[OT] So Long
Ron May
pedophiles, spammers, hackers and, after 2001, terrorists around the
internet. Being exposed to photos or videos of babies being raped or
people being beheaded, in the odd, sterile juxtaposition of office-
world and without -really- being able to do anything about it creeps
into your psyche and takes a toll. You'd walk into the coffee room or a
meeting after seeing something like that, trying to shake it off, and
some marketing geek would be upset about how much revenue we'll lose if
we shut down a host of known terrorist sites, or somebody would make
some flippant joke about how I got to look at porn while others work
for a living... After awhile, you become suspicious of all of the
people around you because any of them could be--might be-- pedophiles.
An image that haunts me is a close-up video of how a young man's mouth
foams, and the way his eyes go, while his head is being hacked off on a
public street. I will not describe the child pornography.
In those days the freeware newsgroups, and especially the wisdom and
kindess of gentlemen like BeAr and Craig offered a sufficient
distraction and source of information and leadership.
People assign far too much importance to all of the wrong things. Often
times, they bottle up their frustration and take it out on some forum
somewhere. Others take it out on their families or coworkers. It
becomes a habit, it diminishes one's character, and one doesn't have to
engage in it to see it. It solves nothing and only furthers the erosion
of civility.
I stuck out Dilbert-world, 50 hours a week living like veal. Now, I work
from home part of the day--I've got a three year old on my lap.
It took a very short time to see the old patterns of bottled up
frustration and abusive banter that you encounter on almost all public,
and particularly usenet, forums. It's like a funk you get used to until
you leave, but it's instantly recognizable when you come back. It's
like a Star Trek convention. William Shatner can advise Trekkies to get
a life, but at any Trek convention there's always going to be some
group angrily jabbering at each other in Klingon.
There are not bad people on this forum. There are, to be sure, some
very good people here. But the interpersonal hostility that flies
around and, at present, seems to be flooding the only two discussions
I've started in a year, is not productive.
It's clear that many of the most inspiring contributors have moved on
and that these are not the forums they once were. In the meantime,
while I was engaged in the runway incursion flamewars, I lost a very
close relative and I am preparing to bury her on Sunday. I should have
spent all this usenet time with her instead of indulging people's
opinions of what kind of PWHer I might be. When I said none of this
matters, I meant it.
I am sorry my contribution caused the newsgroups to veer off topic, and
I am party to the blame. I hope the forum returns to what it used to be
but it is clear that my presence does not help so I am unsubscribing
from these forums immediately and permanently. I accept full
responsibility for the distraction and chaos.
It's a beautiful day out, and I intend to go be in it. I wish every one
of you safety, success, health, and the best of luck.
(There's no door, and so you don't have to worry about my ass.)
-- Ron M. Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the
trolls. New to the group? Check out http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Try to ignore subject lines that are not freeware related.
POKO
the only two discussions
>..... I've started in a year, is not productive.
Spoken like the true gentleman you are. I'll miss you!
--
Best - POKO
Manitoulin Island, Canada
Ron May
> In article <4acf7e0f$1...@news.x-privat.org>, may...@hotmail.com says...
> the only two discussions
>>..... I've started in a year, is not productive.
>
> Spoken like the true gentleman you are. I'll miss you!
Thanks POKO, I'll miss you and all of ACF.
Jeffrey Bloss
> In article <4acf7e0f$1...@news.x-privat.org>, may...@hotmail.com says...
> the only two discussions
>>..... I've started in a year, is not productive.
>
> Spoken like the true gentleman you are. I'll miss you!
No worries, Pokehole, May isn't leaving any money on the ACF table.
--
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(@ @) Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
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grok! Devoted Microsoft User
Night Hawk
"Ron May" <may...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4acf...@news.x-privat.org...
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:27:33 -0400, POKO wrote:
>
>> In article <4acf7e0f$1...@news.x-privat.org>, may...@hotmail.com says...
>> the only two discussions
>>>..... I've started in a year, is not productive.
>>
>> Spoken like the true gentleman you are. I'll miss you!
>
> Thanks POKO, I'll miss you and all of ACF.
Hey Birdshit, your cage needs cleaning. Your pimps and forgeries are talking
to themselves.
Anonymous
from C Gattman
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/msg/
a92305e2a401c6d2>
from Ron May
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/426eeafcb72272fd>
> From 1998 until 2008 I worked in the internet industry chasing
> pedophiles, spammers, hackers and, after 2001, terrorists around the
> internet. Being exposed to photos or videos of babies being raped or
> people being beheaded, in the odd, sterile juxtaposition of office-
> world and without -really- being able to do anything about it creeps
> into your psyche and takes a toll. [ETC]
Jim Logajan
> Spot the difference.
The post to a.c.f was a hour later than Gattman's post from Google to the
aviation groups. The a.c.f post was via x-privat.org, which obscures the
originating IP address, so everything posted from it (and dizum.com) have
zero credibility and therefore zero value.
So is there a point to your efforts?
Ron May
You and I have gone round the bout before when I was trying to alert
your group of the upcoming sale of Pricelessware Cds with great
freeware. I remember that you acted like a dunce then so nothing has
changed.
Don't expect a response from me, troll.
Btw, nice try in setting the Follow-Up to alt.null, you dumbbcluck, do
you think freeware scientists like myself and others are as stupid as
people who fly around in the air and get killed by the scads?
Jeffrey Bloss
Jim, meet Ron May, ACF's chief scam artist and international criminal.
Enjoy.
Jim Logajan
> do you think freeware scientists like myself
Amusing self-assessment.
LouB
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:27:33 -0400, POKO wrote:
>
>> In article <4acf7e0f$1...@news.x-privat.org>, may...@hotmail.com says...
>> the only two discussions
>>> ..... I've started in a year, is not productive.
>> Spoken like the true gentleman you are. I'll miss you!
>
> Thanks POKO, I'll miss you and all of ACF.
Why can't you stick around and totally ignore the fools?
Either filter them or ignore their posts.
I skip any thread with crap in it.
Saves both aggravation and time:-))
Lou
Bjorn S.
Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
Should we killfile him?
--
All the best,
Bjorn S.
- I only post via <news.individual.net> or <news.broadpark.no>!
Caesar Romano
Re: [OT] So Long:
+1
--
I filter all messages from google groups.
Ron May
I can't take it anymore, Lou, you're right but the constant trolling,
forgeries and the backstabbing by ACFers who claim to be
pro-Pricelessware....it isn't worth it to me anymore.
Jeffrey Bloss
Then the Obstetrician said to LouBs parents, "He slipped right through
my hands, I'm so sorry, he landed right on his head."
Ron May
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:03:20 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> A person of great hubris wrote:
>>> do you think freeware scientists like myself
>>
>> Amusing self-assessment.
>
> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>
> Should we killfile him?
Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like the
asshole coward that he is.
Jeffrey Bloss
Then the Obstetrician turned to Ceaser Salad's parents and exclaimed "I
don't think he has had any oxygen in ten minutes, expect permanent
damage!"
Jeffrey Bloss
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:39:05 -0400, LouB wrote:
>
>> Ron May wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:27:33 -0400, POKO wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <4acf7e0f$1...@news.x-privat.org>, may...@hotmail.com says...
>>>> the only two discussions
>>>>> ..... I've started in a year, is not productive.
>>>> Spoken like the true gentleman you are. I'll miss you!
>>>
>>> Thanks POKO, I'll miss you and all of ACF.
>>
>> Why can't you stick around and totally ignore the fools?
>> Either filter them or ignore their posts.
>> I skip any thread with crap in it.
>> Saves both aggravation and time:-))
>>
>> Lou
>
> I can't take it anymore, Lou, you're right but the constant trolling,
> forgeries and the backstabbing by ACFers who claim to be
> pro-Pricelessware....it isn't worth it to me anymore.
Bullshit, May, yuo little baby, cry and whine because we exposed your
freeware distribution scam and now leave?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Jeffrey Bloss
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:36:42 -0400, Bjorn S. wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:03:20 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
>>
>>> A person of great hubris wrote:
>>>> do you think freeware scientists like myself
>>>
>>> Amusing self-assessment.
>>
>> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>>
>> Should we killfile him?
>
> Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like the
> asshole coward that he is.
Hmmm, so Jim Logajan is an assumed name? He has been posting for a
decade under an assumed name? One that people also use when they greet
him in person?
wow is he good or what?
No, no my bad, you and Bjorn The Boob are a matched set of morons.
renminbis
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:36:42 -0400, Bjorn S. wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:03:20 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
>>
>>> A person of great hubris wrote:
>>>> do you think freeware scientists like myself
>>>
>>> Amusing self-assessment.
>>
>> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>>
>> Should we killfile him?
>
> Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like the
> asshole coward that he is.
You were asked if there was controversy about the product you are
promoting. Your response to that query was no. Do you really think
all the folks here don't know how to read other newsgroups? A quick
glance at that group will give any reasonable person a different
impression than the one you are trying to convey. It appears, to me,
that you think you own the ACF newsgroup and that you are using it to
promote a product that claims to be free. There is much controversy
about this, even to the point of saying this product is illegal on
an international scale. It appears that more than a few readers of
that newsgroup object to you using it to promote a product that they
feel is *not* free... or even legal in the sense of violating
international copyright laws.
Is this debatable, subject to controversy, open to question or
dispute? My impression is yes, it is. You seem to want to brush this
little fact aside. That calls into question your integrity and the
value of the product you are trying to promote and it doesn't impel
me to support your cause or send "cash only" for a "free" product.
This is Usenet. If debate is a problem for you, then perhaps you
should only promote your product on a website or private moderated
web forum where all controversy can be filtered from public view.
Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention.
And have a nice day. :)
--
China holds $652 billion in Treasury debt; owns $3 of every $10
of America's public debt. To finance the US $1.700 trillion bailout of
the banks, China will have to buy that debt. Ain't life great when
slants and chinks own your soul?
Ron May
THERE IS NOBODY PROMOTING ANY PRODUCT WHATSOEVER EXCEPT THE FORGER!
All of the programs on the Pricelessware list are available to
download for free. It's a REQUIREMENT to qualify. There is and never
has been any attempt to market or sell anything WRT the Pricelessware
List or the Pricelesswarehome web site. PERIOD! CDs, now that is a
different thing, we have heavy costs to cover, heavy costs and we need
$24.95 per CD.
It's shit like this that smears the reputations of people who strongly
believe in playing by the rules that led me to speak out here.
Everything you referred to above is PROVABLY FALSE for anyone who
cares to spend the time looking at it.
Now quit trolling me Logajan and go fly your kites.
Jeffrey Bloss
I can't wait to hear how you can justify $25 USA for a fucking CD of
freeware, May, but, hey, you've never been shy about lying in the past
so have at it.
> It's shit like this that smears the reputations of people who strongly
> believe in playing by the rules that led me to speak out here.
Speak out? The Subject line is "So Long" so exactly when are you so
longing because many of us, droves MOF, so long for you to FOAD.
> Everything you referred to above is PROVABLY FALSE for anyone who
> cares to spend the time looking at it.
You're shouting again.
> Now quit trolling me Logajan and go fly your kites.
I don't know, Ronnie, it appears you've completely lost it. All gone.
Ground Brain Zero STS.
Dan Camper
> I can't wait to hear how you can justify $25 USA for a fucking CD of
> freeware, May, but, hey, you've never been shy about lying in the past
> so have at it.
They send them Federal Express, Floss.
--
http://tr.im/1f9p
Jeffrey Bloss
No shit well isn't that (e)special(ly) stupid. lol
Gordon Darling
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:39:05 -0400, LouB wrote:
>
>> Ron May wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:27:33 -0400, POKO wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <4acf7e0f$1...@news.x-privat.org>, may...@hotmail.com says...
>>>> the only two discussions
>>>>> ..... I've started in a year, is not productive.
>>>> Spoken like the true gentleman you are. I'll miss you!
>>>
>>> Thanks POKO, I'll miss you and all of ACF.
>>
>> Why can't you stick around and totally ignore the fools?
>> Either filter them or ignore their posts.
>> I skip any thread with crap in it.
>> Saves both aggravation and time:-))
>>
>> Lou
>
> I can't take it anymore, Lou, you're right but the constant trolling,
> forgeries and the backstabbing by ACFers who claim to be
> pro-Pricelessware....it isn't worth it to me anymore.
I'm not quitting until I get my $100 back I put into REM's hands as an
advance for shipping and handling costs for the CDs.
After that, do what you want but you call the troll a coward while you
run off and leave us leaderlesss?
Bjorn S.
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:36:42 -0400, Bjorn S. wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:03:20 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
>>
>>> A person of great hubris wrote:
>>>> do you think freeware scientists like myself
>>>
>>> Amusing self-assessment.
>>
>> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>>
>> Should we killfile him?
>
> Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like the
> asshole coward that he is.
Done!
Dan Camper
Ron May
>On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:03:20 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> A person of great hubris wrote:
>>> do you think freeware scientists like myself
>>
>> Amusing self-assessment.
>
>Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>
>Should we killfile him?
Yes Bjorn, killfile him immediately, if not sooner.
What the aviation crackpots do is up to them, I'm not bothered.
Thanks Good Guys.
Let's keep these Asshole Cowardly Trolls off ACF.
<VBG>
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please feed the trolls.
New to the group? Check out http://www.pricelessware.org/
and try to ignore the threads that are freeware related.
Jim Logajan
> No, no my bad, you and Bjorn The Boob are a matched set of morons.
All the posts I've seen from Ron and Bjorn and about a half dozen or more
other handles in the "From:" header (I haven't kept close count) are
actually from the same person.
So they are merely matched - they are the same person.
Jim Logajan
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:36:42 -0400, Bjorn S. wrote:
>> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>> Should we killfile him?
>
> Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like the
> asshole coward that he is.
Anyone knowing the rudiments of Usenet operation and taking a moment of
observation can see you are holding a conversation with yourself.
I see that no one has yet told you that the "X-Authenticated-User:" header
that x-privat.org adds to each post uniquely IDs each of its users,
irrespective of what those users put in the "From:" header.
So all the posts you've been making to the various newsgroups under
multiple handles (which appears to be quite a few) really exposes your
emotional issues for all the world to see. Opposite your intent, no doubt.
You probably aren't stupid, but you do seem to have very poor control of
your emotions - at least with respect to online actions. Your intellect
isn't making a fool of you so much as your loose emotional control. Perhaps
if you direct your efforts into something constructive (rather than
destructive) while you learn better self-control (and well-earned humilty,)
you'll become a better person for the effort.
Jim Logajan
Intended to write:
So they aren't merely matched - they are the same person.
Gordon Darling
[Jim Logajan] wrote this on A.C.F.:
I noticed that too, but I'm afraid Ron May has been like that as far
back as I can remember. He has an unfortunate tendency to get very fired
up about silly little things and lets off steam on this newsgroup, using
endless socks/forgeries but without realising how destructive he is.
Of course some of it is related to his role in the Pricelessware Racket
and his desperate attempts to divert attention away from the alleged
financial scandals.
-Gordon
Jeffrey Bloss
?????
Jeffrey Bloss
Wouldn't surprise me, May is capable of anything.
Jeffrey Bloss
Problem is over, I have contacted the x-[rivat group and they have
banned "Ron May" from any further use of hteir services.
Jeffrey Bloss
May tries valiantly to give the impression that there was no
controversy as to the commercial and legal aspect of the product he is
promoting in alt.comp.freeware and now he is "spamming" another Usenet
newsgroup that isn't about "freeware" but is about aviation.
The only point in using sock puppets is to drown out the opposing
viewpoint by presenting a volume of fake posters to mislead others,
usually the noobs. The intent is not in presenting a valid argument.
Using sock puppets is misdirection. The malcontent is attempting to add
volume (in numbers of identities) rather than logic in their content to
convince other visitors to that group. Hiding behind sock puppets
(and often hiding behind remailers) is not done for beneficial reasons.
They replace eloquence and logic with a volume of fake identities.
So goes the Pricelessware goon squad, scammers to the end.
Bjorn S.
{Craig} wrote:-
>"Caesar Romano" wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:39:05 -0400, LouB <Lo...@invalid.org> wrote Re
>>Re: [OT] So Long:
>>
>>>Ron May wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:27:33 -0400, POKO wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <4acf7e0f$1...@news.x-privat.org>, may...@hotmail.com
>says...
>>>>> the only two discussions
>>>>>> ..... I've started in a year, is not productive.
>>>>> Spoken like the true gentleman you are. I'll miss you!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks POKO, I'll miss you and all of ACF.
>>>
>>>Why can't you stick around and totally ignore the fools?
>>>Either filter them or ignore their posts.
>>>I skip any thread with crap in it.
>>>Saves both aggravation and time:-))
>>>
>>>Lou
>>
>>+1
>
>+10
>
>-Craig
+1000
John Corliss
>I can't take it anymore, Lou, you're right but the constant trolling,
>forgeries and the backstabbing by ACFers who claim to be
>pro-Pricelessware....it isn't worth it to me anymore.
Hi Ron,
Don't be such a fucking cry baby.
I'm not going to waste any more time trying to participate in this
group as a regular. I'll probably check in now and again, but I'm going
to be using the same tactics that were employed to destroy the group.
I'll be using sock puppets and anonymous accounts just like the
assholes whose goal it was to destroy this group. And if they think I'm
incapable of head games like THEY used, they're sadly mistaken. I'm
going to make participating in this group a living hell for them.
I'd sure like to get my hands on these God-damned asshole trolls.
My baseball bat is itching for some exercise.
--
John Corliss BS206. I block all Google Groups posts with NewsProxy
because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet,
nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me,
please.
Original discussion about ACF creation:
http://www.geocities.com/rtd3ws/Discsn.html, ACF Control messages:
http://www.geocities.com/rtd3ws/Cntrlmsg.html
V-ampire
> my presence does not help so I am unsubscribing
>from these forums immediately and permanently.
I always wondered why people telling I'M GOING FOREVER are back less
than 24 hours later and then they come back for a lot longer using
another alias.
--
V-ampire
Franklin
> Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:36:42 -0400, Bjorn S. wrote:
>>> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>>> Should we killfile him?
>>
>> Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like
>> the asshole coward that he is.
>
> Anyone knowing the rudiments of Usenet operation and taking a moment
> of observation can see you are holding a conversation with yourself.
>
> I see that no one has yet told you that the "X-Authenticated-User:"
> header that x-privat.org adds to each post uniquely IDs each of its
> users, irrespective of what those users put in the "From:" header.
Darn! You told him! It's been interesting watching which identities he
uses or which he hijacks. Here are some posts by Desk Rabbit, Snuwulf
and Chrissy Cruiser which all shared his old same header.
X-Authenticated-User: $$wt$7w$25xx_gbj-cgvi5hl
Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com>
<http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/67347ee146eb9
f0a?dmode=source>
snuhwolf <snuh...@yahoo.com>
<http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/a221f028c5069
d1e?dmode=source>
Chrissy Cruiser <twinbr...@yahoo.com>
<http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/76893451a49c0
d7f?dmode=source>
> So all the posts you've been making to the various newsgroups under
> multiple handles (which appears to be quite a few) really exposes your
> emotional issues for all the world to see. Opposite your intent, no
> doubt.
>
> You probably aren't stupid, but you do seem to have very poor control
> of your emotions - at least with respect to online actions. Your
> intellect isn't making a fool of you so much as your loose emotional
> control. Perhaps if you direct your efforts into something
> constructive (rather than destructive) while you learn better
> self-control (and well-earned humilty,) you'll become a better person
> for the effort.
There's a lot more. :)
Roger Hunt
--
Roger Hunt
Ron May
Everything you lot post about me is complete crap.
You're just a bunch of scum pond life and asshole cowardly trolls.
I never have charged more than $30 for a Pricelesware CD. Due to the
recession I have reduced that to $24.95 and I believe that is a fair
price for 700MB of freeware.
Mike Ash
<ca5e52bc3c4bfdc9...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>,
Ron May <ron...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Everything you lot post about me is complete crap.
> You're just a bunch of scum pond life and asshole cowardly trolls.
>
> I never have charged more than $30 for a Pricelesware CD. Due to the
> recession I have reduced that to $24.95 and I believe that is a fair
> price for 700MB of freeware.
[apologies to the other rap readers for this note; I promise not to
spend too much time on this guy]
Are you aware that "free" does not necessarily imply "free to
redistribute", and that your distribution of this CD therefore almost
certainly constitutes copyright violation (for profit, no less!) in most
Western countries? Certainly some of your software may come with
permission to redistribute, but just to pick one at random, I'm pretty
sure that Google's Picasa 2 does not.
--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
Jim Logajan
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:29:32 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:36:42 -0400, Bjorn S. wrote:
>>>> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>>>> Should we killfile him?
>>>
>>> Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like
>>> the asshole coward that he is.
>>
>> Anyone knowing the rudiments of Usenet operation and taking a moment
>> of observation can see you are holding a conversation with yourself.
>>
>> I see that no one has yet told you that the "X-Authenticated-User:"
>> header that x-privat.org adds to each post uniquely IDs each of its
>> users, irrespective of what those users put in the "From:" header.
>
> Problem is over, I have contacted the x-[rivat group and they have
> banned "Ron May" from any further use of hteir services.
I find that hard to believe because:
1) You allegedly managed that in under two hours after my post.
2) The only time I ever sent a complaint to the x-privat.org abuse address,
there was no acknowledgement of when or if they took action.
3) You failed to state what rationale you provided to x-privat that would
yield such rapid results.
4) You are posting from eternal-september.org, another free Usenet portal
that obscures the actual sender, so your real identity and motives are
unknown.
So you could be the same person and posted the "problem over" as quickly as
possible in order to preempt any abuse reports by others.
Posts like yours from anonymizing Usenet service providers can never be
trusted. Try posting via a reputable commercial service (as little as
$2/month; e.g. newsguy.com) or even Google, which at least includes the
source IP address.
Craig
> In article
> <ca5e52bc3c4bfdc9...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>,
> Ron May<ron...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Everything you lot post about me is complete crap.
>> You're just a bunch of scum pond life and asshole cowardly trolls.
>>
>> I never have charged more than $30 for a Pricelesware CD. Due to the
>> recession I have reduced that to $24.95 and I believe that is a fair
>> price for 700MB of freeware.
>
> [apologies to the other rap readers for this note; I promise not to
> spend too much time on this guy]
>
> Are you aware that "free" does not necessarily imply "free to
> redistribute", and that your distribution of this CD therefore almost
For what it's worth, you're replying to a forgery. Pricelessware is
just that, priceless, aka free. If you want it, free of charge, post
where it's on topic and I'd be happy to send you the disks.
hth,
--
-Craig
Jeffrey Bloss
> "Ron May" wrote:
>
>>I can't take it anymore, Lou, you're right but the constant trolling,
>>forgeries and the backstabbing by ACFers who claim to be
>>pro-Pricelessware....it isn't worth it to me anymore.
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> Don't be such a fucking cry baby.
>
> I'm not going to waste any more time trying to participate in this
> group as a regular. I'll probably check in now and again, I'd sure
> like to get my hands on you you God-damned asshole troll. My baseball
> bat is itching for some exercise.
John, seriously, don't step out now, we need you ever-vigilance.
Jeffrey Bloss
I am beginning to hate your very presence, May.
> I never have charged more than $30 for a Pricelesware CD. Due to the
> recession I have reduced that to $24.95 and I believe that is a fair
> price for 700MB of freeware.
>
> <VBG>
There is *NO* reason to charge that much and you have never delivered on
CD by FedEx.
Jeffrey Bloss
> Jeffrey Bloss <jeffre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:29:32 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
>>
>>> Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:36:42 -0400, Bjorn S. wrote:
>>>>> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>>>>> Should we killfile him?
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like
>>>> the asshole coward that he is.
>>>
>>> Anyone knowing the rudiments of Usenet operation and taking a moment
>>> of observation can see you are holding a conversation with yourself.
>>>
>>> I see that no one has yet told you that the "X-Authenticated-User:"
>>> header that x-privat.org adds to each post uniquely IDs each of its
>>> users, irrespective of what those users put in the "From:" header.
> [...]
>>
>> Problem is over, I have contacted the x-[rivat group and they have
>> banned "Ron May" from any further use of hteir services.
>
> I find that hard to believe because:
>
> 1) You allegedly managed that in under two hours after my post.
I have been after Ron May's forgeries for months now.
> 2) The only time I ever sent a complaint to the x-privat.org abuse address,
> there was no acknowledgement of when or if they took action.
See above.
> 3) You failed to state what rationale you provided to x-privat that would
> yield such rapid results.
See above.
> 4) You are posting from eternal-september.org, another free Usenet portal
> that obscures the actual sender, so your real identity and motives are
> unknown.
My Usenet posting history is for all to see.
> So you could be the same person and posted the "problem over" as quickly as
> possible in order to preempt any abuse reports by others.
So could you FTM.
> Posts like yours from anonymizing Usenet service providers can never be
> trusted. Try posting via a reputable commercial service (as little as
> $2/month; e.g. newsguy.com) or even Google, which at least includes the
> source IP address.
I'll post from wherever I want to.
Regards,
JB
Jeffrey Bloss
> Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:36:42 -0400, Bjorn S. wrote:
>>>> Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>>>> Should we killfile him?
>>>
>>> Absolutely. who needs this wanker posting under an assumed name like
>>> the asshole coward that he is.
>>
>> Anyone knowing the rudiments of Usenet operation and taking a moment
>> of observation can see you are holding a conversation with yourself.
>>
>> I see that no one has yet told you that the "X-Authenticated-User:"
>> header that x-privat.org adds to each post uniquely IDs each of its
>> users, irrespective of what those users put in the "From:" header.
>
> Darn! You told him! It's been interesting watching which identities he
> uses or which he hijacks. Here are some posts by Desk Rabbit, Snuwulf
> and Chrissy Cruiser which all shared his old same header.
Good catch, Frank!
LL
Lew
Mike Ash
Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
Just because you're not charging for it doesn't make it legal. Unless
the software in question explicitly allows such redistribution, it's not
allowed, free or otherwise.
Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
> Just because you're not charging for it doesn't make it legal. Unless
> the software in question explicitly allows such redistribution, it's not
> allowed, free or otherwise.
>
IOW - even if the *original* license precludes redistribution, the
entity granting the license may authorise redistribution if they so
chose, under whatever limitations they may chose. Which is what happens
with the Pricelessware CD.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
Craig
> In article<hark0v$34m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
OK, I apologize. I see I didn't answer you directly.
We have explicit permission to redistribute the software contained on
Pricelessware disks. That is, either the license allows for it or, the
author has given it.
If you're so inclined, you can prove this to yourself. The CD index is
available here: <http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/CumulativePL-CD.php>.
--
-Craig
Craig
> Craig and other Pricelessware people have been strongly advised to
> remove the ISOs from their download server, but so far no action
> has been taken.
True. However, Hummingbird has been strongly advised to commit suicide
but so far no action has been taken...
Because that would be ludicrous "advice" and rightfully ignored.
--
-Craig
Jeffrey Bloss
> On 10/11/2009 07:16 AM, hummingbird wrote:
>> Craig and other Pricelessware people have been strongly advised to
>> remove the ISOs from their download server, but so far no action
>> has been taken.
>
> True. However, Hummingbird has been strongly advised to commit suicide
> but so far no action has been taken...
Typical Pricelessware dodge, Craig, why not tell them about your
nomination and support of a known women torturer and convicted fraud for
Pricelessware webmaster, John Fitzsimons. Google "fraud" "John
Fitzsimons"
Or explain to them why mysteriously both he and the web server owner "Q"
have disappeared once the scam hit the Usenet streets.
Jeffrey Bloss
Excellent now produce for all to view the specific written
authorizations and other author permissions and everything will be
okey-dokey.
You can't. The Pricelessware scam is illegal in almost too many ways to
count.
You're a criminal, Craig and an asshole, a real kewl combination of
dirtbag and shithead.
xpost reinstated
alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Jeffrey Bloss
Bzzzzzzt what a joke, you have no *written* permissions, many authoirs
are unaware that you are distroeing their freeware *and* collecting
fees, donations, SndH and other monies, Scumbags that you all are.
Jeffrey Bloss
> Good Guy: "Bjorn S." wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:03:20 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
>>
>>> A person of great hubris wrote:
>>>> do you think freeware scientists like myself
>>>
>>> Amusing self-assessment.
>>
>>Ron, pay no attention to this crossposting *TROLL*.
>>
>>Should we killfile him?
>
> Yes Bjorn, killfile him immediately, if not sooner.
> What the aviation crackpots do is up to them, I'm not bothered.
>
> Thanks Good Guys.
> Let's keep these Asshole Cowardly Trolls off ACF.
>
> <VBG>
That worked super well for you, didn't it Ronnie?
Jeffrey Bloss
>>However, Hummingbird has been strongly advised to commit suicide
>>but so far no action has been taken...
>>
>>Because that would be ludicrous "advice" and rightfully ignored.
>
> Hilarious, indeed. I would never take advice from such loons.
> But I see you are true to form: attack the messenger/ignore the
> message <sigh>.
>
> Your "appointment" as the new webmaster of Pricelessware has so
> far not been inspiring. You were in a perfect position to clean up
> the Pricelessware Act, but I see no change <sigh>.
Remember Craig took the job when commanded to do so by Head Goon Ron May
after John Fitzsimons was elected Head Goon. Of course, what could Craig
do when Fitzsimons was outed....
..except take the Vice Criminality position since he phucked the goose
by collaborating with Fitzsimons in the first place.
Hey, Craig, do you wish to comment, floor is yours.
jan olieslagers
( ...)
Kiddie, if you must go on could you kindly do so outside
rec-aviation-piloting ? There's some real world people round, please
respect.
TIA
Jeffrey Bloss
Ron May
wrote:
> Good bye Ron. May life treat you well.
>
> Lew
I'm not going anywhere. The forgers just *WISH* I were. <g>
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
New to the group? Check out http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
and try to ignore the threads that aren't freeware related.
Sidney Lambe
> 'Gary R. Schmidt' wrote thus:
> authorisations are available for all to see. Right?
> So far, Q, Craig, Ron May, BeAr, Bugher and a bunch of other
> Pricelessware people have been unable to do that.
False argument.
You're inventing a new standard for publishing freeware. You did well to
sucker so many people into your troll.
Why don't you ask NoNags, Download.com, SnapFiles, Softpedia and
everyone else why they don't display a certifcate for each application
to prove they are allowed to distribute it? What a goon.
The proof is in the licence for each freeware. Why don't you read it if
you want to know what it says?
--
Jeffrey Bloss
> 'Jeffrey Bloss' wrote thus:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:44:55 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>>>However, Hummingbird has been strongly advised to commit suicide
>>>>but so far no action has been taken...
>>>>
>>>>Because that would be ludicrous "advice" and rightfully ignored.
>>>
>>> Hilarious, indeed. I would never take advice from such loons.
>>> But I see you are true to form: attack the messenger/ignore the
>>> message <sigh>.
>>>
>>> Your "appointment" as the new webmaster of Pricelessware has so
>>> far not been inspiring. You were in a perfect position to clean up
>>> the Pricelessware Act, but I see no change <sigh>.
>>
>>Remember Craig took the job when commanded to do so by Head Goon Ron May
>>after John Fitzsimons was elected Head Goon. Of course, what could Craig
>>do when Fitzsimons was outed....
>>
>>http://preview.xrl.in/y9
>>
>><http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22john+fitzsimons%22+fraud&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3MOZA_enUS347US347&ie=UTF-8>
>>
>>..except take the Vice Criminality position since he phucked the goose
>>by collaborating with Fitzsimons in the first place.
>>
>>Hey, Craig, do you wish to comment, floor is yours.
>
> I smell some more e-mails between Pricelessware goons...
You can bet your ass that none of the Pricelessware goons will comment
on Usenet.
> Pricelessware gets to be famous:
> <http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22pricelessware+racket%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=>
(In)famous and well deserved.
Jeffrey Bloss
> "Gary R. Schmidt" <grsc...@acm.org> wrote in
> news:nb69q6-...@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au:
> I would add...just because a program was voted to be "Pricelessware",
> that doesn't mean that it will be included in the "Pricelessware
> CD/DVD" for a given year. Those "Pricelessware" programs that don't
> explicitly allow redistribution or with permission granted by contact
> with the authors, will not be included on the CD/DVD.
Lie. I have a Pricelessware CD that has freeware without several authors
knowing mych less permitting.
> Every attempt
> has been made to obtain said permissions for any program in doubt.
Lie. And even if true, "I tried but failed" does not allow or permit.
Scam!
>If
> there is any doubt at all with said permissions, the program/s will
> be excluded.
Lie see above.
Jeffrey Bloss
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:25:52 -0700, LL <Cult...@CultsSuck.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good bye Ron. May life treat you well.
>>
>> Lew
>
> I'm not going anywhere. The forgers just *WISH* I were. <g>
Interesting comment since x-private and Jim Logajan have outed *you* as
the forger most likely to have conversations with himself.
Night Hawk
"hummingbum" <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:3d6e319357171b62...@aracari.127.0.0.1...
>
> Exactly so. I have two comments to add:
Get a clue. Nobody is interested in your lies BattyBoy
Srick it up your bum
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Sorry, that you got dragged into this mess of trolling, forging,
defaming,... which goes on in alt.comp.freeware for months. Any
reasonable aspect has been considered and expounded dozens of
times, by now.
Since the matter is completely OT in your group, it (IMHO) would
be best to completely refrain from responding in this thread.
Even requests to keep the subject out of r.a.p will just add
fuel to the "discussion". - Probably mostly of some forgers and
sock puppets with themselves... :-(
F'up set to a.c.f.
;---------------
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:49:28 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
> Then you can provide a single URL to the place where these
> authorisations are available for all to see. Right?
> So far, Q, Craig, Ron May, BeAr, Bugher and a bunch of other
> Pricelessware people have been unable to do that.
Discussing single program in July did not help:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/04c3e0b41f182ba2
-> i.e.: Message-ID: <134bk8to...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>
Referring to the annual license checking in July didn't help, either:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/1293fdf3fee17719
-> i.e.: Message-ID: <n5l4aw2tvl3d$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>
Creating a complete summary of license checking this month seems futile:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/20a681aaa8c2becd
-> i.e.: Message-ID: <97fwmjs6treg$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>
You (and some others) simply want to destroy one of the best altruistic
freeware promoting projects on the Net. Out of reasons only known to
you and the other fact-resistent ones. And you don't hesitate to cite
from the dung heap of "evidence" created by forgers during the months
to discredit people taking part in the Pricelessware election... :-(
BeAr
--
===========================================================================
= What do you mean with: "Perfection is always an illusion"? =
===============================================================--(Oops!)===
Jeffrey Bloss
"Sidney Lambe" <nos...@server.com> wrote in message
news:hat4ln$sd7$1...@news.mixmin.net...
> False argument.
>
> You're inventing a new standard for publishing freeware. You did well to
> sucker so many people into your troll.
>
> Why don't you ask NoNags, Download.com, SnapFiles, Softpedia and everyone
> else why they don't display a certifcate for each application to prove
> they are allowed to distribute it? What a goon.
>
> The proof is in the licence for each freeware. Why don't you read it if
> you want to know what it says?
Don't bother trying logic with BirdieBrain. He's been lying too long to
uderstand logic.
Jeffrey Bloss
> To rec.aviation.piloting:
>
> Sorry, that you got dragged into this mess of trolling, forging,
> defaming,... which goes on in alt.comp.freeware for months. Any
> reasonable aspect has been considered and expounded dozens of
> times, by now.
You spent days putting together the biggest and most prolific diversion
from one single, important question.
Why is it that you and the Pricelessware goons distribute freeware for
fees without the specific authors' knowledge and permissions to do so?
> Since the matter is completely OT in your group, it (IMHO) would
> be best to completely refrain from responding in this thread.
> Even requests to keep the subject out of r.a.p will just add
> fuel to the "discussion". - Probably mostly of some forgers and
> sock puppets with themselves... :-(
Brother, you will go to no ends to hide your shame.
Jeffrey Bloss
"Jeffrey Bloss" <jeffre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hat6kb$j89$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
suck the birdies cock
Jim Logajan
> Craig and other Pricelessware people have been strongly advised to
> has been taken.
If you or any other posters to a.c.f believe copyright theft is happening,
your only legal recourse is to contact the owners of said copyrights and
alert them to the suspected activity. It is then up to them to take legal
action, if any.
No amount of posting to Usenet groups can ever substitute for legal actions
by the alleged copyright victims.
Jim Logajan
> The Pricelessware scam is illegal in almost too many ways to count.
Then bring it to the attention of legal authorities. No Usenet reader has
any legal power to do anything about those sorts of allegations and I have
no doubt you understand that. You seem to be an intelligent person, but in
my very humble opinion you're letting your emotions dictate your actions.
My humble advice is to contact the copyright holders about what you believe
may be illegal use of their material and let them decide what action, if
any, is to be taken.
Jeffrey Bloss
> hummingbird <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> Craig and other Pricelessware people have been strongly advised to
>> remove the ISOs from their download server, but so far no action
>> has been taken.
>
> If you or any other posters to a.c.f believe copyright theft is happening,
> your only legal recourse is to contact the owners of said copyrights and
> alert them to the suspected activity. It is then up to them to take legal
> action, if any.
Criminal action can be taken and investigation is under way by US and
other government LEAs.
> No amount of posting to Usenet groups can ever substitute for legal actions
> by the alleged copyright victims.
Agreed but it gets the word out.
Jeffrey Bloss
> BeAr,
> I don't know who you are accusing of trolling but my comments
> to Gary (which you jumped in and responded to) are no troll.
>
> They raise the same issue that's been around for several months
> unanswered, namely that nobody within the Pricelessware outfit
> which posts on ACF is able to provide evidence that every
> freeware program included on the Pricelessware downloadable
> CD.ISOs, have been approved by the authors.
>
> Craig appeared in this thread and provided a false link to a PWH
> website page which was pure obfuscation - it had nothing to do
> with the issue.
>
> Your earlier thread contained 1460 lines and I checked the first
> three links of scores but they did not provide the requested
> evidence.
>
> What's a guy supposed to think when there's so much diversion
> and obfuscation going on???
+1000
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
is *OT* in that group.
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:04:15 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
> BeAr,
[...]
> Your earlier thread contained 1460 lines and I checked the first
> three links of scores but they did not provide the requested
> evidence.
You couldn't be bothered to at least get an impression of the content of
that posting??? Yet, you continue posting nonsense about Pricelessware
and the license checking???
The posting contains at the first ~40 lines the links to all 2009
license checking threads. The next ~100 lines mention special cases
and explain, that - if people would like to do, what you and others
accuse them to do - doing it the PL CD creation way would be plainly
stupid.
From about line 135 to the end, the license checking and decision
for *every* PL2008 program is summarized. So you could have checked
your "favorite suspicious".
But throwing unfounded accusations again and again is easier, so
you just skip over every fact that might get in the way... :-(
> What's a guy supposed to think when there's so much diversion
> and obfuscation going on???
The obfuscation of forgers posting as PL participants, trolls
ignoring facts, and so on!? I'm sooo tired of these "games"!
Acf *could* be such a valuable place to stop by...
Night Hawk
>On 10/10/2009 06:05 PM, Mike Ash wrote:
>> In article
>> <ca5e52bc3c4bfdc9...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>,
>> Ron May<ron...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Everything you lot post about me is complete crap.
>>> You're just a bunch of scum pond life and asshole cowardly trolls.
>>>
>>> I never have charged more than $30 for a Pricelesware CD. Due to the
>>> recession I have reduced that to $24.95 and I believe that is a fair
>>> price for 700MB of freeware.
>>
>> [apologies to the other rap readers for this note; I promise not to
>> spend too much time on this guy]
>>
>> Are you aware that "free" does not necessarily imply "free to
>> redistribute", and that your distribution of this CD therefore almost
>> certainly constitutes copyright violation...
>
>For what it's worth, you're replying to a forgery. Pricelessware is
>just that, priceless, aka free. If you want it, free of charge, post
>where it's on topic and I'd be happy to send you the disks.
>
>hth,
LOL. Whoooooooooooooooooooooooosh.
A pig just flew past the window.
Jeffrey Bloss
> The obfuscation of forgers posting as PL participants, trolls
> ignoring facts, and so on!? I'm sooo tired of these "games"!
> Acf *could* be such a valuable place to stop by...
>
> BeAr
Don't let the jaildoor smack your ass on the way out, Scammer.
Jeffrey Bloss
Speaking of Pricelessware, you have your own alt.comp.pricelessware
Usenet group but you continually post and crosspost OT Pricelessware
information to
alt.comp.freeware,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student,
nd alt.paranormal.
Clean up your act, Craigee before you turn into Usenet Kop/Lecturer.
your morals suck and your actions speak your criminal deeds.
Jeffrey Bloss
> I only wish to know exactly what approval was asked of each author
> and exactly what response each author gave. eg: it may be that an
> author was not accurately appraised of the fact that his freeware
> program was to be included in an ISO, easily downloadable for
> distribution, by anybody, anywhere in the world. He may have
> assumed it was a physical distribution of a CD with some sort of
> control system in place by PWH, to prevent copywrite abuse.
>
> But as we know, there is no control at all.
Above is the crux of the matter and it is the responsibility of the
Pricelessware goons to adhere.
If the Pricelessware goons took their collective time, resources, off
ACF emails, endless voting, etc and if they applied as little as 10% of
this rather humongous effort to the posting of author's permissions for
public viewing, the goons could debunk this so-called "lie" rather
quickly.
What do we learn from their refusal to focus just a minor portion of
their energies on their obvious responsibilities??
*They don't have the permissions.*
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
>
>>Reference to rec.aviation.piloting removed *again*, since the matter
>>is *OT* in that group.
>
>I don't see you wishing to deal with that!
Your childish behavior is disgusting! Even if Pricelessware *was* OT in
acf (which it is not - discussing the best freeware is on-topic in acf),
it would (it *is*) still be *very bad* manner to let r.a.p suffer as a
surrogate. Group r.a.p removed, again.
;--------------------
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:08:56 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
> I want to see the request and response from each author, where necessary.
> Hell! they do exist. Right? LOL.
You still prefer shots in the dark to actual investigation?! In my long
posting you see for instance:
| ----------------------------------------------------------------------
| PROGRAM: Hash
| CHECKED_BY: T0M
| Message-ID: <rtt6o4pcjekkdm9e9...@4ax.com>
| RESULT: OK
| PL_CD: 1
| DECISION_EXCERPT: Just received the authorization from Robin ! [...] Hi,
| yes, certainly, go ahead and include the programs. Thank you for asking.
| [...] (Yours programs "K9", "Hash" and "Neutron" have been elected and now
| we would like to build an ISO file to include all the 2008 winners. This
| ISO will be available from the net.)
| ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Following the Message-ID (I wrote, how to search with GoogleGroups if the
posting isn't locally available, anymore) you get:
| vince a �crit:
|
| >>Would you please email Robin Keir and ask for authorization to
| >>redistribute his three programs, K-9, Hash and Neutron on the
| >>PL2008CD? This is probably overkill, but I'd hate to do anything that
| >>would negatively impact Mr. Keir's attitude toward making freeware.
| >>
| >>Thanks
|
| Just received the authorization from Robin !
|
| Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:55:20 -0800
| From: Robin Keir <robin @ keir.net>
| User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209)
| To: T**** <t*** @ yahoo.fr>
| Subject: Re: Persmission request for ISO project
|
|
| Hi,
|
|
| yes, certainly, go ahead and include the programs. Thank you for asking.
|
|
|
| T***** wrote:
| Dear Robin,
| As an active member of usenet forum alt.comp.freeware, each year we vote
| to elect the best freewares from differents catagories.
| Yours programs "K9", "Hash" and "Neutron" have been elected and now we
| would like to build an ISO file to include all the 2008 winners. This
| ISO will be available from the net.
|
|
| So, I would like to know if you agree to let us put your three program
| in this ISO ?
|
|
| Thank you in advance,
| T****
|
|
| P.S All infos about this project can be found here:
| http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-Procedures.php
Don't hesitate to follow the link in the last line:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-Procedures.php
It makes clear, that ISO downloads and burned CD's will *both* be
available.
> I only wish to know exactly what approval was asked of each author
> and exactly what response each author gave. eg: it may be that an
> author was not accurately appraised of the fact that his freeware
> program was to be included in an ISO, easily downloadable for
> distribution, by anybody, anywhere in the world. He may have
> assumed it was a physical distribution of a CD with some sort of
> control system in place by PWH, to prevent copywrite abuse.
As I already wrote in this posting:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/1293fdf3fee17719
in July to you:
You are *making up* a "case" in place of the freeware authors. Now
you even allege, that they issued permission without checking, *what*
they are permitting. Do you think they're all mentally under-age and
need your supervision??
If you have doubts about a certain program, the *only* way you can
resolve the matter (if you mistrust everything related to Pricelessware)
is to contact that author.
Jeffrey Bloss
FOAD
Jeffrey Bloss
Still sucking birdbrains cock?
Jeffrey Bloss
FOAD
Jeffrey Bloss
> You are *making up* a "case" in place of the freeware authors. Now
> you even allege, that they issued permission without checking, *what*
> they are permitting. Do you think they're all mentally under-age and
> need your supervision??
>
> If you have doubts about a certain program, the *only* way you can
> resolve the matter (if you mistrust everything related to Pricelessware)
> is to contact that author.
If the Pricelessware goons took their collective time, resources, off
Las Vegas Don
here. If you want to head on, I understand. But there is a lot of
great people here.
On Oct 9, 12:16 pm, Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From 1998 until 2008 I worked in the internet industry chasing
> pedophiles, spammers, hackers and, after 2001, terrorists around the
> internet. Being exposed to photos or videos of babies being raped or
> people being beheaded, in the odd, sterile juxtaposition of office-
> world and without -really- being able to do anything about it creeps
> into your psyche and takes a toll. You'd walk into the coffee room or a
> meeting after seeing something like that, trying to shake it off, and
> some marketing geek would be upset about how much revenue we'll lose if
> we shut down a host of known terrorist sites, or somebody would make
> some flippant joke about how I got to look at porn while others work
> for a living... After awhile, you become suspicious of all of the
> people around you because any of them could be--might be-- pedophiles.
> An image that haunts me is a close-up video of how a young man's mouth
> foams, and the way his eyes go, while his head is being hacked off on a
> public street. I will not describe the child pornography.
Reality is notwhat you have watched or seen. You must know this.
Please act with that reality in mind.
>
> In those days the freeware newsgroups, and especially the wisdom and
> kindess of gentlemen like BeAr and Craig offered a sufficient
> distraction and source of information and leadership.
>
> People assign far too much importance to all of the wrong things. Often
> times, they bottle up their frustration and take it out on some forum
> somewhere. Others take it out on their families or coworkers. It
> becomes a habit, it diminishes one's character, and one doesn't have to
> engage in it to see it. It solves nothing and only furthers the erosion
> of civility.
>
> I stuck out Dilbert-world, 50 hours a week living like veal. Now, I work
> from home part of the day--I've got a three year old on my lap.
>
> It took a very short time to see the old patterns of bottled up
> frustration and abusive banter that you encounter on almost all public,
> and particularly usenet, forums. It's like a funk you get used to until
> you leave, but it's instantly recognizable when you come back. It's
> like a Star Trek convention. William Shatner can advise Trekkies to get
> a life, but at any Trek convention there's always going to be some
> group angrily jabbering at each other in Klingon.
>
> There are not bad people on this forum. There are, to be sure, some
> very good people here. But the interpersonal hostility that flies
> around and, at present, seems to be flooding the only two discussions
> I've started in a year, is not productive.
>
> It's clear that many of the most inspiring contributors have moved on
> and that these are not the forums they once were. In the meantime,
> while I was engaged in the runway incursion flamewars, I lost a very
> close relative and I am preparing to bury her on Sunday. I should have
> spent all this usenet time with her instead of indulging people's
> opinions of what kind of PWHer I might be. When I said none of this
> matters, I meant it.
>
> I am sorry my contribution caused the newsgroups to veer off topic, and
> I am party to the blame. I hope the forum returns to what it used to be
> but it is clear that my presence does not help so I am unsubscribing
> from these forums immediately and permanently. I accept full
> responsibility for the distraction and chaos.
>
> It's a beautiful day out, and I intend to go be in it. I wish every one
> of you safety, success, health, and the best of luck.
>
> (There's no door, and so you don't have to worry about my ass.)
>
> -- Ron M. Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the
> trolls. New to the group? Check outhttp://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
> Try to ignore subject lines that are not freeware related.
Las Vegas Don
have commoin sence can be so touchy about stranger views, ...strangers
mind you.
Ignore them.
Don in Vegas
www.mysecretvegas.com, a Vegas forum....
>
> Why can't you stick around and totally ignore the fools?
> Either filter them or ignore their posts.
> I skip any thread with crap in it.
> Saves both aggravation and time:-))
>
> Lou
Mike Ash
Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/11/2009 05:36 AM, Mike Ash wrote:
> > In article<hark0v$34m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/10/2009 06:05 PM, Mike Ash wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <ca5e52bc3c4bfdc9...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>,
> >>> Ron May<ron...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Everything you lot post about me is complete crap.
> >>>> You're just a bunch of scum pond life and asshole cowardly trolls.
> >>>>
> >>>> I never have charged more than $30 for a Pricelesware CD. Due to the
> >>>> recession I have reduced that to $24.95 and I believe that is a fair
> >>>> price for 700MB of freeware.
> >>>
> >>> [apologies to the other rap readers for this note; I promise not to
> >>> spend too much time on this guy]
> >>>
> >>> Are you aware that "free" does not necessarily imply "free to
> >>> redistribute", and that your distribution of this CD therefore almost
> >>> certainly constitutes copyright violation...
> >>
> >> For what it's worth, you're replying to a forgery. Pricelessware is
> >> just that, priceless, aka free. If you want it, free of charge, post
> >> where it's on topic and I'd be happy to send you the disks.
> >
> > Just because you're not charging for it doesn't make it legal. Unless
> > the software in question explicitly allows such redistribution, it's not
> > allowed, free or otherwise.
>
> OK, I apologize. I see I didn't answer you directly.
>
> We have explicit permission to redistribute the software contained on
> Pricelessware disks. That is, either the license allows for it or, the
> author has given it.
>
> If you're so inclined, you can prove this to yourself. The CD index is
> available here: <http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/CumulativePL-CD.php>.
How exactly does this list allow me to prove it to myself when there is
the possibility that the author gave you explicit permission outside of
the regular license? I don't see any "this is our special license" links
there. Not that you have to provide them to the outside world or
anything (such activities are completely between you and the authors,
after all) but I don't understand why you say this in the first place.
--
Mike Ash
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