Foster Care as a Job
J.
most bizarre insurance dispute I've ever been involved in.
A personally disturbing element of the case is the fact that the
couple were, until 2 years ago, foster parents to a special needs
child who had lived with them for many years. Yet, when I asked the
woman to detail her employment history, she unequivocally
characterized her foster care as her employment for more than 10
years. The child appears to have been little more than a source of
revenue, producing between $1100 and $1400 US per month, of which less
than $400 was viewed as intended to pay for the child's needs. The
balance was viewed as, in essence, non-taxable salary. (A PCA also
was authorized, for up to 60 hours per week. Family members typically
filled that role as well.)
At the end of the child's period of foster care, she slept on a daybed
in the home's main entryway, while biological family members shared
the three bedrooms.
It's not appropriate for me to share any more details at this time.
But those details, and this peek into the life of this little girl,
makes me glad that the couple is no longer licensed to provide foster
care.
J.
rkb...@pacific.net.sg
> It's not appropriate for me to share any more details at this time.
> But those details, and this peek into the life of this little girl,
> makes me glad that the couple is no longer licensed to provide foster
> care.
>
> J.
I'm coming to the conclusion that money corrupts even more than power.
Greegor
J. > It's been a busy few days for me,
J. > deposing a couple in perhaps the
J. > most bizarre insurance dispute
J. > I've ever been involved in.
J. >
J. > A personally disturbing element
J. > of the case is the fact that the
J. > couple were, until 2 years ago,
J. > foster parents to a special needs
J. > child who had lived with them
J. > for many years. Yet, when I
J. > asked the woman to detail her
J. > employment history, she
J. > unequivocally characterized her
J. > foster care as her employment
J. > for more than 10 years. The
J. > child appears to have been little
J. > more than a source of revenue,
J. > producing between $1100 and $1400
J. > US per month, of which less
J. > than $400 was viewed as intended
J. > to pay for the child's needs. The
J. > balance was viewed as, in essence,
J. > non-taxable salary. (A PCA also
J. > was authorized, for up to 60
J. > hours per week. Family members
J. > typically filled that role as well.)
J. >
J. > At the end of the child's period
J. > of foster care, she slept on a
J. > daybed in the home's main entryway,
J. > while biological family members
J. > shared the three bedrooms.
J. >
J. > It's not appropriate for me to share
J. > any more details at this time.
J. > But those details, and this peek
J. > into the life of this little girl,
J. > makes me glad that the couple is
J. > no longer licensed to provide
J. > foster care.
RKB > I'm coming to the conclusion that
RKB > money corrupts even more than power.
Years ago a foster contractor was quoted
as saying to others that if they just got
one more foster kid they could quit their job.
The kid you described (requiring a health aide)
would be categorized as "special needs" which
makes it easier to get housing grants to build
on another room, and many other benefits.
Fosters are insured like a business and
granted vacation relief like a business.
Told you so.
Dan Sullivan
> Years ago a foster contractor was quoted
> as saying to others that if they just got
> one more foster kid they could quit their job.
Could quit?
Or would need to quit?
> The kid you described (requiring a health aide)
> would be categorized as "special needs" which
> makes it easier to get housing grants to build
> on another room, and many other benefits.
Did these people get housing grants?
And if so, how much?
> Fosters are insured like a business and
> granted vacation relief like a business.
What kind of insurance did being foster parents get these people?
Did these people get vacation relief?
And specifically what was it?
> Told you so.
You didn't tell us anything.
Except mere speculation and unfounded rumors.
Ron
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Could quit?
> Told you so.
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Wow gregg, I need to find out about all this. Just where would I go to get
one of those grants there gregg? I could use an extra room on the old shack
here, and if I could get some government agency or charitable concern to
help pay for it, well that would be the cats whiskers! While we are at it,
maybe you can tell me where I can find a state or region where $222 will
provide for all the needs of a child every month. Housing, heat,
electricity, food, water, you know, all the little things that make life
livable.
I have to provide my own insurance, at my own cost. Just like every other
Joe out there. But not greggs.
Ron
Dan Sullivan
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote in message
You could move to Iowa and grag could show you all the landlords he
screwed out of the rent!!!
Dad
> At the end of the child's period of foster care, she slept on a daybed
> in the home's main entryway, while biological family members shared
> the three bedrooms.
It really bothers me when foster children are treated this way. I
can't imagine taking in a child and treating them as "less than"
family. WTF goes through the minds of some foster parents? The kids
have been through enough trauma, like they need a constant reminder
that they're some kind of sub species.
Grrrr - that's simply inexcusable.
> It's not appropriate for me to share any more details at this time.
> But those details, and this peek into the life of this little girl,
> makes me glad that the couple is no longer licensed to provide foster
> care.
Me, too.
Whatever happened to the little girl?
Dad
J.
She's with another foster family.
J.
kippah...@hotmail.com
Wew! One with her interests at heart, I hope.
> J.
Greegor
Why do you only get $222 Ron?
Other states pay fosters considerably more.
Nebraska is ripping you off!
Tell Dan about how respite care is provided
so you can take a vacation.
Tell him the state has malpractice insurance
set up on you.
Dan Sullivan
How much is he supposed to get, grag?
> Other states pay fosters considerably more.
But Ron doesn't live in "other states."
> Nebraska is ripping you off!
How much is he supposed to get, grag?
> Tell Dan about how respite care is provided
> so you can take a vacation.
You can post that information, grag.
> Tell him the state has malpractice insurance
> set up on you.
You tell me. grag, and post the proof.
Dragon's Girl
Ron
"Greegor" <Gree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ya know gregg, I have been telling you the amount that Nebraska reimburses
now for what, 10 years? And you just now clue in?
Tell Dan about how respite care is provided
so you can take a vacation.
***
Can do. I find the respite provider myself, get it priced, and pay for it
out of the monthly reimbursement that the state gives me. I have paid as
much as $300 for a single weekend and as little as $50.
Tell him the state has malpractice insurance
set up on you.
***
If they do they dont tell me about it. I pay for my own insurance gregg, as
I said before. Its not all that costly, but then again I dont get
reimbursed for it.
Ron
Ron
"Dragon's Girl" <betty...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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http://dcfs.co.la.ca.us/policy/hndbook%20fce/E070/NationalRates.htm
***
Now thats a link I think I'll keep around for a while. Thanks DG!
Ron
Dragon's Girl
> "Dragon's Girl" <bettywir...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Sure, no problem, by the way, didn't someone say that you live in
Nebraska?
Here is what is says about Nebraska foster care payments (just so's
we can set Greg's mind at ease):
NEBRASKA
FOSTER CARE RATES UPDATED DECEMBER 2005
Rates of Payment
Payments for foster family care are based on the age and special needs
of the child. Foster care rates start at $222 per month for young
children with few or no special needs. Higher payments are made for
children with more severe physical, behavioral, or emotional needs.
This monthly payment is to assist with costs of board and room care
and supervision, clothing, allowance, transportation, regular respite
care, and other usual costs of maintaining a child.
Additional Expenses: Child care may be paid for during the hours that
both Foster Parents work in a two-parent home and during the work
hours of a single parent.
Emergency Shelter Payment: This payment is made for a licensed home
that has signed an Emergency Shelter Care (ESC) contract and cares for
a child 30 days or less.
Clothing Expenses: The child’s clothing allowance is included in the
monthly foster care payment and should maintain the child’s wardrobe
at a reasonable standard. When a child first enters the foster care
system, an initial clothing allowance is available. In cases of
extreme need at a later time, an additional clothing payment may be
possible.
Wow, you guys have it even worse than Missouri. You don't get a
yearly clothing allowance, and the $222 is intended to pay for every
need that the child has other than child care during working hours!
That's a paltry amount of money to care for a child, and think about
it, if the child is an infant and arrives with no bottles, blankets,
clothes, formula, diapers, etc, then you have to immediately go out
and get those things right off the bat. If they're teens? Sheesh,
that wouldn't pay for my teens clothes, shoes, athletic equipment,
cost of activities, etc, I mean, wow.
Anywho, I hope this settles Greg's years long question (repetitive
question) once and for all.
Good day...
Betty
Steve White
<d1fcb069-676a-4ded...@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
"rkb...@pacific.net.sg" <rkb...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
How do you separate the two?
steve
Steve White
<c2204e14-781f-4f63...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"J." <jmd...@aol.com> wrote:
I'll just bet that if you went through the foster system with an
appropriately fine-toothed comb you'd find more stories like this one.
steve
Greegor
> "Greegor" <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Ron, Most states PAY or provide free respite care
to fosters. It does NOT come out of your stipend.
Is Nebraska ripping you off, Ron?
> Tell him the state has malpractice insurance
> set up on you.
>
> ***
> If they do they dont tell me about it.
> I pay for my own insurance gregg,
> as I said before. Its not all that
> costly, but then again I dont get
> reimbursed for it.
Your insurance covers the foster kids?
How is that, Ron?
You didn't KNOW about the state coverage
for malpractice?? LOL
Ask them, Ron!
They like hearing that question! LOL
Dragon's Girl
He's cleaning up already, according to you, so what's your beef?
kat
"Steve White" <st...@spam.me.never> wrote in message
news:steve-081690....@news.giganews.com...
Absolutely. Both my mother-in-law and my biological mother took in foster
children. Money was definitely one reason. Both had alcoholic husbands and
a home environment that was not good for raising children although both had
children of their own. I hope the screening is better nowadays but I'm not
hopeful that that is the case :(
Kathy 1
Ron
Ask them, Ron!
***
Wow gregg, you are a wealth of information! What a deep well of incorrect
data you are! I am so glad that we have your depth and breadth of wisdom
and knowledge here, without which of course we could all be both rich and
famous.
Ron