The Night's Dance
adamlynn
the moon a membrane of bad dreams
the wind a black lake of red sun falls
in your eyes a forest of blood wounds
kindness remembers kissing the shrieks
pain storms from the white cradle place
our voices sink to where love has fled
Cythera
>
A membrane of stars stretches over clouds.
In this forest dreams spiral and rise.
Corey Connor
Do you know the tickle word miss tickle said sounds so absurd. The
word I heard miss tickle say I've written for you here today. Miss
tickle knows to blow my nose, and buy me all my brand new clothes, and
treat me well, and show me off if even sometimes I might cough out
loud like proud like this and that like sometimes I say shit like that
and this dismiss it all of course I'm nothing but a talking horse's
ass who passes by you thinking this was smart or maybe stinking.
adamlynn
Hi Cythera-
Thanks for reading and for the OB poem too.
I was thinking about Nicholas (Plath) Hughes
last night. The title of my piece comes from
Sylvia's poem about Nick- The Night
Dances.
Corey Connor
Get a room!! It's like you two were made for each other. By the way,
great work the both of you. Beautiful poems!
Cythera
> On Jan 11, 4:38 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 11, 5:24 am, adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:> The Night's Dance
>
> > > the moon a membrane of bad dreams
> > > the wind a black lake of red sun falls
> > > in your eyes a forest of blood wounds
> > > kindness remembers kissing the shrieks
> > > pain storms from the white cradle place
> > > our voices sink to where love has fled
>
> > The Night Cradle
>
> > A membrane of stars stretches over clouds.
> > In this forest dreams spiral and rise.
>
> Hi Cythera-
>
> Thanks for reading and for the OB poem too.
>
Thank you. It was a pleasure.
>
> I was thinking about Nicholas (Plath) Hughes
> last night. The title of my piece comes from
> Sylvia's poem about Nick- The Night
> Dances.
>
Corey Connor
you sweetheart.
Peter J Ross
adamlynn <adam...@live.com> wrote:
Too many colours (black, red, white).
Too many clichés (bad dreams, where love has fled).
--
PJR :-)
"Am I getting old and cynical, or is jumping up and down on the bed just not
as much fun as it used to be?" - Harry Hill
Corey Connor
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:24:27 -0800 (PST),
>
> > The Night's Dance
>
> > the moon a membrane of bad dreams
> > the wind a black lake of red sun falls
> > in your eyes a forest of blood wounds
> > kindness remembers kissing the shrieks
> > pain storms from the white cradle place
> > our voices sink to where love has fled
>
> Too many colours (black, red, white).
>
> Too many clichés (bad dreams, where love has fled).
>
> --
> PJR :-)
>
> "Am I getting old and cynical, or is jumping up and down on the bed just not
> as much fun as it used to be?" - Harry Hill
Yes, you suck now. You really suck in with your mouth, Peter, air.
You must do as I say now. Speak of me to me here.
Cythera
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:24:27 -0800 (PST),
>
> > The Night's Dance
>
> > the moon a membrane of bad dreams
> > the wind a black lake of red sun falls
> > in your eyes a forest of blood wounds
> > kindness remembers kissing the shrieks
> > pain storms from the white cradle place
> > our voices sink to where love has fled
>
> Too many colours (black, red, white).
>
> Too many clichés (bad dreams,
>
> where love has fled).
>
Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
And paced upon the mountains overhead
And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
George Dance
> And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> And paced upon the mountains overhead
> And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
- William Butler Yeats
Cythera
Peter J Ross
Cythera <cyt...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 12:13 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:24:27 -0800 (PST),
>>
>> adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
>> > The Night's Dance
>>
>> > the moon a membrane of bad dreams
>> > the wind a black lake of red sun falls
>> > in your eyes a forest of blood wounds
>> > kindness remembers kissing the shrieks
>> > pain storms from the white cradle place
>> > our voices sink to where love has fled
>>
>> Too many colours (black, red, white).
>>
>> Too many clichés (bad dreams,
>>
>> where love has fled).
>>
> And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> And paced upon the mountains overhead
> And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
... not to be spoken by a gang of tars
To whom a hammock is a marriage bed;
The compass seems to them a woman spread:
the middie's lantern, fools! is light from Mars.
--
PJR :-)
Will Dockery
>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>Cythera said:
>
> > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> > - William Butler Yeats
>
> We know.
Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
--
"Shadowville Speedway" CD on Artemis Records:
http://www.artemisrecords.net/dockeryconley.html
George Dance
Maybe you should have thought that someone else might know, too.
George Dance
> Cythera said:
>
> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>Cythera said:
>
> > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> > > - William Butler Yeats
>
> > We know.
>
> Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
Especially when she's whined and cried for over a year that not
crediting the author means you're plagiarizing and stealing -- if
you're one of the so-called "stupid people".
Cythera
> Cythera said:
>
> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>Cythera said:
>
> > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> > > - William Butler Yeats
>
> > We know.
>
> Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
works?
Will Dockery
>
> And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> And paced upon the mountains overhead
> And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> - William Butler Yeats
>
Still, why not take the time to add a credit to the quote?
George Dance
If you thought they would, then why would you try to pass Yeats's
poetry off as your own?
Will Dockery
> On Jan 12, 6:37 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Cythera said:
>> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >>Cythera said:
>
> > > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> > > > - William Butler Yeats
>
> > > We know.
>
> > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
> Especially when she's whined and cried for over a year that not
> crediting the author means you're plagiarizing and stealing -- if
> you're one of the so-called "stupid people".
Well, Cythera has proven, with her borrowed poetry and continuous
ommission of credit where due, that she has no respect for poets.
--
Red Lipped Stranger / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144
Cythera
For you and dreckery not to know that (or Yeats) is your problem, not
mine.
Cythera
> On Jan 12, 7:09 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 6:37 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Cythera said:
> >> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > >>Cythera said:
>
> > > > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> > > > > - William Butler Yeats
>
> > > > We know.
>
> > > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
> > Especially when she's whined and cried for over a year that not
> > crediting the author means you're plagiarizing and stealing -- if
> > you're one of the so-called "stupid people".
>
> Well, Cythera has proven, with her borrowed poetry and continuous
> ommission of credit where due, that she has no respect for poets.
>
Night's Dance."
>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/8a231baccca21e38
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> Cythera said:
>> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>>Cythera said:
>
> > > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
>
> > > > > We know.
>
> > > > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
> > > Especially when she's whined and cried for over a year that not
> > > crediting the author means you're plagiarizing and stealing -- if
> > > you're one of the so-called "stupid people".
>
> > Well, Cythera has proven, with her borrowed poetry and continuous
> > ommission of credit where due, that she has no respect for poets.
>
> I'm surprised
<snip>
I'm not surprised, since you've made a habit of this sort of thing for
at least a decade now, Cythera.
George Dance
So now your story is that it isn't plagiarism to leave the author's
name off a quote so long as you use "block quote format"?
> For you and dreckery not to know that (or Yeats) is your problem, not
> mine.
Oh, I was pretty sure that you don't really think it's plagiarism to
leave the author's name off a quote, and the only reason you were
calling people plagiarists for doing so was because you were chewing
on on of your friend PJ Ross's turds. But of course no one "knew" that
until you proved it, up above.
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> Cythera said:
>>> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>Cythera said:
>
> > > > > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
>
> > > > > > > We know.
>
> > > > > > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
> > > > > crediting the author means you're plagiarizing and stealing -- if
> > > > > you're one of the so-called "stupid people".
>
> > > > Well, Cythera has proven, with her borrowed poetry and continuous
> > > > ommission of credit where due, that she has no respect for poets.
>
> > > I'm surprised
>
>
> "The Night's Dance."
>
> > <snip>
>
> > I'm not surprised, since you've made a habit of this sort of thing for
> > at least a decade now, Cythera.
>
> barrel
> boom
Is that an original thought or did you borrow it from somewhere,
Cythera?
George Dance
> Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Cythera said:
> >> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >>>Cythera said:
>
> > > > > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> > > > > > > -William Butler Yeats
>
> > > > > > We know.
>
> > > > > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
> > > > Especially when she's whined and cried for over a year that not
> > > > crediting the author means you're plagiarizing and stealing -- if
> > > > you're one of the so-called "stupid people".
>
> > > Well, Cythera has proven, with her borrowed poetry and continuous
> > > ommission of credit where due, that she has no respect for poets.
>
> > I'm surprised
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm not surprised, since you've made a habit of this sort of thing for
> at least a decade now, Cythera.
It wouldn't be so bad if she didn't trot around AAPC calling some
people (but not others) thieves plagiarists and for doing the same
thing.
Looking at ggamble's *shit people* list -
- that makes 5 who've now been caught posting others'
poetry or lyrics without attribution (Gamble himself, Houstman, PJ,
Karla, and now Cythera), of course without ever a peep of protest from
anyone else on that list.
Will Dockery
>Cythera said:
>>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>Cythera said:
>
> > > > > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
>
> > > > > > We know.
>
> > > > > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
> > > > Why wouldn't everyone reading here already know Yeats's most famous works?
>
> > > If you thought they would, then why would you try to pass Yeats's
> > > poetry off as your own?
>
> > Block quote format means the material *is* a quotation.
>
> So now your story is that it isn't plagiarism to leave the author's
> name off a quote so long as you use "block quote format"?
>
> > mine.
>
> Oh, I was pretty sure that you don't really think it's plagiarism to
> leave the author's name off a quote, and the only reason you were
> calling people plagiarists for doing so was because you were chewing
> on on of your friend PJ Ross's turds. But of course no one "knew" that
> until you proved it, up above.
Good thing she set all that straight, eh?
"It is okay to steal...", as Cythera's pal once informed us.
Cythera
> On Jan 13, 1:59 am, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 7:58 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 12, 8:55 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 12, 3:37 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Cythera said:
>
> > > > > >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > > > >>Cythera said:
>
> > > > > > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > > > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> > > > > > > - William Butler Yeats
>
> > > > > > We know.
>
> > > > > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
> > > > Why wouldn't everyone reading here already know Yeats's most famous
> > > > works?
>
> > > If you thought they would, then why would you try to pass Yeats's
> > > poetry off as your own?
>
> > Block quote format means the material *is* a quotation.
>
> So now your story is that it isn't plagiarism to leave the author's
> name off a quote so long as you use "block quote format"?
>
>
> > For you and dreckery not to know that (or Yeats) is your problem, not
> > mine.
>
> Oh, I was pretty sure that you don't really think it's plagiarism to
> leave the author's name off a quote, and the only reason you were
> calling people plagiarists for doing so
>
dreckery's duplicity regarding "credit where due."
>
<snip>
Cythera
formatting and deleted the link.
I wrote this:
>
fish
barrel
boom
>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/fd9b61ed58df18a5
Will Dockery
>
> I wrote this:
>
> fish
> barrel
> boom
And I wrote:
> > Is that an original thought or did you borrow it from somewhere, Cythera?
After all, most of the writing I've seen by you you've borrowed from
someone else, Cythera.
<unsnip>
> > > > > > > > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > > > > > > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > > > > > > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > > > > > > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> > > > > > > > > > -William Butler Yeats
>
> > > > > > > > > We know.
>
> > > > > > > > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>
> > > > > > > Especially when she's whined and cried for over a year that not
> > > > > > > crediting the author means you're plagiarizing and stealing -- if
> > > > > > > you're one of the so-called "stupid people".
>
> > > > > > Well, Cythera has proven, with her borrowed poetry and continuous
> > > > > > ommission of credit where due, that she has no respect for poets.
>
> > > > > I'm surprised
>
> > > I wrote: I'm surprised you haven't said I borrowed from adam's poem "The Night's Dance."
>
> > > > <snip>
>
> > > > I'm not surprised, since you've made a habit of this sort of thing for
> > > > at least a decade now, Cythera.
<unsnip>
--
Hasty Pudding, written by Will Dockery & Henry Conley, produced by
Brian Fowler:
http://www.archive.org/details/HastyPudding_283
Will Dockery
> On Jan 13, 6:50 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Good thing she set all that straight, eh?
>
> > "It is okay to steal...", as Cythera's pal once informed us.
>
> stealing, Will.
>
> Your rhetoric is unproductive here. Cythera did not say it was okay
> to steal, and you further the deception by aligning her with whomever
> you're suggesting made the unnattributed quote. You'll never be a
> writer of any merit unless you can learn to respect the writings of
> other writers irrespective of how you think they see you. It is okay
> to borrow. It is not okay to steal. If you don't understand the
> difference, ask. Asking turns stealing into borrowing. Your "Good
> thing" question was not a very good thing to say, and did not reflect
> any honesty. Please correct your mistake, Will you.
Yes, I probably shouldn't be typing right now, too exhausted... long
story but worth a song I said earlier, helped a friend try to locate:
1) His son-in-law, who had gone to work in Opelika & hadn't returned
by 1am
2) His car keys
This after his ordeal of having the car stolen a few days before, add
to that his distraught daughter, in the last days of preganancy with
his first grand-daughter...
A few hours of this, and then some... the son-in-law got home a few
minutes before 4:20... and other details I won't go into right now.
So, after a nap, I'll correct the above paragraph or lines or whatever
they are.
Will Dockery
> On Jan 13, 3:28 am, George Dance wrote:
>
> > Oh, I was pretty sure that you don't really think it's plagiarism to
> > leave the author's name off a quote, and the only reason you were
> > calling people plagiarists for doing so
>
> Perhaps you are referring to one or more of the times I've pointed out
[Dockery's]
> duplicity regarding "credit where due."
No, because that never happened, Cythera.
I always believe in giving "credit where due"... but I'd be interested
in seeing you try to make a case contrary to that.
Corey Connor
That was the knockout punch, Will. You nailed her but good with that
one, leaving no wiggle room. That bitch is all yours now, son.
ggamble
On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> the only reason you were
> calling people plagiarists for doing so was because you were chewing
> on on of your friend PJ Ross's turds.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Have you had a stroke?
Do you need a cigarette?
ggamble
On 13-Jan-2011, Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I probably shouldn't be typing right now, too exhausted... long
> story but worth a song I said earlier, helped a friend try to locate:
>
> 1) His son-in-law, who had gone to work in Opelika & hadn't returned
> by 1am
>
> 2) His car keys
>
> This after his ordeal of having the car stolen a few days before, add
> to that his distraught daughter, in the last days of preganancy with
> his first grand-daughter...
>
> A few hours of this, and then some... the son-in-law got home a few
> minutes before 4:20... and other details I won't go into right now.
oh, let's write the song for you,
ready, set, go, no revisions, straight out of the keyboard:
Gone to Opelika
help me find my keys
rhythm straight mumble
sandals holding knees.
Gone to Opelika
Spaniards castle dust
pregnant monkey custard
crackers coffee crust
In a hole of worry
baby's on the way
Help me find my car keys
might be born today.
Worry nighttime jangle
driving in the slush
gotta get to keyboard
show I'm up to snuff.
Gone to Opelika
overrated friends
deep sea diver diamond
I think I have the bends.
(predictable response)
Cythera
> On Jan 13, 7:07 am, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 13, 3:28 am, George Dance wrote:
>
> > > Oh, I was pretty sure that you don't really think it's plagiarism to
> > > leave the author's name off a quote, and the only reason you were
> > > calling people plagiarists for doing so
>
> > Perhaps you are referring to one or more of the times I've pointed out
>
> [Dockery's]
>
> > duplicity regarding "credit where due."
>
> No, because that never happened, Cythera.
>
> I always believe in giving "credit where due"...
>
depending on who's doing the borrowing.
>
> but I'd be interested in seeing you try to make a case contrary to that.
>
>
snow-capped: remember how you and dunce said I owe zita credit
for using "her" phrase "snow capped"?
>
Why, then, haven't you said these phrases require "credit where due"?
thin air
the taming of the shrew
weird sister
wine into water
the turning of the screw
moonlit mile
etc.
>
Same question for these poems:
Betty
Fuji-san
Cohen's haiku
>
schwinns
the re-do of Dale's "Potholder Day"
>
everything Lysaught copy-pasted from the Web to aapc
>
and of course, the video Cook made
the Playgrounds interview you put together from copy-pasted Usenet
material
Corey Connor
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:20:47 -0800 (PST),
>
>
>
>
>
> Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 12, 12:13 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:24:27 -0800 (PST),
>
> >> adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
> >> > The Night's Dance
>
> >> > the moon a membrane of bad dreams
> >> > the wind a black lake of red sun falls
> >> > in your eyes a forest of blood wounds
> >> > kindness remembers kissing the shrieks
> >> > pain storms from the white cradle place
> >> > our voices sink to where love has fled
>
> >> Too many colours (black, red, white).
>
> >> Too many clichés (bad dreams,
>
> >> where love has fled).
>
> > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
> > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
> > And paced upon the mountains overhead
> > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>
> To whom a hammock is a marriage bed;
> The compass seems to them a woman spread:
> the middie's lantern, fools! is light from Mars.
>
> --
> PJR :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
God you talk perty Peter. Yer a perty Peter, ya no dat?
George Dance
> On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Oh, I was pretty sure that you don't really think it's plagiarism to
> >leave the author's name off a quote, and the only reason you were
> >calling people plagiarists for doing so was because you were chewing
> >on on of your friend PJ Ross's turds. But of course no one "knew" that
> >until you proved it, up above.
>
> What the fuck is wrong with you?
>
Aw, don't be jealous, ggreen-eyed ggary. I'm sure Cythera loves
slurping the stools you dump on AAPC, too.
George Dance
>
> Gone to Opelika
> help me find my keys
> rhythm straight mumble
> sandals holding knees.
>
> Gone to Opelika
> Spaniards castle dust
> pregnant monkey custard
> crackers coffee crust
>
> In a hole of worry
> baby's on the way
> Help me find my car keys
> might be born today.
>
> Worry nighttime jangle
> driving in the slush
> gotta get to keyboard
> show I'm up to snuff.
>
> Gone to Opelika
> overrated friends
> deep sea diver diamond
> I think I have the bends.
>
At least ggreen-eyed ggary's not trying to pass off a Mark Knopfler
song as his own this time. That's an improvement.
> (predictable response)
Will Dockery
>
> Your definition of credit and where it's due changes back and forth
> depending on who's doing the borrowing.
No, it doesn't, Cythera. I'm a believer in "credit where due", while
the entire reason for this conversation with you is the obvious fact
that you do not believe this, and in fact omit "credit where due" in
your own poetry on a regular basis.
--
Greybeard Cavalier / Written by Will Dockery, P.D. Wilson & Brian
Fowler
http://www.archive.org/details/GreybeardCavalier
Cythera
> On Jan 13, 12:24 pm, "ggamble" <g...@youbet.net> wrote:
>
> > On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Oh, I was pretty sure that you don't really think it's plagiarism to
> > >leave the author's name off a quote, and the only reason you were
> > >calling people plagiarists for doing so was because you were chewing
> > >on on of your friend PJ Ross's turds. But of course no one "knew" that
> > >until you proved it, up above.
>
> > What the fuck is wrong with you?
>
> Aw, don't be jealous, ggreen-eyed ggary.
>
>
> I'm sure Cythera loves slurping the stools you dump on AAPC, too.
>
aapc' statement -- and, for that matter, for the 'George Dance wants
to suck Will Dockery's cock' statement."
-- mensageorge dance
ggamble
On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> At least ggreen-eyed ggary's not trying to pass off a Mark Knopfler
> song as his own this time. That's an improvement.
Ho hum, mensageorge doesn't have any ammo to use against me, so he has to
make something up again.
again
again
again
ggamble
On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> slurping the stools
That's disgusting.
Do you have mental problems?
Are z and matt your sockpuppets?
ggamble
On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> ggreen-eyed
oh now, mensageorge, who am I supposedly jealous of?
In mensageorge world, of course.
I'm moving the coffee away from the keyboard in case you respond.
Will Dockery
>
> snow-capped: remember how you and dance said I owe zita credit
> for using "her" phrase "snow capped"?
You don't seem to remember how that came up, Cythera. It was after
you'd called George a thief several times for what turned out to be
ideas you yourself had borrowed!
> Why, then, haven't you said these phrases require "credit where due"?
> the taming of the shrew
> weird sister
> the turning of the screw
You answered that question yourself yesterday, Cythera:
On Jan 12, 8:55 pm, Cythera said:
>
> Why wouldn't everyone reading here already know [Shakespeare's] most famous works?
We know.
George Dance
> On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> mental problems
>
Yes, we know.
George Dance
> On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
> of course.
OK.
Cythera
> Cythera said:
>
>
>
> > Your definition of credit and where it's due changes back and forth
> > depending on who's doing the borrowing.
>
> No, it doesn't, Cythera. I'm a believer in "credit where due",
>
I left something off my list: you attribute a gg quote to Dennis, and
have said you do that because Dennis is better-known.
>
Your definition of credit and where it's due changes back and forth.
George Dance
> you attribute a gg quote to Dennis
Oh, was it "gg" who first said you can't turn a nigger into a black
man or a faggot into a gay man?
George Dance
> On Jan 13, 10:37 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:> On Jan 13, 12:24 pm, "ggamble" <g...@youbet.net> wrote:
>
> > > On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > Oh, I was pretty sure that you don't really think it's plagiarism to
> > > >leave the author's name off a quote, and the only reason you were
> > > >calling people plagiarists for doing so was because you were chewing
> > > >on on of your friend PJ Ross's turds. But of course no one "knew" that
> > > >until you proved it, up above.
>
> > > What the fuck is wrong with you?
>
> > Aw, don't be jealous, ggreen-eyed ggary.
>
> How fitting that you attempt to paraphrase Iago.
Actually I'm paraphrasing your friend "Gary". He'll probably tell you
that "Iago" guy stole it from him.
> > I'm sure Cythera loves slurping the stools you dump on AAPC, too.
>
> "... I hold you responsible for the 'George Dance wants to destroy
> aapc' statement -- and, for that matter, for the 'George Dance wants
> to suck Will Dockery's cock' statement."
> -- mensageorge dance
Yes, shyttera: stools like that.
ggamble
On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > you attribute a gg quote to Dennis
>
> Oh, was it "gg" who first said you can't turn a nigger into a black
> man or a faggot into a gay man?
No, mensageorge, I never typed anything like that.
I guess that means that you and your friend, dockery will now make 5,000
posts saying that I did.
Because, that's what you do.
ggamble
On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > who am I supposedly jealous of?
You can't answer the question.
Corey Connor
Of course that's what he does. That's all he knows how to do because
Mensa teaches you arguing skills like George has, and George is, or at
least attempting to make a little bit, but none the less important
point than you were regarding point making, so if it takes him 5,000
more posts to get to his point, then so be it. I'll be his faithful
reader until hell freezes over, because George has just as much right
to be read left, or wrong as anybody. Thank you, and you've been more
than generous for listening to me this long.
Cythera
Cythera
> Cythera said:
>
>
>
> > Your definition of credit and where it's due changes back and forth
> > depending on who's doing the borrowing.
>
> No, it doesn't, Cythera. I'm a believer in "credit where due", while
> the entire reason for this conversation with you is the obvious fact
> that you do not believe this,
>
> and in fact omit "credit where due" in your own poetry on a regular basis.
>
gathering your supposed evidence.
Corey Connor
> What are you babbling about?
Discretion, m'am.
At your discretion, I'd like you to discretely consider the word
discretion which essentially means choice. We each make choices. You
are making a choice to read me or to stop now. I have made the
discrete choice of becoming an advocate for the legalization of
marijuana as a healthful benefit to the service of mankind. That is
my choice based on my perception of God's choice for me although I
fully understand that the current political climate would indicate
that I am a criminal. Ma'am, I tell you that I am not a criminal. I
smoke pot. It helps me; and it helps me help people. If in any way
anything I've said makes sense to you, or assists in the formation of
reason as it accumulates in your mind, then you are encouraged to
support my efforts. If not, that's okay too.
Corey Connor
Corey
> show you something so that people say what is this like they mean that
> they have seen a demonstration of the feeling that they saw some old
> heehaw rerunning right around you kneeling here like praying was me
> saying in a way you understood that all I really want to tell you is a
> thing that's really good for you 'cause odd as this may sound to you,
> I'm meaning every word because when God spoke to me listening this was
> the sound I heard.
ggamble
Will Dockery
> On Jan 13, 10:40 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > No, it doesn't, Cythera. I'm a believer in "credit where due", while
> > the entire reason for this conversation with you is the obvious fact
> > that you do not believe this, and in fact omit "credit where due" in your own poetry on a regular basis.
>
> You might be asked to prove this in court. I suggest you start
> gathering your supposed evidence.
I can state my opinion in court, and I'd refer to your Robert Morpheal
adaptations as the basis for my opinion.
But, okay, that's why "credit where due" is being quoted, because
that's my opinion that the poet with the original idea should be
credited... it was demonstrated to me long before this that credit to
the person who wrote the poem the new poem is based on isn't required
or expected, and that the "credit where due" belief is in my opinion.
Are you saying, then, that you've always credited Robert Morpheal when
you've borrowed poetry from him for the last decade?
Corey Connor
You speak well, Will.
Will Dockery
On the post, or in the recording of "Greybeard Cavalier" linked to,
above? Talking with the Bibb City Ramblers of doing a remake of this
one during my cameo in their set with The Shady Branches on the
Saturday night portion of Doo-Nanny... over on Brian Fowler's Facebook
page, not sure if his is visible to the public or not:
http://www.facebook.com/Mandokilla#!/Mandokilla
Headed out for an early set at the coffeehouse, not ready to attempt
the Corey Poem yet... I'd like to do a reading something like this, if
you have any darker writings yet still funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OXwVxIN_kA
Could change my mind if the camera is there and rolling. See y'all
soon...
Corey Connor
Just as review for those who have not been clued in, this was what I
had in mind, kind of a 'Devil Went Down to Georgia' thing, since you
do live in Georgia, with a twist.
I'm picturing the reader, you, focusing on being the VILLAIN in the
Villanelle, like everybody has made you out to be such a vanity
villain here for so long, and this poem is like your saying, "Fine,
you want me to be your villain; well here's THE definitive
Villanelle!!" ...
Maybe even like you're thinking "Villain L(ucifer)", like you and me
are just sneeky little devils trying to get pot legalized, or
something like that. Anyway, just author's notes. Take 'em or leave
'em. If you read any of my poems, please read it how you want to.
The Original Manuscript for my poem, 'The Villain L' is available
somewhere on a.a.p.c. if someone would please be so kind as to find it
and bring it up, I'd really appreciate it as I'm out of time for now,
see.
Corey Connor
>
> - Show quoted text -
Okay, so that's either my plan, or God's plan to save the planet, and
I really don't know which is which right now because I'm so not really
confused about anything right now that nothing but everything makes
sense to me when I talk to myself like this while typing madly with my
right hand stop please stop I want to get off now.
Cythera
> On Jan 13, 3:09 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 13, 10:40 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > No, it doesn't, Cythera. I'm a believer in "credit where due", while
> > > the entire reason for this conversation with you is the obvious fact
> > > that you do not believe this,
>
> > > and in fact omit "credit where due" in your own poetry on a regular basis.
>
> > You might be asked to prove this in court. I suggest you start
> > gathering your supposed evidence.
>
> I can state my opinion in court,
>
stated your opinion as a fact.
Will Dockery
>
> and explain to the court
Why did you snip my response just to ask me the same question again,
Cythera?
> I can state my opinion in court, and I'd refer to your Robert Morpheal
> adaptations as the basis for my opinion.
>
> But, okay, that's why "credit where due" is being quoted, because
> that's my opinion that the poet with the original idea should be
> credited... it was demonstrated to me long before this that credit to
> the person who wrote the poem the new poem is based on isn't required
> or expected, and that the "credit where due" belief is in my opinion.
>
> Are you saying, then, that you've always credited Robert Morpheal when
> you've borrowed poetry from him for the last decade?
That's my opinion, based on what I've seen of your poetry, as we've
gone over before, Cythera.
--
"Shadowville Speedway" CD on Artemis Records:
http://www.artemisrecords.net/dockeryconley.html
Will Dockery
I'll look for that particular version. Is that also the one George is
using in his blog?
Corey Connor
>
> - Show quoted text -
Will, please understand me clearly now. Forget my poem. You do not
have to do my poem. You must do as you like, and be yourself. The
concept here, the singular point I am making is what's important. You
are the worst villain in my life, Mr. Will Dockery, and I am coming
down to Georgia to see you. You ARE My Personal Villain L, and I love
you still, so people can call me a poet or not because I just don't
care anymore.
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
> have to do my poem. You must do as you like, and be yourself. The
> concept here, the singular point I am making is what's important. You
> are the worst villain in my life, Mr. Will Dockery, and I am coming
> down to Georgia to see you. You ARE My Personal Villain L, and I love
> you still, so people can call me a poet or not because I just don't care anymore.
I don't want to forget your poem, but there are a lot of things
happening, now and usually that I have to focus on... I see no reason
why I can't get a good rendition of one of your poems done, just not
on a deadline, as I discussed at the start, with George Dance about
this proposed project:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/3f646bfa5ed5f7ef
> > > You'll have to be a bit more specific. We can discuss it now, or we
> > > can wait a while. For my part, I'd be honored if you'd read and/or
> > > record anything I've written. Whatever sense you can make of any of
> > > my gobbledy-poems is fine by me. If you want to read them serious, or
> > > all ironical like is entirely up to you. I've posted stuff here, and
> > > there's stuff on my blog. Anything you take a fancy to, please help
> > > yourself. If you want some help or suggestions, just say so, but I
> > > know you'll do a great job with them either way. Thanks for your time.
> > My first thought when it came up, speaking of specific, was did you
> > have any specific (that may not be the right word) piece of yours in
> > mind when you first mentioned the idea?
> No. Come on, Will: he's asking you to go through his work and pick a
> piece; assuming that you're familiar with some of his work, or that
> you will become so in the course of picking. That's what every writer
> wants, readers who know (some of) their writing; I think you know that.
Will Dockery: Yes, and I'm reminded that yet another year has gone by
without my
completing the long-promised "Country Woman" song... jeeze, the years
clip by so fast & there's always some new thing I'm working on. I
thought of that when reading this, as a matter of fact, and the one I
wanted to do with Blackpool Jimmy that I never got to. In fact, the
only project of this sort that actually materialized was the Zorro
piece with Benders, and that just happened to fall into place almost
immediately:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G64jUD1tRRA
So, while these side-project collaborations look easy and
interesting,
fitting them in with everything else going on can be difficult,
possibly impossible in the end, and I guess I should state that from
the get-go.
George Dance: It's reasonable to think that a project based on an idea
of your own,
or of someone you're in contact with, would get priority. It's
possible that the Zorro proect just came along at the right place and
time, when there wasn't anything competing; that would explain why it
happened "almost immediately."
I guess the thing to do is not consider such projects as binding, as
intentions rather than commitments. You put it aside till you're
ready
to work on it; by the same token, if someone else comes along who
wants to work on it now, I'll give it to him.
If you're agreeable to that, I'll throw a second song into the mix:
"Always There." Like CW, it's a country song; but unlike CW, which is
more a parody, AT is a sincere one with a simple Hank Williams Sr.-
type melody.
For both those, as I've said, you have freedom to add lyrics and list
yourself as a co-writer of same. The only condition is I have to
approve them, meaning they'd (probably) have to scan as well as, and
(certainly) be consistent in voice with, the rest of the piece.
--
Music & poetry of Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Will Dockery
<snip for focus>
> if you know where I can cop some primo shit down there
Absolutely not, Corey, and please don't ask me questions like this
again... thanks!
Meat Plow
> On Jan 14, 12:12 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't want to forget your poem, but there are a lot of things
>> happening, now and usually that I have to focus on... I see no reason
>> why I can't get a good rendition of one of your poems done, just not on
>> a deadline, as I discussed at the start, with George Dance about this
>> proposed project:
>
> Hey Will, sorry to cut you off, but ease your mind, seriously. No
> worries. You can't forget my poem now. It's in there, spinning circles
> in your head, windmills in your mind, and you don't even know it's
> working. I mean, look how well you're writing all of a sudden, and look
> how clearly you're thinking and acting. You are a marvelous human
> being, Will, and I truly, truly mean that. Just be ready to party when
> I get there, and if you know where I can cop some primo shit down there,
> just clue me in when I get to town. We're really going to have a
> wonderful time, Will.
LOL you're such a bad troll.
--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
Will Dockery
As long as he doesn't try to connect me with illegal activities
(illegal where I live, anyhow), he's fine with me.
Cythera
> Cythera said:
>
>
>
> > and explain to the court
>
> Why did you snip my response just to ask me the same question again,
> Cythera?
>
> > I can state my opinion in court, and I'd refer to your Robert Morpheal
> > adaptations as the basis for my opinion.
>
> > But, okay, that's why "credit where due" is being quoted, because
> > that's my opinion that the poet with the original idea should be
> > credited... it was demonstrated to me long before this that credit to
> > the person who wrote the poem the new poem is based on isn't required
> > or expected, and that the "credit where due" belief is in my opinion.
>
obpoems away from their original context.
Compare how I've posted mine to how these were posted:
>
Betty: on George Dance's blog and for sale
Fuji-san: on same blog
Cohen's haiku
>
schwinns
the re-do of Dale's "Potholder Day"
>
everything Lysaught copy-pasted from the Web to aapc
>
> > Are you saying, then, that you've always credited Robert Morpheal when
> > you've borrowed poetry from him for the last decade?
>
are replies to posts that contain both the first author's name *and*
poem.
What more do you want?
George Dance
> Compare how I've posted mine to how these were posted:
>
> Cohen's haiku
>
What is the difference between how "Cohen's haiku" was posted, and how
your verse from Yeats was posted, hypocrite? Let's hear it.
Cythera
able to recognize where the verse came from. If you had to google it,
that's your issue, not mine. He didn't need to be told who wrote it.
In contrast, who recognized Cohen's haiku, and why did you use neither
quotation marks nor block quote format to indicate you were quoting
someone?
George Dance
> On Jan 14, 11:48 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:> On Jan 14, 2:43 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > Compare how I've posted mine to how these were posted:
>
> > > Cohen's haiku
>
> > What is the difference between how "Cohen's haiku" was posted, and how
> > your verse from Yeats was posted, hypocrite? Let's hear it.
>
> Peter, to whom I posted Yeats's verse from "When You Are Old," was
> able to recognize where the verse came from.
And Karla, to whom I quoted the lines from Cohen's "Summer Haiku", was
able to recognize (or google) where they came from. So what?
Cythera
>
I guess you're trying to say that to you, "Summer Haiku" is as
recognizable as "When You Are Old."
That wouldn't explain, though, why you didn't use either quotation
marks or block quote format to indicate you were quoting
someone.
>
More: Peter told adam: "Too many clichés (... where love has fled),"
and when adam and I conversed (on aapc, I think) about his using my
"Spectre of Poe's Wife," I mentioned Yeats's "Love fled," saying I
would have liked it for my poem, but chose something else.
I felt someone besides Peter would understand why I quoted that
verse.
George Dance
> On Jan 14, 12:11 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 3:02 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 14, 11:48 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:> On Jan 14, 2:43 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Compare how I've posted mine to how these were posted:
>
> > > > > Cohen's haiku
>
> > > > What is the difference between how "Cohen's haiku" was posted, and how
> > > > your verse from Yeats was posted, hypocrite? Let's hear it.
>
> > > Peter, to whom I posted Yeats's verse from "When You Are Old," was
> > > able to recognize where the verse came from.
>
> > And Karla, to whom I quoted the lines from Cohen's "Summer Haiku", was
> > able to recognize (or google) where they came from.
>
> I read that Colin posted the author's name.
>
Yes, Colin recognized (or googled) it. Karla could have done the
same.
As I said, so what?
> I guess you're trying to say that to you, "Summer Haiku" is as
> recognizable as "When You Are Old."
It certainly was no more a secret who wrote it.
> That wouldn't explain, though, why you didn't use either quotation
> marks or block quote format to indicate you were quoting
> someone.
I thought I "explained" that by snipping it out: whether one uses
"quotation marks or block quote format" is irrelevant to questions of
plagiarism. Plagiarism is about not giving credit to an author, not
about formatting.
> More: Peter told adam: "Too many clichés (... where love has fled),"
> and when adam and I conversed (on aapc, I think) about his using my
> "Spectre of Poe's Wife," I mentioned Yeats's "Love fled," saying I
> would have liked it for my poem, but chose something else.
> I felt someone besides Peter would understand why I quoted that
> verse.
Once again: So what? Do you really think Karlythera couldn't
"understand" why I quoted that verse to her?
Cythera
> On Jan 14, 3:57 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 12:11 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 14, 3:02 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 14, 11:48 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:> On Jan 14, 2:43 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Compare how I've posted mine to how these were posted:
>
> > > > > > Cohen's haiku
>
> > > > > What is the difference between how "Cohen's haiku" was posted, and how
> > > > > your verse from Yeats was posted, hypocrite? Let's hear it.
>
> > > > Peter, to whom I posted Yeats's verse from "When You Are Old," was
> > > > able to recognize where the verse came from.
>
> > > And Karla, to whom I quoted the lines from Cohen's "Summer Haiku", was
> > > able to recognize (or google) where they came from.
>
> > I read that Colin posted the author's name.
>
> Yes, Colin recognized (or googled) it. Karla could have done the
> same.
>
> As I said, so what?
>
> > I guess you're trying to say that to you, "Summer Haiku" is as
> > recognizable as "When You Are Old."
>
> It certainly was no more a secret who wrote it.
>
>
> > That wouldn't explain, though, why you didn't use either quotation
> > marks or block quote format to indicate you were quoting
> > someone.
>
> I thought I "explained" that by snipping it out: whether one uses
> "quotation marks or block quote format" is irrelevant to questions of
> plagiarism. Plagiarism is about not giving credit to an author, not
> about formatting.
>
>
> > More: Peter told adam: "Too many clichés (... where love has fled),"
> > and when adam and I conversed (on aapc, I think) about his using my
> > "Spectre of Poe's Wife," I mentioned Yeats's "Love fled," saying I
> > would have liked it for my poem, but chose something else.
> > I felt someone besides Peter would understand why I quoted that
> > verse.
>
> Once again: So what? Do you really think Karlythera couldn't
> "understand" why I quoted that verse to her?
>
can't recognize what quotation marks or a block quote *means,* that's
your problem.
George Dance
> On Jan 14, 1:15 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 3:57 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 14, 12:11 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 14, 3:02 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 14, 11:48 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:> On Jan 14, 2:43 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Compare how I've posted mine to how these were posted:
>
> > > > > > > Cohen's haiku
>
> > > > > > What is the difference between how "Cohen's haiku" was posted, and how
> > > > > > your verse from Yeats was posted, hypocrite? Let's hear it.
>
> > > > > Peter, to whom I posted Yeats's verse from "When You Are Old," was
> > > > > able to recognize where the verse came from.
>
> > > > And Karla, to whom I quoted the lines from Cohen's "Summer Haiku", was
> > > > able to recognize (or google) where they came from.
>
> > > I read that Colin posted the author's name.
>
> > Yes, Colin recognized (or googled) it. Karla could have done the
> > same.
>
> > As I said, so what?
>
> > > I guess you're trying to say that to you, "Summer Haiku" is as
> > > recognizable as "When You Are Old."
>
> > It certainly was no more a secret who wrote it.
>
> To you.
>
To anyone.
> > > That wouldn't explain, though, why you didn't use either quotation
> > > marks or block quote format to indicate you were quoting
> > > someone.
>
> > I thought I "explained" that by snipping it out: whether one uses
> > "quotation marks or block quote format" is irrelevant to questions of
> > plagiarism. Plagiarism is about not giving credit to an author, not
> > about formatting.
>
> So you in no way indicated that you did not author "Summer Haiku."
>
Nor did you indicate that you did not author "When You Are Old."
> > > More: Peter told adam: "Too many clichés (... where love has fled),"
> > > and when adam and I conversed (on aapc, I think) about his using my
> > > "Spectre of Poe's Wife," I mentioned Yeats's "Love fled," saying I
> > > would have liked it for my poem, but chose something else.
> > > I felt someone besides Peter would understand why I quoted that
> > > verse.
>
> > Once again: So what? Do you really think Karlythera couldn't
> > "understand" why I quoted that verse to her?
>
> I don't know what you're babbling about.
You're claiming your quoting Yeats's poem without acknowledgement
wasn't plagiarism because the person you quoted it to could
"understand why I quoted" it. I'm pointing out that the person I
quoted Cohen's poem to could "understand why I quoted" it just as
easily.
> If you and anyone else here
> can't recognize what quotation marks or a block quote *means,*
They mean that you're quoting someone (in this case, someone you
didn't bother to credit).
> that's your problem.
PrettyStuzz
<86c6a796-2388-4d59...@f35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Cythera <cyt...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Remember Cynthia? She quoted Ross's maxim about how it's futile to argue
on Usenet.
Cythera
> In article
> <86c6a796-2388-4d59-bad1-a4b75c8dc...@f35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> Remember Cynthia?
>
The one who wrote in Linear A?
Cythera
> On Jan 14, 4:25 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
> > If you and anyone else here
> > can't recognize what quotation marks or a block quote *means,*
>
> They mean that you're quoting someone
>
George Dance
> On 13-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > who am I supposedly jealous of?
>
> You can't answer the question.
Not without you snipping it again.
Karla
<george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>On Jan 13, 6:14 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> Cythera said:
>> >> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> > >>>Cythera said:
>>
>> > > > > > > And bending down beside the glowing bars,
>> > > > > > > Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
>> > > > > > > And paced upon the mountains overhead
>> > > > > > > And hid his face among a crowd of stars.
>>
>> > > > > > > -William Butler Yeats
>>
>> > > > > > We know.
>>
>> > > > > Then why not take the time to credit the writer?
>>
>> > > > Especially when she's whined and cried for over a year that not
>> > > > crediting the author means you're plagiarizing and stealing -- if
>> > > > you're one of the so-called "stupid people".
>>
>> > > Well, Cythera has proven, with her borrowed poetry and continuous
>> > > ommission of credit where due, that she has no respect for poets.
>>
>> > I'm surprised
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I'm not surprised, since you've made a habit of this sort of thing for
>> at least a decade now, Cythera.
>
>It wouldn't be so bad if she didn't trot around AAPC calling some
>people (but not others) thieves plagiarists and for doing the same
>thing.
>
>Looking at ggamble's *shit people* list -
>
>http://tinyurl.com/the-sp-2
>
>- that makes 5 who've now been caught posting others'
>poetry or lyrics without attribution (Gamble himself, Houstman, PJ,
>Karla, and now Cythera), of course without ever a peep of protest from
>anyone else on that list.
Wrong. I attributed the poem to the author. What I didn't do is credit the
translator, and admitted that it hadn't occurred to me do to so.
And I also didn't try to pass the poem off as mine.
By the way, I think you're reaching here. Yeats' poem is right up there
with Shakespeare, and I bet most people would think a poetry group would
know it. I find it in anthologies and kids have been reading it in school
for years now. In fact, I think it's part of being so famous. When one
repeats their lines, the listener/reader thinks 'Shakespeare' or 'Yeats' or
'Keats'. Or Matthew Arnold:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2011/01/17/110117crci_cinema_lane?currentPage=2
Of course, if I were writing an essay, or judged my audience to be
unfamiliar with poetry, I would include the attribution. And I think that I
would give credit to any contemporary writer in any company. Most just
haven't earned that kind of glory.
Lastly, what is really going on? Some of us think that George was trying
to pass Cohen's poem off as his own. Some of us think he was being sloppy.
Those who thought the former did raise a stink. George, like Sarah Palin,
failed to apologize and adopted the role of the victim. So now posts like
Cythera's get hounded to death. Who here really thinks that Cythera was
trying to pass Yeats' poem off as her own? As I said before, I don't. She
was responding to comments made by PJR about Adam's poem. PJR pointed out
wornout language. Cythera provided a source. It was all so normal.
ggamble
On 14-Jan-2011, Karla <kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> >- that makes 5 who've now been caught posting others'
> >poetry or lyrics without attribution (Gamble himself, Houstman, PJ,
> >Karla, and now Cythera),
Ho hum, another day, another new set of lies from mensageorge.
lie, mensageorge,
lie.
ggamble
On 14-Jan-2011, George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > > who am I supposedly jealous of?
> >
> > You can't answer the question.
>
> Not without you snipping it again.
Seriously,
You seriously think I'm jealous of you?
good one
George Dance
> On Jan 14, 1:42 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:> On Jan 14, 4:25 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
didn't bother to credit).
>
> yay
You're proud of "forgetting" to credit the person whose poem you're
using?
Will Dockery
<snip for focus>
> Here's what you overlook, and only you know why:
No time like the present, I suppose, see below.
> I don't take my
> obpoems away from their original context.
>
> dockery, you've seen my obpoems on Usenet, so you've seen that they
> are replies to posts that contain both the first author's name *and* poem.
Okay, you have a point, Cythera... and for additional example I can
note that in twice that you've used/parodied my poetry, you went the
extra step and added "Based on a poem by Will Dockery":
"Fawn Greyhound" (rewrite by Cythera):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/ed9016d31de6b7c2
"Corning Town" (rewrite by Cythera):
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/91a74f3c5909e2dd?hl=en
The point that you never took, say, your adaptations of Morpheal's
poetry off Usenet, which was the major move both Bishop and Cook did
when they stole Karla's "April" and my "Karma Bombs", respectively is
a good one... and a defining one.
So, this apparently being the case, my (belated) apologies.
George Dance
> On 14-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > > who am I supposedly jealous of?
>
> > > You can't answer the question.
>
> > Not without you snipping it again.
>
> Seriously,
>
> You seriously think I'm jealous of you?
>
That's not what I said ~garypoet~. Next time, read before you snip.
>
>
>
> good one
Will Dockery
> On Jan 15, 1:57 am, "ggamble" <g...@burnout.net> wrote:
>> On 14-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > > > who am I supposedly jealous of?
>
> > > > You can't answer the question.
>
> > > Not without you snipping it again.
>
> > Seriously,
>
> > You seriously think I'm jealous of you?
>
> That's not what I said ~garypoet~. Next time, read before you snip.
>
> > good one
Roundabout, perhaps, since Gary does seem to resent and shows some
signs of jealousy towards the MENSA group.
--
Greybeard Cavalier 2011 / Will Dockery (vocals) * Sandy Madaris
(vocals) * Brian Fowler (banjo) * Jon White (dobro) * Gene Woolfok,
Jr. (flute) * Produced by Dan Davidson January 1 2011, based on the
song by Will Dockery, Brian Fowler & P.D. Wilson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEB75l_G8M
George Dance
> On Jan 15, 4:07 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 1:57 am, "ggamble" <g...@burnout.net> wrote:
> >> On 14-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > who am I supposedly jealous of?
>
> > > > > You can't answer the question.
>
> > > > Not without you snipping it again.
>
> > > Seriously,
>
> > > You seriously think I'm jealous of you?
>
> > That's not what I said ~garypoet~. Next time, read before you snip.
>
> > > good one
>
> Roundabout, perhaps, since Gary does seem to resent and shows some
> signs of jealousy towards the MENSA group.
>
I did notice he's the one who brought up being jealous of me. I hope
everyone notices that. I can't imagine why.
Who knows, maybe jealousy is why he gives you such a hard time, too.
George Dance
> Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > Here's what you overlook, and only you know why:
>
> No time like the present, I suppose, see below.
>
> > I don't take my
> > obpoems away from their original context.
>
> > dockery, you've seen my obpoems on Usenet, so you've seen that they
> > are replies to posts that contain both the first author's name *and* poem.
>
Not always, of course. Cythera reposted her edit of morpheal's
sleeping beauty poem at least three times, only once with his name and
the poem attached.
> Okay, you have a point, Cythera... and for additional example I can
> note that in twice that you've used/parodied my poetry, you went the
> extra step and added "Based on a poem by Will Dockery":
>
> "Fawn Greyhound" (rewrite by Cythera):
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/ed9016d31...
>
> "Corning Town" (rewrite by Cythera):
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/91a74f3c...
>
> The point that you never took, say, your adaptations of Morpheal's
> poetry off Usenet
Actually, last I read Cythera was refusing to say whether she's done
that or not. Maybe there's something later that I missed, though.
, which was the major move both Bishop and Cook did
> when they stole Karla's "April" and my "Karma Bombs", respectively is
> a good one... and a defining one.
>
> So, this apparently being the case, my (belated) apologies.
>
They might not be fully deserved, but you probably did the right thing
here.
Will Dockery
> On Jan 15, 4:20 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Jan 15, 4:07 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> > On Jan 15, 1:57 am, "ggamble" <g...@burnout.net> wrote:
> > >> On 14-Jan-2011, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > who am I supposedly jealous of?
>
> > > > > > You can't answer the question.
>
> > > > > Not without you snipping it again.
>
> > > > Seriously,
>
> > > > You seriously think I'm jealous of you?
>
> > > That's not what I said ~garypoet~. Next time, read before you snip.
>
> > > > good one
>
> > Roundabout, perhaps, since Gary does seem to resent and shows some
> > signs of jealousy towards the MENSA group.
>
> I did notice he's the one who brought up being jealous of me. I hope
> everyone notices that. I can't imagine why.
>
> Who knows, maybe jealousy is why he gives you such a hard time, too.
He has stated (maybe still archived) that I am what he "might have
been."
Will Dockery
Bottom line is that I've come to believe that Cythera didn't intend to
infringe Robert Morpheal, as the last dozen or so posts with her
obpoems on his show, as she makes it clear that Morpheal originated
the poems. In some perpective, she actually gives him sole credit in a
way, with "Robert Morpheal wrote:" at top-post.
--
Greybeard Cavalier 2011 / Will Dockery (vocals) * Sandy Madaris
(vocals) * Brian Fowler (banjo) * Jon White (dobro) * Gene Woolfok,
Jr. (flute) * Produced by Dan Davidson January 1 2011, based on the
song by Will Dockery, Brian Fowler & P.D. Wilson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEB75l_G8M
> --
Cythera
> On Jan 15, 2:47 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> > > are replies to posts that contain both the first author's name *and* poem.
>
> Not always, of course. Cythera reposted her edit
>
>
> of morpheal's sleeping beauty poem
>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.surrealism/msg/76eb17823770907b
>
> at least three times, only once with his name and the poem attached.
>
"... the quoted matter is used as raw material, transformed in the
creation of new information, new aesthetics, new insights and
understandings--this is the very type of activity that the fair use
doctrine intends to protect for the enrichment of society."
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformativeness
ggamble
On 15-Jan-2011, Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> does seem to resent and shows some
> signs of jealousy towards
Isn't that cute?
mensageorge and his little buddy are gang trolling me.
George Dance
> On 15-Jan-2011, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> mensageorge and his little buddy are gang trolling
Poor baby. Maybe you should call my local police again.