New Groden Claim
John McAdams
<Quote on>
Here's one to think about. You've heard about Groden's upcoming book
with a startling revelation from a now deceased witness? The
speculation is that she was Geneva Hine, who never gave the
information to investigators that she was with Oswald in her office
when the shots were fired.
Isn't it interesting, then, that Groden apparently sat on that
information for eight years or more (she died in 2002) without telling
anyone? Is that the responsible thing to do?
<quote off>
.John
--
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Peter Fokes
McAdams) wrote:
>From an e-mail correspondent:
>
><Quote on>
>
>Here's one to think about. You've heard about Groden's upcoming book
>with a startling revelation from a now deceased witness? The
>speculation is that she was Geneva Hine, who never gave the
>information to investigators that she was with Oswald in her office
>when the shots were fired.
>
>Isn't it interesting, then, that Groden apparently sat on that
>information for eight years or more (she died in 2002) without telling
>anyone? Is that the responsible thing to do?
>
><quote off>
For folks interested in Geneva Hine, see this thread:
or
>
>.John
Cheers
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
Peter Fokes
wrote:
Here is the beginning of that thread:
While others were streaming out of the TSBD to get a glimpse of the
President, Geneva L. Hine stayed behind in her second floor office.
Geneva recounted to the WC how she thought Oswald was a "queer duck".
He never responded to her friendly hellos.
Oswald had the habit of dropping into Miss Hine's office and asking
for change for the*coke* machine. We should not be surprised then that
Oswald was in the lunchroom with a coke in hand on Nov 22, 1963.
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; I saw him on the second floor about noontime
**almost every day**. He would come in and ask for change, for a dime
or quarter.
Mr. BALL. Did you see him use any part of the second floor?
Miss HINE. No.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him spend the dime to buy anything with it?
Miss HINE. No, sir; the coke machine isn't in our room and I wouldn't
have seen it.
Mr. BALL. Where is the coke machine?
Miss HINE. Out in the little lunchroom back of our office.
So Miss Hine was most likely the closest person to Oswald when he
sauntered in to the lunchroom to get a pop around 12:30 pm on Nov. 22,
1963. One assumes Oswald did not ask Miss Hine for a dime or quarter
on Nov. 22nd. But Mr. Ball doesn't bother asking.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever speak to Oswald ?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he ever speak to you?
Miss HINE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. He never replied to you?
Miss HINE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Would you say he was unfriendly?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; I would.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him smile or laugh?
Miss HINE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. What kind of an expression did he have on his face most of
the time?
Miss HINE. I describe it as being stoic.
That's our Oswald. Stoic.
Geneva, a friendly sort, thought Oswald a tad weird. As a matter of
fact, she asked Shelley about Lee one time:
"Miss HINE. One day I said to Mr. Shelley, "Who is that queer duck you
have working down here..."
A queer stoic duck who never remembered to bring change and kept
asking for dimes and quarters on a daily basis. I guess Miss Hine
never gave him change because if she had and Oswald did not say "Thank
You" I'm sure she would have mentioned it! Who did he get his change
from anyway? Miss Hine and Oswald did have one thing in common. They
both stayed in the TSBD while American royalty was about to glide by
in shiny limos. Our diligent and caring Miss Hine had seen JFK before
so she was willing to stay inside and continue answering the phone
while the other girls went out to catch a
peek at the Pres.
Mr. BALL. Did they all go out?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; everyone went out.
Mr. BALL. Was there anyone left in the office part of the building on
that second floor office?
Miss HINE. Only Mr. Williams and myself and he stayed with me because
he was working on his desk until he thought that the motorcade was
about
there.
Mr. Otis Williams was still inside too. Of course, Troy West was also
in the TSBD and seemed to be totally unaware the President was even in
town! But Troy was on the first floor doing his usual thing and was
surprised when all sorts of folks in uniform, etc., came in about
12:35 pm. He didn't even hear the shots! Ms. Hine, up one floor, did
hear the shots though: 3 of them and they sounded "terrific" loud.
Otis had slipped away about 5 minutes before the motorcade. Otis did
not testify as far as I can tell. Anyone know where he stood outside
btw?
Ms. Hine switched desks to man the telephone lines.
Mr. BALL. Was there a switchboard?
Miss HINE. No, sir; we have a telephone with three incoming lines,
then we have the warehouse line and we have an intercom system.
Mr. BALL. You don't have a switchboard?
Miss HINE. Not now; we did in the other building.
Mr. BALL. Were you alone then at this time?
Miss HINE. Yes.
Now, it's too bad Geneva stayed behind because...well, everyone in the
entire world had the courtesy to refrain from calling the TSBD at
12:30 pm because the motorcade was coming by!
Mr. BALL. Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the
phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one
was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east
window in our office.
How thoughtful of folks from New York to LA to stop calling so Miss
Hine could look out the window! Of course, this must be a coincidence
because those potential callers would have no way of knowing exactly
when the President's motocade was going to drive by, right? So she
looked out the window and when asked if she saw the motorcade, she
politely replied:
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; going north on Houston Street. I saw it turn
left and I saw the President's car coming and I saw the President and
saw him waving his hand in greeting up in the air and I saw his wife
and I saw him turn the corner and after he turned the corner I looked
and I saw the next car coming. Just at the instant I saw the **next**
car coming up was when I heard the shots.
Mr. BALL. How many did you hear?
Miss HINE. Three.
Mr. BALL Could you tell where the shots were coming from?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; they came from inside the building.
Mr. BALL. How do you know that?
Miss HINE. Because the building vibrated from the result of the
explosion coming in.
The building vibrated. Troy West on the first floor must have been a
little hard of hearing though. He didn't hear a thing. Just one floor
down.
Mr. BALL. Did you know they were shots at the time?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; they sounded almost like cannon shots they were
so terrific.
Ms. Hine wanted to look out another window to see why the folks were
running towards the underpass. So she tried the door of Lyons and
Carnahan. Darn. It was locked. So she moved on to the Southwestern
Publishing Co., and lo and behold another person had not bothered to
go out and watch the President. Indeed this person had locked the door
and could only be seen through a thin curtain.
****Miss HINE. And there was a girl in there talking on the telephone
and I could hear her but she didn't answer the door.
Mr. BALL. Was the door locked?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That was which company?
Miss HINE. Southwestern Publishing Co.
Mr. BALL. Did you call to her?
Miss HINE. I called and called and shook the door and she didn't
answer me because she was talking on the telephone; I could hear her.
They have a little curtain up and I could see her form through the
curtains. I could see her talking and I knew that's what she was doing
and then I turned and went through the back hall and came through the
back door.****
Well, she could at least see *her form*. But the door was locked.
Funny. Why would the door be locked with someone inside? Maybe this
"form" was talking to her boyfriend -:). Well, at least we know the
phones were not dead anymore. Someone (some "form") was talking.
A short while later, the employees filed back in, including Mr. Otis
Williams and Mrs. Reid.
Although Miss Hine did NOT see Oswald as he strode though their
office, Mrs. Reid did. And in what must be considered a
change of habit (or maybe he just didn't like Miss Hine) Oswald
"mumbled" something in response to words out of Mrs. Reid's mouth. But
he had been known to talk to someone else in that office anyway
..perhaps unbeknowst to Geneva:
Mrs. Reid: " another time ....he made a remark to one of the girls
back there and she said, "Well, he sure is calm.", And I said, "What
did he say to you?" And she says, "I have a baby," and he stopped and
I said, "Well, he is pretty calm just having a new baby," and outside
of that I never remember seeing him other than to come in to get
change."
On this occassion, Oswald said something again:
Mrs. REID. Well, I kept walking and I looked up and Oswald was coming
in the back door of the office. I met him by the time I passed my desk
several feet and I told him, I said, "Oh, the President has been shot,
but maybe they didn't hit him."
He **mumbled** something to me, I kept walking, he did, too. I didn't
pay any attention to what he said because I had no thoughts of
anything of him having any connection with it at all because he was
**very calm**. He had gotten a *coke* and was holding it in his hands
and I guess the reason it impressed me seeing him in there I thought
it was a little strange that one of -the warehouse boys would be up in
the office at the time, not that he had done anything wrong. The only
time I had seen him in the office was to come and get change [as
Geneva has already told us] and he already had his coke in his hand so
he didn't come for change and I dismissed him. I didn't think anything
else.
Now this happened just 2 minutes after the shooting. Belin and Reid
had used a "stopwatch" to time the events and such activity left them
"huffing and puffing" because they "ran". Oswald must have come
directly from his meeting with Truly and Baker in the lunchroom.
Mr. BELIN. And when in Dallas, we started the stopwatch from the time
that the last shot was fired, is that correct?
Mrs. REID. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. And then you went through your actions, what you saw, your
conversations that you had, and your actions in going back into the
building and up to the point that you saw Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. REID. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how long by the stopwatch it took you?
Mrs. REID. Approximately 2 minutes.
Mr. DULLES. I didn't hear you.
Mrs. REID. Two minutes.
Mr. BELIN. From the time of the last shot the time you and Oswald
crossed?
Mrs. REID. Yes; I believe that is the way we timed it.
Mr. BELIN. When you--you saw me start the stopwatch and you saw me
stop it there, right?
Mrs. REID. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. When you met in the lunchroom--
Mrs. REID. I didn't meet him in the lunchroom.
Mr. BELIN. Pardon me, when you met in the office, which direction were
you going, looking toward Exhibit 497, as you look on it, which
direction were you going toward the left or right?
Mrs. REID. You mean as I came in the office? I turned in and turned to
my left.
Mr. BELIN. That would be heading in a westerly direction is that
right?
Mrs. REID. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Was the coke full or empty?
Mrs. REID. It was full.
Mr. BELIN. It was full.
Oswald seemed in no rush.
Mrs. REID. ... he was moving at a **very slow pace**, I never did see
him moving fast at any time.
Queer stoic slow moving duck with full coke in hand.
On the threshold of infamy.
Peter F
John Blubaugh
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:18:55 -0500, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com>
> wrote:
>
> >McAdams) wrote:
>
> >>From an e-mail correspondent:
>
> >><Quote on>
>
> >>Here's one to think about. You've heard about Groden's upcoming book
> >>with a startling revelation from a now deceased witness? The
> >>speculation is that she was Geneva Hine, who never gave the
> >>information to investigators that she was with Oswald in her office
> >>when the shots were fired.
>
> >>Isn't it interesting, then, that Groden apparently sat on that
> >>information for eight years or more (she died in 2002) without telling
> >>anyone? Is that the responsible thing to do?
>
> >><quote off>
>
> >For folks interested in Geneva Hine, see this thread:
>
Well, Peter, you know McAdams and company (select any "company" you
wish) will have to disavow this testimony.
JB
Anthony Marsh
> From an e-mail correspondent:
>
> <Quote on>
>
> Here's one to think about. You've heard about Groden's upcoming book
> with a startling revelation from a now deceased witness? The
> speculation is that she was Geneva Hine, who never gave the
> information to investigators that she was with Oswald in her office
> when the shots were fired.
>
> Isn't it interesting, then, that Groden apparently sat on that
> information for eight years or more (she died in 2002) without telling
> anyone? Is that the responsible thing to do?
>
> <quote off>
>
I'm not sure he'll go that far? I have revealed things here which had
been kept secret for many years, but so what? No one pays attention.
yeuhd
> asking for dimes and quarters on a daily basis. I guess Miss Hine
> never gave him change because if she had and Oswald did not say "Thank
> You" I'm sure she would have mentioned it! Who did he get his change
> from anyway? Miss Hine and Oswald did have one thing in common. They
> both stayed in the TSBD while American royalty was about to glide by
> in shiny limos. Our diligent and caring Miss Hine had seen JFK before
> so she was willing to stay inside and continue answering the phone
> while the other girls went out to catch a
> peek at the Pres.
What is the sneering sarcasm of "our diligent and caring Miss Hine"
meant to imply? That she was part of some conspiracy too?
> Mr. Otis Williams was still inside too. Of course, Troy West was also
> in the TSBD and seemed to be totally unaware the President was even in
> town! But Troy was on the first floor doing his usual thing and was
> surprised when all sorts of folks in uniform, etc., came in about
> 12:35 pm. He didn't even hear the shots! Ms. Hine, up one floor, did
> hear the shots though: 3 of them and they sounded "terrific" loud.
Edna Case, on the 3rd floor of the TSBD looking out a window facing west,
heard no shots. Sandra Sue Elerson, also on the 3rd floor, looking out a
window facing south toward Elm, heard no shots.
> Otis had slipped away about 5 minutes before the motorcade. Otis did
> not testify as far as I can tell. Anyone know where he stood outside
> btw?
According to his FBI interview of Nov. 23, 1963, and his affidavit of
March 19, 1964, Otis Williams stood on the front steps of the TSBD
building as the motorcade went by.
bigdog
When you have the reputation Robert Groden does, you constantly have to
continue to come up with more preposterous claims in order to trump what
you have claimed in the past. Other than David Lifton, there is no bigger
buffoon among the the conspiracy authors. The real joke is that he
continues to find even bigger buffoons who believe what he writes, which
is absolutely mind boggling. The fact that Oliver Stone used him as a
consultant on his movie says all that needs to be said about that piece of
trash.
Peter Fokes
>On Nov 27, 12:36�pm, john.mcad...@marquette.edu (John McAdams) wrote:
>> From an e-mail correspondent:
>>
>> <Quote on>
>>
>> Here's one to think about. �You've heard about Groden's upcoming book
>> with a startling revelation from a now deceased witness? �The
>> speculation is that she was Geneva Hine, who never gave the
>> information to investigators that she was with Oswald in her office
>> when the shots were fired.
>>
>> Isn't it interesting, then, that Groden apparently sat on that
>> information for eight years or more (she died in 2002) without telling
>> anyone? �Is that the responsible thing to do?
>>
>> <quote off>
>>
>> .John
>>
>> --
>> The Kennedy Assassination Home Pagehttp://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>
>When you have the reputation Robert Groden does, you constantly have to
>continue to come up with more preposterous claims in order to trump what
>you have claimed in the past. Other than David Lifton, there is no bigger
>buffoon among the the conspiracy authors.
Who do you consider the biggest buffoon among LN authors?
>The real joke is that he
>continues to find even bigger buffoons who believe what he writes, which
>is absolutely mind boggling. The fact that Oliver Stone used him as a
>consultant on his movie says all that needs to be said about that piece of
>trash.
That's entertainment! Just like you!
Regards,
Peter Fokes
Thalia
>
> - Show quoted text -
Charming.
I met Robert Groden (aka "piece of trash') on the knoll in 2000, and
had quite a chat with him. He is passionate about the case, and I
agreed with him that the conspiracy, and the forces behind it, are
obvious. His book "Killing of a President" is outstanding, and if he
has made any minor errors or claims that cannot be 'proven' according
to the Lone Nuts impossible standards, then he can join the likes of
Posner and Bugliosi, both of whom have made numerous omissions and
distortions in their research.
Thalia
We don't know WHO Groden is writing about, but good to see your
throwing mud already. Usually some will stick.
claviger
> I met Robert Groden (aka "piece of trash') on the knoll in 2000, and
> had quite a chat with him. He is passionate about the case, and I
> agreed with him that the conspiracy, and the forces behind it, are
> obvious.
If they're obvious then they should be easy to identify and prove.
> His book "Killing of a President" is outstanding, and if he has made
> any minor errors or claims that cannot be 'proven' according to the
> Lone Nuts impossible standards,
Like the minor error he made in the OJ case that revealed what a phony
he is?
> then he can join the likes of Posner and Bugliosi, both of whom
> have made numerous omissions and distortions in their research.
Such as?
Both you and Grodey refuse to engage in cognitive thinking. Several LNs
who post here take the scientific approach or legal approach. On this
debate forum logic will sift through numerous theories and scenarios.
Grodey reminds me of the kid in junior high who was always making up
stories and starting silly rumors to get attention. He obviously hasn't
outgrown those juvenile habits. His gaff at the OJ trial has to be the
biggest embarrassment of any flimflam man in history, exposing him for the
con artist he really is. Which is why his office is now a card table on
the sidewalk next to the TSBD so he can continue to sell his books to
gullible tourists from around the world.
Peter Fokes
> On Nov 27, 1:33 pm, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> > A queer stoic duck who never remembered to bring change and kept
> > asking for dimes and quarters on a daily basis. I guess Miss Hine
> > never gave him change because if she had and Oswald did not say "Thank
> > You" I'm sure she would have mentioned it! Who did he get his change
> > from anyway? Miss Hine and Oswald did have one thing in common. They
> > both stayed in the TSBD while American royalty was about to glide by
> > in shiny limos. Our diligent and caring Miss Hine had seen JFK before
> > so she was willing to stay inside and continue answering the phone
> > while the other girls went out to catch a
> > peek at the Pres.
>
> What is the sneering sarcasm of "our diligent and caring Miss Hine"
> meant to imply? That she was part of some conspiracy too?
That's the wonderful thing about the written word. Everyone reads
their own interpretation into what they read!
From an employer's perspective, Miss Hine's willingness to stay inside
and answer phone would earn her a gold star.
Certainly his actions as an employee would be classified and diligent
and caring.
>
> > Mr. Otis Williams was still inside too. Of course, Troy West was also
> > in the TSBD and seemed to be totally unaware the President was even in
> > town! But Troy was on the first floor doing his usual thing and was
> > surprised when all sorts of folks in uniform, etc., came in about
> > 12:35 pm. He didn't even hear the shots! Ms. Hine, up one floor, did
> > hear the shots though: 3 of them and they sounded "terrific" loud.
>
> Edna Case, on the 3rd floor of the TSBD looking out a window facing west,
> heard no shots. Sandra Sue Elerson, also on the 3rd floor, looking out a
> window facing south toward Elm, heard no shots.
Amazing!
Miss Hine said the building "vibrated". Did they feel the vibrations?
> > Otis had slipped away about 5 minutes before the motorcade. Otis did
> > not testify as far as I can tell. Anyone know where he stood outside
> > btw?
>
> According to his FBI interview of Nov. 23, 1963, and his affidavit of
> March 19, 1964, Otis Williams stood on the front steps of the TSBD
> building as the motorcade went by.
Excellent.
Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
jas
Living in denial and a fantasy land sure is easy and fun, eh?
Too bad we all can't be that easily amused.
Anthony Marsh
> On 28 Nov 2009 00:46:08 -0500, bigdog<jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 27, 12:36 pm, john.mcad...@marquette.edu (John McAdams) wrote:
>>> From an e-mail correspondent:
>>>
>>> <Quote on>
>>>
>>> Here's one to think about. You've heard about Groden's upcoming book
>>> with a startling revelation from a now deceased witness? The
>>> speculation is that she was Geneva Hine, who never gave the
>>> information to investigators that she was with Oswald in her office
>>> when the shots were fired.
>>>
>>> Isn't it interesting, then, that Groden apparently sat on that
>>> information for eight years or more (she died in 2002) without telling
>>> anyone? Is that the responsible thing to do?
>>>
>>> <quote off>
>>>
>>> .John
>>>
>>> --
>>> The Kennedy Assassination Home Pagehttp://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>>
>> When you have the reputation Robert Groden does, you constantly have to
>> continue to come up with more preposterous claims in order to trump what
>> you have claimed in the past. Other than David Lifton, there is no bigger
>> buffoon among the the conspiracy authors.
>
> Who do you consider the biggest buffoon among LN authors?
>
Bugliosi.
Peter Fokes
wrote:
>On Nov 27, 10:55�pm, yeuhd <needleswax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 27, 1:33�pm, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>> > A queer stoic duck who never remembered to bring change and kept
>> > asking for dimes and quarters on a daily basis. I guess Miss Hine
>> > never gave him change because if she had and Oswald did not say "Thank
>> > You" I'm sure she would have mentioned it! Who did he get his change
>> > from anyway? Miss Hine and Oswald did have one thing in common. They
>> > both stayed in the TSBD while American royalty was about to glide by
>> > in shiny limos. Our diligent and caring Miss Hine had seen JFK before
>> > so she was willing to stay inside and continue answering the phone
>> > while the other girls went out to catch a
>> > peek at the Pres.
>>
>> What is the sneering sarcasm of "our diligent and caring Miss Hine"
>> meant to imply? That she was part of some conspiracy too?
>
>That's the wonderful thing about the written word. Everyone reads
>their own interpretation into what they read!
>From an employer's perspective, Miss Hine's willingness to stay inside
>and answer phone would earn her a gold star.
>Certainly his actions as an employee would be classified and diligent
>and caring.
Excuse me ... that should read "her actions".
I don't believe MISS HINE was "part of some conspiracy too."
PF
Peter Fokes
McAdams) wrote:
>From an e-mail correspondent:
>
><Quote on>
>
>Here's one to think about. You've heard about Groden's upcoming book
>with a startling revelation from a now deceased witness? The
>speculation is that she was Geneva Hine, who never gave the
>information to investigators that she was with Oswald in her office
>when the shots were fired.
>
>Isn't it interesting, then, that Groden apparently sat on that
>information for eight years or more (she died in 2002) without telling
>anyone? Is that the responsible thing to do?
>
><quote off>
Hine was 61 in 1963, according to a Dallas Police Report.
So she was 100 when she died? When did she talk to Groden?
See:
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/21/2135-001.gif
In this statement, she said she did not see Oswald AT ALL on the day
of the shooting.
>.John
PF
Peter Fokes
wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:36:14 GMT, john.m...@marquette.edu (John
>McAdams) wrote:
>
>>From an e-mail correspondent:
>>
>><Quote on>
>>
>>Here's one to think about. You've heard about Groden's upcoming book
>>with a startling revelation from a now deceased witness? The
>>speculation is that she was Geneva Hine, who never gave the
>>information to investigators that she was with Oswald in her office
>>when the shots were fired.
>>
>>Isn't it interesting, then, that Groden apparently sat on that
>>information for eight years or more (she died in 2002) without telling
>>anyone? Is that the responsible thing to do?
>>
>><quote off>
>
>
>Hine was 61 in 1963, according to a Dallas Police Report.
Excuse me, I think this report indicates she was 60 years old, not 61.
>
>So she was 100 when she died? When did she talk to Groden?
>
>See:
>
>http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/21/2135-001.gif
>
>In this statement, she said she did not see Oswald AT ALL on the day
>of the shooting.
She said she was not aware the President had been shot until the
"police came in the office."
But the police arrived in the office only after some of the other
employees (ie, Reid) arrived, correct? After Reid saw Oswald and heard
him mumble something.
Didn't HINE learn that the President had been shot from some of the
other employees first (i.e REID)? Surely they knew the shots had been
fired at the President.
Or did HINE encounter the police somewhere else in the building?
>>.John
>
>
>PF
PF
yeuhd
> Hine was 61 in 1963, according to a Dallas Police Report.
>
> So she was 100 when she died? When did she talk to Groden?
Geneva L. Hine
4 Oct 1911 – 4 April 2002
Peter Fokes
Are you sure this is the same Hine?
The police report indicates she is 60 in 1963 or 1964.
The report is not dated.
That would make her 99 or 100 when she died.
I also found a reference to a Geneva L. Hine who was 98 in Dallas.
I noticed there were other individuals with the name Geneva Hine.
See police report here:
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/21/2135-001.gif
I don't think Geneva provided her age during her testimony.
Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
Anthony Marsh
So every conspiracy is easy to identify and prove. That's why Nixon
admitted Watergate immediately? That's why the CIA admitted the Castro
plots immediately? What planet are you from?
>> His book "Killing of a President" is outstanding, and if he has made
>> any minor errors or claims that cannot be 'proven' according to the
>> Lone Nuts impossible standards,
>
> Like the minor error he made in the OJ case that revealed what a phony
> he is?
>
He has made several errors. So what?
>> then he can join the likes of Posner and Bugliosi, both of whom
>> have made numerous omissions and distortions in their research.
>
> Such as?
>
You really can't read the old messages to see all the rebuttals to
Posner and Bugliosi?
John Blubaugh
Well, the LN crowd would say her testimony was tainted because she
lied about her age.
yeuhd
> On 29 Nov 2009 14:13:49 -0500, yeuhd <needleswax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 28, 10:16 pm, Peter Fokes <pfo...@rogers.com> wrote:
> >> Hine was 61 in 1963, according to a Dallas Police Report.
>
> >> So she was 100 when she died? When did she talk to Groden?
>
> >Geneva L. Hine
> >4 Oct 1911 – 4 April 2002
>
> Are you sure this is the same Hine?
From the Social Security Death Index:
Name: Geneva L. Hine
SSN: 066-28-8810
ZIP code of Last Residence: 75248 (Dallas, Dallas County, Texas)
Born: 4 Oct 1911
Died: 4 Apr 2002
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1951-1952)
How many women named Geneva L. Hine lived in Dallas?
The Geneva L. Hine who worked at the TSBD building testified to the WC
that she attended Metropolitan Bible Institute in Suffern, N.Y. If she
was born in 1911, she would have been 19–21 when her Social Security
number was issued. It fits. I think the police report is wrong.