Re: Air France Jet Carrying 228 missing over Atlantic
hummingbird
> 'FACE' wrote thus:
>
>>The fact (not conjecture, not hearsay) that islamic terrorists have
>>been the major cause of aircraft falling out of the skies for the
>>last twenty years should certainly not lead to any speculation here
>>that maybe the copilot was already dead and the pilot had a razor to
>>his throat to report an "electrical problem"...........
>>
>>FACE
>>
>> Atlantic Search for Missing
>> Air France Jet Carrying 228
>>
>> Jet flying from Brazil to Paris loses contact with air traffic
>> controllers, airline says plane reported electrical problem
>> • RAW DATA: The Airbus A330-200
>
> "Intertropical Convergence Zone" causing severe turbulence
> and heavy lightning storms. A common problem.
>
> Plane hit by severe lightning which disabled/destroyed it.
>
Hello Chris (Hummingbird in ACF, Aracari in UPM).
That explanation about Intertropical Convergence Zone sounds like one
of your characteristic cut and paste jobs.
Why don't you ask your pilot friend and cocaine smuggler, Bear
Bottoms, to provide one of his explanations and post it here?
John Stubbings
Exactly, aracari the proven mass forger, proven mass sock puppeteer,
proven liar, and proven cretin that cannot use Google has much to answer.
Why does he not answer? His silence speaks volumes Franklin as he attempts
yet another smear campaign on a long term poster.
Why do you lie so much aracari?
You are a proven habitual pathological liar and yet you feel no shame and
continue posting these disgraceful limp attempts to discredit people and
disrupt this magnificent newsgroup of ours.
You need to see a doctor aracari. Both ends need looking at.
Stop this rubbish now!!!!!!!!!!!
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Franklin
> Franklin wrote:
>> On 1 Jun 2009 18:34, aracari wrote in uk.politics.misc
>>>
>>>
>>> heavy lightning storms. A common problem.
>>>
>>> Plane hit by severe lightning which disabled/destroyed it.
>>
>>
>> one of your characteristic cut and paste jobs.
>>
>> Why don't you ask your pilot friend and cocaine smuggler, Bear
>> Bottoms, to provide one of his explanations and post it here?
>
>
> own ignorance and stupidity onto others.
Dear Hummingbird/Aracari (Chris Millbank)
As usual you have avoided answering my question. So I'll repeat it for
you.
Your information about Intertropical Convergence Zone is a
characteristic cut and paste job. Why don't you ask your pilot friend
and cocaine smuggler, Bear Bottoms, to provide one of his explanations
and post it here?
> FYI: I have flown that exact same route myself many times on AF and
> will be doing so again in a few months.
To be honest Chris I don't really wish to know about your regular sex
trips to consort with underage transvestites in Brazil.
I only hope you don't have the disgraceful cheek to post any more your
sex holiday photos as you did recently when you were availing yourself
of the services of transexual prostitutes in Thailand.
http://i30.tinypic.com/348irkn.jpg
[rest of your garbage binned unread]
John Corliss
Franklin, do you notice that you're cross-posting this thread into ACF?
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John Stubbings
hummingbird you are a chav, a proven mass forger, proven mass sock
puppeteer, proven liar, and proven cretin that cannot use Google.
You recently posted these ***FORGERIES*** using my nym
Message-ID: <Xns8q3ro1...@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <XNSgvp0s91uk...@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <XNSgvvu1vov...@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <XNSp17t1ku.1...@127.0.0.1>
I have posted full details of your other 3573935 sock puppets and forgeries
last month alone
It's all there in your lack of personality profile.
and now you have the temerity to state
> I do not indulge in "false howls of protest"
We need an apology for these lies dammit!!!!!
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DESTROY THIS NEWSGROUP!!!!!
You are clearly a socialist in denial, suffering from cretinism.
His diary speaks volumes
"I get on the no 67 bus every morning at Tulse hill and say to the
conductor "Oxbridge my good man and don't hold back the horses". They have
the impudence to smile at me, and *worse*. I always seem to end up on the
Woolwich ferry with more chav socialist scum. It's quite frightful."
He's an obvious narcissist. It's all in his lack of personality profile.
Worldwide agencies have been alerted. They are monitoring him around the
clock. He is well known to all the agencies. He has a very dark side. I
cannot reveal all right now, as my investigations are continuing.
I'm serious people, don't interact with this pathological liar. Killfile
him acf, take care. Leave this psychopath to the experts.
There is much more to come out.
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John Stubbings
> Yes yes Goebbels is my hero, Stubbings.
You would say that. You are a bearware cultist after all.
YOU HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY TRIED TO DESTROY THIS GROUP!!!!
and you are
a proven mass forger, proven mass sock puppeteer,
proven liar, and proven cretin that cannot use Google.
I recommend killfiling you!!!! I am gathering evidence.
Dan Camper
>>> That explanation about Intertropical Convergence Zone sounds like
>>> one of your characteristic cut and paste jobs.
>>>
>>> Why don't you ask your pilot friend and cocaine smuggler, Bear
>>> Bottoms, to provide one of his explanations and post it here?
>>
>> Franklin, it is not a cut/paste. As usual, you are projecting your
>> own ignorance and stupidity onto others.
>
> Dear Hummingbird/Aracari (Chris Millbank)
>
> As usual you have avoided answering my question. So I'll repeat it for
> you.
>
> Your information about Intertropical Convergence Zone is a
> characteristic cut and paste job. Why don't you ask your pilot friend
> and cocaine smuggler, Bear Bottoms, to provide one of his explanations
> and post it here?
Frank Camper, what room have you to talk, idiot?
You taught the Sikhs how to blow up an airplane full of innocent people.
That makes you a mass murderer, cocksucker.
So shut the fuck up.
Get it?
Bob Van Gilder
What are the chances we can get a majority vote on this issue? Franklin,
Ari, hummingbird, and a dozen others have been verified as Frank Camper.
it;s old, let's get this fucking thing worked out, ok? :)
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REM
>John Stubbings <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>SYSTEMATICALLY TRIED TO DESTROY THIS GROUP!!!!
>and you are
John. This is precisely what I'm referring to in my previous posts
that you took exception to.
It's a binary poison for the group ... and you are part two. part one
is totally inert without your REPLIES.
He is riding you like a rented mule... and you fail to see it???
Kill file him and all the puppets like the rest of us. Don't respond!
Take a moment and look over the tripe that you've spewed today. Why?
To uphold your reputation? You are killing your own reputation and
he's prolly laughing his ass off over it.
We know what is BS and we ignore and filter it. You are quite safe
until you riddle the group with replies that are _totally useless._
Do you really think that he will wake up one day and decide that he's
been wrong and he's going to admit it????
I'm trying to help, believe it or not.
Together, you TWO have:
>SYSTEMATICALLY TRIED TO DESTROY THIS GROUP!!!!
You control one keyboard. He controls the other.
Whatcha think?
Franklin
> 'Franklin' wrote thus:
>>
>>"Dear Hummingbird"
>>
>
> Franklin, don't "Dear Hummingbird" me, you snake.
>
Dear Hummingbird/Aracari (Chris Millbank)
As usual you have avoided answering my question. So I'll repeat it for
you.
Your information about "Intertropical Convergence Zone" is a
laughable cut and paste job. Why don't you ask your pilot friend
and cocaine smuggler, Bear Bottoms, to provide one of his explanations
and post it here?
> FYI: I have flown that exact same route myself many times on AF and
> will be doing so again in a few months.
To be honest Chris none really really wants to know about your regular
sex trips to consort with underage transvestites in Brazil.
I hope you don't post more sex holiday photos as you did recently when
you were looking to avail yourself of the services of some transexual
prostitutes in Thailand. See here:
http://i30.tinypic.com/348irkn.jpg
Franklin
> What are the chances we can get a majority vote on this issue?
> Franklin, Ari, hummingbird, and a dozen others have been verified as
> Frank Camper. it;s old, let's get this fucking thing worked out, ok?
> :)
I wouldn't want to be associated with anything to do with Chris Millbank.
He's already two faced as it is:
He's "Aracari" in uk.politics.misc but is "Hummingbird" in
alt.comp.freeware.
John Stubbings
> Whatcha think?
I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
against a couple of others I can think of.
REM
>John Stubbings <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>> Whatcha think?
>I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
>against a couple of others I can think of.
I do care about you here and in the PL process. I obviously don't read
any others that you might be talking about. As simply as that.
burnr
@news.eternal-september.org:
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>
>> Whatcha think?
>
> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
> against a couple of others I can think of.
>
John, I can't speak for REM, but I can tell you why I don't post to the
trolls....it is what they want and I refuse to give them what they want. I
win!
By far, the majority of posters here I respect their opinions. But the 3-4
regular trolls here mean nothing to me, nothing. And I don't give a rats
ass what they say to me or about me. Their posts mean nothing!!!
David W
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>
>> Whatcha think?
>
> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
> against a couple of others I can think of.
He'll jump off your bandwagon in a second, John. You were to be
Fitzsimons replacement before you went berserk with your
anti-hummingbird mission.
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Franklin
<news:4a25bc6d$0$872$c5fe...@read01.usenet4all.se>:
The "Jesus-John" posts were intended to prevent that.
John Stubbings
> 'REM' wrote thus:
>>>John Stubbings <anna.riceD...@virgin.net>>
>>>SYSTEMATICALLY TRIED TO DESTROY THIS GROUP!!!!
>
>
>>John. This is precisely what I'm referring to in my previous posts
>>that you took exception to.
>
>>He is riding you like a rented mule... and you fail to see it???
>
>
> Bullshit. Stubbings has been swaggering around this newsgroup
I don't swagger hummingbird, only fascists like you do that. I'm kinda laid
back, kinda fly for a white guy. Really.
> for 6-9 months attacking people.
Let's think back. I never attacked you before you attacked me. You got
upset and posted a load of forgeries and tried to implicate me when I sided
with Franklin because I followed both of your posted links and Franklin's
added up and yours went nowhere. Rejection is hard for you, obviously.
Others have posted similar findings. I have proved so many times that you
are a liar, it's just pointless even bothering now.
I've never attacked anyone before they have posted against me. Mostly I
post against you. A lot of people do. Any idea why that might be. It's
because you are a **** < fill it in
> NOBODY asked him to do that.
> HIS choice. When he gets it back, he squeals like a pussy.
>
>
> You are an arrogant idiot and one of the PWH freaks I referred
> to in my post to Stubbings.
>
> One look at the archives for ACF and anybody can see that
> pricelessware has been at the very root of virtually ALL bad blood
> on this newsgroup for years, and YOU have been a major player in
> pricelessware ("the manager"). That makes YOU one of the problems.
>
> Please take your arrogant projections and stuff it where the sun
> don't shine pal.
"Stuff it where the sun don't shine pal". Jeeze, are you sure you went to
Oxbridge? Because those that have, that I have known, and worked with, have
sparkled like diamonds. You come across like a dull fart.
John Stubbings
Fine. I respect your POV too.
John Stubbings
Like a spare part? How many David W's are there anyway? Do you carry
spares?
John Stubbings
He's looking after my well being.
John Stubbings
> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>
>>> Whatcha think?
>>
>>I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
>>against a couple of others I can think of.
>
>
> Stubbings, why don't you be done with it and post a new
> "do you love me" thread.
>
> That's what Bugher spent her time doing.
>
> That is what you want to hear. Right?
>
> Maybe they'll give you the webmaster job and drop Craig.
>
> That is what you want. Right.
You didn't go to Oxbridge did you hummer? I mean, that was entry level.
Or was that one of your 'extensive management experience' techniques?
Bit of advice, use less words, construct them better.
Selso Isley
But what you're overlooking is, because it's coming from from you,
it's, in all probability, a lie.
Franklin
> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>
>>> Whatcha think?
>>
>> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you
>> don't post against a couple of others I can think of.
>>
>
> "do you love me" thread.
>
> That's what Bugher spent her time doing.
>
> That is what you want to hear. Right?
>
>
> That is what you want. Right.
>
Dear Hummingbird
Why would anyone take your comments at face value?
Your posts aim to create discord because discord helps your strategy
of preventing progress on PLW/ACF.
John Stubbings
Then you are killfiling most of the talent we have left.
Jason Bremmer
Just as your responding to him also creates discord.
Why do you not see that?
Why can you not stop?
Franklin
>> On 3 Jun 2009 00:57, David W wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>>>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>>
>>>> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you
>>>> don't post against a couple of others I can think of.
>>>
>>> He'll jump off your bandwagon in a second, John. You were to be
>>> Fitzsimons replacement before you went berserk with your
>>> anti-hummingbird mission.
>>
>> The "Jesus-John" posts were intended to prevent that.
>
> He's looking after my well being.
It seemed to be an unusual way of doing it.
David W
Franklin, I don't understand. John transformed into Jesus-John then to
BersekJohn, these rather schizoid events are related to his
ever-awakening to the political wankerism in ACF? Which manifests itself
in a Holy War against hummingbird?
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David W
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:04:22 +0100, Franklin wrote:
>
>> On 3 Jun 2009 00:57, David W wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>> <news:4a25bc6d$0$872$c5fe...@read01.usenet4all.se>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:23:42 +0100, John Stubbings wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>>
>>>> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you
>>>> don't post against a couple of others I can think of.
>>>
>>> He'll jump off your bandwagon in a second, John. You were to be
>>> Fitzsimons replacement before you went berserk with your
>>> anti-hummingbird mission.
>>
>> The "Jesus-John" posts were intended to prevent that.
>
> He's looking after my well being.
Christ knows He failed you.
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David W
> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:57:32 -0400, David W wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:23:42 +0100, John Stubbings wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>
>>> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
>>> against a couple of others I can think of.
>>
>> He'll jump off your bandwagon in a second, John. You were to be
>> Fitzsimons replacement before you went berserk with your
>> anti-hummingbird mission.
>
> Like a spare part? How many David W's are there anyway? Do you carry
> spares?
You're getting to the point of unintelligible gibberish, John.
It's not my fault, I warned you, not to get involved with the
egopolitics of ACF. You're disappointment was guaranteed.
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David W
I would disagree, Franklin, Hum, imo, can't influence the level of
incompetency that already exists among the superegos involved in ACF.
WTS, he may have an interest in seeing Criminal Bottoms aka Jacqueline
Bottoms take the forefront with is website.
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Larry Sabo
I had removed Stubbing from my kill-file after reading others' replies
to his helpful PWH posts, thinking he is really trying to help us in
preserving ACF/PWH. He obviously put a lot of thought into his
comments and suggestions and progress seemed to be made.
Then he reverted to his old habit of responding to trolls; it got so
bad that back in the bozzo bin he went - mine and, I suspect, *many*
others'. Yet, he can't see it, and took your attempts to help him to
see it, as a personal assault and a betrayal.
Until he sees that responding to trolls makes him as bad as the
trolls, I suspect there is nothing further he can do to be helpful to
ACF. It's simply not worth wading through his troll-bated posts to
find the worthwhile bits. Sad, as he seemed to have a lot to offer.
Larry
Franklin
$873$c5fe...@read01.usenet4all.se>:
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:42:35 +0100, Franklin wrote:
>
>> On 3 Jun 2009 01:20, hummingbird wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>>> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>>
>>>> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you
>>>> don't post against a couple of others I can think of.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Stubbings, why don't you be done with it and post a new
>>> "do you love me" thread.
>>>
>>> That's what Bugher spent her time doing.
>>>
>>> That is what you want to hear. Right?
>>>
>>> Maybe they'll give you the webmaster job and drop Craig.
>>>
>>> That is what you want. Right.
>>>
>>
>> Dear Hummingbird
>>
>> Why would anyone take your comments at face value?
>>
>> Your posts aim to create discord because discord helps your strategy
>> of preventing progress on PLW/ACF.
>
> I would disagree, Franklin, Hum, imo, can't influence the level of
> incompetency that already exists among the superegos involved in ACF.
Hummingbird attempts to force the various parties in PLW or ACF to act on
his wishes. No other person is doing this in the way Hummingbird is with
his long diatribes.
When Hummingbird isn't able to get his way he creates distracting
arguments or starts highly contentious threads.
For all we know, ACF may find it is the target of a disruptive sporge
attack at the moment regular posters are about to pass some milestone.
IYSWIM.
Franklin
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:20:31 +0100, [Goebbels] hummingbird wrote:
>> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>
>>> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you
>>> don't post against a couple of others I can think of.
>>
>>
>> Stubbings, why don't you be done with it and post a new
>> "do you love me" thread.
>>
>> That's what Bugher spent her time doing.
>> That is what you want to hear. Right?
>> Maybe they'll give you the webmaster job and drop Craig.
>> That is what you want. Right.
>
> You didn't go to Oxbridge did you hummer? I mean, that was entry
> level.
>
> Or was that one of your 'extensive management experience'
> techniques?
Hummingbird's "extensive management experience" was in IBM which was
famous for FUD or Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
Hummingbird now uses "fake facts" and falsified allegations to create
at atmosphere of FUD.
David W
> REM <REMbr...@netscape.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>John Stubbings <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>
>>>> Whatcha think?
>>
>>>I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
>>>against a couple of others I can think of.
>>
>>I do care about you here and in the PL process. I obviously don't read
>>any others that you might be talking about. As simply as that.
>
> I had removed Stubbing from my kill-file after reading others' replies
> to his helpful PWH posts, thinking he is really trying to help us in
> preserving ACF/PWH. He obviously put a lot of thought into his
> comments and suggestions and progress seemed to be made.
Congratulations, Jesus-John, see the admiration you commanded?
> Then he reverted to his old habit of responding to trolls; it got so
> bad that back in the bozzo bin he went - mine and, I suspect, *many*
> others'. Yet, he can't see it, and took your attempts to help him to
> see it, as a personal assault and a betrayal.
John-less-Jesus, here lies the truth. You either dance their puppet
strings or your a bozo on the outs.
> Until he sees that responding to trolls makes him as bad as the
> trolls,
From Jesus-John to John to John-less-Jesus to TrollJohn...in less than
48 hours.
> I suspect there is nothing further he can do to be helpful to
> ACF. It's simply not worth wading through his troll-bated posts to
> find the worthwhile bits. Sad, as he seemed to have a lot to offer.
>
> Larry
Larry is but one voice.
John, are you interested in my agenda?
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David W
>>> Dear Hummingbird
>>>
>>> Why would anyone take your comments at face value?
>>>
>>> Your posts aim to create discord because discord helps your strategy
>>> of preventing progress on PLW/ACF.
>>
>> I would disagree, Franklin, Hum, imo, can't influence the level of
>> incompetency that already exists among the superegos involved in ACF.
>
> Hummingbird attempts to force the various parties in PLW or ACF to act on
> his wishes. No other person is doing this in the way Hummingbird is with
> his long diatribes.
And you are not? Please, Franklin, your disngenouisity is proportional
to your Usenet posting numbers.
> When Hummingbird isn't able to get his way he creates distracting
> arguments or starts highly contentious threads.
Why does this matter to you?
> For all we know, ACF may find it is the target of a disruptive sporge
> attack at the moment regular posters are about to pass some milestone.
> IYSWIM.
Why would you care?
--
http://www.farkie.com/
John Stubbings
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:02:09 -0400, Larry Sabo wrote:
>
>> REM <REMbr...@netscape.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>John Stubbings <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>
>>>>I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
>>>>against a couple of others I can think of.
>>>
>>>I do care about you here and in the PL process. I obviously don't read
>>>any others that you might be talking about. As simply as that.
>>
>> I had removed Stubbing from my kill-file after reading others' replies
>> to his helpful PWH posts, thinking he is really trying to help us in
>> preserving ACF/PWH. He obviously put a lot of thought into his
>> comments and suggestions and progress seemed to be made.
>
> Congratulations, Jesus-John, see the admiration you commanded?
Do you seriously believe I'm that naive or needy? You can't seem to get
that into *your* head.
>> Then he reverted to his old habit of responding to trolls; it got so
>> bad that back in the bozzo bin he went - mine and, I suspect, *many*
>> others'. Yet, he can't see it, and took your attempts to help him to
>> see it, as a personal assault and a betrayal.
>
> John-less-Jesus, here lies the truth. You either dance their puppet
> strings or your a bozo on the outs.
That simply doesn't add up does it. Some of the *cult* do support what I
have been trying to do. *Some* have emailed me to say how funny they found
my "turn the argument back at hummingbird" stuff was.
Just because REM and Larry think both you and I are undesirables *doesn't*
mean they all do.
I'm sure *many* do realise that some of what you do is valuable. REM and
Larry and all the other tossers who cannot see your contribution over the
Fitz affair and other stuff are fools, but at the moment I'm finding *you*
as irritating as REM. When do I post against your particular tactics? Apart
from maybe a couple of times when I thought you were someone else. It's not
always obvious.
I'm not the only one who cannot figure where you have been coming from for
the past two weeks.
>> Until he sees that responding to trolls makes him as bad as the
>> trolls,
>
> From Jesus-John to John to John-less-Jesus to TrollJohn...in less than
> 48 hours.
>
>> I suspect there is nothing further he can do to be helpful to
>> ACF. It's simply not worth wading through his troll-bated posts to
>> find the worthwhile bits. Sad, as he seemed to have a lot to offer.
>>
>> Larry
>
> Larry is but one voice.
>
> John, are you interested in my agenda?
If you have one, yes. If it's just more mischief, no.
John Stubbings
>>You didn't go to Oxbridge did you hummer?
>
> I did actually. Don't let it get to you.
Nah! you didn't. You're not bright enough.
David W
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:09:43 -0400, David W wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:02:09 -0400, Larry Sabo wrote:
>>
>>> REM <REMbr...@netscape.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>John Stubbings <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>>
>>>>>I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you don't post
>>>>>against a couple of others I can think of.
>>>>
>>>>I do care about you here and in the PL process. I obviously don't read
>>>>any others that you might be talking about. As simply as that.
>>>
>>> I had removed Stubbing from my kill-file after reading others' replies
>>> to his helpful PWH posts, thinking he is really trying to help us in
>>> preserving ACF/PWH. He obviously put a lot of thought into his
>>> comments and suggestions and progress seemed to be made.
>>
>> Congratulations, Jesus-John, see the admiration you commanded?
>
> Do you seriously believe I'm that naive or needy? You can't seem to get
> that into *your* head.
I have no other means to explain your inexplicably dull-brained decision
to align yourself with a room full of ego-lunatics. Am I supposed to
believe you were filled with Christian love to offer your services when
the outcome was the crucifixion you now have to endure?
Naive or stupid? Needy or overcome with The Spirit?
>>> Then he reverted to his old habit of responding to trolls; it got so
>>> bad that back in the bozzo bin he went - mine and, I suspect, *many*
>>> others'. Yet, he can't see it, and took your attempts to help him to
>>> see it, as a personal assault and a betrayal.
>>
>> John-less-Jesus, here lies the truth. You either dance their puppet
>> strings or you're a bozo on the outs.
>
> That simply doesn't add up does it. Some of the *cult* do support what I
> have been trying to do. *Some* have emailed me to say how funny they found
> my "turn the argument back at hummingbird" stuff was.
Did they? You trust these people? Do you?
Naive is winning.
> Just because REM and Larry think both you and I are undesirables *doesn't*
> mean they all do.
Exactly what have I done that is undesirable? Outed a fake, a fraud, a
convict? What else? Have fair discussion with hummingbird?
I get no feedback from anyone except the two of you.
These people are savagely driven by their own egotistical goals, I
should be a hero not in killfiles.
Naive, taking a larger lead.
> I'm sure *many* do realise that some of what you do is valuable. REM and
> Larry and all the other tossers who cannot see your contribution over the
> Fitz affair and other stuff are fools, but at the moment I'm finding *you*
> as irritating as REM.
Clear messages about obvious truths bring personal rain.
Naive, extending its lead.
> When do I post against your particular tactics? Apart
> from maybe a couple of times when I thought you were someone else. It's not
> always obvious.
<sigh> I don't post anything with a particular motive of revenge, John.
It is not me that is toying with you.
> I'm not the only one who cannot figure where you have been coming from for
> the past two weeks.
Did anyone care to ask? Of course not, that would be too simple for this
group of retarded malcontents with small-minded ways and overreaching
egos.
>>> Until he sees that responding to trolls makes him as bad as the
>>> trolls,
>>
>> From Jesus-John to John to John-less-Jesus to TrollJohn...in less than
>> 48 hours.
>>
>>> I suspect there is nothing further he can do to be helpful to
>>> ACF. It's simply not worth wading through his troll-bated posts to
>>> find the worthwhile bits. Sad, as he seemed to have a lot to offer.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>
>> Larry is but one voice.
>>
>> John, are you interested in my agenda?
>
> If you have one, yes. If it's just more mischief, no.
I have one.
Let me know when you figure out if it is mischief or purpose.
Why not email your Usenet friends, get their counsel, since they are so
important in your life.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
Franklin
<news:4a2613a7$0$872$c5fe...@read01.usenet4all.se>:
You have an agenda?
Franklin
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:18:01 +0100, Franklin wrote:
>
>>>> Dear Hummingbird
>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone take your comments at face value?
>>>>
>>>> Your posts aim to create discord because discord helps your
>>>> strategy of preventing progress on PLW/ACF.
>>>
>>> I would disagree, Franklin, Hum, imo, can't influence the level of
>>> incompetency that already exists among the superegos involved in
>>> ACF.
>>
>> Hummingbird attempts to force the various parties in PLW or ACF to
>> act on his wishes. No other person is doing this in the way
>> Hummingbird is with his long diatribes.
>
> And you are not? Please, Franklin, your disngenouisity is
> proportional to your Usenet posting numbers.
>
I don't post in the way Hummingbird does where he insists his new ideas
for ACF or PWH be discussed or he starts to insult and abuse the other
person.
Hummingbird is unique in the grand way he insists on a reply to every nit
picking concern he posts about.
What makes Hummingbird think he is owed a reply or explanation by anyone?
>> When Hummingbird isn't able to get his way he creates distracting
>> arguments or starts highly contentious threads.
>
> Why does this matter to you?
>
>> For all we know, ACF may find it is the target of a disruptive
>> sporge attack at the moment regular posters are about to pass some
>> milestone. IYSWIM.
>
> Why would you care?
I would rather read genuine discussion about the future of PWH than read
Hummingbird's rants or his fake distractions. Or his tantrums.
Franklin
<news:unob25hv1lf4odhtt...@4ax.com>:
Larry, I too could just as easily be accused of some of the things you
say to John Stubbings. I guess we all have our own way of dealing with
trolls and forgeries and your way differs from mine and, presumably,
John's way
To be honest I doubt if you would keep say "ignore the trolls" when the
troll posts turn into malicious forgeries. I am thinking of the three
"This is John Stubbings" threads of course.
Those forgeries were designed to be malicious and harmful and were
probably made because John was too active in helping with the new PLW
arrangements. John also was active in rejecting Hummingbird's lies about
me.
On account of the fact that Hummingbird has long made false claims about
imaginary things I'm supposed to have done, then I prefer not to leave
such falsity unchallenged.
I suspect Hummingbird's fake allegations and destructive behavior would
be over more quickly if posters who saw his hypocrisy and his agenda
registered their protest actively rather than complain about those who
are affected and who wish to respond. YMMV.
Franklin
David W
> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>
>>On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:09:43 -0400, David W wrote:
>
>>> Congratulations, Jesus-John, see the admiration you commanded?
>>
>>Do you seriously believe I'm that naive or needy? You can't seem to get
>>that into *your* head.
>>
>>>> Then he reverted to his old habit of responding to trolls; it got so
>>>> bad that back in the bozzo bin he went - mine and, I suspect, *many*
>>>> others'. Yet, he can't see it, and took your attempts to help him to
>>>> see it, as a personal assault and a betrayal.
>>>
>>> John-less-Jesus, here lies the truth. You either dance their puppet
>>> strings or your a bozo on the outs.
>
>>Some of the *cult* do support what I have been trying to do.
>
> Really? I don't. The idea that PWH needs a bunch of people all
> acting as pseudo-webmasters is a complete nonsense. The ONLY
> reason it has come up is because the freaks in the shadows who
> control PWH have set their face against certain people being
> webmaster, whilst claiming that PWH is owned by ACF and ACF
> people take the decisions. What a joke.
As freakish as Susan Bugher is, she, Geena before, have taught the
necessity for centralized control.
> I believe your medium term plan was to become webmaster.
> Right?
Hum, unfair and you know it, if anything John has been the champion of
divestiture.
>>*Some* have emailed me to say how funny they found
>>my "turn the argument back at hummingbird" stuff was.
>
> I can almost believe that. Doesn't it show others just how evil
> and nasty the PWH Freak Cult really is. Like I said earlier John,
> if you hang out with scum, you get the same label. You chose
> your bed, you have to lie in it.
I can totally believe it. These are the same goons who have the time to
endlessly argue about Pricelessware and nary any time to post a drop on
freeware.
Lost in all of this is the true purposes of ACF. Discussion of new and
existing freeware.
And my friend, both you and John share in that disgrace. I would not
toot your horns to loudly about Cults and emailed support if I was
either of you.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
David W
> All you PWH freaks see PWH and ACF as two terms for the same
> thing. They are not. Until you get that through your thick heads
> peace will not come to ACF. Pricelessware is an invader of ACF
> and needs to take its internal business to alt.comp.pricelessware
> where it belongs.
Until PWH and ACF are finely and finally divided, PWH will be the death
of ACF.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
David W
> 'David W' wrote thus:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:42:35 +0100, Franklin wrote:
>>
>>> On 3 Jun 2009 01:20, hummingbird wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>>>> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>>>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you
>>>>> don't post against a couple of others I can think of.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stubbings, why don't you be done with it and post a new
>>>> "do you love me" thread.
>>>>
>>>> That's what Bugher spent her time doing.
>>>>
>>>> That is what you want to hear. Right?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe they'll give you the webmaster job and drop Craig.
>>>>
>>>> That is what you want. Right.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Hummingbird
>>>
>>> Why would anyone take your comments at face value?
>>>
>>> Your posts aim to create discord because discord helps your strategy
>>> of preventing progress on PLW/ACF.
>
>>I would disagree, Franklin, Hum, imo, can't influence the level of
>>incompetency that already exists among the superegos involved in ACF.
>
> Describing the PWH people as incompetent is being very generous.
..:)
> PWH is really a cult by any reasonable definition of the term
> and operates by attacking dissenters with malicious lies and
> projecting its own flawed characters onto others. Its dominance
> and control of ACF has been going on for over 5 years and they
> wish it to continue at any cost. Cult members have huge bloated
> egos.
You and Bottoms are stuck on this definition of cult. Why, I have no
idea. Perhaps you have wrapped your own ego so deeply into the word that
you cannot let it go.
What has happened is that this constant barrage of CULT CULT CULT makes
you come off as a QUACK QUACK QUACK hindering your own agendae.
That is not to mean you are incorrect, people always band together and
rarely do so without being self-served. The PWH huddling group of fools
is no different.
But standing on top of a Usenet mountain and repeating the same phrases
to the point of absurdity is considerable destructive to the service you
wish to deploy.
I would think by now you would realize that. Why you have not casts
serious dispersions on your own level-headedness.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
Franklin
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> All you PWH freaks see PWH and ACF as two terms for the same thing.
> They are not. Until you get that through your thick heads peace will
> not come to ACF. Pricelessware is an invader of ACF and needs to
> take its internal business to alt.comp.pricelessware where it
> belongs.
>
Hummingbird,
By now, everyone has heard your points about PWH and ACF many times
over. You gain nothing by repeating it.
Peaople have reached their own conclusion.
You may not agree with what people conclude but they are entitled to
their own view. No one has to account to you for what they choose.
Can't you accept this?
Franklin
>>> [trimmed]
>>>
>>> Larry is but one voice.
>>>
>>> John, are you interested in my agenda?
>>
>> If you have one, yes. If it's just more mischief, no.
>
> I have one.
>
> Let me know when you figure out if it is mischief or purpose.
David W, you appear to prefer puzzles than plain speaking.
> Why not email your Usenet friends, get their counsel, since they are so
> important in your life.
Surely no one sees your agenda as so important that it needs debating. Is
that being suggested in place of a straightforward statement from you?
Franklin
<news:4a2680b9$0$870$c5fe...@read01.usenet4all.se>:
The original use of the term "cult" by Hummingbird and Bottoms was
made in order to deflect a debate down a pathway where criticism was
turned into discussing the correct definition of a cult.
Hummingbird and Bottoms soon used "cult" in petty name calling. It
frequently got a reaction, so it could always be used as an insult
which seemed to hit its mark.
Of course the term is mispplied and meaningless in this group.
Its use makes HB or BB look like fools but they continue to be
attracted by the reaction it provokes.
David W
> On 3 Jun 2009 14:36, David W wrote:
>>>> [trimmed]
>>>>
>>>> Larry is but one voice.
>>>>
>>>> John, are you interested in my agenda?
>>>
>>> If you have one, yes. If it's just more mischief, no.
>>
>> I have one.
>>
>> Let me know when you figure out if it is mischief or purpose.
>
> David W, you appear to prefer puzzles than plain speaking.
Puzzles solved are plainly discerned, are they not?
>> Why not email your Usenet friends, get their counsel, since they are so
>> important in your life.
>
> Surely no one sees your agenda as so important that it needs debating.
Seemingly so.
> Is
> that being suggested in place of a straightforward statement from you?
If I cared for Usenet counter-play, I would have been long gone ages
ago.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
John Stubbings
>> I'm not the only one who cannot figure where you have been coming from for
>> the past two weeks.
>
> Did anyone care to ask? Of course not, that would be too simple for this
> group of retarded malcontents with small-minded ways and overreaching
> egos.
David W, You chased me around the newsgroup shortly after you appeared
posting a load of conflicting nonsense.
I finally responded and told you that. You didn't explain yourself then,
and you still haven't.
This post doesn't add up either, bits do of course, but you're just
playing, very funny. ha.
David W
They were and are a joke. So poorly done to call them forgeries is to
give them credence that they were not so easily seen as what they were.
Child's bullshit.
> Those forgeries were designed to be malicious and harmful and were
> probably made because John was too active in helping with the new PLW
> arrangements. John also was active in rejecting Hummingbird's lies about
> me.
Whatever the reason, they were effective in jolting the Jesus out of
John. For a moment.
> On account of the fact that Hummingbird has long made false claims about
> imaginary things I'm supposed to have done, then I prefer not to leave
> such falsity unchallenged.
That is the understatement of the day.
> I suspect Hummingbird's fake allegations and destructive behavior would
> be over more quickly if posters who saw his hypocrisy and his agenda
> registered their protest actively rather than complain about those who
> are affected and who wish to respond. YMMV.
>
> Franklin
For the sake of argument, let's say I agree that hum is what you say.
Then I would also say that it would (does) make no difference in his
behaviour. That is as clear as fresh spring water.
For whatever odd reason you have, and he has, to carry on these useless
and endless Usenet turf wars, I cannot fathom.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
David W
> On 3 Jun 2009 07:13, David W wrote
>
>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:18:01 +0100, Franklin wrote:
>>
>>>>> Dear Hummingbird
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would anyone take your comments at face value?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your posts aim to create discord because discord helps your
>>>>> strategy of preventing progress on PLW/ACF.
>>>>
>>>> I would disagree, Franklin, Hum, imo, can't influence the level of
>>>> incompetency that already exists among the superegos involved in
>>>> ACF.
>>>
>>> Hummingbird attempts to force the various parties in PLW or ACF to
>>> act on his wishes. No other person is doing this in the way
>>> Hummingbird is with his long diatribes.
>>
>> And you are not? Please, Franklin, your disngenouisity is
>> proportional to your Usenet posting numbers.
>>
>
> I don't post in the way Hummingbird does where he insists his new ideas
> for ACF or PWH be discussed or he starts to insult and abuse the other
> person.
>
> Hummingbird is unique in the grand way he insists on a reply to every nit
> picking concern he posts about.
Which you vigilantly and ceasingly never fail to remind us.
> What makes Hummingbird think he is owed a reply or explanation by anyone?
Why do you give a shit?
>>> When Hummingbird isn't able to get his way he creates distracting
>>> arguments or starts highly contentious threads.
>>
>> Why does this matter to you?
>>
>>> For all we know, ACF may find it is the target of a disruptive
>>> sporge attack at the moment regular posters are about to pass some
>>> milestone. IYSWIM.
>>
>> Why would you care?
>
> I would rather read genuine discussion about the future of PWH than read
> Hummingbird's rants or his fake distractions. Or his tantrums.
Solved.
Killfile him.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
David W
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:36:11 -0400, David W wrote:
>
>>> I'm not the only one who cannot figure where you have been coming from for
>>> the past two weeks.
>>
>> Did anyone care to ask? Of course not, that would be too simple for this
>> group of retarded malcontents with small-minded ways and overreaching
>> egos.
>
> David W, You chased me around the newsgroup shortly after you appeared
> posting a load of conflicting nonsense.
The only person who is conflicted is you (Jesus)-John or whomever you
happen to be at this very second in time.
> I finally responded and told you that. You didn't explain yourself then,
> and you still haven't.
I anser questions when asked sincerely. When the questioner states that
he is unsure if I am serious, I feel no compulsion to game-play, John.
Clear your own head first.
> This post doesn't add up either, bits do of course,
Either it does or does not. Clear your head.
> but you're just
> playing, very funny. ha.
And back to my point of being serious and game-playing. Clear your head.
--
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David W
It has long since hit any marks except in rebounding and smacking them
right between the eyes. The consistent overuse of the term has them
redefining absurdity in a non-comedic way.
> Of course the term is mispplied and meaningless in this group.
"Wolf" called many times too many times.
> Its use makes HB or BB look like fools but they continue to be
> attracted by the reaction it provokes.
If anyone reacts for any other reason than to be nerve-wracked by the
shrillness of repetitive lunacy, then those fools need their own heads
examined.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
David W
> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>>>You didn't go to Oxbridge did you hummer?
>>>
>>> I did actually. Don't let it get to you.
>>
>>Nah! you didn't. You're not bright enough.
>
> Define "bright enough". You cannot.
> ... ... ...
>
> I suggest you read David W's post up the thread to you,
> he raises a number of valid points.
I felt I did.
> First Franklin pulled your strings to manipulate you (I warned you
> of that at the time), now other PWH cultists are doing it. You are
> being manipulated. If your usefulness expires, they'll drop you
> and REM/Ron May will try to find another sucker.
Just as they dumped Fitzsimons when his "challenging" past was uprooted.
> These are ego-driven dorks with IQs little bigger than the size of
> jackboots. Are you really that na�ve? Are you enjoying it?
> Your choice.
Jesus cleared the Temple of those who were abusing it. Jesus-John
attempts to throw you out with the same malice. Jesus-John needs to aim
his aggression at the ones who truly abuse him. The ones who will steal
his time, not, as he sees it, degrade his reputation on Usenet.
For whatever that is, a mirage, a falsehood, this Usenet
respect-reputation concept.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
David W
> All you PWH freaks see PWH and ACF as two terms for the same
> thing. They are not. Until you get that through your thick heads
> peace will not come to ACF. Pricelessware is an invader of ACF
> and needs to take its internal business to alt.comp.pricelessware
> where it belongs.
I've come to be in agreement with this. The PWH issue has clearly and
relentlessly overshadowed the purpose of Usenet freeware discussion. Of
this there is absolutely no doubt or argument.
The very fact that this absurd, circular and never-ending debate has not
moved to ACP is positive proof that the egos outweigh what they claim is
their good.
Good? Ha! They care less about any such good. They care only for the
power and the glory, both of which are fully materialized in their
small-mindedness, neither which exist in any sense of reality.
The collective wisdom of ACF could be herded into a thimble.
With room to spare.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
David W
> True.
>
>>But standing on top of a Usenet mountain and repeating the same phrases
>>to the point of absurdity is considerable destructive to the service you
>>wish to deploy.
>>
>>I would think by now you would realize that. Why you have not casts
>>serious dispersions on your own level-headedness.
>
> You have almost answered your own queries...
> Firstly, don't ignore that they have used very denigrative terms
> to describe us many times.
Don't expect that to change.
> Secondly, BB and myself always sought to use a suitable term
> to describe the PWH people and we used 'gang' 'groupies' etc.
> But the one label which is most accurate is 'cult', although not
> necessarily in a religious sense. Their behaviour has so much in
> common with a cult that it has stuck ...although we are aware
> that it annoys them, so we tend to use it only when things are
> getting angry.
Bottoms will start threads "PWH Cult" when there is little anger or
reason to do so. You argument holds no water for him. For you, I would
agree.
>As you know, JF appears to run his own private
> cult in his home town!!!
Gets paid to do so. A fool and his money.....
I have no doubts that John Fitzsimons was partially driven to volunteer
his expertise to put forward a better persona publicly. Webmaster, no
charge, the charitable one.
A bunch of mindless gnome's almost bought into it and if not for
constant vigilance, may (Ron May) still.
> I would be quite happy to describe them
> in political terms but that would get me accused of bringing
> politics into ACF...can't win...
My comment was that the term is overused to the point that it has been
somewhat muted. It's degree of accuracy is debatable but you're not so
far off any mark that it is worth the debate.
Get Bottoms to back off. It will only help in the long run.
I say this with favor to you as he is your friend. Not for one moment do
I wish him to bearpaw PWH, mind you, not for a moment would I support
that.
--
http://www.farkie.com/
David W
> 'David W' wrote thus:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:13:39 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>
>>> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:09:43 -0400, David W wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Congratulations, Jesus-John, see the admiration you commanded?
>>>>
>>>>Do you seriously believe I'm that naive or needy? You can't seem to get
>>>>that into *your* head.
>>>>
>>>>>> Then he reverted to his old habit of responding to trolls; it got so
>>>>>> bad that back in the bozzo bin he went - mine and, I suspect, *many*
>>>>>> others'. Yet, he can't see it, and took your attempts to help him to
>>>>>> see it, as a personal assault and a betrayal.
>>>>>
>>>>> John-less-Jesus, here lies the truth. You either dance their puppet
>>>>> strings or your a bozo on the outs.
>>>
>>>>Some of the *cult* do support what I have been trying to do.
>>>
>>> Really? I don't. The idea that PWH needs a bunch of people all
>>> acting as pseudo-webmasters is a complete nonsense. The ONLY
>>> reason it has come up is because the freaks in the shadows who
>>> control PWH have set their face against certain people being
>>> webmaster, whilst claiming that PWH is owned by ACF and ACF
>>> people take the decisions. What a joke.
>
>>As freakish as Susan Bugher is, she, Geena before, have taught the
>>necessity for centralized control.
>
> To me, it doesn't make sense for a small website (such as PWH
> was intended to be and still should be) to have multiple people
> coding the different pages. Different skill sets and styles will
> easily be visible.
That's not the end-all, it would still be readable. What I don't
understand is the fact that Bugher holds the keys and until she is
placated, she isn't going to give up squat. Why should she, she isn't
active on the site and can cybersit on it ad infinitum.
> JS is not daft and when he suggested that idea I immediately
> assumed it was in the knowledge that the dorks would eventually
> realise the problem. At that time he would be the obvious person
> to appoint as single webmaster and Bugher will have gone by then.
>
> Bingo!
>
> I may be right or I may be wrong. Time will tell.
>
> I have asked him several times, he has not denied it.
So you think Stubbings lies in wait, eh? That the Jesus in John is
actually Satanic John instead? Now that is an interesting twist.
I thought it was very questionable when he complained about the obvious
emailing/posturing going on behind the scenes. Come to his own
submission, he is a part of that very scheming.
>>> I believe your medium term plan was to become webmaster.
>>> Right?
>>
>>Hum, unfair and you know it, if anything John has been the champion of
>>divestiture.
>
> See above.
We will see.
>>>>*Some* have emailed me to say how funny they found
>>>>my "turn the argument back at hummingbird" stuff was.
>>>
>>> I can almost believe that. Doesn't it show others just how evil
>>> and nasty the PWH Freak Cult really is. Like I said earlier John,
>>> if you hang out with scum, you get the same label. You chose
>>> your bed, you have to lie in it.
>>
>>I can totally believe it. These are the same goons who have the time to
>>endlessly argue about Pricelessware and nary any time to post a drop on
>>freeware.
>
> REM only ever appears on this group to discuss Pricelessware. Many
> of the other PWH people only ever appear to participate in PWH
> activities.
Yes, that is true, self-serving participation.
>>Lost in all of this is the true purposes of ACF. Discussion of new and
>>existing freeware.
>>
>>And my friend, both you and John share in that disgrace. I would not
>>toot your horns to loudly about Cults and emailed support if I was
>>either of you.
>
> I think we are all guilty of it. Frankly, I virtually gave up
> researching freeware after being attacked so many times. I only
> post today if I come across summat of interest - but that is still
> more than many others: Franklin, Lew, REM, burnr, Bugher etc.
I refuse to do it. But I am not "of" this group either. I pay the price
for John Fitzsimons sins, there is no turning back that clock hand.
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David W
> 'David W' wrote thus:
>
> There is a common interest in freeware between both entities.
>
> But the attempts to eradicate the seperate identities and create
> an image of them being two sides of the same coin was absolutely
> wrong and lies at the heart of the wars.
> PWH is/was stuffed full of ACF information and Bugher often
> describes herself as "point person" for PWH and ACF.
>
> Bugher, strongly supported by her chief attack dog, Ron May,
> and a few other yapping puppies are responsible for all that.
This is history fairly summarized.
> Having created that situation, it led them to believe that they
> have a God-given right to use ACF floorspace to debate PWH
> internal affairs. Some of them actually appear to believe that,
> and rarely draw a distinction between the two entities, hence
> my view of them as a cult.
If anything, there are no rights in Usenet, God given or humanly
created. It is the last bastion of freedom of speech.
Being this said, it is the hypocritical nature of their quest which, as
truth is told, so dominates ACF that the discussion of freeware is not
pursued. It would be and is buried in a sea of PWH bullshit.
> It is not difficult to see how BB's arrival on ACF - with his
> own website - was seen as such a threat to PWH dominance
> and control of ACF. He was soon attacked with attempts to
> drive him away. I could see what was going on.
I have no disagreements that Bottoms upset a predisposed apple cart. On
purpose. His agenda isn't primarily the discussion of freeware either.
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Franklin
<news:h05ufn...@aracari.127.0.0.1>:
> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>"Goebbels"
>
>
> Yes yes Stubbings, we know he's your hero.
> You tell us e-v-e-r-y e-v-e-r-y day, about 10 times.
>
> Y-A-W-N.
>
>
>
>>> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>>
>>>>I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you
>>>>don't post against a couple of others I can think of.
>>>
>>>
>>> Stubbings, why don't you be done with it and post a new
>>> "do you love me" thread.
>>>
>>> That's what Bugher spent her time doing.
>>>
>>> That is what you want to hear. Right?
>
> Are you going to answer this question?
>
>>> Maybe they'll give you the webmaster job and drop Craig.
>>>
>>> That is what you want. Right.
>
> Are you going to answer this question?
>
>
>>You didn't go to Oxbridge did you hummer?
>
> I did actually. Don't let it get to you.
>
>>I mean, that was entry level.
>
> What was?
>
>>Or was that one of your 'extensive management experience'
>>techniques?
>
> I also have that, although I've never used that phrase.
> Was that one that you made up as you went along?
>
>>Bit of advice, use less words, construct them better.
>
> Construct words better? How does one do that? Do tell...
Hummingbird,
Why are you actually owed any answers by anyone?
Honestly, you're not owed any answer at all.
When you demand an answer and you don't get one then you throw a
childish tantrum. Grow up and learn the right expectation.
David W
> Frankly,
Remember the "Ari is Camper" discussion we had? Well, apparently it
caught the attention of the real Frank Camper. I received an email and a
copy of one of his books :)
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Franklin
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:06:26 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> Frankly,
>
> Remember the "Ari is Camper" discussion we had? Well, apparently it
> caught the attention of the real Frank Camper. I received an email
> and a copy of one of his books :)
So he didn't come round and snap your neck for hanging out with
Hummingbird who's been insulting him for the last 12 months?
Lucky.
David W
David W
Come to think it, he doesn't. He only knows Luke's old address,
pre-divorce :)
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John Stubbings
>>I have no disagreements that Bottoms upset a predisposed apple cart. On
>>purpose. His agenda isn't primarily the discussion of freeware either.
>
> I don't know if he has an agenda, save to run a good website and
> become known for it.
...and there is the crux of the problem. He decided to proclaim himself a
goddamn freeware expert at everything, and when he was challenged, instead
of slinking off with his tail between his legs like a normal person would,
he decides to start a war.
He was like a newbie walking into a sports bar and gobbing off about
something he knew very little about. WTF would happen in the real world.
Everyone would tell him to STFU.
Your version of history is just pitiful to read.
Franklin
> From: hummingbird <hummi...@127.0.0.1
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
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> Frankly, I virtually gave up researching freeware after being
> attacked [for trying to damage the group] so many times.
That's surely one for the quote book, Hummingbird.
Franklin
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:43:16 +0100, Franklin wrote:
>> On 3 Jun 2009 18:58, David W wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:06:26 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Remember the "Ari is Camper" discussion we had? Well, apparently
>>> it caught the attention of the real Frank Camper. I received an
>>> email and a copy of one of his books :)
>>
>> So he didn't come round and snap your neck for hanging out with
>> Hummingbird who's been insulting him for the last 12 months?
>>
>> Lucky.
>
> Well could yet :) he knows my very street address.
Perhaps Mr Camper send you a copy of "Mindbenders"?
Hummingbird's postings are not always helpful in these matters:
<http://www.nntpnews.net/f1008/re-frank-j-camper-says-how-suck-small-
cock-5937822/> OR <http://tinyurl.com/pr5tvn>
Franklin
> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>>>
>>>> You didn't go to Oxbridge did you hummer?
>>>
>>> I did actually. Don't let it get to you.
>>
>
> Define "bright enough". You cannot.
> ... ... ...
>
> I suggest you read David W's post up the thread to you,
> he raises a number of valid points.
>
> of that at the time),
Hummingbird, I don't pull anyone's strings. Everyone is capable of
deciding their own actions.
You often write you "must" attack ACF because you are somehow forced
to react to the unwelcome views and beliefs of other people. However,
your personal actions are *not* somebody else's responsibility.
You are responsible and accountable for what you do.
> now other PWH cultists are doing it. You are being manipulated. If
> your usefulness expires, they'll drop you and REM/Ron May will try
> to find another sucker. These are ego-driven dorks with IQs little
John Stubbings
> On 3 Jun 2009 15:52, hummingbird wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't go to Oxbridge did you hummer?
>>>>
>>>> I did actually. Don't let it get to you.
>>>
>>> Nah! you didn't. You're not bright enough.
>>
>> Define "bright enough". You cannot.
>> ... ... ...
>>
>> I suggest you read David W's post up the thread to you,
>> he raises a number of valid points.
>>
>> First Franklin pulled your strings to manipulate you (I warned you
>> of that at the time),
>
>
> Hummingbird, I don't pull anyone's strings. Everyone is capable of
> deciding their own actions.
It's just hummingbird rewriting history. I remember exactly what happened
when I uncloaked so to speak. He slimed up to me and tried to be my friend.
I remember we [you and I] had a few cross words, and actually you did very
little to win your case. A few others chipped in with their POV, but
hummingbird kept sliding up. He kept warning me at the time all right, on
and on.
But I made the decision on facts. Those were primarily that your posts at
the time were full of links that for the most part added up, and his one's
were as full of shit as they are today.
So in hummingspeak, standing back and letting the facts win your case, /is/
pulling my strings to manipulate me.
Sometimes I think he actually believes what he's saying.
> You often write you "must" attack ACF because you are somehow forced
> to react to the unwelcome views and beliefs of other people. However,
> your personal actions are *not* somebody else's responsibility.
>
> You are responsible and accountable for what you do.
>
>
>> now other PWH cultists are doing it. You are being manipulated. If
>> your usefulness expires, they'll drop you and REM/Ron May will try
>> to find another sucker. These are ego-driven dorks with IQs little
>> bigger than the size of jackboots. Are you really that naïve? Are
>> you enjoying it? Your choice.
Franklin
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:42:47 +0100, Franklin wrote:
>
>> On 3 Jun 2009 04:02, Larry Sabo wrote in alt.comp.freeware
>>
>>> REM <REMbr...@netscape.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>John Stubbings <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:05:14 -0500, REM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Whatcha think?
>>>>
>>>>> I'm nigh on speechless REM to be honest. I also wonder why you
>>>>> don't post against a couple of others I can think of.
>>>>
>>>> I do care about you here and in the PL process. I obviously don't
>>>> read any others that you might be talking about. As simply as
>>>> that.
>>>
>>> I had removed Stubbing from my kill-file after reading others'
>>> replies to his helpful PWH posts, thinking he is really trying to
>>> help us in preserving ACF/PWH. He obviously put a lot of thought
>>> into his comments and suggestions and progress seemed to be made.
>>>
>>> Then he reverted to his old habit of responding to trolls; it got
>>> so bad that back in the bozzo bin he went - mine and, I suspect,
>>> *many* others'. Yet, he can't see it, and took your attempts to
>>> help him to see it, as a personal assault and a betrayal.
>>>
>>> Until he sees that responding to trolls makes him as bad as the
>>> trolls, I suspect there is nothing further he can do to be helpful
>>> to ACF. It's simply not worth wading through his troll-bated posts
>>> to find the worthwhile bits. Sad, as he seemed to have a lot to
>>> offer.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>
>> Larry, I too could just as easily be accused of some of the things
>> you say to John Stubbings. I guess we all have our own way of
>> dealing with trolls and forgeries and your way differs from mine
>> and, presumably, John's way
>>
>> To be honest I doubt if you would keep say "ignore the trolls" when
>> the troll posts turn into malicious forgeries. I am thinking of
>> the three "This is John Stubbings" threads of course.
>
> They were and are a joke. So poorly done to call them forgeries is
> to give them credence that they were not so easily seen as what they
> were. Child's bullshit.
>
>> Those forgeries were designed to be malicious and harmful and were
>> probably made because John was too active in helping with the new
>> PLW arrangements. John also was active in rejecting Hummingbird's
>> lies about me.
>
> Whatever the reason, they were effective in jolting the Jesus out of
> John. For a moment.
>
>> On account of the fact that Hummingbird has long made false claims
>> about imaginary things I'm supposed to have done, then I prefer not
>> to leave such falsity unchallenged.
>
> That is the understatement of the day.
>
>> I suspect Hummingbird's fake allegations and destructive behavior
>> would be over more quickly if posters who saw his hypocrisy and his
>> agenda registered their protest actively rather than complain about
>> those who are affected and who wish to respond. YMMV.
>>
>> Franklin
>
> For the sake of argument, let's say I agree that hum is what you
> say.
>
> Then I would also say that it would (does) make no difference in his
> behaviour. That is as clear as fresh spring water.
>
> For whatever odd reason you have, and he has, to carry on these
> useless and endless Usenet turf wars, I cannot fathom.
The motives of the forger are unknown so it's academic to speculate
whether the forgeries were a bad joke or not.
They were also intended to be coercive. Admittedly, in a different way
to your flame campaign against Fitzsimonds and Stubbings.
Why bother to make such an effort to influence events if you don't
care about the succession of PWH or the future of ACF?
Franklin
> 'John Stubbings' wrote thus:
>
>>"YOU HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY TRIED"
>
> Indeed I have tried to improve ACF by holding the PWH Cult
> to account. But I'm afraid the same cannot be said of you.
>
> [similar garbage snipped out]
>
>
> Well, be my guest, go and gather. Meanwhile please refrain
> from making unfounded allegations. It just makes you look like
> the other lying slimeballs: Ron May and Franklin.
>
Hummingbird, surely it can't be necessary to insult all posters who don't
agree with you.
What do you expect to gain by fabricating falsehoods about these posters.
You still wont be able to counter their arguments.
Just calm down.
Please realize you're not owed an answer to anything but if you ask
politely then someone may explain things to you.
Franklin
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:26:05 +0100, Franklin wrote:
>>
>> Hummingbird, I don't pull anyone's strings. Everyone is capable of
>> deciding their own actions.
>
> It's just hummingbird rewriting history. I remember exactly what
> happened when I uncloaked so to speak. He slimed up to me and tried
> to be my friend. I remember we [you and I] had a few cross words,
> and actually you did very little to win your case. A few others
> chipped in with their POV, but hummingbird kept sliding up. He kept
> warning me at the time all right, on and on.
Now that you remind me I recall this.
He was, if I remember rightly, practically pawing you (ughhh!).
Perhaps that's the way chooses to proposition his gay chums and he
must think it works for normal people too!
Yes, I recall saying that Hummingbird needed a truly good kick
although you felt that it might a bit much. My training schedule has
lapsed lately. I need to resume it. You never know when a good kick
might come in useful.
> But I made the decision on facts. Those were primarily that your
> posts at the time were full of links that for the most part added
> up, and his one's were as full of shit as they are today.
>
> So in hummingspeak, standing back and letting the facts win your
> case, /is/ pulling my strings to manipulate me.
>
> Sometimes I think he actually believes what he's saying.
Hummingbird knows what he says is baloney but he thinks his baloney is
in a good cause, so that makes him think his baloney as almost true!
He also believe he has the right to hear of a "better" plan for PWH
than his own or else, he thinks, his plan MUST be adopted because it
is so good.
Why, oh why, can't he accept people have the right to make their own
choices, no matter how much he thinks they're mistaken.
David W
> Your information about Intertropical Convergence Zone is a
> characteristic cut and paste job. Why don't you ask your pilot friend
> and cocaine smuggler, Bear Bottoms, to provide one of his explanations
> and post it here?
Nonetheless, he is accurate, I would much enjoy the opportunity to
discuss aviation with another ex-Navy pilot, any chance Bottoms will
show his?
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John Stubbings
> Why, oh why, can't he accept people have the right to make their own
> choices, no matter how much he thinks they're mistaken.
That is one of the fundamental reasons I hate him. History is full of
bullies that have tried to stifle others creativity, and right to self
determination.
He doesn't have a clue about democracy and community. As soon as he see's
what he believes to be a socialist threat or whatever nutty notion is
triggered in that short circuited, tiny wrinkly walnut of a bird brain,
that doubles for his arsehole, he will stop at nothing to get his way.
David W
>>> To me, it doesn't make sense for a small website (such as PWH
>>> was intended to be and still should be) to have multiple people
>>> coding the different pages. Different skill sets and styles will
>>> easily be visible.
>
>>That's not the end-all, it would still be readable.
>
> True, but it does degrade the visible professionalism of a website
> if different pages have different styles. Exactly the same problem
> happens to programs (different style messages, layouts etc).
>
>>What I don't understand is the fact that Bugher holds the keys
>>and until she is placated, she isn't going to give up squat.
>>Why should she, she isn't active on the site and can cybersit
>>on it ad infinitum.
>
> I guess in theory she can. Perhaps that's why she is trying to
> exercise some control over the choice and role of her replacement:
> "Do as I say or else..."
>
> She has stated she'll give up control end June, I assume she will.
>
>>> JS is not daft and when he suggested that idea I immediately
>>> assumed it was in the knowledge that the dorks would eventually
>>> realise the problem. At that time he would be the obvious person
>>> to appoint as single webmaster and Bugher will have gone by then.
>>>
>>> Bingo!
>>>
>>> I may be right or I may be wrong. Time will tell.
>>>
>>> I have asked him several times, he has not denied it.
>
>>So you think Stubbings lies in wait, eh? That the Jesus in John is
>>actually Satanic John instead? Now that is an interesting twist.
>
> It was an obvious first thought to me, but I have no evidence of
> it being his plan. He could clarify it but hasn't done so.
Part of continued deviousness? He refuses to make claim to the Pooh
forgeries yet screams allegations of the same?
>>I thought it was very questionable when he complained about the obvious
>>emailing/posturing going on behind the scenes. Come to his own
>>submission, he is a part of that very scheming.
>
> There's obviously a lot of private e-mailing goes on between PWH
> people to discuss tactics etc. Small things consume the lives of
> pygmies!
Pygmies or giants, closed door position jockeying is hypocritical and
contraindicated.
>>I refuse to do it. But I am not "of" this group either. I pay the price
>>for John Fitzsimons sins, there is no turning back that clock hand.
>
> I saw that revelation as a public service!
>
> He has a long history of authoritarianism on this newsgroup and
> would be in his element as a website forum moderator, where he
> could manipulate people.
Public was well-served, private PWH club was not. David W. receives the
never-ending cold shoulder.
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David W
No a title called "The Winds Of Shamal" or something, I am printing it
now. Good that Little Luke has a carton of paper, it is double-spaced!
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David W
> 'David W' wrote thus:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:06:26 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> Frankly,
>>
>>Remember the "Ari is Camper" discussion we had? Well, apparently it
>>caught the attention of the real Frank Camper. I received an email and a
>>copy of one of his books :)
>
> I take it that he 100% definitely is not Ari?
Never the chance.
> Does the name John Q Public mean anything to you?
As a heneral term. Would you like a copy of the book?
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David W
> 'David W' wrote thus:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:20:46 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> 'David W' wrote thus:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:58:08 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All you PWH freaks see PWH and ACF as two terms for the same
>>>>> thing. They are not. Until you get that through your thick heads
>>>>> peace will not come to ACF. Pricelessware is an invader of ACF
>>>>> and needs to take its internal business to alt.comp.pricelessware
>>>>> where it belongs.
>>>>
>>>>Until PWH and ACF are finely and finally divided, PWH will be the death
>>>>of ACF.
>>>
>>> There is a common interest in freeware between both entities.
>>>
>>> But the attempts to eradicate the seperate identities and create
>>> an image of them being two sides of the same coin was absolutely
>>> wrong and lies at the heart of the wars.
>>> PWH is/was stuffed full of ACF information and Bugher often
>>> describes herself as "point person" for PWH and ACF.
>>>
>>> Bugher, strongly supported by her chief attack dog, Ron May,
>>> and a few other yapping puppies are responsible for all that.
>>
>>This is history fairly summarized.
>
> Sure, but Bugher was mainly responsible for trying to merge the
> two entities after her coup to oust Genna:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/521900774efb7511>
>
> despite considerable dissent in this thread:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_thread/thread/9b101b381fb4caa7/56a87321706a57f5?q=>
>
> Of course that's just one of very many threads which give lie to
> the oft made claims by some here that all the agro started on
> ACF when BB/Me/MH arrived. Franklin, Ron May and Stubbings
> have all tried that one on.
There are more liars than workers here.
>>> Having created that situation, it led them to believe that they
>>> have a God-given right to use ACF floorspace to debate PWH
>>> internal affairs. Some of them actually appear to believe that,
>>> and rarely draw a distinction between the two entities, hence
>>> my view of them as a cult.
>>
>>If anything, there are no rights in Usenet, God given or humanly
>>created. It is the last bastion of freedom of speech.
>
> True but there is Usenet etiquette.
>
>>Being this said, it is the hypocritical nature of their quest which, as
>>truth is told, so dominates ACF that the discussion of freeware is not
>>pursued. It would be and is buried in a sea of PWH bullshit.
>
> Quite so.
>
>>> It is not difficult to see how BB's arrival on ACF - with his
>>> own website - was seen as such a threat to PWH dominance
>>> and control of ACF. He was soon attacked with attempts to
>>> drive him away. I could see what was going on.
>>
>>I have no disagreements that Bottoms upset a predisposed apple cart. On
>>purpose. His agenda isn't primarily the discussion of freeware either.
>
> I don't know if he has an agenda, save to run a good website and
> become known for it.
Engaged in a share of Jesus-John na�vet�?
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