Real Life Definition of Cult Member, here 'Scientology' "'Sea Org' member" - Providing the Demon (here the rapist-ghoul l. ron hubbard) with Life Energy - {HRI note 20090914-V2.0} - (encl. {HRI draft 20090822-V1.4} 'Real Life Definitions ... ')

[Leonardo Been (Plato)]

Real Life Definition of Cult Member, here 'Scientology' "'Sea Org'
member"

14 September 2009
{HRI note 20090914-V2.0}

(Version 2.0
on 15 Sept 2009)

(suits foreign
language readers)

(NOT suitable
for sociopaths)

'

This applies to any cult member, including communist-fascist
cults of worship of a "leader"

- a "leader" who is always a most severe sociopath, and
"charismatic" (meaning, a Life Energy Vampire), as also
in this case.

'

Real Life Definition of 'Scientology' "'Sea Org' member" (cult member)
is then:

Someone who is to support and provide Demon (here the deceased,
rapist-ghoul, l. ron hubbard) with Life Energy.

Demons (in the deceased form they are also called ghouls,
acting and doing their vampiring)

(these individuals) can work and act ONLY with some
serious effect - so it does seem to appear - when,
and to the extent that they have the means of

being provided BY OTHERS with Life Energy (the "providing"
being done by inflicting hypnosis, by deception, and by
plain Life Energetic (mental) force, vampiring on and
raping the various Life Energies of others,

both when the victims (you) are awake, and during
victims' sleep).

'

_______________
I wrote earlier:

Far Beyond '1984': Real Life Definitions, Versus Dictionary - ,
Versus Medical - , Versus 'Dianetics-Scientology' "Definitions:"
Example 'Engram'

22 August 2009
{HRI draft 20090822-V1.4}

(Version 1.4
on 25 Aug 2009)

'

Far Beyond '1984,' refers to the 'politics by re-definition of words
for the public,' as in the famous book '1984' by George Orwell.

The opposite is: Real Life Definitions.

Real Life Definitions as opposed to Dictionary definitions, and

more narrowly in this example, Real Life Definitions opposing
Medical Definitions,

and more narrowly still, Real Life Definitions opposing
'Dianetics-Scientology' "Definitions,"

with the Example of 'Engram'

(claimed to be 'a moment of Pain and Unconsciousness, plus any
feeling or idea, or phrase uttered, or decision made, at such a
moment').

'

'

So, here we go, and jump into the icy-cold water [with the draft
version, and this Version 1.4 is only slightly formated]:

'

'

When l. ron hubbard or another Evil creature inflicts the Harmful Life
Energy Particles at your soul or your body, that cause you or your
body to feel Pain and to experience Unconsciousness, or headaches or
suicidal ideas or mean thoughts or unpleasant feelings or compulsions:

'

SPECIAL USE

1. then - according to l. ron hubbard (Dianetics-Scientology) this
"means," that "it is not being inflicted NOW," but "in the past,"

and "in the past on your body and as physical harm of your
body,"

which "created an engraving on your mind," "an Engram,"

and "THE ENGRAM causes you NOW to feel whatever you feel" but "it is
really not inflicted now at all,"

and "Harmful Life Energies do not exist, and any Life Energies at all,
do not exist,"

and you are a soul "BUT a soul without any Energy, without any
location," according to HIS (written) "definition" of soul, of
you, that is,

so that you can not claim - or must be prevented from
remembering - that you DO have and had a location, also
as a soul,

for instance captive at times, by him or others of
equal - but for you entirely unimaginable - Evil,

you as a SOUL being held captive (which is of course
within a very definite and often in a dark location)

and, so that you can not claim, or must be prevented from
remembering, that he or other Evil "scientists" extracted
your Energy of Beauty and Awareness from your soul, and
impelled their Energies of Ugliness and Hate and of
blocked connection, of Blindness, onto YOUR or another's
captive soul,

but you are far, far, too Insane,** to even consider such highly
relevant, superbly vital data:

"It all 'does not exist,' because 'you live In The Present',"
you are demanded to be UNAWARE, *(1)

and thus you are as crazy as a bat, going to a licensed
medical quack and charlatan, to take pills 'against
splitting headaches' INSTEAD OF LOOKING where the Pain
Energy comes from, and who inflicts it,

which does - recognizing the source truthfully -
INSTANTLY END the condition, and thus the Pain,

but according to those who inflict such Energies, "it is
all in the past (felt from past accidents etc.),"

and what you experience now, "is NOT inflicted NOW by l. ron hubbard
or by any another Evil creature."

And so also, "there are NO Evil spirits hiding under your bed or
in your cupboard," but "it is all in your past."

A vicious lie, that happened to destroy my youthful
happiness and poise, to quite some extent, by the way.

And "in any case, 'time heals'" - "just become unaware of the
past," unaware of who you are, and unaware of who others are:

"Live in the Present!" *(1)

'

And thus he claims indeed, with Eckhart Tolle, another best-selling
demonic creature, that "you must be 'In The Present'," *(1)

and that is supposed to make you "not affected by the past,"

much like an ostrich is "not affected by anything
hitting him or her from behind," as long as he,
or she as the case might be too, of course, when he
or she keeps his, respectively her, own head - or
its head, if you like or insist - in the sand.

"You must observe the present, WITHOUT at the same time
observing the past" - which is a physical impossibility
in Fine Particle Physics, because everything carries with
it its full information.

And indeed the 'blotting out the past,' can only be
'achieved,' by making yourself very Blind indeed (and by
demanding others to do the same ...lest any others would
remind you of what IS there, of what IS going on, in
actuality).

'Being Aware Of - ' you can define as 'having your
attention actively on - ,' and 'Being Conscious
Of - ' you can then define as 'knowing that it
exists, even when you are not actively having your
attention on it.'
{definition}

ALL they mean is, that Evil Creatures, like l. ron hubbard, "DO
NOT EXIST" and "DO NOT INFLICT THE HARMFUL ENERGIES that cause
your ailment or crazy compulsion or 'panic attacks' or strange
feelings or Blindness to things, or headaches or loss of
memory," but

"it is all in your own mind - and then what you feel, is 'actually' in
your past:"

"Nobody is hitting you with Harmful Energy NOW, or vampiring on your,
or your body's Life Energy, NOW, and also not during your sleep."

That is the ACTUAL, real life definition of the 'Dianetics' or
'Scientology' term 'Engram,'

as used and promoted by l. ron hubbard and his "well-meaning"
'Scientologists.'

'

'

When l. ron hubbard or another Evil creature inflicts the Harmful Life
Energy Particles (H-LEPs) onto your soul or your body, that cause you
or your body to feel pains and to experience unconsciousness, or
headaches or suicidal ideas or mean thoughts or unpleasant feelings
or 'panic attacks' or compulsions, muscle spasms even:

'

' MEDICAL USE

2. then - according to the licensed Medical Profession - this is
"caused by your body, by some malfunctioning in your body, in
particular in your brain,"

and which thus "could or should be treated by drugs,"

because that is the easiest and fastest and most secure
way to provide income for the Medical Trade.

I repeat:

BECAUSE THAT IS THE EASIEST AND FASTEST AND MOST SECURE
WAY TO PROVIDE INCOME FOR THE MEDICAL TRADE.

'

But HOW that "bodily malfunction"

- which it is NOT, but bodily malfunction may come to manifest
as a RESULT of the Harmful Energies inflicted -

(and indeed, how that bodily malfunction)

is then caused in the first place, is not looked at by the licensed
Medical Profession,

but they may assign all kind of - indeed the most Insane** -
"reasons," when they are pressed to name these or to find
'unknown causes.'

'

In other words, as in the 'Scientology-Dianetics' Definition
above:

When l. ron hubbard or another Evil creature inflicts the Harmful Life
Energy Particles (H-LEPs) at your soul or your body, which cause you
or your body to feel pain and to experience unconsciousness, or
headaches or suicidal ideas or mean thoughts or unpleasant feelings
or compulsions,

then "THESE DO NOT EXIST," but "IT IS ALL CAUSED BY YOUR BODY"
(your body, including of course any viruses and bacteria etc. in it).

'

'

'

However, you first have to look at real life, in order to find the
ACTUAL definition of words, before you can indulge in whatever
meaning of a word or term or phrase SOMEONE WANTS YOU TO HAVE and
WANTS YOU TO THINK "is the definition,"

of 'Democracy,' for instance, or of 'Communism' - or of 'God,'
for that matter.

We do however NOT intimate that simple understanding to (we do NOT
tell this to) the journalists (except to Karl Geibel),

because if we would, then - with actual journalism that intends
you to know and to understand what IS going on -

(then) we would actually establish peace and prosperity for all,
on Earth - AND "WE DO NOT WANT THAT, NOW, DO WE..."

'

'

The 'Dianetics or Scientology' Definition of 'Engram' - of course in
actual life, its Real Life Definition - is:

When l. ron hubbard or another Evil creature inflicts the Harmful Life
Energy Particles at your soul or your body

- that cause you or your body to feel pain and to experience
unconsciousness, or headaches or suicidal ideas or mean
thoughts or unpleasant feelings or compulsions -

then "THAT IS NOT SO, it is not happening, BUT IT IS IN YOUR PAST,
it is something that came up from your past,"

and "you must buy (past-life-)regression therapy AS DETERMINED BY
l. ron hubbard," meaning: "You MUST submit to believing all he says
and writes, and you MUST comply with all that he demands and that
his believers demand, and you MUST accept him and only him"

- the demonic satanic creature(!) last known as l. ron hubbard -

"as the Source of Sanity;"

and if you really comply with that hypnosis, then you, being
an immortal soul, "must do the bidding of demon l. ron hubbard
at least for the next billion years" - no kidding!

That is the ACTUAL, Real Life Definition of the 'Dianetics or
Scientology' term 'Engram' as used and promoted by l. ron hubbard
and by his "well-meaning" 'Scientologists,' and by his book
'Dianetics.'

'

'

'

Again:

You first have to look at real life, in order to find the ACTUAL
definition of a word, in this example the medical term 'Engram,'
BEFORE you can indulge in whatever dictionary meaning of a word
or term or phrase SOMEONE WANTS YOU TO HAVE and WANTS YOU TO
THINK "is the definition"

- also the "Definition" of 'Democracy' for instance, or of
'Communism,' in a dictionary of politics or dictionary of
economics,

or the "Definition" of 'God' in the Bible or in the Koran
(Quran) or in the Talmud.

Again: You first have to look at real life, in order to find
the ACTUAL definition of a word.

'

Definitions of any term or phrase should first be taken from their
real, actual-life meaning, rather than the meaning someone INTENDS
you to have of it.

Destructive Cowards OPPOSE looking at life, and they oppose - as do
their masters, Criminal Minds (also oppose) - others looking at life,

so they REVERSE it, as "what does the user of the word SAY or WRITE
'it means',"

and so these write the commonly known school history books, or
encyclopedic or 'wikipedic' articles, and they write the common,
standard newspaper articles, with "definitions" of what socialism or
communism or democracy or government "is," and what supposedly "is"
intended,

"defined" according to Chavez or Marx or Castro or Putin or
Kim Jung Il or Mao Zedong or Hu Jintao or Bonaparte or
Machiavelli,

or Henry Kissinger, or "non-political" singers, such as
Barbara Streisand, Neil Young, and Bruce Springsteen,

what THESE tell you, and want you to 'understand,' that the
"meaning" of 'socialism or communism or democracy,' yes, "of
'government' itself, is:"

they tell you 'the meaning' of those terms, as these are defined in
dictionaries, but IN REAL LIFE they mean quite the opposite of those
dictionary definitions.

'

'

You find the same situation in the licensed Medical Trade:

They give you the meaning of the Hippocratic Oath, but when you
look at real life, then IT MEANS and DEMANDS, in real life,
"Do not look at Evil,"

which happens however to be the cause of all illness.

It says (as I explained elsewhere):***

"We, medical professionals, are forbidden from looking at Evil,
and at the soul of people being good or evil," and further,

it demands, in real life: "Do not look at the actual, Life
Energetic Structure and Functioning of the body, else you would
find and remedy the condition of the body that causes its
malfunctioning," and further

it means and demands in real life: "Make people NOT look at our
profession, but impress upon them, that 'we are always having
the best in mind for them, and use the highest knowledge and
best methods available to us',"

in other words, "The Hippocratic Oath is there to maintain and
protect our professional trade and so to secure our status and
future income for ourselves, if necessary at the expense of our
patients."

'

'

So first you have to look at real life, in order to find the ACTUAL
definition of a word or term.

"What do THEY actually mean," when they SAY 'school, or education
or college or university'

- as quite different from the meaning, that you find the
dictionary or the law or any textbooks or journalists or
teachers give.

'

You can imagine the simple fact, that Ugliness and Hate are enemies of
Truth, and so it is, that

their opposites, Beauty and Love - making up the Joy of Life itself -

and of course not fake, not stolen, but true Beauty and of
course not fake, not false, but true Love,

are necessary and vital ingredients for achieving and for maintaining
actual, real-life Truth.

Koos Nolst Trenite 'Cause Trinity'
human rights philosopher and poet

'Solomon's wisdom was greater
than the wisdom of
all the men of the East,
and greater
than all the wisdom of Egypt.'

1 Kings 4:30

_______________
I wrote earlier:

Re: "Critics" ... DENYING both Life Energy AND Demonic Individuals
- like l. ron hubbard, and themselves - to exist

'So, what attacks did and does the demon l. ron hubbard inflict
on you, and on your body?

Clue:

Medical doctors are BY DEFINITION - by their "education," by
their "science" - harmfully* psychotic* and Insane,** and
malicious* by omission.* '

in alt.gossip.celebrities, misc.health.alternative (etc.)
on Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:18:35 +0200
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/msg/1bd62e3b9e8de1ac
'

_________
Footnotes:

* 'The INTENSE Evil of Licensed Medical Quack "Science" - Kurt
Cobain, Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson'
{HRI note 20090720-V1.1}
(20 July 2009 - Version 1.1 on 22 July 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/44bcd978fccc347e

(The series 'License Medical' {HRI 20021209-V3.1-q1..q5}):

'How to read the License of Medical Doctors, Part I -
Are ALL Licensed Medical Doctors Criminal? No!'
{HRI 20021209-V3.1-q1} (Quote from HRI 20021209-V3.1)
(7 February 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/afe57937b73121de
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/ec75ccee2e34a304
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education/msg/ec75ccee2e34a304

'How to read the License of Medical Doctors, Part II -
Medical Doctors Can Seriously Damage Your Health'
{HRI 20021209-V3.1-q2} (Quote from HRI 20021209-V3.1)
(8 February 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/775ee6d242f968ce
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/c88214dabda6d7fe

'How to read the License of Medical Doctors, Part III -
Stay Away From Medical Doctors ...UNLESS You Know About Them'
{HRI 20021209-V3.1-q3} (Quote from HRI 20021209-V3.1)
(9 February 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/12bfd20d19196e11
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/3f49b295e2c0f50f

'How to read the License of Medical Doctors, Part IV -
The Licensed Medical Doctors ARE The Dangerous Quacks,
and Charlatans All'
{HRI 20021209-V3.1-q4} (Quote from HRI 20021209-V3.1)
(10 February 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/04006a8681abc39d
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/019140cb8089d6c2

'The 'Dead End Street' of Medical "Science" -
A Bottomless Money Drain: The Licensed Medical Trade - Medical
Research, Charities, Foundations, Universities And Hospitals
CONTEMPT Of Your Suffering And Of Mankind'
{HRI 20021209-V3.1-q5-V1.0.1} (Quote from HRI 20021209-V3.1)
(13 February 2006 - Version 1.0.1 on 20 Feb 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/25fb3378ca8ce9dc

** 'Definition Of Insane - Relation To Humor' (DOI)
{HRI 20030205-V2.4}
(5 Feb 2003 - Version 2.4 on 1 July 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/020f0c2e172dab3d

*** 'Those Medical Doctors... The First Hippocratic Axiom'
{HRI 20021209-3.1-pi-20051117} (part issue on 17 Nov 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/4d5a9a8c4b0aacd6

(1) 'Living In The Present - Definition' (LIP)
{HRI 20030102-V3.1.2}
(2 Jan 2003 - Version 3.1.2 on 5 Nov 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/14090cac4409f5c4

'

__________
References:

'Independent, Objective Definition of Evil'
{HRI 20090810-V1.1}
(10 August 2009 - Version 1.1 also on 10 Aug 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/fdf29a62f5840d96

'l. ron hubbard far more Forcefully, Intelligently Evil, than
his Executor David Miscavige'
{HRI note 20090804-V2.0}
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/msg/004874b3ba694f8c

'"Critics" HIDE the Evil Energy Inflictions of l. ron hubbard and
thus of 'Scientologists' too, by DENYING both Life Energy AND
Demonic Individuals - like l. ron hubbard, and themselves - to
exist' (incl. {HRI 20080918-V1.5.1} )
{HRI note 20090726-V2.0}
(26 July 2009 - Version 2.0 on 19 Aug 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/msg/b1b2daf625781fa3

'Brute Force Of Hypnotism in Politics - The Rights of Chavez,
Ortega, Correa, Zelaya, but also Hitler, and other
"democratically elected" Criminal Minds'
{HRI 20090724-V3.0}
(24 July 2009 - Version 3.0 on 5 Aug 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/db9f456a1a8536bf

'The INTENSE Evil of Licensed Medical Quack "Science" - Kurt
Cobain, Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson'
{HRI note 20090720-V1.1}
(20 July 2009 - Version 1.1 on 22 July 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/44bcd978fccc347e

____________
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who passes it on unaltered, and with this message included,
to others who might be able to learn from it (but not to sociopaths
specifically, because these vehemently oppose any true knowledge
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None of my writings may be used, ever, to support any political
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[Leonardo Been (Plato)]

Real Life Definition of Cult Member, here 'Scientology' "'Sea Org'
member"

14 September 2009
{HRI note 20090914-V2.1}

(Version 2.1
on 17 Sept 2009)

(suits foreign
language readers)

(NOT suitable
for sociopaths)

'

This applies to any cult member, including communist-fascist

cults that live to worship a "leader"

- a "leader" who is always a most severe sociopath, and

"charismatic," meaning, a Life Energy Vampire (as is
also the case in this example).

'

Real Life Definition of 'Scientology' "'Sea Org' member" (cult member)
is then:

Someone who is to support and provide the Demon (here the

deceased, rapist-ghoul, l. ron hubbard) with Life Energy.

Demons (in the deceased form they are also called ghouls,

acting and doing their Life Energy Vampiring)

(these individuals, Demons by the nature or their
soul and intentions) can work and act - so it does
seem to appear - ONLY to some serious extent when,

and to the extent that they have the means of

being provided BY OTHERS with Life Energy (making others
give up or let go of, or provide Life Energy TO THEM)

those of demonic nature inflicting hypnosis and
intense deception and projecting plain, Harmful
Life Energetic (mental) force,

intense mental violence, in other words, and that

both when the victims (you) are awake, and while
the victims are asleep,

Thus these are vampiring and raping people (you) of
various types of Life Energies

- Energy to perceive with and to keep your own
understanding and viewpoint, and to think with,
which you are then very obviously lacking,

including the Energy for knowing THAT and WHAT you
are lacking.

Such is the nature of Evil - "Normal," every-day Evil...

Evil as defined in {HRI 20090810-V1.1.2}
'Independent, Objective Definition of Evil' *(2)

'

_________________________________
About the subject I wrote earlier:

'

'

'

'

'

'

SPECIAL USE

'

'

'

'

' MEDICAL USE

I repeat:

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

'

Again:

'

'

'

'

'

'

1 Kings 4:30

_______________
I wrote earlier:

Clue:

_________
Footnotes:

(2) 'Independent, Objective Definition of Evil'
{HRI 20090810-V1.1.2}
(10 August 2009 - Version 1.1.2 also on 11 Aug 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/msg/23393a4e6cd078c9

[Evergreen]

Leonardo Been (Plato) <plato...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Real Life Definition of Cult Member, here 'Scientology' "'Sea Org'
> member"
>
> 14 September 2009

I guess this fellow doesn't believe in religiuos freedom.

Too bad.

[delete]

Sid

--
Sidney Lambe
Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magician
http://tinyurl.com/7vs9zb
usenet4444 (at) gmail (dot) com
> {HRI note 20090914-V2.1}

[Happy Oyster]

On 17 Sep 2009 19:27:12 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>I guess this fellow doesn't believe in religiuos freedom.

Religion is not freedom, it is slavery and abuse.

>Sidney Lambe
>Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magician

Looks like a case of fraud, I guess.
--
POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

[Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.]

Evergreen wrote:
> Leonardo Been (Plato) <plato...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Real Life Definition of Cult Member, here 'Scientology' "'Sea Org'
>> member"
>>
>> 14 September 2009
>
>
> I guess this fellow doesn't believe in religiuos freedom.
>
> Too bad.
>

Any you do? your motor mouth null content verbiage assaults on every
religious sentiment expressed here would tend to suggest you are not
only a very poor writer "religiuos" [sic] but the biggest hypocrite to
come this way in a long time.

I have noticed a diminution in your posting frequency, apparently you
tire and bore even yourself.

Have a nice day:)

--

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky/files/sf_anthem.mp3

[Evergreen]

Happy Oyster <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2009 19:27:12 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I guess this fellow doesn't believe in religiuos freedom.
>
> Religion is not freedom, it is slavery and abuse.

Except for _your_ religion, of course, which,
like all religious fanatics, you consider to be fact.

Let me guess: You are one these nutcases who believes that
the only they exist right now on the Earth is that supposedly
millions of years ago some unicellular organisms that appeared
out of nowhere for no reason on an otherwise lifeless planet
accidentally mutated into a more complex creature, and so on.

And your fellow religious fanatics are in the public schools
shoving those fantasies down the throats of our children and
telling them they are facts.

Even though there is no way that someone who believes we are
limited to the physical senses and technological extensions
to them and reason can possibly know what the Earth was like
millions of years ago. All they can do is guess.

Sid

--

Sidney Lambe
Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magician

[Happy Oyster]

On 17 Sep 2009 22:53:09 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Happy Oyster <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On 17 Sep 2009 19:27:12 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>I guess this fellow doesn't believe in religiuos freedom.
>>
>> Religion is not freedom, it is slavery and abuse.
>
>
>Except for _your_ religion, of course, which,
>like all religious fanatics, you consider to be fact.

That is crap. There is NO god. so ALL religions are crap.

[Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.]

Happy Oyster wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2009 22:53:09 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Happy Oyster <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 17 Sep 2009 19:27:12 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I guess this fellow doesn't believe in religiuos freedom.
>>>
>>>Religion is not freedom, it is slavery and abuse.
>>
>>
>>Except for _your_ religion, of course, which,
>>like all religious fanatics, you consider to be fact.
>
>
> That is crap. There is NO god. so ALL religions are crap.

And by "crap" you mean worthless? Of course you realize a very strong
argument can be made regarding the worth and positive contributions the
concepts of religion have made on human history?

Whether its a lie, myth or whatever or not, whether "God" exists or not
one cant simply shovel away the effects of religion on human history
like one would a big, steaming pile of crap. No matter how much you as
an individual may seem to want to emphasize a metaphorical similitude.

And even "crap" is not wholly worthless so its also an inaccurate
metaphor, not quite yet null content verbiage but ...... in for a penny
in for a pound?

One might perhaps write, a tad more accurately that: Religion in its
detrimental aspects have legitimized human suffering. Even Buddha's
first truth "all is sorrow" while some what more accurate for the modern
world than a bloody corpse hanging on a tree (reminiscent of a more
brutal age) emphasizing the inherently painful aspect of life.

I can think of no major or minor religion right off the top of my head
that teaches that life is fundamentally an orgasm, that all life is the
manifestation of joy.

Certain Zen and Taoist and some esoteric aspects of Buddhism, Islam,
Christianity, Judaism and the Hindu religion argue for an inherent
goodness, love, bliss as the basis of existence but that is so easily
dismissed in the real world that it never really caught on as a wide
spread philosophical movement upon which to base ones daily conduct.

Even though all the Major religions strive for bliss they fail to see it
as foundational and preach and teach that it is to be obtained, and
unfortunately some go so far as to argue, earned.

[Evergreen]

Happy Oyster <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote:

> On 17 Sep 2009 22:53:09 +0200, Evergreen
> <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Happy Oyster <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 Sep 2009 19:27:12 +0200, Evergreen
>>> <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I guess this fellow doesn't believe in religiuos freedom.
>>>
>>> Religion is not freedom, it is slavery and abuse.
>>
>>
>>Except for _your_ religion, of course, which, like all
>>religious fanatics, you consider to be fact.
>
> That is crap. There is NO god. so ALL religions are crap. --

You can believe anything you want, like everyone else.

And by-the-way, a religion doesn't have to have a god.
Many don't.

Your stupid "Science" religion doesn't have a god.

[Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.]

As i wrote below, in some of the major religions there are mystical and
metaphysical philosophical orientations that maintain that "all
existence is pure joy" the fundamental state of being is ecstatic,
however, in the major religions this idea has to coexist with the more
widespread sin, sacrifice, suffering and redemption aspect of most
religions. People are still strongly Bacchanalian but most organized
religion is, by its very nature of organization, Apollonian.

Pure Buddhism, is not a religion but like the modern day existential
nihilists who argue that the universe is a meaningless, random accident
and there is no soul, spirit, god or "Truth" just a combination of
matter perceiving itself in some relativisticly insignificant way. Self
aware matter. With no purpose or point in being. Beyond that which the
rationalists argue that one can make for oneself, imposing what
authority one can over a hostile and ultimately fatal environment that
will destroy oneself sooner or later.

There is a very minor, obscure esoteric cult with some pretensions to a
lineage and history, that makes the "all existence is pure joy" a
foundational truth (and it borrows from the best to do so:) however it
is forbidden to be discussed:)

At least by the Orthodox.

And even if it were (93 and all that) the mere mention of the
identifiers would be a casus belli for many:)

[Happy Oyster]

On 18 Sep 2009 00:39:38 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Your stupid "Science" religion doesn't have a god.

That is plain idiocy.

[Happy Oyster]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:24:39 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
<jpst...@isp.com> wrote:

>Of course you realize a very strong
>argument can be made regarding the worth and positive contributions the
>concepts of religion have made on human history?

MILLIONS of people were killed for religious reasons. And today wars rage which
ARE based on religion.

Religion is satanic.

[Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.]

Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:24:39 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
> <jpst...@isp.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Of course you realize a very strong
>>argument can be made regarding the worth and positive contributions the
>>concepts of religion have made on human history?
>
>
> MILLIONS of people were killed for religious reasons. And today wars rage which
> ARE based on religion.
>
> Religion is satanic.

Yes and wars are also based on fear, greed and corruption, wars are
often fought for no good reason, only bad fear based, greed corruption
and evil reasons:)

Because its very apparent to me that our so called leaders are and have
been for a very long time, either stupid or scared, i really don't know
which. Probly both.

[Happy Oyster]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:11:48 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
<jpst...@isp.com> wrote:

>
>
>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:24:39 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
>> <jpst...@isp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Of course you realize a very strong
>>>argument can be made regarding the worth and positive contributions the
>>>concepts of religion have made on human history?
>>
>>
>> MILLIONS of people were killed for religious reasons. And today wars rage which
>> ARE based on religion.
>>
>> Religion is satanic.
>
>Yes and wars are also based on fear, greed and corruption, wars are
>often fought for no good reason, only bad fear based, greed corruption
>and evil reasons:)
>
>Because its very apparent to me that our so called leaders are and have
>been for a very long time, either stupid or scared, i really don't know
>which. Probly both.

That is a foul excuse.

[Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.]

Happy Oyster wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:11:48 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."

> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Happy Oyster wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:24:39 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."

> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Of course you realize a very strong
> >>>argument can be made regarding the worth and positive contributions
> the
> >>>concepts of religion have made on human history?
> >>
> >>
> >>MILLIONS of people were killed for religious reasons. And today wars
> rage which
> >>ARE based on religion.
> >>
> >>Religion is satanic.
> >
> >Yes and wars are also based on fear, greed and corruption, wars are
> >often fought for no good reason, only bad fear based, greed corruption
> >and evil reasons:)
> >
> >Because its very apparent to me that our so called leaders are and have
> >been for a very long time, either stupid or scared, i really don't know
> >which. Probly both.
>
>
> That is a foul excuse.

Really?

The Ideal is obvious. How many stand up for it?

Im not optimistic about the human animale, i think it will destroy
itself, accidentaly. "Ooops!"

"foul [ME ful, foul, OE ful; c. Goth ful(s). Icel. ful(i), OBG ful;
akin to L pus pus, putare to stink, Gk. pyon pus]

You have a most peculiar sense of smell Sir.

[Evergreen]

Happy Oyster <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote:
> On 18 Sep 2009 00:39:38 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Your stupid "Science" religion doesn't have a god.
>
> That is plain idiocy.

You are incredibly boring.

Good-bye.

[Happy Oyster]

What a crap.

[Happy Oyster]

On 18 Sep 2009 05:54:43 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Happy Oyster <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On 18 Sep 2009 00:39:38 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Your stupid "Science" religion doesn't have a god.
>>
>> That is plain idiocy.
>
>You are incredibly boring.

So you can't stand plain facts, isn't it?

[Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.]

Happy Oyster wrote:

"a crap"?

What a load of crap? what a bunch of crap? but just 'a crap' is new to me.

Steaming piles of bovine fecal matter is Bull Shit .... rather obvious
when seen in a farmer's field one would hope less likely here but
unfortunatly it seems to me, something, metaphoricaly, inevitable.

"What a dump!"

He flounced, frou - frouly in his limited edition Bette Davis imitation ...

http://flyingfijian.com/WorldClass/Mar09/Bette%20Davis%20Eyes%202008%20(Nelyd%20Koop%20House%20Remix).mp3

[Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.]

Happy Oyster wrote:

"a crap"?

What a load of crap? what a bunch of crap? but just 'a crap' is new to me.

Steaming piles of bovine fecal matter is Bull Shit .... rather obvious
when seen in a farmer's field one would hope less likely here but
unfortunatly it seems to me, something, metaphoricaly, inevitable.

"What a dump!"

He flounced, frou - frouly in his limited edition Bette Davis imitation ...

http://files.zipsites.ru/audio/music/Top%201000%20Of%20The%20Last%2030%20Years/0130%20-%20Kim%20Carnes%20-%20Bette%20Davis%20Eyes.mp3

[Evergreen]

Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Happy Oyster <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18 Sep 2009 00:39:38 +0200, Evergreen
>> <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Your stupid "Science" religion doesn't have a god.
>>
>> That is plain idiocy.
>
> You are incredibly boring.
>
> Good-bye.

This "Happy Oyster", clearly just another mentally ill creep
looking for an excuse to verbally abuse people (troll), is boring
(as well as history, no matter what names he hides behind next),
but the subject isn't.

Physical Science (Scientific Materialism) is indeed a religion.
In fact, it's the dominant religion of this civilization.

It is a religion because it is based upon a number of assumptions
about the nature of reality that cannot be tested with the
Scientific Method. They have to be taken on faith.

For example: tt is based on the assumption that only data from
the physical senses is valid. They are the only real senses we
have. Any other apparent perceptions are illusions generated by the
physical brain.

That assumption cannot be tested with the Scientific Method because
it is _based_ on that assumption (among others).

Furthermore, there is a _staggering_ body of evidence indicating
that this is a false assumption, from the entire span of recorded
human history almost every culture. In the last 5 decades many
credentialed Physical Scientists have added their validating work
to this already enormous database.

The mainstream Physical Scientists behave towards evidence that
their cherished foundational beliefs about the nature of reality
are erroneous the same way any religious fanatic reacts to the
same phenomena: they pretend that the evidence doesn't exist and
ignore it, dismissing it as "superstitious nonsense". They don't
have to examine the evidence because it can't possibly exist
because they don't believe it can exist.

This kind of bigotry typical of religious fanatics everywhere
and everywhen.

[Happy Oyster]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:26:15 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
<jpst...@isp.com> wrote:

>Happy Oyster wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:23:10 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
>> wrote:
>
>>
>> >You have a most peculiar sense of smell Sir.
>>
>>
>> What a crap.
>
>"a crap"?
>
>What a load of crap? what a bunch of crap? but just 'a crap' is new to me.
>
>Steaming piles of bovine fecal matter is Bull Shit .... rather obvious
>when seen in a farmer's field one would hope less likely here but
>unfortunatly it seems to me, something, metaphoricaly, inevitable.
>
>"What a dump!"
>
>He flounced, frou - frouly in his limited edition Bette Davis imitation ...

Are you Bette Davis?

I guess, not.

[Happy Oyster]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:44:42 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
<jpst...@isp.com> wrote:

>Happy Oyster wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:23:10 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > >You have a most peculiar sense of smell Sir.
> >
> >
> > What a crap.
>
>"a crap"?
>
>What a load of crap? what a bunch of crap? but just 'a crap' is new to me.
>
>Steaming piles of bovine fecal matter is Bull Shit .... rather obvious
>when seen in a farmer's field one would hope less likely here but
>unfortunatly it seems to me, something, metaphoricaly, inevitable.
>
>"What a dump!"
>
>He flounced, frou - frouly in his limited edition Bette Davis imitation ...

You still talk no sense.

[Happy Oyster]

On 18 Sep 2009 12:50:56 +0200, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Physical Science (Scientific Materialism) is indeed a religion.
>In fact, it's the dominant religion of this civilization.

That is an insane lie by people who reject logic and want to use their fairy
tales to replace it. They mainly are too damned stupid to think logically, and
so they seek an excuse for their existence.

[Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.]

Happy Oyster wrote:
> On 18 Sep 2009 12:50:56 +0200, Evergreen
>

>>Physical Science (Scientific Materialism) is indeed a religion.
>>In fact, it's the dominant religion of this civilization.
>
>
> That is an insane lie by people who reject logic and want to use their fairy
> tales to replace it. They mainly are too damned stupid to think logically, and
> so they seek an excuse for their existence.

You don't? how admirable if true. You don't seek an excuse for your
existence, ok, do you seek and explanation or an understanding of it?
Or are you content with existing and not bothering with analysis?

Your assertion of the admirable aspects of logic and reason would
suggest you value such introspection, however, 'stupid' does not
necessarily mean unintelligent.

What's the old saying, not all conservatives are ignorant but all the
ignorant are conservative?

Fanaticism, even from the intellectual elite, liberal, rationalists is
still fanaticism and no matter how accurate their personal
interpretation may be they are as equally guilty of bad behavior as the
most fundamentalist evangelical preaching its one way attitude.

"In so far as meat and drink are transmuted in us daily into spiritual
substance, i believe in the Miracle of the Mass."
--

[Happy Oyster]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:15:11 -0700, "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq."
<jpst...@isp.com> wrote:

>
>
>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> On 18 Sep 2009 12:50:56 +0200, Evergreen
>>
>>>Physical Science (Scientific Materialism) is indeed a religion.
>>>In fact, it's the dominant religion of this civilization.
>>
>>
>> That is an insane lie by people who reject logic and want to use their fairy
>> tales to replace it. They mainly are too damned stupid to think logically, and
>> so they seek an excuse for their existence.
>
>You don't? how admirable if true.

Of course I do not need that.