alt.horror Ongoing Flamewar FAQ
Avoid normal situations.
Last modified: 12/10/2009
Contents
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Introduction
1. Is this about *all* the ongoing flamewars on alt.horror?
2. What about Lifshine?
3. Why should I care?
4. Is Stain a stalker?
5. Is Stain crazy?
6. Is Stain autistic?
7. So if none of the accusations made of you have much, if any, basis in
fact, why are they being repeated so often?
8. What are you going to do about this?
Afterword
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Introduction
This is a biased report. ((tm) Harlan Ellison)
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1. Is this about *all* the ongoing flamewars on alt.horror?
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No. Just the one starring yours truly.
However, if you are being bullied by any of the people named in this
document, you are more than welcome to use any of the evidence I have
gathered herein against them. If you like, you may think of this FAQ as
an ammo dump. :-)
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2. What about Lifshine?
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He doesn't matter.
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3. Why should I care?
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You shouldn't. If you don't already know what this FAQ concerns, you
probably don't really need to know, and can stop reading this document right
here. I won't mind. In fact, I would encourage you to do so.
That being said, a casual look at Google reveals that I was the number one
most prolific poster on alt.horror in June 2009. As such, you may be wondering
what the dickens this engagement concerns. I have written this document to
explain, all in one place, exactly what I am doing and why. If you are indeed
curious, feel free to read on. Requests for additional information will be
considered.
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4. Is Stain a stalker?
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Short answer: no.
More complete answer: once upon a time, there was a regular a.h. poster by
name of Robert Lee. For a while after he retreated from Usenet, he maintained
a blog -- http://spimby.livejournal.com. He and I were friendly at the time I
first noticed it, so I began to read it. I found, however, that my opinion of
him kept going farther and farther down as his posts became progressively
rude, immature, and mean-spirited.
Once upon a time, he posted a semi-rant about software engineers as a
tangent from some sort of war story about his days working as a graphic
designer. I remember him saying, "You know how some people think they know
everything? Well, software engineers know they do," and how us software guys
are "the least-laid human beings in existence". I commented that article
stating, basically, "Ah, you do know you're insulting *me* by painting with
that kind of broad brush, don't you?" (I was also tempted to point out that
my last ladyfriend was a HELL of a lot better looking than his current SO,
but that might have been in rather poor taste. *evil grin*)
He proceeded to respond that he was talking about *those* software engineers
at that particular time in that particular office, not us coders in general...
when, of course, anyone could have just looked back at his article and seen
that that clearly wasn't true. I was still wondering how, exactly, to respond
to something that stupid when he simply deleted his article and all its
comments, and pretended the whole incident had never happened from there on
out.
At the time, I kinda took it in stride; I've gotten used to this sort of
intellectual penis envy from neighbors, colleagues, and various other sorts
by now. This incident is significant, however, in that it is the occasion I
tried to reason with him gently but firmly, and he proceeded to take the
chance I gave him and use it to make an even larger horse's ass of himself.
It's one of those times when your opinion of somebody goes down so many
notches in a short time that you can practically hear the "ka-CHUNK".
Did I mention that Robert Lee is over 40 years old?
The last straw was when he proudly posted the end result of his latest
Photoshop session: he had altered the following poster...
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3664157952/tt0403508
...so that the title was now _The Sisterhood of the Traveling Tampon_, and
the tagline was now, "Laugh. Cry. Plug it up."
I remember thinking, "OK. That does it. Fuck this guy," and removing the
bookmark of his blog from my browser on the spot. A few minutes later,
however, I thought better of it... for I realized that I had a golden
opportunity before me. Movies have been made about the physical and mental
disintegration of folks that abuse alcohol and nastier substances (_The Lost
Weekend_, _Days of Wine and Roses_, _Leaving Las Vegas_, to name just a few);
I knew that this may very well be the only time I get to witness this
happening to somebody in real time. Having grown up in California, I've seen
this kind of long-term suicide before, mind you... but rarely is this sort of
thing seen live on the Internet. Therefore, I could watch in morbid
fascination as he dug his own grave with virtually no effort on my part.
The fact that he used to be smart before he killed all those neurons and
exhaled their remains in countless clouds of potsmoke made it even more
interesting. People don't pay money to see normal people go off the deep
end, after all.
In time, my vigil paid off. I knew he'd exhaust the patience of everyone
else as well, sooner or later. One fine day, he posted this rant about
how he'd been in a bagel shop that day, and the gal behind the counter was
wearing a Muslim headdress of some sort... about how it was really a symbol
of Islamic oppression of women and blah blah blah, and he called her a
"bitch".
Evidently it never occurred to this dedicated husband and family man that
a woman might wear something just because her mother gave it to her, or
because she thought it looks cute. Lee's post was that oh so rare combination
of rude, stupid, *and* pedantic all at the same time. Before any time at all
had elapsed, he had about 150 comments on that post, the nicest of which were
various "friends" of his following up with, "You OK, pal?" Before much longer,
he deleted his entire journal and disappeared into the aether.
And that was the end of spimby.livejournal.com. That was a much funnier end
than I had ever imagined, or for which I had ever dared to hope.
Sun-tzu once observed, "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles
is not the acme of skill. To subdue one's opponent without fighting is the
acme of skill." From a flaming standpoint, it was the ultimate in minimalism:
there was no need to insult Robert Lee one bit -- I just stood back quietly
in the dark, cozily seated behind my workstation with my favorite beverage
in one hand, and let him defeat himself. Admittedly, I'm more of a Usenet guy
than a blogosphere guy, but this is still the only time I have EVER seen
anyone get mobbed right off his own blog.
Rarely is the world so just.
Some time later, I was reading rec.arts.movies.past-films, and I ran across
a discussion of _Citizen Kane_, which turned into a discussion of a famous but
possibly apocryphal story about where Orson Welles and Herman J. Mankiewicz
came up with the idea for "Rosebud". Somebody suggested that the source of
the idea -- that "Rosebud" was William Randolph Hearst's pet name for Marion
Davies's, ah, unmentionable -- was a bit of braggartism from Hearst himself
that somehow wound its way through the grapevine to Welles and Mankiewicz.
Another person scoffed at the idea that *any* man would discuss a lover like
that in public. Instantly I thought of Robert Lee's posting to alt.horror
a precise description of his SO's breasts, so I cited that as an example of
just how utterly, seriously lame men are capable of being.
After writing that, I started to rethink whether or not he was truly gone
from the Internet; after all, it usually takes just about any writer a real
effort of will to keep his mouth closed. A few judicious searches, and --
bingo! There he was, writing another LiveJournal.
A little bit later, Dr. Walpurgis mentioned Lee, so I decided I couldn't
resist such a big fat excuse to re-expose him. After all, I used to stick up
for Lee in flamewars around here... which, for reasons I just described in
preceding paragraphs, was now clearly a mistake. No man is without sin, but he
*may* atone for them.
This resulted in a small but vociferous plurality of the contributorship of
a.h. calling me a "stalker"... first Walpurgis, then several others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_John_Bardo
I am not a stalker. *That* guy is a stalker.
See... if there is a community, somewhere, where stalking is not illegal, I
don't want to live there. What Walpurgis, Lesmond, ReVulse, and the other
folks who screamed "STALKER" at me in that thread were saying was that I was
guilty of an illegal act because I was reading somebody's blog without his
explicit authorization.
It was one of the stupidest and funniest flamewars in which I have ever been
involved. Recommended reading, if you ask me.
Here's one of my favorite posts in it. Not every thread has a star cameo:
One of the better recent documentaries I have seen lately is a piece
called _Forbidden Lie$_, all about how Norma Khouri ripped off the entire
world with her "nonfiction" book. Lee here is using the same tactic that she
and countless other scam artists have used: tell a lie that's designed to
shock people and elicit sympathy, and most of the time people won't even
ask for any supporting evidence so as to not appear callous.
If you look at the followup articles in the thread, you can see me poke
holes in his story, and you can see him not even dare to address any of the
points I made, while making a "you're crazy" ad hominem to smokescreen his
retreat from the thread. That's not the best part, though: the best part is
that he doesn't want to talk about why somebody with whom he used to be
friendly is now reading his blog just to watch him make a fool of himself,
so he's decided to cry, "YAAAAAH! STALKER! STALKER! STALKER! STALKER!"... in
so doing, taking a cue from Dr. Walpurgis, a person at whom he and I used to
laugh together. It's such a beautiful illustration of how he has smoked so
much weed (and God knows what else) that he is simply not what he was... to
the point where he is now siding with somebody he once (and rightly) regarded
with contempt.
To paraphrase Martin Scorsese's adaptation of Edith Wharton's novel _The
Age of Innocence_: he's finding his own level. One wonders how far he will
eventually fall.
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5. Is Stain crazy?
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Short answer: no.
More complete answer: well, shoot. There have been times where I have
doubted my sanity, and certainly I don't get accused of being sane too
often... *scratches chest, rippling the fabric of his _Candyman_ T-shirt*...
however, if you doubt your sanity, that's an indicator that you're actually
*not* crazy.
Robert A. Heinlein's running character-cum-alter ego Lazarus Long defines
"crazy" as "a nonscientific term meaning that the person to whom one applies
that label has a world picture differing from the accepted one". The word
itself is so subjective that I don't think I can actually prove that I'm not,
any more than I could empirically demonstrate whether I am "cool" or not.
(I *am* much more sure that I'm not cool than I am that I'm not crazy,
however.)
I must say, however, that if I *am* crazy, somebody damn well ought to have
told me before I became a software engineer and started doing secret-level
classified work for a defense contractor... and before I became not only a
code guy but an actual scientist as well, thanks to the work I did in neural
networks while I was still just an undergrad (Dr. Swiniarski insisted it of
us)... and before some gal I have never met on the other end of the continent
mailed me her old workstation so I could keep writing screenplays... and so
on, and so on. It would have saved me a lot of trouble.
If the facts are on your side, you don't *need* a support group. Not that
certain people will ever realize that... but I'm getting ahead of myself.
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6. Is Stain autistic?
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Short answer: no.
More complete answer: that idea is even more ridiculous than the "stalker"
thing.
From _The American Medical Association Encyclopedia of Medicine_: "Extreme
resistance to change of any kind is an important feature. The child reacts
with severe tantrums to alteration in routine or interference with activities.
Rituals develop in play and often the child becomes attached to unusual
objects or collections, or obsessed with one particular topic or idea. This
wish for sterile 'sameness' makes it very difficult to teach the autistic
child new skills."
Also, from the same source: "Only about one sixth of autistic children can
lead any form of independent life; the majority need special care, sometimes
in an institution."
The very idea that such a person could be a longstanding resident on
alt.flame, much less become a software engineer or manage any of the other
accomplishments I mentioned previously in this document, makes those
"intelligent design" asswipes sound positively rational.
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7. So if none of the accusations made of you have much, if any, basis in fact,
why are they being repeated so often?
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Long story. However, FAQs are very useful for long stories.
It all started with this thread (I recommend reading the whole thing, but
the course of the whole thing becomes clear about ten posts in):
I knew that if I called Walpurgis, Bod, et al. on their denial, I'd only get
the same "YAAAH YAAAH CAN'T HEAR YOU" reaction that Lee received. (I did it
anyway, but that's beside the point.)
So how *do* you make this kind of situation a positive thing? By inviting
everyone on alt.flame to laugh at the perps, of course:
All the followups are in Google Groups, too. Notice how not one person
involved in covering for The Gore-met came over to state their case, even
though it became public knowledge that I had exposed their stupidity on
alt.flame:
Translation: "Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh."
Other highlights of the thread: Homer turning into the very face of
denial...
...and Bombsquad, who I used to regard as a pretty good flamer, throwing a
fit after I backed him into a corner.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/5addae25757eec58?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/b1047cd70a87448d?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/64c10563855a30ae?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/7dda12f1fbc271c9?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/14594e6e7c086d96?dmode=source
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Three years and eight months go by. Walpurgis never says a single civil word
to me on alt.horror ever again. (This, too, is checkable on Google Groups,
even though I come here to discuss the horror genre, and past flamefests are
usually the farthest thing from my mind in a place like this.)
Then June 2007 came around. When I exposed Robert Lee in public for acting
like a twit, Walpurgis yelled, "STALKER!" at me, and several of his pals
followed suit.
Walpurgis was backed up in the "Robert Lee/You're A Stalker" flamewar by
about ten people (a conservative estimate). They lost anyway. He could have
had about a hundred people on his side and he still would have lost, since
there's no way that you can win a flamewar when your thesis is that lame and
unsupported.
To add to the fun, another alt.flame veteran, Scott Campbell, showed up
in the middle of that shitfest and demanded proof that I am a stalker.
If anyone on the other side had came up with convincing proof that I did
indeed stalk anyone, Campbell, as surely as the sun rises in the east, would
have reported it all back to alt.flame. The result would have been roughly
the same as when Rosemarie Scott told everyone she was a Jehovah's Witness:
I would have been flamed so completely and so thoroughly by everyone and
his brother that not even dental records would have been sufficient to
identify the remains. Instead, all parties involved completely dropped the
ball. Their evidence, as discussed earlier in this document, was laughably
weak, so they began to scream that I had called alt.flame for backup.
Actually, I made no such call. All interested parties may look on Google
Groups to their hearts' content; I never even mentioned that little tiff on
alt.flame until long after it was over. I never mentioned it in email, either.
DejaNewsing/GoogleGrouping opponents to dig for dirt has been common practice
on alt.flame for years, and I of course am not immune.
See? I can't even post to sci.geo.meteorology without some joker finding it
and dragging it back to a.f.
Evidently my foes in that fight were (and are) not comfortable with any
flamewar where the odds are only 5 to 1 in their favor.
A few months later, Walpurgis, ReVulse, et al. decided to start on me again.
This time they were stupid enough to crosspost to alt.flame in the process of
coming after me. This resulted in the entire residency of a.f. exclaiming,
"Hooray! Fresh targets!" and blasting the crap out of alt.horror... precisely
the result I had hoped to avoid. On the positive side, Walpurgis and his pals
received an ass-kicking about sixteen times worse than the one I had given
them the previous summer, since they received it from me plus so many other
alt.flame veterans.
Then ReVulse posted this:
Accordingly, ReVulse and a number of people tried to get everyone to ignore
me off the group. This failed, too.
A little while later, ReVulse came up with the idea of calling me "Rain
Man" -- I don't even remember what the rationale was, and the post eludes
my googling -- and a lot of the same folks who'd been against me in the
various flamewars starting using the same epithet.
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I therefore submit the following conclusion, based on the evidence at hand:
Walpurgis, Lesmond, ReVulse, et al. have formed their very own junior-high-
school-style "in crowd" on alt.horror. I'm sure many of you have trouble
believing that grown men and women -- some of whom are north of 40 -- would
actually behave this way, but, in this case, that's the way the facts point.
In their minds, they own the entire newsgroup, and are the most popular and
most liked kids around... and, right in accord with the doublethink so common
to people with this mentality, have spent an incalculable amount of time and
energy creating and maintaining this illusion, and are always doing their
best to sell it to anyone who will listen.
Don't believe me? Look at how Joseph "WideScreenPig" O'Brien responded when
Robert Lee called The Gore-met on Swen-spamming him:
"You, on the other hand, seem to have once again worn out your welcome."
And not one word about what the hell Lee's complete e-mail address was doing
in Gore-met's articles.
For a more recent example, try this post of ReVulse's from a more recent
flame exchange:
Such is the fantasy in which ReVulse lives. Evidently he already forgot the
"I'm in the in crowd and you're not, we're going to leave you out in the cold
forever and ever and ever, nyaah nyaah nyaah" in that threat flame of his I
cite earlier in this document.
The US Republican Party is really, really bitter that they not only lost
the White House, but to a black man. (The United States's first African-
American president, no less.) Since they don't have any real case against
President Obama -- and especially not one for why McCain (bad) and Palin
(worse) should have won the election over him -- they keep fomenting one
baseless rumor about him after another ("Obama is a socialist", "Obama is
a coke addict", "Vera Baker is Obama's mistress so Michelle got her sent to
Martinique", whatever the new one is this week, etc.) since that's the only
way of which they can think to damage him.
Similarly, I kicked the alt.horror "in-crowd"'s collective ass fair and
square six years ago -- yes, believe it or not, SIX YEARS AGO -- and Walpurgis
is still hopping mad about it. True to form for this sort of hivemind
mentality, in 2007 he pointed at me and yelled, "STALKER!" and his pals
replied, "O Captain My Captain!" and mindlessly followed suit. The resulting
flamewar was supposed to drive me off the group, but since there was virtually
no substance behind their accusations, they generated a lot of hot air, but
very little actual flame. The affair went badly for them accordingly.
This same kind of residual resentment of me has led to the same old faces
telling any and every sort of lie they can conceive about yours truly --
often using the time-honored dishonest-propaganda technique of constantly
implying and insinuating a given falsehood so as to trick people into
believing it by sheer repetition. (Television commercials operate on the
same principle. That is why, if you are stupid enough to actually watch
television, you wind up seeing the same ad for Mentos or Coca-Cola or
DoveBars or Heineken or whatever eight times a day.) That is why Walpurgis
keeps repeating "WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME!!!?!!" or some variant thereof;
he hopes that no one will notice that he has no evidence at all for this
notion that I've ever called for any backup in any flamewar. If he sells this
idea to the general public, he at least has *some* excuse for losing a
flamewar on his home court (albeit an excuse that would never be much of one,
since he never seems to get into a fight without plenty of backup himself...
for some, ah, mysterious reason).
(Did I mention that the conservative elements in my country have a real
problem with accusing others of doing what they do themselves?)
Same story with the "crater" thing. Various members of that little group
have adopted the custom of occasionally shouting "crater, crater, smoking
crater" so they can pretend that I was deliberately trying to destroy
alt.horror and that they valiantly defended it... although anyone can go
back in Google Groups, look at what was actually posted, and see for himself
that the alt.flame invasion occurred because of their ignorance and stupidity,
as opposed to anything that I did. They crossposted to alt.flame, ran around
yelling, "Wooga wooga wooga woo!", received the net.thrashing of their lives
from a group of persons from multiple newsgroups who like nothing better than
flaming stupid people to a crisp, so now they're trying to blame the whole
thing on me.
Same story again with "Rain Man". When ReVulse first came up with the idea
of calling me that, Walpurgis responded with something like, "LOL! That one's
gonna stick!" The other members of the clique knew they had received a
direct order, and behaved accordingly. What they seem to have not noticed
is that it's only "stuck" with the same vociferous minority as have been
my usual opponents in recent years... not with the group at large. Their
fantasy of being the official trendsetters of alt.horror still refuses to
come true.
Gee, I wonder why.
And ReVulse has the unbridled gall to accuse me of constantly calling upon
the general a.h. public for support.
See... there's a reason why, 90% of the time, when Walpurgis calls me
"RAIN MAN", it's accompanied by "LOL". (At least the alt.bigfoot people had
an original way of forcing mirth -- Wilf LeBlanc's infamous "ahahaha hahaha
hahah ahahaha" routine.) All the LOLs are cover for the fact that all this
crap is deadly serious business for him.
Why, on God's green earth, does he do this? Well, I kinda like Kerro's
speculation on the idea...
...but I may have been wrong in my earlier ideas about this. If any of you
guys have read a fair bit about Jeffrey Dahmer, you have seen that one of the
most remarkable things about him is how abused he was *not*. Sure, his mom had
a "nervous breakdown" and his parents wound up getting divorced, but I think
we all know people who've survived worse stuff than that without turning out
the way Dahmer did. Evidently, young Jeffrey lost the genetic lottery in a
VERY serious way. He was a fairly normal kid growing up... then, when puberty
hit, he gradually found out that he really, really wanted to fuck corpses.
As such, I'll apply Occam's Razor here. I bet "Dr. Walpurgis", or Tom
Chadwin, or whatever the hell his name is, has simply been this fucked up
since the sperm hit the egg. After all, why give him any excuse at all for
his shameful, indefensible behavior? (Same goes for all his compatriots, too.)
Another digression for illustration:
"In the twentieth century Gregorian, in the United States of America,
something called 'revisionist history' became popular among 'intellectuals'.
Revisionism appears to have been based on the notion that the living actors
present on the spot never understood what they were doing or why, or how they
were being manipulated, being mere puppets in the hands of unseen evil forces.
"That may be true. I don't know.
"But why are the people of the United States and the government always the
villains in the eyes of the revisionists? Why can't our enemies -- such as the
king of Spain, and the kaiser, and Hitler, and Geronimo, and Villa, and
Sandino, and Mao Tse-tung, and Jefferson Davis -- why can't these each take
a turn in the pillory? Why is it always our turn?
"I am well aware that the revisionists maintain that William Randolph Hearst
created the Spanish-American War to increase the circulation of his
newspapers. I know, too, that various scholars and experts later asserted
that the USS _Maine_, at dock in Havana harbor, was blown up (with loss of
226 American lives) by faceless villains whose purpose was to make Spain look
bad and thereby to prepare the American people to accept a declaration of war
against Spain.
"Now look carefully at what I said. I said that I know that these things are
asserted. I did not say that they are true.
"It is unquestionably true that the United States, acting officially, was
rude to the Spanish government concering Spain's oppression of the Cuban
people. It is also true that William Randolph Hearst used his newspapers to
say any number of unpleasant things about the Spanish government. But Hearst
was not the United States and he had no guns and no ships and no authority.
What he did have was a loud voice and no respect for tyrants. Tyrants hate
people like that."
-- Maureen Johnson, Robert A. Heinlein's _To Sail Beyond the Sunset_, p. 67
As I have been inclined to do ever since I was a boy, I have gotten on the
bad side of this same sort of person. What makes all this so goddamn funny is
that Walpurgis and his crew are hardly tyrants, for you have to have power to
be such a thing. Instead, I am Public Enemy Number One of alt.horror's
Emperors Of The Backyard.
If you are a person who has not been previously involved in this conflict, I
would like to point out that Walpurgis and his friends are engaged in a
concerted, long-term campaign to deceive you, and to manipulate you. Yes,
*you*.
All this is solely for the purpose of their slithering up the alt.horror
pecking order. You may point out that this pecking order is imaginary. I
actually agree with you. It's not imaginary to *them*, however. I don't know
who you are, so I cannot tell how you feel when you reflect upon this fact,
but I bet you are not delighted.
On top of that, these people damn near destroyed alt.horror permanently by
stupidly starting a flamewar with alt.flame in the fall of 2007. These people
*might* love the horror genre, but unquestionably they love their own self-
aggrandizement more. And next time, we might not be so lucky.
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8. What are you going to do about this?
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Well, let's look at my options, shall we?
Simply ignoring them hasn't put an end to the needless and atmosphere-
polluting flamewars. Usually, when you kick somebody's ass, they suddenly
remember their place, and that's the end of it, and it's no further problem
as long as you never bring up the affair again and allow them to cling to
the illusion that they weren't just faced down.
That isn't the case here, unfortunately. The alt.horror student government,
or whatever the hell they are, clearly hate me so much that they can never
abide by my continued presence here. It has, after all, already been six
years, and they're still licking the same wounds.
I could also, of course, simply withdraw from the group and never post to
alt.horror ever again. That, however, is probably the most wrong thing to do
of all my possible alternatives. Toleration of poor manners only encourages
them... and after they did a little victory dance for about a week, possibly
longer, they'd be more determined than ever before to attempt to bully right
off alt.horror everyone and anyone who says no to them, anyone who disagrees
with them, or who they just plain feel like bullying. That would be an even
worse a.h. than one that's been reduced to a crossposting receptacle for
spam.
The problem, really, comes down to the following individuals, here listed
in alphabetical order:
Bod
Dr. Walpurgis
Jared
Lesmond
ReVulse
These are the people that I will completely drive off alt.horror.
See... I have posted to alt.flame for 17 years now... and have long had the
finest track record as well. There may be more of them than there are of me,
but, really, they're the ones who are outnumbered. This fits in like a glove
with their longstanding history of sensationally poor judgement, as I am the
very last man on alt.horror with whom they wanted to start a fight.
Some of you probably don't like this solution. That is your right. However,
as has been made abundantly clear, as long as the individuals so listed above
are allowed to continue posting to alt.horror, there *will* be flamewars here.
They just won't be as constructive as this one.
Due to my background, experience, and inborn capabilities, I assure you that
I am carrying enough firepower to kill every single one of these people (and
lots more leftover besides). As I have stated on numerous occasions... they
will break. I will blow their faces off.
I don't know how much you agree with my proposed solution to this problem.
However, do not -- I repeat, DO NOT -- intervene on my behalf. It is
absolutely imperative to keep this a low-intensity conflict, so as to prevent
the flames from getting out of control, and that therefore I do all the work
myself. I wanna post something noble and/or macho here, like "sometimes a
man's gotta do what a man's gotta do"... but this task will be too easy, and
too much fun, to warrant such glorification.
Some folks are going to read this as a declaration of war. I don't think
this crew is potent enough for even the term "police action" to fit. I think
of this more as "pest control". By keeping the exchanges on some threads but
not others, I can keep the situation under control while simultaneously
completely breaking them. This will take a bit longer than the usual high-
intensity flamewar, but I think you'll find I have all manner of patience.
While I strongly urge noninterference, I *do*, however, invite you all to
watch. I recommend a large tub of popcorn and a favored beverage. Fan mail
for my especially cutting and/or funny flames is also welcome, and will be
kept in the strictest confidence, as usual. I'm sure that many of you are even
more sick of these people than I am, even if you don't always come right out
and say so.
That is all. Sit back, relax, and watch the fireworks.
--
Afterword
--
"I always made one prayer to God, a very short one. Here it is: 'O Lord,
make our enemies quite ridiculous!' God granted it." -- Voltaire
"My father always said that a man should make his enemies by choice, not by
accident. You suck." -- one of the minor characters in Spider and
Jeanne Robinson's classic novella "Stardance"
--
alt.flame Special Forces
"It is providential that the youth or man of inventive mind is not 'blessed'
with a million dollars. The mind is sharper and keener in seclusion and
uninterrupted solitude. Originality thrives in seclusion free of outside
influences beating upon us to cripple the creative mind. Be alone -- that is
the secret of invention: be alone, that is when ideas are born."
-- Nikolai Tesla
Dr Walpurgis
> Bod
> Dr. Walpurgis
> Jared
> Lesmond
> ReVulse
>
> These are the people that I will completely drive off alt.horror.
ANUS FAIL: MONTH 19
--
"I'm clearly mentally unsound" - Avoid normal situations, 22/8/09
Poe
> <MUSIC-TAG RECORDING_ARTIST=Vengaboys;TITLE=We Like To Party Now>
>
> Last modified: 12/10/2009
<snip>
As Dorothy would say... Stalin and stalkers and tampons, Oh my! (or
something like that).
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2009-12-24 20:10:37 +0000, ANuS said:
> > Bod
> > Dr. Walpurgis
> > Jared
> > Lesmond
> > ReVulse
> >
> > These are the people that I will completely drive off alt.horror.
> ANUS FAIL: MONTH 19
It's been less than a month since "ANUS FAIL: MONTH 18".
You're not really very smart, are you?
Dr Walpurgis
>>> Bod
>>> Dr. Walpurgis
>>> Jared
>>> Lesmond
>>> ReVulse
>>>
>>> These are the people that I will completely drive off alt.horror.
>>
>> ANUS FAIL: MONTH 19
>
> It's been less than a month since "ANUS FAIL: MONTH 18".
> http://tinyurl.com/ye37w3e
> You're not really very smart, are you?
Like you, this month is CLOSER TO THE END THAN TO THE BEGINNING.
--
"I am as predictable as the sunrise" - Avoid normal situations, 12/7/09
iL_WeReo
>
> read more »
Awesome dude. And a very wereo merry Christmas to you too.
Blackwingbear
> 1. Is this about *all* the ongoing flamewars on alt.horror?
That's all alt.horror IS anymore.... That and a crazed geriatric
pedophile who once recorded a shitty concert onto a hand-held tape-
recorder.
> 2. What about Lifshine?
See #1
> 3. Why should I care?
You'll find that you shouldn't. The quicker you discover that, the
better.
> 4. Is Stain a stalker?
> 5. Is Stain crazy?
> 6. Is Stain autistic?
And who, exactly, is this 'Stain' supposed to be other than a weak-ass
Top-40 pop-group?
> 7. So if none of the accusations made of you have much, if any, basis in
> fact, why are they being repeated so often?
Because this group is full of redundant shits with no life....
> 8. What are you going to do about this?
Re-watch PROFONDO ROSSO and forget this exists.
iL_WeReo
This is from a guy who hasn't thrown out his rock and roll records
yet. Would you take anything he says seriously?
Avoid normal situations.
[..]
> Like you, this month is CLOSER TO THE END THAN TO THE BEGINNING.
Ouch! That'll teach me to mess with a master flamer like you!
williemeikle
I wouldn't take anyone who's thrown out all his rock and roll records
seriously.
Markus
TL;DR
Who writes that shit anyway, or is that computer generated?
williemeikle
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/b1047cd70a87448d?dmode=...
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/64c10563855a30ae?dmode=...
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/7dda12f1fbc271c9?dmode=...
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/14594e6e7c086d96?dmode=...
Oh, there's someone there writing it all right.He just doesn't realise
how pathetic it makes him look.
He'll now accuse you of having a short attention span if he runs true
to form.
--
Willie
Avoid normal situations.
> On Dec 25, 8:03??pm, Markus <nos...@tugraz.at> wrote:
[ entire FAQ gratuitously reposted, twice ]
> > Who writes that shit anyway, or is that computer generated?
> Oh, there's someone there writing it all right.He just doesn't realise
> how pathetic it makes him look.
Hardly. It's exactly what the mad doctor ordered -- the answers, all in one
handy document, to all the lies being spewed by the undesirables in this
forum. It also makes a fine ammo dump for all the newbies that they're fond
of harassing.
> He'll now accuse you of having a short attention span if he runs true
> to form.
What part of, "If you don't already know what this FAQ concerns, you
probably don't really need to know, and can stop reading this document right
here. I won't mind. In fact, I would encourage you to do so," did you not
understand?
You're not really very smart, are you?
--
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 25, 8:03??pm, Markus <nos...@tugraz.at> wrote:
>
> [ entire FAQ gratuitously reposted, twice ]
>
> > > Who writes that shit anyway, or is that computer generated?
> > Oh, there's someone there writing it all right.He just doesn't realise
> > how pathetic it makes him look.
>
> Hardly. It's exactly what the mad doctor ordered -- the answers, all in one
> handy document, to all the lies being spewed by the undesirables in this
> forum. It also makes a fine ammo dump for all the newbies that they're fond
> of harassing.
>
> > He'll now accuse you of having a short attention span if he runs true
> > to form.
>
> What part of, "If you don't already know what this FAQ concerns, you
> probably don't really need to know, and can stop reading this document right
> here. I won't mind. In fact, I would encourage you to do so," did you not
> understand?
>
> You're not really very smart, are you?
>
Well given that it was you who accused me of having a short attention
span for not reading it, it's you that's not really very smart.
And, yes, it's still pathetic that a supposedly grown man needs to
post the same thing over and over again just to validate his existence
on a horror newsgroup.
If you actually read Lorenz rather than just post quotes in your sig
you might come to understand dominant and sub-dominant relationships.
You might even come to realize that you are not the manipulator here
-- you're the manipulated.
--
Willie
Avoid normal situations.
> On Dec 26, 1:43??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> > williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 25, 8:03??pm, Markus <nos...@tugraz.at> wrote:
[..]
> > > He'll now accuse you of having a short attention span if he runs true
> > > to form.
> >
> > ?? What part of, "If you don't already know what this FAQ concerns, you
> > probably don't really need to know, and can stop reading this document right
> > here. I won't mind. In fact, I would encourage you to do so," did you not
> > understand?
> >
> > ?? You're not really very smart, are you?
> Well given that it was you who accused me of having a short attention
> span for not reading it, it's you that's not really very smart.
No, I didn't. I recognized you as having a short attention span for that
reason, and a few other reasons.
> And, yes, it's still pathetic that a supposedly grown man needs to
> post the same thing over and over again just to validate his existence
> on a horror newsgroup.
Actually, the fact that I'm smarter and more knowledgeable than a lot of
the mushbrains with large mouths who are temporarily posting to it validates
my existence on this newsgroup. Pest control on this newsgroup, free of
charge, I'm doing just because I'm such a swell guy.
> If you actually read Lorenz rather than just post quotes in your sig
> you might come to understand dominant and sub-dominant relationships.
> You might even come to realize that you are not the manipulator here
> -- you're the manipulated.
Last time I asked you to provide a cite, you ran away, so I won't bother
now.
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 1:43??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
>
> > you might come to understand dominant and sub-dominant relationships.
> > You might even come to realize that you are not the manipulator here
> > -- you're the manipulated.
>
> Last time I asked you to provide a cite, you ran away, so I won't bother
> now.
>
QED
--
Willie
Dr Walpurgis
>> Well given that it was you who accused me of having a short attention
>> span for not reading it, it's you that's not really very smart.
>> And, yes, it's still pathetic that a supposedly grown man needs to
>> post the same thing over and over again just to validate his existence
>> on a horror newsgroup.
>> If you actually read Lorenz rather than just post quotes in your sig
>> you might come to understand dominant and sub-dominant relationships.
>> You might even come to realize that you are not the manipulator here
>> -- you're the manipulated.
>
> Last time I asked you to provide a cite, you ran away, so I won't bother
> now.
SPANK.
Avoid normal situations.
> On Dec 26, 3:42??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
[..]
> > > If you actually read Lorenz rather than just post quotes in your sig
> > > you might come to understand dominant and sub-dominant relationships.
> > > You might even come to realize that you are not the manipulator here
> > > -- you're the manipulated.
> >
> > ?? Last time I asked you to provide a cite, you ran away, so I won't bother
> > now.
> QED
Tee hee hee.
--
alt.flame "as if" Special Forces
Avoid normal situations.
> SPANK.
You'll lose flamewars more slowly and less often if you actually learn what
words mean, Mr. von Brunn.
--
alt.flame Special Forces
"It's important to come back, because if you don't, they win. It's a form of
terrorism."
Dr Walpurgis
>>>> If you actually read Lorenz rather than just post quotes in your sig
>>>> you might come to understand dominant and sub-dominant relationships.
>>>> You might even come to realize that you are not the manipulator here
>>>> -- you're the manipulated.
>>>
>>> ?? Last time I asked you to provide a cite, you ran away, so I won't bother
>>> now.
>>
>> QED
>
> Tee hee hee.
< cue Richard Schultz >
--
"I saw a clinical psychologist once." - Avoid normal situations, 18/2/09
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> Dr Walpurgis <burke.denni...@cunting.hun> wrote:
> > On 2009-12-26 18:42:29 +0000, ANuS said:
> > >> Well given that it was you who accused me of having a short attention
> > >> span for not reading it, it's you that's not really very smart.
> > >> And, yes, it's still pathetic that a supposedly grown man needs to
> > >> post the same thing over and over again just to validate his existence
> > >> on a horror newsgroup.
> > >> If you actually read Lorenz rather than just post quotes in your sig
> > >> you might come to understand dominant and sub-dominant relationships.
> > >> You might even come to realize that you are not the manipulator here
> > >> -- you're the manipulated.
>
> > > Last time I asked you to provide a cite, you ran away, so I won't bother
> > > now.
> > SPANK.
>
> You'll lose flamewars more slowly and less often if you actually learn what
> words mean, Mr. von Brunn.
>
And you'd win then more quickly if anybody actually gave a toss.
deadrodentyping
How about an ongoing flan war? People like flan. Or a phlegm war?
Avoid normal situations.
> On Dec 27, 2:32??am, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
[..]
> And you'd win then more quickly if anybody actually gave a toss.
Autoflame Grade: B+
Remarks: admission of cessation of personal sovereignty... like having a
cheering section or not has anything to do with whether or not you win a
flamewar. The fourth word is probably a typo; you *could* argue that the
sentence is still correctly spelled, but it looks silly. Both of these
problems are highly unbecoming of someone who claims to be a published
author, particularly the former.
--
alt.flame Special Forces
"The first requirement of a statesman is that he be dull. That is not always
easy to achieve." -- Dean Acheson
Avoid normal situations.
<MUSIC-TAG RECORDING_ARTIST=KFMDM;TITLE=New American Century>
Last modified: 12/10/2009
Contents
--
--
Introduction
--
He doesn't matter.
You shouldn't. If you don't already know what this FAQ concerns, you
probably don't really need to know, and can stop reading this document right
here. I won't mind. In fact, I would encourage you to do so.
That being said, a casual look at Google reveals that I was the number one
most prolific poster on alt.horror in June 2009. As such, you may be wondering
what the dickens this engagement concerns. I have written this document to
explain, all in one place, exactly what I am doing and why. If you are indeed
curious, feel free to read on. Requests for additional information will be
considered.
--
4. Is Stain a stalker?
--
Short answer: no.
More complete answer: once upon a time, there was a regular a.h. poster by
name of Robert Lee. For a while after he retreated from Usenet, he maintained
a blog -- http://spimby.livejournal.com. He and I were friendly at the time I
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3664157952/tt0403508
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_John_Bardo
Short answer: no.
Short answer: no.
Translation: "Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/5addae25757eec58?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/b1047cd70a87448d?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/64c10563855a30ae?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/7dda12f1fbc271c9?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.horror/msg/14594e6e7c086d96?dmode=source
<MUSIC-TAG RECORDING_ARTIST=Exodus;TITLE=I Am Abomination>
Dr Walpurgis
> Bod
> Dr. Walpurgis
> Jared
> Lesmond
> ReVulse
>
> These are the people that I will completely drive off alt.horror.
ANUS FAIL: MONTH 19
--
"I don't know how much longer this campaign is going to go on." - Avoid
normal situations, 20/11/09
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 27, 2:32??am, "Avoid normal situations."
> > <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> > And you'd win then more quickly if anybody actually gave a toss.
>
> Autoflame Grade: B+
>
> Remarks: admission of cessation of personal sovereignty... like having a
> cheering section or not has anything to do with whether or not you win a
> flamewar. The fourth word is probably a typo; you *could* argue that the
> sentence is still correctly spelled, but it looks silly. Both of these
> problems are highly unbecoming of someone who claims to be a published
> author, particularly the former.
>
And I don't waste any time nit-picking spelling on USENET. It's the
sign of a very dull mind.
iL_WeReo
>
> read more »
I do matter I do.
ReVulse
> <MUSIC-TAG RECORDING_ARTIST=KFMDM;TITLE=New American Century>
The very first line of your post and you can't even get the name of the
band right.
Great start.
--
#Andy#
http://www.last.fm/user/revulse_1968/
"all your glad-handing is going to be wasted effort
as soon as I drive ReVulse and the others permanently
off alt.horror." - Avoid Normal Situations (7th May 2009)
Dr Walpurgis
<ReV...@psychaoticREMOVETHIS.fsnet.co.uk> said:
>> <MUSIC-TAG RECORDING_ARTIST=KFMDM;TITLE=New American Century>
>
> The very first line of your post and you can't even get the name of the
> band right. Great start.
What a SPACKER.
Avoid normal situations.
> On Dec 27 2009, 2:43??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
[..]
> > > And you'd win then more quickly if anybody actually gave a toss.
> >
> > ?? Autoflame Grade: B+
> >
> > ?? Remarks: admission of cessation of personal sovereignty... like having a
> > cheering section or not has anything to do with whether or not you win a
> > flamewar. The fourth word is probably a typo; you *could* argue that the
> > sentence is still correctly spelled, but it looks silly. Both of these
> > problems are highly unbecoming of someone who claims to be a published
> > author, particularly the former.
> >
> I don't "claim" to be a published author. I am a published author.
Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do, only for far less money.
*golf clap*
Aren't you worried that, if you keep making a horse's arse out of yourself
like this on a global and permanently archived forum, your publisher (if you
have one) and your fanbase (if you have one) are going to find out?
> And I don't waste any time nit-picking spelling on USENET. It's the
> sign of a very dull mind.
If everybody on Usenet wrote like Bod, everyone with an IQ above room
temperature would have abandoned it long ago, and it would have died
miserably sometime around 1986.
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-01 18:24:19 +0000, ANuS said:
> > Bod
> > Dr. Walpurgis
> > Jared
> > Lesmond
> > ReVulse
> >
> > These are the people that I will completely drive off alt.horror.
> ANUS FAIL: MONTH 19
Walpurgis Fail: Year 7, Month 3
Avoid normal situations.
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:24:19 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> > <MUSIC-TAG RECORDING_ARTIST=KFMDM;TITLE=New American Century>
> The very first line of your post and you can't even get the name of the
> band right.
Sumbitch. I knew I had gotten that wrong right after I posted it. I forgot
the handy mnemonic: "Kill Mother Fucking Depeche Mode".
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-02 12:58:27 +0000, ReVulse
> <ReV...@psychaoticREMOVETHIS.fsnet.co.uk> said:
> >> <MUSIC-TAG RECORDING_ARTIST=KFMDM;TITLE=New American Century>
> >
> > The very first line of your post and you can't even get the name of the
> > band right. Great start.
> What a SPACKER.
And, yet, still no scolding of your pal Andy for having flamed the wrong
poster.
That was over two years ago, too. There wouldn't just happen to be some sort
of double standard going on here, would there?
Just keep grasping at straws. You pathetic loser.
ReVulse
> Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do
"we screenwriters" ? LOL! LOL! (cue Richard Schultz)
I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
you're a cunt.
Greendistantstar
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:49:36 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
>
>> Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do
>
> "we screenwriters" ? LOL! LOL! (cue Richard Schultz)
>
> I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
> you're a cunt.
Just out of curiousity....
Do you think ANS would go away if ignored?
You believe Lifshine would, so you see some parity between the two?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
ReVulse
I've explained this before.....Lifshine stumbled into this group
(followed by his fan club), whereas ANS is an alt.horror creation.
The other thing is that ANS actually communicates with people, but
Lifshine just ignores valid arguments time and time again and just posts
more gibberish.
If I thought that I could get Lifshine off this group by winding him up
and arguing with him, I would. He's too far gone for that...anything you
say just washes off him because he is such a complete nutcase. The only
way to deal with him is to totally ignore him. It has worked in the past.
The only reason he is still here is because Terry insists on responding
to every single post that he makes. Terry knows he is being a pain and
making the situation worse, that's why he keeps changing his name (to
avoid killfiles, thus making sure we see Lifshine's posts) and corrupts
his headers to stop his posts being traced.
Be honest, why are you in alt.horror?
Greendistantstar
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:04:36 +0800, Greendistantstar wrote:
>
>> ReVulse wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:49:36 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do
>>> "we screenwriters" ? LOL! LOL! (cue Richard Schultz)
>>>
>>> I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
>>> you're a cunt.
>> Just out of curiousity....
>>
>> Do you think ANS would go away if ignored?
>>
>> You believe Lifshine would, so you see some parity between the two?
>>
>> GDS
>>
>> "Let's roll!"
>
> I've explained this before.....Lifshine stumbled into this group
> (followed by his fan club), whereas ANS is an alt.horror creation.
Which is true, but irrelevant.
> The other thing is that ANS actually communicates with people, but
> Lifshine just ignores valid arguments time and time again and just posts
> more gibberish.
Which is true, but irrelevant.
> If I thought that I could get Lifshine off this group by winding him up
> and arguing with him, I would. He's too far gone for that...anything you
> say just washes off him because he is such a complete nutcase. The only
> way to deal with him is to totally ignore him. It has worked in the past.
There's little evidence to suggest that ignoring trolls is an effective response, if by effective we
mean have them go away.
> The only reason he is still here is because Terry insists on responding
> to every single post that he makes. Terry knows he is being a pain and
> making the situation worse, that's why he keeps changing his name (to
> avoid killfiles, thus making sure we see Lifshine's posts) and corrupts
> his headers to stop his posts being traced.
Be that as it may, why do you continue to respond to ANS? If responding is a no-no, why does ANS
being a 'local' product matter?
> Be honest, why are you in alt.horror?
Several reasons. One is pal Fraser recommended it to me some time ago. Fraser and I are both
rec.martial-arts regs and have been so for > 10 years, plus we're mates IRL. So I'm here for the
reason the group was created. Secondly, to kick Lifshine's ass, as and when it suits me.
If others don't like that, I understand, and they can exercise their right in an unmoderated group
to deal with me as they see fit.
My point to you is simple and logical. We either respond to trolls or ignore them. Whether they are
'home grown' or 'imported' is irrelevant. If you or I continually respond to a troll, we are in no
position to criticize or judge someone else who responds to another troll, no matter how we may feel
about that troll.
Best to you
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Avoid normal situations.
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:49:36 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
[..]
> I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
> you're a cunt.
Trying to get a headstart on the competition for Worst Flame Of The Month?
Avoid normal situations.
> ReVulse wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:49:36 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> >
> >> Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do
> >
> > "we screenwriters" ? LOL! LOL! (cue Richard Schultz)
> >
> > I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
> > you're a cunt.
> Just out of curiousity....
> Do you think ANS would go away if ignored?
They *can't* ignore me. Walpurgis hates me far too much for that to ever
happen.
Besides, they tried the silent treatment on me before, as documented in the
FAQ. I just went right ahead and participated in on-topic threads with other
people. In so doing, I wound up demonstrating (again) that I'm smarter, more
erudite (about horror cinema, and a lot of other things), and a better writer
to boot than Bod and the other people who think they're the student government
or whatever around here (nothing much about which to brag, of course, but
that's beside the point). They just couldn't abide by that, 'cause it flies
right in the face of a number of sacred beliefs of theirs.
So "everybody pretend he's a troll" was abandoned in favor of their current
tactics, which I guess can be summed up as "random fantasy yelling" ("RAIN
MAN", et al.). If you do a Google Groups search of alt.horror through 2008
and early 2009, you can find plenty of instances where I was being perfectly
on topic, but they just had to start shit again.
> You believe Lifshine would, so you see some parity between the two?
*smirk*
I keep asking Andy if he's ever posted a physical threat like this to
Lifshine. He keeps not answering.
Blackwingbear
Dr Walpurgis
> I'm more erudite (about horror cinema...
Son, what you know about this genre could be written on the back of a
BUS TICKET. And there'd be still be enough space for the GETTYSBURG
ADDRESS.
--
"I am cracked in the head" - Avoid normal situations, 19/7/09
ReVulse
> ReVulse <ReV...@psychaoticremovethis.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:49:36 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>> I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
>> you're a cunt.
>
> Trying to get a headstart on the competition for Worst Flame Of The
> Month?
There's no point; you always win that award.
ReVulse
I haven't, but I can do, if it would make you happy.
What about the one in your FAQ?:
"I assure you that I am carrying enough firepower to kill every single
one of these people (and lots more leftover besides). As I have stated on
numerous occasions... they will break. I will blow their faces off."
--
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 27 2009, 2:43??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> > <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> > > > And you'd win then more quickly if anybody actually gave a toss.
>
> > > ?? Autoflame Grade: B+
>
> > > ?? Remarks: admission of cessation of personal sovereignty... like having a
> > > cheering section or not has anything to do with whether or not you win a
> > > flamewar. The fourth word is probably a typo; you *could* argue that the
> > > sentence is still correctly spelled, but it looks silly. Both of these
> > > problems are highly unbecoming of someone who claims to be a published
> > > author, particularly the former.
>
> > I don't "claim" to be a published author. I am a published author.
>
> Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do, only for far less money.
> *golf clap*
>
> Aren't you worried that, if you keep making a horse's arse out of yourself
> like this on a global and permanently archived forum, your publisher (if you
> have one) and your fanbase (if you have one) are going to find out?
>
If pointing out your mistakes is making a horse's arse of myself, I'm
sure I'll be doing it for a long time to come.
I have many publishers, and a fanbase, none of whom are the slightest
bit worried about me arguing with an ignorant cunt on USENET.
And I'm making money from screenwriting too... small world, isn't it?
--
Willie
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-03 04:20:47 +0000, ANuS said:
> > I'm more erudite (about horror cinema...
> Son, what you know about this genre could be written on the back of a
> BUS TICKET. And there'd be still be enough space for the GETTYSBURG
> ADDRESS.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This from somebody I just caught being ambiguous about the Dr. Mabuse series
-- not quite a fact about horror, to be sure, although there are supernatural
elements in '33 _Testament_... but we horror freaks will always be grateful to
Fritz Lang for _M_, so such discussion is only a *little* bit off-topic. Hell,
I could have made that correction when I was too young to fuck.
I'm sure you know far more than me about Lucio Fulci, Jean Rollin, and the
works of them and other fuckwits who worked in exploitation films. Some of us
were too smart for that even when we were boys, however, and studied the real
films instead. Anyone who wants to test me on this matter may do so at their
convenience. Even better, they can look at my '90s alt.horror posting record
on Google Groups. I've been around here since late 1992. That was *before* you
could look anything up on Wikipedia, or indeed any sort of web at all, newbie.
For years, I saw practically nothing *but* horror, science fiction, and
fantasy films -- and many of them. I should get an honorary degree, or
something.
Avoid normal situations.
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:20:47 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> > http://tinyurl.com/8urnqe
> >
> > I keep asking Andy if he's ever posted a physical threat like this to
> > Lifshine. He keeps not answering.
> I haven't, but I can do, if it would make you happy.
Another rough Saturday night?
> What about the one in your FAQ?:
> "I assure you that I am carrying enough firepower to kill every single
> one of these people (and lots more leftover besides). As I have stated on
> numerous occasions... they will break. I will blow their faces off."
So it's not obvious enough that I'm speaking metaphorically?
Avoid normal situations.
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:09:22 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
[..]
> >> I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
> >> you're a cunt.
> >
> > Trying to get a headstart on the competition for Worst Flame Of The
> > Month?
> There's no point; you always win that award.
, , , . , ,. ,-. , . ,. ,
| | / \ / / \ | ) | . | / \ |
| |< Y |--| |-< | ) ) |--| |
| | \ | | | | ) |/|/ | | |
' ' ` ' ' ' `-' ' ' ' ' '
--
alt.flame Special Forces
"The penalty of success is to be bored by people who used to snub you."
-- Nancy Astor
Avoid normal situations.
> On Jan 2, 7:49??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
[..]
> > > I don't "claim" to be a published author. I am a published author.
> >
> > ?? Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do, only for far less money.
> > *golf clap*
> >
> > ?? Aren't you worried that, if you keep making a horse's arse out of yourself
> > like this on a global and permanently archived forum, your publisher (if you
> > have one) and your fanbase (if you have one) are going to find out?
> If pointing out your mistakes is making a horse's arse of myself, I'm
> sure I'll be doing it for a long time to come.
I'm speaking of both your embarrassing attempts at flaming and your
unspoken reasons for entering this conflict.
> I have many publishers, and a fanbase, none of whom are the slightest
> bit worried about me arguing with an ignorant cunt on USENET.
They may worry where their money's going if you continue to argue this
poorly.
> And I'm making money from screenwriting too... small world, isn't it?
Up to three figures yet?
--
alt.flame Special Forces
bod
"ReVulse" <ReV...@psychaoticREMOVETHIS.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7qbalv...@mid.individual.net...
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:09:22 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
>
>> ReVulse <ReV...@psychaoticremovethis.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:49:36 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>>> I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
>>> you're a cunt.
>>
>> Trying to get a headstart on the competition for Worst Flame Of The
>> Month?
>
> There's no point; you always win that award.
>
the only flames avoided by ANuS were the ones his family missed out on by
surviving WW2.
--
regards from BOD!
"dont worry yoko, its only a friggin water pist...."
JOHN LENNON 1980
http://www.myspace.com/bodland
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=bodland
Dr Walpurgis
<byend.removethis...@eskimo.com> said:
< cue Richard Schultz >
> This from somebody I just caught being ambiguous about the Dr. Mabuse series
> -- not quite a fact about horror, to be sure, although there are supernatural
> elements in '33 _Testament_... but we horror freaks will always be grateful to
> Fritz Lang for _M_, so such discussion is only a *little* bit off-topic. Hell,
> I could have made that correction when I was too young to fuck.
>
> I'm sure you know far more than me about Lucio Fulci, Jean Rollin, and the
> works of them and other fuckwits who worked in exploitation films. Some of us
> were too smart for that even when we were boys, however, and studied the real
> films instead. Anyone who wants to test me on this matter may do so at their
> convenience. Even better, they can look at my '90s alt.horror posting record
> on Google Groups. I've been around here since late 1992. That was *before* you
> could look anything up on Wikipedia, or indeed any sort of web at all, newbie.
>
> For years, I saw practically nothing *but* horror, science fiction, and
> fantasy films -- and many of them. I should get an honorary degree, or
> something.
As usual, you TALK a good game, son.
When you've posted A SINGLE MEMORABLE POST about ANYTHING even VAGUELY
on-topic, I'll be sure to review your FICTIOUS RESUME once again. Until
then, give up on your local MOM & POP video store, your DOG-EARED copy
of Halliwell's ("HAHAHAHAHAHA", etc) and KEEP LEARNING AT MY FEET.
--
"Yes, yes, I know, monotonous" - Avoid normal situations, 27/7/09
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 7:49??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
>
> [..]
>
> > > > I don't "claim" to be a published author. I am a published author.
>
> > > ?? Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do, only for far less money.
> > > *golf clap*
>
> > > ?? Aren't you worried that, if you keep making a horse's arse out of yourself
> > > like this on a global and permanently archived forum, your publisher (if you
> > > have one) and your fanbase (if you have one) are going to find out?
> > If pointing out your mistakes is making a horse's arse of myself, I'm
> > sure I'll be doing it for a long time to come.
>
> I'm speaking of both your embarrassing attempts at flaming
>
That's be because I'm not trying to flame... I leave embarrassing
attempts at flaming to you. After all, you're the expert.
> unspoken reasons for entering this conflict.
So you're a fucking mind reader now as well are you? Haven't you got
it into your head yet? There is no conflict. There's just you throwing
your toys out of the pram and everybody else laughing at you.
> > I have many publishers, and a fanbase, none of whom are the slightest
> > bit worried about me arguing with an ignorant cunt on USENET.
>
> They may worry where their money's going if you continue to argue this
> poorly.
>
Nope. No worries on that score. You see, nobody but you pays any
attention to this "conflict" of yours and certainly not publishers.
> > And I'm making money from screenwriting too... small world, isn't it?
>
> Up to three figures yet?
>
Past five and heading for six, but thanks for asking.
Dr Walpurgis
>> unspoken reasons for entering this conflict.
>
> Haven't you got it into your head yet? There is no conflict. There's just you
> throwing your toys out of the pram and everybody else laughing at you.
. . . and CHECKMATE.
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-03 17:40:24 +0000, ANuS
> <byend.removethis...@eskimo.com> said:
[..]
> When you've posted A SINGLE MEMORABLE POST about ANYTHING even VAGUELY
> on-topic, I'll be sure to review your FICTIOUS RESUME once again. Until
> then, give up on your local MOM & POP video store, your DOG-EARED copy
> of Halliwell's ("HAHAHAHAHAHA", etc) and KEEP LEARNING AT MY FEET.
Irony alert!
--
alt.flame Special Forces
Avoid normal situations.
> On Jan 3, 3:04??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
[..]
> > > > > I don't "claim" to be a published author. I am a published author.
> >
> > > > ?? Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do, only for far less money.
> > > > *golf clap*
> >
> > > > ?? Aren't you worried that, if you keep making a horse's arse out of yourself
> > > > like this on a global and permanently archived forum, your publisher (if you
> > > > have one) and your fanbase (if you have one) are going to find out?
> > > If pointing out your mistakes is making a horse's arse of myself, I'm
> > > sure I'll be doing it for a long time to come.
> >
> > ?? I'm speaking of both your embarrassing attempts at flaming
> That's be
Who's the published author?
> because I'm not trying to flame... I leave embarrassing
> attempts at flaming to you. After all, you're the expert.
.-. . . . . .-. .-. . . . .-. .-.
| |< | |-| |( | | | |-| |
`-' ' ` ` ` ' `-' `.'.' ` ' `-'
> > unspoken reasons for entering this conflict.
> So you're a fucking mind reader now as well are you?
I said your reasons were unspoken, I didn't say what they *were*.
Please work on your reading comprehension. Who's the published author?
> Haven't you got
> it into your head yet? There is no conflict. There's just you throwing
> your toys out of the pram and everybody else laughing at you.
Would *you* post a physical threat to somebody at whom you were laughing?
> > > I have many publishers, and a fanbase, none of whom are the slightest
> > > bit worried about me arguing with an ignorant cunt on USENET.
> >
> > ?? They may worry where their money's going if you continue to argue this
> > poorly.
> Nope. No worries on that score. You see, nobody but you pays any
> attention to this "conflict" of yours
Crap. If that was true, it would have been over long ago.
> and certainly not publishers.
So you hope, anyway.
> > > And I'm making money from screenwriting too... small world, isn't it?
> >
> > ?? Up to three figures yet?
> Past five and heading for six, but thanks for asking.
*puts face in left hand, and exhales bemusedly*
*Thought balloon: "Good Christ, he actually did it!"*
Autoflame Grade: A+. Here come the stalkers...
--
alt.flame "you're not really very smart, are you?" Special Forces
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-03 20:50:02 +0000, williemeikle <meikle...@yahoo.com> said:
> >> unspoken reasons for entering this conflict.
> >
> > Haven't you got it into your head yet? There is no conflict. There's just you
> > throwing your toys out of the pram and everybody else laughing at you.
> . . . and CHECKMATE.
Do you swallow?
--
ReVulse
> williemeikle <meikle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 3:04??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
>> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>> > > > > I don't "claim" to be a published author. I am a published
>> > > > > author.
>> >
>> > > > ?? Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do, only for far less
>> > > > money. *golf clap*
>> >
>> > > > ?? Aren't you worried that, if you keep making a horse's arse out
>> > > > of yourself like this on a global and permanently archived forum,
>> > > > your publisher (if you have one) and your fanbase (if you have
>> > > > one) are going to find out?
>> > > If pointing out your mistakes is making a horse's arse of myself,
>> > > I'm sure I'll be doing it for a long time to come.
>> >
>> > ?? I'm speaking of both your embarrassing attempts at flaming
>
>> That's be
>
> Who's the published author?
But HE IS a published author, and the proof is available for everyone to
see, so you're making yourself look more of a twat.
>
>> because I'm not trying to flame... I leave embarrassing attempts at
>> flaming to you. After all, you're the expert.
>
> .-. . . . . .-. .-. . . . .-. .-.
> | |< | |-| |( | | | |-| |
> `-' ' ` ` ` ' `-' `.'.' ` ' `-'
>
>> > unspoken reasons for entering this conflict.
>
>> So you're a fucking mind reader now as well are you?
>
> I said your reasons were unspoken, I didn't say what they *were*.
>
> Please work on your reading comprehension. Who's the published author?
>
>> Haven't you got
>> it into your head yet? There is no conflict. There's just you throwing
>> your toys out of the pram and everybody else laughing at you.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8urnqe
>
> Would *you* post a physical threat to somebody at whom you were
> laughing?
Jesus wept. Are you STILL going on about that? Considering you live in
the USA and I live in the UK, I assumed you could work out that it wasn't
a serious threat.
>
>> > > I have many publishers, and a fanbase, none of whom are the
>> > > slightest bit worried about me arguing with an ignorant cunt on
>> > > USENET.
>> >
>> > ?? They may worry where their money's going if you continue to argue
>> > this poorly.
>
>> Nope. No worries on that score. You see, nobody but you pays any
>> attention to this "conflict" of yours
>
> Crap. If that was true, it would have been over long ago.
>
>> and certainly not publishers.
>
> So you hope, anyway.
>
>> > > And I'm making money from screenwriting too... small world, isn't
>> > > it?
>> >
>> > ?? Up to three figures yet?
>
>> Past five and heading for six, but thanks for asking.
>
> *puts face in left hand, and exhales bemusedly*
>
> *Thought balloon: "Good Christ, he actually did it!"*
>
> Autoflame Grade: A+. Here come the stalkers...
You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
Dr Walpurgis
>> When you've posted A SINGLE MEMORABLE POST about ANYTHING even VAGUELY
>> on-topic, I'll be sure to review your FICTIOUS RESUME once again. Until
>> then, give up on your local MOM & POP video store, your DOG-EARED copy
>> of Halliwell's ("HAHAHAHAHAHA", etc) and KEEP LEARNING AT MY FEET.
>
> Irony alert!
You'll lose flamewars more slowly and less often if you actually learn
what words mean.
--
"I have banished Bod from alt.horror." - Avoid normal situations, 22/7/09
Lesmond
>
>You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
He was disappointed with the answer, especially considering that all *he's*
earned from writing is a cast-off computer from an online fattie.
--
If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-05 03:34:09 +0000, ANuS said:
> >> When you've posted A SINGLE MEMORABLE POST about ANYTHING even VAGUELY
> >> on-topic, I'll be sure to review your FICTIOUS RESUME once again. Until
> >> then, give up on your local MOM & POP video store, your DOG-EARED copy
> >> of Halliwell's ("HAHAHAHAHAHA", etc) and KEEP LEARNING AT MY FEET.
> >
> > Irony alert!
> You'll lose flamewars more slowly and less often if you actually learn
> what words mean.
I think you still don't even see it.
Avoid normal situations.
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:35:49 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> > williemeikle <meikle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 3, 3:04??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> >> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
[..]
> >> > > > > I don't "claim" to be a published author. I am a published
> >> > > > > author.
> >> >
> >> > > > ?? Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do, only for far less
> >> > > > money. *golf clap*
> >> >
> >> > > > ?? Aren't you worried that, if you keep making a horse's arse out
> >> > > > of yourself like this on a global and permanently archived forum,
> >> > > > your publisher (if you have one) and your fanbase (if you have
> >> > > > one) are going to find out?
> >> > > If pointing out your mistakes is making a horse's arse of myself,
> >> > > I'm sure I'll be doing it for a long time to come.
> >> >
> >> > ?? I'm speaking of both your embarrassing attempts at flaming
> >
> >> That's be
> >
> > Who's the published author?
> But HE IS a published author, and the proof is available for everyone to
> see, so you're making yourself look more of a twat.
On the contrary. His authorship doesn't so much give him more authority
as less excuse for such piss-poor writing.
> >> Haven't you got
> >> it into your head yet? There is no conflict. There's just you throwing
> >> your toys out of the pram and everybody else laughing at you.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/8urnqe
> >
> > Would *you* post a physical threat to somebody at whom you were
> > laughing?
> Jesus wept. Are you STILL going on about that?
You will never be allowed to forget.
> Considering you live in
> the USA and I live in the UK, I assumed you could work out that it wasn't
> a serious threat.
I don't think a lot of rationality was involved in your decision to make
that post.
> >> > > And I'm making money from screenwriting too... small world, isn't
> >> > > it?
> >> >
> >> > ?? Up to three figures yet?
> >
> >> Past five and heading for six, but thanks for asking.
> >
> > *puts face in left hand, and exhales bemusedly*
> >
> > *Thought balloon: "Good Christ, he actually did it!"*
> >
> > Autoflame Grade: A+. Here come the stalkers...
> You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
Do I *really* have to spell it out?
--
alt.flame Special Forces
Avoid normal situations.
> On 5 Jan 2010 09:38:35 GMT, ReVulse wrote:
> >You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
> He was disappointed with the answer, especially considering that all *he's*
> earned from writing is a cast-off computer from an online fattie.
Do I really have to spell it out for you, too?
--
alt.flame Special Forces
Avoid normal situations.
> On Jan 5, 6:38??am, ReVulse <ReVu...@psychaoticREMOVETHIS.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:35:49 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> > > williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> On Jan 3, 3:04??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> > >> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >> > > > > I don't "claim" to be a published author. I am a published
> > >> > > > > author.
> >
> > >> > > > ?? Groovy. Same thing that we screenwriters do, only for far less
> > >> > > > money. *golf clap*
> >
> > >> > > > ?? Aren't you worried that, if you keep making a horse's arse out
> > >> > > > of yourself like this on a global and permanently archived forum,
> > >> > > > your publisher (if you have one) and your fanbase (if you have
> > >> > > > one) are going to find out?
> > >> > > If pointing out your mistakes is making a horse's arse of myself,
> > >> > > I'm sure I'll be doing it for a long time to come.
> >
> > >> > ?? I'm speaking of both your embarrassing attempts at flaming
> >
> > >> That's be
> >
> >
> > But HE IS a published author, and the proof is available for everyone to
> > see, so you're making yourself look more of a twat.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >> because I'm not trying to flame... I leave embarrassing attempts at
> > >> flaming to you. After all, you're the expert.
> >
> > > .-. . . . . .-. .-. . . . .-. .-.
> > > `-' ' ` ??` ??` ' `-' `.'.' ` ' `-'
> >
> > >> > unspoken reasons for entering this conflict.
> >
> > >> So you're a fucking mind reader now as well are you?
> >
> >
> > > ?? Please work on your reading comprehension. Who's the published author?
> >
> > >> Haven't you got
> > >> it into your head yet? There is no conflict. There's just you throwing
> > >> your toys out of the pram and everybody else laughing at you.
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/8urnqe
> >
> > > ?? laughing?
> >
> > Jesus wept. Are you STILL going on about that? Considering you live in
> > the USA and I live in the UK, I assumed you could work out that it wasn't
> > a serious threat.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >> > > I have many publishers, and a fanbase, none of whom are the
> > >> > > slightest bit worried about me arguing with an ignorant cunt on
> > >> > > USENET.
> >
> > >> > ?? They may worry where their money's going if you continue to argue
> > >> > this poorly.
> >
> > >> Nope. No worries on that score. You see, nobody but you pays any
> > >> attention to this "conflict" of yours
> >
> >
> > >> and certainly not publishers.
> >
> > > ?? So you hope, anyway.
> >
> > >> > > And I'm making money from screenwriting too... small world, isn't
> > >> > > it?
> >
> > >> > ?? Up to three figures yet?
> >
> > >> Past five and heading for six, but thanks for asking.
> >
> >
> > > ?? *Thought balloon: "Good Christ, he actually did it!"*
> >
> > > ?? Autoflame Grade: A+. Here come the stalkers...
> >
> > You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
> >
> > --
> > #Andy#
> >
> > http://www.last.fm/user/revulse_1968/
> >
> > "all your glad-handing is going to be wasted effort
> > ??off alt.horror." - Avoid Normal Situations (7th May 2009)
< APPLAUSE >
--
alt.flame Special Forces
Dr Walpurgis
>>> You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
>>
>> He was disappointed with the answer, especially considering that all *he's*
>> earned from writing is a cast-off computer from an online fattie.
>
> Do I really have to spell it out for you, too?
POOR LAD. You sure are having COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS today.
What was it WILD BILL used to say about "the fault of the sender"?
Your SENDER has been FAULTY FOR YEARS, you BORING BLITHERER.
Of course, it might explain why you can't get any of your SINGLE ROOM
SCRIBBLINGS published. There's a LESSON in there for you somewhere,
Jacky son, if only you had the REQUISITE SELF-AWARENESS to find it.
--
"This is even more lame than usual than you." - Avoid normal
situations, 15/5/09
Lesmond
>Lesmond <les...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 5 Jan 2010 09:38:35 GMT, ReVulse wrote:
>
>> >You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
>
>> He was disappointed with the answer, especially considering that all *he's*
>> earned from writing is a cast-off computer from an online fattie.
>
> Do I really have to spell it out for you, too?
Yes, please.
How many manuscripts or screenplays have you sold? Have you received any
positive reviews of your writing besides one lonely fat woman a decade ago?
Dr Walpurgis
>>>> I know nothing about Quantum Physics, but we Quantum Physicists think
>>>> you're a cunt.
>>>
>>> Trying to get a headstart on the competition for Worst Flame Of The
>>> Month?
>>
>> There's no point; you always win that award.
>
> the only flames avoided by ANuS were the ones his family missed out on
> by surviving WW2.
< cue Richard WAGNER >
--
"I don't know how much longer this campaign is going to go on." - Avoid
normal situations, 20/11/09
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-03 18:38:30 +0000, "bod" <soapy...@glasscoffetable.com> said:
[..]
> > the only flames avoided by ANuS were the ones his family missed out on
> > by surviving WW2.
> < cue Richard WAGNER >
This whole "you're Jewish!" thing is really weird, and not in a good way.
Not least because, AFAIK, it's not true. It's like you people want to look
as bad as possible.
Dr Walpurgis
>>> the only flames avoided by ANuS were the ones his family missed out on
>>> by surviving WW2.
>>
>> < cue Richard WAGNER >
>
> This whole "you're Jewish!" thing is really weird, and not in a good way.
> Not least because, AFAIK, it's not true. It's like you people want to look
> as bad as possible.
Why do you HATE YOUR OWN?
Sickening.
--
"I am as predictable as the sunrise" - Avoid normal situations, 12/7/09
Avoid normal situations.
> On 5 Jan 2010 15:22:43 GMT, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> >Lesmond <les...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On 5 Jan 2010 09:38:35 GMT, ReVulse wrote:
> >
> >> >You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
> >
> >> He was disappointed with the answer, especially considering that all *he's*
> >> earned from writing is a cast-off computer from an online fattie.
> >
> > Do I really have to spell it out for you, too?
> Yes, please.
Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this group,
but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's approaching
a six-figure income in a global and permanently archived forum is completely
batshit insane... particularly as, according to leading economists, we're in
the worst economic crisis since The Great Depression, and hungry people do
crazy things. I haven't seen somebody paint a target on himself like that
since Rosemarie Scott told everyone on alt.flame that she's a Jehovah's
Witness.
> How many manuscripts or screenplays have you sold?
Zero. And if I had, I sure as hell wouldn't tell *you* about it.
> Have you received any
> positive reviews of your writing besides one lonely fat woman a decade ago?
Oh joy, a "have you stopped beating your wife" question.
I have no idea if "Emilia" is lonely or fat or not, as I have never met her.
That was kind of the point of the story.
Friends' critiques of one's work tend to be too, well, friendly. Groupthink
problems plague other forms of evaluation as well. The wonderful thing about
that whole affair is that I won a total stranger's heart with something I
wrote. Hell, she doesn't know what *I* look like, either, so not even my
greyish-blue eyes would have influenced her opinion.
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-05 15:22:43 +0000, ANuS said:
[..]
> Of course, it might explain why you can't get any of your SINGLE ROOM
> SCRIBBLINGS published.
By and large, software engineering pays better. Besides, when everyone is
swine, there's no point in making pearls.
bod
"Dr Walpurgis" <burke.d...@cunting.hun> wrote in message
news:hi2mif$dpj$1...@drwalpurgis.motzarella.org...
> On 2010-01-06 18:32:57 +0000, ANuS said:
>
>>>> the only flames avoided by ANuS were the ones his family missed out on
>>>> by surviving WW2.
>>>
>>> < cue Richard WAGNER >
>>
>> This whole "you're Jewish!" thing is really weird, and not in a good way.
>> Not least because, AFAIK, it's not true. It's like you people want to
>> look
>> as bad as possible.
>
> Why do you HATE YOUR OWN?
>
im just wondering if he has to cut out holes in his skull cap so he can fit
his BAT EARS through them?!
Dr Walpurgis
>> Of course, it might explain why you can't get any of your SINGLE ROOM
>> SCRIBBLINGS published.
>
> By and large, software engineering pays better. Besides, when everyone is
> swine, there's no point in making pearls.
A BITTER MAN.
ReVulse
> Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this
> group,
> but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's
> approaching a six-figure income in a global and permanently archived
> forum is completely batshit insane... particularly as, according to
> leading economists, we're in the worst economic crisis since The Great
> Depression, and hungry people do crazy things. I haven't seen somebody
> paint a target on himself like that since Rosemarie Scott told everyone
> on alt.flame that she's a Jehovah's Witness.
You're a twat. Do you remember when you said a similar thing about me
after I bet you a significant amount of money that you couldn't drive me
off this group? Unsurprisingly, I wasn't contacted by anyone looking for
money.
Here's a newsflash - alt.horror isn't read by thousands of people
worldwide, it's probably only read by the regulars and a handful of
lurkers. If you woke up to that fact, maybe you would realise how insane
your FAQ makes you look.
Dr Walpurgis
>> Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this
>> group,
>> but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's
>> approaching a six-figure income in a global and permanently archived
>> forum is completely batshit insane... particularly as, according to
>> leading economists, we're in the worst economic crisis since The Great
>> Depression, and hungry people do crazy things. I haven't seen somebody
>> paint a target on himself like that since Rosemarie Scott told everyone
>> on alt.flame that she's a Jehovah's Witness.
>
> Here's a newsflash - alt.horror isn't read by thousands of people
> worldwide, it's probably only read by the regulars and a handful of
> lurkers. If you woke up to that fact, maybe you would realise how insane
> your FAQ makes you look.
"BATSHIT insane".
Lesmond
The wonderful thing about
>that whole affair is that I won a total stranger's heart with something I
>wrote. Hell, she doesn't know what *I* look like, either, so not even my
>greyish-blue eyes would have influenced her opinion.
You have psycho eyes?
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> Lesmond <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On 5 Jan 2010 15:22:43 GMT, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> > >> On 5 Jan 2010 09:38:35 GMT, ReVulse wrote:
>
> > >> >You asked him a question and he answered it. What is wrong with that?
>
> > >> He was disappointed with the answer, especially considering that all *he's*
> > >> earned from writing is a cast-off computer from an online fattie.
>
> > > Do I really have to spell it out for you, too?
> > Yes, please.
>
> Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this group,
> but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's approaching
> a six-figure income
... that was just for the screenplays. You're the one using the word
"hotshot
". I don't think I'm doing well enough and my target is much higher
than that.
And you asked the question. Didn't you wan't an answer? Are you in the
habit of asking strangers questions for which you don't require an
answer? If so, I suggest some psychiatric help may be in order.
Screaming to the entire world? What a strange little man you are. This
is alt.horror, read by about 10 people and a donkey. Not exactly a
worldwide media phenomenon now, is it?
And if I -did- bring any trouble on myself, where has it gone? Four
days now and counting....
--
Willie
whessoe
"Dr Walpurgis" <burke.d...@cunting.hun> wrote in message
"Rat Shit - Bat Shit - Dirty Little Twat - 69 Assholes Tied in a Knot -
Horray Lizard!.....Shit!.......Fuck!"
Blackwingbear
> . This is alt.horror, read by about 10 people and a donkey.
"Has..... anyone seen the burro?" - DEAD LIKE ME
Avoid normal situations.
> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:30:11 +0000, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> > Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this
> > group,
> > but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's
> > approaching a six-figure income in a global and permanently archived
> > forum is completely batshit insane... particularly as, according to
> > leading economists, we're in the worst economic crisis since The Great
> > Depression, and hungry people do crazy things. I haven't seen somebody
> > paint a target on himself like that since Rosemarie Scott told everyone
> > on alt.flame that she's a Jehovah's Witness.
> You're a twat. Do you remember when you said a similar thing about me
> after I bet you a significant amount of money that you couldn't drive me
> off this group? Unsurprisingly, I wasn't contacted by anyone looking for
> money.
Probably because no one believed you.
> Here's a newsflash - alt.horror isn't read by thousands of people
> worldwide, it's probably only read by the regulars and a handful of
> lurkers.
Key word there being "probably". Not that I believe it anyway.
> If you woke up to that fact, maybe you would realise how insane
> your FAQ makes you look.
If the FAQ did indeed make me appear insane, you would actually be able to
gainsay something in it. At the very least, some part of it would have made
Walpurgis's collection of .sigs. Instead, he's resorted to a whole lot of
stuff that's been snipped out of context.
As such, Walpurgis is lying to the entire group, every day. I never thought
I'd see somebody with the gall to do something like that, particularly
somebody who takes newsgroup goings-on as seriously as he does.
Like I said: it's like he wants to look as bad as possible in front of as
many people as possible. I suppose there's a measure of freedom in hitting
bottom, and he, just like everyone else in his little clique, knows damn well
he'll never have any real status of any kind out there in the real world...
Avoid normal situations.
> On 6 Jan 2010 22:30:11 GMT, Avoid normal situations. wrote:
> The wonderful thing about
> >that whole affair is that I won a total stranger's heart with something I
> >wrote. Hell, she doesn't know what *I* look like, either, so not even my
> >greyish-blue eyes would have influenced her opinion.
> You have psycho eyes?
Huh?
Avoid normal situations.
> On Jan 6, 7:30??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
[..]
> > ?? Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this group,
> > but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's approaching
> > a six-figure income
> ... that was just for the screenplays. You're the one using the word
> "hotshot
> ". I don't think I'm doing well enough and my target is much higher
> than that.
Whatever.
> And you asked the question. Didn't you wan't an answer?
Of course I did. Give some people enough rope...
> Are you in the
> habit of asking strangers questions for which you don't require an
> answer? If so, I suggest some psychiatric help may be in order.
Hey, Meikle... I'm over here. Stop arguing with your sock.
> Screaming to the entire world? What a strange little man you are. This
> is alt.horror, read by about 10 people and a donkey. Not exactly a
> worldwide media phenomenon now, is it?
How do you know?
> And if I -did- bring any trouble on myself, where has it gone? Four
> days now and counting....
Normal people are always so helpless in the face of a threat that moves
slowly enough.
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 7:30??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> > <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> > > ?? Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this group,
> > > but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's approaching
> > > a six-figure income
> > ... that was just for the screenplays. You're the one using the word
> > "hotshot
> > ". I don't think I'm doing well enough and my target is much higher
> > than that.
>
> Whatever.
>
> > And you asked the question. Didn't you wan't an answer?
>
> Of course I did. Give some people enough rope...
And fuck all happens. Funny that, isn't it.
>
> > Are you in the
> > habit of asking strangers questions for which you don't require an
> > answer? If so, I suggest some psychiatric help may be in order.
>
> Hey, Meikle... I'm over here. Stop arguing with your sock.
>
Are you sure you're sane?
> > Screaming to the entire world? What a strange little man you are. This
> > is alt.horror, read by about 10 people and a donkey. Not exactly a
> > worldwide media phenomenon now, is it?
>
> How do you know?
Observation. You should try it some time.
>
> > And if I -did- bring any trouble on myself, where has it gone? Four
> > days now and counting....
>
> Normal people are always so helpless in the face of a threat that moves
> slowly enough.
>
No, they're not.
__
Willie
Avoid normal situations.
> On 2010-01-06 23:49:08 +0000, ANuS said:
> >> Of course, it might explain why you can't get any of your SINGLE ROOM
> >> SCRIBBLINGS published.
> >
> > By and large, software engineering pays better. Besides, when everyone is
> > swine, there's no point in making pearls.
> A BITTER MAN.
I must have said about a thousand times by now, "Thank fuck I majored in
Computer Science instead of Film." So, why, exactly, am I supposed to be
bitter, you silly little man?
You mean "bitter", like the author of this post?
Still stings like a bitch, doesn't it?
Avoid normal situations.
> On Jan 7, 5:48??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> > williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 6, 7:30??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> > > <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > ?? Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this group,
> > > > but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's approaching
> > > > a six-figure income
> > > ... that was just for the screenplays. You're the one using the word
> > > "hotshot
> > > ". I don't think I'm doing well enough and my target is much higher
> > > than that.
> >
> >
> > > And you asked the question. Didn't you wan't an answer?
> >
> And fuck all happens. Funny that, isn't it.
So, if you had unprotected sex with Dr. Walpurgis, and you were not
exhibiting any symptoms of opportunistic infections or tumors after four
whole days, would you automatically assume that you were not HIV-positive,
and that you couldn't possibly be?
> > > Are you in the
> > > habit of asking strangers questions for which you don't require an
> > > answer? If so, I suggest some psychiatric help may be in order.
> >
> > ?? Hey, Meikle... I'm over here. Stop arguing with your sock.
> Are you sure you're sane?
FAQ #5.
> > > Screaming to the entire world? What a strange little man you are. This
> > > is alt.horror, read by about 10 people and a donkey. Not exactly a
> > > worldwide media phenomenon now, is it?
> >
> > ?? How do you know?
> Observation. You should try it some time.
So, what observation led you to make a sweeping generalization about
billions of total strangers?
> > > And if I -did- bring any trouble on myself, where has it gone? Four
> > > days now and counting....
> >
> > ?? Normal people are always so helpless in the face of a threat that moves
> > slowly enough.
> No, they're not.
You were a debate team champion in grade school, weren't you?
williemeikle
<byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 5:48??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> > <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> > > williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 6, 7:30??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> > > > <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
> > > ?? [..]
>
> > > > > ?? Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this group,
> > > > > but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's approaching
> > > > > a six-figure income
> > > > ... that was just for the screenplays. You're the one using the word
> > > > "hotshot
> > > > ". I don't think I'm doing well enough and my target is much higher
> > > > than that.
>
> > > ?? Whatever.
>
> > > > And you asked the question. Didn't you wan't an answer?
>
> > > ?? Of course I did. Give some people enough rope...
> > And fuck all happens. Funny that, isn't it.
>
> So, if you had unprotected sex with Dr. Walpurgis, and you were not
> exhibiting any symptoms of opportunistic infections or tumors after four
> whole days, would you automatically assume that you were not HIV-positive,
> and that you couldn't possibly be?
>
6 days now... still no trouble. Must be one of those slow moving
threats you were speaking about. I won't hold my breath.
> > > > Are you in the
> > > > habit of asking strangers questions for which you don't require an
> > > > answer? If so, I suggest some psychiatric help may be in order.
>
> > > ?? Hey, Meikle... I'm over here. Stop arguing with your sock.
> > Are you sure you're sane?
>
> FAQ #5.
Still haven't read it.
> > > > Screaming to the entire world? What a strange little man you are. This
> > > > isalt.horror, read by about 10 people and a donkey. Not exactly a
> > > > worldwide media phenomenon now, is it?
>
> > > ?? How do you know?
> > Observation. You should try it some time.
>
> So, what observation led you to make a sweeping generalization about
> billions of total strangers?
>
Nope, just led me to the conclusion that they're not reading this
newsgroup. You're not very smart, are you?
> > > > And if I -did- bring any trouble on myself, where has it gone? Four
> > > > days now and counting....
>
> > > ?? Normal people are always so helpless in the face of a threat that moves
> > > slowly enough.
> > No, they're not.
>
> You were a debate team champion in grade school, weren't you?
>
>
Grade school? Never went to one.
Is that it? You really are an expert "flamer" aren't you?
Let me know when you want to hit a target. I'll stand still for a
while.
--
Willie
deadrodentyping
> Let me know when you want to hit a target. I'll stand still for a
> while.
>
Ha!
Lesmond
>On Jan 8, 10:05ÿam, "Avoid normal situations."
>>
>> ÿ FAQ #5.
>
>Still haven't read it.
Has anyone?
Ascmjk
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:02:03 -0800 (PST), williemeikle wrote:
>
>
> >Still haven't read it.
>
> Has anyone?
>
> --
> If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
I just got done looking at it. A few knee jerk observations. ANS says
he's been posting since 1992; if true, that would make him one of
alt.horror's oldest posters, and perhaps give him one of the longest-
running posting histories on all of Usenet. If he was reading and
posting to Usenet in '92, he may have been fortunate enough to have
communicated with some of alt.horror's founding fathers (some of which
undoubtedly were still around in 92). That's a remarkable achievement
for which he deserves some degree of esteem imo. He has a lot of
knowledge.
But, I want to keep this report fair and balanced (a policy which I'm
sure ANS appreciates), so I'm compelled to point out some elements of
the FAQ that worried me. He admits to being friendly with Robert Lee
early on, even admits to disregarding some pretty clear warning signs
that Mr. Lee was fundamentally imbalanced. But who among us has never
had a friend who acts like an asshole sometimes? I think we're all
guilty of associating with jerks from time to time.
How do most friendships like that end? Generally, I'd say they end
gradually. You can't control the winds of life but you can control the
sails. You adjust them and begin drifting in different directions, you
stop taking their calls, and sooner or later you realize you haven't
seen them in almost a year and you have no desire to see them again.
Some relationships simply, slowly but surely, cease to exist -- like
Marty McFly's siblings fading from a photograph in 1955.
And often the person we were when we associated with those people has
ceased to exist as well. A person you couldn't imagine associating
with today may have seemed like a pretty cool person ten years ago.
But sometimes it doesn't end gradually. Sometimes there's a tipping
point. Sometimes the person you used to like, the person who acts like
a jerk once and a while, does something so outrageously inappropriate
and mean spirited that you feel compelled to end your association with
them immediately. Such an event occurred when Robert Lee posted that
unforgivable blog entry that shocks civilized humanity to read -- a
blog entry which overnight garnered over 150 angry replies from
outraged citizens, and ultimately generated a backlash so severe that
Mr. Lee decided to blow up his owm blog and escape while the smoke
cleared.
This, combined with some other outrageous behavior, convinced ANS that
Mr. Lee was beyond redemption. What troubles me is the mean-spirited
nature of the strategy ANS claims to have gleefully adopted in order
to facilitate Mr. Lee's demise. Let Mr. Lee destroy himself. ANS
writes of this being a "golden opportunity" to witness such a dramatic
example of self destruction, and he likens it to Nicholas Cage's slow
suicide in "Leaving Las Vegas".
Wow. Just because someone acts like a bigoted homophobic jerk, we
should view that as a "golden opportunity" to revel in sadistic
voyeurism? I can only assume ANS has never had a substance abuse
problem, or never loved anyone who has, otherwise he'd probably get
less of a thrill out of watching someone destroy himself. Sadism
between two consentual adults is perectly fine, and there's nothing
wrong about getting a sexual thrill from spanking someone (assuming
they like to be spanked), but this isn't behind closed doors. If
watching someone else suffer gives you a sexual thrill (or *any* kind
of thrill), at least admit it, because if you can't do that it says
something rather profound about your character.
Hiding behind the cloak of legality and morality has contributed to
much suffering throughout human history. The crusaders found it easy
to recruit wannabe knights by saying "to kill an infidel is not a sin!
It is the will of God!" In other words, we're giving you the right to
engage in sadistic murder and not get into trouble because the
infidels *deserve* it!
As mentioned above, this is my initial knee jerk response to what I
read. I could be wrong. But ANS, perhaps your renewed assault upon the
existence of Mr. Lee was misguided. Even if Walpurgis was the one who
brought him up again. The man had been driven to destroy his own blog,
and as you mentioned, he went into hiding and stayed there for a long
time. He had already been humbled.
"To kick a man when he's down is to attack at the person's weakest
moment. It defies the gentlemanly code of ethics and does detract from
reputation," to quote from the urbandictionary.
Having said all of the preceding I should also say that I tend to
enjoy reading your posts, especially those in which you discuss what
alt.horror was formed to discuss. You have a lot of knowledge. But
this flame thing, I say let it burn itself out without contributing to
it anymore. Even if you manage to "win" it will be a hollow victory.
Walpurgis has been a fixture here on alt.horror longer than almost
anyone; surely you can overlook his occasional slights. Yes, he's held
a grudge against you for a long time and he's essentially unmovable
once he makes up his mind (as his response to my Criswell inquiry
proves--although you seem to agree with him on that issue, as you have
been equally unwilling to reveal the reason behind Criswell's abrupt
exit), but so what?
I think you overreacted to the stalker charge. It seemed like flippant
name calling to me (they've probably insinuated the same thing about
me due to my continuing investigation into the mystery of Criswell's
disappearance). For you to post examples of *real* stalkers like Bardo
wasn't necessary and probably did more harm than good. People aren't
going to suddenly read Bardo's bio and think "Wow, ANS is right! His
postings about Robert Lee come nowhere *close* to the sick twisted
shit Bardo did!" It doesn't matter if technically you are correct (and
technically, you are; Bardo was a stalker and you are not), what
matters is what people will think about the fact that you are taking
such a flippant insult so seriously. Surely you see the logic in what
I am saying. If you provide the world with evidence of a thin skin,
get ready to duck.
Not that you have a thin skin. Indeed, anyone who has posted to Usenet
as long as you clearly has been involved in enough flame wars to know
what it feels like to get burned. You're a veteran. But even veterans
start to lose it eventually.
Alt.horror exists, no matter how many people read it. And as long as
it exists, it needs people who post interesting things about the topic
it was created to discuss. Say what you will about Walpurgis, but
there's no denying his continuing on topic contributions to this
group. He's a bit arrogant but he's consistent.
A few words about the "published writer" who has contributed to this
thread recently. I personally have never heard of him, and I'm someone
who reads a lot. The fact is that lot of people are hurting right now,
in lots of professions, fiction writers included. Do not gloat about
you accomplishments, sir. Every once and a while you should ask
yourself: "What would Stephen King do?" Would he dare people on Usenet
to "hit the target" and so forth? I think not.
I could go on, but the time has come to stop. No one is in the right
here. Everyone should walk away. Just my two cents.
williemeikle
> On Jan 8, 10:21 am, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:02:03 -0800 (PST), williemeikle wrote:
> > >On Jan 8, 10:05 am, "Avoid normal situations."
>
> > >> FAQ #5.
>
> > >Still haven't read it.
>
> > Has anyone?
>
> > --
> > If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
>
> I just got done looking at it. A few knee jerk observations. ANS says
> running posting histories on all of Usenet. If he was reading and
> posting to Usenet in '92, he may have been fortunate enough to have
> this flame thing, I say let it burn itself out without contributing to
> it anymore. Even if you manage to "win" it will be a hollow victory.
> anyone; surely you can overlook his occasional slights. Yes, he's held
> a grudge against you for a long time and he's essentially unmovable
> once he makes up his mind (as his response to my Criswell inquiry
> proves--although you seem to agree with him on that issue, as you have
> been equally unwilling to reveal the reason behind Criswell's abrupt
> exit), but so what?
>
> I think you overreacted to the stalker charge. It seemed like flippant
> name calling to me (they've probably insinuated the same thing about
> me due to my continuing investigation into the mystery of Criswell's
> disappearance). For you to post examples of *real* stalkers like Bardo
> wasn't necessary and probably did more harm than good. People aren't
> going to suddenly read Bardo's bio and think "Wow, ANS is right! His
> postings about Robert Lee come nowhere *close* to the sick twisted
> shit Bardo did!" It doesn't matter if technically you are correct (and
> technically, you are; Bardo was a stalker and you are not), what
> matters is what people will think about the fact that you are taking
> such a flippant insult so seriously. Surely you see the logic in what
> I am saying. If you provide the world with evidence of a thin skin,
> get ready to duck.
>
> Not that you have a thin skin. Indeed, anyone who has posted to Usenet
> as long as you clearly has been involved in enough flame wars to know
> what it feels like to get burned. You're a veteran. But even veterans
> start to lose it eventually.
>
> it exists, it needs people who post interesting things about the topic
> it was created to discuss. Say what you will about Walpurgis, but
> there's no denying his continuing on topic contributions to this
> group. He's a bit arrogant but he's consistent.
>
> A few words about the "published writer" who has contributed to this
> thread recently. I personally have never heard of him, and I'm someone
> who reads a lot. The fact is that lot of people are hurting right now,
> in lots of professions, fiction writers included. Do not gloat about
> you accomplishments, sir.
ANS is the one who keeps throwing the fact that I'm a published writer
at me. I haven't posted anything about my writing to this group for
years.
__
Willie
Lesmond
I am replying to this post, with a caveat about major snippage throughout,
although he makes it tough, since he ties things together so well. I like
this guy. Sure, he seems a tad obsessive and is prone to run on and on.
But, he makes some excellent points, seems to have really thought this stuff
out and is quite readable and entertaining.
The thing I like the most is that it is never about *him*. Ascmjk, you seem
to have no ego. I'm curious about you.
On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:41:58 -0800 (PST), Ascmjk wrote:
>
>I just got done looking at it. A few knee jerk observations.
<snip>
>
>But, I want to keep this report fair and balanced (a policy which I'm
>sure ANS appreciates), so I'm compelled to point out some elements of
>the FAQ that worried me. He admits to being friendly with Robert Lee
>early on, even admits to disregarding some pretty clear warning signs
>that Mr. Lee was fundamentally imbalanced. But who among us has never
>had a friend who acts like an asshole sometimes? I think we're all
>guilty of associating with jerks from time to time.
>
>How do most friendships like that end?
<snip>
Such an event occurred when Robert Lee posted that
>unforgivable blog entry that shocks civilized humanity to read -- a
>blog entry which overnight garnered over 150 angry replies from
>outraged citizens, and ultimately generated a backlash so severe that
>Mr. Lee decided to blow up his owm blog and escape while the smoke
>cleared.
I have never read this blog entry and I would like to. Do you have it
archived by any chance?
>
>This, combined with some other outrageous behavior, convinced ANS that
>Mr. Lee was beyond redemption. What troubles me is the mean-spirited
>nature of the strategy ANS claims to have gleefully adopted in order
>to facilitate Mr. Lee's demise. Let Mr. Lee destroy himself. ANS
>writes of this being a "golden opportunity" to witness such a dramatic
>example of self destruction, and he likens it to Nicholas Cage's slow
>suicide in "Leaving Las Vegas".
>
>Wow. Just because someone acts like a bigoted homophobic jerk, we
>should view that as a "golden opportunity" to revel in sadistic
>voyeurism? I can only assume ANS has never had a substance abuse
>problem, or never loved anyone who has, otherwise he'd probably get
>less of a thrill out of watching someone destroy himself. Sadism
>between two consentual adults is perectly fine, and there's nothing
>wrong about getting a sexual thrill from spanking someone (assuming
>they like to be spanked), but this isn't behind closed doors. If
>watching someone else suffer gives you a sexual thrill (or *any* kind
>of thrill), at least admit it, because if you can't do that it says
>something rather profound about your character.
Those were a beautiful two paragraphs.
>
>Hiding behind the cloak of legality and morality has contributed to
>much suffering throughout human history. The crusaders found it easy
>to recruit wannabe knights by saying "to kill an infidel is not a sin!
>It is the will of God!" In other words, we're giving you the right to
>engage in sadistic murder and not get into trouble because the
>infidels *deserve* it!
>
>As mentioned above, this is my initial knee jerk response to what I
>read. I could be wrong. But ANS, perhaps your renewed assault upon the
>existence of Mr. Lee was misguided. Even if Walpurgis was the one who
>brought him up again. The man had been driven to destroy his own blog,
>and as you mentioned, he went into hiding and stayed there for a long
>time. He had already been humbled.
>
>"To kick a man when he's down is to attack at the person's weakest
>moment. It defies the gentlemanly code of ethics and does detract from
>reputation," to quote from the urbandictionary.
But I believe ANS will tell you it's the code of alt.flame to do so, when
given the opportunity. After all, you can't really destroy someone unless
they've already done most of the job for you, right?
>
>Having said all of the preceding I should also say that I tend to
>enjoy reading your posts, especially those in which you discuss what
>alt.horror was formed to discuss. You have a lot of knowledge. But
>this flame thing, I say let it burn itself out without contributing to
>it anymore. Even if you manage to "win" it will be a hollow victory.
There was never a flame war until ANS started it. He objected to some folks
here who disagreed with him and started crossposting to alt.flame. He still
doesn't understand that it's a big joke.
And I have to admit I find it quite amusing that he has finally gotten
someone to read his FAQ and it didn't have quite the effect he intended.
>Walpurgis has been a fixture here on alt.horror longer than almost
>anyone; surely you can overlook his occasional slights. Yes, he's held
>a grudge against you for a long time and he's essentially unmovable
>once he makes up his mind (as his response to my Criswell inquiry
>proves--although you seem to agree with him on that issue, as you have
>been equally unwilling to reveal the reason behind Criswell's abrupt
>exit), but so what?
ANS has no idea why Criswell is no longer here, that's why. If he did, he'd
be crowing about it, I'm sure. I'm not even sure that I know. I only know
what "someone" told me and I would be uncomfortable passing that information
along.
>
>I think you overreacted to the stalker charge. It seemed like flippant
>name calling to me (they've probably insinuated the same thing about
>me due to my continuing investigation into the mystery of Criswell's
>disappearance).
He overreacts to everything, that's why it's fun.
For you to post examples of *real* stalkers like Bardo
>wasn't necessary and probably did more harm than good. People aren't
>going to suddenly read Bardo's bio and think "Wow, ANS is right! His
>postings about Robert Lee come nowhere *close* to the sick twisted
>shit Bardo did!"
Seriously, it's like saying, "I'm not really a murderer, I only killed one
person! Look what Dahmer did!"
>Alt.horror exists, no matter how many people read it. And as long as
>it exists, it needs people who post interesting things about the topic
>it was created to discuss. Say what you will about Walpurgis, but
>there's no denying his continuing on topic contributions to this
>group. He's a bit arrogant but he's consistent.
Entertaining and knowledgable, too.
>
>A few words about the "published writer" who has contributed to this
>thread recently. I personally have never heard of him, and I'm someone
>who reads a lot. The fact is that lot of people are hurting right now,
>in lots of professions, fiction writers included. Do not gloat about
>you accomplishments, sir. Every once and a while you should ask
>yourself: "What would Stephen King do?" Would he dare people on Usenet
>to "hit the target" and so forth? I think not.
Willie has never spoken of his accomplishments here. We have done that for
him. And you would do yourself a favor if you got hold of Island Life and
check him out from there. I confess, I have not kept up. But I plan on
ordering more, since I have enjoyed his writing.
>I could go on, but the time has come to stop. No one is in the right
>here. Everyone should walk away. Just my two cents.
Oh, please, go on!
Ascmjk
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Lesmond, thanks for the kind words. As for my ego, well, when you
reach a certain age and aquire the maturity to accept that certain
dreams just aren't going to come true, you become less sensitive and
less egotistical.
Apologies to Willie for jumping the gun, as I confess I have not
researched his previous posts, I was only reacting to his responses to
ANS, which I felt were somewhat beneath what I'd expect from a
published writer -- an accomplishment anyone has the right to be proud
of.
I hope ANS will accept my advice in the spirit in which it was given,
from the heart. He's got the ball now.
Avoid normal situations.
> On Jan 8, 10:05??am, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> > williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 7, 5:48??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> > > <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> > > > williemeikle <meiklewill...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 6, 7:30??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> > > > > <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
[..]
> > > > > > ?? Meikle hasn't behaved in a very intelligent fashion at all in this group,
> > > > > > but screaming to the entire world that he's a hotshot writer who's approaching
> > > > > > a six-figure income
> > > > > ... that was just for the screenplays. You're the one using the word
> > > > > "hotshot
> > > > > ". I don't think I'm doing well enough and my target is much higher
> > > > > than that.
> >
> > > > ?? Whatever.
> >
> > > > > And you asked the question. Didn't you wan't an answer?
> >
> > > > ?? Of course I did. Give some people enough rope...
> > > And fuck all happens. Funny that, isn't it.
> >
> > ?? So, if you had unprotected sex with Dr. Walpurgis, and you were not
> > exhibiting any symptoms of opportunistic infections or tumors after four
> > whole days, would you automatically assume that you were not HIV-positive,
> > and that you couldn't possibly be?
> 6 days now... still no trouble. Must be one of those slow moving
> threats you were speaking about. I won't hold my breath.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dooce#.22Dooced.22
> > > > > Are you in the
> > > > > habit of asking strangers questions for which you don't require an
> > > > > answer? If so, I suggest some psychiatric help may be in order.
> >
> > > > ?? Hey, Meikle... I'm over here. Stop arguing with your sock.
> > > Are you sure you're sane?
> >
> > ?? FAQ #5.
> Still haven't read it.
Translation: "*sticks fingers in ears* La la la la la, I can't heeeeeear
youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!"
> > ?? So, what observation led you to make a sweeping generalization about
> > billions of total strangers?
> Nope, just led me to the conclusion that they're not reading this
> newsgroup. You're not very smart, are you?
God, I love this non sequitur. It's so stupid that I don't even have to
answer it.
--
alt.flame "and oh the irony!" Special Forces
Avoid normal situations.
> >> ? FAQ #5.
> >
> >Still haven't read it.
> Has anyone?
Well, you hope nobody's read it, anyway.
williemeikle
Lesmond
>
>Lesmond, thanks for the kind words. As for my ego, well, when you
>reach a certain age and aquire the maturity to accept that certain
>dreams just aren't going to come true, you become less sensitive and
>less egotistical.
I'll take your word for it, Grandpa.
>
>Apologies to Willie for jumping the gun, as I confess I have not
>researched his previous posts, I was only reacting to his responses to
>ANS, which I felt were somewhat beneath what I'd expect from a
>published writer -- an accomplishment anyone has the right to be proud
>of.
>
>I hope ANS will accept my advice in the spirit in which it was given,
>from the heart. He's got the ball now.
This should be amusing.
Avoid normal situations.
> On Jan 8, 10:21???am, "Lesmond" <lesm...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:02:03 -0800 (PST), williemeikle wrote:
> >
> > >> ??? FAQ #5.
> >
> > >Still haven't read it.
> >
> > Has anyone?
> I just got done looking at it. A few knee jerk observations. ANS says
> he's been posting since 1992; if true, that would make him one of
> alt.horror's oldest posters, and perhaps give him one of the longest-
> running posting histories on all of Usenet.
"If true"? Actually, you don't have to take my word for it.
> If he was reading and
> posting to Usenet in '92, he may have been fortunate enough to have
> communicated with some of alt.horror's founding fathers (some of which
> undoubtedly were still around in 92). That's a remarkable achievement
> for which he deserves some degree of esteem imo. He has a lot of
> knowledge.
Thank you.
> But, I want to keep this report fair and balanced (a policy which I'm
> sure ANS appreciates),
Indeed I do.
Actually, as I say right there in the FAQ, the last straw, for me, was
that "The Sisterhood of the Traveling Tampon" thing.
I assume you're being facetious about the "that bagel clerk is a bitch
because she was wearing an Islamic headdress" post, and the reaction to it.
To say that it is "unforgivable" and "shocks civilized humanity" would be
kind of an overstatement. *I* am a part of civilized humanity (yes, I'm one
of those eleven), and my reaction was basically, "Wow. What a fuckhead. This
is astonishingly lame even for him," which later turned to snickering as
various folks started gathering to demand his head on a post.
> This, combined with some other outrageous behavior, convinced ANS that
> Mr. Lee was beyond redemption. What troubles me is the mean-spirited
> nature of the strategy ANS claims to have gleefully adopted in order
> to facilitate Mr. Lee's demise. Let Mr. Lee destroy himself. ANS
> writes of this being a "golden opportunity" to witness such a dramatic
> example of self destruction, and he likens it to Nicholas Cage's slow
> suicide in "Leaving Las Vegas".
> Wow. Just because someone acts like a bigoted homophobic jerk,
Lee has many faults, but I am positive he is not a homophobe.
> we
> should view that as a "golden opportunity" to revel in sadistic
> voyeurism?
Dude, please avoid misusing the language. From Webster's New Twentieth
Century Dictionary, Unabridged:
voyeurism, n. a perversion in which sexual gratification is obtained by
looking at sexual objects or scenes.
I have laughed at Lee's blog many times, but I've never gotten an erection.
> I can only assume ANS has never had a substance abuse
> problem, or never loved anyone who has, otherwise he'd probably get
> less of a thrill out of watching someone destroy himself.
Actually, I *have* had people close to me get involved with drugs, and seen
the need for the drug take over their entire lives.
There was one friend I had known since childhood, Andy. He decided he
was a Communist. That in itself was bad enough, but he made this decision a
decade AFTER the Iron Curtain fell.
Now, please understand... when we were kids, Andy was so bright and witty,
and he was smarter and more talented than I was in many ways. As such, I was
not quick to start a fight with him, as I never am with a close friend.
However, as I watched over the years, there accumulated more and more evidence
that he had gone right off the rails. He became so active with the
International Socialist Organization that he decided it was time to start
advocating the overthrow of the United States government, and, in fact, he
started answering the phone with "Revolution," or, when Dubya started getting
hot and horny for Saddam, "Stop the war, start the revolution." Yet he had
never taken more than a handful of college courses, had often skipped out of
high school (I know, 'cause I was there), and really didn't know very much
about history or political theory. Once upon a time I asked him what he hoped
to accomplish with this revolution, and he replied, "Overthrow... everything."
Furthermore, his marijuana usage, which had been pretty light when we were
kids, advanced the point where he was basically smoking it like a chimney.
And of course, whenever the subject came up, he'd always launch right into,
"Marijuana isn't really addictive *draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag* and it's
not really bad for you at all *draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag* and it's not as
bad as tobacco anyway *draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag* and the only reason
it's illegal at all is because of all those evil corporations who sell lumber
and alcohol *draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag*," et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
These two lifestyle changes of his were more or less concurrent. Methinks
they are not coincidental. For you see, none of this crap really makes any
sense if you really are an activist and a revolutionary dedicated to justice
and human rights, but it does make sense if you're into pot in a serious way,
and need to establish and maintain a large network of connections. I have
lived in California since I was two, and I assure you that no one will kick
you down any marijuana for talking about what a great job Charlton Heston did
for the NRA. I would also like to point out that the safest way to conform,
paradoxically, is to be more extreme than the next guy about the belief/
attitude that has united the members of a particular group.
Which reminds me -- this is just the excuse I needed to link one of the
articles of the "in group"'s discussion of me on alt.horror.lounge when they
thought I wasn't looking:
I love how Simon affects that pose of righteous indignation so as to keep
people from realizing that the sole real reason he shuns me is because all
his friends are doing it.
Upon closer examination, one finds that he wasn't always obviously wrong
("He's a troll!"). Before that, he was ridiculously wrong ("He's spamming
the group with a large collection of spambots! All those stupid ads are HIS
FAULT!").
It really is sad (or hilarious, depending on your perspective) how desperate
some people will get for a support group. There comes a point when you deal
with these types where, if you really are a smart, enlightened individual, all
"empathy" breaks down, and you start laughing and throwing rocks at them.
Which leads us back to my ex-friend Andy.
Anyway... one day I just couldn't stand it anymore, and I wrote him a
14-page letter in which I totally shredded his entire social, political,
and economic philosophy, and at the end dared him to defend it. Basically,
it was a flame followed by an ultimatum: "I offer you the following choice:
"(a) Discuss exactly why a Second American Revolution is necessary, and
why the reforms instituted thereafter *will* work, and will be worth the
enormous human and financial cost that revolutions always incur. Cite
liberally, I will read it all. This will be easy for you, because you've
been involved for years, because you have the entire Rebel Alliance to help
you do your homework, and because you're right. Right?
"(b) Admit that you were wrong and turn a new leaf accordingly. If all your
'brothers' at the ISO turn on you, fuck them; I'm your real friend, and they
never were.
"Choose either (a) or (b), or (c) I will never take anything you say about
anything political even remotely seriously ever again. I probably won't talk
to you for *any* reason ever again; I can be friends with a man who has
problems, but I don't wish to be and in fact really can't with somebody who
sold his mind long ago for a warm, comforting belief system and a support
group."
He ran away.
IOW, even though he had never before forgotten my birthday or to send me at
least a Christmas card during the holidays, I never heard from him ever again.
I had never before seen him back off from any fight, physical or intellectual,
before. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my entire
life.
Just goes to show that, no matter how advanced pharmacology becomes, there
is still a case for euthanasia.
I've never had much sympathy for people with drug issues. For one thing,
I've never even tried *tobacco*, much less anything illicit. For another,
it's not like it's a state secret that drugs are bad for you. (In fact, I
laughed through much of _Requiem for a Dream_.) Nowadays I have even less.
There comes a point where failure to hold people responsible for their actions
when they act like dips stops looking like compassion and more like moral
cowardice.
Besides, it's not like you're "letting" people destroy themselves, whether
it's Robert Lee, or some other hapless twit. My experience is that they
absolutely insist upon doing so. You can try, but people never change...
and if they do, they sure as hell aren't going to change for *you*.
> Sadism
> between two consentual adults is perectly fine, and there's nothing
> wrong about getting a sexual thrill from spanking someone (assuming
> they like to be spanked), but this isn't behind closed doors. If
> watching someone else suffer gives you a sexual thrill (or *any* kind
> of thrill), at least admit it, because if you can't do that it says
> something rather profound about your character.
> Hiding behind the cloak of legality and morality has contributed to
> much suffering throughout human history. The crusaders found it easy
> to recruit wannabe knights by saying "to kill an infidel is not a sin!
> It is the will of God!" In other words, we're giving you the right to
> engage in sadistic murder and not get into trouble because the
> infidels *deserve* it!
Boy oh boy is *that* a false equivalency... to go there from reading some
loser's blog just to watch justice take its course.
Besides, having this sort of attitude towards the morally bankrupt and
the stupid is a lot better than despair. It's what Freud called a "defense
mechanism".
> As mentioned above, this is my initial knee jerk response to what I
> read. I could be wrong. But ANS, perhaps your renewed assault upon the
> existence of Mr. Lee was misguided. Even if Walpurgis was the one who
> brought him up again. The man had been driven to destroy his own blog,
> and as you mentioned, he went into hiding and stayed there for a long
> time. He had already been humbled.
> "To kick a man when he's down is to attack at the person's weakest
> moment. It defies the gentlemanly code of ethics and does detract from
> reputation," to quote from the urbandictionary.
I respectfully disagree. At the time you mentioned, he wasn't repentant.
He was busy trying to trick everyone reading his blog into thinking that he
had shut down his blog because he had some kind of Mr. Stranger Danger
stalking him.
> Having said all of the preceding I should also say that I tend to
> enjoy reading your posts, especially those in which you discuss what
> alt.horror was formed to discuss. You have a lot of knowledge.
Thank you.
> But
> this flame thing, I say let it burn itself out without contributing to
> it anymore. Even if you manage to "win" it will be a hollow victory.
Again, I respectfully disagree. This man doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
:-)
More seriously... I've already promised everyone that I'll remove the
designated targets from this newsgroup. This is an inevitability, as I am...
well... to be perfectly immodest about it, the best flamer on all Usenet, and
very possibly the Internet at large. No one else has a track record that's
anywhere nearly as good as mine. The only way this flamewar will end any other
way will be if somebody else has them assassinated before I finish getting rid
of them in a more civilized way.
If I stand down, that will only encourage them to make more trouble. I will
not stand idly by while a bunch of forty-year-old little boys continue to
screw up one of my favorite newsgroups.
> Walpurgis has been a fixture here on alt.horror longer than almost
> anyone; surely you can overlook his occasional slights.
He won't overlook my virtues, sir.
> Yes, he's held
> a grudge against you for a long time and he's essentially unmovable
If you are so kind as to sit and watch, you will witness me move him. :-)
It will be a pure spank, sir, a spank of images... one which must be seen
without any reflection.
> once he makes up his mind (as his response to my Criswell inquiry
> proves--although you seem to agree with him on that issue, as you have
> been equally unwilling to reveal the reason behind Criswell's abrupt
> exit),
Actually, I just don't know what happened to him.
> but so what?
> I think you overreacted to the stalker charge.
I didn't fire on anyone who didn't fire on me first.
> It seemed like flippant
> name calling to me (they've probably insinuated the same thing about
> me due to my continuing investigation into the mystery of Criswell's
> disappearance). For you to post examples of *real* stalkers like Bardo
> wasn't necessary and probably did more harm than good. People aren't
> going to suddenly read Bardo's bio and think "Wow, ANS is right! His
> postings about Robert Lee come nowhere *close* to the sick twisted
> shit Bardo did!" It doesn't matter if technically you are correct (and
> technically, you are; Bardo was a stalker and you are not), what
> matters is what people will think about the fact that you are taking
> such a flippant insult so seriously.
Actually, I never took it seriously. In fact, the idea that I am a stalker
has been a running joke on alt.flame now for years.
*They're* the ones who take it seriously. As I state in the FAQ, they're
throwing anything and everything at me and praying that it sticks, because
newsgroup "scene" status is so important to them.
> Surely you see the logic in what
> I am saying. If you provide the world with evidence of a thin skin,
> get ready to duck.
> Not that you have a thin skin. Indeed, anyone who has posted to Usenet
> as long as you clearly has been involved in enough flame wars to know
> what it feels like to get burned. You're a veteran.
Thank you.
> But even veterans
> start to lose it eventually.
*shrug* I suppose I ought to retire from alt.flame one of these days before
I start getting old and losing my marbles. That's still decades away, but
still.
What age would be appropriate, I wonder? 65? 70?
> Alt.horror exists, no matter how many people read it. And as long as
> it exists, it needs people who post interesting things about the topic
> it was created to discuss. Say what you will about Walpurgis, but
> there's no denying his continuing on topic contributions to this
> group. He's a bit arrogant but he's consistent.
Walpurgis's crap is *worse* than off-topic posts.
Back before he completely lost his shit, Robert Lee really put his finger
on exactly what's wrong with "Dr. Walpurgis" (it's not enough, in his sad
deluded little mind, you see, for him to be "Walpurgis"; like so many losers,
he craves status like a man in hell would crave ice water) and his pals in
the following post. There are a number of most entertaining posts in which
Lee completely kicked his ass, but this is my favorite:
How many human beings have you known who were so unspeakably lame that they
made another man publically despair for the future of mankind?
You see... Lee is not educated, so the gradual revelation that, yes, there
really are people in the world as stupid and as worthless as Walpurgis
disturbed him greatly, as you can see. I OTOH have known perfectly well what
a waste of flesh most human beings are from an early age, so I was hardly
even surprised.
> A few words about the "published writer" who has contributed to this
> thread recently. I personally have never heard of him, and I'm someone
> who reads a lot. The fact is that lot of people are hurting right now,
> in lots of professions, fiction writers included. Do not gloat about
> you accomplishments, sir. Every once and a while you should ask
> yourself: "What would Stephen King do?" Would he dare people on Usenet
> to "hit the target" and so forth? I think not.
> I could go on, but the time has come to stop. No one is in the right
> here. Everyone should walk away. Just my two cents.
I maintain that, if these people are allowed to continue to reside here,
they will continue to damage the newsgroup. They will continue to trumpet
their childishness, ignorance, and absolutely miserable canon of horror
films as though it was all holy writ, and they will continue to ratpack
those relatively few enlightened souls who actually know better. They've
chased and/or bored away too many of the plank members of the group as it
is... and, of course, let's not forget all the racist threads, and Walp's
little favorite "all women secretly want to be raped" theory.
Occasionally somebody tries to tell me the "they're all just taking the
piss" excuse for them. I thought that at first myself, but there's been way
too much smoke here for it not to be fire. For years.
Hell, enough of this crap piles up, and people will begin to think that
*all* of us horror fans are like that. That just won't do. All flaming, after
all, is about communication... and far too many people think I'm a gorehound
just for loving horror films as it is.
Avoid normal situations.
[..]
> For once in my life, I must top post, please bear with me.
It's not actually top-posting if you have just a preface to a properly
edited post above the main body of the article.
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:41:58 -0800 (PST), Ascmjk wrote:
> >This, combined with some other outrageous behavior, convinced ANS that
> >Mr. Lee was beyond redemption. What troubles me is the mean-spirited
> >nature of the strategy ANS claims to have gleefully adopted in order
> >to facilitate Mr. Lee's demise. Let Mr. Lee destroy himself. ANS
> >writes of this being a "golden opportunity" to witness such a dramatic
> >example of self destruction, and he likens it to Nicholas Cage's slow
> >suicide in "Leaving Las Vegas".
> >
> >Wow. Just because someone acts like a bigoted homophobic jerk, we
> >should view that as a "golden opportunity" to revel in sadistic
> >voyeurism? I can only assume ANS has never had a substance abuse
> >problem, or never loved anyone who has, otherwise he'd probably get
> >less of a thrill out of watching someone destroy himself. Sadism
> >between two consentual adults is perectly fine, and there's nothing
> >wrong about getting a sexual thrill from spanking someone (assuming
> >they like to be spanked), but this isn't behind closed doors. If
> >watching someone else suffer gives you a sexual thrill (or *any* kind
> >of thrill), at least admit it, because if you can't do that it says
> >something rather profound about your character.
> Those were a beautiful two paragraphs.
Do you have a dictionary anywhere in your home? A real one?
> >Hiding behind the cloak of legality and morality has contributed to
> >much suffering throughout human history. The crusaders found it easy
> >to recruit wannabe knights by saying "to kill an infidel is not a sin!
> >It is the will of God!" In other words, we're giving you the right to
> >engage in sadistic murder and not get into trouble because the
> >infidels *deserve* it!
> >
> >As mentioned above, this is my initial knee jerk response to what I
> >read. I could be wrong. But ANS, perhaps your renewed assault upon the
> >existence of Mr. Lee was misguided. Even if Walpurgis was the one who
> >brought him up again. The man had been driven to destroy his own blog,
> >and as you mentioned, he went into hiding and stayed there for a long
> >time. He had already been humbled.
> >
> >"To kick a man when he's down is to attack at the person's weakest
> >moment. It defies the gentlemanly code of ethics and does detract from
> >reputation," to quote from the urbandictionary.
> But I believe ANS will tell you it's the code of alt.flame to do so, when
> given the opportunity.
Wrong.
> >Having said all of the preceding I should also say that I tend to
> >enjoy reading your posts, especially those in which you discuss what
> >alt.horror was formed to discuss. You have a lot of knowledge. But
> >this flame thing, I say let it burn itself out without contributing to
> >it anymore. Even if you manage to "win" it will be a hollow victory.
> There was never a flame war until ANS started it.
Crap.
> He objected to some folks
> here who disagreed with him and started crossposting to alt.flame.
Crap.
> He still
> doesn't understand that it's a big joke.
Crap.
> And I have to admit I find it quite amusing that he has finally gotten
> someone to read his FAQ and it didn't have quite the effect he intended.
OK, I'll bite. What *do* you think the intended effect of the FAQ is?
> >I think you overreacted to the stalker charge. It seemed like flippant
> >name calling to me (they've probably insinuated the same thing about
> >me due to my continuing investigation into the mystery of Criswell's
> >disappearance).
> He overreacts to everything, that's why it's fun.
Oh?
> For you to post examples of *real* stalkers like Bardo
> >wasn't necessary and probably did more harm than good. People aren't
> >going to suddenly read Bardo's bio and think "Wow, ANS is right! His
> >postings about Robert Lee come nowhere *close* to the sick twisted
> >shit Bardo did!"
> Seriously, it's like saying, "I'm not really a murderer, I only killed one
> person! Look what Dahmer did!"
Seriously, crap. Good luck trying to explain why reading some fuckhead's
blog without his permission is tantamount to murder, or even remotely morally
wrong.
> >Alt.horror exists, no matter how many people read it. And as long as
> >it exists, it needs people who post interesting things about the topic
> >it was created to discuss. Say what you will about Walpurgis, but
> >there's no denying his continuing on topic contributions to this
> >group. He's a bit arrogant but he's consistent.
> Entertaining and knowledgable, too.
As I've said previously, you really are desperate to have any kind of peer
group. Everybody *outside* of alt.horror thinks that Walpurgis, you, and all
your playmates here are loons. That is why alt.flame suddenly went from having
about ten posts a day to everybody standing in line to kick your ass after you
were stupid enough to start crossposting to alt.flame.
Avoid normal situations.
> On Jan 9, 12:31??pm, "Avoid normal situations."
> <byend.removethisbityousillyper...@eskimo.com> wrote:
[..]
> > > > ?? FAQ #5.
> > > Still haven't read it.
> >
> > ?? Translation: "*sticks fingers in ears* La la la la la, I can't heeeeeear
> > youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!"
> >
> > > > ?? So, what observation led you to make a sweeping generalization about
> > > > billions of total strangers?
> > > Nope, just led me to the conclusion that they're not reading this
> > > newsgroup. You're not very smart, are you?
> >
> > ?? God, I love this non sequitur. It's so stupid that I don't even have to
> > answer it.
> Translation: "*sticks fingers in ears* La la la la la, I can't
> heeeeeear
> youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
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Lesmond
That is why alt.flame suddenly went from having
>about ten posts a day to everybody standing in line to kick your ass after you
>were stupid enough to start crossposting to alt.flame.
You were the one who started the crossposts, remember?
ReVulse
> Everybody *outside* of alt.horror thinks that Walpurgis, you, and
> all your playmates here are loons.
Please provide proof to back up that statement.
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http://www.last.fm/user/revulse_1968/
"all your glad-handing is going to be wasted effort
as soon as I drive ReVulse and the others permanently
off alt.horror." - Avoid Normal Situations (7th May 2009)