Death penalty opponents and Obama
Dänk 1010011010
lethal injection in Virginia about an hour ago.
President Obama could have issued an order of clemency but chose not
to. Oddly, the same death penalty opponents who used to call
President Bush a mass murderer for his refusal to halt executions are
remaining unusually silent about President Obama's refusal to halt
this execution.
There seems to be a trend among the political left to refuse to
criticize Barack Obama for continuing the same policies that President
Bush was viciously attacked for. For example, the "anti-war" movement
that used to demand the immediate withdrawal of troops from
Afghanistan and Iraq now don't seem particularly concerned that Obama
has chosen to continue both wars indefinitely.
The "anti-war" movement was largely an anti-Bush movement, and has
lost momentum now that Bush is no longer president. The same goes for
the anti-death penalty movement: since the death penalty debate has
been traditionally defined in terms of left/right, liberal/
conservative, it is inconvenient for the political left to attack one
of their own for continuing perceived 'conservative' policies such as
war or executions.
Jigsaw1695
Really no surprise in this one.
Jigsaw
Rush Dittoballs
"D�nk 1010011010" <dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:012e3dbe-1501-4041...@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> The "anti-war" movement was largely an anti-Bush movement, and has
What anti-war movement? Are you on LSD?
John Rennie
Especially as Obama has stated unequivocally that he is pro Death
Penalty - one of those presidential campaign statements that has
to be made if you want to win.
Jigsaw1695
>
> - Show quoted text -
Obama has said a lot of things. So far he has been long pon promise
and short on delivery.
Jigsaw
John Rennie
Don't equivocate, jiggy. He said he was pro DP so
thrashing around on this one merely proves yet again
that you're an old racist twit.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Especially as Obama has stated unequivocally that he is pro Death
> Penalty - one of those presidential campaign statements that has
> to be made if you want to win.
I think Obama tries to avoid any battle over what he considers
a political minor point and he goes for what is important.
He is of the same opinion on guns as on the DP, he will, in
reality, let the legal system handle it. He knows he
can't be a leader if there are no potential followers.
If I were running for public office I would do that same
thing on guns and the DP. As I have said in the past
"hypocrisy is next to Godliness"
Donna Evleth
> From: D�nk 1010011010 <dan...@rocketmail.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups:
> soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.liberalism,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.death-
> penalty,alt.impeach.bush
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:38:03 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Death penalty opponents and Obama
I will go on record right now to state that Obama's support for the death
penalty is one of the points on which I disagree with him. I knew about
this support when I voted for him, but since the Republican candidate was
also pro-death penalty, I had no choice in that area. In the United States,
to be elected, you must profess at least some support for the death penalty.
I am an abolitionist. I admit that my main reason is subjective and
emotional: I cannot imagine myself sticking a needle into someone's arm and
letting poison flow. Since I cannot do it myself, I am also opposed to
others doing it supposedly in my name.
On the other hand, I find John Allen Muhammed to be a repulsive individual,
and cannot defend his actions in any way. I shall not miss him.
Donna Evleth
John Rennie
"Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue"
I think Oscar Wilde has defines it better than you, Earl.
Mitchell Holman
4041-97c0-2...@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
> The infamous "D.C. Sniper," John Allen Muhammed, was just executed by
> lethal injection in Virginia about an hour ago.
>
> President Obama could have issued an order of clemency but chose not
> to. Oddly, the same death penalty opponents who used to call
> President Bush a mass murderer for his refusal to halt executions are
> remaining unusually silent about President Obama's refusal to halt
> this execution.
What authority does the president have to
grant clemency in a state case?
>
> There seems to be a trend among the political left to refuse to
> criticize Barack Obama for continuing the same policies that President
> Bush was viciously attacked for. For example, the "anti-war" movement
> that used to demand the immediate withdrawal of troops from
> Afghanistan and Iraq now don't seem particularly concerned that Obama
> has chosen to continue both wars indefinitely.
Now you are just lying.
Obama announces Iraq troop pullout plan
Feb 28, 2009
In a speech at a Marine Corps base in North Carolina,
Mr Obama said most US troops would leave Iraq by August
31, 2010. "Let me say this as plainly as I can: by
August 31, 2010 our combat mission in Iraq will end,"
Mr Obama said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/28/2503871.htm
Iraq Troop Pullout on Track
June 16 2009
BAGHDAD -- The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. Ray Odierno,
said American combat troops are on schedule to leave Iraqi
cities by the end of June as planned, and that the U.S. so
far has closed or handed over to the Iraqi government 142
former American installations.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124507215789015077.html
Mitchell Holman
news:02dcf7e4-0766-498a...@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
What authority does the president have to
grant clemency in a state case, Jiggy?
And what else are you ready to blame Obama
for that he in fact has no control over?
Earl Evleth
Xns9CC0536ECD402...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> What authority does the president have to
> grant clemency in a state case?
None that I know of. His power is limited to the Federal domain,
I thought.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> "hypocrisy is next to Godliness"
>>
>
> "Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue"
>
> I think Oscar Wilde has defines it better than you, Earl.
I mentioned God, he did not.
Mitchell Holman
evl...@wanadoo.fr:
True enough.
Only governors can pardon/grant clemency in state cases.
John Rennie
answer, Mitch.
PJ O'Donovan
> Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in news:C7208CA3.188281%
> evl...@wanadoo.fr:
>
> > On 11/11/09 15:11, in article
> > <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> What authority does the president have to
> >> grant clemency in a state case?
>
> > None that I know of. His power is limited to the Federal domain,
> > I thought.
>
> True enough.
>
> Only governors can pardon/grant clemency in state cases.
Your extremist liberal friends infesting the Court do not agree with
you Holeman.
Supreme Court rejects sniper's appeal
By Josh White and Robert BarnesWashington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
"...Supreme Court justices John Paul Stevens, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and
Sonia Sotomayor objected to the court's haste in declining Muhammad's
case Monday,...."
Dänk 1010011010
> >> lost momentum now that Bush is no longer president. The same goes for
> >> the anti-death penalty movement: since the death penalty debate has
> >> been traditionally defined in terms of left/right, liberal/
> >> conservative, it is inconvenient for the political left to attack one
> >> of their own for continuing perceived 'conservative' policies such as
> >> war or executions.
>
> > Really no surprise in this one.
> >
> > Jigsaw
>
> Especially as Obama has stated unequivocally that he is pro Death
> Penalty - one of those presidential campaign statements that has
> to be made if you want to win.
I've actually heard leftists claim that Obama often doesn't mean what
he says. For example, gays insist that Obama supports same-sex
marriage, despite being on record as saying he opposes it. Gays
defend Obama's statement on the grounds that he didn't really mean it,
that he just said it to get elected.
That Obama supposedly lies to the public to get elected does not seem
to bother them, because they know whatever he says that they agree
with (such as his promise to repeal DADT) is the truth.
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> On Nov 11, 10:41 am, John 'Reichstag' Rennie wrote:
>> Philip 'Shit-For-Brains' Bruzzichesi wrote:
Translation: you're a fucking retarded bastard who lies to boot.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones
who attacked us in America on September the 11th'
(George W. Bush, 12 July 2007)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Donna Evleth
> From: John Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net>
> Reply-To: john-...@talktalk.net
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:07:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: Death penalty opponents and Obama
I'm not so sure. So many of the "Godly" are so hypocritical.
Donna Evleth
John Rennie
Are you under the impression that some politicians don't lie?
If so you living under a dangerous delusion. All of them lie,
some lie well some lie badly. If they were silly enough to
let the truth pass their lips you would not have heard of them.
Roy Blankenship
"Jigsaw1695" <Jigsa...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:653b8ee9-230c-4294...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 10, 7:38?pm, D?nk 1010011010 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> The infamous "D.C. Sniper," John Allen Muhammed, was just executed by
> lethal injection in Virginia about an hour ago.
>
> President Obama could have issued an order of clemency but chose not
> President Bush a mass murderer for his refusal to halt executions are
> remaining unusually silent about President Obama's refusal to halt
> this execution.
>
> There seems to be a trend among the political left to refuse to
> criticize Barack Obama for continuing the same policies that President
> that used to demand the immediate withdrawal of troops from
> Afghanistan and Iraq now don't seem particularly concerned that Obama
> has chosen to continue both wars indefinitely.
>
> The "anti-war" movement was largely an anti-Bush movement, and has
> the anti-death penalty movement: since the death penalty debate has
> been traditionally defined in terms of left/right, liberal/
> conservative, it is inconvenient for the political left to attack one
> of their own for continuing perceived 'conservative' policies such as
> war or executions.
>Really no surprise in this one.
>Jigsaw
Bush was criticized for executing retarded people in the State of Texas. Is
there some convenient reason that information was left out of this opinion?
I am disappointed that the wars are ongoing, but I contend there is
something about this situation that we as the people of the USA are not
being told. There seems to be something Congress knows that we don't. Any
guesses?
I would also like to make analogy here. If you ordered two large pizzas and
were criticized for not eating them both in 15 minutes, would you be
annoyed? Obama has so much on his plate, not everything is going to happen
as soon as we need it to, so I think everyone needs to just wait. We are
seeing progress after 8 years of hell and daily lies, so......
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> Philip 'Shit-For-Brains' Bruzzichesi <jigsa...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Obama has said a lot of things. So far he has been long pon promise and
>> short on delivery.
> What authority does the president have to grant clemency in a state
> case, Jiggy?
What a surprise, eh? Shit-For-Brains hasn't answered ...
> And what else are you ready to blame Obama for that he in fact has
> no control over?
The weather ... the tides ... the plight of the lesser spotted amoeba...
Mitchell Holman
fc53a6...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
The Supreme Court cannot grant clemency or issue pardons
in ANY case, even federal, much less state.
They found no constitutional violations in this man's trial,
so they upheld the verdict.
See the difference?
Mitchell Holman
news:oOCdnRcWK8l9UmfX...@giganews.com:
As if I care what Noles thinks..............
Roy Blankenship
> D�nk 1010011010 wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 10:41 am, John Rennie <john-ren...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> >> Jigsaw1695 wrote:
> >>>> The "anti-war" movement was largely an anti-Bush movement, and has
> >>>> lost momentum now that Bush is no longer president. The same goes for
> >>>> the anti-death penalty movement: since the death penalty debate has
> >>>> been traditionally defined in terms of left/right, liberal/
> >>>> conservative, it is inconvenient for the political left to attack one
> >>>> of their own for continuing perceived 'conservative' policies such as
> >>>> war or executions.
> >>> Really no surprise in this one.
> >>>
> >>> Jigsaw
> >> Especially as Obama has stated unequivocally that he is pro Death
> >> Penalty - one of those presidential campaign statements that has
> >> to be made if you want to win.
> >
> > I've actually heard
This is my favorite claim to knowledge, "I heard....". There you go, factual
and precise. "I heard...."
Get over yourself.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
Is Mitchell STILL spouting that rubbish? Of course the President has
absolutely NO POWER under the constitution to pardon ANYONE convicted
of a State crime. His powers are limited to federal crimes, and
crimes committed under military courts martial. See --
http://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm
Straight from the U.S. Department of Justice -- quote --
"Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as
those obtained in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned
by the President. In addition, the President's pardon power extends to
convictions obtained in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia
and military court-martial proceedings. However, the President cannot
pardon a state criminal offense."
I'm still waiting for Mitchell to admit he lied claiming a comment he
made was not his, when it certainly was.
Planet Visitor II
Mitchell Holman
news:Xns9CC0D367AFF46...@216.196.97.130:
> "PJ O'Donovan" <Xen...@aol.com> wrote in news:397e1dbf-3ed0-4ac0-98f0-
> fc53a6...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 11, 9:51�am, Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in news:C7208CA3.188281%
>>> evl...@wanadoo.fr:
>>>
>>> > On 11/11/09 15:11, in article
>>> > Xns9CC0536ECD402noemailcomcast...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
>>> > <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> What authority does the president have to
>>> >> grant clemency in a state case?
>>>
>>> > None that I know of. His power is limited to the Federal domain,
>>> > I thought. �
>>>
>>> � � True enough.
>>>
>>> � � Only governors can pardon/grant clemency in state cases.
>>
>> Your extremist liberal friends infesting the Court do not agree with
>> you Holeman.
>>
Your ignorance of legal matters is your problem.
The fact remains only governors can grant clemency
or pardons in state cases, and only the president can do
so in federal cases.
Laverenti Beria
It would have been political suicide. Everyone knows this villain
had to go down.
On Nov 10, 10:38 pm, Dänk 1010011010 <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> The infamous "D.C. Sniper," John Allen Muhammed, was just executed by
> lethal injection in Virginia about an hour ago.
>
> President Obama could have issued an order of clemency but chose not
> to. Oddly, the same death penalty opponents who used to call
> President Bush a mass murderer for his refusal to halt executions are
> remaining unusually silent about President Obama's refusal to halt
> this execution.
>
> There seems to be a trend among the political left to refuse to
> criticize Barack Obama for continuing the same policies that President
> Bush was viciously attacked for. For example, the "anti-war" movement
> that used to demand the immediate withdrawal of troops from
> Afghanistan and Iraq now don't seem particularly concerned that Obama
> has chosen to continue both wars indefinitely.
>
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> John 'Reichstag' Rennie wrote:
>> I've got a feeling Jim will be interested in that
>> answer, Mitch.
> As if I care what Noles thinks..............
As you'll have noticed, Rennie loves Noles, and hangs on his every word as
if it were nectar from the gods.
No wonder Noles's ego is the size of Texas...
Me
LOTS OF SELECTIVENESS; ALREADY AWAREDED THE NOBEL FOR BREAKING OFF
( and who believes that still?)
Donna Evleth
> From: Laverenti Beria <che...@yahoo.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups:
> soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.liberalism,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.death-
> penalty,alt.impeach.bush
> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:04:41 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: Death penalty opponents and Obama
>
>
> It would have been political suicide. Everyone knows this villain
> had to go down.
I am an abolitionist. But I also know how to face reality. Thus I can only
agree with the above statement.
Donna Evleth
>
*us*
i. e., being no different from them.
Planet Visitor II
LOL -- And you said I couldn't teach you anything.
-------------------------------------------------
"I really do think a President Obama will spend a good portion of his
first months in office pardoning African Americans who are
incarcerated because they didn't have enough money to hire big name
lawyers and win acquittals like OJ. The number of African Americans in
prison is disproportionate to the percentage of African Americans. A
president Obama will rectify this situation and pardon a substantial
number until the US prison population reflects the racial mix of the
US." -- Mitchell Holman, October 9, 2008
"The Preident (sic) of the US can pardon anyone he wishes without
asking anyone's permission. Any action by the Federal government
trumps the power of the state governments. But from a practical
standpoint if a President Obama pardoned someone in a state
penetentiary (sic), and the governor of that state tossed President
Obama's pardon in the wastebasket the African American community
across the country would rise up and America would be trashed from the
Atlantic to the Pacific. But considering how all the white racists
would suffer, that might not be such a bad thing, don't you think? --
Mitchell Holman, October 6, 2008
"I did not write that" -- Mitchell Holman, July 22, 2009
"I usually post a "Crow Eaten Here" correction when I get something
wrong" -- Mitchell Holman, July 14, 2009
--------------------------------------------------------
Mitchell, my son... pay attention... of course the president of the
United States cannot pardon anyone in a _State Penitentiary_.
Although you have often claimed that he can, and only now realize
just how unaware that is of the Constitutional limits of any
president.
The U.S. President does NOT have the power to pardon anyone convicted
of murder by a State court. Only Federal crimes are pardonable by the
president. See --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon
Quote --
"In the United States, the pardon power for Federal crimes is granted
to the President by the United States Constitution, Article II,
Section 2."
...
The pardon power of the President extends only to offenses cognizable
under U.S. Federal law. However, the governors of most states have the
power to grant pardons or reprieves for offenses under state criminal
law. In other states, that power is committed to an appointed agency
or board, or to a board and the governor in some hybrid arrangement."
Unquote
And it does appear that you are in support of a race war in the U.S.
Didn't Martin Luther King Jr. teach you anything??? Was his entire
life a waste as far as you're concerned?
Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
Apparently all you know how to do is insult, Mitchell. That's hardly
fair considering all the education I have provided you. But who ever
said you were "fair"?
Nonetheless, you have learned from me that the president is not
constitutionally allowed to commute or pardon any prisoner convicted
of a state crime.
Remember what you've said in the past --
-------------------------------------------------
"I really do think a President Obama will spend a good portion of his
first months in office pardoning African Americans who are
incarcerated because they didn't have enough money to hire big name
lawyers and win acquittals like OJ. The number of African Americans in
prison is disproportionate to the percentage of African Americans. A
president Obama will rectify this situation and pardon a substantial
number until the US prison population reflects the racial mix of the
US." -- Mitchell Holman, October 9, 2008
"The Preident (sic) of the US can pardon anyone he wishes without
asking anyone's permission. Any action by the Federal government
trumps the power of the state governments. But from a practical
standpoint if a President Obama pardoned someone in a state
penetentiary (sic), and the governor of that state tossed President
Obama's pardon in the wastebasket the African American community
across the country would rise up and America would be trashed from the
Atlantic to the Pacific. But considering how all the white racists
would suffer, that might not be such a bad thing, don't you think? --
Mitchell Holman, October 6, 2008
"I did not write that" -- Mitchell Holman, July 22, 2009
"I usually post a "Crow Eaten Here" correction when I get something
wrong" -- Mitchell Holman, July 14, 2009
--------------------------------------------------------
Now, my son... pay attention... of course the president of the
Planet Visitor II
LOL --
-------------------------------------------------
"I really do think a President Obama will spend a good portion of his
first months in office pardoning African Americans who are
incarcerated because they didn't have enough money to hire big name
lawyers and win acquittals like OJ. The number of African Americans in
prison is disproportionate to the percentage of African Americans. A
president Obama will rectify this situation and pardon a substantial
number until the US prison population reflects the racial mix of the
US." -- Mitchell Holman, October 9, 2008
"The Preident (sic) of the US can pardon anyone he wishes without
asking anyone's permission. Any action by the Federal government
trumps the power of the state governments. But from a practical
standpoint if a President Obama pardoned someone in a state
penetentiary (sic), and the governor of that state tossed President
Obama's pardon in the wastebasket the African American community
across the country would rise up and America would be trashed from the
Atlantic to the Pacific. But considering how all the white racists
would suffer, that might not be such a bad thing, don't you think? --
Mitchell Holman, October 6, 2008
"I did not write that" -- Mitchell Holman, July 22, 2009
"I usually post a "Crow Eaten Here" correction when I get something
wrong" -- Mitchell Holman, July 14, 2009
--------------------------------------------------------
Mitchell, my son... pay attention... of course the president of the
Planet Visitor II
LOL -- And you said I couldn't teach you anything.
-------------------------------------------------
Mitchell Holman
news:i1qpf5hc88ih2v5mi...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:47:49 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>John Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote in
>>news:oOCdnRcWK8l9UmfX...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in news:C7208CA3.188281%
>>>> evl...@wanadoo.fr:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/11/09 15:11, in article
>>>>> Xns9CC0536ECD402...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
>>>>> <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What authority does the president have to
>>>>>> grant clemency in a state case?
>>>>> None that I know of. His power is limited to the Federal domain,
>>>>> I thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True enough.
>>>>
>>>> Only governors can pardon/grant clemency in state cases.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I've got a feeling Jim will be interested in that
>>> answer, Mitch.
>>
>>
>>
>> As if I care what Noles thinks..............
>>
>
> Apparently all you know how to do is insult, Mitchell.
Not required when your posts provide so much entertainment.
"The fact is that every person believes that "murder is not
conceivable" in happening to them."
Jim ("Planet Visitor") Noles, Oct 13 2009, in a post that
will come as a surprise to every policemen who puts on a
bulletproof vest.
Taco Bell With Dripping Snot
>Nobody learns anything from killing the killers, i. e., being no different from them.
WHo needs to? We execute people to stop them from doing it again,
an inexpensive alternative to feeding them.
We should shoot *every* Bushite traitor and terrorist after a fair trial.
---
Does belief in astrology cause insanity? http://www.skeptictank.org/edm.htm
"Truth kills Republicans quicker than Iraq, H1N1 or AIDS." -- JC
Planet Visitor II
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>news:i1qpf5hc88ih2v5mi...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:47:49 -0600, Mitchell Holman
>> <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>John Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote in
>>>news:oOCdnRcWK8l9UmfX...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in news:C7208CA3.188281%
>>>>> evl...@wanadoo.fr:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/11/09 15:11, in article
>>>>>> Xns9CC0536ECD402...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
>>>>>> <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What authority does the president have to
>>>>>>> grant clemency in a state case?
>>>>>> None that I know of. His power is limited to the Federal domain,
>>>>>> I thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only governors can pardon/grant clemency in state cases.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I've got a feeling Jim will be interested in that
>>>> answer, Mitch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As if I care what Noles thinks..............
>>>
>>
>> Apparently all you know how to do is insult, Mitchell.
>
>
>
> Not required when your posts provide so much entertainment.
>
Yet you have that sociopathic obsession with doing so, Mitchell.
>
>
>"The fact is that every person believes that "murder is not
>conceivable" in happening to them."
>Jim ("Planet Visitor") Noles, Oct 13 2009, in a post that
>will come as a surprise to every policemen who puts on a
>bulletproof vest.
"I really do think a President Obama will spend a good portion of his
first months in office pardoning African Americans who are
incarcerated because they didn't have enough money to hire big name
lawyers and win acquittals like OJ. The number of African Americans in
prison is disproportionate to the percentage of African Americans. A
president Obama will rectify this situation and pardon a substantial
number until the US prison population reflects the racial mix of the
US." -- Mitchell Holman, October 9, 2008
"The Preident (sic) of the US can pardon anyone he wishes without
asking anyone's permission. Any action by the Federal government
trumps the power of the state governments. But from a practical
standpoint if a President Obama pardoned someone in a state
penetentiary (sic), and the governor of that state tossed President
Obama's pardon in the wastebasket the African American community
across the country would rise up and America would be trashed from the
Atlantic to the Pacific. But considering how all the white racists
would suffer, that might not be such a bad thing, don't you think? --
Mitchell Holman, October 6, 2008
In two posts that will come as a surprise to president Obama, given
that he cannot constitutionally pardon or parole any person White or
Black convicted of a state crime.
Planet Visitor II
Mitchell Holman
I didn't write that, you forging babboon.
John Rennie
*us*
Nothing is ever gained.
There is only loss.
Even the most murderous can't justify it.
*us*
Nothing is ever gained.
There is only loss.
There is no valid basis for it.
*us*
>From: * US *
>Nobody learns anything from killing the killers,
>i. e., being no different from them.
>
>JC: Now there's a statement of knowledge and faith! Its not suicide to
>speak right and do right in politics, its muder by the crimminals who
>disagree.
>
>���Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather]
>give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will
>repay, saith the Lord.
>���1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any [man]; but
>ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all [men].
>��
>��Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
>�
>� Matthew 9;13 : "Go and learn what this means,'I desire mercy, and
>not sacrifice.'
>��Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and
>ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: ��
>----------------------------------------------
>FORGIVE
>1) to set free
>2) to let go, dismiss, (to detain no longer) 2a) a petitioner to whom
>liberty to depart is given by a decisive answer 2b) to bid depart, send
>away
>3) to let go free, release
>3a) a captive i.e. to loose his bonds and bid him depart, to give him
>liberty to depart
>3b) to acquit one accused of a crime and set him at liberty 3c)
>indulgently to grant a prisoner leave to depart 3d) to release a debtor,
>i.e. not to press one's claim against him, to remit his debt
>----------------------------------------------
>
>
No mythology is necessary: it's not rational to murder anyone.
*us*
wrote:
>In article <LfmdnQktTpcFi2PX...@posted.sonicnet>,
> beave...@foxnews.com (Taco Bell With Dripping Snot) wrote:
>> * US * wrote:
>> >Nobody learns anything from killing the killers, i. e., being no different
>> >from them.
>>
>> WHo needs to? We execute people to stop them from doing it again,
>> an inexpensive alternative to feeding them.
>
>Actually, no. Death penalty cases are much more expensive than perpetual
>imprisonment. Unless you're talking about lynch mobs.
Exactly.
*us*
wrote:
>* US * wrote:
>
>>Nobody learns anything from killing the killers, i. e., being no different from them.
>
>WHo needs to? We execute people to stop them from doing it again,
There are other ways to do that.
>an inexpensive alternative to feeding them.
It isn't less expensive.
>We should shoot *every* Bushite traitor and terrorist after a fair trial.
We need to find out what made them get that way.
Taco Bell With Dripping Snot
>In article <LfmdnQktTpcFi2PX...@posted.sonicnet>,
>> >Nobody learns anything from killing the killers, i. e., being no different
>> >from them.
>> WHo needs to? We execute people to stop them from doing it again,
>> an inexpensive alternative to feeding them.
>imprisonment. Unless you're talking about lynch mobs.
Only because of the endless appeals and corrupt police and the rest
of the failed legal system. A bullt through the Republicans' head
a week or two after conviction is far cheaper.
Planet Visitor II
Strange that you would ask for that, since you greeted the first
comment above from Mr. Holman with a degree of incredulity. Your
words in reply to his comment were -- "Strange comments, Mitch. He's
made no such election promises that I've seen anyway. 'A good
proportion of his first months in office' will be devoted to
unravelling the economic mess left by the previous incumbent. Indeed
most of his time in office will be spent on such activity."
In any case, the reference in Google for his first comment is --
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/f21a9d78dd18a709
And for the second comment the reference in Google is --
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/85f46b0bbde891e2
Of course Mitchell has denied writing the second comment, and now
is denying writing the first comment. But "denial" is only a river in
Egypt. He would be better off to "eat some crow" and put it to bed,
because until he does you can be sure I will not permit _the wound
to heal_.
Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
That's "Mr. forging babboon (sic)," to you. But look at all that
rage. How typical of a leftist who only knows how to say "sit down
and shut up" to anyone who disagrees with his agenda.
But no problem, Mr. Holman. You call anyone a "babboon (sic)," who
shows you for who you are. It's impossible for you to maintain a
civil tongue, because you're filled with so much hate and rage. That
hate and rage only shows your inability to rationally articulate any
reasonable comment. So here you go... with the Google links.
"I really do think a President Obama will spend a good portion of his
first months in office pardoning African Americans who are
incarcerated because they didn't have enough money to hire big name
lawyers and win acquittals like OJ. The number of African Americans in
prison is disproportionate to the percentage of African Americans. A
president Obama will rectify this situation and pardon a substantial
number until the US prison population reflects the racial mix of the
US. " -- Mitchell Holman. Reference --
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/85f46b0bbde891e2
"Obama is smart! If he said anything at all about freeing African
Americans who were unjustly convicted, the Republicans would drag out
all those "Willie Horton" ads that were so effective against Michael
Dukakis in his campaign. As President Barak Obama can free them with
just the stroke of his pen. You have to look at Barak Obama's devotion
to his wonderful work as a community organizer and his links with
ACORN and the Chicago Annenburg Challenge then you will agree. Barak
Obama graduated from Harvard Law School. He is very smart and he knows
how to quietly get results in spite of all the white racists in
America. Getting results which it is all about. Wouldn't you agree?"
-- Mitchell Holman. Reference --
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/f21a9d78dd18a709
"The Preident (sic) of the US can pardon anyone he wishes without
asking anyone's permission. Any action by the Federal government
trumps the power of the state governments. But from a practical
standpoint if a President Obama pardoned someone in a state
penetentiary (sic), and the governor of that state tossed President
Obama's pardon in the wastebasket the African American community
across the country would rise up and America would be trashed from the
Atlantic to the Pacific. But considering how all the white racists
would suffer, that might not be such a bad thing, don't you think?" --
Mitchell Holman. Reference --
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/85f46b0bbde891e2
Now let's hear it -- "I didn't write that... another Mitchell Holman
did."
Planet Visitor II
Taco Bell With Dripping Snot
>In article <_Lmdnc2kkO68wp3W...@posted.sonicnet>,
> beave...@foxnews.com (Taco Bell With Dripping Snot) wrote:
>> All the Tea in China Blue <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >In article <LfmdnQktTpcFi2PX...@posted.sonicnet>,
>> > beave...@foxnews.com (Taco Bell With Dripping Snot) wrote:
>> >> * US * wrote:
>> >> >Nobody learns anything from killing the killers, i. e., being no
>> >> >different from them.
>> >> WHo needs to? We execute people to stop them from doing it again,
>> >> an inexpensive alternative to feeding them.
>> >Actually, no. Death penalty cases are much more expensive than perpetual
>> >imprisonment. Unless you're talking about lynch mobs.
>> Only because of the endless appeals and corrupt police and the rest
>> of the failed legal system. A bullt through the Republicans' head
>> a week or two after conviction is far cheaper.
>Unless you're talking about lynch mobs.
Lynch mobs don't have fair trials and quick executions, ya frothing idiot.
*us*
wrote:
>In article <1juvf5p7prk24e4o7...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>> No mythology is necessary: it's not rational to murder anyone.
>
>Then chimpanzees are not rational.
Stressed animals of any species become increasingly aggressive.
Humans should have the reasoning ability to ameliorate stress,
not worsen it.
The fact remains that it's not beneficial to anyone for murder
to be considered the 'answer' to murder.
John Rennie
> In article <uuf2g5lj68rpqavac...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:25:57 -0800, Once in a China Blue Moon
>> <chine...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1juvf5p7prk24e4o7...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>>>> No mythology is necessary: it's not rational to murder anyone.
>>> Then chimpanzees are not rational.
>> Stressed animals of any species become increasingly aggressive.
>
And for human beings when stressed or did you miss the point,
Earl?
The conclusion is that godless,
> irrational chimpanzees are ruled by their mythology as well. Or something.
>
Catherine de' Medicis With Dripping Snot
> beave...@foxnews.com (Taco Bell With Dripping Snot) wrote:
>> Once in a China Blue Moon <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >In article <_Lmdnc2kkO68wp3W...@posted.sonicnet>,
>> > beave...@foxnews.com (Taco Bell With Dripping Snot) wrote:
>> >> All the Tea in China Blue <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >In article <LfmdnQktTpcFi2PX...@posted.sonicnet>,
>> >> > beave...@foxnews.com (Taco Bell With Dripping Snot) wrote:
>> >> >> * US * wrote:
>> >> >> >Nobody learns anything from killing the killers, i. e., being no
>> >> >> >different from them.
>> >> >> WHo needs to? We execute people to stop them from doing it again,
>> >> >> an inexpensive alternative to feeding them.
>> >> >Actually, no. Death penalty cases are much more expensive than perpetual
>> >> >imprisonment. Unless you're talking about lynch mobs.
>> >> Only because of the endless appeals and corrupt police and the rest
>> >> of the failed legal system. A bullt through the Republicans' head
>> >> a week or two after conviction is far cheaper.
>> >Unless you're talking about lynch mobs.
>>
>> Lynch mobs don't have fair trials and quick executions, ya frothing idiot.
>You don't want fair trials. You want a lynching.
You're an insane Republican.
---
Does belief in astrology cause insanity? http://www.skeptictank.org/edm.htm
(Yes.)
Catherine de' Medicis With Dripping Snot
Except that killing murderers is not murder. Playing paddycake with
killers is one of the reasons why the Western world is fucked up,
religion being the primary reason.
Donna Evleth
> From: John Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net>
> Reply-To: john-...@talktalk.net
> Newsgroups:
> soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.liberalism,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.death-
> penalty,alt.impeach.bush
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:34:02 +0000
> Subject: Re: Death penalty opponents and Obama
>
> Once in a China Blue Moon wrote:
>> In article <uuf2g5lj68rpqavac...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:25:57 -0800, Once in a China Blue Moon
>>> <chine...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <1juvf5p7prk24e4o7...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>>>>> No mythology is necessary: it's not rational to murder anyone.
>>>> Then chimpanzees are not rational.
>>> Stressed animals of any species become increasingly aggressive.
>>
>> This is natural behaviour for chimpanzees.
>
> And for human beings when stressed or did you miss the point,
> Earl?
I don't think Earl wrote this. Have I missed something somewhere? Being a
bit stressed myself right now, it's possible. Please do tell me why you
brought Earl in on this.
Donna Evleth
Earl Evleth
Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
No I did not write that. But I will post that---
I don't think aggressively is the only single reaction to being stressed.
It could produce depression and emotional immobility and finally
suicide in some. There is also panic.
John Rennie
John Rennie
apostrophe there)
Laverenti Beria
SLAM DUNK! Mitch also has the bad habit of putting words in
people's mouths. When the reprobate bothers to even debate he is one
of the most dishonest debaters you could ever come across anywhere.
Nice to see him given a good spanking that he so richly
deserves.
>
> But no problem, Mr. Holman. You call anyone a "babboon (sic)," who
> shows you for who you are. It's impossible for you to maintain a
> civil tongue, because you're filled with so much hate and rage. That
> hate and rage only shows your inability to rationally articulate any
> reasonable comment. So here you go... with the Google
> "I really do think a President Obama will spend a good portion of his
> first months in office pardoning African Americans who are
> incarcerated because they didn't have enough money to hire big name
> lawyers and win acquittals like OJ. The number of African Americans in
> prison is disproportionate to the percentage of African Americans. A
> president Obama will rectify this situation and pardon a substantial
> number until the US prison population reflects the racial mix of the
> US. " -- Mitchell Holman. Reference --http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/85f46b0...
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> Earl Evleth wrote:
> > No I did not write that. But I will post that---
> >
> > I don't think aggressively is the only single reaction to being stressed.
> > It could produce depression and emotional immobility and finally
> > suicide in some. There is also panic.
> >
> >
> Dear me, Earl Your jokes are almost as sad as Bills. (I nearly used an
> apostrophe there)
And you should have - Bill's jokes are the jokes of Bill. It's
possessive, unlike my "it's" there, which is a contraction and a
contraction is the only time when "it's" has an apostrophe.
Or are you making a funny?
--
The Professor: Ha! A Dolphin! Well I'll be buggered.
Satan: Never say that in Hell, Prof.
- Andy Hamilton, Old Harry's Game
Planet Visitor II
So just how many Bills are you speaking about???
Planet Visitor II
Donna Evleth
> From: Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net>
> Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:40:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: Death penalty opponents and Obama
>
Bills can be very sad, especially when they are large and you don't have the
money to pay them.
Donna Evleth
>
>
> Planet Visitor II
Mitchell Holman
Bingo.
Look at the NNTP signatures for those posts.
Message-ID: <Xns9B2F71DB67A8...@216.196.109.144>
Now look at mine
Message-ID: <Xns9CC5581E6D96D...@216.196.97.130>
See the difference?
If you cannot forge better than that maybe you better
not quit your day job.
"The fact is that every person believes that "murder is not
conceivable" in happening to them."
Jim ("Planet Visitor") Noles, Oct 13 2009, in a post that will
bring chuckles to policemen as they put on their bulletproof vests.
*us*
Dripping Snot) wrote:
>* US * wrote:
>>On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:25:57 -0800, Once in a China Blue Moon <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>In article <1juvf5p7prk24e4o7...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>>>> No mythology is necessary: it's not rational to murder anyone.
>>>
>>>Then chimpanzees are not rational.
>
>>Stressed animals of any species become increasingly aggressive.
>
>>Humans should have the reasoning ability to ameliorate stress,
>>not worsen it.
>
>>The fact remains that it's not beneficial to anyone for murder
>>to be considered the 'answer' to murder.
>
>Except that killing murderers is not murder.
Of course it's murder. It's premeditated murder.
It solves nothing, only adds to the murder tally.
>killers ...
People aren't really such things.
We should figure out why Bush and Cheney, for
example, are willing to betray and mass murder
for fun and profit.
Bush started torture-killing small animals when he
was only a child. It's likely that his Wimpy Poppy
did horrific things to him.
*us*
wrote:
>In article <uuf2g5lj68rpqavac...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:25:57 -0800, Once in a China Blue Moon <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >In article <1juvf5p7prk24e4o7...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>> >> No mythology is necessary: it's not rational to murder anyone.
>> >
>> >Then chimpanzees are not rational.
>>
>> Stressed animals of any species become increasingly aggressive.
>
>This is natural behaviour
If you put too many rats in too small a habitat,
it is 'natural' for them to kill each other.
They can't change the size of their habitat.
Humans should use their brains to transcend
the limitations of their habitat.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:ma81g5tj7bec18c0g...@4ax.com:
> > Now let's hear it -- "I didn't write that... another Mitchell Holman
> > did."
>
>
>
> Bingo.
>
> Look at the NNTP signatures for those posts.
>
> Message-ID: <Xns9B2F71DB67A8...@216.196.109.144>
>
> Now look at mine
>
> Message-ID: <Xns9CC5581E6D96D...@216.196.97.130>
>
> See the difference?
>
> If you cannot forge better than that maybe you better
> not quit your day job.
Not conclusive, actually, Mitch. Both headers are for posts from
Giganews. The only difference is the user ID (which can easily be
spoofed). The above is evidence that the posts were forged but does not
prove it - not in a million years.
The main argument in favour of forgery is, in fact, that it seems odd
that you would have changed your headers for just those posts.
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> James 'Racist Lunatic' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>> > Now let's hear it -- "I didn't write that... another Mitchell Holman
>> > did."
>>
>>
>>
>> Bingo.
>>
>> Look at the NNTP signatures for those posts.
>>
>> Message-ID: <Xns9B2F71DB67A8...@216.196.109.144>
>>
>> Now look at mine
>>
>> Message-ID: <Xns9CC5581E6D96D...@216.196.97.130>
>>
>> See the difference?
>>
>> If you cannot forge better than that maybe you better
>> not quit your day job.
>
> Not conclusive, actually, Mitch. Both headers are for posts from
> Giganews. The only difference is the user ID (which can easily be
> spoofed). The above is evidence that the posts were forged but does not
> prove it - not in a million years.
>
> The main argument in favour of forgery is, in fact, that it seems odd
> that you would have changed your headers for just those posts.
No, Jon. The 'main argument in favour of forgery' is that Mitch is known
for being scrupulously honest. If he says he didn't write it, you can take
it as 100% sure that he didn't.
Nazi Spastic Noles caught out in another lie.
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones
who attacked us in America on September the 11th'
(George W. Bush, 12 July 2007)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Catherine de' Medicis With Dripping Snot
>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:13:43 GMT, beave...@foxnews.com (Catherine de' Medicis With Dripping Snot) wrote:
>>* US * wrote:
>>>On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:25:57 -0800, Once in a China Blue Moon <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>In article <1juvf5p7prk24e4o7...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>>>>> No mythology is necessary: it's not rational to murder anyone.
>>>>Then chimpanzees are not rational.
>>>Stressed animals of any species become increasingly aggressive.
>>>Humans should have the reasoning ability to ameliorate stress,
>>>not worsen it.
>>>The fact remains that it's not beneficial to anyone for murder
>>>to be considered the 'answer' to murder.
>>Except that killing murderers is not murder.
>Of course it's murder. It's premeditated murder.
mur�der (m�rdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with
premeditated malice.
2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The
rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
v. mur�dered, mur�der�ing, mur�ders
v.tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English
language.
5. Slang To defeat decisively; trounce.
You lose again.
---
10-year-old boy rejects Republicanism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbfs0EVsHbs
*us*
offers the tragic illusion that we can teach that killing is wrong by killing."
http://usliberals.about.com/od/deathpenalty/i/DeathPenalty.htm
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:45:39 GMT, beave...@foxnews.com (Catherine de' Medicis With
Dripping Snot) wrote:
>...lose again.
You lose whenever you resort to violence
rather than increase your understanding.
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:13:43 GMT, beave...@foxnews.com (Catherine de' Medicis With
Dripping Snot) wrote:
>* US * wrote:
>>On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:25:57 -0800, Once in a China Blue Moon <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>In article <1juvf5p7prk24e4o7...@4ax.com>, * US * wrote:
>>>> No mythology is necessary: it's not rational to murder anyone.
>>>
>>>Then chimpanzees are not rational.
>
>>Stressed animals of any species become increasingly aggressive.
>
>>Humans should have the reasoning ability to ameliorate stress,
>>not worsen it.
>
>>The fact remains that it's not beneficial to anyone for murder
>>to be considered the 'answer' to murder.
>
>Except that killing murderers is not murder.
Of course it's murder. It's premeditated murder.
It solves nothing, only adds to the murder tally.
Planet Visitor II
<noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm just prescient.
> Look at the NNTP signatures for those posts.
>
> Message-ID: <Xns9B2F71DB67A8...@216.196.109.144>
>
> Now look at mine
>
> Message-ID: <Xns9CC5581E6D96D...@216.196.97.130>
>
> See the difference?
>
> If you cannot forge better than that maybe you better
>not quit your day job.
>
Sure Mitchell.... now tell us about your virgin birth. AADP just
loves fiction.
I do wonder if you have inherited a biological tendency toward
aggression.
Planet Visitor II
>
>"The fact is that every person believes that "murder is not
>conceivable" in happening to them."
>Jim ("Planet Visitor") Noles, Oct 13 2009, in a post that will
>bring chuckles to policemen as they put on their bulletproof vests.
The fact is that Mitchell Holman believes that everyone expects to
be murdered on the day that they wake up every morning.
deconstructing urinal stain
>"...the death penalty diminishes all of us, increases disrespect for human life, and
>offers the tragic illusion that we can teach that killing is wrong by killing."
Non dai nessuna prova, quel che pretendi e falso.
The Italian Stallion
John Rennie
I think they're forgeries, Jim.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
They look a bit like it. No definitive statement from me but I _think_
that you're right.
*us*
""The death penalty is the ultimate denial of human rights. It is the premeditated and
cold-blooded killing of a human being by the state..."
"...the death penalty diminishes all of us, increases disrespect for human life, and
offers the tragic illusion that we can teach that killing is wrong by killing."
http://usliberals.about.com/od/deathpenalty/i/DeathPenalty.htm
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
><noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Bingo.
> I'm just prescient.
Translation: 'damn, another lie falls flat on its [1] face...'
Y.
[1] sorry.. 'it's' (sic)
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> John 'Reichstag' Rennie <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> I think they're forgeries, Jim.
> They look a bit like it. No definitive statement from me but I _think_
> that you're right.
They look more than 'a bit' like it, Jon. Mitchell uses - AFAIK - a
Windows news client. How many Win32 clients do you know, that allow
personalised Message-IDs?
Y.
Snottless Catherine de' Medicis
>"...the death penalty diminishes all of us, increases disrespect for human life, and
>offers the tragic illusion that we can teach that killing is wrong by killing."
How stupid, allowing Republicans to live after they murder is a
smack in the face of justice and what's right. Not killing Republican
murderers tells the victims' families that their loved-ones lives
were worthless.
*us*
Medicis) wrote:
>How stupid, allowing Republicans to live after they murder is a
>smack in the face of justice and what's right. Not killing Republican
>murderers tells the victims' families that their loved-ones lives
>were worthless.
That's a non sequitur.
Learning how to prevent humans from degenerating
into the likes of some Republicans is progress.
>---
>10-year-old boy rejects Republicanism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbfs0EVsHbs
>Does belief in astrology cause insanity? http://www.skeptictank.org/edm.htm
""The death penalty is the ultimate denial of human rights. It is the premeditated and
cold-blooded killing of a human being by the state..."
"...the death penalty diminishes all of us, increases disrespect for human life, and
offers the tragic illusion that we can teach that killing is wrong by killing."
http://usliberals.about.com/od/deathpenalty/i/DeathPenalty.htm
Planet Visitor II
Apparently Mitchell was forging his own name. Curious that there are
no other presumed "forgery" of Mitchell's comments.
Planet Visitor II
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> Apparently Mitchell was forging his own name. Curious that there are
> no other presumed "forgery" of Mitchell's comments.
After your pathetic grammar flame of Mr Rennie, it is telling that your
lame denial here is characterised by an inability to match verb with
subject. Curious that you provide no argument but simply a denial.
Cue Jim going P'TOO!
Planet Visitor II
dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Apparently Mitchell was forging his own name. Curious that there are
>> no other presumed "forgery" of Mitchell's comments.
>
>After your pathetic grammar flame of Mr Rennie, it is telling that your
>lame denial here is characterised by an inability to match verb with
>subject. Curious that you provide no argument but simply a denial.
Heh... apparently you're taking another cue from your friend, who you
might offend by using his typical pedantry as an excuse for your
support for racism, and consideration for the Nazis claiming they were
not "evil," but only _misunderstood_. Oh, yeah... you also argue
fiercely that Muslim terrorists are also _misunderstood_. But
of course, as you've pointed out... those negative character traits
of yours are grossly overstated, and are all compensated by the
positive character trait that you do not kick your dog.
>Cue Jim going P'TOO!
P'TOO!!
Cue the Right Honorable Mr. Q.Z. Diablo going "Shut the fuck up, Jim."
HTH
Planet Visitor II
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>I think they're forgeries, Jim.
> Apparently Mitchell was forging his own name. Curious that there are no
> other presumed "forgery" of Mitchell's comments.
Yeah, and I suppose he's also reverse-engineering his NNTP client [1], to
enable it to alter Message-IDs...
You retarded ape.
Y.
[1] ask James Jnr to explain that to you... [2]
[2] *snigger*
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of
one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that
oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the
beginning if it is to be stopped at all'
(H.L. Mencken)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
{ snip tantrum }
Oh, well _done_, Jon !!
Y.
deconstructing desmond coughlan
the Nile to the Tigris" Coughlan <yit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2009-11-22, James 'Jew lover' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:22:23 +0000, John 'Reichstag' Rennie
>> <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>>>I think they're forgeries, Jim.
>
>> Apparently Mitchell was forging his own name. Curious that there are no
>> other presumed "forgery" of Mitchell's comments.
>
>Yeah, and I suppose he's also reverse-engineering his NNTP client [1], to
>enable it to alter Message-IDs...
>
I don't suppose you've ever heard of someone having both a desktop and
a laptop computer using different everything, including an internet
provider. [3] I have both comcast, and earthlink. And can easily set
up one computer for comcast only, and another for earthlink only.
And use comcast on cable, and earthlink on a phone modem.
>You retarded ape.
>
Right back at you, you uneducated Nazi fruitcake.
A Jew deconstructing desmond coughlan
>Y.
>
>[1] ask James Jnr to explain that to you... [2]
>[2] *snigger*
[3] Ask the One to explain it to you.
deconstructing desmond coughlan
the Nile to the Tigris" Coughlan <yit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2009-11-23, James 'Jew lover' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:40:49 +1100,
>> dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>
>{ snip tantrum }
>
>Oh, well _done_, Jon !!
TRANSLATION: "Jon's my bro. We're as thick as molasses, and twice as
slippery. We're like brothers, ya know??"
Sambo the Abo
> On 23 Nov 2009 22:04:12 GMT, Desmond "I want to kill every Arabs from
> the Nile to the Tigris" Coughlan <yit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-11-23, James 'Jew lover' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:40:49 +1100,
>>> dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>> { snip tantrum }
>>
>> Oh, well _done_, Jon !!
>
> slippery.
Most call it buggery.
Sambo
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>Dear me, Earl Your jokes are almost as sad as Bills. (I nearly used an
>>apostrophe there)
> So just how many Bills are you speaking about???
'hit's self in head instead...'
<http://is.gd/13QJb>
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:26:11 +0000, John 'Reichstag' Rennie
> <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>> In two posts that will come as a surprise to president Obama, given
>>> that he cannot constitutionally pardon or parole any person White or
>>> Black convicted of a state crime.
>>Links please, Jim
> Strange that you would ask for that, since you greeted the first
> comment above from Mr. Holman with a degree of incredulity.
Yeah, and at one time, he believed that your 'Electrical Engineering'
wasn't a fake, Nazi Spastic Noles, remember..?
'Point out to a non-graduate why is it so obvious that it is a
forgery?'
<http://is.gd/MeGk>
Heh, heh, heh .. poor Nazi Spastic Noles. He'd do _anything_ to get rid of
'desi' (sic).
> Your words in reply to his comment were -- "Strange comments, Mitch.
Yeah, and your words in reply to Reichstag Rennie's attack on Israel's
right to exist were --- 'that's good enough for me'.
> In any case, the reference in Google for his first comment is --
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/f21a9d78dd18a709
Go on, Nazi Noles ... post that again, and again, and again. I'm sure that
the newsgroup loves it when you repost your usual shite which has been
discredited. Why, I do believe you have a particularly interesting
rapsheet where that's concerned, hmm..?
'More like I made a mistake. Grosvomit often uses the email addresses
of those who oppose him (which is just about anyone who can walk and
chew gum at the same time). My apologies to Mr. Coughlan'
<http://minilien.fr/a0k2co>
*pmsl*
> And for the second comment the reference in Google is --
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/85f46b0bbde891e2
Yeah, another forged post. So what about it, Nazi Noles? Want to cough up
to doing that one, too, or do you plan to claim that someone else (like
Shithead O'Donovan, for example) is forging posts?
> Of course Mitchell has denied writing the second comment, and now
> is denying writing the first comment.
As has been ascertained by Jon and (with more conviction) me, Nazi Noles,
those posts were not made by Mitchell.
Here is the Message-ID from a post made by Mitchell this evening..
<Xns9CD18FF009AD7...@216.196.97.130>
Here is the Message-ID from the post which you cite in your second URL
above..
<Xns9B2F71DB67A8...@216.196.109.144>
So how about you tell me how Mitchell managed to get XNews to create
different Message-IDs, eh?
And whilst we're about it, GeoBytes' IP locator system [1] lists the IP
address used by Mitchell this evening, as being located in or near
Washington D.C. ..
<http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2449/mhusip.png>
This is what the same page tells us about the IP used by the 'Mitchell' in
your quoted URLs ..
<http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8440/mhnlip.png>
That's right, you fucking incompetent oaf: the second 'Mitchell' (i.e. the
one you quote so often) has an IP that resolves to Amsterdam, in the
fucking Netherlands.
Of course, if you call up James Jnr and ask his advice (since he's the one
with the University of Boston degree), he'll point out that it could simply
be that the different posts are being routed differently (although you'll
note that the 'proxy' flag on both addresses is at 'false'). And he
wouldn't be wrong. Yet what is clear is that whilst both IPs [2] belong to
Data Foundry, one resolves to news-wc.giganews.com., and the other to
news-europe.giganews.com..
Can you guess which is which, you retarded mouth-breather?
I cannot state categorically that Mitchell does _not_ use both of those IP
addresses, but for him to do so and then deny it, would be indicative of a
level of duplicity that Mitchell has _never_ shown himself to demonstrate
in the past. Put simply, Nazi Spastic Noles: why should he lie? You still
think you're so invincible that people have to lie to avoid these 'defeats'
that your infantile fantasies have convinced you that you're able to
inflict?
Grow up, you fucking imbecilic ape.
> But "denial" is only a river in Egypt. He would be better off to "eat
> some crow" and put it to bed, because until he does you can be sure I
> will not permit _the wound to heal_.
Ah, didn't you promise to not let another 'wound' heal, Nazi Spastic Noles?
Why yes .. you did. Remember how you swore to post and repost your claim
that Ken McVay had called me a 'sockpuppet' of Grüber [4]? Hmm, I wonder
why you stopped, eh..?
'More like I made a mistake. Grosvomit often uses the email addresses
of those who oppose him (which is just about anyone who can walk and
chew gum at the same time). My apologies to Mr. Coughlan'
<http://minilien.fr/a0k2co>
Oh. _That's_ why you stopped.
*rofl*
You fucking birdbrained shithead [5].
Y.
[1] <http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation>
[2] sorry, 'IP's' (sic [3])...
[3] *rofl*
[4] criminal alias after convictions for assault and embezzlement in
Newcastle-upon-Tyne: Grosvenor
[5] oh look.. I'm 'angry' again ... [3]