The Lies of Hummingbird
John Stubbings
Regarding the recent thread 'JOHN STUBBINGS joins Franklinslime and Ari
Silverslime in forging'
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/9e9d2bc008afd209#
I have been posting in alt.comp.freeware for at least twice as long as
Hummingbird.
Note same nym, same email address.
If anyone remembers any whiff of me ever being involved in forging then
speak up.
If you check my posts over 6+ years you will find I've used Outlook Express
and more recently Windows Mail [for about the last 2 years]. I'm hardly a
hacker, but Hummingbird knows his way around Usenet better than most, he
even uses his own news server, Hamster. Perhaps you should bear this in mind
when you consider the 'evidence'.
Hummingbird figured he could bluff his way about the headers, and it's taken
me a little while to figure this out.
So let's look at the accusations and the evidence.
From
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/3d7af2342e7e34de
> John, it might be helpful if I provided the evidence that gave me good
> reason to believe you had forged the posts in the name of ano poster on
> ukpm:
>
> 1.Motive:
<snip misinformation to create circumstantial 'evidence'> let's look at the
real evidence
> 2.the 6-8 forged posts all contained MIDs using your unique format like
> this: <gfh0ce$7p1$1...@news.eternal-september.org> You were obviously
> anxious to post them quickly and took little obfuscation action to hide
> yourself. tch tch.
There is nothing about these MIDs that is using my 'unique' format.
Anybody posting through motzarella at that time would have similar MIDs
HB knows this of course. It's a lie.
Want proof take a look at these 2 posts from yesterday
Message-ID: <gfkkjm$5nh$1...@news.motzarella.org>
Message-ID: <gfkhk6$5db$1...@news.motzarella.org>
> 3.the posts all contained other unique info from your posts. EG:
> X-Auth-Sender:
> U2FsdGVkX18+wWdkFA+avbY+x2vJYIxv79CB1rdHI7gLU8bpT51oubEW5ag4uT9v
These posts actually contain no 'unique' info from my posts.
From the four forged posts cited
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19tfPLARcpxAcLvcFEn/BFyxOmgkZzUL+BcvKX6kcYJNg==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19oy/iEK3BCd32WMDXMBip8uYvq3T7AoZ5hxBpRucIjNQ==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18w2AzKkkJSLiZqeaX2rXxKTXAyeMKz7ZfVJasPtHE4rg==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/zn5VDWAyQlTyplp6YBg4/eJ8Oc17y4kU+yUddBODOYA==
Note all four of these lines from the forged posts are 72 characters long
This line cited by Hummingbird is 80 characters
X-Auth-Sender:
U2FsdGVkX18+wWdkFA+avbY+x2vJYIxv79CB1rdHI7gLU8bpT51oubEW5ag4uT9v
All lines start with U2FsdGVkX, this is common for every Microsoft
newsreader used by millions of people, there is nothing 'unique' in the rest
of the lines.
But of course HB knows this. Another lie.
> ...and were all posted through Motzy, as yours are. tch tch.
> Ray Banana bans people for forging.
Yes he does, but a complaint has to be submitted by the person whose posts
were forged 'abelard'.
I asked 'abelard' to submit a complaint, but he declined.
See Message-ID: <gfftat$3j4$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
HB, BB, and surprise to me I must say Me.Here, are working to discredit and
disaffect anyone who gets in the way of their agenda.
They don't care, throw enough mud, and some will stick.
Hardly a senior poster is left anymore.
I wonder which one of you is next?
Sal Sola
news:pnnth4tdlirn6d7id...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:34:23 -0000, "John Stubbings"
> <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote, by way of
> <gfmfkl$4dj$1...@news.motzarella.org>, in alt.comp.freeware -->
>
> <....>
>
> Give it a BREAK, will ya'?
>
> This group is NOT where your petty little "War[s]" should be fought.
> People (regulars and not) are SICK and TIRED of the **** some 'people'
> (such as yourself) pull.
>
What's eating you my friend? I hope you are not a spoofer using a 1st rate
copy of the real MM to get a backlash.
John Stubbings has a good point. Hummingbird could be making a mistake
because other users have the same MID as the abelard posts. I don't
understand why it must be John.
Why do you think it is him?
hummingbird
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:23:19 -0000 'Sal Sola'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
I haven't read Stubbings's original post in this thread, so don't
know what he is claiming. But I never claimed that the forgeries
contained the same MID as abelard, as you allude to. Never. If
Stubbings is now claiming that I did, then he's lying.
In fact, the forgeries contained identical MID format as John
Stubbings. That was *one* of my reasons for alleging that he
had done them.
>I don't understand why it must be John.
Naturally, you trolls carefully avoid reality.
>Why do you think it is him?
Dear Mr datemas troll, I suggest you read this post of mine that
gave four good reasons why John Stubbings had forged the posts
of abelard. I know that little on Usenet is 100% certain but
those reasons look darned good to me, particularly due to the
sheer speed they appeared after he had his fragile ego bruised.
It's all explained here for those who want to read it:
Message-ID: <gfhc4...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
--Now, I'm outa this thread--
--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
Payton Byrd
> If you check my posts over 6+ years you will find I've used Outlook Express
> and more recently Windows Mail [for about the last 2 years]. I'm hardly a
> hacker, but Hummingbird knows his way around Usenet better than most, he
> even uses his own news server, Hamster. Perhaps you should bear this in mind
> when you consider the 'evidence'.
Add another one to the ACF "Usenet is reality" psycho-gruppe.
http://tinyurl.com/5hv4qw
--
They say your heroes reflect the quantity and fullness of your life. I
have three, hummingbird, Bear Botttoms
and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I
have no life <sigh>
John Stubbings
"hummingbird" <hummi...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:gfmqm6...@localhost.127.0.0.1...
You're not out of this thread at all. You just tried to spoil Sal's reply...
You haven't read my original post, that's a laugh.
The header's are there, my post exposes you for what you are, either the
master of disinformation, or a fool.
People are going to be asking which. You claimed the headers were 'unique'
when I have shown they are clearly not.
Donavan Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond
> I haven't read Stubbings's original post in this thread,
Duddits
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>You're not out of this thread at all. You just tried to spoil Sal's reply...
Please don't feed the troll
--
Salmon Day:
A Day in which you spend the entire day swimming upstream
only to get screwed and die in the end.
Ron May
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
> HB, BB, and surprise to me I must say Me.Here, are working to discredit and
> disaffect anyone who gets in the way of their agenda.
>
> They don't care, throw enough mud, and some will stick.
>
> Hardly a senior poster is left anymore.
>
> I wonder which one of you is next?
>
You worry far too much, John. Nobody gives that trio much (if any)
credibility. The best strategy is to ignore them (and Franklin and
Ari and various sock puppets) either by skipping over their posts,
using the delete key, or (what I do) automate the process with kill
filters. They can say whatever they care to about me and it doesn't
matter. Responding to the garbage is just a waste of time and effort.
--
Ron M. (I filter Googlespam)
Known sock puppets and forged messages are deleted unread.
alt.comp.freeware information pages:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Index.php
Franklin
<news:gfmqm6...@localhost.127.0.0.1>:
> Message-ID: <news:gfhc4...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>
> --Now, I'm outa this thread--
Hummingbird,
You are the biggest sockpuppet master in this group. Bar none.
You're a proven hypocrite and liar.
You are nothing but a k00k.
http://fravia.com/way_kook.htm
Once again you make unfounded allegations without a shred of evidence.
This time about John Stubbings rather than me.
You need a good, hard kicking. It's the only language you understand. I'd
be only too pleased to speak that language.
Now, go away.
Franklin
--
xposted
job...@hushmail.com
> On Sat 15 Nov08 15:43, hummingbird <hummingb...@127.0.0.1> wrote in
> <news:gfmqm6...@localhost.127.0.0.1>:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:23:19 -0000 'Sal Sola'
> > wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
> >>"Manatee Memories" <S...@the.REPLYTO.entry> wrote in message
> >>news:pnnth4tdlirn6d7id...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:34:23 -0000, "John Stubbings"
> >>> <gfmfkl$4d...@news.motzarella.org>, in alt.comp.freeware -->
Take it to email FFS.
Donavan Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond
> They can say whatever they care to about me and it doesn't
> matter.
You aren't worth any effort, Ron.
hummingbird
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:16:59 -0600 'Ron May'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:34:23 -0000, "John Stubbings"
><anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>> HB, BB, and surprise to me I must say Me.Here, are working to discredit and
>> disaffect anyone who gets in the way of their agenda.
>>
>> They don't care, throw enough mud, and some will stick.
>>
>> Hardly a senior poster is left anymore.
>>
>> I wonder which one of you is next?
>>
>
>You worry far too much, John. Nobody gives that trio much (if any)
>credibility. The best strategy is to ignore them (and Franklin and
>Ari and various sock puppets) either by skipping over their posts,
>using the delete key, or (what I do) automate the process with kill
>filters.
That's good advice Moron May, it's exactly what I do with all your
posts. For some odd reason this post of yours slipped thru <sigh>
Btw ...if you could arse yourself and take the trouble to read
that MID I provided, you might, just might, notice that it
contains *real* evidence of Stubbings having done the forging.
That is in direct contradiction to the allegations that *you*
spew out about other people forging.
Here it is again for the hard of reading:
Message-ID: <gfhc4...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
John Stubbings
>
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:16:59 -0600 'Ron May'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:34:23 -0000, "John Stubbings"
>><anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>> HB, BB, and surprise to me I must say Me.Here, are working to discredit
>>> and
>>> disaffect anyone who gets in the way of their agenda.
>>>
>>> They don't care, throw enough mud, and some will stick.
>>>
>>> Hardly a senior poster is left anymore.
>>>
>>> I wonder which one of you is next?
>>>
>>
>>You worry far too much, John. Nobody gives that trio much (if any)
>>credibility. The best strategy is to ignore them (and Franklin and
>>Ari and various sock puppets) either by skipping over their posts,
>>using the delete key, or (what I do) automate the process with kill
>>filters.
>
> That's good advice Moron May, it's exactly what I do with all your
> posts. For some odd reason this post of yours slipped thru <sigh>
>
> Btw ...if you could arse yourself and take the trouble to read
> that MID I provided, you might, just might, notice that it
> contains *real* evidence of Stubbings having done the forging.
> That is in direct contradiction to the allegations that *you*
> spew out about other people forging.
>
> Here it is again for the hard of reading:
> Message-ID: <gfhc4...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>
You're the moron, Hummingbird.
That's precisely the post I reference in
Message-ID: <gfmfkl$4dj$1...@news.motzarella.org>
HTH
John Stubbings
"Manatee Memories" <S...@the.REPLYTO.entry> wrote in message
>>
>>John Stubbings has a good point.
>
> Which I have neglected to read.
>
>> Hummingbird could be making a mistake
>>because other users have the same MID as the abelard posts. I don't
>>understand why it must be John.
>>
>>Why do you think it is him?
>
> Why is it, apparently, neccessary to travail this group with the
> contents of ones' (or however it's spelled) large intestine?
>
I don't know, that's what I'm trying to find out.
I'm sorry to have upset you, really. I have no fight with you.
But please consider for one moment this line.
MANATEE MEMORIES joins Franklinslime and Ari Silverslime in forging
I wouldn't have taken sides, if I hadn't read the post.
John
Jon°
> <news:gfmqm6...@localhost.127.0.0.1>:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:23:19 -0000 'Sal Sola'
> > wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
> >>"Manatee Memories" <S...@the.REPLYTO.entry> wrote in message
> >>news:pnnth4tdlirn6d7id...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:34:23 -0000, "John Stubbings"
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hummingbird used to be a great supporter of Chris X……..Chris X, as
many of you will remember, made out he was a great supporter of the
BNP………………….When in fact the posting-name of Chris X was a platform
used by a group of Muslims who were just taking the piss out of
Britain.
Therefore Hummingbird must be a Muslim trouble maker whose main aim is
to cause as much disturbance as he can, to all none Muslims.
Manatee Memories
How upsetting, now I understand. That is truly a terrible thing. March
on.
--
BREAKFAST.SYS halted. Cereal port not responding.
USER ERROR: replace user and press any key to continue.
SYSTEM ERROR: Keyboard not found. Press any key to continue.
Computer possessed? Try DEVICE=C:\EXOR.SYS
DOS Tip #17: Add DEVICE=FNGRCROS.SYS to CONFIG.SYS
Franklin
<news:g70uh4tgqh50arsut...@4ax.com>:
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:34:23 -0000, "John Stubbings"
> <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>> HB, BB, and surprise to me I must say Me.Here, are working to
>> discredit and disaffect anyone who gets in the way of their agenda.
>>
>> They don't care, throw enough mud, and some will stick.
>>
>> Hardly a senior poster is left anymore.
>>
>> I wonder which one of you is next?
>>
>
> You worry far too much, John. Nobody gives that trio much (if any)
> credibility. The best strategy is to ignore them (and Franklin and
> Ari and various sock puppets) either by skipping over their posts,
> using the delete key, or (what I do) automate the process with kill
> filters. They can say whatever they care to about me and it doesn't
> matter. Responding to the garbage is just a waste of time and
> effort.
>
Ron, you're not worth any effort and you aren't any effort.
hummingbird
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:28:08 -0800 (PST) 'Jon°'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
LOL. You never were too bright were you Jon°.
Allah Akbar. Death to infidels !!!!!!!!
John Stubbings
Gentlemen,
You may be interested in the truth. Am I being niave?
Message-ID: <gfmfkl$4dj$1...@news.motzarella.org>
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/b89e2cf1893743e7#
Hummingbird has been playing politics in our group for some time.
I would be interested in any speculation as to why.
Toodle loo.
hummingbird
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:34:23 -0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>If you check my posts over 6+ years you will find I've used Outlook Express
>and more recently Windows Mail [for about the last 2 years].
Oh dear oh dear ...it's time to stop lying John Stubbings
and come clean about the forgeries you posted in the name of
another person from another group after your ego was bruised.
Your woffling denials won't work with me.
You say above that you have only used *Outlook Express* and
now *Windows Mail* for six years.
But ..............wait for it .....................
here is a sample post made by YOU using *40tude* as recently
as 11th November 2008. Isn't that amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <o7kld3vg0agk.t...@40tude.net>
with this header in it:
<User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84>
Note:
1. All contain the same <From> field as you use:
> From: John Stubbings <anna.riceD...@virgin.net>
2. All were posted thru <Motzy> newsserver that you use:
> X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to ab...@motzarella.org with full headers
3. All contain the same <Organisation> header as you use:
> Organization: Furry Creatures Fan Club
4. All contain the same <Reply-To> header as you use:
> Reply-To: anna.riceD...@virgin.net
5. All contain this header:
> X-NewsProxy: 1.2.5
Game, set and match to me I believe.
When you gonna come clean John??? and stop lying???
I am also looking into whether you may be responsible for some
of the many other forgeries and socks/trolls recently posted using
40tude.
[rest of your woffle binned, it's intended only to distract
attention away from your forgeries, just like Franklin does
all the time: when caught always brew up a duststorm]
John Stubbings
>
<snip crap>
HB I made this post on the 10 Nov
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/5fc0353f9fa88ce9?hl=en
"Hi BeAr,
The bug-fix build you use, where do you get it from? "
Rom replied
"I'm not BeAr, but builds 2.0.15.41 (the one BeAr is using) and
2.0.15.84, including what's fixed and instructions are available from
the downloads section here <http://dialog.datalist.org>. "
I made one test post in alt.test under my nym, email address, Organisation,
etc and you call that evidence.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.test/msg/faae2380c0877c40
What was I trying to hide?
I was hoping to change my newsreader but that version crashes on Vista.
I'm now testing version 2.0.15.41 (the one BeAr is using) which seems
better.
I have also recently tested Forte agent and Xnews neither of which I got on
with.
Maybe you can find 'conclusive evidence' there as well.
Ron May
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
> You may be interested in the truth. Am I being niave?
You're not being naive, just overly concerned with a matter of little
consequence. Few people even read, let alone believe, Hummingbird's
rants. He's been caught red-handed more times than I can count at
pulling his sock puppetry and forging crap. The dead giveaway to his
"ownership" is when he issues a "non-denial denial" or attacks the
accuser without directly responding to the issue.
You made a declarative statement that the sock puppets were not yours.
That's good enough for me, since that's the approach I and most people
would take when falsely accused, and you haven't given me reason to
disbelieve you. Hummingbird, OTOH, generally responds along the lines
of "you can't prove it" which is NOT the type of response an innocent
person usually gives. On top of that, Hummingbird HAS given me and
others repeated reasons to doubt his veracity.
>
> Message-ID: <gfmfkl$4dj$1...@news.motzarella.org>
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_frm/thread/b89e2cf1893743e7#
>
> Hummingbird has been playing politics in our group for some time.
>
> I would be interested in any speculation as to why.
>
Because he finds an audience for his antics. Ignore him like many
others do here and the problem is solved.
Bjorn S.
(Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:59:59 -0000):
>I made one test post in alt.test under my nym, email address, Organisation,
>etc and you call that evidence.
Lovely John. Trying out new software and leaving traces of it.
Must be a member of an evil cult ;-).
--
All the best,
Bjorn S.
Bjorn S.
(Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:25:51 -0600):
>Because he finds an audience for his antics. Ignore him like many
>others do here and the problem is solved.
I'm not so sure. That some stand up to these folks from time to time
is good IMHO. Why? So that those arriving here without a
pre-configured killfile can sooner rather than later learn who to
ignore if they just want to read about freeware here and not get
sucked into someone's victimhood game, their ongoing historical
revisionism and quest for recognition and dominance.
John Stubbings
"Bjorn S." <bsus...@broadpark.no> wrote in message
news:fvh0i4p1hckvrgadc...@4ax.com...
:) Yeah, strange someone interested in freeware might want to try it out.
I've actually held off trying it out in full because of all the posts about
spoofers using it and recommendations to block :(
Seems now if I blow my nose, it's 'conclusive proof', and 'Game, set and
match' to HB.
I guess I'll just have to wait now and see what others crimes come out of
his spooky database.
John Stubbings
So what do we have then? Loads of posturing about John Stubbings making a
test post, followed by threats...
> I am also looking into whether you may be responsible for some
> of the many other forgeries and socks/trolls recently posted using
> 40tude.
... and no reply on the real evidence... the blatant lie's below... still
keep looking in that spooky database HB, in 6+ years of posting you must be
able to find something...
... everyone can see you're squirming now...
> 2.the 6-8 forged posts all contained MIDs using your unique format like
> this: <gfh0ce$7p1$1...@news.eternal-september.org> You were obviously
> anxious to post them quickly and took little obfuscation action to hide
> yourself. tch tch.
There is nothing about these MIDs that is using my 'unique' format.
Anybody posting through motzarella at that time would have similar MIDs
HB knows this of course. It's a lie.
Want proof take a look at these 2 posts from yesterday
Message-ID: <gfkkjm$5nh$1...@news.motzarella.org>
Message-ID: <gfkhk6$5db$1...@news.motzarella.org>
> 3.the posts all contained other unique info from your posts. EG:
> X-Auth-Sender:
> U2FsdGVkX18+wWdkFA+avbY+x2vJYIxv79CB1rdHI7gLU8bpT51oubEW5ag4uT9v
These posts actually contain no 'unique' info from my posts.
From the four forged posts cited
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19tfPLARcpxAcLvcFEn/BFyxOmgkZzUL+BcvKX6kcYJNg==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19oy/iEK3BCd32WMDXMBip8uYvq3T7AoZ5hxBpRucIjNQ==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18w2AzKkkJSLiZqeaX2rXxKTXAyeMKz7ZfVJasPtHE4rg==
X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/zn5VDWAyQlTyplp6YBg4/eJ8Oc17y4kU+yUddBODOYA==
Note all four of these lines from the forged posts are 72 characters long
This line cited by Hummingbird is 80 characters
X-Auth-Sender:
U2FsdGVkX18+wWdkFA+avbY+x2vJYIxv79CB1rdHI7gLU8bpT51oubEW5ag4uT9v
All lines start with U2FsdGVkX, this is common for every Microsoft
newsreader used by millions of people, there is nothing 'unique' in the rest
of the lines.
But of course HB knows this. Another lie.
> ...and were all posted through Motzy, as yours are. tch tch.
> Ray Banana bans people for forging.
Yes he does, but a complaint has to be submitted by the person whose posts
were forged 'abelard'.
I asked 'abelard' to submit a complaint, but he declined.
See Message-ID: <gfftat$3j4$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
hummingbird
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:27:05 +0100 'Bjorn S.'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
It shows him to be a liar, just as he denied forging.
Now, I suggest you read the other two posts wherein I provided
the evidence of his forgeries which is far stronger than anything
Moron May ever produces about anyone he makes allegations about.
OTOH if you're not interested, then be a good chap and piss off.
Ron May
wrote:
Actually, I agree completely with your reasoning. I just prefer a
slightly different approach. I don't see the original posts, but I do
see most replies. If I think it might be helpful to someone who might
be unfamiliar with the history, dynamics and relationships, I'll jump
in with a response, but for the most part, ignoring the troublemakers
works best for me and creates less background noise for the group.
It's a YMMV thing.
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
[40tude Dialog]
> I was hoping to change my newsreader but that version crashes on Vista.
Don't install it in the Programs folder under Vista. (Dialog wasn't
written UAC aware.) Everywhere else should be okay.
BeAr
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= What do you mean with: "Perfection is always an illusion"? =
===============================================================--(Oops!)===
John Stubbings
"B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson" <br.ed...@expires-2008-11-30.arcornews.de> wrote in
message news:1mqs3qo7x22lg$.dlg@br.ederson.news.arcor.de...
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:59:59 -0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
> [40tude Dialog]
>> I was hoping to change my newsreader but that version crashes on Vista.
>
> Don't install it in the Programs folder under Vista. (Dialog wasn't
> written UAC aware.) Everywhere else should be okay.
>
Hi 'BeAr',
Thanks,
I finally figured that out, but the 84 version still stalls and crashes.
The 41 version works fine so far off the d: drive. Big change for me from
Windows Mail, which is so simple. But times have changed, need to tool up.
I haven't posted yet, I think, actually I'm not sure. I'd better ask HB's
permission first :(
Really pissed off.
John Stubbings
>
Well come on then! In 6+ years of posting, surely you can drum up
something...
While you're waiting for that ol' 286 of yours to finish number crunching
the spooky database you have on all of us, everyone would really like you to
explain the 'uniqueness' of the forged posts that led you to accuse me
extremely quickly of being the perpetrator.
We have a system of law in the UK, punk. I set out my side of the argument
and you have failed to answer.
Or are you taking the fifth?
Donavan Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond
Join Corliss, HB, BB, Me.Here and a boat of others at the
psychotherapist's office. Topic: Telling the difference between Usenet
and reality.
John Stubbings
"Donavan Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond"
<chopofftheDO...@GMAIL.COMsmallletters> wrote in message
news:scbk5zkklhu5.1b...@40tude.net...
Point taken, you're immune of course...
hummingbird
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:25:51 -0600 'Ron May'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:23 -0000, "John Stubbings"
><anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>> You may be interested in the truth. Am I being niave?
>
>You're not being naive, just overly concerned with a matter of little
>consequence. [conspiracy rant snipped]
Uh oh. I see the Sturmabteilung is ranting again.
You wear your underpants waaaaaaaaay too tight MoRon May,
and I can hear your jackboots clicking from here.
Try reading the evidence before making silly comments next time.
You might just spot that it's far better than anything you have
ever produced against anyone.
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
[40tude Dialog]
>> Don't install it in the Programs folder under Vista. (Dialog wasn't
>> written UAC aware.) Everywhere else should be okay.
[...]
> I finally figured that out, but the 84 version still stalls and crashes.
>
> The 41 version works fine so far off the d: drive.
I don't recommend .84, because it uses another memory manager, which
isn't as reliable and tested as the former one. It might have worked
out better in the long run, but since the development has stalled, it
is better to stick with the .41 version of Dialog.
John Stubbings
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:56:31 +0100, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:34:48 -0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
> [40tude Dialog]
>>> Don't install it in the Programs folder under Vista. (Dialog wasn't
>>> written UAC aware.) Everywhere else should be okay.
> [...]
>> I finally figured that out, but the 84 version still stalls and crashes.
>>
>> The 41 version works fine so far off the d: drive.
>
> I don't recommend .84, because it uses another memory manager, which
> isn't as reliable and tested as the former one. It might have worked
> out better in the long run, but since the development has stalled, it
> is better to stick with the .41 version of Dialog.
>
OK, I've gone for it :)
I don't understand why this product has stalled development. I like it so
far much better than Forte Agent, I don't know why, on the face of it they
seem quite similar, and as for Xnews... Bizarre
Thanks 'BeAr' I always enjoy your contributions.
job...@hushmail.com
You can't even spell naive!
John Stubbings
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:25:51 -0600, Ron May wrote:
> Because he finds an audience for his antics. Ignore him like many
> others do here and the problem is solved.
Problem isn't solved Ron, but anyway I've spent enough time on this. I've
got tooled up with 40tude and my Newsproxy filters are going back on for a
while. See you on the other side of my killfiles.
John
Ariadne
Naïf!
Donavan Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond
I'm immune from giving a shit if someone wants to call me a forger, use
my nym or otherwise involve me in Usenet bullshit, yep, completely
immune to that.
Here's how. Page down.
It's Usenet.
Not real.
Franklin
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote in
<news:gfpskr$454$1...@news.motzarella.org>:
If it's any consolation, almost no one at all takes Hummingbird's
allegations seriously. Not even Mr Bottoms.
John Stubbings
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:08:46 GMT, Franklin wrote:
> Path: news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!news.glorb.com!news-out.octanews.net!indigo.octanews.net!auth.beige.octanews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
> Subject: Re: The Lies of Hummingbird
> From: Franklin <see_REPLY-TO_header>
> References: <gfmfkl$4dj$1...@news.motzarella.org> <gfpdq...@localhost.127.0.0.1> <gfpg25$vlb$1...@news.motzarella.org> <1mqs3qo7x22lg$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de> <gfpskr$454$1...@news.motzarella.org>
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:08:46 GMT
> Organization: www.octanews.com
> Message-ID: <Xns9B58EB74...@news-1.octanews.net>
> User-Agent: Xnews/2006.08.24
> Reply-To: email.franklin...@yahoo.com.sg
> Lines: 36
> NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Nov 2008 18:08:51 CST
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@octanews.net
> Xref: news.motzarella.org alt.comp.freeware:30641255
No worries, just got frustrated for a second there. I'm sure you enjoyed
seeing HB getting a bit of stick, the lying little toe rag. Really time
consuming though, I don't know how you keep it up.
Anyway I need to get some work done now. There's no profit in this really.
Going to try and block the shit [BB,HB,Me.Here] out for a while.
Keep in touch...
John Stubbings
Technical stuff a bit above you then?
Don't you worry your pretty little head about it luv..
You just keep putting lippy on your wrinkled walnut. After all HB's been
fucking you up the arse for so long now...
Payton Byrd
>> I'm not so sure. That some stand up to these folks from time to time
>> is good IMHO. Why? So that those arriving here without a
>> pre-configured killfile can sooner rather than later learn who to
>> ignore if they just want to read about freeware here and not get
>> sucked into someone's victimhood game, their ongoing historical
>> revisionism and quest for recognition and dominance.
>
> Actually, I agree completely with your reasoning. I just prefer a
> slightly different approach. I don't see the original posts, but I do
> see most replies.
Which makes the use of killfiles the playground of the ego-Usenet
freako.
"See Me. (Here), see who I have killfiled! See Me? Anyone? Aren't I a
Big Boy? anyone?
--
They say your heroes reflect the quantity and fullness of your life. I
have three, hummingbird, Bear Botttoms
and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I
have no life <sigh>
job...@hushmail.com
wrote:
HB is my sockpuppet, as is abelard.
John Stubbings
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:52:27 +1100, Rom wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:34:48 -0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
>> "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson" <br.ed...@expires-2008-11-30.arcornews.de> wrote in
>> message news:1mqs3qo7x22lg$.dlg@br.ederson.news.arcor.de...
>>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:59:59 -0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>>>
>>> [40tude Dialog]
>>>> I was hoping to change my newsreader but that version crashes on Vista.
>>>
>>> Don't install it in the Programs folder under Vista. (Dialog wasn't
>>> written UAC aware.) Everywhere else should be okay.
>>>
>> I finally figured that out,
>
> That's good, and sorry I didn't mention it when you asked about where
> to download the updated Dialog builds from.
>
> Just for info seeing I've been running Dialog on Vista (32/64-bit) for
> over 18 months now - a non-Program Files location is preferable and
> what I'd recommend, but Dialog can run okay installed to Program Files
> on Vista *if* on the last screen of setup "Launch 40tude Dialog" is
> UNchecked so it's not run the first time from the installer, and
> Dialog is run manually for the first time. Then Vista's virtualisation
> kicks in and redirects data to the user's VirtualStore.
Ah! good tip, I wondered why it didn't virtualise. I'll remember this for
other programs.
>
> The installer can be used in Vista if you want Dialog set as the
> default news and/or mail client, or run to reinstall over the top of
> itself after Dialog is moved from, say, an old computer to a new one,
> otherwise can extract 2.0.15.1, update to 2.0.15.41/84 and run as a no
> install.
>
>> but the 84 version still stalls and crashes.
>
> I've run the 41 build more than the 84 build this year, have switched
> back and forth now and again for comparison, and apart from 84 using
> more memory I don't notice that much of a difference. Both run okay on
> Vista 64-bit here and a crash would be a rare thing, whereas 2.0.15.1
> crashed occasionally on Win2k, XP and Vista.
Thanks for the tips. I'm running on Vista Business x86.
I should explain my set up at the moment which may explain crashing.
Anyway my ISP <spit> started traffic shaping both ports 119 and 563 so I
moved to Motz because they offer a feed on 443 and that gets around the
problem.
At the moment I'm using a chain to connect. Dialog > Newsproxy > Stunnel >
Motz because I wanted to use my Newsproxy filters.
I'm not saying that's definately the reason, but 84 is just unusable at
present for me. Not that I know what the advantages of running 84 are.
I have much to learn on 41 at present.
Thanks for your help. I'll look at those filters.
hummingbird
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:27:04 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
[post of killfiled poster downloaded to respond to abuse]
>No worries, just got frustrated for a second there. I'm sure you enjoyed
>seeing HB getting a bit of stick, the lying little toe rag. Really time
>consuming though, I don't know how you keep it up.
In your tiny mind.
>Anyway I need to get some work done now. There's no profit in this really.
>Going to try and block the shit [BB,HB,Me.Here] out for a while.
Sure, that will leave you free to read the endless lies and slime
posted by your new friend Franklin, who has less credibility on
Usenet than any other person I've ever encountered. Try reading
his latest threads of slime against Mister Charlie, in which he
makes many allegations but produces zero evidence. Ron May does
the exact same thing. You are now doing the same thing.
You are obviously anxious to become another slimeball...what with
your own forging and now your use of 40tude.
I am happy to restate that *you* did forge the posts I previously
listed, according to the evidence I posted. You have not produced
one piece of counter evidence, just a lot of noise.
Who do you think you're fooling John Stubbings?
>Keep in touch [Franklin]...
Indeed. That says it all. My bozo bin is the right place for
you John. I'll even seat you next to Franklin :-)
...now, it's back to the bozo bin for you.
Norom@hotmail.com Yam Norom
'hummingbird' wrote:
>On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:25:51 -0600 'Ron May'
>wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:23 -0000, "John Stubbings"
>><anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You may be interested in the truth. Am I being niave?
>>
>>You're not being naive, just overly concerned with a matter of little
>>consequence. [conspiracy rant snipped]
>
>Uh oh. I see the Sturmabteilung is ranting again.
>
>You wear your underpants waaaaaaaaay too tight MoRon May,
>and I can hear your jackboots clicking from here.
>
>Try reading the evidence before making silly comments next time.
>You might just spot that it's far better than anything you have
>ever produced against anyone.
you can say that again .Ron May is an lying asshole .
John Stubbings
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:50:51 +1100, Rom wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:54:50 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
> [...]
>> Thanks for the tips. I'm running on Vista Business x86.
>
> Vista Business and Ultimate have the best features.
>
>> I should explain my set up at the moment which may explain crashing.
>>
>> Anyway my ISP <spit> started traffic shaping both ports 119 and 563 so I
>> moved to Motz because they offer a feed on 443 and that gets around the
>> problem.
>
> Many ISPs here have plans that are shaped when the monthly quota is
> exceeded, e.g. a broadband (various speeds for cable or ADSL) plan
> with a 20GB monthly download limit may be shaped to or near dial-up
> speeds when the quota is used.
>
>> At the moment I'm using a chain to connect. Dialog > Newsproxy > Stunnel >
>> Motz because I wanted to use my Newsproxy filters.
>
> You could try taking Stunnel out of the chain now as Dialog supports
> SSL and the port can be changed for a server via the Settings menu
> from within Dialog, and still use NewsProxy (after any needed changes)
> or for the time being.
I don't think that works Rom. Newsproxy can't proxy the ssl connection as
far as I can tell.
>> I'm not saying that's definately the reason, but 84 is just unusable at
>> present for me. Not that I know what the advantages of running 84 are.
>>
>> I have much to learn on 41 at present.
>>
>> Thanks for your help. I'll look at those filters.
>
> If you need any further help with Dialog or filters the
> news.software.readers group is where I'd suggest reading and posting.
Thanks, just added it.
Payton Byrd
> Dialog is a good choice for you, with features such as
> SSL and good filtering built in,
Dialog's filtering is imperfect...at best.