Is "teranews" actually a free public nntp USENET news server?

[Tony Palermo]

Reading the http://www.teranews.com web page, it 'says' it's a free nntp
public USENET news server.

But I don't see how to set it up?

They say to use the news server: public.teranews.com
Then they say to add @teranews.com to the end of your user name.

So how do you get a username for free to post using Teranews?

Later in the web page, they say to create an account here:
http://www.teranews.com/createaccount.html

But I still don't see the free option for posting to the USENET.

Is "teranews" actually a free public nntp USENET news server, or do they
just 'say' they are - but they lie?

[Mark Blain]

Tony Palermo <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in
news:kbane1$5hc$1...@dont-email.me:

See here for explanation:
http://www.teranews.com/serverlist.html

The last time I checked, "public" was offline.

[Jon Danniken]

Be careful with teranews; after paying to setup my "free" account my
password no longer worked, and they refused to even answer emails.

Sure, it was only a few bucks, but I don't like getting scammed,
regardless of the dollar amount.

Jon

[Mike Easter]

Tony Palermo wrote:

> Newsgroups: news.software.readers,alt.comp.freeware,alt.free.newsservers

Reckless crosspost modified to f/ups alt.free.newsservers

Your message has nothing to do with freeware or newsreaders.

> Reading the http://www.teranews.com web page, it 'says' it's a free nntp
> public USENET news server.

That is not exactly what it says. It says you can pay $3.95 one time
for registration and call that 'free' if you want to because it is
non-recurring. But you could pay half that much for some non-expiring
block account and have 2G which would probably last 'forever' for text
newsing.

Tera also has a truly free server with no reg free, but you can't post
on it.

> But I don't see how to set it up?

You failed to comprehensively read the page you cited. That page
provides a link to a complete explanation. It says:

"Click here to see the list of free and paid servers."
http://www.teranews.com/serverlist.html

> They say to use the news server: public.teranews.com
> Then they say to add @teranews.com to the end of your user name.

No. That is not what it says. On the page I cited, it says no account
is needed for public.tera and therefore no user/pass.

> So how do you get a username for free to post using Teranews?

You pay $3.95 and register. Pretty much everyone agrees that that isn't
free.

> Later in the web page, they say to create an account here:
> http://www.teranews.com/createaccount.html
>
> But I still don't see the free option for posting to the USENET.
>
> Is "teranews" actually a free public nntp USENET news server, or do they
> just 'say' they are - but they lie?

There are advantages to tera to have a $3.95 registration fee. There
are advantages to tera to not allow posting for the free server.

There are more advantages to you to either get a truly free news account
or to get a cheaper block account such as $2 non-expiring which has more
privileges than tera's $4 reg fee.



--
Mike Easter

[Tony Palermo]

Mike Easter wrote:

> Your message has nothing to do with freeware or newsreaders.

Thanks for that advice - I wasn't sure whom to post to.

> you can pay $3.95 one time for registration and call that 'free'

Hmmm... that's not free.

> Tera also has a truly free server with no reg free,
> but you can't post on it.

Reading news is no better than groups.google.com so it's not of use.

> You pay $3.95 and register.
> Pretty much everyone agrees that that isn't free.

Ah. They lied. Thanks for clarifying.

On my quest for a truly free purposefully public nntp news server for the
most common text-only newsgroups, I find it hard to believe there are
only the five I've found (only three of which actually work).
1. aioe
2. eternal september
3. albasani

So I'll keep looking as there must be more. Thanks for the advice.

[Mike Dee]

In article <kbane1$5hc$1...@dont-email.me>,

Its a _news server_ Tony. Please restrict your lame questions to a
relevant _news group_ and please don't x-post to those that have no
interest on your topic's subject at hand.

Thank you for your time. Please don't waste ours.

--
dee

[VanguardLH]

NOTE: Tony's shotgunning abuse of cross-posting to off-topic newsgroups
was thwarted by modifying the Newsgroups header in my reply. This is
NOT an issue with a newsreader nor with freeware and applies only to the
setup for use of a news (NNTP) server.

Original newsgroups:
news.software.readers (off-topic newsgroup, omitted)
alt.comp.freeware (off-topic newsgroup, omitted)
alt.free.newsservers (on-topic newsgroup, retained)

"Tony Palermo" wrote (with 1-line paragraphing restructured):

You never mentioned having *paid* their $3.95 "setup fee" for their
"free" service that has a 50 MB/day quota cap. You never mentioned
getting their e-mail for your login credentials. You did not create an
account; else, you would see there is a charge for setup.

On that Create Account web page, did you ever actually click the "Create
New Account" button to see the conditions and costs for each account
type? If you had then you would have noticed that you must:

- Give them your credit card number.
- Select the "free" 50MB/day plan so they can *charge* for their $3.95
one-time (per account) setup fee using your credit card.
- Provide a valid e-mail address to receive your login credentials.

Only if you ignore their setup fee is their service free. They claim
"Our news server carries all newsgroups." At a 50 MB/day download cap
for their "free" account, it won't take long to deplete that quota if
you yank from binaries. It's okay if you only visit text newsgroups.

[Free Willy]

"Tony Palermo" <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in message
news:kbane1$5hc$1...@dont-email.me...

They don't lie. When they say they have a free news server
it's the truth because they DO have a free news server.

So, yes, it is free. I've had a free teranews account for years
and it's still working and there's still no charge. I did have to
submit a one-time sign up fee that they use so spammers
don't take over. It was a paltry $3.95, if I recall correctly.

Some people make the false claim that sign-up fee makes
it not a free NSP but I disagree. For example, if somebody
told you that in exchange for a sign-up fee you could pump
gasoline into your car's tank in perpetuity you would go
around saying you get free gasoline because you WOULD
be getting free gasoline. You never had to pay one red cent
for any of that gasoline. The only money you spent was in
exchange for enrolling you in the program. IOW, the enrollment
cost you a fee - not the gasoline.

In like manner, with free teranews the enrollment fee cost you
a paltry sum while the news service costs you nothing going
forward - so the news service is indeed free and those morons
who tell you to get off alt.free.newsservers should just shut their
ignorant yaps because the more they yammer the less informed
they sound.

--
Sir Gregory

[VanguardLH]

Note: The following off-topic newsgroups were omitted from my reply:

news.software.readers
alt.comp.freeware

"Free Willy" wrote:

> "Tony Palermo" wrote ...

>
>> Reading the http://www.teranews.com web page, it 'says' it's a free nntp
>> public USENET news server.

>> ...

>> Is "teranews" actually a free public nntp USENET news server,
>> or do they just 'say' they are - but they lie?
>
> They don't lie. When they say they have a free news server
> it's the truth because they DO have a free news server.

Well, that is true for the READ-ONLY public server. You can read from
there. You cannot post to there.

> Some people make the false claim that sign-up fee makes
> it not a free NSP but I disagree. For example, if somebody
> told you that in exchange for a sign-up fee you could pump
> gasoline into your car's tank in perpetuity you would go
> around saying you get free gasoline because you WOULD
> be getting free gasoline.

Not if you were charged a $100,000 membership fee before you pump out
the first drop.

Yes sir, the service is completely free; however, first you must pay:
- A signup fee.
- Taxes on the claimed value of the services.
- Surcharges levied by your local gov't for non-taxed services.
- And this fee.
- And that fee.
- And, wait, there'll be more fees charge to your credit card that we're
not going to tell you about now.
But, yes, the *service* is free but not ACCESSING that service.

Here, mister hobo, is a free meal at the mission. Whoa! You can't come
in the door to eat until you pay the $5 cover charge. Oh yeah, it's a
free meal but you have to PAY to get at it.

This is like saying PC Magazine's utilities are free. WRONG!. They
were once but then they made users PAY to gain access to download their
"free" utilities. Sorry, but if ANY money comes out of your pocket then
it was not free to you.

A service or product that is discounted 100% is not free if you still
have to pay to ACCESS that service or product.

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�]

"VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:kbd22v$gcp$1...@news.albasani.net...

You are such a dope! Free Teranews means free reading
and free posting.

It doesn't cost one red cent to read or to post. The only thing
that costs folks is a paltry, $3.95, one-time registration
fee.

What don't you get about a registration FEE? Friggin' stupid
idiot! Let's say you register an automobile so you can obtain
a license plate. You pay a registration fee. That fee gets you
a license plate. It pays for the staff time, effort and the plate
itself.

You attach that license plate to your vehicle and, off you go,
driving down the road. You aren't paying for driving down the
road. That's free (not counting the fuel tax). But you did have
to pay for the registration which payment only went for the
registration.


In the case of a free news server, that means you submit a
pittance registration fee that pays for registering you and
your ID and password which allows you to access the FREE
account they set up on their server for you. Once logged onto
this FREE account you can download and post to newsgroups
you are interesting in subscribing to. The use of this free
account will not cost you one red cent.

In summary, a free Teranews account which exists on a free
news server is a 100 percent acceptable topic of discussion
here in AFN.

--
Sir Gregory

[Steve Crook]

On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:13:47 -0500, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote in
Message-Id: <679qfl....@news.alt.net>:

> You are such a dope! Free Teranews means free reading
> and free posting.
>
> It doesn't cost one red cent to read or to post. The only thing
> that costs folks is a paltry, $3.95, one-time registration
> fee.

If you pay a fee to register for a service, it's not free. The amount
you pay is irrelevant.

> What don't you get about a registration FEE? Friggin' stupid
> idiot!

Idiocy is using a sock of "Free Willy" and forgetting to change the
signature from "Sir Gregory". :)

Happy Yule!

--
And with glasses high we raised a cry for freedom had arrived

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�]

"Steve Crook" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
news:slrnkdk7c...@snorky.mixmin.net...

I make no secret that "Free Willy" = "Gregory Hall" = "Wilbur Hubbard" (alas
poor Wilbur went the way of Octanews). I use different nyms on different
servers just so it's easier to keep them all straight.

That's where you went wrong, Steve. Blocking Gloria and giving me a ration of
shit for 'sock puppets' was a crass and idiotic thing for you to do.
Conspiring with the Banana Boi to kick "Wesley Mouch" off Motzarella was also
one of the dumber things you ever did. I never morphed from Gloria when I was
using free Mixmin and I didn't morph Wesley Mouch when using Motzarella yet
you and the BananaBoi seemed to think I had dozens of socks on your lame
servers. You got all paranoid about it when I'm just using different nyms on
different servers which seems to me makes more sense than not.

--
Sir Gregory

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�]

"Steve Crook" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
news:slrnkdk7c...@snorky.mixmin.net...

\

> If you pay a fee to register for a service, it's not free. The amount
> you pay is irrelevant.

WRONG. Try to read with comprehension. Paying a fee for
REGISTERING means you paid for the registration. You are
NOT paying for the use of the free server. Good grief but
some people are so dumb it's like talking to a amoeba.

> Happy Yule!

Same to ya. You ain't as bad as I enjoy portraying you on this
theatre of the mind stage. Gloria and Wesley also wish you
a happy new year.

--
Sir Gregory

[Anonymous]

Notice how he responds to "free willy" posts...

Capt...@gmail.com

Neal D. Warren/Wilbur Hubbard/Gregory Hall
PO Box 1015
Tavernier, FL 33070
305 304-7546

====

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

[Shmuel Metz]

In <Q2mCs.31824$sm1....@newsfe22.iad>, on 12/25/2012

at 01:15 PM, "Free Willy" <free...@invalid.invalid> said:

>They don't lie. When they say they have a free news server it's the
>truth because they DO have a free news server.

FSVO truth. The word "free" doesn't mean paltry sum, and, despite the
fraudulent ads, it doesn't mean that the price for something includes
something else.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT <http://patriot.net/~shmuel>

Unsolicited bulk E-mail subject to legal action. I reserve the
right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. Reply to
domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not
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[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�]

"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
message news:50db0646$59$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...

> In <Q2mCs.31824$sm1....@newsfe22.iad>, on 12/25/2012
> at 01:15 PM, "Free Willy" <free...@invalid.invalid> said:
>
>>They don't lie. When they say they have a free news server it's the
>>truth because they DO have a free news server.
>
> FSVO truth. The word "free" doesn't mean paltry sum, and, despite the
> fraudulent ads, it doesn't mean that the price for something includes
> something else.
>

Listen up, you dolt! If you go to a department store that advertises
"free ten-dollar gift certificate for every 100 dollars spent" you would
tell your friends that you got a free ten dollar gift certificate because
you spent 100 bucks. You were going to spend 100 bucks anyway
so the ten dollars is, indeed, 'free.'

The same thing applies to a registration fee. You are charged
for registering. You are NOT charged for using the free server
the registration allows you to access.

You go into a fast food establishment that advertises, "But one
Big Mac and get another free." The price for the first Big Mac
is the regular price so you do, indeed, get the second one free.
You don't go around saying you paid half price each for two
Big Macs.

Get a clue, fool!

--
Sir Gregory

[WildCard]

In article <kbane1$5hc$1...@dont-email.me>,
Tony Palermo <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote:

>Reading the http://www.teranews.com web page, it 'says' it's a free nntp
>public USENET news server.
>
>But I don't see how to set it up?

At one point, Teranews was completely free, accounts were given to
anyone who emailed them asking for one. I got my account from them
back in 2005 or 2006. By that point, they had instituted a one-time
$3.95 sign-up fee to get an account. I am not sure when this fee was
put into place. Bubbanews, which is run by Teranews, has the same
sign-up fee (separate accounts for the two though, so to use both you
need to sign-up and pay for each separately).

Looking at the Teranews server list, there are still two free
no-account-required servers available. However, these are beta
servers that may go offline when their capacity is reached.

Hope this answers your question.

Wayne

--
"By the time one can afford the wardrobe, the opportunity to make the
most of it is usually fading away."
--- responce to my statement "I am still asking the same questions
I did a decade ago, but at least now I can afford the wardrobe."

[Mike Easter]

Sir wrote:

> Let's say you register an automobile so you can obtain
> a license plate. You pay a registration fee. That fee gets you
> a license plate. It pays for the staff time, effort and the plate
> itself.
>
> You attach that license plate to your vehicle and, off you go,
> driving down the road. You aren't paying for driving down the
> road. That's free (not counting the fuel tax). But you did have
> to pay for the registration which payment only went for the
> registration.
>
>
> In the case of a free news server, that means you submit a
> pittance registration fee that pays for registering you and
> your ID and password which allows you to access the FREE
> account they set up on their server for you. Once logged onto
> this FREE account you can download and post to newsgroups
> you are interesting in subscribing to. The use of this free
> account will not cost you one red cent.
>
> In summary, a free Teranews account which exists on a free
> news server is a 100 percent acceptable topic of discussion
> here in AFN.

I think your automobile registration is a pretty good analogy for the
conditions of accessing free.tera.news.

Accessing public highways with an automobile is 'conditional', not
'unfettered' and completely free of conditions. There are a lot of
conditions and requirements and responsibilities involved with using an
automobile on 'free' or public or 'toll-free' highways.

Accessing free.tera is conditional with limitations and the requirement
of paying a registration fee.

Accessing eternal-september is conditional with limitations and
requiring registration but without the requirement of paying.

Accessing aioe is conditional with limitations but without the
requirement of registering or paying a fee.

Heated discussions take place in the alt.comp.freeware group over
differences between freeware, nagware, crippleware, postcardware,
adware, free and opensource, free but not opensource.

One problem with a word like 'free' is that it has significantly
different meanings to different people.

There is a great big privacy problem/difference associated with
registering a news account which requires payment of a fee compared to
the privacy/freedom of registering a news account which does not require
such payment.

That difference is a watershed. Most people don't consider free.tera to
be 'free'. It is economical, but it isn't free. Other news servers
which don't even call themselves free but are genuine commercial
providers could be considered more economical than free.tera, depending
on the style of one's usage.


--
Mike Easter

[tlvp]

Right. Same thing goes for flying on airplanes. Costs nothing to actually
fly on the plane. All that costs is the ticket you show at check-in :-) .

Anyone buying that thinking is a bigger fool than you make Metz out to be.

Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

[Anonymous]

[Tony Palermo]

Mike Easter wrote:

> Accessing free.tera ...requirement of paying a registration fee.
> Accessing eternal-september ... without the requirement of paying.
> Accessing aioe ... without the requirement of registering or paying a fee.

Eternal-September & Aioe are free.

[Tony Palermo]

WildCard wrote:

> Looking at the Teranews server list, there are still two free
> no-account-required servers available. However, these are beta
> servers that may go offline when their capacity is reached.

It seemed that these were read only (which is useless since Google
has a read-only capability so there's no additional need for reading).

Do these two no-account beta servers actually allow text posting?

[suzeeq]

That's what he posted.

[Tony Palermo]

suzeeq wrote:

> That's what he posted.

Yes. I was just summarizing because posting on Teranews is clearly not free
despite anything said on the Teranews web site to the contrary.

TeraNews summary:
1. Reading (which is useless as Google does that) is free.
2. But posting costs money - so it's not free (despite clever terms).

[suzeeq]

Tony Palermo wrote:
> suzeeq wrote:
>
>> That's what he posted.
>
> Yes. I was just summarizing because posting on Teranews is clearly not free
> despite anything said on the Teranews web site to the contrary.
>
> TeraNews summary:
> 1. Reading (which is useless as Google does that) is free.

You can post to google too. Used to be you could sign up with any email
address, but I think you have to have a gmail one to do so now. I can
still post with my yahoo account.

[Tony Palermo]

suzeeq wrote:

> You can post to google too.

IIRC, google betrays your IP address though.

[Steve]

What are you so scared of?

[Shmuel Metz]

In <67c2jh....@news.alt.net>, on 12/26/2012
at 12:44 PM, a retarded fool with delusions of adequacy, calling
himself " Sir Gregory Hall, Esqￜ" <greghall@home.fￜke> said:

>Listen up, you dolt!

Sorry, tonto, but I understood what you wrote; it was BS. But speaking
of dolts, your headers are invalid.

>If you go to a department store that advertises "free ten-dollar
>gift certificate for every 100 dollars spent" you would tell your
>friends that you got a free ten dollar gift certificate because
>you spent 100 bucks.

You're a liar; I would do no such thing. You must work for Madison
Avenue.

[suzeeq]

So what? You want complete anonymity, stay offline.

[Steve Bonine]

On 12/26/12 8:22 PM, Tony Palermo wrote:
> Do these two no-account beta servers actually allow text posting?

There are two names, but they both resolve to the same IP address, and
I've not found a server active at that address in the times I've tried.
So the question is probably moot. But the web site is quite explicit
that posting is not allowed via this "beta" facility.

I'm amused, but not surprised, at how much heat a $3.95 charge has
generated.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Really? They're violating your agreement with them, are they?

[MartinS]

Once you've paid your one-time $3.95 (about the cost of a large Starbucks
mocha), there is no *marginal* cost for posting. In fact, posting is
effectively unlimited, which is great if you want to post binaries.
Although, if you've exceeded your 60GB/mo download limit, your account is
suspended until the beginning of the next month.

I used tera/bubba for all my text and occasional binary posts until their
recent problems, when I switched to my backup binary server, Astraweb.
However, I'll post this one with tera. Incidentally, when I joined tera
there was no sign-up charge, so I've never paid them a penny for many gigs
of uploads and downloads. Any credit card information I supplied is long
out of date.

[Tony Palermo]

suzeeq wrote:

> So what? You want complete anonymity, stay offline.

I don't need 'complete' anonymity - but a little bit of anonymity
would be nice. :)

[Tony Palermo]

Steve wrote:

> What are you so scared of?

Have you seen the nuts on this forum?

[Tony Palermo]

Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Really? They're violating your agreement with them, are they?

From what I remember (using groups.google.com long ago), they put
your IP address in the NNTP-Posting-Header.

Is that not still true?

[Tony Palermo]

Steve Bonine wrote:

> I'm amused, but not surprised, at how much heat a $3.95
> charge has generated.

It 'is' interesting how each of us handles the charge:
a) It's not free (is one attitude)
b) Yes it is free, that 4 bucks is merely a nominal fee (is another)
c) Even so, it's only 4 bucks (is yet another attitude)

All these attitudes are valid.

My "issue" is that you have to give up nothing but your IP address to
post to some nntp servers (e.g., Aioe), while you have to also give up
your email address for others (e.g., eternal september); but for this
particular teranews server, I suspect (but have not validated) that
you must provide much more personal information to the operators
just in order to give them their lousy 4 bucks. :)

I wonder if they take cash in the snail mail?

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�]

"Tony Palermo" <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in message
news:kbih0g$kfb$3...@dont-email.me...

> Steve wrote:
>
>> What are you so scared of?
>
> Have you seen the nuts on this forum?
>

Agreed! That 'suzeeq' is nuts for sure!

--
Sir Gregory

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�]

"Tony Palermo" <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in message

news:kbigvo$kfb$2...@dont-email.me...

Then you should avoid E/S. The BananaBoi, some while back, shared so-called
"confidential" IP number information with another NSP admin, one Steve Crook,
for the express purpose of identifying a nym called "Gloria" I was using at
the time on free Mixmin. Having found out that my E/S nym, one Wesley Mouch,
had the same IP number as the Gloria nym on free Mixmin, Steve Crook blocked
Gloria by flagging her email addy. The BananaBoi then blocked both from his
NSP server(s) and his web page an entire IP backbone Bell South router.
(probably blocked hundreds if not thousands of innocent folks in the process).

No, the chances of you enjoying a little bit of anonymity on E/S is slim and
none.

May I recommend Altopia: https://www.altopia.com/

It's not free but it's cheap and it ALWAYS works and the admin is honest,
above board, accessible for problem resolution and an advocate of free speech.
The only way anybody is going to get your IP information or personal
information is via subpoena for alleged criminal activity.

--
Sir Gregory

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�]

"Tony Palermo" <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in message

news:kbih2f$kfb$4...@dont-email.me...

Depends upon what you use to access Google Groups. Google groups might or
might not have access to your Internet Service Provider number. In some cases
such as with Comcast and Bell South Google Groups lists the registered IP
number of the Comcast or Bell South router that connects to the Internet
backbone. If you read up on the Comcast Cable network, for example you will
learn how they chain their routers and there may be several between the
upstream router that connects to the Internet backbone and the cable modem IP
(sub)number registered to you. Their tech manuals claim everything on the
downstream side of their router connected to the Internet backbone is fire
walled meaning no personal IP numbers can be seen by Google.

HTH.

--
Sir Gregory

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq�]

"Tony Palermo" <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in message

news:kbihdg$kfb$5...@dont-email.me...

Duh, so give them a bunch of bogus crap for personal information. As for
email, give them a throwaway gmail or hotmail account created just for that
purpose. You only need something that works to which they can send you your
log on info. Pay using a soon to be expiring credit card or they might even
take PayPal.

--
Sir Gregory

[RF]

"Oh mirror mirror" is your thing?
Sure as hell YOU aint the virgin pinata!
Although one small grace is your discontinuing your babble
in a.comp.freeware you clueless information sucking pissant.

--
finding aspies missing - Message-ID: <idGdnXMoXoNClUHN...@bt.com>

[Steve Bonine]

On 12/27/12 4:41 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq� wrote:
> "Tony Palermo" <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in message
> news:kbihdg$kfb$5...@dont-email.me...
>> Steve Bonine wrote:
>>
>>> I'm amused, but not surprised, at how much heat a $3.95
>>> charge has generated.
>>
>> It 'is' interesting how each of us handles the charge:
>> a) It's not free (is one attitude)
>> b) Yes it is free, that 4 bucks is merely a nominal fee (is another)
>> c) Even so, it's only 4 bucks (is yet another attitude)
>>
>> All these attitudes are valid.

Indeed. But for the folks who hold a specific one, you would think we
were debating the fate of the free world.

>> My "issue" is that you have to give up nothing but your IP address to
>> post to some nntp servers (e.g., Aioe), while you have to also give up
>> your email address for others (e.g., eternal september); but for this
>> particular teranews server, I suspect (but have not validated) that
>> you must provide much more personal information to the operators
>> just in order to give them their lousy 4 bucks. :)
>>
>> I wonder if they take cash in the snail mail?
>
> Duh, so give them a bunch of bogus crap for personal information. As for
> email, give them a throwaway gmail or hotmail account created just for that
> purpose. You only need something that works to which they can send you your
> log on info. Pay using a soon to be expiring credit card or they might even
> take PayPal.

Some credit cards support generating a one-time account number. This
seems a good occasion to use that functionality.

[VanguardLH]

Note: The following unrelated newsgroups were omitted in my reply:

news.software.readers
alt.comp.freeware

"Tony Palermo" wrote:

> Steve Bonine wrote:
>
>> I'm amused, but not surprised, at how much heat a $3.95
>> charge has generated.
>
> It 'is' interesting how each of us handles the charge:
> a) It's not free (is one attitude)
> b) Yes it is free, that 4 bucks is merely a nominal fee (is another)
> c) Even so, it's only 4 bucks (is yet another attitude)
>
> All these attitudes are valid.
>
> My "issue" is that you have to give up nothing but your IP address to
> post to some nntp servers (e.g., Aioe), while you have to also give up
> your email address for others (e.g., eternal september);

Tis the difference between using a free *unregistered* NNTP provider
versus a free *registered* NNTP provider. Anyone can and does post
through AIOE, including a higher count of trolls, miscreants, and
forgers. Policies, if defined, cannot be enforced since the abuser
isn't registered. They're new on every post. With a registered
service, the abuser can encounter the additional nuisance of having to
reestablish a new account when their old account gets disabled or
deleted provided policies are enforced and the NNTP provider actually
reacts to reports of abuse.

After deciding to flag posts originated from free unregistered NNTP
providers, I wanted to find out which others were known (versus the
registered providers). See all the noise generated by the topic at:

https://groups.google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/browse_frm/thread/2bab876544b8ca7f/470a8a13e6ae98aa

If I had asked how to score/filter on one particular poster then I'd
probably get zero, one, or just a couple replies that were helpful.
When I asked how to score/filter on the type of NNTP provider, geez, a
bunch of users of unregistered providers got inflamed by their choice of
provider (they were afraid me, as just one netizen, wasn't going to see
their oh-so critical and life-changing posts) along with a ton of trolls
(most of whom I already filtered but decided to see all replies to this
thread in case they revealed an unregistered provider or used one as
identified by their headers). I pretty much expected a lot of noise
despite keeping neutral my request. Most respondents were more focused
on why (I wanted to score the sources) than on how (to score) or who (on
which to score).

> but for this
> particular teranews server, I suspect (but have not validated) that
> you must provide much more personal information to the operators
> just in order to give them their lousy 4 bucks. :)

Well, yeah, since you have to give them a valid credit card number
against which they can issue their signup fee. I haven't bothered to
read their terms or policies so I don't know how they handle abusers;
however, it won't take long for an abuser (spammer, troll, miscreant) to
stop re-paying the $4 signup fee after repeatedly getting their current
account killed.

> I wonder if they take cash in the snail mail?

I saw no means for such. I also found no means of using a PayPal
account to pay their signup fee. Credit card validation is also a means
of enforcing an age minimum. Because they have your credit card number
to associate with an account, illegal use of that account can be traced
to you. Plus they need your e-mail address to send to you what they
define as your login credentials.

You might be better off looking at Albasani or Eternal-September both of
which are registered providers. AIOE is doable, too, but I started
flagging posts from there awhile back due to it being an unregistered
provider that is well loved by spammers, trolls, miscreants, and
forgers. The quotas are a bit weird or more contrived at AIOE (it's
owner keeps playing with them and doesn't delineate all of them at his
web site) than expected from other NNTP providers.

[Anonymous]

Notice how he responds to "free willy" posts...

Capt...@gmail.com

Neal D. Warren/Wilbur Hubbard/Gregory Hall
PO Box 1015
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====

[RF]

VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH>wrote:
[edit]

>
>After deciding to flag posts originated from free unregistered NNTP
>providers, I wanted to find out which others were known (versus the
>registered providers). See all the noise generated by the topic at:
>
>https://groups.google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/browse_frm/thread/2bab876544b8ca7f/470a8a13e6ae98aa
>
>If I had asked how to score/filter on one particular poster then I'd
>probably get zero, one, or just a couple replies that were helpful.

Your presumptions only just pip your introverted view of your own
importance, mewing consort.

>When I asked how to score/filter on the type of NNTP provider, geez, a
>bunch of users of unregistered providers got inflamed by their choice of
>provider (they were afraid me, as just one netizen, wasn't going to see
>their oh-so critical and life-changing posts) along with a ton of trolls
>(most of whom I already filtered but decided to see all replies to this

It is very interesting you find Crook and Kerman, along with regulars
from other newsgroups, afraid of you. Just who the fuck are you, some
hopeful remora type hesitant to actually attach?
Reading your ambitious claim (you linked to) I see you got a heap of help,
along with snaring the two contemporary loonies of Usenet, Gully
and Derbyshire.
You got a dime to wager with? Put it on my say you would not know
a troll if it bit you on the ass, your head being waist deep in sand.

>Well, yeah, since you have to give them a valid credit card number
>against which they can issue their signup fee. I haven't bothered to
>read their terms or policies so I don't know how they handle abusers;

You are a fucking liar. You are a whiz on Teranews!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/browse_thread/thread/998874ef209ebeef/ab60f56b424bbe9a?q=%22credit+card%22+legal+teranews

And you are a dumb cunt into the bargain.
It is "Tony" who is doing the trolling, yer blank page of broadsheet.
Two minutes looking and any one of the hooks "Tony" has baited
would be answered. A rube running a linux box has no knowledge
of a search engine. You are one dumb Mofo, n00b.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/browse_thread/thread/44af8efba00ae7c9/b1e52d02c5399e14?q=%22credit+card%22+legal+teranews

--
found missing aspie - Message-ID: <idGdnXMoXoNClUHN...@bt.com>

[VanguardLH]

"RF" wrote:

> Path: ...!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail

And we get yet another example of the type of posters spewing through
AIOE. Blam, blam, shoots himself in both his feet while the rest of us
smirk at his antics.

> It is very interesting you find Crook and Kerman, along with regulars
> from other newsgroups, afraid of you. Just who the fuck are you, some
> hopeful remora type hesitant to actually attach?

That you think anyone is afraid of me (or anyone else) exhibits your
inexperience with Usenet. No one is afraid of anyone else here. No one
is afraid of you, either, despite your childish use of profanity in a
vain attempt to produce shock effect. Adults don't give a gnat's fart
about a poster using profanity. It effects an opposite reaction than
intended: your posts are trivial and just more noise here.

Did I say that I was going to stalk those posters, or attempt to get
their accounts killed, or negatively reply to their posts using some
spew bot, or do ANYTHING negative to their ability to post in Usenet?
That I choose to get eyeglasses with a gradient gray tint affects you or
other eyeglass wearers how? It doesn't so why bitch about my choice of
options in eyewear? Why do you care how I filter Usenet in my own local
NNTP client? Are you, or you on unsolicited behalf of others, really
that worried that I don't see your or their posts? Wow, you've
certainly endowed upon me such great power to wield over you and others
posting through free unregistered NNTP providers. Gee, now I should
figure out an poster age filter to scare all the children (any physical
age) that dump into Usenet.

> Reading your ambitious claim (you linked to) I see you got a heap of help,
> along with snaring the two contemporary loonies of Usenet, Gully
> and Derbyshire.
> You got a dime to wager with? Put it on my say you would not know
> a troll if it bit you on the ass, your head being waist deep in sand.

Via your post the OP and others see an example of why filtering is
important to some netizens, and why scoring can indicate the quality of
posts from that source before even having seen it, like scoring on AIOE
which is your provider and furthering my experience with that source and
why I score on those posters. You really shouldn't shoot yourself in
your own foot with such inane replies. By your reply, you are AIOE's
worst enemy: an AIOE poster who exhibits the traits of why scoring may
be desired by some to eliminate the noise in Usenet.

> You are a fucking liar.

> And you are a dumb cunt into the bargain.
> It is "Tony" who is doing the trolling, yer blank page of broadsheet.

> would be answered. You are one dumb Mofo, n00b.

Yep, you sure have elevated yourself over Tony by your reply, uh huh.
(rolls eyes)

[RF]

VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> took a dose of scat from the
asshole to post:

>"RF" wrote:
>
>> Path: ...!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>
>And we get yet another example of the type of posters spewing through
>AIOE. Blam, blam, shoots himself in both his feet while the rest of us
>smirk at his antics.

So you find my post upsets you so greatly to then shit on "AIOE".
Poor you nancy boy.

>> It is very interesting you find Crook and Kerman, along with regulars
>> from other newsgroups, afraid of you. Just who the fuck are you, some
>> hopeful remora type hesitant to actually attach?
>
>That you think anyone is afraid of me (or anyone else) exhibits your
>inexperience with Usenet. No one is afraid of anyone else here. No one
>is afraid of you, either, despite your childish use of profanity in a
>vain attempt to produce shock effect. Adults don't give a gnat's fart
>about a poster using profanity. It effects an opposite reaction than
>intended: your posts are trivial and just more noise here.
>

Sure as hell got you running off at the mouth again, right after your start
at 10 seconds of stardom, jerk.
Message-ID: <kbj493$hfp$1...@news.albasani.net>

"(they were afraid me, as just one netizen, wasn't going to see
their oh-so critical and life-changing posts)"

>> You are a fucking liar.

You remain a fucking liar.

>> And you are a dumb cunt into the bargain.

And you remain a dumb cunt into the bargain.

>Yep, you sure have elevated yourself over Tony by your reply, uh huh.
>(rolls eyes)

And you are so easily twol'd, as are all you FIGJAM types.
I got me a day to start, setting the economy straight.

FOAD
HTH
HAND

[Nadegda]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:06:19 -0600, RF (Pie Gurl) P...@yahoo.calm WINNER -

KOTM July 2012 wrote:

> Tony Palermo <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote:
>>Steve wrote:
>>
>>> What are you so scared of?
>>
>>Have you seen the nuts on this forum?
>
> "Oh mirror mirror" is your thing?
> Sure as hell YOU aint the virgin pinata! Although one small grace is
> your discontinuing your babble in a.comp.freeware you clueless
> information sucking pissant.

Sez the clueless illucid fuckwit whose post, as usual, is largely
illegible and whose latest morph, as usual, is instantly recognizable.

Surprised to see me, kooky? I've got the whole week between xmas and new
years off and I decided to spend some of today stirring up the pot.

<snicker>

[Nadegda]

That sounds like a pretty broken setup. ALL their customers are behind
NAT? Wouldn't that play havoc with online gaming, among other things that
need a working return address? I'm guessing there's no way for a user to
set up port forwarding there ...

[Nadegda]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 21:39:22 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

> "RF" wrote:
>
>> Path: ...!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>
> And we get yet another example of the type of posters spewing through
> AIOE. Blam, blam, shoots himself in both his feet while the rest of us
> smirk at his antics.

Yeah, that's Murphy for you. Yes, "RF" here is the infamous netkook
Murphy, he of the ten zillion 'nyms also known as phlat_Arse, rH, rN,
murphy, glyph, news in service, Pie Gurl, and fairly recently active here
(last three months) as _kookmeister_, TOSEM, Razortail_Pussy,
gratefuldead, and capa espirito.

And yeah, he did just blam blam his feet off.

NOMINATION: Murphy for December's Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart.

<snicker>

>> It is very interesting you find Crook and Kerman, along with regulars
>> from other newsgroups, afraid of you. Just who the fuck are you, some
>> hopeful remora type hesitant to actually attach?
>
> That you think anyone is afraid of me (or anyone else) exhibits your
> inexperience with Usenet.

Did I mention that Murphy has won the Clueless Newbie of the Month Award
multiple times?

No?

Murphy has won the Clueless Newbie of the Month Award multiple times.

<snicker>

> No one is afraid of anyone else here. No one is afraid of you, either,
> despite your childish use of profanity in a vain attempt to produce
> shock effect. Adults don't give a gnat's fart about a poster using
> profanity. It effects an opposite reaction than intended: your posts
> are trivial and just more noise here.

His posts have been noise in alt.free.newsservers for at least the past
ten years. A mosquito-whine noise that comes and goes and is sometimes
rather loud.

<snicker>

> Did I say that I was going to stalk those posters, or attempt to get
> their accounts killed, or negatively reply to their posts using some
> spew bot, or do ANYTHING negative to their ability to post in Usenet?
> That I choose to get eyeglasses with a gradient gray tint affects you or
> other eyeglass wearers how? It doesn't so why bitch about my choice of
> options in eyewear? Why do you care how I filter Usenet in my own local
> NNTP client? Are you, or you on unsolicited behalf of others, really
> that worried that I don't see your or their posts?

Probably more worried that everyone else will follow suit, and he'll find
himself screeding in a vacuum with no attention ever paid to him again.

<snicker>

> Wow, you've certainly endowed upon me such great power to wield over
> you and others posting through free unregistered NNTP providers. Gee,
> now I should figure out an poster age filter to scare all the children
> (any physical age) that dump into Usenet.

If you ever managed that, it'd give poor Murphy a heart attack. I think
his mental age might actually be a negative number.

<snicker>

>> Reading your ambitious claim (you linked to) I see you got a heap of
>> help, along with snaring the two contemporary loonies of Usenet, Gully
>> and Derbyshire.

Ah, Murphy's neverending obsession rears its head again. Surprise,
surprise.

<snicker>

>> You got a dime to wager with? Put it on my say you would not know a
>> troll if it bit you on the ass, your head being waist deep in sand.

Sed a troll.

<snicker>

> Via your post the OP and others see an example of why filtering is
> important to some netizens, and why scoring can indicate the quality of
> posts from that source before even having seen it, like scoring on AIOE
> which is your provider and furthering my experience with that source and
> why I score on those posters. You really shouldn't shoot yourself in
> your own foot with such inane replies. By your reply, you are AIOE's
> worst enemy: an AIOE poster who exhibits the traits of why scoring may
> be desired by some to eliminate the noise in Usenet.

FWIW, despite such awful examples as the Murphy kook (who, you should be
aware, uses every other free server under the sun as well, and some pay
ones, save, apparently, mixmin), there are good and decent posters that
use AIOE -- kensi, for one.

>> You are a fucking liar.
>> And you are a dumb cunt into the bargain. It is "Tony" who is doing the
>> trolling, yer blank page of broadsheet. would be answered. You are one
>> dumb Mofo, n00b.
>
> Yep, you sure have elevated yourself over Tony by your reply, uh huh.
> (rolls eyes)

Hence the Special Ops Cody nomination, which you might like to second.

<snicker>

[Nadegda]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 04:46:01 -0600, RF (Piezo Girl) P...@yahoo.calm WINNER

- KOTM July 2012 wrote:

> And you are so easily twol'd, as are all you FIGJAM types.

Once more, but in English please.

> I got me a day to start, setting the economy straight.

ROTFL. And how, exactly, are you planning to do that, kooky? Fly all the
way here, go to the US Senate in DC, and filibuster? You've no proven
skills doing anything else *but* motoring your mouth endlessly and
foaming out 700-line anti-Derbyshire screeds, after all.

Problem is, filibustering the Senate wouldn't help avoid the fiscal
cliff, now, would it?

> F<SPANK>

Anymshiftingkooksezwhat?

<snicker>

[Tony Palermo]

Steve Bonine wrote:

>>> All these attitudes are valid.
>
> Indeed. But for the folks who hold a specific one, you would think we
> were debating the fate of the free world.

The older I get, the more I realize that the "personality" of a person
doing the debate determines what answer THEY perceive to be correct.

In this case, there are (at least) three personalities:
1. Any $ required is not free by definition
2. It's free if you change the definition of what the $ is for
3. The nominal $ is so small as to be meaningless either way

If you look at Myers-Briggs types, there are "J" and "P" personalities.

a) Oversimplified, the "J" (judgemental) types basically are uncomfortable
unless/until the whole world to see things the way "they" see things.
b) Oversimplified, the "P" (perceptive) types basically are comfortable
with the way they see things and with how "others" see things.

It is my humble opinion, formed over the years, that ALL the endless
argumentative debate, once the original logic is fleshed out, is due
to the "J" types, as the "P" types simply say their point and end the
discussion if it starts falling into dogmatic definitions such as this
one did.

Since I'm a strong "P", I allow them all to speak their mind, and I
would defend their right to do so with my life.

[Tony Palermo]

Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

> Duh, so give them a bunch of bogus crap for personal information.

A credit card is not 'bogus crap' to be taken lightly.

> As for email, give them a throwaway email

The email isn't the personal-information issue (which is why the free
newsservers that require registration are not an issue with me).

> Pay using a soon to be expiring credit card

I think you take credit card information way too lightly.

Any valid credit card is to be taken very seriously - and - well,
I don't know about you - but I don't have soon-to-be-expired credit
card accounts that I can simply throw away and never use again.

How many credit card companies are out there? I can only think of
Discover, MasterCard, Amex, & Visa.

You can't just lightly never use one of those ever again just
to pay a $4 charge for use of the teranews newserver!

> or they might even take PayPal.

Paypal might work - if - if teranews takes it.

[Tony Palermo]

Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

>> "Tony Palermo" wrote:
>> a little bit of anonymity would be nice. :)
>
> Then you should avoid E/S.

Thanks for that explanation.

I had heard somewhere in passing that eternal september 'sometimes' gives
out your IP address publicly but I wasn't sure how or why, as e/s seems
to obfuscate mine (I hope).

[Tony Palermo]

Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

> May I recommend Altopia: https://www.altopia.com/
> It's not free but it's cheap and it ALWAYS works and the admin is honest

This $72/year Altopia site is new to me so I thank you for suggesting it.

I see it advertises that it carries all the binary groups, none of which
I have any use for.

I wonder if there is a reliable (with respect to privacy) newserver
which doesn't carry the binaries (hence, we presume they'd be cheaper)?

[suzeeq]

I post with E-S and don't see my IP in the headers.

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·]

"Tony Palermo" <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in message

news:kbkppu$6ni$5...@dont-email.me...

> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
>
>> Duh, so give them a bunch of bogus crap for personal information.
>
> A credit card is not 'bogus crap' to be taken lightly.

I can go to the drug store and buy a "preloaded" debit card
which works just like a credit card. No personal information
involved. No bogus crap needed here. The bogus crap I
was talking about was any personal information asked for
in the NSP's forms.

>
>> As for email, give them a throwaway email
>
> The email isn't the personal-information issue (which is why the free
> newsservers that require registration are not an issue with me).
>
>> Pay using a soon to be expiring credit card
>
> I think you take credit card information way too lightly.

Credit, schmedit! Try to keep up. Credit cards are no longer
the only way to pay. Debit cards are viable substitutes. All the
shopping cart needs is a card number and a verifiable balance.
There is nothing to send via UPS or FedEx or USPS so there
is no need for any valid mailing address like in a credit
card.

> Any valid credit card is to be taken very seriously - and - well,
> I don't know about you - but I don't have soon-to-be-expired credit
> card accounts that I can simply throw away and never use again.

One can request his card number be changed at any time. One can
say he lost it right after the charge for the NSP is recorded. He will
be issued a new card and the old number will be no longer associated
with it.

> How many credit card companies are out there? I can only think of
> Discover, MasterCard, Amex, & Visa.

Visit a drug store and look around the gift card section, dude!


--
Sir Gregory

[Tony Palermo]

VanguardLH wrote:

>> I wonder if they take cash in the snail mail?
>
> I saw no means for such.
> I also found no means of using a PayPal account

Thank you very much for checking up on that critical information!

[Jim]

Tony Palermo wrote:

>> or they might even take PayPal.
> Paypal might work - if - if teranews takes it.

Teranews does not take PP.

[Steve]

Tony Palermo wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > What are you so scared of?
>
> Have you seen the nuts on this forum?

And what can these 'nuts' do with an IP address?

[tlvp]

Rats, it was such a fun argument 'til you brought a bit of reality into it!
How could you? Really, now :-) ! Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

[Mike Easter]

Inane crossposting deleted. Posted to afn only, where I read it. The
topic/subthread doesn't belong in any of the groups where it was posted,
much less posted all over hell's half acre.

Tony Palermo wrote:

> If you look at Myers-Briggs types, there are "J" and "P" personalities.

The validity/utility of that personality type categorizing is almost
nil, especially when extracting out only two of the four pairs of
temperaments evaluated by such testing -- E/I S/N T/F N/P.


--
Mike Easter

[cipher]

They don't take PP debit cards either. They're coded, the merchant
instantly knows it is not tied to a checking account or real credit line.

If you have less than $50 on one, you can't use it in most gas stations.
Most hotels won't accept them either...



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[Tony Palermo]

Steve wrote:

> And what can these 'nuts' do with an IP address?

I work for the government and I say things on the net. I would NOT
want what I say on the net in my own time to affect my job with the
government, for example.

If you say that an IP address is just one 'small' piece of
data, then you don't realize how fruitful adding up small
pieces of data can yield big results. Think sigint for example,
or humint.

I once had a TSSI clearance, long ago, and I was simply amazed
at how much 'they' knew about me that I didn't know was 'out there'.

An IP address is just one important piece because it identifies
your communications. If some nutter identifies me, and then
doesn't like that my job and my personal life conflict, I wouldn't
know what they'd do - but - I don't wish to do that simply for
my right to express my true feelings.

Now I will retire this nym as I've said too much already.

[Tony Palermo]

suzeeq wrote:

> I post with E-S and don't see my IP in the headers.

It's not your IP address - but it's an obfuscation of same.
The obfuscation can be unwrapped - and correlated - if one
were to spend the effort to do so.

[Tony Palermo]

Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:

> I can go to the drug store and buy a "preloaded" debit card
> which works just like a credit card.

You're the second person to mention that this capability exists.

I've NEVER seen what you're talking about in a store in my entire life.

What state do you live in that sells them?

And, more importantly, what store sells them?

[suzeeq]

Walmart, grocery stores, drug stores - anyplace that sells gift cards
for various retailers and restaurants.

You purchase them for various denominations - $25, 50, 100 and they're
like a Visa or MC, sometimes American Express.

[Mike Easter]

f/ups to afn

Tony Palermo wrote:

Newsgroups: news.software.readers,alt.comp.freeware,alt.free.newsservers

Do not (cross)post messages into newsgroups which you do not subscribe
to and read.

It appears to me that you do not read the group alt.free.newsservers but
you crosspost messages into that group and expect to read replies to
your crossposted message/s in such places as acf.

If respondents to your message do not similarly crosspost offtopic, then
the thread is forked and you do not see the single group reply.

Do not post messages into groups where your message is offtopic, with
the possible exception of posting a normal non-crossposted message to a
group which content is mostly based on off-topic commentary.

As a general rule, you should not crosspost, and certainly not in an
off-topic manner, and you should never post a message (such as by
crossposting) into a group to which you do not subscribe and read.


--
Mike Easter

[Steve]

Tony Palermo, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > And what can these 'nuts' do with an IP address?
>
> I work for the government

Receiving benefits because of poor mental health is not working for
the government, Paul.

and I say things on the net. I would NOT
> want what I say on the net in my own time to affect my job with the
> government, for example.

Don't say stuff you shouldn't, then.

> If you say that an IP address is just one 'small' piece of
> data, then you don't realize how fruitful adding up small
> pieces of data can yield big results. Think sigint for example,
> or humint.

If you think that any of your posts, no matter how anonymously you
think they've been posted aren't easily identifiable as being you
because of your writing style, than you are deluded. You fool no
one but yourself.

> I once had a TSSI clearance, long ago, and I was simply amazed
> at how much 'they' knew about me that I didn't know was 'out there'.

Yeah, amazing. <rolls eyes>.

> An IP address is just one important piece because it identifies
> your communications. If some nutter identifies me, and then
> doesn't like that my job and my personal life conflict, I wouldn't
> know what they'd do - but - I don't wish to do that simply for
> my right to express my true feelings.
>
> Now I will retire this nym as I've said too much already.

Why bother?
Everyone knows who you are, where you live, what a nutjob you
are...

[Steve]

Reposted because several *free* swervers dropped the original post,
prolly coz it was xposted to alt.paul-derbyshire.fix.it.now

Tony Palermo, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>

> Steve wrote:
>
> > And what can these 'nuts' do with an IP address?
>
> I work for the government

Receiving benefits because of poor mental health is not working for
the government, Paul.

and I say things on the net. I would NOT
> want what I say on the net in my own time to affect my job with the
> government, for example.

Don't say stuff you shouldn't, then.

> If you say that an IP address is just one 'small' piece of
> data, then you don't realize how fruitful adding up small
> pieces of data can yield big results. Think sigint for example,
> or humint.

If you think that any of your posts, no matter how anonymously you
think they've been posted aren't easily identifiable as being you
because of your writing style, than you are deluded. You fool no
one but yourself.

> I once had a TSSI clearance, long ago, and I was simply amazed
> at how much 'they' knew about me that I didn't know was 'out there'.

Yeah, amazing. <rolls eyes>.

> An IP address is just one important piece because it identifies
> your communications. If some nutter identifies me, and then
> doesn't like that my job and my personal life conflict, I wouldn't
> know what they'd do - but - I don't wish to do that simply for
> my right to express my true feelings.
>
> Now I will retire this nym as I've said too much already.

[tlvp]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:20:08 +0000 (UTC), Tony Palermo wrote:

> What state do you live in that sells them?

CT

> And, more importantly, what store sells them?

Shop-Rite, 7-11, Stop'n'Shop, Walmart, Walgreens, CVS, RiteAid, ... .

[Nadegda]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:47:30 +0000, Steve wrote:

> Reposted because several *free* swervers dropped the original post,
> prolly coz it was xposted to alt.paul-derbyshire.fix.it.now

Cleanfeed dropping such worthless articles is a feature, not a bug, kooky.

> Tony Palermo, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:

Paging Dr. Anderson. Eway avehay away aranoidpay ittway inway
Admissionsway, epeatray, aranoidpay ittway inway Admissionsway. Aimsclay
ishay amenay isway "Evestay". Atherray agitatedway. Eedsnay
evaluationway, atstay.

>> Steve wrote:
>>
>> > And what can these 'nuts' do with an IP address?
>>
>> I work for the government
>
> Receiving benefits because of poor mental health is not working for the
> government, Paul.

I don't suppose you have any actual *evidence* that Tony Palermo is
either a) receiving state mental health assistance or b) actually named
Paul?

No, I didn't think so.

Which makes your impugning of another poster's mental health (and
completely without provocation!) quite ironic.

> and I say things on the net. I would NOT
>> want what I say on the net in my own time to affect my job with the
>> government, for example.
>
> Don't say stuff you shouldn't, then.

It's called "free speech", dumbass. And the Supreme Court has, on
multiple occasions, upheld particularly the right to anonymous free
speech.

If Tony wants to state opinions that might be unpopular with the
employing class (the 1%), he has that right. And if he wants to do it
anonymously so as to avoid possible retribution or discrimination because
of his opinions, he has *that* right, too, kooky.

>> If you say that an IP address is just one 'small' piece of data, then
>> you don't realize how fruitful adding up small pieces of data can yield
>> big results. Think sigint for example, or humint.
>
> If you think that any of your posts, no matter how anonymously you think
> they've been posted aren't easily identifiable as being you because of
> your writing style, than you are deluded. You fool no one but yourself.

And what "writing style" would that be?

Nevermind. Obviously you're as delusional as that street-corner kook we
have here who thinks every woman who walks by wearing a red dress is
Marilyn Monroe and who has more restraining orders than dollars to his
name.

>> I once had a TSSI clearance, long ago, and I was simply amazed at how
>> much 'they' knew about me that I didn't know was 'out there'.
>
> Yeah, amazing. <rolls eyes>.
>
>> An IP address is just one important piece because it identifies your
>> communications. If some nutter identifies me, and then doesn't like
>> that my job and my personal life conflict, I wouldn't know what they'd
>> do - but - I don't wish to do that simply for my right to express my
>> true feelings.
>>
>> Now I will retire this nym as I've said too much already.
>
> Why bother?
> Everyone knows who you are, where you live, what a nutjob you are...

As the old saying goes, kooky, it isn't what you don't know, it's what
you know that isn't so.

Well, probably. I can't say with *absolute* certainty that Tony isn't, in
fact, Derbyshire risen from the net.grave (as to be that certain I'd have
to *be* Derbyshire), but given how many people you and other kooks 'round
these parts have k'lamed are Derbyshire and how few (zero!) of those have
been proven, the odds strike me as not being remotely in your favor.

It does give you one small advantage over that street-corner kook that
Marilyn Monroe is actually stone-cold dead, though -- *his* chances of
ever accidentally being correct are a flat zero.

<snicker>

[Dr. Anderson]

Nadegda, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:

> > Tony Palermo, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>
> Paging Dr. Anderson. Eway avehay away aranoidpay ittway inway
> Admissionsway, epeatray, aranoidpay ittway inway Admissionsway. Aimsclay
> ishay amenay isway "Evestay". Atherray agitatedway. Eedsnay
> evaluationway, atstay.

Ehay ashay ouyay angbay otay ightsray, Aulpay. Allway ouryay
ostspay ellsmay ikelay erbyshireday oppingsdray andway osay
areway instantlyway ecognizableray. BTWAY, ouyay eallyray
ouldshay ooklay upway ethay efinitionday ofway ironicway, ouyay
illucidway uckwitfay.
Opehay isthay elpshay.

[Lady Veteran]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:04:39 -0000, Steve <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>Tony Palermo, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>>
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>> > And what can these 'nuts' do with an IP address?
>>
>> I work for the government
>
>Receiving benefits because of poor mental health is not working for
>the government, Paul.
>
> and I say things on the net. I would NOT
>> want what I say on the net in my own time to affect my job with the
>> government, for example.
>
>Don't say stuff you shouldn't, then.

If one wants to be an ass on Usenet, then they should stand behind
their drivel. Behavior on a public forum should affect your job if it
is of a nature intended to ruin the life of someone else.

>
>> If you say that an IP address is just one 'small' piece of
>> data, then you don't realize how fruitful adding up small
>> pieces of data can yield big results. Think sigint for example,
>> or humint.
>
>If you think that any of your posts, no matter how anonymously you
>think they've been posted aren't easily identifiable as being you
>because of your writing style, than you are deluded. You fool no
>one but yourself.

True. Even anonymous remailers can be cracked if given enough time.

>
>> I once had a TSSI clearance, long ago, and I was simply amazed
>> at how much 'they' knew about me that I didn't know was 'out there'.
>
>Yeah, amazing. <rolls eyes>.

I did as well and I am not amazed or surprised.

>
>> An IP address is just one important piece because it identifies
>> your communications. If some nutter identifies me, and then
>> doesn't like that my job and my personal life conflict, I wouldn't
>> know what they'd do - but - I don't wish to do that simply for
>> my right to express my true feelings.
>>
>> Now I will retire this nym as I've said too much already.
>
>Why bother?
>Everyone knows who you are, where you live, what a nutjob you
>are...

It is the nutjobs who try to hide and harass. That makes them
dangerous.

LV

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[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·]

"Lady Veteran" <arm...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:4ol0e81e5gci400q8...@4ax.com...

>
> True. Even anonymous remailers can be cracked if given enough time.

Dumbass fat ass!!!

--
Sir Gregory

[cipher]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:20:48 +0000, Gary Burnore wrote:

> In alt.usenet.kooks Lady Veteran <arm...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> It is the nutjobs who try to hide and harass. That makes them
>> dangerous.
>

> Gweggie hides. Check.
> Crappantz hides. Check.
> Nads-et-al hides. Check.
> You support them. Check.
>
> Dumbass.

"Some anon posters are more equal than others..."

[Nadegda]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:47:37 +0000, Dr. Anderson, a transparent Steve
sock wrote:

> Nadegda, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:

Aranoidpay.

<snicker>

No, your pal Murphy is the illucid fuckwit. But then, you're nearly as
delusional a kook as he is, so what would you know?

[Dr. Kensinga]

Nadegda, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:47:37 +0000, Dr. Anderson, a transparent Steve
>sock wrote:
>
>> Nadegda, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>
>Aranoidpay.
>

Obsessinga.

><snicker>
>
?
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/vyl9x

>>> > Tony Palermo, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>>>
>>> Paging Dr. Anderson. Eway avehay away aranoidpay ittway inway
>>> Admissionsway, epeatray, aranoidpay ittway inway Admissionsway.
>>> Aimsclay ishay amenay isway "Evestay". Atherray agitatedway. Eedsnay
>>> evaluationway, atstay.
>>
>> Ehay ashay ouyay angbay otay ightsray, Aulpay. Allway ouryay ostspay
>> ellsmay ikelay erbyshireday oppingsdray andway osay areway instantlyway
>> ecognizableray. BTWAY, ouyay eallyray ouldshay ooklay upway ethay
>> efinitionday ofway ironicway, ouyay illucidway uckwitfay.
>> Opehay isthay elpshay.
>
>No, your pal Murphy is the illucid fuckwit. But then, you're nearly as
>delusional a kook as he is, so what would you know?

Eachinga dreaminga inflictsupia anyona hazardinga inupia slenderizingona
slowerita toothlessupia flatita quaona oviraptoridos.

--

Pyrneyl Cnhy lbh ner nflyhz sbqqre. Yhpx gb lbh va 2013 va svaqvat n
cynpr sbe gung fbsg ynaqvat.

[anominous]

You smack the Palermo pinata well but beware
that is not the tasty candy that pours from the papier-mache beast
it is the Derbyshire droppings and he hears *loud* noises at his window.

[Dustin]

Tony Palermo <to...@yourbasicyahooemail.com> wrote in news:kblk0o$bem$3
@dont-email.me:

I suppose I'm the third person to mention this then. I've seen these cards
in Walgreens, Walmart (Walmart has their own thing now, called bluebird;
but you can still get the reloadable walmart visa's for a little longer).

I've seen the prepaid visa cards in sunoco and BP gas stations. Shell and
exxon stations as well.

I've also seen them in krogers.


--
My take home pay isn't enough to take me home!

[Dustin]

suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote in news:kbluls$qi1$1...@dont-email.me:

Except, not everyone will take them. Case in point, I can't use one to
renew my drivers license in the state of TN online. I'll have to use a
"real credit/debit" card that's actually tied to my real name. lol.

[Nadegda]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:42:24 +0000, Dr. Kensinga wrote:

> Nadegda, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock<MUSHROOM CLOUD>

Nutter.

> X-Complaints-To: ab...@shared-secrets.com
^ ^ ^
In case of "anyone is actually bothered by this nitwit's morphing his
From addy for every post lately" emergency, break glass.

<snicker>

[Nadegda]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:46:18 +0000, anominous (Pie Gurl) P...@yahoo.calm

WINNER - KOTM July 2012 wrote:

> You smack the Palermo pinata well but beware that is not the tasty candy
> that pours from the papier-mache beast it is the Derbyshire droppings
> and he hears *loud* noises at his window.

Hi kooky. Morphing again so soon? Still can't spell or speak
straightforwardly without kooky circumlocutions, I see, though it seems
you're slowly getting the hang of capital letters these days.

[Nadegda]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:47:37 -0500, meow (Pie Gurl) P...@yahoo.calm WINNER

- KOTM July 2012 wrote:

> Bigfoot Derbyshire (size 5) howled into the open wilds:

>>On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:46:18 +0000, anominous (Pie Gurl) P...@yahoo.calm
>>WINNER - KOTM July 2012 wrote:
>>
>>> You smack the Palermo pinata well but beware that is not the tasty
>>> candy that pours from the papier-mache beast it is the Derbyshire
>>> droppings and he hears *loud* noises at his window.
>>

> IAWTP

Of course you do, since the above text was written by another of your
socks.

"One name per group, from any server"
--Murphy

How ironic.

> .. mostly "plop plop" as the rube shits his longjohns competing with
> Crappantz Gulley for loony maroon 2012.

TMI, kooky. But since you've mentioned your little "accident", I might as
well give you some genuine and useful advice, since I'm generous that
way: Use bleach when you wash your longjohns.

>>Hi kooky. Morphing again so soon? Still can't spell or speak
>>straightforwardly without kooky circumlocutions, I see, though it seems
>>you're slowly getting the hang of capital letters these days.
>

> Circumlocutory connections for AFN are the spun up early March hares in
> your head doing the ice hockey routine.

How ironic.

> Teranews is free and not Free.

How kooky.

[anominous]

In article <Z86Es.25312$3S5....@newsfe18.iad>,meow wrote:
>BigfooL Derbyshire (size 5) howled into the open wilds:

>>On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:46:18 +0000, anominous wrote:
>>
>>> You smack the Palermo pinata well but beware that is not the tasty candy
>>> that pours from the papier-mache beast it is the Derbyshire droppings
>>> and he hears *loud* noises at his window.
>>

>IAWTP

>.. mostly "plop plop" as the rube shits his longjohns

That loony Duhbyshire streams the steaming manure like the horse in the
carrot patch.

>competing with Crappantz Gulley for loony maroon 2012.
>

Paul has it in the bag

[Nadegda]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:02:47 +0000, anominous (Pie Gurl) P...@yahoo.calm

WINNER - KOTM July 2012 wrote:

[silent followup-to denied, cowardly kook]

> In article <Z86Es.25312$3S5....@newsfe18.iad>,meow wrote:
>>BigfooL Derbyshire (size 5) howled into the open wilds:

^
Kookiness is ...

... postediting while following up to one of your own sock puppets.

<snicker>

> That loony Duhbyshire streams the steaming manure like the horse in the
> carrot patch.

Oh god no, not *another* blown irony meter! Aaaaargh!

<snicker>

>>competing with Crappantz Gulley for loony maroon 2012.
>

> P<SLAP!>

Melt some more for the Tetrarchy. I want to see some more huge, foaming,
700-line rants about how free newsserver admins won't just meekly do as
they're told, not these piddling little ten-line tardisms you've been
posting recently. At least you're back to being kooky enough to hold
conversations with your own sockpuppets again, like you did in
alt.pets.birds.cockatiels that time, but come on, we *know* you are
capable of much more vigorous froth! Screed like there's no tomorrow! You
know you want to!

<snicker>

[anominous]

In article <kbqm9u$he8$5...@dont-email.me>,Nade/rbyshire wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:02:36 +0000, Steve wrote:
>
>> Sn!pe wrote:
>>>
>>> [fu2: auk]
>>>
>>> Dr. Anderson <derby...@nut.job> wrote:

>>>
>>> > Nadegda, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > Tony Palermo, a transparent Paul Derbyshire sock wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Paging Dr. Anderson. Eway avehay away aranoidpay ittway inway
>>> > > Admissionsway, epeatray, aranoidpay ittway inway Admissionsway.
>>> > > Aimsclay ishay amenay isway "Evestay". Atherray agitatedway.
>>> > > Eedsnay evaluationway, atstay.
>>> >
>>> > Ehay ashay ouyay angbay otay ightsray, Aulpay. Allway ouryay ostspay
>>> > ellsmay ikelay erbyshireday oppingsdray andway osay areway
>>> > instantlyway ecognizableray. BTWAY, ouyay eallyray ouldshay ooklay
>>> > upway ethay efinitionday ofway ironicway, ouyay illucidway uckwitfay.
>>> > Opehay isthay elpshay.
>>>

>>> This is freaky. No sooner do I post a little piece about backslang than
>>> the Derbyshire Sock Massive go into overdrive with it.
>>
>> I am not a derbyshite sock, TYVM.
>
>Sometimes I wonder if Derbyshire really *is* still around.

In body only right Paul?
(your skull being well fucked-out over the years)


>Maybe Murphy is Derbyshire. Or Fred Hall. Or "Sgt. Nutter" (formerly
>known as "This account has been banned..."). Or Tr!pe.
>
>Or you.
pffffft no cigar Seamus

[anominous]

In article <kbljme$bem$2...@dont-email.me>, PGD the Palermo Pinata wrote:
>suzeeq wrote:
>
>> I post with E-S and don't see my IP in the headers.
>
>It's not your IP address - but it's

Derbyshire droppings

[anominous]

In article <A8gEs.64645$lw2....@newsfe30.iad>, the most terrable wrote:

>indeed.
>most rewarding is the farkhaids inability to slag off
>our server cos g'damn fuk that lunatic mothafuka
>he is the last insane sonavabeetch we want here!
>
>
>TN Support


The lunatic has squirrels to feed and can't afford the $3.95USD so your
*new* support postiion will be more or less an easy gig, well at least
until the WOP or Wolfman fubar the mothafuka.

[Nadegda]

In the middle of a conversation with one of his other socks, terrable

(Pie Gurl) P...@yahoo.calm WINNER - KOTM July 2012 wrote:

> indeed.
> most rewarding is the farkhaids inability to slag off our server cos

YOUR server? And the royal "we"? Who the fuck do you think you are,
anyway, the king of usenet?

Kook.

Adding "megalomaniac" alongside the pre-existing "paranoid",
"schizophrenic", "substance abuser (shrooms/psilocybin/LSD/other
hallucinogens)", and "delusional" in the list of your known mental
conditions in your file in the Tetrarchy's Kook Files(tm).

Wow, that's quite a list.

<snicker>

> g'damn fuk that lunatic mothafuka he is the last insane sonavabeetch we
> want here!

Talking about yourself, kooky, or your sockpuppet?

<snicker>