C.T. MOTTO -- IF YOUR NAME IS OSWALD, YOU'RE A-OK IN MY BOOK!
David Von Pein
Let's examine the LENGTHS to which many rabid JFK conspiracy theorists
will go in their crazy attempts at allowing Lee Harvey Oswald to get
away with the two murders he so obviously committed on 11/22/63.....
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1.) Eyewitness Howard Brennan sees Lee Harvey Oswald shoot at
President John F. Kennedy with a rifle. Plus: Brennan provided a
decent "Oswald-like" description in his 11/22/63 affidavit....and this
wouldn't even take into account the 12:44 PM APB description put out
by J. Herbert Sawyer of the Dallas Police just minutes after the
shooting.
So you can toss out that 12:44 description if you want to think it
WASN'T provided by Howard Brennan. That STILL leaves Brennan's 11/22
affidavit, which says:
"He was a white man in his early 30s, slender, nice looking, slender
and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
The Kook Response ("KR"): Brennan is totally unreliable. .... Or: His
eyesight sucks. ... He was coerced into identifying Oswald. ... He
wasn't even looking up at the sixth floor at the time of the last
shot. ... He described the wrong clothing. ... He couldn't possibly
have seen Oswald well enough to give a positive I.D. through a half-
open window (DVP interjection: even though Brennan did positively
identify two of the black men situated just one floor below the
sniper).
2.) Lee Oswald's very own rifle is found on the 6th Floor of the TSBD
just 52 minutes after JFK's assassination.
KR: That rifle probably was "planted" there by dastardly, unknown,
unseen conspirators of some ilk. .... Or: It wasn't really Oswald's
rifle up on the 6th Floor at all. Instead, a Mauser rifle was found.
3.) Oswald's palmprint is found on his rifle the day of the
assassination (per J.C. Day of the DPD):
"Your No. 637 is the right palm of Oswald." -- J.C. Day; To WC
That print was lifted off the gun barrel by Day himself before the
rifle was turned over to the FBI on the night of 11/22/63.
CE637 to which Day refers:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo3/exhibits/ce637.jpg
KR: The palmprint was either "planted" there by the Feds or the DPD
after Oswald was killed (with a print taken from Oswald in the morgue,
no less). .... Or: The print was never really lifted off of the weapon
by J.C. Day as he stated to the WC, meaning that Day (along with a
cast of hundreds more), was part of a "Let's Frame LHO" plot.
4.) Bullet CE399 (fired from Oswald's Carcano rifle "to the exclusion
of all other weapons") is found inside the very same hospital where
both victims of the shooting were taken, proving beyond virtually
every shred of a doubt that Oswald's gun fired that bullet into either
Jack Kennedy's or John Connally's body on 11/22/63.
KR: CE399 was "planted" in the hospital by another of the faceless,
nameless plotters who overtook Dallas that November day. No WAY that
bullet could have been inside a victim on Nov. 22! And that "SBT"
stuff is nonsense too (in case that's next on David's laundry list)!
5.) Bullet shells from Oswald's rifle ("to the exclusion" again) are
found directly under the same window from where Oswald himself was
seen firing a gun at JFK's car.
KR: Those shells were "planted" there by the DPD. Well, at least ONE
of them was planted/faked anyway. (It's a PLANT FESTIVAL in Dallas,
circa 1963!)
6.) An empty paper sack, generally matching the type Oswald was seen
carrying to work on 11/22 by two witnesses, is found under the very
same window in the Sniper's Nest from where Lee Oswald was seen firing
a gun at JFK. The sack has two of Oswald's prints on it.
KR: That paper sack was "planted" there by the DPD. It's obvious! It
wasn't even photographed by Studebaker or Day! So it COULDN'T have
been there when the Nest was first discovered! To hell with those
prints of LHO's on the bag! They're fake too. It's obvious. The cops
planted the bag, then ran around and (somehow) got Oswald's palmprint
and fingerprint and then "planted" the prints on the fake bag. It's
kid stuff! (If you're a kook maybe.)
7.) Oswald is seen by multiple witnesses murdering policeman J.D.
Tippit approx. 45 minutes after JFK was shot from right in front of
Oswald's workplace (a location Oswald fled within three minutes of the
JFK shooting, even though he had no permission to leave work that
early).
KR: Oswald never shot Officer Tippit! A nicely-arranged "Oswald
Double" killed Tippit. It's obvious, for God's sake! Oswald couldn't
have even been there in time to plug Tippit! (Despite various re-
constructions that show the trip was certainly a doable one by anybody
whose legs weren't in casts.)
8.) Oswald's very own .38 revolver is determined to be the weapon that
gunned down Tippit, via the four spent shells that littered the crime
scene (shells that were ejected--by hand--from Oswald's revolver BY
OSWALD HIMSELF, per multiple eyewitnesses to this post-shooting
activity).
KR: Those bullet shells were "planted" by the DPD. It's obvious, you
goof! An "automatic" weapon killed Tippit.
9.) Approximately a dozen witnesses in total identified Lee Harvey
Oswald as either Tippit's LONE killer, or as the LONE MAN who fled the
scene of the crime near 10th Street and Patton Avenue (with a gun in
hand, dumping shells along the way).
KR: Those witnesses are all wrong! TWO guys did the Tippit job!
Acquilla Clemons confirms this. Who are ya gonna believe -- Acquilla
(who didn't even see the actual shooting as it was happening)? Or are
ya gonna believe Davis, Davis, Scoggins, Markham, Tatum, Callaway,
Benavides, Patterson, etc., etc.?
10.) Oswald tells one lie after another to the police after he was
arrested in the Texas Theater (following a wild fight, in which Oswald
attempts to kill more cops).
He lies when he tells police he has "never owned a rifle"; and he lies
about the "curtain rod" tale he told Wesley Frazier; and he also lies
like a cheap rug about many, many other things which connect him to
the Tippit/Kennedy murders.
And Lee Harvey also lies when trying to establish his alibi for the
JFK shooting ("I had lunch with Junior" {Jarman} in the lunchroom at
the time JFK was shot, he told one police officer....even though
"Junior" was photographed on the 5th Floor at 12:30 exactly).
KR: We don't have any idea WHAT Oswald told the cops....because they
never recorded his statements. Which HAS to mean he's
innocent...because ALL the cops who said he was saying these lies
cannot be trusted because...er...um...well, because I SAY THEY CAN'T
BE TRUSTED. So there!
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Many additional things could easily be added to the above 10-item
list. But I think you probably get the idea. That idea being: The
conspiracy-loving kooks of the world just DO NOT WANT LEE HARVEY
OSWALD TO BE GUILTY OF THESE 1963 MURDERS.
Simple as that.
Crazy (given the evidence saying they're dead wrong) -- but simple.
DVP
Feb. 2007
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Additional "OSWALD'S GUILTY AS EVER-LOVIN' SIN" articles provided
below:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4a6b3390021d657c
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e06a29392572c072
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4dd73f8e676a5db8
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aaeb4a1389e69938
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3ae26a3befc052b8
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7e70b829247b4a49
aeffects
tactics.... so here's a flash for you:
Despite your's and daBug's insistence, not to mention a whole host of
deranged LN characters... CTer's are the ONLY ones that have held
rational thought since this debacle got underway -- late 1963/1964 to
the present. What IS rabid, is the LN credo, that you're right
regarding the WCR/SBT, which of course is nonsense....
So, breathe deeply, OMMMMMMMMMMM, don't fear, you'll learn the routine
eca...@tx.rr.com
And possibly the *BEST* post I
have ever seen.
Ed Cage 1732May607
David Von Pein
Dear God in heaven! Not Healy in the raw?! Please....spare me that
"flash".
>>> "CTer's {needless & incorrect apostrophe inserted as usual} are the ONLY ones that have held rational thought since this debacle...{blah, blah...}." <<<
Sweet Mary & Joe!!
Think of my poor bladder!! If you've got ANY pity in ya, you'll cease!
My weak bladder!! I don't think I can make it to the
bathr..............
(Damn.)
David Von Pein
Thank you, Ed. Very much.
I kinda liked that one myself. Hence, the re-post. I posted it
originally in February.
eca...@tx.rr.com
2002 David.. (Gawd, I hate it that your first
name and Q Man Healy's first name are both David..
Same with John Canal vs. John McAdams and John
Fiorentino) -- Anyway I copied an absolutely
superb post by jwrush on the acoustics some
months back,.. Then I copied yours today.
A **Masterpiece** in simplicity and effectiveness
and brief enough that even LAZY members of the
"There's Something Fishy Here" gang can hopefully
*READ* it. (Not a given..)
Regards,
Ed
David Von Pein
Just call me DVP. That'll make it clearer.
I've got a brother who gets to use "MVP" for his initials. Lucky bum.
Those are cool initials, esp. in this place, no? ;)
aeffects
> >>> "Here's a flash for you..." <<<
>
> Dear God in heaven! Not Healy in the raw?! Please....spare me that
> "flash".
your eyes are getting heavy, Heavy, HEAVIER... Now visualize the
grassy knoll, smell the new mowed grass..... focus on your anchor
point.....
> >>> "CTer's {needless & incorrect apostrophe inserted as usual} are the ONLY ones that have held rational thought since this debacle...{blah, blah...}." <<<
>
> Sweet Mary & Joe!!
>
> Think of my poor bladder!! If you've got ANY pity in ya, you'll cease!
think its bad now, wait till you 35, that's when it starts going bad,
kiddo! Ask Fast Eddie, he's bagged?
David Von Pein
if you keep posting, Mr. Healy. Of that I have no doubt. A human
bladder can only take so much of this kook stuff, ya know. Sometimes
mercy on an LNer is a virtue.
Although I will admit that Healy isn't the only source of riotous
material recently. This gem from VB qualifies as a bladder-buster as
well (but for an entirely-different reason, of course).....
"Waiting for the conspiracy theorists to tell the truth is a little
like leaving the front-porch light on for Jimmy Hoffa." -- VBug.
Walt
> Let's examine the LENGTHS to which many rabid JFK conspiracy theorists
> will go in their crazy attempts at allowing Lee Harvey Oswald to get
> away with the two murders he so obviously committed on 11/22/63.....
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 1.) Eyewitness Howard Brennan sees Lee Harvey Oswald shoot at
> President John F. Kennedy with a rifle. Plus: Brennan provided a
> decent "Oswald-like" description in his 11/22/63 affidavit....and this
> wouldn't even take into account the 12:44 PM APB description put out
> by J. Herbert Sawyer of the Dallas Police just minutes after the
> shooting.
Dear Pea Brain, You've got it wrong again..... Howard Brennan did not
see Lee Oswald shoot at President Kennedy.
He DESCRIBED the man who was firing the hunting rifle as.... "In his
early thirties"...weighing 165 to 175 pounds...and wearing a light
colored ( dingy white) shirt and trousers. Oswald was just 24, he
weieghed 140 pounds, and he was dressed in dark colored clothes.
( reddish brown shirt and dark gray trousers.)
>
> So you can toss out that 12:44 description if you want to think it
> WASN'T provided by Howard Brennan. That STILL leaves Brennan's 11/22
> affidavit, which says:
>
> "He was a white man in his early 30s, slender, nice looking, slender
> and would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
>
> The Kook Response ("KR"): Brennan is totally unreliable. .... Or: His
> eyesight sucks. ... He was coerced into identifying Oswald. ... He
> wasn't even looking up at the sixth floor at the time of the last
> shot. ... He described the wrong clothing. ... He couldn't possibly
> have seen Oswald well enough to give a positive I.D. through a half-
> open window (DVP interjection: even though Brennan did positively
> identify two of the black men situated just one floor below the
> sniper).
Hey Pea Brain.... I'm a CT and I don't ascribe to any of this stuff.
I firmly believe that Howard Brennan knew what he saw, and DESCRIBED
what he saw, and the man he saw was NOT Lee Oswald.
>
> 2.) Lee Oswald's very own rifle is found on the 6th Floor of the TSBD
> just 52 minutes after JFK's assassination.
There's NO proof that the rifle belonged to Lee Oswald.....
>
> KR: That rifle probably was "planted" there by dastardly, unknown,
> unseen conspirators of some ilk. .... Or: It wasn't really Oswald's
> rifle up on the 6th Floor at all. Instead, a Mauser rifle was found.
The Mannlicher Carcano in Oswald's hands in CE 133A is definitely NOT
the rifle that was found in the TSBD.
>
> 3.) Oswald's palmprint is found on his rifle the day of the
> assassination (per J.C. Day of the DPD):
False.... A "SMUDGE" was found on the WOODEN foregrip of the rifle and
it was worthless for Identification purposes. Day claimed he found a
palm print on the SMALL DIAMETER ( 5/8") metal barrel, but he was
lying. A bayonet lug surrounded the barrel at the point where Day
claimed he had found the unidentifiable smudge, which he said was
Oswald's palm print. Even if the bayonet lug had not prevented anybody
from depositing a palm print at that location, the 5?8" barrel would
only have presented about 1/4" wide surface to a mans palm. ie; The
metal barrel was too small in diameter to accept an identifiable palm
print.
>
> "Your No. 637 is the right palm of Oswald." -- J.C. Day; To WC
>
> That print was lifted off the gun barrel by Day himself before the
> rifle was turned over to the FBI on the night of 11/22/63.
>
> CE637 to which Day refers:
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo3/exhibits/ce637.jpg
>
> KR: The palmprint was either "planted" there by the Feds or the DPD
> after Oswald was killed (with a print taken from Oswald in the morgue,
> no less). .... Or: The print was never really lifted off of the weapon
> by J.C. Day as he stated to the WC, meaning that Day (along with a
> cast of hundreds more), was part of a "Let's Frame LHO" plot.
It wasn't planted..... It didn't exist.... The So called "palm print
was nothing but an unidentifiable smudge that Day had lifted from the
WOODEN foregrip just minutes after the rifle was pulled from behind
the boxes.
>
> 4.) Bullet CE399 (fired from Oswald's Carcano rifle "to the exclusion
> of all other weapons") is found inside the very same hospital where
> both victims of the shooting were taken, proving beyond virtually
> every shred of a doubt that Oswald's gun fired that bullet into either
> Jack Kennedy's or John Connally's body on 11/22/63.
CE 399... The magic bullet. Because no bullet has ever performed
in defiance of the laws of physics, like the LNers believe CE 399
did.
>
> KR: CE399 was "planted" in the hospital by another of the faceless,
> nameless plotters who overtook Dallas that November day. No WAY that
> bullet could have been inside a victim on Nov. 22! And that "SBT"
> stuff is nonsense too (in case that's next on David's laundry list)!
>
> 5.) Bullet shells from Oswald's rifle ("to the exclusion" again) are
> found directly under the same window from where Oswald himself was
> seen firing a gun at JFK's car.
Really?? WHO... identified Oswald as the man seen firing a hunting
rifle from the sixth floor window??
>
> KR: Those shells were "planted" there by the DPD. Well, at least ONE
> of them was planted/faked anyway. (It's a PLANT FESTIVAL in Dallas,
> circa 1963!)
>
> 6.) An empty paper sack, generally matching the type Oswald was seen
> carrying to work on 11/22 by two witnesses, is found under the very
> same window in the Sniper's Nest from where Lee Oswald was seen firing
> a gun at JFK. The sack has two of Oswald's prints on it.
Generally matching??......Maybe... but that like saying Pharis Hilton
generally matches Rosie O'Donald
>
> KR: That paper sack was "planted" there by the DPD. It's obvious! It
> wasn't even photographed by Studebaker or Day! So it COULDN'T have
> been there when the Nest was first discovered! To hell with those
> prints of LHO's on the bag! They're fake too. It's obvious. The cops
> planted the bag, then ran around and (somehow) got Oswald's palmprint
> and fingerprint and then "planted" the prints on the fake bag. It's
> kid stuff! (If you're a kook maybe.)
The "bag" was nothing but a book wrapper, and since Oswald unwrapped
books as part of his job. Would you expect him to unwrap those books
with his feet?
>
> 7.) Oswald is seen by multiple witnesses murdering policeman J.D.
> Tippit approx. 45 minutes after JFK was shot from right in front of
> Oswald's workplace (a location Oswald fled within three minutes of the
> JFK shooting, even though he had no permission to leave work that
> early).
Liar..... We've been over this aspect of the case many times and you
know that Oswald could not have been at the scene of Tippit's murder
because there was not enough time for him to get there from his
rooming house.
You "believe" Oswald lied....cause you lack the guts to face the
truth.
>
> And Lee Harvey also lies when trying to establish his alibi for the
> JFK shooting ("I had lunch with Junior" {Jarman} in the lunchroom at
> the time JFK was shot, he told one police officer....even though
> "Junior" was photographed on the 5th Floor at 12:30 exactly).
>
> KR: We don't have any idea WHAT Oswald told the cops....because they
> never recorded his statements. Which HAS to mean he's
> innocent...because ALL the cops who said he was saying these lies
> cannot be trusted because...er...um...well, because I SAY THEY CAN'T
> BE TRUSTED. So there!
>
> =============================
>
> Many additional things could easily be added to the above 10-item
> list. But I think you probably get the idea. That idea being: The
> conspiracy-loving kooks of the world just DO NOT WANT LEE HARVEY
> OSWALD TO BE GUILTY OF THESE 1963 MURDERS.
>
> Simple as that.
Yup...simple solutions... for simple minds.
Walt
aeffects
considering it took 20 years to rewrite the WCR, I'm sure daBugliosi
thinks Hoffa disappeared less than a month ago.... and
I hate it, just HATE it when you talk to daCage, David -- LMAO! Where
do you find these VB certified moron's David?
David Von Pein
Everybody knows your Brennan theory is full of shit. YOU probably even
know it.
So you might as well just shut up. Nobody's listening to you re. this
Brennan thing.
You're wrong. Dead wrong. So live with it.
Happy CT hunting, kook.
Walt
You can only hope that I'll shut up ..... It ain't gonna happen.
I know you wish I'd stop posting the facts, because sooner or later
the facts are gonna overwhem the lies,and when that happens you could
be in serious trouble for perpetrating the lies of the Warren
Commission. I have faith that most Americans still have the guts of
the people that built this country. 75% of Americans have said they
don't believe the official lie.... When the facts finally overwhelm
the lies they may go looking for the bastards who kept the lie alive.
Walt
Walt
You are aware that only TWO shells were recovered at the scene at the
time that the crime scene was secured don't you?
A couple of witnesses described the action of Tippit's killer as he
removed the spent shells from his pistol. Their descriptions describe
the action of a man removing spent shells from a SINGLE ACTION
revolver like a Ruger, or a Hi standard, and NOT a double action
revolver like a S&W. The S&W revolver ejects the shells from all six
chambers at once when the cylinder is swung out and the ejector rod
pushed. There is a small possibility that the spent shells would not
extract from the cylinder as designed and the killer may have had to
pluck them out one at a time. Cortland Cunningham, the FBI lab man
who test fired Oswald's pistol many times in an effort to get it to
produce just two bullets that would ballistically match each other,
was unable to succeed in his effort. ( the gun could NOT produce even
two bullets that could be identified as having been fired from that
gun.) Cunningham wasn't asked if he had dificulty in removing the
spent shells from that pistol. It would be interesting to know if the
spent shells stuck in the chambers of that pistol.
Walt
David Von Pein
>>> "You can only hope that I'll shut up ..... It ain't gonna happen." <<<
Yeah, I know. But a person can dream of utopia, can't he?
Walt
Utopia?? Isn't that being married to a beautiful, deaf and dumb,
wealthy nymphomaniac, whose main interest in life is to make sure
you're happy?
Walt
David Von Pein
No. To me, a form of utopia would be to have Walt either shut up about
the many idiotic and provably-wrong JFK theories he loves to spout
daily...OR...to have Walt and other conspiracy kooks to finally
realize the overall error of their CT ways and join the side of CS&L
and abandon all this pro-CT foolishness that can never, ever be
proved.
Well, utopia could ALSO be achieved by being married to this person
here (but I kinda doubt that will happen anytime soon, so I'll have to
set my sights a little lower).....
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Raquel-Welch-Photograph-C12148084.jpeg
aeffects
What ALL Lone Neuter's need to do is, unite and WHINE on cue! You
girls need to get on point! These LHO threads are 'thread-bare', to
say the LEAST... How many days till Bugliosi goes in the tank?
Walt
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin about....
David Von Pein
Oh, yeah, "thread-bare", for sure.
So "thread-bare" is the "LHO Did It" position, that EVERY single piece
of hard, physical evidence (BULLETS, GUNS, SHELLS...you know, that
stuff) leads where again??
You're funny. I wonder if you know how funny you really are. You and
your CT cohorts.
aeffects
Hiding behind LHO gets you nowhere, David......