Fossil Fools Fancy Yet Another Bogus Cause for Global Warming (It's the CO2, stupid.)
Roger Coppock
many bogus causes for the observed rise in the global
mean surface temperature. Some of these have been:
under water volcanoes,
CO2 in soda pop,
a slow down of the Earth's spin,
God's will,
a conspiracy of scientists,
decreasing dust in the air,
the corruption of rock and roll music,
the orbit of the moon,
international socialism,
mystic forces beyond the understanding of science,
the Jews,
the blacks,
the asian brown cloud,
someone other than me,
the Virgin Mary,
flatulence from spicy Mexican food,
cosmic rays,
the new world order,
an explosion on the Sun,
the teaching of evolution in public schools,
thong bikini underwear,
UFO aliens preparing for invasion,
natural cycles,
original sin, and
32 flavors of ice cream.
BUT, THIS ONE TAKES THE PRIZE!!!!!!!
(I decided not to quote this post, because
this has just got to be seen in all it's glory.)
It's the CO2 from burning carbon fuels, stupid.
Scientists have known this since 1824.
Al Bedo
The thing of it is is:
according to thermometers, earth warmed at pretty good clip from 1910 to 1945.
CO2 increases were minimal in that stretch, certainly not enough to explain the
warming. So the early twentieth century warming still lacks a good explanation.
People don't like to admit the don't know what's going on, but our understanding
of climate and the atmosphere is still obviously incomplete.
Roger Coppock
Every fossil fool just KNOWS that this was those
damn 32 flavors of ice cream. (See my list above.)
The rest of us turn to the scientific explaination.
(See the URLs below)
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/data/simodel/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/figspm-3.htm
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/crowley.html
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/gcmoutput/crowley2000/forc-total-4_12_01.txt
AGW is a scam
> The carbon fuel industry funded PR has come up with
> many bogus causes for the observed rise in the global
> mean surface temperature. Some of these have been:
>
> under water volcanoes,
> CO2 in soda pop,
> a slow down of the Earth's spin,
> God's will,
> a conspiracy of scientists,
> decreasing dust in the air,
> the corruption of rock and roll music,
> the orbit of the moon,
> international socialism,
> the Jews,
> the blacks,
> the asian brown cloud,
> someone other than me,
> the Virgin Mary,
> flatulence from spicy Mexican food,
> cosmic rays,
> the new world order,
> an explosion on the Sun,
> the teaching of evolution in public schools,
> thong bikini underwear,
> UFO aliens preparing for invasion,
> natural cycles,
> original sin, and
> 32 flavors of ice cream.
>
> BUT, THIS ONE TAKES THE PRIZE!!!!!!!
>
> (I decided not to quote this post, because
> this has just got to be seen in all it's glory.)
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/browse_frm/thread/e68da162bc9f8a2b/e8b4ddf852a3b97a?hl=en#e8b4ddf852a3b97a
>
> It's the CO2 from burning carbon fuels, stupid.
> Scientists have known this since 1824.
can be explained because the solar wind is intercepted by one of the
Van Allen belts which also intercepts cosmic rays.The concentration of
plasma (from the solar wind) in this belt builds up over many solar
cycles.This build up reduces the cosmic rays impinging on the
atmosphere reducing cloud formation. This theory fits all the
observations of rising temperature,the influence of length of solar
cycle on temperature and the reducing terrestrial magnetic field since
the mid 19th century. The activity of the sun increased substantially
since then up to about 1985. Since 1985 atmospheric pollution reduced
up to about 2000 allowing more solar energy through.
This accounts for all the temperature increase during the 1990s.
BTW Antarctica is cooling and ice core data does not prove that CO2
causes GW
The idea that CO2 causes GW is based on faulty logic,simplistic
analysis of data,and does not accord with written history.
Roger Coppock
> Roger Coppock wrote:
> > The carbon fuel industry funded PR has come up with
> > many bogus causes for the observed rise in the global
> > mean surface temperature. Some of these have been:
>
> It isn't CO2, it's the sun.
Oh my gawd!
It's an item straight from the list:
an explosion on the Sun.
That item is below:
the new world order.
It is above:
the teaching of evolution in public schools.
> The lack of variation over a solar cycle
> can be explained because the solar wind is intercepted by one of the
> Van Allen belts which also intercepts cosmic rays.
LOL!
Spoken like a true pseudo scientist!
> The concentration of
> plasma (from the solar wind) in this belt builds up over many solar
> cycles. This build up reduces the cosmic rays impinging on the
> atmosphere reducing cloud formation.
Now everybody sing!
The leg bone is connected to the thigh bone . . .
. . .
Now here the word of the Lord!
ROTFLMSAO!
IT'S THE CO2 STUPID!
z
> It isn't CO2, it's the sun . The lack of variation over a solar cycle
> can be explained because the solar wind is intercepted by one of the
> Van Allen belts which also intercepts cosmic rays.The concentration of
> plasma (from the solar wind) in this belt builds up over many solar
> cycles.This build up reduces the cosmic rays impinging on the
> atmosphere reducing cloud formation. This theory fits all the
> observations of rising temperature,the influence of length of solar
> cycle on temperature and the reducing terrestrial magnetic field since
> the mid 19th century.. Since 1985 atmospheric pollution reduced
> up to about 2000 allowing more solar energy through.
> This accounts for all the temperature increase during the 1990s.
> BTW Antarctica is cooling and ice core data does not prove that CO2
> causes GW
> The idea that CO2 causes GW is based on faulty logic,simplistic
> analysis of data,and does not accord with written history.
What are you saying? " The ***lack of variation over a solar cycle***
[emphasis mine] can be explained because the solar wind is intercepted
by one of the Van Allen belts which also intercepts cosmic rays",
followed by "This theory fits ... the influence of length of solar
cycle on temperature"? Are you saying that the solar cycle does or does
not influence temperature?
Until you enlighten us as to your cloudy thinking, let me enlighten
you:
1a) Firstly, the paper supposed to "confirm" the intermediate variable
of the effect you refer to, i.e. solar activity affects total global
cloud cover, (Svensmark, H.,and E. Friis-Christensen (1997), Variation
of cosmic ray flux and global cloud coverage-A missing link in
solar-climate relationships, J.Atmos. Solar-Terr.Phys., 59,
1225-1232) used cloud data from the US Defense Meteorological
Satellite Program that was NOT global cloud coverage data; when
corrected with actual global cloud coverage data from the International
Satellite Cloud Climatology Program, there is no correlation. (Laut, P.
(2003), Solar activity and terrestrial climate: An analysis of some
purported correlations, J.Atmos. Solar-Terr.Phys., 65, 801-812.) If
there is no actual correlation between solar activity and cloud
coverage, that sort of removes the support for the theory that there is
a correlation between solar activity and temperature caused by the
correlation between solar activity and cloud coverage, doesn't it?
1b) The paper which "fits all the observations of rising
temperature,the influence of length of solar cycle on temperature and
the reducing terrestrial magnetic field since the mid 19th century",
(Friis-Christensen, E., and K. Lassen (1991), Length of the solar
cycle:An indicator of solar activity closely associated with climate,
Science, 254, 698-700), and originally came up with the
cloud-coverage-as-an-intermediary-variable hypothesis relied on very
heavily smoothed solar cycle length calculations fitted to the global
temperature curve until 1960 (the last date at which there was a long
enough period of solar activity data to produce smoothed points in 1991
when they published). Not stopping there, however, they then
"guesstismoothed" the more recent solar cycle lengths after 1960 using
smaller and smaller amounts of data to smooth, in order to produce four
more points during that period which they found to be rapidly dropping
from 10.6 to 9.8 years, thus equally well correlating with global temp
which was rapidly rising by .3 degrees C. Now, given that their
estimated points happen to cover the precise period of interest, where
anthropogenic climate change is theorized to be affecting climate, this
should send up a red flag, at least suggesting further follow-up later
on when more data has come in. And, sure enough, in 2004 when enough
data was available to properly fill in the four correctly smoothed
points after 1960, it became clear that the actual cycle length
remained flat instead of dropping as they had "guesstimated", while the
temperature rose; of course, this completely destroyed any suggestion
of correlation over that period, the exact period where they were
trying to show that CO2 mediated climate change does not exist. (Laut,
P. and J. Gundermann (2000), Solar cycle lengths and climate: A
reference revisited, J.Geophys.Res., 105, 27,489-27,492 ) The original
authors published an update with "corrected" figures for the last four
points which purported to show that although the actual values of the
solar cycle length of first three points were indeed flat, it suddenly
spiked hugely down at 1980, so that at least their last, lowest
"guestimated" point was nearly correct (Lassen, K., and E.
Friis-Christensen (2000), Reply to "Solar cycle lengths and climate:
A reference revisited" by P. Laut and J.Gundermann, J.Geophys.Res.,
105, 27,493-27,495). This claim to have at least somewhat salvaged
their hypothesis failed, however, when it turned out that they had
bungled the arithmetic smoothing of that last point, which was indeed
truly flat and not a huge drop. (Damon, P, and P. Laut (2004), Pattern
of strange errors plagues solar activity and terrestrial climate data,
Eos, 85, 370-374)
1c) Furthermore, the same analysis was applied to data going back to
1700 (Damon, P. E., and A. N. Peristykh (1999), Solar cycle length and
20th century northern hemisphere warming: Revisited, Geophys.Res.Lett.,
26, 2469-2472) and a general correlation of temperature to solar
cycle length, having three cycles of about 100 years periodicity, was
found; but the solar cycle length was actually lower in the 1900s than
in the 1700s, so that there is actually an additional .2 degrees C in
the 1900s that needs to be accounted for, which Friis-Christensen and
Lassen ignored by starting their analysis in 1860 as though there had
been perfect correlation up to then, ignoring the extra .2 degrees that
had crept in along the way. This paper shows that the contribution of
any solar cycle effect **cannot be more than** 25% of the northern
hemisphere warming up to 1980, and **cannot be more than** 15% of the
northern hemisphere warming up to 1997.
2) So, at most 25%, at most 15%; similarly, according to other
estimates of the total solar effect on temperature change so often
quoted by self styled debunkers, "We estimate that the sun contributed
as much as 45-50% of the 1900-2000 global warming, and 25-35% of the
1980-2000 global warming. These results, while confirming that
anthropogenic-added climate forcing might have progressively played a
dominant role in climate change during the last century, also suggest
that the solar impact on climate change during the same period is
significantly stronger than what some theoretical models have
predicted." <http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006GeoRL..3305708S> At most
45-50%, at most 25-35%.... The other papers on the extent of the solar
effect on global warming all come up with similar numbers. Which, no
surprise, are what is estimated in the IPCC calculations of the effect
of CO2 change.
3) Antarctica is not cooling. 58% of Antarctica is reported as cooling
(although some papers disagree). The authors of the paper describing
this have publicly stated that they fully believe in anthropogenic
climate change. "In a rebuttal in The Providence Journal, in Rhode
Island, the lead author of the Science paper and I explained that our
studies offered no evidence that the earth was cooling. But the
misinterpretation had already become legend, and in the four and half
years since, it has only grown. ... Our study did find that 58 percent
of Antarctica cooled from 1966 to 2000. But during that period, the
rest of the continent was warming. And climate models created since our
paper was published have suggested a link between the lack of
significant warming in Antarctica and the ozone hole over that
continent. These models, conspicuously missing from the warming-skeptic
literature, suggest that as the ozone hole heals - thanks to
worldwide bans on ozone-destroying chemicals - all of Antarctica is
likely to warm with the rest of the planet. An inconvenient truth?...
In the meantime, I would like to remove my name from the list of
scientists who dispute global warming. I know my coauthors would as
well."
<http://www.amhersttimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2308&Itemid=27>
Didn't you notice the ice shelf falling off Antarctica a while back? It
was in the papers, you know.
4) The ice core data does not "prove that CO2 causes GW", because
nobody ever expected it to prove that because logically there is no
way ice core data could "prove" that, because as the "debunkers" are
happy to make use of, this is not mathematics, and you can't "prove" a
hypothesis in any way. (Or maybe you would like to "prove" your solar
cycle idea?) The ice core data does show, however that "the recent
warming in the Peninsula region is unusual within the longer (500
years) perspective available, and the slight cooling in East and West
Antarctica lies within the range of past variability (1000 years for PR
and 500 years for SS)." -("A multi-century ice-core perspective on
20th-century climate change with new contributions from high-Arctic and
Greenland (PARCA) cores"; Ellen Mosley_thompson, Lonnie G. Thompson,
Ping-Nan Lin; Annals of Glaciology, 43; 2006) See point 3 above.
z
NO! It's the Sun alright! The Son of GAWD, that's who!! Fall to your
knees you heathen and pray to the Lord of Intelligent Design and
Intelligent Climate that He may forgive you your communist ways!!
Bawana
z wrote:
> Until you enlighten us as to your cloudy thinking, let me enlighten
> you:
Bullshit to follow...
Never mind.
If you're gonna copy/paste, zturd, let us know what left-wing rag you
pulled it from.
RayLopez KiddiePorn@Nambla.org
Al Bedo wrote:
> according to thermometers, earth warmed at pretty good clip from 1910 to 1945.
> CO2 increases were minimal in that stretch, certainly not enough to explain the
> warming. So the early twentieth century warming still lacks a good explanation.
> People don't like to admit the don't know what's going on, but our understanding
> of climate and the atmosphere is still obviously incomplete.
You have to stop calling yourself "people"...
The honest statement is:
"Al Bedo his meato" don't like to admit "he" don't know what's going
on, but "Al Bedo his meato's" understanding of climate and the
atmosphere is still obviously incomplete.
Since you don't even know how to READ science, you don't know what
other people do understand and don't understand.
RayLopez KiddiePorn@Nambla.org
It wouldn't matter. Science from any source is all greek to you..
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z
Al Bedo wrote:
> according to thermometers, earth warmed at pretty good clip from 1910 to 1945.
> CO2 increases were minimal in that stretch, certainly not enough to explain the
> warming. So the early twentieth century warming still lacks a good explanation.
> People don't like to admit the don't know what's going on, but our understanding
> of climate and the atmosphere is still obviously incomplete.
What makes you say "CO2 increases were minimal in that stretch,
certainly not enough to explain the warming"? Who says they aren't?
You? We were emitting 500 million tonnes of carbon as CO2 into the
atmosphere in 1900, going to 1500 in 1950, and 6,000 in 2000. CO2 in
the atmosphere increased 12 ppm between 1900 and 1940, 18% of the total
increase between 1900 and 2000 (Idso, S. B. (1989) Carbon Dioxide and
Global Change: Earth in Transition, IBR Press, 7) Nobody expects that
to explain all the warming alone, but added to natural effects, such as
the changes in solar output "debunkers" keep telling us about, that's
sufficient to explain the increase, just as the greater increase in CO2
added to natural effects is sufficient to explain the faster increase
found in the past few decades, while natural effects only are not.
You say: "earth warmed at pretty good clip from 1910 to 1945"
In that case, you'd have to say a doubling in that pretty good clip is
an eye opener:
Annual global land surface warming, 1910-1945: 0.011 degree C, standard
error 0.0015 degrees.
Annual global land surface warming, 1976-2000: 0.022 degree C, standard
error 0.004 degrees.
(Jones, P.D., T.J. Osborn, K.R. Briffa, C.K. Folland, E.B. Horton, L.V.
Alexander, D.E. Parker and N.A. Rayner, 2001: Adjusting for sampling
density in grid box land and ocean surface temperature time series. J.
Geophys. Res., 106, 3371-3380)
Bawana
RayLopez Kiddi...@Nambla.org wrote:
> Bawana wrote:
> > z wrote:
> >
> > > Until you enlighten us as to your cloudy thinking, let me enlighten
> > > you:
> >
> > Bullshit to follow...
> >
> > Never mind.
> >
> > If you're gonna copy/paste, zturd, let us know what left-wing rag you
> > pulled it from.
>
> It wouldn't matter. Science from any source is all greek to you..
"climate science" is not "science", tardfuck.
They haven't been correct about anything in 100 years.
RayLopez KiddiePorn@Nambla.org
Exxon hires HUNDREDS of surrogates like Bawana to lie on Exxon's
behalf.
Just another liar-for-hire Bawana, who licks Exxons Ass Until His
Tongue Falls Off, for minimum wage.
AGW is a scam
tells me so.
If CO2 didn't cause the ice ages it can have have only a minuscule
effect on the global temperature so that it cannot be the cause of the
present GW.
It is obviously wrong to say "no one expects it to" the whole tin pot
AGW theory collapses if you try to put that lie over .
Z needs to clear his head of woolly thinking. I wonder if their are any
clear headed disciples of AGW and that includes Roger Coppock
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Roger Coppock
LOL!
AGW is a scam
paulus
"Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message
news:1167993024.7...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> AGW is a scam wrote:
>> Exxon hasn't hired me and I doubt it's hired anybody else either'
>
> LOL!
>
If the oil industry was/is hiring people to protect their interests with
anti AGW propaganda I can't think why such people would come on here to do
their work.
I've said before that if the opinions proffered (pro or anti) on this forum
were likely to sway public attitudes or government policy then we really are
in a mess.
Surely there are people better informed than any of us on here to direct
the governments of the world on such an important issue as GW.
Isn't there?
Paulus
Bawana
paulus wrote:
> "Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message
> news:1167993024.7...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> > AGW is a scam wrote:
> >> Exxon hasn't hired me and I doubt it's hired anybody else either'
> >
> > LOL!
> >
>
> If the oil industry was/is hiring people to protect their interests with
> anti AGW propaganda I can't think why such people would come on here to do
> their work.
Bingo.
Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
lib-tards.
How could anyone of right mind think this forum actually makes a
difference?
AGW is a scam
helped me to develop a more satisfactory theory than AGW .It has also
shown me how weak and tawdry the AGW theory is.
z
AGW is a scam wrote:
> So I can rest safely assured that CO2 didn't cause the ice ages, Z
> tells me so.
> If CO2 didn't cause the ice ages it can have have only a minuscule
> effect on the global temperature so that it cannot be the cause of the
> present GW.
Good thinking. Since lack of CO2 did not cause the ice age, therefore
presence of CO2 cannot cause warming.
z
paulus wrote:
> If the oil industry was/is hiring people to protect their interests with
> anti AGW propaganda I can't think why such people would come on here to do
> their work.
Cause they're nuts, pretty obviously. They enjoy "debating" by
insulting their opponents and calling them sixth grade names with
either a complete absence of any facts or analysis, or a slipshod
rehash of something they read, without any serious effort to evaluate
it. Typical of what passes for "conservative" these days, when
conservative has somehow come to mean "asshole".
"Lohse, a social work master's student at Southern Connecticut State
University, says he has proven what many progressives have probably
suspected for years: a direct link between mental illness and support
for President Bush.
"Lohse says his study is no joke. The thesis draws on a survey of 69
psychiatric outpatients in three Connecticut locations during the 2004
presidential election. Lohse's study, backed by SCSU Psychology
professor Jaak Rakfeldt and statistician Misty Ginacola, found a
correlation between the severity of a person's psychosis and their
preferences for president: The more psychotic the voter, the more
likely they were to vote for Bush."
<http://www.courant.com/hc-hta-1207-htnc8bushnuts50.artdec07,0,4312847.story>
Is there any doubt, just on the basis of this newsgroup alone?
Roger Coppock
paulus wrote:
> If the oil industry was/is hiring people to protect their interests with
> anti AGW propaganda I can't think why such people would come on here to do
> their work.
Training materials for 'summer institutes' held by creationists
show them practicing on USENET forums. Since so many
creationists are also anti-global warmers, it's a very good bet
that there are paid fossil fools here.
Drug companies are also here.
z
AGW is a scam wrote:
> It has allowed me to winkle out data from the likes of Roger which has
> helped me to develop a more satisfactory theory than AGW .It has also
> shown me how weak and tawdry the AGW theory is.
Terrific! Let's here this new theory! You don't mean that
solar-cycle-cosmic-ray-cloud-coverage one do you? For one thing, as I
posted yesterday it was only correct if you don't include the actual
data for the past 40 years; for another thing, I don't believe it was
you who developed it.
john fernbach
RayLopez Kiddi...@Nambla.org wrote:
>> Exxon hires HUNDREDS of surrogates like Bawana to lie on Exxon's
> behalf.
>
True enough - whether Bawana himself is on the payroll or not.
But don't forget BIG COAL, folks.
It isn't ONLY Exxon-Mobil and Koch Industries that have an obvious
interest in fogging up the latest science about CO2 and climate change.
BTU per BTU of energy produced, COAL is four times as powerful a
generator of CO2 emissions as oil is.
And as Jeff Goodell reports in his new book BIG COAL, American coal
producers are eagerly looking forward to seeing coal replace Middle
Eastern oil as the main US energy source, as the world's remaining oil
reserves become increasingly depleted.
That makes the US COAL producers, along with the US railroads, the
electric power companies and the coal-to-methanol people associated
with them, into a huge economic interest with a major motive for
denying the truth concerning CO2 and climate change.
Ditto for China and Australia as well, two other heavy CO2 belching
nations that have large coal reserves and are eager to make money from
them.
Some of the leading coal companies and coal company executives are
already in the forefront of the AGW denialist movement, as Goodell
points out in BIG COAL.
So -- keep your eye out for Exxon and Koch Industries, sure. They will
warp American politics and warp our children's minds, if we let them.
But don't forget BIG OIL's older and dirtier brother -- BIG COAL.
john fernbach
paulus wrote:
> I've said before that if the opinions proffered (pro or anti) on this forum
> were likely to sway public attitudes or government policy then we really are
> in a mess.
>
> Surely there are people better informed than any of us on here to direct
> the governments of the world on such an important issue as GW.
>
> Isn't there?
>
RepigglyKKKlan Sewer Rat Plinker
AGW is a scam wrote:
> Roger Coppock wrote:
> > AGW is a scam wrote:
> > > Exxon hasn't hired me and I doubt it's hired anybody else either'
> >
> > LOL!
> Roger. Does ice core data prove that CO2 causes GW or not? Yes or no.
Get an education and find out.
Bawana
z wrote:
> paulus wrote:
>
> > If the oil industry was/is hiring people to protect their interests with
> > anti AGW propaganda I can't think why such people would come on here to do
> > their work.
>
> Cause they're nuts, pretty obviously.
Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
Bawana
Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
Bawana
john fernbach wrote:
> RayLopez Kiddi...@Nambla.org wrote:
> >> Exxon hires HUNDREDS of surrogates like Bawana to lie on Exxon's
> > behalf.
> >
>
> True enough - whether Bawana himself is on the payroll or not.
Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
H2-PV, PV-H2
If it DIDN'T make a difference there wouldn't be so many paid
corporate, Exxon-cartel-funded disruptors present. The fact that they
pay you to interfere is proof that it has cash value worth the minimum
wage of dozens or scores of cheap whore interns pounding keyboards in
windowless boiler rooms. If you weren't making more money doing your
thing here, you'd have to compete with 10,000,000 spammers trying to
sell counterfeit viagra by email to buy your Big Macs and beer. Killer
Koch Brothers has a dormatory for cheap whore interns -- read about it
by googling Charles G. Koch Fellows Program, or look around the room
you are in at the other bunkbeds, whichever is easier.
Bawana
H2-PV, PV-H2 wrote:
> Bawana wrote:
> > john fernbach wrote:
> > > RayLopez Kiddi...@Nambla.org wrote:
> > > >> Exxon hires HUNDREDS of surrogates like Bawana to lie on Exxon's
> > > > behalf.
> > > >
> > >
> > > True enough - whether Bawana himself is on the payroll or not.
> >
> > Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
> > lib-tards.
> >
> > How could anyone of right mind think this forum actually makes a
> > difference?
>
> If it DIDN'T make a difference there wouldn't be so many paid
> corporate, Exxon-cartel-funded disruptors present. The fact that they
> pay you to interfere is proof
Retard.
Your "facts" that Exxon is paying me mirrors your "facts" of agw.
Ya have no "facts" about either.
Red Tide Algae Blooms, Another Global Warming Result
Bawana wrote:
> Retard.
>
> Your "facts" that Exxon is paying me mirrors your "facts" of agw.
>
> Ya have no "facts" about either.
>
> Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
> lib-tards.
"DISCOVERY". A legal term. It's how we got the evidence that Fred
Singer was on the tobacco payrolls doing felony frauds. This time we
know to get the lists of even the smallest small fry so that not one of
you swims out of the net.
Bawana
Red Tide Algae Blooms, Another Global Warming Result wrote:
> Bawana wrote:
> > Retard.
> >
> > Your "facts" that Exxon is paying me mirrors your "facts" of agw.
> >
> > Ya have no "facts" about either.
> >
> > Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
> > lib-tards.
>
> "DISCOVERY". A legal term.
I certainly isn't a "climate science" term.
Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
lib-tards.
How could anyone of right mind think this forum actually makes a
difference?
Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones
Bawana wrote:
> Red Tide Algae Blooms, Another Global Warming Result wrote:
> > Bawana wrote:
> > > Retard.
> > >
> > > Your "facts" that Exxon is paying me mirrors your "facts" of agw.
> > >
> > > Ya have no "facts" about either.
> > >
> > > Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
> > > lib-tards.
> >
> > "DISCOVERY". A legal term.
>
> I certainly isn't a "climate science" term.
>
> Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
DISCOVERY means the courts order you to turn over all your bank
records, all your phone bills. You bank gets ordered too, and so does
your ISP and phone company. Your employer also has to turn over the
records by SUBPOENA (another legal term from Rome, means "under pain"
and the Latins knew a lot about delivering pain.) It means that Exxon,
and CEI and Heritage Foundation, Townhall.org and any other
organization that has a whiff of you has to turn over their records
too. Oh it costs money, but then Soros has billions, doesn't he? Even
little Greenpeace can pull a hundred million if it means busting the
RICO crime rings into dust. Besides, when YOU and Exxon and CATO
INSTITUTE and Killer Koch Brothers all get nailed, then the courts make
you pay, (how much was the Tobacco settlement again, $280,000,000,000?)
costs plus whatever you got buried in a sock in your backyard. Does
Exxon even have $280 billion? Do you? The wheels grind slow, but in the
end you are soylent green, buddy boy. Alpo with genuine chunks of
Bawana.
Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Bawana
Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones wrote:
> Bawana wrote:
> > Red Tide Algae Blooms, Another Global Warming Result wrote:
> > > Bawana wrote:
> > > > Retard.
> > > >
> > > > Your "facts" that Exxon is paying me mirrors your "facts" of agw.
> > > >
> > > > Ya have no "facts" about either.
> > > >
> > > > Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
> > > > lib-tards.
> > >
> > > "DISCOVERY". A legal term.
> >
> > I certainly isn't a "climate science" term.
> >
> > Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
>
DISCOVERY certainly isn't a "climate science" term.
Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic lunatic-fringe
lib-tards.
How could anyone of right mind think this forum actually makes a
difference?
hanson
"Bawana" <mrbaw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168091047....@i15g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
Lion Kuntz aka Loin Cunts aka "Awe Shit" aka "Palace Troll"
here cloaked as "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not
Green Ones" <Global....@ARMY.com> ... and again
"Awe Shit" aka "Loin Cunts", is making enviro policy here as
Red Tide Algae Blooms, Another Global Warming Result":
>
>> > > Bawana wrote:
>> > > > Retard. Your " [Awe Shit] facts" that Exxon is paying
>> > > > me mirrors your "[Awe Shit] facts" of AGWw.
>> > >
[Awe Shit]
>> > > "DISCOVERY". A legal term.
>> >
>> > I certainly isn't a "climate science" term.
>> > Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
>>
>> DISCOVERY * means the courts order you to ...blah, blah, blah....
>
[Bwana]
> DISCOVERY certainly isn't a "climate science" term.
> Bhaaawwwwwaaaaawwwwaaaawwwaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
> Usenet is like midnight basketball for the messianic
> lunatic-fringe lib-tards. How could anyone of right mind
> think this forum actually makes a difference?
>
But Bawana, the very best is "Awe Shit"s subject line
--- Re: Exxon hires intermediaries who hires HUNDREDS
of surrogates like Bawana to lie on Exxon's behalf --, ....
when you consider that "Awe Shit"/Loin Kuntz himself is
**one of these hired surrogates** -- who like the other one,
the hilarious Scott Nudds aka Vendickarse DickArian aka
"news.cogeco.ca" -- are laboring/posting so successfully
to portray the enviros as even more stupid & fanatic than they
already are.... ahahaha... Thanks for the laughs guys. Keep
entertaining us with you aggravating the well meaning little
green idiots to no end, who do believe that they do someting
good for the environment with their incessant whining.
ahahaha... ahahahanson
Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones
Bob Kolker wrote:
> Science Fraud Buster wrote:
>
> >
> > Installed atop a bottling plant at Fetzer Vineyards in California is a
> > shiny new 901-kilowatt photovoltaic solar array. The entire cost of the
> > recent solar project to the Mendocino County-based winery? $0.
>
> The devil you say! They must have spent some front money to get the
> system installed. Maybe it will pay for itselve -eventually- but it cost
> something up front. TANSTAAFL.
A PRIVATE consortium paid all the cost to install the system. In turn
they sell at guaranteed 10% off base utility rates, plus 70% off peak
demand pricing rates. The PV host with the blue roof gets the PV for no
money down -- all they have to do is pay their REDUCED RATE electric
bill to the consortium.
You are arguing AGAINST PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.
You are arguing AGAINST COMPETITION IN THE ELECTRICITY UTILITY
BUSINESS.
You are arguing AGAINST FREEDOM OF CHOICE.
Exxon's Dick in your mouth makes you say funny things.
> > "We get clean power from new solar at a cost that is 10% less than
> > conventional power from the utility. It will stay below the cost of
> > grid power for the length of the contract. It also reduces our peak
> > demand power charges by 70%. All this at no capital expense and no
> > increasing in the asset base."
> >
> > "We get clean power from new solar at a cost that is 10% less than
> > conventional power from the utility. It will stay below the cost of
> > grid power for the length of the contract. It also reduces our peak
> > demand power charges by 70%. All this at no capital expense and no
> > increasing in the asset base," said Susanne Zechiel, Fetzer's manager
> > of facility resources for its California wine group.
> >
> > Developed by 3 Phases Energy and installed by PowerLight, the Fetzer
> > solar energy system was the first project in 2006 to be financed
> > through MMA Renewable Ventures' solar fund, a vehicle for institutional
> > investment in renewable energy projects nationwide. Deploying the
> > proceeds through its proprietary third-party financing model, the
> > venture company works with solar energy developers such as 3 Phases
> > Energy to offer customers predictably priced clean energy while
> > avoiding the costs of installation and ongoing system maintenance.
> >
> > "While investment in clean energy projects is on the rise, solar
> > projects, the largest of which tend to be small in comparison, only
> > make sense to capital markets if they can be efficiently organized,
> > which we have accomplished with this sponsorship and will in many more
> > to come," said MMA Renewable Ventures CEO Matt Cheney.
> >
> > Generating 1.1 million kilowatt hours of clean electricity annually,
> > the Fetzer installation is positioned on the roofs of the winery's
> > bottling facility and Red Wine Barrel Room in Hopland, California. The
> > array will supply about 80 percent of the bottling plant's energy and
> > about a third of the overall vineyard's power.
> >
> > "Since 1998 [Fetzer Vineyards] has been committed to supporting
> > renewable energy. We were the first and only winery to choose to
> > purchase 'green' power when the California energy market deregulates
> > and we maintain those direct access accounts currently. However, we
> > also want to one, support the development of new renewable power
> > sources and two, ensure our own access to clean power in the future,"
> > said Zeichel, who hopes other businesses will be able to take advantage
> > of the proprietary third-party financing model.
>
> Try running the entire United States on photovoltaic power.
I intend to.
> There is not
> enough land area on the planet earth to build the arrays necessary to do
> it.
Those are the kind of words that come out of mouth full of EXXON'S
DICK.
13% efficiency PV is 12 watts per square foot each peak sunny hour.
There are 8 states on the USA where at least part of the state gets 6
kilowatthours per meter square on average every day, or 72 watthours
per square foot per day. The entire national supply of energy, both
motor fuels plus grid electricity can be made in just part of one of
those states in their desert scrublands.
EXXON'S DICK in your mouth makes you tell lies.
http://h2-pv.us/PV/DOE_Slides/Govt_PDFs_01.html
http://h2-pv.us/H2/PDFs_Dloaded.html
http://h2-pv.tripod.com/PV/solar_maps.html
http://h2-pv.us/H2/h2_safety_swain/swain_safety.html
http://h2-pv.us/H2/H2_Basics.html
http://h2-pv.us/H2/H2-PV_Breeders.html
> Photovoltaic power has its uses (along with hydroelectric, wind and
> geothermal) but it is not sufficient to run an industrial strength
> economy. When the the U.S. is reduced to small villages running in a
> chicken shit and granola mode, maybe photovoltaic and wind will be
> sufficient.
>
> Bob Kolker
Yes, people with EXXON'S DICK in their mouths usually say that. It's
not true but they say it over and over.
Three of the more than 5,700,000 expired patents, open-source public
domain technology 100% free to use by anybody with a technical skill
level prove you are a liar:
(1) Acid-wash of sand is proven method for reducing impurities in
silicon-dioxide to solar-grade amounts. Patent # 4588571 gives detailed
instructions.
http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=4588571
(2) Reduction of SiO2 into Si using waste aluminum otherwise destined
for landfills is well known technology. Patent # 4457903 gives detailed
instructions.
http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=4457903
(3) Taking the melt from the aluminum slag purification process and
electromagnetically casting it into polycrystal ingot blocks is well
known technology. Patent # 4572812 gives detailed instructions.
http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=4572812
Combined these three, among millions of expired patent teachings, can
turn common sand into Silicon PV using seven wheelbarrows of sand per
day to go to 2 wheelbarrows of PV crystal blocks for $0.06 (six cents)
worth of materials and electricity at known published costs.
http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Bulk_Sand
Silicon polycrystal blocks have a world market place in trade, and can
be sold to many countries with pent up demand for stock to finish into
panels.
Republicans with Exxon's Dick in their mouths have trouble
understanding technology and physics, so a simplified explanation
dumbed down to republican levels has been provided:
http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=ITS_MAGIC
Because it is expired technology EXXON can't stop it: there are no
chokepoints for the price-fixer-cartel to interfer with. Even Exxon's
own old patents can be used:
http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Exxon+Solar+Patents
http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=4214920
United States Patent 4,214,920
Amick , et al. July 29, 1980
Method for producing solar cell-grade silicon from rice hulls
Abstract
The present invention relates to the production of high purity solar
grade silicon from common rice hulls. A unique process for material
purification and reduction includes leaching the rice hulls in acid
followed by treatment with high purity water, coking the acid-cleaned
hulls in a non-oxidizing ambient, compensating the carbon or silica
content of the coked hulls to obtain a desired carbon to silica ratio
and reducing the silica to produce high purity silicon.
Inventors: Amick; James A. (Princeton, NJ), Milewski; John V. (Los
Alamos, NM), Wright; Franklin J. (Watchung, NJ)
Assignee: Exxon Research & Engineering Co. (Florham Park, NJ)
Appl. No.: 06/023,300
Filed: March 23, 1979
hanson
..... ahahahaha.... HAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
"Lion Kuntz" aka Loin Cunts aka "Awe Shit" aka "Palace Troll"
or "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones" aka
<Global.Warming at ARMY.com> / " <Net_Police at h2-pv.us>
[hanson]
..... the very best is "Awe Shit"s own chosen subject line
=== Re: HoHo Hanson with Exxon's Dick in his mouth said:
=== Exxon hires intermediaries who hires HUNDREDS of
=== surrogates like Bawana to lie on Exxon's behalf.
... ahahaha... "brilliant", when you consider that
****************************************************
"Awe Shit"/Loin Kuntz is one of these hired surrogates
****************************************************
-- who like the other one, the hilarious Scott Nudds aka
Vendickarse DickArian aka "news.cogeco.ca" -- are laboring
and posting so successfully to portray the enviros as even
more stupid & fanatical than they already are.... ahahaha...
>
[Bok Kolker]
>>> Are you, "Awe Shit", try running the entire United States
>>> on photovoltaic power.
>
[Awe Shit]
> I intend to.
> Even Exxon's own old patents can be used:
> http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Exxon+Solar+Patents
> http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=4214920
>
[Ray Lopez]
"raylopez99" <raylo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168209585....@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Idiot: here's a practice pointer--LESS IS MORE.
> Nobody takes you seriously when you are prolix,
> like John Fernbach and sometimes Roger Coppock.
> In fact, it's an indicator of a brain injury sometimes.
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... indeed, and in case of Poppcock, Roger
does have brain damage. Pus in his brain he said
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/57570b3810b8996f
Nudds aka "news.cogeco.ca" is classically symptomatic
of having early Alzheimer's. It runs in his familiy he posted
somewhere. Nudds is a US expatriate, now in Canada.
"Awe Shit" is damaged goods too, from the simple pov
that he wants to sell his "thing" but drives all his potential
customers away.... **a brilliant strategy by Exxon to have
hired him to do their dirty work... for free! **.. ahahahaha....
Hey, you "Awe Shit" aka Lion Kuntz, you don't get it, don't
you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
(((( Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" hired to lie for Exxon's profits ))))
Exxon Pays Liars
hanson wrote:
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
HaHa Hanson has to take Exxon's Dick out of mouth long enough to shove
a bucket of Exxon Brown Turds in his face with both hands.
hanson
..... ahahahaha.... HAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
"Lion Kuntz" aka Loin Cunts aka "Awe Shit" aka "Palace Troll"
or "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones" aka
<Global.Warming at ARMY.com> / " <Net_Police at h2-pv.us>
aka "Exxon Pays Liars" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
davee
Na na na na na I ride a pushbike, I ride a pushbike, I ride a pushbike.
Exxon Crime Spree
hanson wrote:
> ..... ahahahaha.... HAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
Are you making FUN of Exxon, those moneygrubbers who tell lies to
obtain GREEN money?
hanson
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(((( Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" hired to lie for Exxon's profits ))))
..... ahahahaha.... HAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
"Lion Kuntz" aka "Awe Shit" aka "Loin Cunts" aka "Palace Troll"
aka "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones" aka
<Global.Warming at ARMY.com> / " <Net_Police at h2-pv.us>
aka "Exxon Pays Liars" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us> aka
"Exxon Crime Spree" <Exxon.RICO.Frauds at ecovilliage.us> >
>
>
[hanson]
..... the very best is "Awe Shit"s own chosen subject line
=== Re: HoHo Hanson with Exxon's Dick in his mouth said:
=== Exxon hires intermediaries who hires HUNDREDS of
=== surrogates like Bawana to lie on Exxon's behalf.
... ahahaha... "brilliant", when you consider that
****************************************************
"Awe Shit"/Loin Kuntz is one of these hired surrogates
****************************************************
-- who like the other one, the hilarious Scott Nudds aka
Vendickarse DickArian aka "news.cogeco.ca" -- are laboring
and posting so successfully to portray the enviros as even
more stupid & fanatical than they already are.... ahahaha...
>
[Bob Kolker]
you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
hanson
news:1168238911....@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Na na na na na I ride a pushbike,
> I ride a pushbike, I ride a pushbike.
>
ahaha... yo, Kiwi, of course, that does have a lot to do with Loin
Cuntz's lieing for Exxon's profits, when you so triple emphatically
refer to your velocipede. Thanks for the laughs, but I doubt that
"Awe Shit" will get it, unless he powers his own rusty hemicycle
with his "h2-pv.us from Global.Warming by his Net_Police .com"
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Exxon Crime Spree
a bucket of Exxon Brown Turds in his face with both hands.
hanson wrote:
> You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, poor sod.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
Suck that rich-ass Dick, Hanson, Suck it, schlurp, schlurp, schlurp,
and keep us all informed of gossip you overhear while you're down there.
hanson
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(((( Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" hired to lie for Exxon's profits ))))
you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
Exxon Crime Spree
a bucket of Exxon Brown Turds in his face with both hands.
hanson wrote:
> You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, poor sod.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
Yes, people with EXXON'S DICK in their mouths usually say that. It's
not true but they say it over and over.
You get your figures straight from Exxon, in whose interest it is to
delay H2-PV as long as possible.
If you don't buy your PV from from the Price-Fixer Cartel that forces
$7/watt on the world, then you could buy it from 60,000 free
independent American small- and medium-size business with investments
about the same as a corner Dry Cleaners. They will be able to sell you
PV at $0.30/watt (thirty cents) in ten years as competition and a "FREE
MARKET" put the price where it ought to be, but first a lot of them are
going to become millionaires in a year or two selling at $3/watt,
$2.50/watt, $1.99/watt, $1.55/watt, $0.99/watt.
The furnace costs less than an SUV and the technology is way more
simple than an SUV. Even the technology of the CD player in the SUV is
more complicated. That's why so many people will be able to enter the
business, because it has a fairly cheap entry price.
Seven wheelbarrows of sand, some electricity, some scrap aluminum, and
you have 2 wheelbarrows of silicon PV cast polycrystal blocks ready for
sawing.
Use FREE open-source public domain patents # 4588571, # 4457903, and #
4572812 as one pathway if you are near a city or town with a lot of
used beer cans for the aluminum.
Combined these three, among millions of expired patent teachings, can
turn common sand into Silicon PV using seven wheelbarrows of sand per
day to go to 2 wheelbarrows of PV crystal blocks for $0.06 (six cents)
worth of materials and electricity at known published costs.
http://h2-pv.us/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Bulk_Sand
If cheap $1.23/pound scrap aluminum is scarce in your neighborhood,
then use copper -- it costs more but it is recyclable in the process
and you buy it once and use it many times. See expired patent # 4822585
(ironically patented by an Aluminum company, Alcoa) for complete
instructions how to do it.
Or try Rice Hulls if you're in a southern state, although wheat hulls
and barley hull will also work in the breadbasket. Exxon's patent #
4214920 expired seven years ago already. Enjoy putting Exxon out of the
energy business using their own inventions.
There are scores of pathways, unstoppable multiple choices around every
obstacle that the Price-Fixer Cartel can throw at you. Why use the
expensive "Siemens Process" when there are 5 dozen Siemens patents
expired? Use Texas Instruments or IBM technologies, or over 100 patents
from Olin corporation. All kinds of expired Satandard Oil, Mobil,
Chevron, Arco, Solarex, BP, Shell and Exxon patents free for the taking.
hanson
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(((( Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" hired to lie for Exxon's profits ))))
you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
hanson
(((( Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" hired to lie for Exxon's profits ))))
Exxon Crime Spree
a bucket of Exxon Brown Turds in his face with both hands.
hanson wrote:
> You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, poor sod.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
So you approve of lying paid agents by Rich Brown Turds who tell any
lies any time to keep screwing the public. They're laughing at you,
idiot, because you don't even make pocket change out of helping them
screw you.
davee
yo to you too!
Exxon Crime Spree
a bucket of Exxon Brown Turds in his face with both hands.
davee wrote:
> yo to you too!
hanson
sod. They do liken you to a dolphin that is breathing through
an asshole on the top of its head... ahahahaha...
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(((( Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" hired to lie for Exxon's profits ))))
..... ahahahaha.... HAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
"Lion Kuntz" aka "Awe Shit" aka "Loin Cunts" aka "Palace Troll"
aka "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones"
aka <Global.Warming at ARMY.com> / " <Net_Police at h2-pv.us>
aka "Exxon Pays Liars" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
aka "Exxon Crime Spree" <Exxon.RICO.Frauds at ecovilliage.us> >
aka "Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You?"
>
[hanson]
..... the very best is "Awe Shit"s own chosen subject line
=== Re: HoHo Hanson with Exxon's Dick in his mouth said:
=== Exxon hires intermediaries who hires HUNDREDS of
=== surrogates like Bawana to lie on Exxon's behalf.
... ahahaha... "brilliant", when you consider that
****************************************************
"Awe Shit"/Loin Kuntz is one of these hired surrogates
****************************************************
-- who like the other one, the hilarious Scott Nudds aka
Vendickarse DickArian aka "news.cogeco.ca" -- are laboring
and posting so successfully to portray the enviros as even
more stupid & fanatical than they already are.... ahahaha...
>
[Bob Kolker]
Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars
hanson wrote:
> You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, you poor
> sod.
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
HaHa Hanson has to take Exxon's Dick out of mouth long enough to shove
hanson
You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, you poor
an asshole on the top of its head... ahahahaha...
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(((( Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" hired to lie for Exxon's profits ))))
..... ahahahaha.... HAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... ahahaha...
"Lion Kuntz" aka "Awe Shit" aka "Loin Cunts" aka "Palace Troll"
aka "Hohoho Hanson Loves Brown Turds, not Green Ones"
aka <Global.Warming at ARMY.com> / " <Net_Police at h2-pv.us>
aka "Exxon Pays Liars" <Exxon.Lies at ecovilliage.us>
aka "Exxon Crime Spree" <Exxon.RICO.Frauds at ecovilliage.us> >
aka "Hanson Sucked Me, Did He Suck You?"
aka "Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars"
you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars
hanson wrote:
> You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, you poor
> sod. They do liken you to a dolphin that is breathing through
> an asshole on the top of its head... ahahahaha...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
HaHa Hanson has to take Exxon's Dick out of mouth long enough to shove
hanson
sod. They do liken you to a dolphin that is breathing through
an asshole on the top of its head... ahahahaha...
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(((( Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit" hired to lie for Exxon's profits ))))
you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars
a bucket of Exxon Brown Turds in his face with both hands.
hanson wrote:
> You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, you poor
> sod. They do liken you to a dolphin that is breathing through
> an asshole on the top of its head... ahahahaha...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
HaHa Hanson has to take Exxon's Dick out of mouth long enough to shove
Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars
a bucket of Exxon Brown Turds in his face with both hands.
hanson wrote:
> You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, you poor
> sod. They do liken you to a dolphin that is breathing through
> an asshole on the top of its head... ahahahaha...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
HaHa Hanson has to take Exxon's Dick out of mouth long enough to shove
hanson
This cranks you, "Awe Shit", doesn't it?
ahahahaha... ahahahaha....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/cb13f59bd8a5a060
hanson
You've just fucked up again and it cranked you
because you were too fanatic & hit the send button
to early when you realized how stupid you were
ahahahaha... ahahahaha....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/cb13f59bd8a5a060
Crooked Exxon Crooked Hired Liars
a bucket of Exxon Brown Turds in his face with both hands.
hanson wrote:
> You still don't get it. They're ROTFLTAO over you, poor sod.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> you! It's above and beyond your ken to notice that you are
> fucking yourself and Exxon is helping you... laughing their
> rich ass off... ahahahaha... ahahaha... ahahahahanson
HaHa Hanson has to take Exxon's Dick out of mouth long enough to shove