Is cdddraftsman anti-conspiracy because he's anti-Kennedy ?
Gil Jesus
and blaming him for the failure at the Bay of Pigs.
His anti-Kennedy agenda is becoming more clearer now. He doesn't want
the Kennedy family to have justice or closure or for JFK to rest in
peace.
Here it is folks, in his OWN words and in all his sick & pathetic
glory:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/370aa4abb01e1163
YoHarvey
Let's see. Coward or pathological lying homophobic racist hypocrite
cop dropout used car parts salesman. who doesn't date, has never
married and watches porno TV and surfs the net. Damn tough call
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You win Chico/Robcap. You are one sick fuck!
cdddraftsman
> (Snipped)
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Sam Brown
"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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cdddraftsman
>
>
> Let's see. Coward or pathological lying homophobic racist hypocrite
> cop dropout used car parts salesman. who doesn't date, has never
> married and watches porno TV and surfs the net. Damn tough call
> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You win Chico/Robcap.
>You are one sick fuck!
Yo Harv ! You are toooooo much ! Hhahahahahahahahaha !
Love it !
tl
Hehehehehehe !
cdddraftsman
The Coward Kennedy pulled air support after only one sortie and that
assured the failure of the mission ! It caused the needless deaths of
over 500 Cuban Freedom Fighters . The other 1300 + JFK had to pay
a ransom of $52,000,000 in aid to get them back .
Walt
> On Dec 26, 2:00 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom Lowry PROVES he's anti-JFK, calling the late President a "coward"
> > and blaming him for the failure at the Bay of Pigs.
>
> > His anti-Kennedy agenda is becoming more clearer now. He doesn't want
> > the Kennedy family to have justice or closure or for JFK to rest in
> > peace.
>
> > Here it is folks, in his OWN words and in all his sick & pathetic
> > glory:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/370aa4abb01e1163
>
> The Coward Kennedy pulled air support after only one sortie and that
> assured the failure of the mission ! It caused the needless deaths of
> over 500 Cuban Freedom Fighters .
500 Cuban exiles dead?? Are you sure? Where did yo get that number?
The other 1300 + JFK had to pay
And JFK ransomed 1300 survivors at Christmas time 1962
According to your figures that would have been a total of 1800 men.
Colonel Jack Hawkins sent a cable to Richard Bissell on April 13,
1961. and he said that the brigade 2506 numbered 1400 men. Can you
explain the discrepancy?
Walt
Gil Jesus
> The Coward Kennedy pulled air support after only one sortie and that
> assured the failure of the mission ! It caused the needless deaths of
> over 500 Cuban Freedom Fighters . The other 1300 + JFK had to pay
> a ransom of $52,000,000 in aid to get them back .
Hey el daffo. 147 men died at the bay of Pigs, not 500. The other 1300
surrendered.
Not only is your spelling atrocious, so is your American History.
Stick to the cartoons and photoshop collages, they more oriented to
your age group.
YoHarvey
Gil? Ford motor company wants to BUY your backyard!! Ford says YOU
have more parts on your property than they have in house!
Also, since you ALWAYS claim all LN's are killified, how is it you can
"selectively respond to certain posts but not all posts? Gee, could
it be Y8OU'RE LYING AGAIN? Are your lips moving Gil? Are you typing
on a computer? If it's either or, then we KNOW YOU'RE
LYINGGGGGGGGGG! Caught ya again Gil/Robcap!!
Gil Jesus
see your posts when someone responds to them.
Someday, we'll get through that thick skull of yours.
But right now, the newsreader I use to READ the posts
(freenews.netfront.net ) , the one with the filter, is down for some
reason. It's been down for two days.
But of course you knew that, right ?
justm...@gmail.com
The Revolutionary Council, the C.I.A.-created alternative to Mr.
Castro, became the agency's ''puppets,'' as described in the report.
''Isolated in a Miami safe house, 'voluntarily' but under strong
persuasion, the Revolutionary Council members awaited the outcome of
a
military operation which they had not planned and knew little about
while agency-written bulletins were issued to the world in their
name.''
If the C.I.A. could not work with Cubans, Mr. Kirkpatrick warned
prophetically, ''how can the agency possibly succeed with the natives
of Black Africa or Southeast Asia?''
President Kennedy had been in office just three months when the
invasion took place. The report argued that he might not have fully
grasped the details of the raid, because the C.I.A. did not fully
explain them.
''Detailed policy authorization for some specific actions was either
never fully clarified or only resolved at the 11th hour,'' it said.
''Even the central decision as to whether to employ the strike force
was still somewhat in doubt up to the very moment of embarkation.''
The C.I.A. convinced itself and the White House that the invasion
would magically create in Cuba ''an organized resistance that did not
exist,'' composed of 30,000 Cubans who would ''make their way through
the Castro army and wade the swamps to rally to the liberators.''
This
was self-deception, the report said, adding drily, ''We are unaware
of
any planning by the agency or by the U.S. Government for this
success.''
On April 15, 1961, C.I.A. pilots knocked out part of Castro's air
force, and were set to finish the job. At the last minute, on April
16, President Kennedy called off the air strikes, but the message did
not reach the 1,511 commandos headed for the Bay of Pigs. Three days
of fighting destroyed the invading force. A brigade commander sent
his
final messages: ''We are out of ammo and fighting on the beach.
Please
send help,'' and: ''In water. Out of ammo. Enemy closing in. Help
must
arrive in next hour.''
It never came. Over the next few days two American teams and a crew
of
Cuban frogmen plucked 26 survivors off the beaches and reefs.
After the inquiry completed its work, the agency clearly viewed the
report as poison: ''In unfriendly hands, it can become a weapon
unjustifiably to attack the entire mission, organization, and
functions of the agency,'' warned General Cabell, the Deputy Director
at the time. Nevertheless, the C.I.A. agreed to release the report as
part of a slow process of making public parts of its past.
Read with hindsight, the accumulated weight of the details in Mr.
Kirkpatrick's report makes a case that ''the fundamental cause of the
disaster'' was the C.I.A.'s incompetence, not President Kennedy's
failure to follow through with the air raids in support of the
commandos.
The agency failed the President by failing to tell him ''that success
had become dubious and to recommend that the operation be therefore
canceled,'' it said.
The consequence of canceling was chagrin: ''The world already knew
all
about the preparations, and the Government's and the agency's
embarrassment would have been public,'' the report said. The cost of
continuing was ''failure, which brought even more embarrassment,
carried death and misery to hundreds'' and wounded American prestige.
''The choice was between retreat without honor and a gamble between
ignominious defeat and dubious victory,'' the report said.
''The agency chose to gamble, at rapidly decreasing odds,'' in an
operation sabotaged by bad intelligence, incompetent staffing,
illusionary planning, and self-deception. In the future, it
concluded,
when the White House wanted to engage in major covert operations
''which may profoundly affect world events,'' it should call the
Defense Department, not the C.I.A.
The report was released under the Freedom of Information Act to the
National Security Archive, which collects and publishes declassified
Government documents. Peter Kornbluh, director of the archive's Cuba
Documentation Project, called the report ''one of the most important
examples of self-criticism ever written inside the agency.'' He said
it would be posted on Sunday at the archive's web site: http://
www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive.
Correction: February 23, 1998, Monday An article yesterday about the
Central Intelligence Agency's internal report on the 1961 Bay of Pigs
invasion, and a front-page summary of the article in some copies,
misstated the death toll among the invaders. Of about 1,500
commandos,
114 died, not nearly 1,500, and 1,189 were captured; the rest either
never landed or made their way back to safety.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9403E1D91F3FF931A15751...
aeffects
wrote:
> On Dec 27, 5:17 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > It's been explained to you time and time again why it is that I can
> > see your posts when someone responds to them.
>
> > Someday, we'll get through that thick skull of yours.
>
> > But right now, the newsreader I use to READ the posts
> > (freenews.netfront.net ) , the one with the filter, is down for some
> > reason. It's been down for two days.
>
> > But of course you knew that, right ?
>
> The Revolutionary Council, the C.I.A.-created alternative to Mr.
> Castro, became the agency's ''puppets,'' as described in the report.
> ''Isolated in a Miami safe house, 'voluntarily' but under strong
> persuasion, the Revolutionary Council members awaited the outcome of
> a
> military operation which they had not planned and knew little about
> while agency-written bulletins were issued to the world in their
> name.''
>
evidently this dipshit Just*puke*me1952 is trying to make a point --
copying and pasting obscure bullshit is DVP (aka Dave Reitzes)
purview, toots-e-roll...... get a life you moron....
[...]
Ben Holmes
Gil Jesus says...
Fortunately, you didn't quote the troll, and *my* killfilter is working quite
well.
But I've seen this before - the trolls try to pretend that they aren't really
killfiled - that we are lying to them...
Since they can't afford to use killfilters - one could be generous and merely
state that their inexperience causes their "ignorance."
But, of course, tis clear that it's merely their dishonesty shining forth.
aeffects
> In article <237c3e3a-d7c9-4b46-8606-fe062c330...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
E-X-A-C-T-L-Y
justm...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Apparently the article I posted is over the Junkies head when it comes
to reading comprehension. The same junkie that whines how LN's never
post anything about the assassination. When we do then he whines about
what's posted. Put the sorry bastard in a rubber room and let him
bounce off the walls till his additction wears off. He's a menance to
society.
aeffects
wrote:
you don't post a non-thread article in the middle of a thread -- you
dipshit.. and for the record, no one gives a shit what you DO post,
you're irrelevant..... go find a carpet to munch....
justm...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Someone tell the junkie we were discussing the BOP in this thread. He
should be quite familiar with it...hes a PIG.
Walt
> On Dec 27, 5:17 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > It's been explained to you time and time again why it is that I can
> > see your posts when someone responds to them.
>
> > Someday, we'll get through that thick skull of yours.
>
> > But right now, the newsreader I use to READ the posts
> > (freenews.netfront.net ) , the one with the filter, is down for some
> > reason. It's been down for two days.
>
> > But of course you knew that, right ?
>
> The Revolutionary Council, the C.I.A.-created alternative to Mr.
> Castro, became the agency's ''puppets,'' as described in the report.
> ''Isolated in a Miami safe house, 'voluntarily' but under strong
> persuasion, the Revolutionary Council members awaited the outcome of
> a
> military operation which they had not planned and knew little about
> while agency-written bulletins were issued to the world in their
> name.''
>
> If the C.I.A. could not work with Cubans, Mr. Kirkpatrick warned
> prophetically, ''how can the agency possibly succeed with the natives
> of Black Africa or Southeast Asia?''
>
> President Kennedy had been in office just three months when the
> invasion took place. The report argued that he might not have fully
> grasped the details of the raid, because the C.I.A. did not fully
> explain them.
knew that he could only attack Cuba and overthrow Castro, if Castro
stuck first. So that's what he had planned to do....Make it "appear"
to the world that Castro had attacked the U.S. Navy's base at
Guantanamo. The CIA had trained some of the Cuban exiles as "Special
Troops". Those "special troops" mission was to attack Gitmo, while
dressed in the uniforms of Castro's troops ( does this sound like
Poland 1939?)
When Nixon was defeated by JFK the CIA did not want to scrap the whole
hare-brained idea, so they lied to JFK.
The CIA knew they couldn't tell JFK about the key part of the plan
because he would have scrubbed the entire plan.
Walt