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Gil Jesus

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Nov 4, 2009, 1:53:12 PM11/4/09
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Mr. BENAVIDES. And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab came
to a halt and he asked me which way he went. I told him he went down
Patton Street toward the office, and come to find out later Ted had
already seen him go by there.

( 6 H 452 )

If the fleeing gunman ran by Callaway before Callaway got to the
Tippit murder scene, why was he asking Benavides "which way he went" ?

TROLLS ?

tomnln

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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WOW !

That leaves the possibility that a "used car salesman" may have Lied ! ! !

Walt

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Nov 4, 2009, 7:22:27 PM11/4/09
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I'm not a troll .... But I'd like to say..... That I've always thought
that Ted Callaway was nothing but a big mouth bullshitter....who
sought the limelight. I doubt that he saw the fleeing killer. he
heard what others said and then used that info to inject himself into
the limelight. He was a liar of the worst kind.....a braggart and a
blowhard.

Bud

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Nov 4, 2009, 7:25:04 PM11/4/09
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Why do you expect us to walk you through all the difficulties you
have understanding what you read, retard?

Heres Callaway`s affidavit, see if you can figure it out on your
own.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/callaway.htm

If you still have problems, I`ll be glad to help you out, but you`ll
never learn to figure out things on your own by depending on others to
do your thinking for you.

Bud

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Nov 4, 2009, 7:26:56 PM11/4/09
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On Nov 4, 4:56 pm, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Gil Jesus" <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote in message

Of course he did. Who you going to believe, a bunch of witnesses or
the murder suspect?


David Von Pein

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Nov 4, 2009, 7:41:06 PM11/4/09
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>>> "I've always thought that Ted Callaway was nothing but a big mouth bullshitter....who sought the limelight. I doubt that he saw the fleeing killer. He heard what others said and then used that info to inject himself into the limelight. He was a liar of the worst kind.....a braggart and a blowhard." <<<

Great. Now Ted Callaway's supposedly a liar too (per the Anybody-But-
Oswald kooks around here).

You retards never quit, do you?

No matter how many people you have to call a "liar" or a "big-mouth
bullshitter" or a "braggart" or a "blowhard" in order to avoid the
obviousness of Lee Harvey Oswald's guilt....you conspiracy-happy
idiots are willing to do it. Even if that total number of "liars" and
"blowhards" reaches triple digits.

I love kooks, though. For, who else could possibly provide so many
laughs--day after day?


FYI -- Here's Ted Callaway in person (talking about what he saw Lee
Oswald doing right after Oswald shot and killed Officer J.D. Tippit):

In 1964:

www.YouTube.com/watch?v=D55rkJG6K8s


And in 1986:

www.YouTube.com/watch?v=YU1C4WcMiU4


www.RapidShare.com/files/241347586/TESTIMONY_OF_TED_CALLAWAY_AT_1986_TELEVISION_DOCU-TRIAL.wmv


Walt

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Nov 4, 2009, 7:48:13 PM11/4/09
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On Nov 4, 6:25 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 1:53 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Mr. BENAVIDES. And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab came
> > to a halt and he asked me which way he went.  I told him he went down
> > Patton Street toward the office, and come to find out later Ted had
> > already seen him go by there.
>
> > ( 6 H 452 )
>
> > If the fleeing gunman ran by Callaway before Callaway got to the
> > Tippit murder scene, why was he asking Benavides "which way he went" ?
>
> > TROLLS ?
>
>   Why do you expect us to walk you through all the difficulties you
> have understanding what you read, retard?
>
>   Heres Callaway`s affidavit, see if you can figure it out on your
> own.
>
>  http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/callaway.htm


"I was working today when I heard some shots. This was about 1 pm."...
Ted Callaway

Hey Dud.....Do you think that ol Ted was so dumb that he couldn't read
a clock..... he said he heard the shots at about 1:00 0'clock That's
roughly the same time that his employee's
Sam Guinyard. and Domingo Benavides gave for the shooting. It's also
close to the time that Helen Markham wrote in her affidavit. Do you
think that all of these witnesses didn't know what time it was when
they heard the shots??

Bud

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Nov 4, 2009, 7:58:10 PM11/4/09
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When there is an event, how well to people generally place the time
of that event, do you have any real idea?

mucher1

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:33:27 AM11/5/09
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On 4 Nov., 22:56, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Gil Jesus" <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote in message

It's more honourable to sell tired, old conspiracy theories?

Gil Jesus

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Nov 5, 2009, 7:30:19 AM11/5/09
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On Nov 4, 7:25�pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:

> � Heres Callaway`s affidavit, see if you can figure it out on your


> own.
>
> �http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/callaway.htm
>
> � If you still have problems, I`ll be glad to help you out, but you`ll
> never learn to figure out things on your own by depending on others to
> do your thinking for you.


It's too bad that Callaway's affidavit doesn't answer the
question....and as usual, neither did you.

So let's try this again:

Walt

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:59:49 AM11/5/09
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I'd wager that most people estimate time on a quarter hour basis.....
ie; If it is a few before or after 1:00 O'clock most people simply
estimate the time as about 1:00 O'clock, and if the time is a few
minutes before or after 1:15 they would estimate the time as 1:15.
I'm sure that you'll disgree. but you'll be a minority......

In this case we have several witnesses who said the shots were fired
at about 1:00 o'clock or a few minutes after one O'clock. We have one
witness who gave a written affidavit in which she gave the time as
1:06. NOT A SINGLE witness estimated the time of Tippit's murder as
about 1:15......


>
>
>
>
>
> > >   If you still have problems, I`ll be glad to help you out, but you`ll
> > > never learn to figure out things on your own by depending on others to

> > > do your thinking for you.- Hide quoted text -
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tomnln

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"mucher1" <muc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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mucher wrote;

It's more honourable to sell tired, old conspiracy theories?

Lying under oath must be an "acceptable practice" in mucher's home ! ! !

SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/
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tomnln

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"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Indicative of the LN"r mentality ! ! !


Bud

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:12:20 PM11/5/09
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You are retarded. People do not track time that well during the
course of a day.

> In this case we have several witnesses who said the shots were fired
> at about 1:00 o'clock or a few minutes after one O'clock. We have one
> witness who gave a written affidavit in which she gave the time as
> 1:06. NOT A SINGLE witness estimated the time of Tippit's murder as
> about 1:15......

Your retard figuring aside, do you have any REAL idea how well
people generally place the time of an occurrence?

Bud

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:23:13 PM11/5/09
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On Nov 5, 7:30 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 7:25 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> > Heres Callaway`s affidavit, see if you can figure it out on your
> > own.
>
> >http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/callaway.htm
>
> > If you still have problems, I`ll be glad to help you out, but you`ll
> > never learn to figure out things on your own by depending on others to
> > do your thinking for you.
>
> It's too bad that Callaway's affidavit doesn't answer the
> question....and as usual, neither did you.

Sure it does, you are just retarded. I will walk you through it,
because I realize that being a conspiracy retard means you have no
real ability to figure simple things out. Callaway passed Oswald.
Oswald continued on, Callaway went around onto 10th, and retrieved
Tippit` gun, then grabbed Scoggins and his cab to go look for Oswald.
So, Callaway knew generally what direction Oswald was heading when he
saw him, but he didn`t know specifically what street or alley he
turned into or up. So he asked Benevides for that specific
information. In other words, Callaway did not track Oswald`s movements
after he passed him, and he hope Benevides could supply him with more
exact information.

> So let's try this again:
>
> If the fleeing gunman ran by Callaway before Callaway got to the
> Tippit murder scene, why was he asking Benavides "which way he
> went" ?

What do you make of it, retard? Why do consider the average people
around this crime suspects? Their only crime was they happened to be
near where Oswald killed a cop.

Bud

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:26:15 PM11/5/09
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On Nov 5, 11:28 am, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Gil Jesus" <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote in message

I produced the answer for him, and the retarded stump still couldn`t
see it.

mucher1

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Nov 5, 2009, 5:43:57 PM11/5/09
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On 5 Nov., 17:26, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> "mucher1" <much...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Do you always speak in riddles? What lies?

Gil Jesus

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Nov 5, 2009, 6:40:39 PM11/5/09
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On Nov 5, 5:23�pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:


> Callaway knew generally what direction Oswald was heading when he
> saw him, but he didn`t know specifically what street or alley he
> turned into or up.


Mr. DULLES. May I ask what course he was taking when you last saw him?

Mr. CALLAWAY. He was going west on Jefferson Street.

Mr. DULLES. West on Jefferson Street?

Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.

( 3 H 354 )

> In other words, Callaway did not track Oswald`s movements
> after he passed him, and he hope Benevides could supply him with more
> exact information.

Mr. DULLES. May I ask what course he was taking when you last saw him?

Mr. CALLAWAY. He was going west on Jefferson Street.

Mr. DULLES. West on Jefferson Street?

Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.

( 3 H 354 )


You really should study the testimony, Bud.

Bud

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:29:36 PM11/5/09
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I study the retards. I figured out the problem, which is Benavides`
broken English. Benavides is referring to the "taxicab", or actually
the taxicab driver, Scoggins, who stopped and asked him where Oswald
went.

Walt

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Nov 5, 2009, 9:39:28 PM11/5/09
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Dear ol Ted Callaway.... Apparently he wanted desperately to be in the
lime light...so he made up stuff to make himself appear to be a hero.

In his affidavit Callaway wrote:..." I saw a white man running South
on Patton with a pistol in hand."

He said NOTHING about the man running WEST on Jefferson.... He said he
saw a man with a "blue steel 32 automatic" running SOUTH on Patton.

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dcwi...@yahoo.com

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Nov 6, 2009, 2:42:59 AM11/6/09
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I hate to say it, but, as I recall, Benavides retracts this statement
later in his testimony. I say I hate to say it, because I have my own
reasons for asking the same question. Mainly, I find it hard to
believe that Callaway saw anything because when he radioed HQ he
didn't tell them which way he supposedly saw the suspect (not Oswald)
going.... He was worse than useless on Tippit's radio--he just took up
time telling the police what they already knew.
dw

> TROLLS ?

dcwi...@yahoo.com

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Nov 6, 2009, 2:46:22 AM11/6/09
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On Nov 5, 8:09 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "Benavides is referring to the "taxicab", or actually the taxicab driver, Scoggins, who stopped and asked him where Oswald went." <<<
>
> You could conceivably be correct on this, Bud, but I doubt very much
> you are. Benavides seems to be talking about "TED" (Callaway) in this
> whole comment below. He mentions the name "Ted" both before and after
> he says "he asked me which way he went":
>
> Mr. BENAVIDES -- "And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab

> came to a halt and he asked me which way he went. I told him he went
> down Patton Street toward the office, and come to find out later Ted
> had already seen him go by there."
>
> It seems clear to me that Benavides is referring only to Callaway in
> the above WC testimony. But it really makes no sense as to why EITHER
> Callaway or Scoggins would need to ask Benavides which way Oswald went
> after the shooting, because both Callaway and Scoggins certainly saw
> for themselves which way Oswald went. (Scoggins certainly knew that
> LHO went running down Patton.)
>
> The only logical answer I can come up with as to why Ted Callaway
> would want to ask Domingo Benavides "which way did he go?" is this:
>
> At the time Callaway arrived at the scene of the Tippit shooting on
> 10th Street, he would certainly have had no way of positively knowing
> exactly where Benavides was located when the shooting occurred. For
> all Callaway knew, Benavides might have been a witness similar to
> Callaway himself--that is, Benavides might have seen Oswald only after
> he went down Patton Avenue.
>
> So, Callaway must have thought that Benavides could possibly provide
> additional information about the gunman's getaway route (above and
> beyond the information that Callaway already possessed himself
> regarding Oswald turning onto Jefferson Boulevard before leaving
> Callaway's sight).

Yow! That's neat speculation. But as I say, didn't Benavides come
back to this subject later in his testimony & explain it away? Too
late to look it up now....

David Von Pein

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Nov 6, 2009, 3:07:18 AM11/6/09
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>>> "[Callaway] was worse than useless on Tippit's radio--he just took up time telling the police what they already knew." <<<

And Callaway was supposed to automatically know that Bowley had
already called it in, right?

Geesh.

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David Von Pein

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Nov 6, 2009, 3:24:00 AM11/6/09
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>>> "Didn't Benavides come back to this subject later in his testimony & explain it away?" <<<

No. But I've deleted my previous post on this subject, because my
earlier speculation is worthless and wrong, because I now see in the
WC record that Callaway, before getting in Scoggins' cab, had already
asked Benavides if he had seen what happened on 10th St., and
Benavides told him 'Yes'.

So Callaway would have known that Benavides was on 10th St. during the
shooting, instead of being a witness who only saw LHO fleeing.

Gil Jesus

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On Nov 6, 2:42�am, dcwill...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I hate to say it, but, as I recall, Benavides retracts this statement
> later in his testimony.


It would be helpful if you could cite where in the testimony he
retracted it.

I've examined his testimony and cannot find such a retraction.

Thanks in advance.

Bud

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Nov 6, 2009, 5:50:02 AM11/6/09
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And he did see Oswald running south on Patton with a gun in his
hand.

Bud

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On Nov 4, 1:53 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> Mr. BENAVIDES. And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab came

> to a halt and he asked me which way he went. I told him he went down
> Patton Street toward the office, and come to find out later Ted had
> already seen him go by there.
>
> ( 6 H 452 )

I initially took the above at face value, but giving it a little
closer look leads me to believe that it just Benavides speaking
imprecisely. In a lot of languages, nouns are give male or female
designations. People who speak English as a second language often
carry this habit over. So it`s likely that when Benavides says "the
taxicab came to a halt and asked me which way he went", he is actually
saying that Scoggins, the taxi driver stopped and asked him where
Oswald went. A Mexican might say "The ambulance came and he took
Tippit away (Benavides doesn`t say this, just an example). Gil, being
Mexican should be aware of this.

> If the fleeing gunman ran by Callaway before Callaway got to the
> Tippit murder scene, why was he asking Benavides "which way he went" ?


> TROLLS ?

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David Von Pein

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But why would Scoggins need to ask Benavides which way the gunman
went? Scoggins saw LHO go down Patton toward Jefferson. It makes no
sense.

Of course, it makes even less sense for Callaway to need to ask
Benavides which way Oswald went, but IMO Benavides is talking about
Callaway only there. Domingo says "Ted" both before and after the
"which way he went" part of his WC testimony.

BTW, Benavides spoke perfect English. At least he did in 1967, when he
went in front of the cameras and positively IDed Oswald as Tippit's
killer:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbcnV9cPL_w

Walt

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:03:31 AM11/6/09
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Unless he had previously met and knew Oswald by recognition, there is
no way that he could say the man he saw running south on Patton ( not
west on Jefferson ) was Lee Oswald.
Dom Benavides Indicated in his statements that the man he saw firing a
pistol at Tippit RESEMBLED Lee Oswald. And apparently Ted Callaway
saw this same man who RESEMBLED Oswald.


Benavides was without doubt the most qualified witness to identify
Tippit's murderer.....and yet he was not called to view a line up of
suspects. In his testimony before the WC he said that he saw the
killer at the time he was shooting Tippit. The killer was facing
Benavides from only about 15 feet away and yet Benavides did NOT
positively identify Oswald as the killer. He indicated that the man
RESEMBLED Oswald.

Walt

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On Nov 6, 5:10 am, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 1:53 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Mr. BENAVIDES. And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab came
> > to a halt and he asked me which way he went.  I told him he went down
> > Patton Street toward the office, and come to find out later Ted had
> > already seen him go by there.
>
> > ( 6 H 452 )
>
>   I initially took the above at face value, but giving it a little
> closer look leads me to believe that it just Benavides speaking
> imprecisely. In a lot of languages, nouns are give male or female
> designations. People who speak English as a second language often
> carry this habit over. So it`s likely that when Benavides says "the
> taxicab came to a halt and asked me which way he went", he is actually
> saying that Scoggins, the taxi driver stopped and asked him where
> Oswald went.

Nice slight of hand......but not well thought out.... If Scoggins
wanted to know which way the killer had gone he would have asked Ted
Callaway who was already in the cab. If Callaway saw the killer
running from the scene he certainly would have told Scoggins which way
to go..... Come to tink of it Scoggins KNEW which way the killer had
gone because Scoggins claimed that the killer ran past his cab and
south on patton.

A Mexican might say "The ambulance came and he took
> Tippit away (Benavides doesn`t say this, just an example). Gil, being
> Mexican should be aware of this.
>
>
>
> > If the fleeing gunman ran by Callaway before Callaway got to the
> > Tippit murder scene, why was he asking Benavides "which way he went" ?

> > TROLLS ?- Hide quoted text -

tomnln

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SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/benevides.htm


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tomnln

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SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/benevides.htm


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Bud

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On Nov 6, 8:03 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:

> On Nov 6, 4:50 am,Bud<sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 5, 9:39 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 5, 5:40 pm, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>

Sure he could, retard, he identified Oswald as the man he saw. That
makes the man who ran past him Oswald according to the witness,
retard.

> Dom Benavides Indicated in his statements that the man he saw firing a
> pistol at Tippit RESEMBLED Lee Oswald. And apparently Ted Callaway
> saw this same man who RESEMBLED Oswald.

Yah, Oswald resembles Oswald. Dead ringer, in fact.


> Benavides was without doubt the most qualified witness to identify
> Tippit's murderer.....

Not to hear Benavides tell it.

>and yet he was not called to view a line up of
> suspects. In his testimony before the WC he said that he saw the
> killer at the time he was shooting Tippit. The killer was facing
> Benavides from only about 15 feet away and yet Benavides did NOT
> positively identify Oswald as the killer. He indicated that the man
> RESEMBLED Oswald.

Yah, an Oswald look-a-like is killing cops with a handgun in the
same area Oswald is located with a handgun. Two plus two is always 7
or 5 or anything but four with the retards.

Bud

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On Nov 6, 6:50 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> But why would Scoggins need to ask Benavides which way the gunman
> went? Scoggins saw LHO go down Patton toward Jefferson. It makes no
> sense.

Sure it does. Scoggins said "I don`t know where he went after he
passed my cab and went down a little piece." Ted gets in, Scoggins
sees Benavides, who he thinks knows were the gunman went, so he pulls
up and asks him. He doesn`t need to consult Callaway before doing
this. That could be the point that Benavides was making, that it
wasn`t information Scoggins had to stop and get from him, since "come
to find out later that Ted had already seen him go by there".

David Von Pein

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>>> "Scoggins said "I don`t know where he went after he passed my cab and went down a little piece." Ted gets in, Scoggins sees Benavides, who he thinks knows were the gunman went, so he pulls up and asks him. He doesn`t need to consult Callaway before doing this. That could be the point that Benavides was making, that it wasn`t information Scoggins had to stop and get from him, since "come to find out later that Ted had already seen him go by there"." <<<


You could be correct, Bud.

In any event, no matter who it was who asked Benavides which way LHO
went, I'm certainly not ready to label Ted Callaway or William
Scoggins as "liars" about anything either of those men said regarding
Oswald and the Tippit shooting.

The CT kooks, of course, have no hesitation whatsoever in labelling
everybody a "liar" who said anything against Oswald. That's what kooks
do best, of course--they act like kooks in order to rewrite this
double-murder case the way they WANT it to be rewritten.

Here is Domingo Benavides' statement again. Is he talking about
Callaway here? Or Scoggins? I truly cannot say for sure. But Bud's
point (as usual) is well-taken:


DOM BENAVIDES -- "And so Ted then got in the taxicab and the taxicab


came to a halt and he asked me which way he went. I told him he went

down Patton Street toward the office, and come to find out later Ted

Walt

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Nov 6, 2009, 9:09:47 PM11/6/09
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Dippy Von Pea Brain asked:....."Is he (Benavides) talking about


Callaway here? Or Scoggins? I truly cannot say for sure."

Well if you were honest and a little brigheter you would KNOW that
Benavides was referring to Ted Callaway. Anybody with commonsense
would know that Benavides knew Ted Callaway. (Callaway was Benavides
boss at the used car lot) and Benavides and Scoggins never knew each
other..... So it's obvious that Benavides was talking about "Ted' who
asked him "which way the shooter went"?

Yer not the brighest jack-o-lantern on the block are ya?

Gil Jesus

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:46:19 PM11/6/09
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> Yer not the brighest jack-o-lantern on the block are ya?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -


First Bud tried to explain it by saying that Callaway didn't know
which way the assailant went.

Now he's saying that Benavides was talking about Scoggins.

Bud is a man desperate for an answer.

Walt's right.

There's no evidence it was Scoggins.
There's no reference from either Scoggins or Callaway.
The focus is Callaway.
Next Bud will be saying that the taxicab could talk.

dcwi...@yahoo.com

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:26:59 AM11/7/09
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According to Dale Myers' timetable of events on 10th, Callaway
"arrived at the shooting scene" at 1:16 (p383), & Bowley radioed at
1:17 (p384). If you've listened to the latter, you know that it was
pretty quiet there at the time, & sound carried well. Everyone at the
scene, including Callaway, would have heard Bowley. Callaway was a
hotshot who got hoisted by his own petard, & badmouthed fellow
witnesses Scoggins & Benavides.

\
\Jeesh.

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:29:57 AM11/7/09
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On Nov 6, 9:51 am, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> SEE>>>  http://whokilledjfk.net/benevides.htm
>
> "Gil Jesus" <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote in message

>
> news:18a5564d-b1ed-4996...@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 6, 2:42 am, dcwill...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I hate to say it, but, as I recall, Benavides retracts this statement
> > later in his testimony.
>
> It would be helpful if you could cite where in the testimony he
> retracted it.
>
> I've examined his testimony and cannot find such a retraction.
>
> Thanks in advance.

Actually it's from the same passage, what I was thinking of: "Come to

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:31:46 AM11/7/09
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On Nov 6, 3:34 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "Scoggins said "I don`t know where he went after he passed my cab and went down a little piece." Ted gets in, Scoggins sees Benavides, who he thinks knows were the gunman went, so he pulls up and asks him. He doesn`t need to consult Callaway before doing this.  That could be the point that Benavides was making, that it wasn`t information Scoggins had to stop and get from him, since "come to find out later that Ted had already seen him go by there"." <<<
>
> You could be correct, Bud.
>
> In any event, no matter who it was who asked Benavides which way LHO
> went, I'm certainly not ready to label Ted Callaway or William
> Scoggins as "liars"

Callaway himself called Benavides a liar, & Scoggins a coward.
Reflects more on Callaway than on them....

David Von Pein

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Nov 7, 2009, 3:50:56 AM11/7/09
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>>> "Callaway himself called Benavides a liar, & Scoggins a coward." <<<

Citation please.

Bud

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Nov 7, 2009, 4:05:23 AM11/7/09
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Quite the opposite, I wasn`t interested enough to do a careful
reading the first time.

But speaking of desperation, aren`t you the one taking testimony
from one person who says Callaway saw the gunman (Callaway), comparing
it with another witness who says that Callaway saw the gunman
(Benavides), and coming to the conclusion that Callaway didn`t see the
gunman?

> Walt's right.

Imagine if that was possible.

> There's no evidence it was Scoggins.

There is if my reading of what Benavides of the information
Benavides supplied is correct.

> There's no reference from either Scoggins or Callaway.

Then you are saying that Benavides made it up that someone asked him
which way the gunman went?

> The focus is Callaway.

And then the focus shifts to the taxicab.

> Next Bud will be saying that the taxicab could talk.

That couldn`t be. It is also impossible to think that people always
speak precisely. Kooks want to pretend there is only one way to read
what witnesses say, and that is strictly literally. People just don`t
alway convey information that way. Again, kooks want to proceed as if
"a" is true, when in reality "b" is true.

Gil Jesus

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Nov 7, 2009, 6:43:45 AM11/7/09
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On Nov 6, 6:34�pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

> >>> "But Bud's point (as usual) is well-taken:


Does that mean that you agree with him that New Zealand is part of
Australia ?

On the subject of the Christchurch (New Zealand) newspaper's printing
of Oswald's bio too early,
Bud writes:

"The kooks seem to think that the Conspiracy alerted the Australian
media ...of things before they unfolded."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/875dada84dad54b7

At least the "kooks" know that New Zealand is its own country, Bud.

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Nov 7, 2009, 1:32:56 PM11/7/09
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On Nov 7, 12:50 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "Callaway himself called Benavides a liar, & Scoggins a coward." <<<
>
> Citation please.

"But he was just a nervous wreck.... This guy was so nervous he
couldn't drive, so we lost him." (With Malice p111)

""He told me, he said, 'I ain't gonna go down there & tell them my
story unless they give me something'." Callaway claimed that
Benavides ended up with a new Pontiac Firebird, half of which was paid
for by CBS." (WM p221)

Bud

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:53:45 PM11/7/09
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On Nov 7, 6:43 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 6:34 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> "But Bud's point (as usual) is well-taken:
>
> Does that mean that you agree with him that New Zealand is part of
> Australia ?
>
> On the subject of the Christchurch (New Zealand) newspaper's printing
> of Oswald's bio too early,
>
> Bud writes:
>
> "The kooks seem to think that the Conspiracy alerted the Australian
> media ...of things before they unfolded."

I notice you aren`t trying to make this case that this is something
too stupid for you to believe.

Walt

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:06:25 AM11/8/09
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Geeesh is right!...... Callaway the publicity seeker should have
known that the shooting had already been reported because by his own
statements he said that the ambulance was arriving on the scene as he
replaced Tippit's radio microphone in it's clip. He had only used
the radio for a few seconds so that ambulance must have been
approaching with the siren wailing when he placed the call. Anybody
with a lick of commonsense would know that if there was an ambulance
arriving the shooting had been reported.

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:14:17 AM11/9/09
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No comment, David? Not surprised...!

Walt

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:52:37 AM11/9/09
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On Nov 5, 4:23 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 7:30 am, Gil Jesus <gjjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 4, 7:25 pm, Bud <sirsl...@fast.net> wrote:
>
> > > Heres Callaway`s affidavit, see if you can figure it out on your
> > > own.
>
> > >http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/callaway.htm
>
> > > If you still have problems, I`ll be glad to help you out, but you`ll
> > > never learn to figure out things on your own by depending on others to
> > > do your thinking for you.
>
> > It's too bad that Callaway's affidavit doesn't answer the
> > question....and as usual, neither did you.
>
>   Sure it does, you are just retarded. I will walk you through it,
> because I realize that being a conspiracy retard means you have no
> real ability to figure simple things out. Callaway passed Oswald.
> Oswald continued on, Callaway went around onto 10th, and retrieved
> Tippit` gun, then grabbed Scoggins and his cab to go look for Oswald.
> So, Callaway knew generally what direction Oswald was heading when he

> saw him, but he didn`t know specifically what street or alley he
> turned into or up. So he asked Benevides for that specific
> information.

OK.... Why did Callaway believe that Dom Benavides had that
information?? Callaway allegedly was in much better position to
answer his own question than Dom Benevides. After the shooting
Benavides attention was focused on the officer lying in the street.
He didn't pay any attention to the flight of the killer once he was
sure the killer had left the scene. He was focused on the welfare of
Tippit and getting medical attention for him.

In other words, Callaway did not track Oswald`s movements
> after he passed him, and he hope Benevides could supply him with more
> exact information.
>

> > So let's try this again:


>
> > If the fleeing gunman ran by Callaway before Callaway got to the
> > Tippit murder scene, why was he asking Benavides "which way he
> > went" ?
>

>  What do you make of it, retard? Why do consider the average people
> around this crime suspects? Their only crime was they happened to be
> near where Oswald killed a cop.

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Nov 9, 2009, 10:33:45 AM11/9/09
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Why no meniton of the fact Callaway told Marvin Garson in an interview
on 10/18/64 that he did NOT see Markham at the scene of the crime in
the minutes following the shooting.

Callaway was explicit about this and he helped to load Tippit's body
into the ambulance so we KNOW he was there!

See page 192 of "Rush To Judgement" for this point.

IF Marham was NOT there when she claimed to be the WC is left with NO
witnesses for the Tippit murder.

The fact she completely disagreed with almost every other witness, and
in some cases every other witness, in all the major areas leds one to
reach the conclusion she WAS NOT there when she said she was.


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Nov 9, 2009, 11:59:06 AM11/9/09
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On Nov 9, 7:33 am, "robcap...@netscape.com" <robcap...@netscape.com>
wrote:

I believe that Scoggins too said he did not see Markham on the
corner. Did not see her until later, after the cops had arrived.

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