Re: {UPDATE} Notepad++ v5.4.4
Bear Bottoms
news:8q5255lbieqb13g5b...@net.com:
> "Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
> supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
> its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
> component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
> API and STL"
> http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
> Download:
> http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
> v. 5.4.4. not yet added to the page at the time of writing.
> Direct download:
> http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.bin.zi
> p or
> http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.Instal
> ler.exe
>
> "Notepad++ v5.4.4 fixed bugs (from v5.4.3):
> 1. Upgrade Scintilla from 1.77 to 1.78.
> 2. Fix XML syntax highlighting bug while presence of the tag
> "<script/>".
> 3. Fix Find in files/Find in all open files bug in non western
> languages.
> 4. Fix the find in files crash issue if find what field contains 0x0A
> or 0xD.
> 5. Fix Window7 SetWindowsHookEx() failed issue for the dockable
> windows.
> 6. Fix no tool bar bug under w2k.
> 7. Fix Incremental search bug while clicking on text zone after some
> searches.
> 8. Make NpWiki++ link available as on line help.
> 9. Add lines count on status bar.
> 10. Fix "In selection" bug in Find Replace features.
> 11. Fix the clickable link issue for some links (add '~' in RegExp).
> 12 Fix the bug that Notepad++ does not show on while it is minimized
> and its file is modified from outside."
>
> An excellent editor.
> Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
> files the plugins folder.
>
> Yrrah
>
Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
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Iapetus
> Yrrah <Yrrah-hel...@mail-elsewhere.ca> wrote in
> news:8q5255lbieqb13g5b...@net.com:
>
>> "Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
>> supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
>> its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
>> component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
>> API and STL"
>> http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
>> Download:
>> http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
>> v. 5.4.4. not yet added to the page at the time of writing.
>> Direct download:
>> http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.bin.zi
>> p or
>> http://dfn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/notepad-plus/npp.5.4.4.Instal
>> ler.exe
>>
>>
> Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Speak for yourself.
Bjorn S.
>"Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement that
>supports several languages. Running in the MS Windows environment,
>its use is governed by GPL License. Based on a powerful editing
>component Scintilla, Notepad++ is written in C++ and uses pure Win32
>API and STL"
>http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
Thanks.
Ran across an autosave plugin for it, and AFAIK it is not listed
on the Notepad++ home site.
Franco Stellari's Notepad++ plugins
http://fstellari.googlepages.com/npp_plugins#
Found it via:
"AutoSave Adds Reassurance to Notepad++ Editing" (Mon Jun 29 2009)
http://lifehacker.com/5303634/autosave-adds-reassurance-to-notepad%252B%252B-editing
--
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Bjorn S.
- I post via <news.individual.net> and sometimes <news.broadpark.no>.
Bear Bottoms
LOL...talk about over the head.....whoosh--------
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
>> "Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement
[...]
>> An excellent editor.
>> Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
>> files the plugins folder.
>>
>> Yrrah
>>
> Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
<Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
instance, is another favorite of mine.
BeAr
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Bear Bottoms
in news:1axogg9l...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de:
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
>>> "Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement
> [...]
>>> An excellent editor.
>>> Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
>>> files the plugins folder.
>>>
>>> Yrrah
>>>
>> Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
>
> Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
> together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
> favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
> program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
> <Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
>
> I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
> the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
>
> And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
> instance, is another favorite of mine.
>
> BeAr
Yrrah basically contribute in two ways. A lot of minor update posts and
snide comments to other posters who he thinks exceed his double standard.
A major update post is fine, but to be in a freeware newsgroup and see
generally the only contributions from him to be updates and snide
comments is rather a sad drab scenario to represent what is supposed to
be a group to discuss, explore and find the best freeware. We know
Notepad++ is one of the greats.
I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one. Most
programs have the option to notify of updates and that one elects not to
use it, is their own choice. I could however accept such posts, but
coupled with such nasty representation from him is a bit much. This group
suffers from a lack of effort.
»Q«
Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:
> "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson" <br.ed...@expires-2009-07-31.arcornews.de>
> wrote in news:1axogg9l...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de:
>
> > On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
> >
> >>> "Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement
> > [...]
> >>> An excellent editor.
> >>> Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
> >>> files the plugins folder.
> >>
> >> Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
> >
> > Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
> > together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
> > favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
> > program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
> > <Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
> >
> > I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
> > the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
Could be worse -- sometimes he calls a perfectly good app "malware" for
the sake of extending his war against a.c.f.
> > And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
> > instance, is another favorite of mine.
>
> A major update post is fine, but to be in a freeware newsgroup and
> see generally the only contributions from him to be updates
Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want to
see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts from
him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
Max Wachtel
<br.ed...@expires-2009-07-31.arcornews.de> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
>>> "Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement
> [...]
>>> An excellent editor.
>>> Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
>>> files the plugins folder.
>>>
>>> Yrrah
>>>
>> Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
>
> Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
> together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
> favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
> program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
> <Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
>
> I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
> the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
>
> And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
> instance, is another favorite of mine.
>
> BeAr
I also appreciate update posts as I do not set my programs (except
AntiVir) to auto-update. You should just try to ignore BB.
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Bear Bottoms
news:h2rhuq$gqp$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:
>
>> Yrrah basically contribute in two ways. A lot of minor update posts
>> and snide comments to other posters who he thinks exceed his double
>> standard.
>
> Shut up, Mr Bottoms. Or shall we discuss your far too many
> contributions? Most of them are not even about freeware but bear
> witness to your belligerence, paranoia and delusions.
You do mean the PWH cult. Don't be afraid, I wasn't.
>
>> I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one.
>
> Mr Bottoms, I dread to think what a person with your mental condition
> is particularly fond of.
>
Snide comments from Dr. Snide which are significant with misdirection.
You are a child among men.
Bear Bottoms
news:op.uwmd7c2ikzp3b8@max:
> I also appreciate update posts as I do not set my programs (except
> AntiVir) to auto-update. You should just try to ignore BB.
Then you should seek out your own updates as by choice you choose not to be
notified, but yet want to be notified...how quaint.
Bear Bottoms
news:20090705195...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
> Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want to
> see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
> to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts from
> him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
>
>
Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well known
programs which have auto-update notification coupled with an equal number
of snide downright nasty comments to other posters trying to contribute
makes him your hero. Who lays in bed with who!
Bear Bottoms
news:b24068b3dbe2d8e3...@aracari.127.0.0.1:
> 'Bear Bottoms' wrote thus:
>
>>"Max Wachtel" <maxwa...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
>>news:op.uwmd7c2ikzp3b8@max:
>>
>>> I also appreciate update posts as I do not set my programs (except
>>> AntiVir) to auto-update. You should just try to ignore BB.
>>
>>Then you should seek out your own updates as by choice you choose not
>>to be notified, but yet want to be notified...how quaint.
>
> He's another half asleep dafty. If he installed PStart, he could
> enter the direct website address of ever program he uses in the
> config section and just check them out whenever he wanted.
>
> No need to wait for Yrrah to post [Updates] all the time...
>
There is nothing better than the program offering immediate update
notification when it is accomplished. If one does not trust the site for
an outcall, then he shouldn't have the program on his computer.
There are plenty of sites which list the most current version for a quick
check. Lazy comes to mind. Where does Yrrah get his update info from. Two
guesses and the second one doesn't count. What, he thinks everyone is
inept and needs his notificaitons? It's ridiculous.
Sul@Albasani
"Bjorn S." <bsus...@broadpark.no> wrote in message
news:7bclhfF...@mid.individual.net...
would Doc Updater be the same?
Document updater updates your opened documents in Notepad++ every 3 seconds.
http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
»Q«
Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:
> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= <box...@gmx.net> wrote in
> news:20090705195...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
>
> > Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't want
> > to see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who doesn't want
> > to see these particular freeware posts can easily filter out posts
> > from him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
>
> Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well known
> programs which have auto-update notification
[snip continuation of Bottoms' war against a.c.f]
Which part of the filtering instructions didn't you understand?
You keep whining that you don't want to see *any* of his posts; for
that, Xnews' simple plonker will work, and even a monkey could use it.
Ron
Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago argued
for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses to rail
against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a problem that
logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the dying of his
personal light; you contribute far more to the group with your knowledge
and information.
Ron
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
>> And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
>> instance, is another favorite of mine.
>>
>> BeAr
[...]
> I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one.
Minor updates usually address severe security issues or general
non-security related bugs. Therefore, they usually are even more
important than feature related ones. (It doesn't really matter,
if one gets a nice new feature one day earlier or not. And if an
important feature is missing from /any/ program, it is always a
good idea to check for new updates, personally.)
> Most programs have the option to notify of updates and that
> one elects not to use it, is their own choice.
Most programs /I/ use don't. They are solid tools and real gems,
nevertheless. And some programs, which /do/ notify on updates via
newsletter or update (like IrfanView or K-Meleon, for instance)
delay those notification a couple of days or even weeks, just to
reduce download peeks.
That said, although I have /notification/ if possible usually
switched /on/, automatic /updates/ are usually turned /off/.
I decide, myself, when to update. - On the basis of change-log
files, source code, or descriptions of changes on websites and
the like. If a version does well, updates can be postponed until
the new version shows to run stable. (Or until I have time for
personal tests or a deeper look into the new source.)
> nasty representation
We should agree on /one/ rule: *Never* to quarrel on the expense
of the freeware (and its authors), we are discussing.
Sam Jones
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
>>> "Notepad++ is a free source code editor and Notepad replacement [...]
>>> An excellent editor.
>>> Settings are written to the program folder: config.xml, plus .ini
>>> files the plugins folder.
>>>
>>> Yrrah
>>>
>> Update King. No one has ever heard of this program
>
> Since *you* voted for this program during last years PL election
> together with 20 others (including myself [Notepad++ has been my
> favorite text and source code editor for a couple of years]), the
> program has been *sole Pricelessware selection* in the category
> <Editor: Code> of last years Pricelessware List.
>
> I guess, you meant to jest. But at least /I/ don't think joking at
> the expense of great freeware programs to be funny...
>
> And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
> instance, is another favorite of mine.
>
> BeAr
>
I'm still a-looking for a notepad to start very quick, have hot links,
display character position and total character count.
Bear Bottoms
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:22:14 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
>>> And I /do/ appreciate the update notes Yrrah posts. K-Meleon, for
>>> instance, is another favorite of mine.
>>>
>>> BeAr
> [...]
>> I'm not particularly fond of update posts unless it is a major one.
>
> Minor updates usually address severe security issues or general
> non-security related bugs. Therefore, they usually are even more
> important than feature related ones. (It doesn't really matter,
> if one gets a nice new feature one day earlier or not. And if an
> important feature is missing from /any/ program, it is always a
> good idea to check for new updates, personally.)
I agree and yet some of these folks actually turn off update
notifications.
>
>> Most programs have the option to notify of updates and that
>> one elects not to use it, is their own choice.
>
> Most programs /I/ use don't. They are solid tools and real gems,
> nevertheless. And some programs, which /do/ notify on updates via
> newsletter or update (like IrfanView or K-Meleon, for instance)
> delay those notification a couple of days or even weeks, just to
> reduce download peeks.
However, the ones that Yrrah posts all do. Have you provided him a list
of the programs you have that do not update, so he can post updates for
you?
>
> That said, although I have /notification/ if possible usually
> switched /on/, automatic /updates/ are usually turned /off/.
> I decide, myself, when to update. - On the basis of change-log
> files, source code, or descriptions of changes on websites and
> the like. If a version does well, updates can be postponed until
> the new version shows to run stable. (Or until I have time for
> personal tests or a deeper look into the new source.)
>
I do the same.
>> nasty representation
>
> We should agree on /one/ rule: *Never* to quarrel on the expense
> of the freeware (and its authors), we are discussing.
>
Not a bad rule. Ask Yrrah to post his updates and nix the rest of the
nasty assault he regularly dishes out. I have and he ignores it.
Bear Bottoms
news:20090705222...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
Isn't this sweet...Q taking up for Yrrah, right or wrong. You /are/
having a comprehension problem. I can live with his silly program updates
of programs which have automatic update notification which others have
turned off so he can update them and maintain his job here in ACF,
however, the nasty snipes he continues to dish out will continue to be
addressed. I'll probably also continue to point out how silly his job in
ACF is.
Bear Bottoms
news:OcmdnVgTsIszHczX...@earthlink.com:
Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? FF is adware
through it's uncontrolled extensions. Beware of them.
Mark Marsh
> 'Sam Jones' wrote thus:
>
>> I'm still a-looking for a notepad to start very quick, have hot links,
>> display character position and total character count.
>
>
> - starts very quick
> - configurable to close by hitting<Esc> key
> - supports URL hyperlinks (Ctrl-K)
> - shows character position (status bar)
> - shows filesize in bytes (status bar), not char count (afaik).
> - much more...
>
> I have it set up to completely replace MS Notepad.
I'd agree with that, it has been my default notepad replacement for a
long time now and uses very little resources too so is ideal for low-end
systems as well.
David W
> 'Bear Bottoms' wrote thus:
>
>>Ron <rmoo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
>>news:OcmdnVgTsIszHczX...@earthlink.com:
>>> Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago
>>> argued for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses
>>> to rail against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a
>>> problem that logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the
>>> dying of his personal light; you contribute far more to the group with
>>> your knowledge and information.
>>>
>>> Ron
>
>
>>Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? [...]
>
> Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
> �Q�'s server:
>
> website reference here:
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
>
> direct download links here from �Q�'s server:
> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
>
> I'm hoping �Q� will provide evidence that each and every program
> on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
> from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
> give-away CD, let alone sold for $$$.
>
> I wonder if he'll do that?
Only if he is both a magician and a lying copyright denigrator. OK,
we'll see if he is a magician, the latter is a given.
A magician it will take as I am in contact with at least one author who
claims that the Pricelessware effort is not only without his
approval..or knowledge...it is a straightaway violation of his license.
*That* effort was one email. One and only one pulled at random from the
upmteen programs.
The Jew has taken this to heart, he will collect from my efforts with
John Ziolkowski (called The Polack :) ) and a few of Silversteinn's
Boyz.
Once the evidence has mounted to the Point Of No Return, it will be
handed over to the respected LEAs.
> A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
> website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
> involved in unlawful activity. Ignorance of the law is no defence.
How can their be ignorance when this investigation and the preempts that
led to it are in full and plain sight.
It's times like these that I love being killfiled, I have to admit :)
> Let's see. Over to you �Q�.
Might as well over to Z of R or John Fitzsimons.
--
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http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
»Q«
hummingbird <hummingbír...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> Subject: Does "Pricelessware" get author approval to include freeware
> on PL CDs??
Yes, in cases where it's not already explicitly granted.
> Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
> »Q«'s server:
>
> website reference here:
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
>
> direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
[snip]
Look, freeware downloads!
Please link to <http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> so people will see
this part:
Please don't use download managers that try to establish multiple
connections to this server. There is enough bandwidth for everyone,
but there are not extra connection slots. If you try to make more
than one connection at a time, you are likely to have them rejected.
Worse, you are likely to cause other users to have their connections
rejected also.
> I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
> on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
> from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
> give-away CD
No, you're not hoping that.
You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this time
around, but don't be surprised if he doesn't want to play this game
with you. In past years, permission was sought for apps with
licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but IIRC in
2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included. ICBW, and of
course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually interested.
> A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
> website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
> involved in unlawful activity.
No, it wouldn't. Add "smoking gun" to the ever-lengthening list of
English phrases you don't understand; you can't cite your lack of
evidence as a "smoking gun" without looking pretty silly. I don't
expect that will stop you from claiming you have a "smoking gun", but
don't expect it to be treated any differently than the other figments
of your imagination which you frequently post about.
> Ignorance of the law is no defence.
Which laws are you claiming to be ignorant of? To even make a case for
copyright infringement, you'd need to find a copyright holder who
withholds permission. If one exists, and s/he complains, you'll be
horrified to see it worked out amicably, and then you can go look for
another one. But since you haven't been able to find even one, all this
is hypothetical.
> Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
Back to you, hummingbird; it's up to you to back up your claims.
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
»Q«
Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:
> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= <box...@gmx.net> wrote in
> news:20090705222...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
>
> > In <news:Xns9C3FCFC1D6155b...@188.40.43.213>,
> > Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:
> >
> >> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= <box...@gmx.net> wrote in
> >> news:20090705195...@bellgrove.remarqs.net:
> >>
> >> > Life's too short to patrol a.c.f for freeware posts you don't
> >> > want to see so that you can try to netkop them. Anyone who
> >> > doesn't want to see these particular freeware posts can easily
> >> > filter out posts from him with "UPDATE" in the Subject.
> >>
> >> Ah but such a combination of endless minor updates about well
> >> known programs which have auto-update notification
> >
> > [snip continuation of Bottoms' war against a.c.f]
> >
> > Which part of the filtering instructions didn't you understand?
> >
> > You keep whining that you don't want to see *any* of his posts; for
> > that, Xnews' simple plonker will work, and even a monkey could use
> > it.
> I can live with his silly program updates of programs
> I'll probably also continue to point out how silly
There's a simple solution to the problem you've expressed, that you
find these freeware posts silly; you've been given the simple
solution, but you have decided to keep whining instead of use the
solution. Not surprising.
David W
> 'David W' wrote thus:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:31:09 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> 'Bear Bottoms' wrote thus:
>>>
>>>>Ron <rmoo...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
>>>>news:OcmdnVgTsIszHczX...@earthlink.com:
>>>>> Dear >>Q<<, remember the lad is the same Bear who not so long ago
>>>>> argued for many days about Firefox being "adware". The fact he chooses
>>>>> to rail against a poster in an unmoderated newsgroup suggests a
>>>>> problem that logic will not address. Leave him to rage against the
>>>>> dying of his personal light; you contribute far more to the group with
>>>>> your knowledge and information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>>Are you kidding me...too funny. What does Q contribute? [...]
>
> ______________________________________________________
>>> Since the PL2008 CDs 1 & 2 are primarily downloadable from
>>> �Q�'s server:
>>>
>>> website reference here:
>>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
>>>
>>> direct download links here from �Q�'s server:
>>> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
>>> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
>>>
>>> I'm hoping �Q� will provide evidence that each and every program
>>> on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
>>> from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
>>> give-away CD, let alone sold for $$$.
>>>
>>> I wonder if he'll do that?
>
>>Only if he is both a magician and a lying copyright denigrator. OK,
>>we'll see if he is a magician, the latter is a given.
>>
>>A magician it will take as I am in contact with at least one author who
>>claims that the Pricelessware effort is not only without his
>>approval..or knowledge...it is a straightaway violation of his license.
>>
>>*That* effort was one email. One and only one pulled at random from the
>>upmteen programs.
>
> I also found a program in 2mins which is on their list and on the
> PL CD but where the program licence says:
>
> "for distribution on a commercial basis, (even in a Freeware
> distribution CD-ROM, or download service), you must obtain
> a written permission from [company name]"
I saw "Q"s response to you including the fact that vince will not allow
the release of all of the "approvals" for distribution from the 2008
list. Well, this is 2009 fellas and you will need to update that list,
if it even exists, that vince won't show us or, I assume, anyone else.
Gosh, isn't that genuine, you would think they would publish their
rights to distribute with glee, right there on the website for all to
see.
But that ain't happening either. So onward we march............
>>The Jew has taken this to heart, he will collect from my efforts with
>>John Ziolkowski (called The Polack :) ) and a few of Silversteinn's
>>Boyz.
>
> ...the heavies ;-)
>
>>Once the evidence has mounted to the Point Of No Return, it will be
>>handed over to the respected LEAs.
>
> PING! that'll be $25 please. ho ho.
>
>>> A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
>>> website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
>>> involved in unlawful activity. Ignorance of the law is no defence.
>>
>>How can their be ignorance when this investigation and the preempts that
>>led to it are in full and plain sight.
>
> Their's is game of bluff methinks...killfile it and it'll go away.
>
>>It's times like these that I love being killfiled, I have to admit :)
>>
>>> Let's see. Over to you �Q�.
>>
>>Might as well over to Z of R or John Fitzsimons.
>
> Paradoxically, some PWH folks are not slow to jump down the throat
> of anyone who occasionally offers a download of an old freeware
> program which was available free but now costs $10 to become a
> member of the site before downloading.
Or has gone payware but the freeware version has been archived.
Duh. You think the authors will be OK with that, each and everyone of
them?
David W
> [getbymid] '�Q�' wrote thus:
>
>>In <news:2284442d48263c3f...@aracari.127.0.0.1>,
>>hummingbird <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> Subject: Does "Pricelessware" get author approval to include freeware
>>> on PL CDs??
>>
>>Yes, in cases where it's not already explicitly granted.
>
> Then, since YOU Q are providing the downloads, you will have seen
> all the necessary approvals, and for your own legal security, have
> copies of them. Right? That IS what people do in these matters.
> It's called "covering yer backside".
Yes, each IP address should be logged. As a freeware author, I would
want access to this information regardless of whether I use it or allow
for the free distribution of my work.
> I mean, Q surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
> law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
> Right?
C'mon, Hum. PWHers trust each other :)
> So, why don't you publish the approvals for all to see?
This is simple to do. The answer is also simple; they don't have them or
they would.
> Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF. Right?
>
> That IS what you, Bugher, Ron May, Craig et al have been saying
> for years. Right?
>
> So the OWNERS of Pricelessware have a right to see what they own.
> Right?
That ACF = Pricelessware thing really comes back to bite their asses at
this point.
> And are you taking a legal risk on behalf of everybody who
> participates in the PL nomination, selection, voting process?
Without question and probably without having the brains to know that is
exactly what they have done and are doing. Then we have the lemmings
like The Hip, vince, Franklin and others who haven't the brains or the
foresight to think about their own exposures.
> And what about the other people who d/l the two PL CDs and believe
> they are innocently burning them in good faith that YOU have all
> the necessary approvals for distribution?
Caveat Downloader? :)
> That would be a really low down thing to do. Right?
> I mean, putting willing helpers at legal risk is bad. Right?
>
> Do you understand that?
Q, Craig et al understand it now if they didn't before, no more "duh"
excuses for them.
David W
>>Look,
>
> [snip of what I already read on �Q�'s website]
>
>>> I'm hoping �Q� will provide evidence that each and every program
>>> on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
>>> from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
>>> give-away CD
>>
>>No, you're not hoping that.
>
> I am. See above.
>
>>You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this time
>>around,
>
> Who is Vince? never heard of him and he is irrelevant on this.
>
> Why say "whom I believe did most of the checking this time"?
>
> Are you not 100% sure?
"Q" isn't 100% sure of anything, Hum, much less this. Well, I suppose
he's 100% sure he's getting his butt reamed at the moment :)
> I repeat: the two PL CD.ISO's are available for primary download
> from YOUR server. Right? Here's the links once again:
> _____________________________________________________
> website reference here:
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
>
> direct download links here from �Q�'s server:
> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
> _____________________________________________________
>
>>but don't be surprised if he doesn't want to play this game
>>with you.
>
> Unlawful activity is NOT a game �Q�, even though YOU may wish
> to see it as one, probably to trivialise what may be going on.
To trivialize, divert and disinform.
>>In past years, permission was sought for apps with
>>licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but IIRC in
>>2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included. ICBW, and of
>>course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually interested.
>
> That is not true. I suggest you read my post earlier to David W,
> in which I came across one program on the PL CD which is
> specifically excluded from distribution without explicit written
> permission from the authors.
> That took me 2mins when I was looking for something else.
There are several, he knows it, "vince" lied :)
> I also saw a bunch of other programs which contain this statement:
>
> "Be aware that selling this utility as a part of a software
> package is not allowed!"
Ah, missed that one, off to JayZee with it!
> I am amazed that YOU don't have the factual situation at your
> fingertips, since - guess what - the two PL CDs are available for
> primary download from YOUR server. Right?
>
> That makes YOU legally responsible.
To JayZee: Drop off a phone call to "Q"s ISP and to his server (if
public) and make sure they understand the consequences of supporting
illegally obtained and distributed software.
>>Back to you, hummingbird; it's up to you to back up your claims.
>
> I have, above and elsewhere.
>
> What YOU need to do is make available all the explicit approvals
> which are required, to the owners of Priclessware ie: ACF posters
> - so they can be absolutely satisfied that they are not being
> involved in any sort of unlawful activities.
>
> That is because the two PL CDs are available for primary download
> from YOUR server. Right? The links are shown above.
REM should supply an audit of all monies he has taken in and disbursed
and the backing documentation.
We should also kow what is the legal entity here? LLC? Inc? Sole
proprietorship, how is it classified a non-profit?
*Or is it?*
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> I also found a program in 2mins which is on their list and on the
> PL CD but where the program licence says:
>
> "for distribution on a commercial basis, (even in a Freeware
> distribution CD-ROM, or download service), you must obtain
> a written permission from [company name]"
If I'm not mistaken, that will be XXCopy. Kan Yabumoto always gave
*explicit* permission for Pricelessware CD's. (Else, XXCopy would
/not/ have been included on the CD's. - The license checking has
been strict from the beginning.)
Here's an excerpt from Kan's mail to vince for the PL2008 CD:
| "As to the written permission for OKing the CD production with a
| copy of XXCOPY in it, yes, we would like to grant a permission
| for the Pricelessware CD. Please let this Email to be our
| official written permission for the inclusion of XXCOPY freeware
| by people who are associated with the alt.comp.freeware group.
| Kan Yabumoto"
http://groups.google.de/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/f9c95ce9499361f0
Btw., Kan was an occasional contributor to acf and (AFAICT) a strong
supporter of the Pricelessware concept. I miss his input on the usage
of XXCopy, as well as other technical matters...
;-------------------
And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
of stupid accusations?! Without being the slightest bit funny, those
posts contribute a whole lot to acf currently appearing like dirty,
crime-infested side roads. A place to stay away from, if keeping
alive and healthy is of some importance to oneself...
Every time, when I hear the song "Lasse Redn" from the German punk
and rock band Die �rzte these days, I'm strongly reminded of acf.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRPhV_VDzvI
But wading through the flood of <censored> day after day, makes it
sometimes very difficult to just think: "Lasse redn"... :-(
»Q«
hummingbird <hummingbír...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> I mean, surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
> law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
> Right?
Risk breaking the law?
> Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF. Right?
Sorta, but not in the sense you seem to think it does. For example,
an a.c.f-er volunteering to do some Pricelessware stuff isn't signing
up to take orders from every kook who subscribes to the newsgroup.
> That IS what you, Bugher, Ron May, Craig et al have been saying
> for years. Right?
No, I've never said "Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF", with or without
the shouting.
> So the OWNERS of Pricelessware have a right to see what they own.
> Right?
You know where to see the Pricelessware List, hummingbird. For most
other stuff you claim to want to see, you'll need to search the
archives of the group.
> >> I'm hoping »Q« will provide evidence that each and every program
> >> on the two CDs has received written approval, where necessary,
> >> from the program author(s) for them to be included on a freeware
> >> give-away CD
> >
> >No, you're not hoping that.
>
> I am. See above.
No, you're not.
> >You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this
> >time around,
>
> Who is Vince? never heard of him and he is irrelevant on this.
I didn't realize you'd done absolutely nothing to bring yourself up to
speed about the CDs before launching your FUD about them. Google the
threads about licensing; given the speed at which you absorb
information, you should be back in a few months to let everyone know
what you found out.
> Why say "whom I believe did most of the checking this time"?
Because I believe he did most of the checking this time.
> I repeat: the two PL CD.ISO's are available for primary download
> from YOUR server. Right? Here's the links once again:
> _____________________________________________________
> website reference here:
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
>
> direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
[snip malicious reposting of the direct download links]
I repeat: Please link to <http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> so people
will see this part:
Please don't use download managers that try to establish multiple
connections to this server. There is enough bandwidth for everyone,
but there are not extra connection slots. If you try to make more
than one connection at a time, you are likely to have them rejected.
Worse, you are likely to cause other users to have their connections
rejected also.
> >but don't be surprised if he doesn't want to play this game
> >with you.
>
> Unlawful activity is NOT a game »Q«,
But in the absense of unlawful activity, you are playing a game of
making vague, unsubstantiated allegations about alleged unlawful
activity;
> even though YOU may wish to see it as one, probably to trivialise
> what may be going on.
Whew, what a relief to find that not even you think that unlawful
activity is going on.
> And I have no idea who Vince is.
I didn't realize you'd done absolutely nothing to bring yourself up to
speed about the CDs before launching your FUD about them. Google the
threads about licensing; given the speed at which you absorb
information, you should be back in a few months to let everyone know
what you found out.
> My questions were aimed directly at YOU, because the two PL CDs
> are available for primary download from YOUR server. Right?
> I just posted the links above. Check and see them.
Please stop posting the direct links to the ISOs. Rather link to
<http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/>. If it's important to your FUD,
I'll stipulate that the ISOs are indeed downloadable from remarqs.net.
> >In past years, permission was sought for apps with
> >licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but
> >IIRC in 2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included.
> >ICBW, and of course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually
> >interested.
>
> That is not true.
We're at an impasse, since it is true.
> I suggest you read my post earlier to David W,
> in which I came across one program on the PL CD which is
> specifically excluded from distribution without explicit written
> permission from the authors.
I read it, but you didn't give any information about it, here or
there.
> That took me 2mins when I was looking for something else.
Ah, just casual FUD then.
> I also saw a bunch of other programs which contain this statement:
>
> "Be aware that selling this utility as a part of a software
> package is not allowed!"
You shouldn't be selling Pricelessware CDs, hummingbird; there's a
recent thread about that, starting with a post by a troll calling
itself "ebony". You posted dozens and dozens of times in that thread,
so you shouldn't claim ignorance of the fact that you shouldn't sell
Pricelessware CDs.
> I am amazed that YOU don't have the factual situation at your
> fingertips, since - guess what - the two PL CDs are available for
> primary download from YOUR server.
You're very easily amazed.
> Right?
No, there are six of them, not two. You've got a lot of digging in the
archives to do to find out about permissions from copyright holders.
> That makes YOU legally responsible. Vince is a diversion.
> >> A failure to do so would be the 'smoking gun' that Pricelessware
> >> website owners, PL contributors and distributors of the CDs are
> >> involved in unlawful activity.
> >
> >No, it wouldn't. Add "smoking gun" to the ever-lengthening list of
> >English phrases you don't understand; you can't cite your lack of
> >evidence as a "smoking gun" without looking pretty silly.
>
> Sorry, you're wrong.
I'm not wrong, so there's no need for you to offer your apology for it.
> Unlawful activity is unlawful, however much you may wish to see it.
We agree that unlawful activity is unlawful.
> >> Let's see. Over to you »Q«.
> >
> >Back to you, hummingbird; it's up to you to back up your claims.
>
> I have, above and elsewhere.
I meant your claims that there was unlawful activity going on; now that
you've dropped that claim and are only willing to say it *may* be going
on, you don't have the burden of backing up your malicious speculations,
but you leave yourself open to having people point out that you're
just spreading FUD.
> What YOU need to do is make available all the explicit approvals
> which are required, to the owners of Priclessware ie: ACF posters
> - so they can be absolutely satisfied that they are not being
> involved in any sort of unlawful activities.
I take it your aim is to post enough FUD to convince some people not to
distribute the freeware? Anyone with a legitimate concern about
licensing should check the archives of the group.
> That is because the two PL CDs are available for primary download
> from YOUR server. Right? The links are shown above.
Primary download, I dunno. Usually the ISOs are also made available
from pricelesswarehome.org after the initial bandwidth demand slacks
off. AFAICT, no one's gotten around to doing that for the 2008 CDs.
Maybe someone should, since you're poised on the brink of having people
imprisoned for whatever "may be going on". ;)
»Q«
hummingbird <hummingbír...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> There are two major issues:
>
> - whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
> the PL CDs where required.
AFAIK, PWH didn't have anything to do with it; a.c.f posters got
permissions over the years.
> It is astonishing that these are not
> already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you. If you
want to know about the permissions, go read the threads. My guess is
that you'll just keep posting FUD and keep claiming that it's somebody
else's responsibility to disprove you.
> - whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
> for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
> to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
> abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made available
to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might sell CDs, then
you're simply a kook. But given your other intentional FUD, it seems
unlikely even you believe that.
David W
> You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
> malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you.
Not at all, we intend to do all that we need.
Thanks for the offer though, "Q".
David W
> And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
> of stupid accusations?! Without being the slightest bit funny, those
> posts contribute a whole lot to acf currently appearing like dirty,
> crime-infested side roads. A place to stay away from, if keeping
> alive and healthy is of some importance to oneself...
Shoot the messenger if you don't like the message? Fuck off. All you and
your cronies have to do is openly comply.
Petersen, Vegard Krog
I could however accept such posts, but
Nobody cares what you could accept or not.
--
Vegard Krog Petersen - Norway
http://vegard2.no -
Solitaire MahJongg guide, Sarah Michelle Gellar Solitaire,
Freeware Logo & symbol, Halma & Chinese Checkers,
Pachisi & Ludo, Freeware Solitaire, My fishy site (fishing
games), a.c.f.g information, Fredrikshald Havfiskeklubb
---------------------------------------------------------
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> 'B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson' wrote thus:
>>And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
>>of stupid accusations?!
>
> What are they BeAr?
[...]
> There are two major issues:
Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
trolling. :-(
> - whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
> the PL CDs where required. It is astonishing that these are not
> already available to �Q� for publication ...and...
Not PWH, but a whole lot of acf contributors create a list of
software eligible to be put on CD. Even programs, that were eligible
the years before, are checked again. Even the posted results are
re-checked by others, to make certain, that no aspect from some
more obscure sub-paragraph is missed.
Then acf posters who take part in this license checking project,
announce, which freeware authors (who require permission for CD
creation) they are contacting, to avoid flooding these authors
with mail. When they get an answer, it is posted to acf (in either
case: permission or rejection). Since a couple of freeware authors
read acf (though not many post here, anymore) you can be sure, that
they'd cry out loud, if permissions would be faked. (To also answer
this completely far-fetched conspiracy theory...)
There is at least one freeware author, who gives *only* the
Pricelessware project permission, to include his program on
CD's. (No newspaper, no other project ever got this permission.)
Even the need to include the source (or keep it ready for download)
has been officially checked with the Free Software Foundation.
Strict license checking has also been done for export restrictions.
If world-wide distribution is not permitted, programs are /not/
included on the CD images.
> - whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
> for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
> to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
> abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
Selling burned CD images in an unmodified way would be a silly
business plan, since customers would read right away in the root
of the CD, that they should (and could) have got this CD for free.
If some people went through the effort of modifying the images
to be able to sell the CDs (wild, unfounded speculation), *they*
would infringe not only the distribution eligibility of some of
the freeware programs included, but also the copyright of those
acf participants, that created the CDs for *free distribution*.
;-----------------
Just a personal addition: Jumping on the train of plain troll posts
done by David W (he posts semi-reasonable to completely irrational
statements and heated attacks in entirely random succession, just
to provoke *any* kind of reaction), makes you look absolutely silly.
This would even be the case, if David W was a sock-puppet of yours.
The posting name Hummingbird fetched a lot of disgrace, lately.
Remarkable has been the increase of the level of allegations, your
posts showed during the last weeks: From supposedly joking level
with smileys to some kind of "factual" mention of illegal activity.
In a couple of days, we'll see "they never were able to explain",
regardless any probable number of facts shown to you???
Are you explicitly seeking for endless arguments, utilizing /any/
topic that might pop up??? I'm *really* not amused... :-(
ebony
> 'B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson' wrote thus:
>>And just another point: Could you /please/ stop this nonsense flood
>>of stupid accusations?!
>
> What are they BeAr?
>
>>Without being the slightest bit funny, those
>>posts contribute a whole lot to acf currently appearing like dirty,
>>crime-infested side roads.
>
> I have to tell you that it might be true BeAr.....
> IMO the Pricelessware project may have started out with altruistic
> intentions, but was hijacked by a bunch of zealots, some of whom
> saw $$$ in it, and have fought tooth and nail to dominate ACF
> for fear of losing their golden egg. That is where we are today.
>
> I'm afraid the evidence is compelling.
>
> That's what these debates are about. No good brushing it under
> the carpet, because innocent people do not wish to be associated
> with unlawful activity. It is for the Pricelessware people to act
> transparently at all times. That is NOT happening. As usual, only
> bluster and diversions are forthcoming from the usual suspects.
> Others try to divert attention by laughing it off.
>
> Anybody aiding and abetting unlawful activity is also guilty.
> Ignorance of the law is no defence.
>
>>A place to stay away from, if keeping
>>alive and healthy is of some importance to oneself...
>
> If you are not involved in unlawful activity it might be a good
> idea until the whole matter is sorted out.
>
> There are two major issues:
>
> - whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
> the PL CDs where required. It is astonishing that these are not
> already available to »Q« for publication ...and...
> - whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
> for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
> to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
> abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
>
>>Every time, when I hear the song "Lasse Redn" from the German punk
>>and rock band Die Ärzte these days, I'm strongly reminded of acf.
>>
>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRPhV_VDzvI
>>
>>But wading through the flood of <censored> day after day, makes it
>>sometimes very difficult to just think: "Lasse redn"... :-(
>
> One solution is NOT to make PL ISOs available for download at all.
> The website already contains all the links necessary for d/l any
> program from an authorised site together with its licence.
>
It is not profit. I will sell CDs for the cost of the handling charge plus
shipping. $125 scarce covers costs. Do not make a misconversion of price at
the official exchange rate for it is true goods cost relatively different
here.
I am obliged beyond my control to use a statement to support premier
pricing. This is ok? "Softs chosen by open voting. Selected by a famous
committee from all countries of the world evered reached by the Internet
communications. Based on international cooperation to ensure the finest
softs in the world are picked for this collection. 24 hour daily technical
support provided by the technical specialists who voted. Satisfaction
guaranteed. Accept no substitute."
Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
commission. It is not profit. I will sell CDs for the cost of the handling
charge plus shipping. $125 scarce covers costs. Do not make a misconversion
of price at the official exchange rate for goods cost relatively different
here.
I am obliged beyond my control to use a statement to support premier
pricing. This is ok? "Softs chosen by open voting. Selected by a famous
committee from all countries of the world ever reached by the Internet
communications. Based on international cooperation to ensure the finest
softs in the world are picked for this collection. 24 hour daily technical
support provided by the technical specialists who voted. Satisfaction
guaranteed."
Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
commission.
--
Reply online. Mail suspended during extended strike.
Ron
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:40:42 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>
> Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
> commission.
>
ebony, please don't post here any more. Don't ask questions, don't make
statements. I can't believe anyone here finds your participation welcome
or meaningful. I don't wish you ill, just leave quietly.
Go away. Please. EOT for me.
Ron
John Corliss
>
> (snip)
Content copy 1:
> I am obliged beyond my control to use a statement to support premier
> pricing. This is ok? "Softs chosen by open voting. Selected by a famous
> committee from all countries of the world evered reached by the Internet
> communications. Based on international cooperation to ensure the finest
> softs in the world are picked for this collection. 24 hour daily technical
> support provided by the technical specialists who voted. Satisfaction
> guaranteed. Accept no substitute."
>
> Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
> commission. It is not profit. I will sell CDs for the cost of the handling
> charge plus shipping. $125 scarce covers costs.
Of course, the obviously ludicrous nature of that claim needs no further
discussion.
> Do not make a misconversion
> of price at the official exchange rate for goods cost relatively different
> here.
Content copy 2"
> I am obliged beyond my control to use a statement to support premier
> pricing. This is ok? "Softs chosen by open voting. Selected by a famous
> committee from all countries of the world ever reached by the Internet
> communications. Based on international cooperation to ensure the finest
> softs in the world are picked for this collection. 24 hour daily technical
> support provided by the technical specialists who voted. Satisfaction
> guaranteed."
>
> Personal endorsements much welcomed in return for a small consideration or
> commission.
You pretend to be computer illiterate enough to "accidentally" duplicate
your content, yet from your headers I see that you are adept enough to
know how to use 40tude Dialog and an anonymous remailer (Mixmin).
You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
--
John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all Google Groups posts
because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet,
nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
2008 Pricelessware list: http://www.geocities.com/rtd3ws/08PWlist.html
Ron May
<br.ed...@expires-2009-07-31.arcornews.de> wrote:
> Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
> close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
> you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
> if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
> trolling. :-(
BeAr, you and �Q� and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
it makes it inconvenient for those of us who have killfiled their
bullshit to enjoy this newsgroup the way it ought to be enjoyed.
Please don't feed the trolls. The EULA checking threads are a matter
of record for anyone even remotely interested in the issue.
If you look at the bulk of the postings from BB, HB and the various
sock puppets and trolls, the charges they fling around remind me of
monkeys in the zoo tossing handfulls of fecal matter in any direction
just to get a reaction from the crowd. It serves no purpose other
than the monkey's own entertainment. It has no logic or validity.
It's a complete waste of time and energy to attempt rational
discussion with them, because that's clearly not what they're seeking.
Do yourself and the rest of us a favor.
* Killfile those whose only goal is disruption.
* If you can't/won't do that, please don't feed the trolls out of
consideration for those of us who do have them killfiled.
* If you feel you HAVE TO respond, please consider NOT QUOTING what
they say. By quoting, you're helping them achieve theur objective of
avoiding kill filters. A simple <absurd rant snipped> or similar will
suffice. Also (and this is a new request I intend to try and spread)
consider modifying the subject line to [TROLL RESPONSE] to alert
others that nothing of real substance is contained in the post.
When you respond, you're being USED by the trolls for their purposes.
Don't allow yourself to be played for a fool.
--
Ron M.
Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
Ron May
wrote:
> You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
Gee, John, ya think? <g>
That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
POKO
may...@hotmail.com says...
> BeAr, you and »Q« and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
> it makes it inconvenient for those of us who have killfiled their
> bullshit to enjoy this newsgroup the way it ought to be enjoyed.
> Please don't feed the trolls. The EULA checking threads are a matter
> of record for anyone even remotely interested in the issue.
> If you look at the bulk of the postings from BB, HB and the various
> sock puppets and trolls, the charges they fling around remind me of
> monkeys in the zoo tossing handfulls of fecal matter in any direction
> just to get a reaction from the crowd. It serves no purpose other
> than the monkey's own entertainment. It has no logic or validity.
> It's a complete waste of time and energy to attempt rational
> discussion with them, because that's clearly not what they're seeking.
> Do yourself and the rest of us a favor.
> * Killfile those whose only goal is disruption.
> * If you can't/won't do that, please don't feed the trolls out of
> consideration for those of us who do have them killfiled.
> * If you feel you HAVE TO respond, please consider NOT QUOTING what
> they say. By quoting, you're helping them achieve theur objective of
> avoiding kill filters. A simple <absurd rant snipped> or similar will
> suffice. Also (and this is a new request I intend to try and spread)
> consider modifying the subject line to [TROLL RESPONSE] to alert
> others that nothing of real substance is contained in the post.
> When you respond, you're being USED by the trolls for their purposes.
> Don't allow yourself to be played for a fool.
>
>
>
those in our Bozo Bin. Life would be a lot easier if folks did this,
--
Best - POKO
Sidney Lambe
> 'Ron <rmoo...@ix.netcom.com>' wrote thus:
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.213.245.181
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Ron, I'm still waiting for your comments as to why your
> IP Addresses keep getting caught in my SPAM filters.
>
> FYI:
> IP Addresses end up in my SPAM filters if they have been caught
> posting SPAM on the small number of groups I post or lurk on.
>
> This is now the FIFTH time I've asked you, silence rains...
>
> Why won't you respond???
> Are you a casual SPAMMER???
>
Trying to start a fight?
--
S. Dave Lambe
49.1367� N 122.8777�
David W
> '�Q�' wrote thus:
>
>>In <news:179f08d96b89ac2f...@aracari.127.0.0.1>,
>>hummingbird <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> There are two major issues:
>>>
>>> - whether PWH have received approval to include all software on
>>> the PL CDs where required.
>
>>AFAIK, PWH didn't have anything to do with it; a.c.f posters got
>>permissions over the years.
>
> My previous comments were addressed to BeAr, however...
> these are perfectly legitimate issues for me to be raising.
>
> You say: "AFAIK".
>
> I find it amazing that YOU are hosting the primary download of
> two PL2008 ISOs containing scores of programs and yet you claim to
> be unable to provide any evidence that permission has been granted
> by the program authors, where necessary, to do so.
>
> That is quite astonishing. Right?
>
> Not only does that leave YOU open to legal risk for indulging in
> unlawful activity, but also anybody who gets involved in the PL
> selection/voting process, and those who innocently d/l the ISOs,
> burn them and give them away. Let alone anybody who sells them,
> who may or may not post regularly to this newsgroup. Right?
This is a very useful effort, Hum, expect you will get the usual
messenger assassination combined with disinformation and diversion as
your answers.
Intelligent people, people without ulterior motives, would have
thoroughly investigated these issues ages ago. But as I have often said
and as is being proven out in spades before us, PWH and Pricelessware
cretins are dull tacks in old, used tack drawer.
> This is not a game, �Q�.
> Can you not see the scale of legal risk here?
> Can you not see the potential unwilling involvement of innocent
> people in unlawful activity, dumped upon them by the PWH
> 'inner circle' due to its ineptness or worse, unlawful behaviour?
I doubt he or any of the others care. Lemming sacrifices are necessary.
> Am I surprised that Craig, Ron May, Bugher, REM and other members
> of the PWH high command have remained silent during these debates?
> Not one jot. They've all run for the trees and left it to you.
> Does that make you the patsy? lol.
You can bet there is a scurry of off ACF activity abot on ACF business
as the Pricelessware criminals plot and plan their every moves.
> In case you've forgotten, here are the download links on YOUR
> server for the two PL2008 ISOs:
> _____________________________________________________
> direct download links here from �Q�'s server:
> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
> _____________________________________________________
>
> Doubtless, over a period of time, the number of ISO downloads will
> be far higher than can be explained by PWH global CD distributors
> (eg Nicolaas in Kiwiland). What does that suggest to you?
>
> You do not limit access for download only to those authorised for
> distribution. Right? Why not?
Marketing. Post download solicitations "How to make money with freeware"
- support for $$$, who knows better the freeware than the Pricelessware
criminals? Right here on ACF they have known and unknown lemming testers
at their bid and beck.
> Do you know how many downloads are by people who intend to burn
> and sell the CDs? You will recall many months back that a poster
> on ACF made it very clear that he sells Pricelessware CDs. Right?
>
> Pricelessware needs a lawyer! He will explain exactly what actions
> are required by you to keep yourself within the law. You will find
> it is what I have been telling you. Trust me.
A lawyer? Who is he going to represent? he has no client, no entity.
Pricelessware is a non entity, a name of a scam not a legal, definable,
auditable group. This would be like defending the Mafia.
>>> It is astonishing that these are not
>>> already available to �Q� for publication ...and...
>>
>>You seem to be under the misapprehension that if you post enough
>>malicious speculation, people will go do your research for you. If you
>>want to know about the permissions, go read the threads. My guess is
>>that you'll just keep posting FUD and keep claiming that it's somebody
>>else's responsibility to disprove you.
>
> Good try at diversion and obfuscation, �Q�, but it won't help.
> I am not involved in this potential unlawful activity, and these
> exchanges are evidence of that. I'm just trying to ensure that I
> am not being unknowingly drawn into it by association with PWH
> people who choose to ignore the law.
>
> If YOU choose to be the primary download source of the two PL
> ISOs, lawfully, it is for you to provide evidence that anybody
> who d/l them is not breaking any laws. Right?
The number of federal, state and international laws that are being
violated is incalculable. "Q", at the very minimum, at the least of the
possible violations, is in possession of stolen goods, is transporting
them across every known physical boundary, he is a global criminal of
the first magnitude.
> The permissions will have been issued in private e-mails or on
> paper. Right? Newsgroup posts by Vince or some other person going
> back N years (and buried google) claiming that "permission was
> received" or whatever are not adequate to provide the confirmation
> that the actual permissions exist, eg: the poster may have been
> mistaken or confused, may have lied for expediency or may even
> be involved in a $racket. Right?
>
> You can see that. Right?
"Q" can see it as clear as a summer day. It should be fun to watch him
dodge, weave and Franklin out of this one.
David W
> the actual permissions themselves. Right?
>
> Since licences change quite frequently, such permissions should be
> sought afresh each year before the PL ISOs are offered. Right?
>
> As I said previously, it beggars belief that you haven't already
> got all the necessary permissions in your possession. It's called
> "covering yer backside", aka basic common sense, as practiced
> by those who wish to stay within the law. Right?
They sent BeAr in to try and talk you ought of this blame letting hoping
to keep the Noise Of Truth down to me (and the upcoming surge of Ari's
Boyz).
That's not happening, what will Diversions #2 -10 be?
> Whether you have them or not, it is nevertheless your duty to make
> them available to people on ACF or anybody who ask for them. After
> all, PWH is owned/held in trust for ACF. Right? That is what has
> been told to ACF posters for N years to explain why PWH uses ACF
> as its office space for conducting its business affairs on. Right?
A simple blog with copies opf the postings would be easily constructed
to assure both Licensor and Licensee that all is well.
Here is a key point.
ONCE YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE STOLEN GOODS INTO YOUR HANDS OR COMPUTER, YOU
ARE AN ACCESORY, IN POSSESSION OD STOLEN GOODS AND SUBJECT TO THE MOST
SERIOUS ARREST, PROSECUTION AND INCARCERATION.
It's too late then. I fully suspect that the Pricelessware criminals are
aware of this.
> I am a legitimate poster to ACF and therefore I have a right to be
> reassured by PWH people that I am not being unknowingly involved
> in unlawful activity. Right? Same goes for everybody else. Right?
>
> Anybody who participates in the PL selection/voting process has an
> even greater urgency for this reassurance, since they are heavily
> implicated. Right?
>
> otoh...
> If PWH is NOT owned & held in trust for ACF, then what it does
> is less important to me, since I cannot be implicated. But in this
> case, PWH must be a privately owned website and therefore has
> no right to use ACF for conducting business on, and implicating
> innocent people in potentially unlawful activity. Right?
In short, take your fucking scams and go elsewhere.
>>> - whether some people are actually involved in selling the CDs
>>> for profit. This may easily include people who do not even post
>>> to ACF, and are unknown, but PWH is nevertheless aiding and
>>> abetting unlawful activity if they d/l the ISOs, burn and sell.
>>
>>If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
>
> LOL. I don't "find" anybody downloading them. I'm a long way
> from your server and my tentacles don't cover the planet. Right?
>
> A person only needs to download the PL2008 ISOs *once* and that
> can be done in 15 mins, depending on connection speed. Right?
>
> The onus for ensuring lawful compliance is upon YOU since you
> make them available for download on your server. Right?
"Stop", since when do criminals in exiting robberies "stop" when told to
do so by bystanders?
*ROTFLMAO* how lame that is for "Q" buth, hey, it's the best he's got.
> Here's your download links again:
> _____________________________________________________
> direct download links here from �Q�'s server:
> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
> http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso
> _____________________________________________________
>
>>If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made available
>>to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might sell CDs, then
>>you're simply a kook. But given your other intentional FUD, it seems
>>unlikely even you believe that.
>
> By making ISOs available for download from your server to people
> who intend to burn/sell them, you are (perhaps unknowingly) aiding
> and abetting unlawful activity.
He knows it now.
> THAT you have been warned about that risk and choose to ignore it,
> makes you an accessory, if/when someone is caught doing so, as I'm
> sure they will be. Ignorance of the law will be no defence.
The jails are full of the ignorant :)
> What will be interesting to unearth is whether the whole PWH
> thing is now in fact a $racket. Given that the PL process is the
> annual climax of PWH, it may look like that to many people.
>
> But currently, the focus is on YOU making available all the
> necessary permissions to include scores of programs on the ISOs
> in the first place. Right? You seem to be making a lot of effort
> to obfuscate that requirement by copious sophistry...
>
> My guess is that you are unable to provide them because either
> you don't have them or they don't exist. Right?
>
> -HTH-
Both.
It only takes one broken license to a criminal make.
David W
> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:47:11 -0700, John Corliss <q34w...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
>
> Gee, John, ya think? <g>
>
> That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
> poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
> the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
Care to debate the facts regarding the illegal Pricelessware activities
that you are also heading instead of engaging in sophistry,
misinformation, diversion and outright lies, Ron?
Bet not.
Here's your chance.
Bet you don't.
Fuck off then.
David W
> Just a personal addition: Jumping on the train of plain troll posts
> done by David W (he posts semi-reasonable to completely irrational
> statements and heated attacks in entirely random succession, just
> to provoke *any* kind of reaction), makes you look absolutely silly.
> This would even be the case, if David W was a sock-puppet of yours.
> The posting name Hummingbird fetched a lot of disgrace, lately.
Let's see if we have this right. I am Bear Bottoms and I am hummingbird
so Bear Bottoms is hummingbird and Ari Silversteinn.
Boggles the mind. Truly.
Signed,
Chris Milbank Bottomssteinn Camper Alden Amanda Lynn Ferret hummingbird
acacari.
David W
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:42:58 +0200, "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"
> <br.ed...@expires-2009-07-31.arcornews.de> wrote:
>
>> Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
>> close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
>> you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
>> if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
>> trolling. :-(
>
> BeAr, you and �Q� and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
> it makes it inconvenient
Oh, now it is inconvenient!! Let me tell you what "inconvenient" is Ron
May. It's when they arrest you, toss you in the klinker and you bend
down to pick up the toothpick which fell out of your mouth and get a
banana sized dick in your rear end.
*That is inconvenient*. Expect to be inconvenienced.
David W
> If you feel you HAVE TO respond, please consider NOT QUOTING what
> they say.
Translation: Don't propagate their discussions about our criminality.
Speak into the thin air.
David W
> Well put Ron. I agree with posters snipping so we don't see crap from
> those in our Bozo Bin. Life would be a lot easier if folks did this,
> --
>
> Best - POKO - One of Ron May's "Good Guy Lemmings" and proud of it
Congrats. lol
David W
Sidney, I have noticed that you and Bear Bottoms don't post at the same
time. You don't post at the same time as me.
Obviously, you are Bear Bottoms...since I am.
Bjorn S.
>"Bjorn S." <bsus...@broadpark.no> wrote in message
>news:7bclhfF...@mid.individual.net...
>> Ran across an autosave plugin for it, and AFAIK it is not listed
>> on the Notepad++ home site.
>>
>> Franco Stellari's Notepad++ plugins
>> http://fstellari.googlepages.com/npp_plugins#
>would Doc Updater be the same?
>Document updater updates your opened documents in Notepad++ every 3 seconds.
>http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/download.php
clicking the link for "Doc Updater" there takes me to
http://sourceforge.net/projects/npp-plugins/files/
where I found "Doc Updater" is part of "DocMonitor".
Looked at the source for any suggestive comments, but did not find
any, so my short answer is I don't know.
Longer answer: my guess is that "Doc Updater" will monitor all open
files for changes by another application or user and load the changed
(updated) version if so. Many editors do this them selves, but might
only check the current file, not all open, and might not scan as often
as every 3 seconds.... But this is only me guessing.
--
All the best,
Bjorn S.
- I post via <news.individual.net> and sometimes <news.broadpark.no>.
Ron
I would ever see it directly, of course.
Ron
ebony
Sir the softs I will sell (to cover handling charges) are very convenient.
For kindness sake do not use offensive remarks about bananas or batti boys.
The law is safe under our care.
Please consider it. I speak in peace.
»Q«
Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> please don't feed the trolls out of consideration for those of us who
> do have them killfiled.
Kill their threads and/or kill on the [HB] tag in the subject.
»Q«
hummingbird <hummingbír...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> '»Q«' wrote thus:
> That is quite astonishing. Right?
We've already covered your astonishment about all the things you've
just reposted. I've snipped most of your FUD about the international
criminal conspiracy you've dreamt up and consider plausible, since it
doesn't make much sense. But I've left some of it in, plus the stuff
about your tentacles.
> here are the download links on YOUR server for the two PL2008 ISOs:
> _____________________________________________________
> direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
I've asked you several times to link to the page
<http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> instead of to the ISOs themselves,
and I've told you why. Do you continue to link directly to the ISO
files simply out of spite or because you think it helps establish the
idea that there's an international criminal conspiracy?
> Doubtless, over a period of time, the number of ISO downloads will
> be far higher than can be explained by PWH global CD distributors
> (eg Nicolaas in Kiwiland). What does that suggest to you?
That people like freeware?
That there's an international criminal conspiracy?
It's got to be one of those two things.
> You do not limit access for download only to those authorised for
> distribution. Right? Why not?
Apache's mod_access handles that, with 'Allow from all'.
> Trust me.
Doesn't everybody trust you?
> If YOU choose to be the primary download source of the two PL
> ISOs, lawfully, it is for you to provide evidence that anybody
> who d/l them is not breaking any laws. Right?
Your legal advice and questions are as insightful as ever. Thanks for
trying to help Pricelessware out with them; never let it be said that
hummingbird isn't an active Pricelessware participant.
> I am a legitimate poster to ACF and therefore I have a right to be
> reassured by PWH people that I am not being unknowingly involved
> in unlawful activity. Right? Same goes for everybody else. Right?
Sorry, I can't offer you assurances that you're not involved in illegal
activity. I'm unaware of most of your activities; I didn't even know
you have tentacles until you pointed it out below.
> >If you find people selling PL CDs, you should tell them to stop.
>
> LOL. I don't "find" anybody downloading them.
Downloading them is fine -- if you find anyone *selling* them, you
should tell them to stop.
> I'm a long way from your server and my tentacles don't cover the
> planet. Right?
I don't know where you are and I'm not aware of the extent of your
tentacles. Before now, I didn't even realize you had tentacles, but
I'm not terribly surprised.
> A person only needs to download the PL2008 ISOs *once* and that
> can be done in 15 mins, depending on connection speed. Right?
Once should suffice, yeah. But if you need to download them more than
once, that's not a problem -- go ahead. You can also use bittorrent
for them, if you'd like to help other people get them as well.
> >If you *actually* think no freeware ISOs should ever be made
> >available to anyone because it's occurred to you that someone might
> >sell CDs, then you're simply a kook. But given your other
> >intentional FUD, it seems unlikely even you believe that.
>
> By making ISOs available for download from your server to people
> who intend to burn/sell them, you are (perhaps unknowingly) aiding
> and abetting unlawful activity.
Your legal advice and questions are as insightful as ever. Thanks for
trying to help Pricelessware out with them; never let it be said that
hummingbird isn't an active Pricelessware participant.
> You seem to be making a lot of effort to obfuscate that requirement
> by copious sophistry...
Thank goodness you're around to bring us back to contemplation of an
international criminal conspiracy. How does it work again?
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> It's not good enough for you or �Q� to claim "this or that poster
> got the necessary approval from the program author a few years
> ago and posted to that effect at the time, go and look in Google".
*All* programs have been checked *every* year. Permissions have been
requested (if necessary from license) *every* year. The permission
asked for was for making CD images available to /anybody/.
The permissions have been posted to acf. Since the checking always has
been done in a small time frame, looking up the necessary threads
is simple enough. *No* freeware author *ever* complained, that the
citation of a permission was wrong.
> Since �Q� is the primary download site for the two PL2008 ISOs,
> he is the person in the frame who needs to provide that evidence.
The evidence is published. Everybody can look it up through Usenet
archives like Google Groups. And a couple of Usenet servers still
carry this years articles.
Do you also stay away from entrance on parties (faking lack of interest),
while everybody enters and hands over a personal invitation? And - after
an hour or two - do you start complaining most people must be there,
uninvited?? And instead of checking the invitations at the entrance, do
you approach every guest, demanding a declaration of relationship to
the hosts? - Which you then declare unreliable, as long as the hosts
do not provide /another/ personal invitation, handed over to the guests
in your presence and with 3 witnesses (chosen by you) around?? Do you
really feel, it is *your* task to suspect "deceit", while the hosts
are looking at ease at the party and its guests???
> My gut feeling
Your "gut feeling" looks like nothing, but sheer lust of trolling. :-(
BeAr
--
===========================================================================
= What do you mean with: "Perfection is always an illusion"? =
===============================================================--(Oops!)===
Ron May
I'll grant that you've been using the [HB] tag on most recent posts
and I for one appreciate that. Still, I feel it's not unreasonable to
ask for some consideration. Even if there were an [HB] tag in this
subject line, and there's not, I still see the rest of the subject
line. I wouldn't even KNOW this thread ever existed if no one had
replied, and that's what makes for a better ACF experience IMV.
There's no reason to engage the trolls because they're not the least
bit interested in the merits of an argument, whether it's yours or
theirs. Their goal is disruption and when you respond, (ESPECIALLY
when you quote) it helps them achieve their goal.
You might want to ask yourself what it is YOU hope to achieve in
replying to the nonsense, and whether you're actually moving in that
direction. If not, ISTM it makes little sense to continue.
»Q«
hummingbird <hummingbír...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> '»Q«' wrote thus:
>
> [alt.comp.freeware re-inserted]
>
> I see you're back to your dirty tricks of adding follow-ups
> to other newsgroups, »Q«.
You've changed position 180 degrees from "a.c.p is the only place to
discuss Pricelessware" to "it's a dirty trick to move Pricelessware
discussion to a.c.p".
> >In <news:1cd9350a1697dbe6...@aracari.127.0.0.1>,
> >hummingbird <hummingbír...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >
> >> I mean, surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
> >> law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
> >> Right?
> >
> >Risk breaking the law?
>
> Correct. That is what I wrote.
Risk breaking the law?
> >> Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF. Right?
> >
> >Sorta, but not in the sense you seem to think it does. For example,
> >an a.c.f-er volunteering to do some Pricelessware stuff isn't signing
> >up to take orders from every kook who subscribes to the newsgroup.
>
> You are trying to refine what numerous other people, directly
> associated with Pricelessware, have said for N years.
You asked me about it, so I answered. If you want to ask numerous
other people, ask them.
> IIUC, you are now saying that Pricelessware is owned by ACF
> ONLY to the extent that is sufficient for PWH to justify
> conducting its business affairs on ACF floorspace.
You have very strange misunderstandings of Pricelessware in general, and
repeated efforts by many haven't helped you clear it up. I'm not
interested in trying to help you with it again.
> That makes a complete mockery of the whole thing. Right?
Sure, you make a complete mockery of a lot of things.
> That may call for formal written complaints to be made to
> newsserver owners and ISPs of ANY person who participates in
> Pricelessware business activity on ACF.
It might work better as FUD if you mentioned certified letters and
bonded couriers. It'll be a bit sad if your FUD causes some people to
shy away from Pricelessware, but I doubt you can convince many people.
> That is in addition to the possibility of Pricelessware indulging
> in unlawful licence activities and a CD selling $racket.
It's in addition to the possibility of Pricelessware murdering innocent
babies in their sleep as well. You don't have any evidence that
they're *not* doing that, right? So you can't rule it out, right? So
you should warn everyone that it might be happening, right? Think of
all the dead babies that could possibly be piling up. People wouldn't
want to be involved with something like that, right?
> >No, I've never said "Pricelessware is OWNED by ACF", with or without
> >the shouting.
>
> You are the only person shouting...
I didn't shout.
> my use of capitals was simply an alternative to using " " or * * or '
> ' or / / etc. That should be obvious.
You claim you didn't know that using caps is shouting? Quote marks are
only used for emphasis by morons. Asterisks indicate bold, and slashes
italics. If you want to underline something, use underscores.
> However, you've made many comments over a long period intended to
> mean that.
Sorry, but I'm not willing to defer to you as an authority on what
I mean. You've too often demonstrated an inability or unwillingness to
see what anything means.
> But it's interesting that you are now backing away from
> it...
You're responding to a post in which I explicitly said I'd never said
that. Even you couldn't have misunderstood that, so you must be
pretending that I'm backing away from a statement you know I never made.
> Clearly, that "PWH is owned by ACF" is a variable term which can
> be re-interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean at any time
> to suit the occasion. That is what you are saying. Right?
Your deliberate misunderstanding of what I was saying is getting a bit
out of hand; you might want to scale it back a bit.
> Referring me to Google doesn't cut the mustard as it proves
> nothing
Mustard needs cutting?
> >> >You could ask Vince, whom I believe did most of the checking this
> >> >time around,
> >>
> >> Who is Vince? never heard of him and he is irrelevant on this.
> >
> >I didn't realize you'd done absolutely nothing to bring yourself up
> >to speed about the CDs before launching your FUD about them. Google
> >the threads about licensing; given the speed at which you absorb
> >information, you should be back in a few months to let everyone know
> >what you found out.
>
> See my various comments about this.
> Googling will not help one jot.
Because you need information about mustard-cutting?
> >> Unlawful activity is NOT a game »Q«,
> >
> >But in the absense of unlawful activity, you are playing a game of
> >making vague, unsubstantiated allegations about alleged unlawful
> >activity
>
> Neither you nor I know that, yet. Why deny it?
You're more confused than usual; I haven't bothered to deny your
vague, unsubstantiated allegations about alleged unlawful activity.
> You sound like a mother "my son would never break the law"
> despite the police arresting him...it's called <blind faith>.
On the contrary, when you've asked me for assurances that you're not
breaking the law, I've indicated that I don't know what you're doing.
> >> >In past years, permission was sought for apps with
> >> >licenses that didn't explicitly grant redistribution rights, but
> >> >IIRC in 2008 only apps whose licenses grant them were included.
> >> >ICBW, and of course it's up to you to find out, if you're actually
> >> >interested.
> >>
> >> That is not true.
> >
> >We're at an impasse, since it is true.
>
> Yet you previously said "IIRC". Now you are certain.
Again, you are more confused than usual.
> It is not true. I posted one example that requires explicit
> approval, doubtless others exist. Why are you lying?
I can't even tell what you're accusing me of lying about.
> >> I suggest you read my post earlier to David W,
> >> in which I came across one program on the PL CD which is
> >> specifically excluded from distribution without explicit written
> >> permission from the authors.
> >
> >I read it, but you didn't give any information about it, here or
> >there.
>
> Naturally
Why direct me to look at red herrings?
> I think your comments are now getting to be abusive and acidic,
> so I've snipped them after a quick scan...
Good choice -- responding to my comments wasn't doing you or anybody
much good.
David W
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:17:43 -0400, David W wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:49:44 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:42:58 +0200, "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"
>>> <br.ed...@expires-2009-07-31.arcornews.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Both. If you can't be bothered to follow the Pricelessware project
>>>> close enough to get at least a slight idea of how things are done,
>>>> you also shouldn't bother to post wild unfounded accusations. And
>>>> if you know these things, your posts are nothing more than pure
>>>> trolling. :-(
>>>
>>> BeAr, you and �Q� and several others are playing the trolls' game, and
>>> it makes it inconvenient
>>
>> Oh, now it is inconvenient!! Let me tell you what "inconvenient" is Ron
>> May. It's when they arrest you, toss you in the klinker and you bend
>> down to pick up the toothpick which fell out of your mouth and get a
>> banana sized dick in your rear end.
>>
>> *That is inconvenient*. Expect to be inconvenienced.
>>
>
> Sir the softs I will sell (to cover handling charges) are very convenient.
At $125 a pop, I would say they are very convenient...for you!
> For kindness sake do not use offensive remarks about bananas or batti boys.
Sorry, I was angry at Mr. May for being a dicklick.
> The law is safe under our care.
>
> Please consider it. I speak in peace.
ok
»Q«
Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:06:43 -0500, »Q« <box...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> > In <news:73b655hbolcu4aj9a...@4ax.com>,
> > Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > please don't feed the trolls out of consideration for those of us
> > > who do have them killfiled.
> >
> > Kill their threads and/or kill on the [HB] tag in the subject.
>
> I'll grant that you've been using the [HB] tag on most recent posts
> and I for one appreciate that. Still, I feel it's not unreasonable to
> ask for some consideration. Even if there were an [HB] tag in this
> subject line, and there's not, I still see the rest of the subject
> line.
You should be able to set up filters so you don't see any of it. In an
exchange between me and hummingbird, you won't see his posts because
you have him killfiled and you won't see mine because you'll be killing
anything with the [HB] tag.
I haven't put the tag in this Subject header or the previous one
because we're not actually discussing hummingbird's issues here.
David W
>>Sidney, afaict, HB's never asked me a question about anything. Not that
>>I would ever see it directly, of course.
>>
>>Ron
>
> Contradicting yourself is becoming a pasttime, Ron.....
>
> I have asked you FIVE times over recent weeks about your IP
> Addresses and even if you didn't see them and therefore not
> responded, you had a chance to respond NOW thru the quote
> of my post by (troll) Sidney Lambe, but you didn't take it.
>
> We can only take that as YES, you have spammed Usenet.
>
> There you have it folks: Ron <rmoo...@ix.netcom.com> is a secret
> SPAMMER, but since he has aligned himself with the Pricelessware
> Cult (another bunch of spammers), not a single one of them will
> take any notice, despite their professed hatred of SPAM.
>
> You couldn't make this up...
Not in a million years.
David W
>>>In <news:1cd9350a1697dbe6...@aracari.127.0.0.1>,
>>>hummingbird <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I mean, surely you wouldn't be so naive as to risk breaking the
>>>> law based upon what someone else (who you don't know), tells you.
>>>> Right?
>>>
>>>Risk breaking the law?
>>
>> Correct. That is what I wrote.
>
> Risk breaking the law?
Too late, you've already broken it.
David W
> Kill their threads and/or kill on the [HB] tag in the subject.
Well, there you go, Hum, it was inevitable. Killfiled by 90% of the
active participants of ACF.
Wait till you get to 99%, then you get a trophy just like mine. :)
David W
> You might want to ask yourself what it is YOU Q hope to achieve in
> replying to the nonsense, and whether you're actually moving in that
> direction. If not, ISTM it makes little sense to continue.
Uh Oh, "Q" could go on the bad guys list if he doesn't tow the May line!
David W
> *All* programs have been checked *every* year. Permissions have been
> requested (if necessary from license) *every* year. The permission
> asked for was for making CD images available to /anybody/.
I believe you.
No, I lied, I don't
> The permissions have been posted to acf. Since the checking always has
> been done in a small time frame, looking up the necessary threads
> is simple enough. *No* freeware author *ever* complained, that the
> citation of a permission was wrong.
Not interested in looking for "threads", it's your job to post these
approvals where everyone can see them without labour.
If they exist and I bet they don't.
John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
>
>> You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
>
> Gee, John, ya think? <g>
>
> That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
> poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
> the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
Heh. I know *you* and most other regulars to this group are aware of
what "ebony" really is, but my post was mostly for those less adept at
picking out sock puppets and trolls.
It amazes me -the effort and time spent on trolling this group in an
attempt to disrupt it. Makes me tend to believe that such effort doesn't
go unrewarded financially, if you get my drift and in the context of my
recent thread about this being the main venue for general discussion of
freeware.
--
John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all Google Groups posts
because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet,
nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
2008 Pricelessware list: http://www.geocities.com/rtd3ws/08PWlist.html
»Q«
hummingbird <hummingbír...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> [snip: »Q«'s silly comments except this one:]
>
> >I've asked you several times to link to the page
> ><http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/> instead of to the ISOs
> >themselves, and I've told you why. Do you continue to link directly
> >to the ISO files simply out of spite or because you think it helps
> >establish the idea that there's an international criminal
> >conspiracy?
>
> No, I do it because:
>
> a) you keep changing the thread titles...and
People who don't want to read about your issues should have a tag to
filter on.
> b) you keep adding a Follow-UP to another group.
You're shouting again. ;)
You've changed position 180 degrees from "a.c.p is the only place to
discuss Pricelessware" to "it's a dirty trick to move Pricelessware
discussion to a.c.p".
> Both are bad netiquette, yet you purport to be debating
> these unlawful issues seriously.
Unlawful issues?
> IOW, you aren't the only one who can be a smartass <VBG>
Thanks for clarifying that you were only trying to be a smartass; you
could have saved some typing by just saying that you are indeed doing
it simply out of spite.
> BTW: YOU popped up in this debate to add your 'bit'.
There wasn't a debate to "pop up in". There was only you posting FUD
and someone correcting you.
> I suggest you take another look at what I wrote if you have any
> interest
I've already read your FUD several times; you'll need to do more than
repost it if you want me to read more of it.
> direct download links here from »Q«'s server:
That's some mighty fine smartassin' there, hummingbird.
Ron May
wrote:
> Ron May wrote:
> > John Corliss wrote:
> >
> >> You're a sock puppet troll, pure and simple.
> >
> > Gee, John, ya think? <g>
> >
> > That was evident from it's first post to this group, which, with its
> > poor variation of a Nigerian 419 scam oh so conveniently led to all
> > the bullshit threads like this one about the Priicelessware CDs.
>
> Heh. I know *you* and most other regulars to this group are aware of
> what "ebony" really is, but my post was mostly for those less adept at
> picking out sock puppets and trolls.
>
> It amazes me -the effort and time spent on trolling this group in an
> attempt to disrupt it. Makes me tend to believe that such effort doesn't
> go unrewarded financially, if you get my drift and in the context of my
> recent thread about this being the main venue for general discussion of
> freeware.
The old socialist in me would love to believe someone is doing this to
make a profit, bur the pragmatist in me tells me that what we have is
no more than a handful of pissant malcontents. I'm amazed that
they're still able to get a few others to rise to the bait.
I sometimes look at this group in the raw to get a sense of what it
would be like without filters:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en
And it's amazing. One good thing is that there are an increasing
number of threads where the only excanges are between the trolls and
socks themselves and the legitimate posters are ignoring them. I hope
the trend continues.
Me.Here
> '�Q�' wrote thus:
>
> [alt.comp.freeware re-inserted]
>
> I see you're back to your dirty tricks of adding follow-ups
> Right?
No, I don't think that's it HB. Adding follow-ups to a post is usually
done to garner support from others outside the group when your position
is shaky or you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Franklin
is a master of this as you well know. :-)
--
MH
David W
> One good thing is that there are an increasing
> number of threads where the only excanges are between the trolls and
> socks themselves and the legitimate posters are ignoring them. I hope
> the trend continues.
Legitimate posters = Good Guys = Pricelessware criminals.
»Q«
Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I sometimes look at this group in the raw to get a sense of what it
> would be like without filters:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en
>
> And it's amazing. One good thing is that there are an increasing
> number of threads where the only excanges are between the trolls and
> socks themselves and the legitimate posters are ignoring them. I hope
> the trend continues.
Google's 'topic summary' view is pretty bad for any group. Switching
to 'topic list' makes it much easier to pick out and avoid the
non-freeware threads, a mix of Google Grouper spam and HB threads.
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/topics>
Heh, Google serves interesting ads for this group,
<http://remarqs.net/misc/gsnap.png>.
--
»Q«
Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
Ron May
> Heh, Google serves interesting ads for this group,
> <http://remarqs.net/misc/gsnap.png>.
Now THAT was funny! <g>
Ron May
> You should be able to set up filters so you don't see any of it. In an
> exchange between me and hummingbird, you won't see his posts because
> you have him killfiled and you won't see mine because you'll be killing
> anything with the [HB] tag.
The obvious flaw is that not everyone uses tags, and if they do,
there's no consistency, IOW filtering on [HB] doesn't do it.
A far better asnswer IMV is to politely ask valuable ACF contributors
not to feed the trolls in the fist place and hope they give the
request fair consideration as a matter of courtesy to others. If
that's too much to ask, then I would appeal to them not to QUOTE the
trolls and help them spread their garbage. I'll take what I can get.