as murderers"
>> when we never did actual torture and when we never did kill anyone
>> while interrogating them?
>Our country has FUCKING ADMITTED we waterboarded prisoners. A technique that
>has been classified world wide as torture.
You FAILED to explain how "the world think of us as murderers" when we
never did actually kill anyone while interrogating them?
>The U.S. executed Japanese for waterboard torturing our soldiers.
Wrong.
"The Men put on trial in 1947 and 1948 were the first of 20,000
civilian and military former leaders who had either killed
prisoners...
"Using biological, chemical and thermal tests on Chinese and Allied
prisoners, they dropped bubonic plague on Chinese cities, froze naked
Soviet prisoners in refrigerators, and experimented with anthrax,
mustard and phosgene gas on POWs."
http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/warcrimes.htm
Try again.
>"now that the enemy knows we won't actually kill them"
>You would prefer that the world thinks when we capture and interrogate their
>citizens that we might kill them?
You bet! The MOST effective interrogation techniques rely on the
interrogators 20% skill and the interrogatee's 80% fear.
>From the McCain-Romney debate...
> I am astonished that you would think such a--such a torture would be
>inflicted on anyone in our--who we are held captive and anyone could believe
>that that's not torture. It's in violation of the Geneva Convention. It's in
>violation of existing law.
> And, governor, let me tell you, if we're going to get the high ground in
>this world and we're going to be the America that we have cherished and
>loved for more than 200 years. We're not going to torture people.
> We're not going to do what Pol Pot did. We're not going to do what's
>being done to Burmese monks as we speak.
>Romney persisted in leaving his options open, and McCain replied:
> Well, then you would have to advocate that we withdraw from the Geneva
>Conventions, which were for the treatment of people who were held prisoners,
>whether they be illegal combatants or regular prisoners of war. Because it's
>clear the definition of torture.
>Then a follow up the next day..
>"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as
>torture; otherwise, we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing
>that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.
McCain was WRONG. See above.
>"I would also hope that he would not want to be associated with a technique
>which was invented in the Spanish Inquisition, was used by Pol Pot in one of
>the great eras of genocide in history and is being used on Burmese monks as
>we speak," the Arizona senator said. "America is a better nation than that."
>"If the United States was in another conflict, which could easily happen,
>with another country, and we have allowed that kind of torture to be
>inflicted on people we hold captive, then there's nothing to prevent that
>enemy from also torturing American prisoners," McCain said..
Classic STUPID notion.
We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
off.
So America NOT hacking off heads DID NOT PREVENT our enemy from
hacking off heads.
>Smack Down Bitch
McCain is easy to smackdown. Remember he is a victim of REAL torture.
Gandalf Grey
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continuing to kick your sorry ass, Lamer
Patriot Games
>After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and
>participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East,
>generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials.
International Military Tribunal for the Far East (IMTFE)
http://www.cnd.org/mirror/nanjing/NMTT.html
>Leading members of
>Japan's military and government elite were charged, AMONG THEIR MANY
>OTHER CRIMES, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians.
>The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based
>was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.
The last sentence is where the author of YOUR LIE gets caught:
The indictment accused the defendants of promoting a scheme of
conquest that "contemplated and carried out ... murdering, maiming and
ill-treating prisoners of war (and) civilian internees ... forcing
them to labor under inhumane conditions ... plundering public and
private property, wantonly destroying cities, towns and villages
beyond any justification of military necessity; (perpetrating) mass
murder, rape, pillage, brigandage, torture and other barbaric
cruelties upon the helpless civilian population of the over-run
countries."
http://www.cnd.org/mirror/nanjing/NMTT.html
>Here's another:
>http://robinrowland.com/garret/2005_11_01__archive.html
>"Cyril Wild’s investigation torture in Singapore showed that similar
>water torture was a favourite tactic of the kempeitai:
Not relevant.
>Corroboration for the above:
>http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_874_2004-12-30.html
Still not relevant.
>Time for you to start squirming and weaseling again, queer boy.
See above.
The Japs were convicted of far more serious crimes than simple
waterboarding. The author of YOUR LIE, which YOU now own, attempted
to make waterboarding MORE SERIOUS than murdering and maiming
prisoners of war and civilian internees.
The author of YOUR LIE is a LIAR. YOU, therefore, are a LIAR.
Patriot Games
<jtu...@localnet.com> wrote:
>We need to determine who authorized the same torture this time...
The Senate authorized it....
Gandalf Grey
"Pathetic and Lame" <Path...@America.Com> wrote in message
> The Japs were convicted of far more serious crimes than simple
> waterboarding.
Waterboarding is a war crime, Lamer. Choke on it.
Gandalf Grey
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Proof?
>
SilentOtto
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:58:11 -0500, "Bugman" <jmpos...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
> >news:v4o1v4dogpta8dgqs...@4ax.com...> >>>"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
> >>>news:7pr0v45eu3ke5gued...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:24:26 -0500, "Bugman" <jmpos...@hotmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:s15vu45kmpmki917i...@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:36:58 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
> >>>>>>>Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in talk.politics.misc:
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:43:01 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
> >>>>>>>>>Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
Perhaps we'd have fewer if we treated other countries with the respect
we demand they give us.
>
> >> But you could try explaining how "the world think of us as murderers"
> >> when we never did actual torture and when we never did kill anyone
> >> while interrogating them?
> >Our country has FUCKING ADMITTED we waterboarded prisoners. A technique that
> >has been classified world wide as torture.
>
> You FAILED to explain how "the world think of us as murderers" when we
> never did actually kill anyone while interrogating them?
Liar.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?_r=1
"Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American
jailers continued to torment him."
> >The U.S. executed Japanese for waterboard torturing our soldiers.
>
> Wrong.
Liar.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR200...
"After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for
waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of
his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air
Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the
Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I
was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt
when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or
less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and
death."
Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his
captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and
participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East,
generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of
Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many
other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians.
The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based
was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.
In this case from the tribunal's records, the victim was a prisoner in
Q: Was it painful?
Here's another:
http://robinrowland.com/garret/2005_11_01__archive.html
"Cyril Wild’s investigation torture in Singapore showed that similar
water torture was a favourite tactic of the kempeitai:
Wild questioned one of the those accused in the case, Sgt. Major Masuo
Makizono.
To Makizono, the most important aim was to discover how and what
information was being passed from the civilian internees to the
British guerrilla forces.
Turning to the beating and torture, Wild asked: “Why were these
cruelties practiced?”
“None of them would say where the transmitter was,” Makizono said. “No
information could be gotten from them about the location of British
forces.”
He told Wild beating was the most common form of abuse. If the
kempeitai was dissatisfied with the answers or if they thought the
prisoner was lying, they would use torture.
Makizono denied ever using an iron bar to hit a prisoner, but admitted
he used his fist and he had used a bamboo pole on the arms, legs and
torso. He pointed to the spots on his own body.
“Did you ever use the water treatment?” Wild asked.
Makizono described how suspects were tied up and laid on the ground. A
kempeitai would force open then the prisoners’ mouth, while another
poured a bucket of water down the throat.
“Did you block up the nose?” was Wild’s last question.
No, Makizono replied hee preferred to leave the nostrils open so he
could pour water into them as well.
Wild noted: “He appeared to take personal pride in describing such
methods.”
The case was not just a war crime. It is a lesson in intelligence
failure. The torture and imprisonment of dozens of innocent civilians
and the inhuman treatment was used because the kempeitai could not
conceive that regular force commandos, today’s equivalent of Special
Forces, could attack Singapore. So they focused on civilians,
civilians who were already imprisoned, civilians who were resisting
their captors—as all prisoners do—but civilians who were not saboteurs
or terrorists.
The man who authorized those techniques at the Singapore YMCA, Lt.
Col. Sumida, was sentenced to hang. Sumida, in his statement during
the trial said, “I felt the state of peace and order and this serious
incident were related and that a thorough measure should be taken to
prevent the recurrence of such serious incidents.”
Six other members of the kempeitai plus an interpreter were sentenced
to hang. Three were sentenced to life, including one interpreter
called “the fat American” (he was originally from California) One
received 15 years, and one kempeitai and one interpreter eight."
Corroboration for the above:
http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_874_2004-12-30.html
"The Double Tenth trial was conducted on 18 March 1946 against 21
Time for you to start squirming and weaseling again, queer boy.
>
> "The Men put on trial in 1947 and 1948 were the first of 20,000
> civilian and military former leaders who had either killed
> prisoners...
>
> "Using biological, chemical and thermal tests on Chinese and Allied
> prisoners, they dropped bubonic plague on Chinese cities, froze naked
> Soviet prisoners in refrigerators, and experimented with anthrax,
> mustard and phosgene gas on POWs."http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/warcrimes.htm
>
> Try again.
See above.
>
> >"now that the enemy knows we won't actually kill them"
> >You would prefer that the world thinks when we capture and interrogate their
> >citizens that we might kill them?
>
> You bet! The MOST effective interrogation techniques rely on the
> interrogators 20% skill and the interrogatee's 80% fear.
Cite?
> >From the McCain-Romney debate...
> > I am astonished that you would think such a--such a torture would be
> >inflicted on anyone in our--who we are held captive and anyone could believe
> >that that's not torture. It's in violation of the Geneva Convention. It's in
> >violation of existing law.
> > And, governor, let me tell you, if we're going to get the high ground in
> >this world and we're going to be the America that we have cherished and
> >loved for more than 200 years. We're not going to torture people.
> > We're not going to do what Pol Pot did. We're not going to do what's
> >being done to Burmese monks as we speak.
> >Romney persisted in leaving his options open, and McCain replied:
> > Well, then you would have to advocate that we withdraw from the Geneva
> >Conventions, which were for the treatment of people who were held prisoners,
> >whether they be illegal combatants or regular prisoners of war. Because it's
> >clear the definition of torture.
> >Then a follow up the next day..
> >"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as
> >torture; otherwise, we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing
> >that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.
>
> McCain was WRONG. See above.
Liar.
See above.
>
> >"I would also hope that he would not want to be associated with a technique
> >which was invented in the Spanish Inquisition, was used by Pol Pot in one of
> >the great eras of genocide in history and is being used on Burmese monks as
> >we speak," the Arizona senator said. "America is a better nation than that."
> >"If the United States was in another conflict, which could easily happen,
> >with another country, and we have allowed that kind of torture to be
> >inflicted on people we hold captive, then there's nothing to prevent that
> >enemy from also torturing American prisoners," McCain said..
>
> Classic STUPID notion.
>
> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
> off.
No...
Instead we beat one so badly he died from shock.
> So America NOT hacking off heads DID NOT PREVENT our enemy from
> hacking off heads.
You think our standards of conduct should be set by Muslim
terrorists...
Doesn't that make you a Muslim terrorist?
>
> >Smack Down Bitch
>
> McCain is easy to smackdown. Remember he is a victim of REAL torture.
Water boarding IS real torture.
See above.
Don Gabacho
I do believe that even if the interrogated was told and convinced that he
was not going to be killed, which could very well have been the case, the
mere sensation of being killed (by drowning) would matter enough.
Hell. I would think after repeated sessions the interrogated would even beg
to be killed just to get it over with.
Patriot Games
Its not my fault you're a stupid under-educated nigger.
>> You FAILED to explain how "the world think of us as murderers" when we
>> never did actually kill anyone while interrogating them?
>Liar.
>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?_r=1
>"Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American
>jailers continued to torment him."
"In December, 2002, Mullah Habibullah and a man named Dilawar died
while being held for interrogation at Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan.
[...] Capt. Christopher M. Beiring, then the leader of the military
police company guarding the prisoners, was charged with lying to
investigators and being derelict in his duties. He was the only
officer charged in the deaths. Friday, the military announced that
charges against Beiring have been dropped. Why were charges dropped
against Captain Beiring? The Washington Times has this quote from the
Article 32 hearing findings of Lt. Col. Thomas S. Berg, who made the
recommendation: I see no evidence ... that Capt. Beiring failed to
perform his duty to the best of his ability. As a newly classified MP,
newly assigned to command MP guard company that was going off to war
to do an ill-defined mission for which it was not designed for or even
notionally trained, in a crud-hold like the [Bagram Collection Point]
in 2002 with [military intelligence] calling the shots, Capt. Beiring
was sorely challenged at every step."
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/01/08/245/05634
Poor stupid under-educated nigger. Try again.
>> >The U.S. executed Japanese for waterboard torturing our soldiers.
>> Wrong.
>Liar.
This was already debuked.
>> >"now that the enemy knows we won't actually kill them"
>> >You would prefer that the world thinks when we capture and interrogate their
>> >citizens that we might kill them?
>> You bet! The MOST effective interrogation techniques rely on the
>> interrogators 20% skill and the interrogatee's 80% fear.
>Cite?
Poor stupid under-educated nigger. I will NEVER provide cites for YOU
on request. You LOST the privilege of being INSTRUCTED by me when YOU
LIED.
>> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
>> off.
>No...
July 10, 2006
Beheading Desecration Video of Dead U.S. Soldiers Released on Internet
by al Qaeda (Video/Images)
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/183865.php
Poor stupid under-educated nigger. You can't stop yourself from
LYING.
But I don't have to be burdened with it.
Poor stupid under-educated nigger.
You're dismissed.
Patriot Games
You LOST the privilege of being INSTRUCTED by me when you MALICIOUSLY
EDITED my post.
You exist now ONLY as my personal toilet.
Patriot Games
<vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Pathetic and Lame" <Path...@America.Com> wrote in message
>news:ks54v4plm5oen85d7...@4ax.com...
>> The Japs were convicted of far more serious crimes than simple
>> waterboarding.
Gandalf Grey is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTHY.
SilentOtto
> >After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and
> >participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East,
> >generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials.
>
>
> >Leading members of
> >Japan's military and government elite were charged, AMONG THEIR MANY
> >OTHER CRIMES, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians.
> >The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based
> >was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.
>
> The last sentence is where the author of YOUR LIE gets caught:
>
> The indictment accused the defendants of promoting a scheme of
> conquest that "contemplated and carried out ... murdering, maiming and
> ill-treating prisoners of war (and) civilian internees ... forcing
> them to labor under inhumane conditions ... plundering public and
> private property, wantonly destroying cities, towns and villages
> beyond any justification of military necessity; (perpetrating) mass
> murder, rape, pillage, brigandage, torture and other barbaric
> cruelties upon the helpless civilian population of the over-run
> countries."http://www.cnd.org/mirror/nanjing/NMTT.html
That link just mentions more of the war crimes Japanese were convicted
of.
It doesn't invalidate that torture using water boarding is one of the
crimes they were convicted of.
What you're saying is that because other crimes were committed,
torture doesn't count.
That's bullshit, Patriot Gaymes, and you damn well know it.
>
> >Here's another:
> >http://robinrowland.com/garret/2005_11_01__archive.html
> >"Cyril Wild’s investigation torture in Singapore showed that similar
> >water torture was a favourite tactic of the kempeitai:
>
> Not relevant.
Of course it's relevant, Queer Boy.
Japanese officers were executed for water boarding.
Is that the best weasel you have?
>
> >Corroboration for the above:
> >http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_874_2004-12-30.html
>
> Still not relevant.
Of course it's relevant, Queer Boy.
Japanese officers were executed for water boarding.
Is that the best weasel you have?
>
> >Time for you to start squirming and weaseling again, queer boy.
>
> See above.
All I see is a piss poor attempt to weasel, Queer Boy.
> The Japs were convicted of far more serious crimes than simple
> waterboarding.
That doesn't invalidate the FACT that torture using water boarding is
one of the crimes they were convicted of.
>The author of YOUR LIE, which YOU now own, attempted
> to make waterboarding MORE SERIOUS than murdering and maiming
> prisoners of war and civilian internees.
You're lying, queer boy.
Nobody said it was MORE SERIOUS, it was only said that it was SERIOUS
ENOUGH that we convicted and executed people for doing it.
> The author of YOUR LIE is a LIAR. YOU, therefore, are a LIAR.
BAWHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA...
You've once again been PROVEN a LIAR, Queer Boy.
Your denials aren't any surprise. I know well how you operate.
This is just another instance were you'll refuse to admit that you've
had your ASS HANDED TO YOU.
I don't need your submission to know I've KICKED YOUR ASS AGAIN.
Rockinghorse Winner
> On Apr 23, 5:44 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
> Liar.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
>
> "Waterboarding is a form of TORTURE that consists of immobilizing the
> victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then
> pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced
> suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning
> and is caused to believe they are about to die."
>
>> and when we never did kill anyone while interrogating them?
>
> Liar.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?_r=1
>
> "Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American
> jailers continued to torment him."
>
> Heh heh...
>
> Insane lying racist rightard closet queer sheep fucking coprophile
> shit eating posing gay porn faggots...
>
> Toofuckingeasy...
>
> Get to pasting, Shit Eater.
Whoa, TMI! Aren't you the least concerned that you're revealing so
much about yourself? Hey, you can go to whatever web sites you want. Just
keep it out of alt.politics, SilentOtto!
--
But Being - what is Being? It is itself. Future thinking, thought that is to
come, must learn to experience this and to say it. Martin Heidegger
Gandalf Grey
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:05:01 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
> <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>"Pathetic and Lame" <Path...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>news:ks54v4plm5oen85d7...@4ax.com...
>>> The Japs were convicted of far more serious crimes than simple
>>> waterboarding.
Waterboarding is a war crime, Lamer. Choke on it.
Gandalf Grey
"Pathetic and Lame" <Path...@America.Com> wrote in message
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:05:31 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
> <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>"Pathetic and Lame" <Path...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>news:ok64v4dhleb4olgk1...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:39 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
>>> <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>>We need to determine who authorized the same torture this time...
>>> The Senate authorized it....
>>Proof?
>
> You LOST
Actually we won and hurled your collective reich wing asses into the
political wilderness, Lamer.
Now cough up the proof or face the fact that I've KICKED YOUR ASS again.
Gandalf Grey
"Pathetic and Lame" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:bkc4v4hi1v00fs7ar...@4ax.com...
It's not our fault that you're a bigoted piece of crap, Lamer.
How often do I have to kick your ass, Lamer?
Patriot Games
Gandalf Grey
"Pathetic and Lame" <Pathet...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:mle4v4l5op4jb4ur7...@4ax.com...
Actually we won and hurled your collective reich wing asses into the
Patriot Games
Feel free to find waterboarding SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the ACTUAL
INDICTMENTS.
Feel free to find waterboarding SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the ACTUAL
CONVICTIONS.
Gandalf Grey
"Pathetic and Lame" <Path...@America.Com> wrote in message
Suck on this, Lamer.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/dec/18/john-mccain/history-supports-mccains-stance-on-waterboarding/
History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding
The morning after the CNN/YouTube debate in St. Petersburg, John McCain
remained firm in his stand against the use of an interrogation technique
called "waterboarding." He cited solid history to buttress his position.
"I forgot to mention last night that following World War II war crime trials
were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes
committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were
convicted was waterboarding," he told reporters at a campaign event.
"If the United States is in another conflict ... and we have allowed that
kind of torture to be inflicted upon people we hold captive, then there is
nothing to prevent that enemy from also torturing American prisoners."
McCain is referencing the Tokyo Trials, officially known as the
International Military Tribunal for the Far East. After World War II, an
international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with
torture. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation,
known variously then as "water cure," "water torture" and "waterboarding,"
according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning.
R. John Pritchard, a historian and lawyer who is a top scholar on the
trials, said the Japanese felt the ends justified the means. "The rapid and
effective collection of intelligence then, as now, was seen as vital to a
successful struggle, and in addition, those who were engaged in torture
often felt that whatever pain and anguish was suffered by the victims of
torture was nothing less than the just deserts of the victims or people
close to them," he said.
In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of
International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that
the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome
and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American
judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time
in labor camps.
We find McCain's retelling of history to be accurate, so we give him a True.
Sources:
Interview with R. John Pritchard, author of The Tokyo War Crimes Trial: The
Complete Transcripts of the Proceedings of the International Military
Tribunal for the Far East, 1981
Interview with Yuma Totani, history professor at the University of
Nevada-Las Vegas
Columbia Journal of Transnational Law, "Drop by Drop: Forgetting the History
of Water Torture in U.S. Courts," May 2007
Written by: John Frank
Researched by: John Frank
Edited by: Amy Hollyfield
Articles about this statement:
History is not their best subject
>
SilentOtto
Heh heh...
You're so cute when you're flusterd, Queer Boy.
>
> >> You FAILED to explain how "the world think of us as murderers" when we
> >> never did actually kill anyone while interrogating them?
> >Liar.
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?_r=1
> >"Even as the young Afghan man was dying before them, his American
> >jailers continued to torment him."
>
> "In December, 2002, Mullah Habibullah and a man named Dilawar died
> while being held for interrogation at Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan.
> [...] Capt. Christopher M. Beiring, then the leader of the military
> police company guarding the prisoners, was charged with lying to
> investigators and being derelict in his duties. He was the only
> officer charged in the deaths. Friday, the military announced that
> charges against Beiring have been dropped. Why were charges dropped
> against Captain Beiring? The Washington Times has this quote from the
> Article 32 hearing findings of Lt. Col. Thomas S. Berg, who made the
> recommendation: I see no evidence ... that Capt. Beiring failed to
> perform his duty to the best of his ability. As a newly classified MP,
> newly assigned to command MP guard company that was going off to war
> to do an ill-defined mission for which it was not designed for or even
> notionally trained, in a crud-hold like the [Bagram Collection Point]
> in 2002 with [military intelligence] calling the shots, Capt. Beiring
> was sorely challenged at every step."
Not so fast, Queer Boy.
Your claims was that we "never did actually kill anyone while
interrogating them", not whether or not anyone was convicted of a
crime relating to the torture death.
Your own cite concedes that a man DID DIE UNDER INTERROGATION at
Bagram airbase.
In other words, a man was tortured to death at Bagram airbase.
Whether or not anyone was prosecuted for the crime is TOTALLY AND
UTTERLY ILLRELEVENT.
> http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/01/08/245/05634
>
> Poor stupid under-educated nigger. Try again.
Heh heh...
Squirm, Queer boy, squrim...
Like I said.
A man was tortured to death at Bagram airbase.
> >> >The U.S. executed Japanese for waterboard torturing our soldiers.
> >> Wrong.
> >Liar.
>
> This was already debuked.
No it wasn't.
It was subjected to your weaseling, and nothing more.
> >> >"now that the enemy knows we won't actually kill them"
> >> >You would prefer that the world thinks when we capture and interrogate their
> >> >citizens that we might kill them?
> >> You bet! The MOST effective interrogation techniques rely on the
> >> interrogators 20% skill and the interrogatee's 80% fear.
> >Cite?
>
> Poor stupid under-educated nigger. I will NEVER provide cites for YOU
> on request. You LOST the privilege of being INSTRUCTED by me when YOU
> LIED.
Heh heh...
In other words, YOU'RE TALKING OUT YOUR RIGHTARD CLOSET QUEER ASS.
Thanks.
>
> >> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
> >> off.
> >No...
>
> July 10, 2006
> Beheading Desecration Video of Dead U.S. Soldiers Released on Internet
> by al Qaeda (Video/Images)http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/183865.php
>
> Poor stupid under-educated nigger. You can't stop yourself from
> LYING.
You snipped the rest of what I wrote to change the meaning of my
comment, Queer Boy.
That makes you a rightard closet queer snip bitch.
Here's what I really wrote:
"> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
> off.
No...
Instead we beat one so badly he died from shock."
See the difference queer boy?
I didn't dispute that Muslims had hacked people's heads off. I only
pointed out that our methods of killing people in our custody were
different.
You were LYING.
> But I don't have to be burdened with it.
I'll be here to point our your lies whenever you make them, Patriot
Gaymes.
Heh heh...
Insane lying racist rightard closet queer sheep fucking coprophile
shit eating posing SNIP BITCH gay porn faggots...
Toofuckingeasy...
Get to pasting, Shit Eater.
> Poor stupid under-educated nigger.
>
> You're dismissed.
SilentOtto
Already done, Snip Bitch.
That's why you snipped it away.
"After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for
waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of
his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air
Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the
Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I
was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt
when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or
less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and
death."
Heh heh...
Insane lying racist rightard closet queer sheep fucking coprophile
shit eating posing snip bitch gay porn faggots...
Jeffrey Turner
The Republican Senate? Why am I not surprised.
--Jeff
--
The comfort of the wealthy has always
depended upon an abundant supply of
the poor. --Voltaire
SilentOtto
Patriot Gaymes is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTY.
Don't believe ANYTHING that Patriot Gaymes posts.
In this post I engaged in this exchange with Patriot Gaymes:
====
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/b1b76559eea62fee?
> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
> off.
No...
Instead we beat one so badly he died from shock."
===
In his response he edited my words to change the meaning of my
comment:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/90ac1548df23aedd
===
">> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
>> off.
>No...
July 10, 2006
Beheading Desecration Video of Dead U.S. Soldiers Released on Internet
by al Qaeda (Video/Images)
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/183865.php"
===
Patriot Gaymes is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTY.
Don't believe ANYTHING that Patriot Gaymes posts.
Best thing you could do is KILLFILE the MALICIOUS LIAR Patriot Gaymes.
Heh heh...
Insane lying racist rightard closet queer sheep fucking coprophile
shit eating posing snip bitch gay porn faggots...
Toofuckingeasy...
Get to pasting, Shit Eater.
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:12:10 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
>
> <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gandalf Grey is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTHY.
>
> Don't believe ANYTHING that Gandalf Grey posts.
>
> I wrote:
> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46c1ff5d$0$3758
> $4c368...@roadrunner.com...
>
> > "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >news:5723c3ddgr29hthjr...@4ax.com...
> >>http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=133...
> >> Task Force Lightning Soldiers killed
> > Murdered by blood-thirsty two-faced lying Democrats who fully funded the War
> > after LYING when they said they would stop the War.
>
> Then Gandalf Grey EDITED MY WORDS:
>
> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46c1fed2$0$24410
> $9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com...
>
> > "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message
> >news:46c1ff5d$0$3758$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >> "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >>news:5723c3ddgr29hthjr...@4ax.com...
> >>>http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=133...
SilentOtto
====
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/b1b76559eea62fee?
No...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/90ac1548df23aedd
===
>> off.
>No...
Heh heh...
Toofuckingeasy...
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:05:31 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
>
> <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"Pathetic and Lame" <Pathe...@America.Com> wrote in message
> >news:ok64v4dhleb4olgk1...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:25:39 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
> >> <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote:
> >>>We need to determine who authorized the same torture this time...
> >> The Senate authorized it....
> >Proof?
>
> You LOST the privilege of being INSTRUCTED by me when you MALICIOUSLY
> EDITED my post.
>
> You exist now ONLY as my personal toilet.
>
> Gandalf Grey is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTHY.
>
> Don't believe ANYTHING that Gandalf Grey posts.
>
> I wrote:
> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46c1ff5d$0$3758
> $4c368...@roadrunner.com...
>
> > "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >news:5723c3ddgr29hthjr...@4ax.com...
> >>http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=133...
> >> Task Force Lightning Soldiers killed
> > Murdered by blood-thirsty two-faced lying Democrats who fully funded the War
> > after LYING when they said they would stop the War.
>
> Then Gandalf Grey EDITED MY WORDS:
>
> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46c1fed2$0$24410
> $9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com...
>
> > "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message
> >news:46c1ff5d$0$3758$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >> "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >>news:5723c3ddgr29hthjr...@4ax.com...
> >>>http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=133...
SilentOtto
====
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/b1b76559eea62fee?
No...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/90ac1548df23aedd
===
>> off.
>No...
Heh heh...
Toofuckingeasy...
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:10:26 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
>
> <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You LOST the privilege of being INSTRUCTED by me when you MALICIOUSLY
> EDITED my post.
>
> You exist now ONLY as my personal toilet.
>
> Gandalf Grey is MALICIOUS, UNTRUSTWORTHY.
>
> Don't believe ANYTHING that Gandalf Grey posts.
>
> I wrote:
> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46c1ff5d$0$3758
> $4c368...@roadrunner.com...
>
> > "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >news:5723c3ddgr29hthjr...@4ax.com...
> >>http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=133...
> >> Task Force Lightning Soldiers killed
> > Murdered by blood-thirsty two-faced lying Democrats who fully funded the War
> > after LYING when they said they would stop the War.
>
> Then Gandalf Grey EDITED MY WORDS:
>
> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46c1fed2$0$24410
> $9a6e1...@news.newshosting.com...
>
> > "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message
> >news:46c1ff5d$0$3758$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >> "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >>news:5723c3ddgr29hthjr...@4ax.com...
> >>>http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=133...
Bugman
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
news:gk44v4l74r2d8uee7...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:58:11 -0500, "Bugman" <jmpo...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>news:v4o1v4dogpta8dgqs...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:19:41 -0500, "Bugman" <jmpo...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>>>news:7pr0v45eu3ke5gued...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:24:26 -0500, "Bugman" <jmpo...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:s15vu45kmpmki917i...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:36:58 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
>>>>>>> <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in talk.politics.misc:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:43:01 GMT, "Winston Smith, American
>>>>>>>>> Patriot"
>>>>>>>>> <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>>> But you could try explaining how "the world think of us as murderers"
>>> when we never did actual torture and when we never did kill anyone
>>> while interrogating them?
>>Our country has FUCKING ADMITTED we waterboarded prisoners. A technique
>>that
>>has been classified world wide as torture.
>
> You FAILED to explain how "the world think of us as murderers" when we
> never did actually kill anyone while interrogating them?
>
>>The U.S. executed Japanese for waterboard torturing our soldiers.
>
> Wrong.
>
> "The Men put on trial in 1947 and 1948 were the first of 20,000
> civilian and military former leaders who had either killed
> prisoners...
>
> "Using biological, chemical and thermal tests on Chinese and Allied
> prisoners, they dropped bubonic plague on Chinese cities, froze naked
> Soviet prisoners in refrigerators, and experimented with anthrax,
> mustard and phosgene gas on POWs."
> http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/warcrimes.htm
Just because you pasted a sentence that doesn't mention waterboarding isn't
going to work.
In 1947, the U.S. charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes
for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard
labor.
>
> Try again.
Please do
>
>>"now that the enemy knows we won't actually kill them"
>>You would prefer that the world thinks when we capture and interrogate
>>their
>>citizens that we might kill them?
>
> You bet! The MOST effective interrogation techniques rely on the
> interrogators 20% skill and the interrogatee's 80% fear.
That's bullshit. And anyway I wasn't talking about the prisoner. I was
talking about other countries opinion of the U.S. You would prefer other
countries think that when we capture and interrogate one of their citizens
that we might kill them? Meaning that we pay no attention to international
law and the Geneva convention. I know you're an uncivilized piece of shit
but the rest of us don't have to join you.
>>"I would also hope that he would not want to be associated with a
>>technique
>>which was invented in the Spanish Inquisition, was used by Pol Pot in one
>>of
>>the great eras of genocide in history and is being used on Burmese monks
>>as
>>we speak," the Arizona senator said. "America is a better nation than
>>that."
>>"If the United States was in another conflict, which could easily happen,
>>with another country, and we have allowed that kind of torture to be
>>inflicted on people we hold captive, then there's nothing to prevent that
>>enemy from also torturing American prisoners," McCain said..
>
> Classic STUPID notion.
>
> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
> off.
>
> So America NOT hacking off heads DID NOT PREVENT our enemy from
> hacking off heads.
So you think we need to be MORE LIKE Muslim terrorists. Fuck you
>
>>Smack Down Bitch
>
> McCain is easy to smackdown. Remember he is a victim of REAL torture.
>
That's not what a bunch of other prisoners said. They said he got easier
treatment because of his daddy.
Patriot Games
<silen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 24, 5:53 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
>> >> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
>> >> off.
>> >No...
>> July 10, 2006
>> Beheading Desecration Video of Dead U.S. Soldiers Released on Internet
>> by al Qaeda (Video/Images)http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/183865.php
>> Poor stupid under-educated nigger. You can't stop yourself from
>> LYING.
See above.
Patriot Games
Prove it.
Post the ACTUAL CHARGES.
Post the ACTUAL CONVICTIONS.
>>>"If the United States was in another conflict, which could easily happen,
>>>with another country, and we have allowed that kind of torture to be
>>>inflicted on people we hold captive, then there's nothing to prevent that
>>>enemy from also torturing American prisoners," McCain said..
>> Classic STUPID notion.
>> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
>> off.
>> So America NOT hacking off heads DID NOT PREVENT our enemy from
>> hacking off heads.
>So you think we need to be MORE LIKE Muslim terrorists. Fuck you
I think the stupid notion that if we don't do something our not doing
it will magically cause others not to do it is BULLSHIT.
>That's not what a bunch of other prisoners said. They said he got easier
>treatment because of his daddy.
McCain is irrelevant. Your attempt to change the Subject is REJECTED.
Patriot Games
<silen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 24, 3:35 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
>In this post I engaged in this exchange with Patriot Gaymes:
>====
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/b1b76559eea62fee?
>> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
>> off.
>No...
You LIED.
July 10, 2006
Beheading Desecration Video of Dead U.S. Soldiers Released on Internet
by al Qaeda (Video/Images)
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/183865.php
Poor stupid under-educated nigger. You can't stop yourself from
LYING.
>Instead we beat one so badly he died from shock."
There is NO PROOF that we "we beat one so badly he died from shock."
NO CHARGES WERE FILED.
"In December, 2002, Mullah Habibullah and a man named Dilawar died
while being held for interrogation at Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan.
[...] Capt. Christopher M. Beiring, then the leader of the military
police company guarding the prisoners, was charged with lying to
investigators and being derelict in his duties. He was the only
officer charged in the deaths. Friday, the military announced that
charges against Beiring have been dropped. Why were charges dropped
against Captain Beiring? The Washington Times has this quote from the
Article 32 hearing findings of Lt. Col. Thomas S. Berg, who made the
recommendation: I see no evidence ... that Capt. Beiring failed to
perform his duty to the best of his ability. As a newly classified MP,
newly assigned to command MP guard company that was going off to war
to do an ill-defined mission for which it was not designed for or even
notionally trained, in a crud-hold like the [Bagram Collection Point]
in 2002 with [military intelligence] calling the shots, Capt. Beiring
was sorely challenged at every step."
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/01/08/245/05634
Poor stupid under-educated nigger.
You're dismissed.
Patriot Games
Patriot Games
Patriot Games
No, you didn't.
What part of "ACTUAL INDICTMENTS" don't you understand?
You posted a newspaper article....
What part of "ACTUAL CONVICTIONS" don't you understand?
You posted a newspaper article....
Gandalf Grey
"Pathetic and Lame" <Path...@America.Com> wrote in message
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:21:10 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
> <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You exist now ONLY as my personal
devil and I kick your ass everytime you open your ugly mouth, Lamer.
Gandalf Grey
"Pathetic and Lame" <Path...@America.Com> wrote in message
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:32:29 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
> <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You exist now ONLY
Only to continue to kick your smelly ass around the group everytime you show
up, you pathetic toad.
And that's NEVER GOING TO STOP.
SilentOtto
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:41:00 -0700 (PDT), SilentOtto
>
> >On Apr 24, 5:53 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
> >> >> We NEVER hacked anyone's head off. Muslims DID hack peoples heads
> >> >> off.
> >> >No...
> >> July 10, 2006
> >> Beheading Desecration Video of Dead U.S. Soldiers Released on Internet
> >> by al Qaeda (Video/Images)http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/183865.php
> >> Poor stupid under-educated nigger. You can't stop yourself from
> >> LYING.
> >> You're dismissed.
>
> See above.
Admission of DEFEAT noted, Queer Boy.
Heh heh...
Insane lying racist rightard closet queer sheep fucking coprophile
shit eating posing snip bitch gay porn faggots...