1993 Video With Tony Zoppi, Ike Pappas, & Other Journalists

David Von Pein

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Feb 1, 2010, 10:02:08 AM2/1/10

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http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/52566-1

For anybody who thinks Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald as part of a
pre-arranged conspiratorial plot (which would encompass almost all
conspiracy theorists worldwide), the video linked above is certainly
worth watching.

This C-Span video includes a panel of journalists who assembled at
Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, for a day-long
commemorative seminar on November 20, 1993, to observe the 30th
anniversary of JFK's assassination.

The moderator of this particular panel is Tony Zoppi, who was Jack
Ruby's friend since 1951. It's fascinating to hear Zoppi explain his
relationship with Ruby, and particularly the part about Ruby's trip to
Havana, Cuba, in late 1958, which many conspiracy theorists seem to
think was conspiratorial in some fashion.

Other journalists featured in this video include Bob Jackson, Wes
Wise, Ike Pappas, and Hugh Aynesworth.

The segment with Ike Pappas is another very good part of this 1993
program, as he vividly and energetically recounts the role he played
during the unforgettable weekend of President Kennedy's death. Pappas
died fairly recently, on August 31, 2008.

I hadn't realized until today that a portion of Pappas' remarkable
live coverage of the murder of Oswald was (according to Pappas
himself) actually recorded after Ike had departed the DPD basement.
The tape was then edited and pieced together at a later time. (It
reminds me of the KBOX-Radio re-creation, which is a recording that
for decades had me fooled into thinking it was done "live" on
11/22/63.)

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ADDITIONAL SEGMENTS OF THE LENGTHY 11/20/93 S.M.U. PROGRAM CAN BE
FOUND HERE:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/search-results.php?keywords=Journalists+Remember+JFK+Assassination

=================================

Anthony Marsh

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Feb 1, 2010, 8:49:58 PM2/1/10

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On 2/1/2010 10:02 AM, David Von Pein wrote:
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> http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/52566-1
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>

Nice find. I have referenced that conference several times. It has lots of
interesting little details.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/52528-1

Mary Woodward at 3:30 says she originally reported that the shots came
from behind her and to the right. BTW, that was in her original story and
then the newspaper took that out in subsequent editions.

> For anybody who thinks Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald as part of a
> pre-arranged conspiratorial plot (which would encompass almost all
> conspiracy theorists worldwide), the video linked above is certainly
> worth watching.
>
> This C-Span video includes a panel of journalists who assembled at
> Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, for a day-long
> commemorative seminar on November 20, 1993, to observe the 30th
> anniversary of JFK's assassination.
>
> The moderator of this particular panel is Tony Zoppi, who was Jack
> Ruby's friend since 1951. It's fascinating to hear Zoppi explain his
> relationship with Ruby, and particularly the part about Ruby's trip to
> Havana, Cuba, in late 1958, which many conspiracy theorists seem to
> think was conspiratorial in some fashion.
>

It's fascinating to learn about Zoppi's relationship with organized crime.

> Other journalists featured in this video include Bob Jackson, Wes
> Wise, Ike Pappas, and Hugh Aynesworth.
>
> The segment with Ike Pappas is another very good part of this 1993
> program, as he vividly and energetically recounts the role he played
> during the unforgettable weekend of President Kennedy's death. Pappas
> died fairly recently, on August 31, 2008.
>
> I hadn't realized until today that a portion of Pappas' remarkable
> live coverage of the murder of Oswald was (according to Pappas
> himself) actually recorded after Ike had departed the DPD basement.
> The tape was then edited and pieced together at a later time. (It
> reminds me of the KBOX-Radio re-creation, which is a recording that
> for decades had me fooled into thinking it was done "live" on
> 11/22/63.)
>

The "Darwin" referred to is Darwin Payne who organized the symposium.
Make sure that you listen carefully to his explaining the poll they took
of the reporters about whether they think it was a conspiracy or a lone
nut. He seems confused by the fact that almost everyone checked off lone
nut and THEN checked off who was responsible for the conspiracy.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/52567-1

Here is the breakdown he reported:
Did Oswald act alone? Yes - 75, No - 6
Was Oswald involved in a conspiracy? Yes - 9, No - 72

If you believe that there was a conspiracy, who was involved?
Mafia - 32
Cuba - 14
US intelligence agencies - 42
DPD - 5

So, the results of their survey were very similar to what I posted as
representing what most polls of the American public believe. And as I
pointed out, if you ask most journalists and CIA employees, about 99% of
them will publicly state that they think that Oswald was a lone nut, as
close as your 32 to 1 result from Aynesworth could get. I think we can
dismiss the one dissenter as not having turned up his hearing aid high
enough to hear the question. It should have been 33 to nothing. I would
not rely on Aynesworth for anything.

But if you talked to those same people privately, about half of them would
tell you that they suspect that there was a conspiracy and most likely
Castro and/or the KGB were behind it. The Journalists Remember Symposium
just confirms everything that I said. Darwin Payne was confused by the
results of the survey. Just as you are confused. But some of us get it.

François Carlier

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Feb 2, 2010, 11:23:56 AM2/2/10

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Dear David,

"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:99481b76-8afc-456f...@n33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

>
>
> http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/52566-1
>
>
> For anybody who thinks Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald as part of a
> pre-arranged conspiratorial plot (which would encompass almost all
> conspiracy theorists worldwide), the video linked above is certainly
> worth watching.

==> Thank you very much. It is indeed a very interesting documentary to
watch. I had never seen it.

>
> This C-Span video includes a panel of journalists who assembled at
> Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, for a day-long
> commemorative seminar on November 20, 1993, to observe the 30th
> anniversary of JFK's assassination.
>
> The moderator of this particular panel is Tony Zoppi, who was Jack
> Ruby's friend since 1951. It's fascinating to hear Zoppi explain his
> relationship with Ruby, and particularly the part about Ruby's trip to
> Havana, Cuba, in late 1958, which many conspiracy theorists seem to
> think was conspiratorial in some fashion.
>
> Other journalists featured in this video include Bob Jackson, Wes
> Wise, Ike Pappas, and Hugh Aynesworth.
>
> The segment with Ike Pappas is another very good part of this 1993
> program, as he vividly and energetically recounts the role he played
> during the unforgettable weekend of President Kennedy's death. Pappas
> died fairly recently, on August 31, 2008.
>
> I hadn't realized until today that a portion of Pappas' remarkable
> live coverage of the murder of Oswald was (according to Pappas
> himself) actually recorded after Ike had departed the DPD basement.
> The tape was then edited and pieced together at a later time. (It
> reminds me of the KBOX-Radio re-creation, which is a recording that
> for decades had me fooled into thinking it was done "live" on
> 11/22/63.)

==> Could you please elaborate on that ? Too little has been said on that
subject, in my opinion. I'm not sure I understand well. Could you please
explain in detail what exctly was recorded and when and how. And also where
was the journalist at the very moment of the ction. These questions apply
for both cases (Ike Papas and Ruby, and also the KBOX-Radio recreation).
Thanks in advance.

/François Carlier/

David Von Pein

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Feb 2, 2010, 11:24:56 AM2/2/10

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http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/52521-1

ADDENDUM:

Another enlightening and interesting part of the above-linked segment
of the 1993 "Reporters Remember 11-22-63" conference/seminar is the
part where Gary DeLaune of Dallas radio station KLIF talks about how
he didn't think it was unusual for Jack Ruby to have simply walked
down the Main Street ramp leading into the City Hall basement on
11/24/63 just before Lee Oswald was shot, because DeLaune says that he
HIMSELF walked down that very same ramp shortly before Ruby killed
Oswald.

Given the sum total of all the witness statements connected with the
important subject of "The Main Street Ramp", Gary DeLaune's statement
about how he himself walked down that same ramp shortly before Oswald
was shot must be taken with a grain of salt, of course. But DeLaune
did make such a statement nevertheless.

Here's the KLIF-Radio audio from November 24th, 1963, which includes
an extremely out-of-breath Gary DeLaune telling the radio audience
about what he had just witnessed in the basement of the Dallas Police
Department a few minutes earlier. DeLaune sounds as if he is on the
verge of collapse in this remarkable clip. He is so out of breath, he
can barely speak:

http://www.Box.net/shared/x9x2krs8o8

=======================================

David Von Pein

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Feb 2, 2010, 1:05:18 PM2/2/10

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ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

>>> "Make sure that you listen carefully to [Darwin Payne] explaining the

poll they took of the reporters about whether they think it was a
conspiracy or a lone nut. He seems confused by the fact that almost
everyone checked off lone nut and THEN checked off who was responsible for

the conspiracy. Here is the breakdown he reported: Did Oswald act alone?:
Yes--75, No--6. .... Was Oswald involved in a conspiracy?: Yes--9, No--72.
.... If you believe that there was a conspiracy, who was involved? [TONY
MARSH DOESN'T HAVE THE QUESTION WORDED CORRECTLY HERE; SEE MY REPLY
BELOW]: Mafia--32; Cuba--14; US intelligence agencies--42; DPD--5. ....

Darwin Payne was confused by the results of the survey. Just as you are
confused. But some of us get it." <<<

DVP SAID:

Darwin Payne wasn't confused. Apparently the 81 people who responded
to that poll were confused though, because the last question
(according to Payne) was worded like this:

"IF YOU ANSWERED YES TO #2 [about there being a conspiracy], WHO
WAS INVOLVED?"

Therefore, since only NINE people answered "Yes" to there being a
conspiracy, there should have been only NINE people answering that
last question about "who was involved?". Instead, there were 93
answers. Doesn't make sense at all.

And even taking into account the possibility that all 9 people who
voted "Yes" to the #2 question wrote down multiple agencies being
involved as co-conspirators, it still doesn't add up at all. Because
how can "9" suddenly balloon to "93" for the last question?

Amazingly, per those poll results, only 9 people said "Yes" to the
second question about a conspiracy, but 42 of those 9 said they think
U.S. intelligence agencies were part of a plot to kill JFK.

~big ol' shrug~

The confusion regarding the SMU poll can be seen and heard near the
end of this video (at 59:00):

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/52567-1

David Von Pein

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Feb 2, 2010, 1:06:19 PM2/2/10

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>>> "So, the results of their [1993] survey were very similar to what I

posted as representing what most polls of the American public believe. And
as I pointed out, if you ask most journalists and CIA employees, about 99%

of them will publicly state that they think that Oswald was a lone nut.
.... But if you talked to those same people privately, about half of them

would tell you that they suspect that there was a conspiracy and most
likely Castro and/or the KGB were behind it. The Journalists Remember
Symposium just confirms everything that I said. Darwin Payne was confused
by the results of the survey. Just as you are confused. But some of us get
it." <<<

LOL.

So, Tony, what you seem to be saying here is that most of the people who
said there was no conspiracy in that 1993 SMU poll were actually telling a
lie. But then, just SECONDS LATER, when those same people were asked
(WITHIN THE VERY SAME POLL!) to write down who they think was involved in
a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy, those same people who told the
falsehood about there being no conspiracy now have no qualms at all about
telling their TRUE thoughts about who was involved?

Is that about the size of the situation, Anthony? That sure seems to be
what you have implied above.

I guess those 70+ people who voted for "Oswald acting alone" somehow
completely forgot that they were supposed to keep up an "LN" facade when
they were asked the next "who was involved?" question, huh?

Were all 70+ of them totally senile, in that they told a lie in one or two
of the questions, and then turned around and told the pollsters their true
inner feelings in the very next question?

~LOL Replay~

David Von Pein

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Feb 2, 2010, 4:16:50 PM2/2/10

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>>> "Could you please elaborate on that? Too little has been said on that

subject, in my opinion. I'm not sure I understand well. Could you please

explain in detail what exactly was recorded and when and how. And also
where was the journalist at the very moment of the action. These questions
apply for both cases (Ike Pappas and Ruby, and also the KBOX-Radio
recreation). Thanks in advance." <<<

Hi Francois,

As far as Ike Pappas' WNEW-Radio recording of Oswald's murder, I know
nothing more than what Pappas himself said in the 1993 SMU conference
video, which has Pappas talking about how his "holy mackerel" comment was
not uttered until sometime after he had departed the DPD basement. I think
Pappas said he was on a stairway somewhere in City Hall when he said "Holy
mackerel" and the comments that surrounded those words.

Actually, Pappas said the words "holy mackerel" twice on his famous
11/24/63 tape recording. He says it once very shortly after Ruby shot
Oswald (or at least I always thought that was done "live" at that time,
but apparently, per Mr. Pappas in '93, it was recorded a little while
later)....and the recording ends with Pappas saying "holy mackerel" again.
Those are the very last words on the 5-minute version of the recording
that I currently possess (which can be heard at the link below):

http://www.Box.net/shared/9hwuvpkows

Pappas was sort of making fun of himself at the 1993 Dallas journalists
conference due to the fact he shouted "Oswald has been shot!" immediately
after Ruby plugged Lee Harvey (or "Lee Harold", according to Bob Huffaker;
more on Huffaker later in this post). ~wink~

But, in my opinion, Pappas' "Oswald has been shot!" verbiage was perfect.
But Ike seems to think he should have come up with something more elegant
or eloquent at that moment. I disagree. Pappas said just the right thing.
And when you think about for a minute, what the heck ELSE was Ike supposed
to say to convey what had just occurred before his very eyes?

After not getting an answer from Oswald following the question that Pappas
yelled at Oswald ("Do you have anything to say in your defense?", which
were probably the last words Oswald ever heard in his life)....should
Pappas have said into his tape recorder: "I wonder why Oswald didn't
answer me? There's not much else going on here that I can see."?

(LOL.)

I regard Ike Pappas' live coverage of Ruby shooting Oswald as one of the
finest off-the-cuff "spot reports" in history. It's right up there with
Andrew West's live radio coverage of Robert F. Kennedy's assassination in
Los Angeles in 1968. You can hear West's recording at this link:

http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/11/rfk-assassination.html

----------------------

RE: THE KBOX RE-CREATION......

Getting back to KRLD's Bob Huffaker again -- In May of 2006, I had a
few e-mail conversations with Mr. Huffaker regarding the events in
Dallas in November 1963, and the topic of the KBOX-Radio coverage came
up.

Bob told me at that time in 2006 that he was pretty certain that
virtually all of the famous (and seemingly-"live") audio footage from
KBOX on 11/22/63 was actually recorded in a studio sometime later that
day (or possibly a day or two after the assassination, I can't
remember which it was now).

Unfortunately, I no longer have access to those 2006 e-mails, due to a
crash of my computer's hard drive on January 31, 2007, which wiped out
my e-mail's filing cabinet (much to my dismay).

But I definitely recall Mr. Huffaker telling me that it was his belief
that most (or all) of the famous KBOX audio coverage by Sam Pate and
Ron Jenkins that we hear today was not put on the air live on November
22, 1963.

Via the website linked below, which contains a lot of information
about KBOX's history, it would seem as though KBOX did indeed
broadcast some bulletins live from Dealey Plaza and Stemmons Freeway
on 11/22/63, although Bob Huffaker seems to think otherwise, according
to the things he told me in 2006.

But even this KBOX webpage seems to be a little confused about what
was broadcast live and what was recorded in a studio at a later time:

http://www.knus99.com/kbox1480pt2.html

==============================

Anthony Marsh

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Feb 2, 2010, 4:18:59 PM2/2/10

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On 2/2/2010 1:06 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
>
>>>> "So, the results of their [1993] survey were very similar to what I
> posted as representing what most polls of the American public believe. And
> as I pointed out, if you ask most journalists and CIA employees, about 99%
> of them will publicly state that they think that Oswald was a lone nut.
> .... But if you talked to those same people privately, about half of them
> would tell you that they suspect that there was a conspiracy and most
> likely Castro and/or the KGB were behind it. The Journalists Remember
> Symposium just confirms everything that I said. Darwin Payne was confused
> by the results of the survey. Just as you are confused. But some of us get
> it."<<<
>
> LOL.
>
> So, Tony, what you seem to be saying here is that most of the people who
> said there was no conspiracy in that 1993 SMU poll were actually telling a
> lie. But then, just SECONDS LATER, when those same people were asked

Oh heavens no. I would never suggest that WC defenders lie!

> (WITHIN THE VERY SAME POLL!) to write down who they think was involved in
> a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy, those same people who told the
> falsehood about there being no conspiracy now have no qualms at all about
> telling their TRUE thoughts about who was involved?
>

No, like you and McAdams they are terminally confused. They think
conspiracy must mean a battery of shooters. So like you and McAdams they
are sure that Oswald was the only shooter, but secretly they believe he
was doing it on behalf of others. What do you think the difference between
the votes for lone shooter and conspiracy means? Only a small difference,
but it is a clue that they are confused about the difference between
Oswald acting alone and others being behind him.

> Is that about the size of the situation, Anthony? That sure seems to be
> what you have implied above.
>
> I guess those 70+ people who voted for "Oswald acting alone" somehow
> completely forgot that they were supposed to keep up an "LN" facade when
> they were asked the next "who was involved?" question, huh?
>

Like you and McAdams, terminally confused.

> Were all 70+ of them totally senile, in that they told a lie in one or two
> of the questions, and then turned around and told the pollsters their true
> inner feelings in the very next question?
>

I like your thinking. Just look at some of them giving their
presentations. Like Mary Woodward THINKING the shots came from the grassy
knoll, but corrected by her editor that the sole shooter was in the TSBD,
so now she agrees with the WC. Gee, I wonder what was the "little bit of
trouble" she got into.

> ~LOL Replay~
>

Anthony Marsh

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Feb 2, 2010, 4:19:44 PM2/2/10

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On 2/2/2010 1:05 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
>
> ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>
>>>> "Make sure that you listen carefully to [Darwin Payne] explaining the
> poll they took of the reporters about whether they think it was a
> conspiracy or a lone nut. He seems confused by the fact that almost
> everyone checked off lone nut and THEN checked off who was responsible for
> the conspiracy. Here is the breakdown he reported: Did Oswald act alone?:
> Yes--75, No--6. .... Was Oswald involved in a conspiracy?: Yes--9, No--72.
> .... If you believe that there was a conspiracy, who was involved? [TONY
> MARSH DOESN'T HAVE THE QUESTION WORDED CORRECTLY HERE; SEE MY REPLY
> BELOW]: Mafia--32; Cuba--14; US intelligence agencies--42; DPD--5. ....
> Darwin Payne was confused by the results of the survey. Just as you are
> confused. But some of us get it."<<<
>
>
> DVP SAID:
>
> Darwin Payne wasn't confused. Apparently the 81 people who responded
> to that poll were confused though, because the last question
> (according to Payne) was worded like this:
>

Like you and McAdams, Darwin Payne was terminally confused. He said he
was confused. He couldn't figure it out. I did, a long time ago.
WC defenders agree that Oswald was the lone shooter, but they secretly
believe that others were behind it.

> "IF YOU ANSWERED YES TO #2 [about there being a conspiracy], WHO
> WAS INVOLVED?"
>
> Therefore, since only NINE people answered "Yes" to there being a
> conspiracy, there should have been only NINE people answering that
> last question about "who was involved?". Instead, there were 93
> answers. Doesn't make sense at all.
>

Makes perfect sense to someone who isn't intentionally blind to reality.

> And even taking into account the possibility that all 9 people who
> voted "Yes" to the #2 question wrote down multiple agencies being
> involved as co-conspirators, it still doesn't add up at all. Because
> how can "9" suddenly balloon to "93" for the last question?
>

Well, no matter how you add up the numbers they don't match. Some people
may have listed multiple conspirators.

> Amazingly, per those poll results, only 9 people said "Yes" to the
> second question about a conspiracy, but 42 of those 9 said they think
> U.S. intelligence agencies were part of a plot to kill JFK.
>

Gee, what was the percentage? 42 out of 93? Almost half of the people
think the CIA did it.

>
> ~big ol' shrug~
>
> The confusion regarding the SMU poll can be seen and heard near the
> end of this video (at 59:00):
>
> http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/52567-1
>
>

Isn't that what I just pointed to before. We can see why you didn't want
to bring this up even though I have brought it up several times before.

Anthony Marsh

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Feb 2, 2010, 6:14:19 PM2/2/10

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On 2/2/2010 11:24 AM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/19a7f433022d2c5e
>
> http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/52521-1
>
>
> ADDENDUM:
>
> Another enlightening and interesting part of the above-linked segment
> of the 1993 "Reporters Remember 11-22-63" conference/seminar is the
> part where Gary DeLaune of Dallas radio station KLIF talks about how
> he didn't think it was unusual for Jack Ruby to have simply walked
> down the Main Street ramp leading into the City Hall basement on
> 11/24/63 just before Lee Oswald was shot, because DeLaune says that he
> HIMSELF walked down that very same ramp shortly before Ruby killed
> Oswald.
>
> Given the sum total of all the witness statements connected with the
> important subject of "The Main Street Ramp", Gary DeLaune's statement
> about how he himself walked down that same ramp shortly before Oswald
> was shot must be taken with a grain of salt, of course. But DeLaune
> did make such a statement nevertheless.
>
> Here's the KLIF-Radio audio from November 24th, 1963, which includes
> an extremely out-of-breath Gary DeLaune telling the radio audience
> about what he had just witnessed in the basement of the Dallas Police
> Department a few minutes earlier. DeLaune sounds as if he is on the
> verge of collapse in this remarkable clip. He is so out of breath, he
> can barely speak:
>

Many reporters said that when they saw Ruby milling around with them in
the basement they just assumed he was a fellow reporter. He forgot to wear
his Mafia identification in the band of his fedora.

David Von Pein

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Feb 2, 2010, 10:07:58 PM2/2/10

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>>> "Many reporters said that when they saw Ruby milling around with them
in the basement they just assumed he was a fellow reporter." <<<

And that was during Ruby's approx. 25 to 45 seconds of "milling around"
after he got into the basement but before he shot LHO, eh?

Anthony Marsh

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Feb 3, 2010, 12:41:41 AM2/3/10

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Hey, watch it you conspiracy monger. You are not supposed to admit things
like that. The WC defenders are supposed to claim that he barely got there
in time, not milling around for a minute, jockeying his way to the front
of the group to get a clear shot.

David Von Pein

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Feb 3, 2010, 4:10:34 PM2/3/10

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/647bb3c107072ec2/8fcf412877055f50?#8fcf412877055f50

MORE HILARITY FROM THE KEYBOARD OF ANTHONY MARSH:

ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

>>> "Many reporters said that when they saw Ruby milling around with them in the basement they just assumed he was a fellow reporter. He forgot to wear his Mafia identification in the band of his fedora." <<<

DAVID VON PEIN THEN SAID:

>>> "And that was during Ruby's approx. 25 to 45 seconds of "milling around" after he got into the basement but before he shot LHO, eh?" <<<

ANTHONY MARSH THEN SAID:

>>> "The WC defenders are supposed to claim that he barely got there in time, not milling around for a minute, jockeying his way to the front of the group to get a clear shot [at proverbial patsy Oswald]." <<<

DVP NOW SAYS (WHILE ONCE AGAIN TRYING TO CONTROL A WEAK BLADDER):

LOL. Tony thinks "approx. 25 to 45 seconds" equals NOT getting there
"barely in time".

In other words, Anthony Marsh thinks Ruby entered the DPD basement
with gobs of room to spare before Oswald appeared.

Tony, you're an absolute howl! A howl, I tell ya!

Anthony Marsh

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Feb 3, 2010, 10:40:31 PM2/3/10

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I am ridiculing the construction of some WC defenders who claim that
Ruby just barely got there in time.
If you are not one of them then you have nothing to complain about.

Sandy McCroskey

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Feb 4, 2010, 9:35:34 PM2/4/10

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On Feb 3, 10:40 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 2/3/2010 4:10 PM, David Von Pein wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/th...

>
> > MORE HILARITY FROM THE KEYBOARD OF ANTHONY MARSH:
>
> > ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>
> >>>> "Many reporters said that when they saw Ruby milling around with them in the basement they just assumed he was a fellow reporter. He forgot to wear his Mafia identification in the band of his fedora."<<<
>
> > DAVID VON PEIN THEN SAID:
>
> >>>> "And that was during Ruby's approx. 25 to 45 seconds of "milling around" after he got into the basement but before he shot LHO, eh?"<<<
>
> > ANTHONY MARSH THEN SAID:
>
> >>>> "The WC defenders are supposed to claim that he barely got there in time, not milling around for a minute, jockeying his way to the front of the group to get a clear shot [at proverbial patsy Oswald]."<<<
>
> > DVP NOW SAYS (WHILE ONCE AGAIN TRYING TO CONTROL A WEAK BLADDER):
>
> > LOL. Tony thinks "approx. 25 to 45 seconds" equals NOT getting there
> > "barely in time".
>
> > In other words, Anthony Marsh thinks Ruby entered the DPD basement
> > with gobs of room to spare before Oswald appeared.
>
> > Tony, you're an absolute howl! A howl, I tell ya!
>
> I am ridiculing the construction of some WC defenders who claim that
> Ruby just barely got there in time.
> If you are not one of them then you have nothing to complain about.

You seem to have missed David's point. Less than a minute is "barely
in time," by my book.
If I got to a meeting (or caught a train) 25 to 45 seconds before it
started, I'd say I just barely made it.
Wouldn't you?
/sm