The blog linked below contains hundreds of common-sense and fact-based
quotes relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
I'll be updating and expanding this cool blog on a regular basis. So
if anyone here (or elsewhere) says something that I deem worthy of
inclusion in my "Quoting Common Sense" blog, I'll be adding it to this
blog page.
Enjoy (I know I certainly enjoyed compiling these gems):
Thanks, Chuck.
And I didn't leave you out either, Chuck. Your famous quote is
included in my blog. Along with several entries from Bud, including
this one (which belongs in the "Quote Hall-of-Fame"):
"The assassins choose bullets that inflict non-lethal, 1-inch-
deep wounds? Instead of feeding JFK to lions, they decided to nibble
him to death by ducks?" -- Bud; April 1, 2006
> Common sense = opinion + no evidence
EXAMPLES OF VON PEIN'S "COMMON SENSE" FOR WHICH THERE IS NO EVIDENCE:
TROY WEST WAS IN THE BATHROOM WHEN OSWALD "SWIPED" THE TAPE AND PAPER
FOR THE "GUN SACK"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/52e69edf4a893d6d
-------------------------------
OSWALD SHOT JFK IN HIS T-SHIRT AND USED HIS "BROWN SHIRT" TO WIPE THE
FINGERPRINTS OFF THE RIFLE
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/52e69edf4a893d6d
-------------------------------
RFK ORDERED JFK'S BRAIN AND TISSUE SAMPLES TO BE DESTROYED IN APRIL
1965
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/6b5c4f78540f883d
Each one of those three items above makes perfect (common) sense too.
But, being deprived of all CS&L as a youngster, Gilbert wouldn't
recognize common sense if it knocked on the front door of his double-
wide and introduced itself.
"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:e3c1d3e5-c7f1-4d87...@j21g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>> "Nice presentation, David. I think it suffered from my [Bud's] inclusion, though." <<<
Not a chance. Your quotes are gold-plated.
I always look forward to reading your common-sense thoughts. And I
hope to be adding still more Bud-isms to my Quotes Blog in the future.
BTW, I've expanded my blog page already since first launching it. I've
added quotes from the likes of William Manchester, Jim Moore, Richard
Trask, Bob Huffaker, and Dale Myers.
" Book of DANIEL Chapter 12; Verse 1 "
Oh, is it really? I didn't know that.
I was thinking about including the following retarded quote from
Robert J. Groden in my Quotes Blog too (as an example of the topsy-
turvy thinking of conspiracy kooks), but I decided I didn't want to
pollute my blog page with it. But it's still hilarious...thirty years
after this idiocy escaped Mr. Groden's lips:
"As yet I have not seen one piece of evidence in 16 years to
show that Oswald was even remotely involved in the murder except as a
patsy." -- Robert J. Groden; 1979
BTW, speaking of Groden, I'll just advise people here that he said on
Black Op Radio on July 23, 2009 [www.blackopradio.com/black433a.ram],
that his new book, "JFK: Absolute Proof", will probably be released in
the fall (in October possibly), and it will include a lot of "new
material" (per RJG) and approximately 900 photographs.
I'll probably purchase that book....for the photos only (of course).
Groden says there will be some previously-unseen pictures of Oswald in
his dying moments at Parkland too.
And Groden also said on the 7/23/09 Black Op broadcast that -- get
this -- he's unearthed a brand-new witness who can prove Oswald's
innocence. Evidently this "new witness" (who we apparently never heard
a peep out of for 45 years) was WITH Lee Harvey Oswald inside the Book
Depository Building when they each heard the gunfire.
Per Groden, Oswald and the brand-new bombshell witness looked at each
other after hearing the gunshots and said "What was that?"
~LOL break~
So, evidently (per Robert Groden) Lee Oswald had an IRONCLAD ALIBI in
the form of this "new" witness....but Oswald decided NOT TO USE THIS
PERFECT ALIBI. He never said a word about it.
Instead, Lee Harvey decides he'll take the rap for the President's
murder all by himself....even though he wasn't anywhere near the sixth
floor at 12:30 (per Kook Groden).
~Another LOL needed here~
But, I'll predict that many conspiracy kooks will lap up Groden's "new
witness" as fast as you can say "Grassy Knoll".
In other words -- There's a Bob Groden born every minute.
"I do think for the historical record it's important that people
understand that Lee [Oswald] was a very ordinary person -- that people
can kill a President without that being something that shows on them
in advance." -- Ruth Paine; "On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald"; July 1986
www.YouTube.com/watch?v=GIR1ExW1NWU
www.RapidShare.com/files/235894737/TESTIMONY_OF_RUTH_PAINE_AT_1986_TELEVISION_DOCU-TRIAL.wmv
How do you know that he never said .."Joe and I were in the lunchroom
when we heard what sounded like a firecracker..We looked at each other
and said..What was that??"
We have only the cops words for what oswald said during the time he
was in their custody.....And there is a mountain of evidence that
shows they aren't to believed because they lied and created false
information to frame Oswald.
Everybody gather 'round....I have something to show you.....
A kook's imagination in overdrive:
===========================
"We have only the cops words for what [O]swald said during the
time he was in their custody.....And there is a mountain of evidence
that shows they aren't to [be] believed because they lied and created
false information to frame Oswald." -- Walter Cakebread; 07/26/09
===========================
"Bottom line fact still is today what it was in 1963 --- CE399
was determined by BOTH major Government inquiries (the Warren
Commission and the HSCA) to have been the "SBT" bullet which went
through both John Kennedy and John Connally on November 22, 1963.
"That is a fact of historical record. If conspiracists don't
like that historical fact, maybe they should go about the awesome task
of proving that the Warren Commission's and the House Select
Committee's IDENTICAL DETERMINATIONS REGARDING CE399 are pure fiction.
To date, such proof from the "planted/switched" camp has yet to
surface." -- David Von Pein; January 11, 2008
You're a damned liar..... They SPECULATED that CE 399 was a "magic
bullet" ( a term that has entered out language, with a meaning that
implies something impossible) Nobody ever PROVED that CE 399
performed as the government theorized.
It's nice to see Walt skewing the known facts (as always).
Walt now wants to deny that both the WC and the HSCA concluded that
CE399 was the "SBT" bullet that wounded both JFK & JBC.
Right, Walt?
"The conspiracy-happy Mega-Kooks of this world will choose ANY
silly option to account for JFK's and John Connally's wounds, just so
long as they don't ever have to face the Occam's-like solution called
the "SBT".
"The kooks would rather starve themselves to skeletons and sleep
on the benches in Dealey Plaza for the rest of their days before
admitting that the SBT is the correct shooting scenario.
"No matter how stupid and retarded their theory might be, it's
never TOO stupid or retarded for the anti-SBT Mega-Kooks of planet
Earth. ....
"This, of course, is similar in nature to the "Anybody But
Oswald" disease that many conspiracists suffer from. As long as Lee
Harvey Oswald can escape with his skirts tidy and clean, then the
kooks are happy." -- David Von Pein; December 7, 2007
"To kooks, all the Dallas Police are suspects in the conspiracy
also. The world vs. the patsy." -- "Bud" (a very astute Internet
newsgroup participant); April 27, 2006
"Per the disjointed theories they espouse, [many] conspiracy
theorists have no choice but to believe on faith that an incredible
"like-mindedness" existed between the "plotters" who were running
around setting the trap for Oswald many days, weeks, and months before
11/22/63....and the police, Warren Commission, etc.
"Yes, coincidences can, and do, occur in life. But isn't the
following coincidence a little bit too spectacular and improbable even
for most CTers? ---
"The police (et al) wanted to frame the same INNOCENT man after
the assassination that a different group of henchmen/plotters were
trying to frame many days/weeks/months BEFORE the assassination. ....
"It's especially idiotic to think that the Dallas Police
Department would have had the SLIGHTEST desire to frame Oswald for the
slaying of a fellow police officer (which, laughably, is a frame-up
theory that is accepted as a fact by many conspiracy kooks)." -- David
Von Pein; January 17, 2008
"In the final analysis, the validity of the HSCA's acoustic
evidence collapses under the weight of its own requirements. The HSCA
presented no photographic or testimonial evidence that any police
motorcycle with an open microphone was at the point on Houston Street
where such a motorcycle would have had to be at the time of the
assassination for its hypothesis to be possible.
"More importantly, the very police Dictabelt recording that the
HSCA relied on to conclude that a second gunman fired at the president
proves beyond all doubt that the impulse sounds committee members
thought were gunfire were recorded at least one minute after Oswald
shot Kennedy in the head.
"In addition, common sense tells us the fourth-shot acoustic
evidence must be wrong since it is completely incompatible with the
overwhelming evidence in this case that only three shots were fired in
Dealey Plaza, and those three shots came from the sniper's nest.
"That, of course, is not what conspiracy theorists would have
you believe. In the best of worlds, they would prefer that the
question of conspiracy remain open. How else can they continue the
charade that more than one gunman murdered the president?" -- Vincent
Bugliosi; Page 217 of "Reclaiming History" (Endnotes)
"But even that kind of smaller "Oswald And One Other Guy Who
Never Fired A Shot" conspiracy scenario is very unlikely, given the
type of person Lee Oswald was. He was very much a loner. He shot at
General Walker by himself, with no outside conspirators aiding him.
And he very likely did the same on November 22nd, 1963.
"Plus: If Oswald had had help from a friend, then where the heck
was this "friend" when Lee Harvey needed him the most -- at 12:33 PM
on 11/22/63 when Oswald was leaving the Book Depository after having
just shot the President?
"In that type of hypothetical smaller "plot", are we to believe
that the "other plotter(s)" just simply got cold feet and abandoned
their pal named Lee when the big moment arrived on November 22nd?
"That's possible, I suppose, but I'd rather stick with the
facts. And those facts (including Oswald's own post-assassination
actions, which reek with guilt) undeniably spell out "OSWALD'S ON HIS
OWN"." -- David Von Pein; November 16, 2007
"The conspiracy alterationists are so incredibly zany that they
have now gone beyond their allegation that key frames of the Zapruder
film were altered by the conspirators to support their false story of
what took place, to claiming that the conspirators altered all manner
of people and objects in Dealey Plaza that couldn't possibly have any
bearing on the president's murder. ....
"The alterationists have even claimed that at some point after
the assassination, all the curbside lampposts in Dealey Plaza were
moved to different locations and/or replaced with poles of different
height. ....
"I know that conspiracy theorists have a sweet tooth for
silliness, but is there absolutely nothing that is too silly for their
palate?" -- Vincent Bugliosi; Pages 506-507 of "Reclaiming History"
<snip the utter nutter-troll nonsense>
my goodness troll, you're spending a lot of time talking to your alter
ego, David. Are you feeling okay? Has Rosemary rejected you again.....
perhaps daBugliosi hasn't sent the stipend check yet, eh? Must be
tough knowing Dale *spunky* Myers makes all that cash writing for
daBug, ya think he's getting a gig with Tom Hanks and HBO?
"Our Warren Commission Report will stand the test of the final
verdict of the jury of world opinion because it is basically accurate
and because there are more than 6,500 footnotes in our 888-page
Report, which are grounded in the 26 volumes of testimony and
exhibits." -- David Belin; Page 159 of "November 22, 1963: You Are The
Jury"
ROTFLMAO! ! ! ! Carry on shithead!
"And the reason the above paragraph is the truth is because
(once Perry Russo's lie is tossed aside, as it must be) there isn't a
shred of evidence that CONNECTS any of those New Orleans individuals
to the planning and/or carrying out of the murder of John F. Kennedy
in Dallas, Texas. No evidence whatsoever.
"Everything Lee Harvey Oswald did on 11/21/63 and 11/22/63
indicates that he was a LONE ASSASSIN in Dallas. And that fact would
still be true even IF Oswald had been pals with ALL of the three
previously-named New Orleans-based people (Shaw, Ferrie, and
Banister).
"In other words -- Where is the BRIDGE and/or UMBILICAL CORD
that allows conspiracy theorists to make the grand leap from this:
"LEE HARVEY OSWALD KNEW CLAY SHAW, DAVID FERRIE, AND GUY
BANISTER....
"....to this:
"SHAW, FERRIE, AND BANISTER WERE CO-CONSPIRATORS IN THE
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY?
"Given the physical and circumstantial evidence that exists of
ONLY OSWALD'S GUILT in the assassination of JFK, such a monumental
leap of faith like the one suggested above is, to put it bluntly,
monumentally ridiculous." -- David Von Pein; July 31, 2009
"And these powerful drugs they must have been on I guess must
have had a crazy type of "Miracles Are Possible" effect on all of the
shooters and behind-the-scenes schemers -- because only a "miracle"
could have rescued such an inane multi-shooter "Patsy" plan from
certain failure on that 22nd day of November back in '63." -- David
Von Pein; April 7, 2006
<snip the nutter-troll loon and he/she/its rantings>
no advertising shithead.....
"We already knew that ["Harvey And Lee" author John] Armstrong
threw out logic and reason long ago with respect to his [double
Oswald] fairy tale, but at least he had his insanity to fall back on.
"The fairy tale loses even its “internal logic” insanity when he
asserts that the CIA got someone to impersonate Marguerite [Oswald]
who looked nothing like her. How much longer do we have to wait for
Armstrong to inform us that it was a Kennedy imposter who was
assassinated?
"For those conspiracy theorists who feel I haven’t “done
justice” to Armstrong by not mentioning every matter, issue, or
witness Armstrong cited in his nearly one-thousand-page book--to do so
would almost take a book in itself--if justice is giving something its
due, the only justice for Armstrong’s book is to put it in a trash
can.
"Every word I wrote about this freaky book is one more word than
Armstrong and his theory deserve. Here’s a book that at worst doesn’t
deserve First Amendment protections (I’m being facetious) and at best
is merely fun and games.
"And yet, Walt Brown, a serious student of the assassination,
while noting a few of the book’s absurdities, gives it a positive
review in his publication, JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly, saying it is
“required reading.”
"When someone of Brown’s stature in the conspiracy community
tells his readers to go out and “get the book and set
aside...everything you previously read about what happened in Dealey
Plaza on November 22, 1963” (JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly, April 2004,
pp.3–10), he is doing nothing more than encouraging other Armstrongs
to go off on similar delirious odysseys into the twilight zone." --
Vincent Bugliosi; Page 578 of "Reclaiming History" (Endnotes)
www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,880.0.html
>>> "If you folks have not yet read any of the numerous sites run and maintained by David [Von Pein], you should do so. Whether LN or CT, these sites provide more great information than any other area of the internet. I personally enjoy his video tributes to JFK and their historical significance. David has obviously devoted a tremendous amount of time and effort into this research. .... Any quality JFK researcher, whether LN or CT would be doing themselves a disservice by not taking advantage of the material available. .... Kudos to David." <<<
----------
>>> "I enjoy reading his posts. Very thought-provoking and very interesting. Way to go, David. Keep up the great job." <<<
----------
>>> "Come on Christoph! I'm sure he [DVP] is a decent person and all that, but he's obviously a "My country right or wrong", "CTs are all kooks" (kooks being his word, not mine) kind of a man. I wonder how much of the information he has available to us all, tends to show the case for conspiracy and or Lee's innocence?" <<<
DVP THEN SAID:
Could you please elaborate more on the above comment/question, Mr.
Kane. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Are you implying that I am somehow privy to more information regarding
the JFK case than you are (or anyone else here)?
>>> "Please, call me William. I believe that you will tend to be biased towards the official line on your site. I'm not saying that you're hiding anything, but I do believe that anything short of a Polaroid showing Lee eating his lunch, next to a great big clock showing 12.30pm, will be deemed as rubbish by you." <<<
DVP:
I'm always heartily amused when I'm accused of spreading
"disinformation" about JFK's assassination. Each time I hear that
silly charge, I wonder how it's possible to turn the ACTUAL EVIDENCE
in TWO murder cases (JFK's and Tippit's) into "DISinformation"?
It's like accusing me of spreading disinformation when I say that the
grass is green and that water is wet.
In truth, the only people who spread "disinformation" about the JFK
case are conspiracists. (Just check out pages 20-40 of Bob Groden's
"The Killing Of A President" for ample proof of this. And that's just
one example, among innumerable others.)
And, similarly, the ONLY people who possess any kind of a "magic
bullet" are the conspiracy theorists. In fact, they've got three or
four of those. They've got Kennedy and Connally being hit by at least
three disappearing "magic" bullets that amazingly produced wounds in
TWO different victims that mirrored a very good SINGLE-bullet
scenario.
Those three (or four) bullets that exist in the imaginations of
conspiracists weren't only "magic"....they were downright PRESCIENT
too.
"In short, anybody who would accept as true the nonsensical
theory of JFK's body being stolen off of Air Force One by evil
plotters should check themselves into the nearest insane asylum and
seek immediate treatment for "Conspiracy Theory Overdose"." -- David
Von Pein; January 2006/March 2006
"Buff assumptions don't control history. .... Do you [a
conspiracy theorist named Robert Harris] think you have the right to
treat anybody you merely SUSPECT as a criminal, in the absence of
evidence?" -- John McAdams; August 23, 2009
<nada as usual>
no advertising shithead.... that includes quoting yourself....
sheeesh, what a flucking idiot...
Davey-me-boyo... your disinfo bent needs a bit of spring in it....
LMFAO..... do they pay you to be this fucking stupid? I certainly hope
so!
"Moreover, if we adopt the cover-up theory, did all seven
Commission members, on their own, decide to suppress the truth? Or was
there a ringleader or architect of the cover-up, like Warren?
"If the latter, how was he able to get the other six members
(and, necessarily, a significant number of the Commission’s assistant
counsels and staff) to go along with his nefarious scheme? Indeed, not
knowing what their response might be, wouldn’t he have been deathly
afraid to even approach them with such a monumentally base and
criminal proposal? The whole notion is too ridiculous to even
contemplate.
"Adding a touch of humor to it all, as Commission member Gerald
Ford said, “The thought that Earl Warren and I would conspire on
anything is preposterous”." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Pages xix-xx of
"Reclaiming History"
www.Quoting-Common-Sense.blogspot.com (with a touch of hilarity added
to the mix occasionally, like above)
you're sounding like a whining old man, you should be ashamed.... Lone
nutter-trolls rise to the occasion, DVP needs to be ousted as Supreme-
O Nutter-O Troll-O....
times a-wasting trolls.....
"Not one scrap of evidence has ever emerged that on February 24
[1967], the day [Jim] Garrison announced that he and his staff had
"solved the case," he had any evidence connecting anyone, in any way,
with the assassination.
"If there were nothing else at all, this alone, by definition,
would be enough to prove beyond all doubt that Garrison had no
personal credibility with respect to this case." -- Vincent Bugliosi;
Page 1365 of "Reclaiming History"
So, You "KNOW" that there are people in High Places who can NOT be Trusted !
! !
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9f8b7744-de28-4159...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
"Garrison found no problems with this reverse methodology.
Charles Ward, who later became a judge on the Louisiana State Court of
Appeals, was Garrison's chief assistant in the DA's office at the time
and helped out in the [Clay] Shaw case. He told the New Orleans Times-
Picayune in 1983 that "most of the time you marshal the facts, then
deduce your theories. But Garrison would deduce a theory, then marshal
his facts. And if the facts didn't fit, he'd say they had been altered
by the CIA."" -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 1368 of "Reclaiming History"
"One may wonder why [Jim] Garrison was beset by so many goofy
witnesses. But as author James Phelan pointed out, "There are certain
sensational cases that have a fascination for unstable people and
fetch them forth in droves." ....
"The difference between Garrison and most responsible
prosecutors in these high-visibility cases is that the latter don't
call the kooks to the witness stand. Garrison did.
"Phelan says, "The Garrison case had a disastrously low
threshold, across which trooped a bizarre parade of people eager to
bolster his conspiracy scenario." And Garrison welcomed them with open
arms." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 1374 of "Reclaiming History"
As long as you're positing Oswald as the "sole shooter, but part of a
conspiracy," please feel free to demonstrate any MEANINGFUL link
between ANY of his associates (or indeed, his non-associates like
Shaw, Bannister, and Ferrie, whom he likely never met) and the CIA.
Just to give you a bit of a head start: Garrison couldn't do it. The
most the HSCA found was that Shaw was debriefed a few times by the
Domestic Contact Division of CIA. Wow. What else ya got? (P.S. Shaw
still never met Oswald)
Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former Military.
Does this qualify him for sainthood?
Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
Does this mean that he's pure as thw wind driven snow?
Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District
Attorney of a
Major U S City.
Does this mean that he's without fault or blemish?
Personally I admired Jim Garrison. (I wrote to him several times) but
I think your way of rebuttal is a bunch of crap!
>
> So, You "KNOW" that there are people in High Places who can NOT be Trusted !
> ! !
>
> "David Von Pein" <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:9f8b7744-de28-4159...@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Not one scrap of evidence has ever emerged that on February 24
> > [1967], the day [Jim] Garrison announced that he and his staff had
> > "solved the case," he had any evidence connecting anyone, in any way,
> > with the assassination.
>
> > "If there were nothing else at all, this alone, by definition,
> > would be enough to prove beyond all doubt that Garrison had no
> > personal credibility with respect to this case." -- Vincent Bugliosi;
> > Page 1365 of "Reclaiming History"
>
> >www.QUOTING-COMMON-SENSE.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I got one word for you -- PERMINDEX! Check out the connections of
that group!
Really?? I think we have another lie by Walt, as everytime I mentioned
him he called what he said a lie. He attacked Garrison every time I
mentioned him.
I wonder what those letters really said?
Saying that you disagree with someone is not attacking them.... Ya
dumb bastard.
I didn't agree with Garrison on some points ( that's why I wrote to
him) I think he was attempting to take it a bridge too far in his
attempt to nail Clay Shaw. I believe he let his personal feelings get
in the way.... I believe that he should have been focusing on
Bannister and his link to J.Edna Hoover. Simply disagreeing with
someone isn't calling them a liar ya stupid bastard.
>
> I wonder what those letters really said?- Hide quoted text -
>Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former Military.
Does this qualify him for sainthood?
>Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former FBI.
Does this mean that he's pure as thw wind driven snow?
>Nice to see that you Denounce someone who was Former District
>Attorney of a Major U S City.
Does this mean that he's without fault or blemish?
Personally I admired Jim Garrison. (I wrote to him several times) but
I think your way of rebuttal is a bunch of crap!
Good for you Wally World;
Now, GO SUCK A ROPE ! ! ! (FIND YER COMFORT LEVEL)
For those of you who don't knlow Wally World, he's a Warren Commission
SHILL.
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/wally_world.htm
ALL in her own words
"The only thing more horrifying to me than the assassination [of
President Kennedy] itself is the insidious, perverse notion that
elements of the American Government, that my own Agency, had some part
in it. I am determined personally to make public or to expose to
disinterested eyes every relevant scrap of paper in CIA’s possession,
in the hope of helping to dispel this corrosive suspicion." -- CIA
Director Robert Gates; May 12, 1992 [ARRB Final Report; Chapter 8;
Page 146]
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_167.htm
Well at least Dr Gates was honest enough to reveal his true
agenda....." dispel this corrosive suspicion."
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/report/html/arrb_fin_167.htm
>
> http://QUOTING-COMMON-SENSE.blogspot.com
"And would you allow your patsy to wander around in the
lunchroom at 12:30, where he's quite likely to be seen by people AT
LUNCHTIME?
"What if Oswald had called in sick on November 22nd? What then?
Would the plotters have re-routed the motorcade to have it pass by
Ruth Paine's home in Irving?" -- David Von Pein; April 2007
I do believe that you're as stupid as Rob Caprio.
If I were setting up Oswald..... I would have told him that I was
working for the FBI and I admired how he had infiltrated the USSR and
sent home valuable information.
I would also have told him that I knew about his clever idea of
staging an attempt on General walker's life, and I and others in the
FBI had noticed how resourceful he was at attempting to establish a
record as being a genuine communist revolutionary. I would then have
asked him if he would like to take another crack at trying to
infiltrate Castro's Cuba.
I'd have told him that this time he'd have better support from the
FBI.... and I'd have told him that he could use much of the dossier
that he had already created, and use the same basic MO that he'd used
in the walker incident, only this time the staged attempt would be
against the President of the United States. We would help him make it
appear that he had tried to shoot JFK, and had escaped before he could
be captured, and he could flee to Cuba and ask for assylum there. If
he could pull it off he'd be in positon to send back valuable
information that JFK needed .
> please feel free to demonstrate any MEANINGFUL link
> between ANY of his associates (or indeed, his non-associates like
> Shaw, Bannister, and Ferrie, whom he likely never met) and the CIA.
GLADLY.......In their OWN words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnKHsBaWTJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YRHh4mOofk
That is a good one since you are Reitzes are probably the same
person! LOL!!
> If I were setting up Oswald..... I would have told him that I was
> working for the FBI and I admired how he had infiltrated the USSR and
> sent home valuable information.
What info did he send home? The CIA and others were worried about what
info HE GAVE TO THE SOVIETS concerning the U2 flights. This is why
they opened files on him.
> I would also have told him that I knew about his clever idea of
> staging an attempt on General walker's life, and I and others in the
> FBI had noticed how resourceful he was at attempting to establish a
> record as being a genuine communist revolutionary.
Where is your evidence for this claim of yours concerning LHO "coming
up with the idea of staging an attempt on Gen. Walker's life?"
> I would then have
> asked him if he would like to take another crack at trying to
> infiltrate Castro's Cuba.
Where is your evidence showing us he tried to "crack Castro's Cuba"
the first time?
Does this liar realize many more qualified folks have studied this
case and found NO evidence for these claims of his?
> I'd have told him that this time he'd have better support from the
> FBI.... and I'd have told him that he could use much of the dossier
> that he had already created, and use the same basic MO that he'd used
> in the walker incident, only this time the staged attempt would be
> against the President of the United States. We would help him make it
> appear that he had tried to shoot JFK, and had escaped before he could
> be captured, and he could flee to Cuba and ask for assylum there. If
> he could pull it off he'd be in positon to send back valuable
> information that JFK needed .
Boy, this guy writes MORE FANTASY than Stephen King! He must think he
will be the next Dashell Hammet I guess!
Don't be so damned stupid.....Would you expect American intelligence
to say.... We've got a spy in Russia who is sending us valuable
information in the form of seemingly onnocuous correspondence. Or
would you expect the American intelligence to act like Oswald was a
turncoat traitor who was giving the Russians valuable information.
Oswald gave the Russians NOTHING of any value...... They already knew
about the U-2's through their own intelligence gathering network.
>
> > I would also have told him that I knew about his clever idea of
> > staging an attempt on General walker's life, and I and others in the
> > FBI had noticed how resourceful he was at attempting to establish a
> > record as being a genuine communist revolutionary.
>
> Where is your evidence for this claim of yours concerning LHO "coming
> up with the idea of staging an attempt on Gen. Walker's life?"
Don't be so damned stupid..... Why the hell do you think George De
Morhenschildt started "paling around" with Oswald? De Morhrenschildt
was an agent whose job was to baby sit Oswald and help him in his
efforts to infiltrate Cuba.
>
> > I would then have
> > asked him if he would like to take another crack at trying to
> > infiltrate Castro's Cuba.
>
> Where is your evidence showing us he tried to "crack Castro's Cuba"
> the first time?
>
> Does this liar realize many more qualified folks have studied this
> case and found NO evidence for these claims of his?
Don't be so damned Stupid..... Our government has worked hard to keep
the truth hidden......
>
> > I'd have told him that this time he'd have better support from the
> > FBI.... and I'd have told him that he could use much of the dossier
> > that he had already created, and use the same basic MO that he'd used
> > in the walker incident, only this time the staged attempt would be
> > against the President of the United States. We would help him make it
> > appear that he had tried to shoot JFK, and had escaped before he could
> > be captured, and he could flee to Cuba and ask for assylum there. If
> > he could pull it off he'd be in positon to send back valuable
> > information that JFK needed .
>
> Boy, this guy writes MORE FANTASY than Stephen King! He must think he
> will be the next Dashell Hammet I guess!
Thank you.......
"Walt" <papakoc...@evertek.net> wrote in message
news:5bf95c37-d774-4972...@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
"Remarkably, even sensible, intelligent people, such as HSCA
chief counsel Robert Blakey, who personally believes [Carlos] Marcello
was behind Kennedy's assassination, unthinkingly invoke the buffs' A-B-
C reasoning to support their position. On Frontline's 1993 show "Who
Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" Blakey said, "When you find David Ferrie, who
is an investigator for Carlos Marcello, being a boyhood friend to Lee
Harvey Oswald, and with him that summer, and with Carlos Marcello at
that very point in time, you have an immediate connection between a
man [Marcello] who had the motive, opportunity, and means to kill
Kennedy and the man [Oswald] who killed Kennedy."
"What?!? Although common sense alone should tell conspiracy
theorists that knowing someone or even being friendly with him is no
evidence of a connection to his criminal activity, that you have to
show the two were involved with each other in the same enterprise,
there is another fascinating phenomenon that the conspiracy theorists
must be aware of but seem determined not to acknowledge.
"I'm referring to the curious but undeniable reality that
virtually any two people chosen at random can be connected to each
other by the interposition of a very small number of mutual friends or
acquaintances. ....
"To dilute the connection even further, Ferrie was not an
investigator for Carlos Marcello. He was an investigator for lawyer G.
Wray Gill, and Gill had Ferrie work on an immigration lawsuit against
Marcello in which Gill was representing Marcello.
"Also, there is no credible evidence that Ferrie was ever a
boyhood friend of Oswald's or was with Oswald in the summer of 1963.
But even if these assertions were true, so what? They certainly don't
add up to a conspiracy to commit murder." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page
981 of "Reclaiming History"
"The Dallas police certainly made their mistakes, including
their critical lapse of failing to adequately protect Oswald from any
possible assassin, resulting in his death. Still, by and large, Dallas
homicide captain J. Will Fritz, in his dogged, taciturn way, had,
within two days of the assassination, managed to build a very powerful
case against Lee Harvey Oswald, a case that has stood the test of
time.
"The principal investigation of the assassination, by the Warren
Commission, is, of course, unparalleled in history, not just in the
sheer, staggering volume of information collected by the FBI and other
federal agencies, but in its monumental thoroughness and attention to
detail.
"Likewise, the House Select Committee's modern scientific
analysis of the hard, physical evidence in the case produced a
corroborative foundation of fact that previous investigations couldn't
have hoped to obtain, and thereby contributed appreciably to our
knowledge of the case.
"When taken as a whole...the body of evidence collected by these
official investigations leaves ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that Lee Harvey
Oswald murdered the president, and NO REASONABLE DOUBT that he acted
alone." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 380 of "Reclaiming History"
"Even if Oswald's Carcano was the worst piece of junk in the
world, this is an irrelevant argument since...firearms experts for the
Warren Commission (FBI) and HSCA proved that it was, in fact, the
weapon that fired three bullets in Dealey Plaza, two of which struck
the president.
"But in point of fact, the Carcano was not a piece of junk that
lacked accuracy. Ronald Simmons, the chief of the Infantry Weapons
Evaluation Branch of the Department of the Army, had his people test-
fire Oswald's Carcano rifle...forty-seven times, and testified the
rifle was "quite accurate"--in fact, just as accurate as the American
military rifle being used at the time, the M-14.
"Indeed, the exact type of rifle Oswald used to kill Kennedy was
still being used at the time [in 1964] by the Italian NATO rifle team
in competition." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 493 of "Reclaiming History"
SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/fbi_simmons.htm
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ac60d47b-ac25-4123...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...