Ol' Racist Nev
A Planet Visitor
draw other racists into this group, by cross-posting to
both here and that racist group. So far, even they have
been smarter than Ol' Racist Nev... not difficult to do
since rocks outscore him on IQ tests.
But mark my word -- the worst thing that can happen to
AADP, is if Ol' Racist Nev succeeds in his efforts to drag other
racists into this group.. it could very well spell the end of
AADP. Which is of course the ulterior motive of Ol' Racist
Nev, since he first posted here.
He is a worse virus than AIDS. I believe he is more insidious
than the Nameless One, since even the Nameless One does
not intend to spread his racism... but simply hopes to
demonstrate it here as an expression of the power he
believes he holds on this group, and he would not welcome
dilution of that power with the addition of more racists. While
Ol' Racist Nev NEEDS their company to feed off of.
PV
Honest Nev
<snip>
> He is a worse virus than AIDS.
AIDS is not a "virus", you dim twat.
Now do one, you daft old duffer!
<snip>
> PV
Yrs,
As ever,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
dirtdog
unfairly thrashed FuckWit's arse:
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<T31ya.53580$N45.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>
><snip>
>
>> He is a worse virus than AIDS.
>
>AIDS is not a "virus", you dim twat.
>
>
>
>Now do one, you daft old duffer!
LOL!
A round of applause for Neville!
Now, let's take this fucker to a brand new thread!
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
<silly diatribe snipped>
>He is a worse virus than AIDS.
ROTFLMAO!
Oh dear FuckWit!
Were you speaking metaphorically?!?!
<more barely literate shite snipped>
w00f
A Planet Visitor
>On 19 May 2003 11:42:38 -0700, honest_...@yahoo.co.uk (Honest Nev)
>unfairly thrashed FuckWit's arse:
>
>>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<T31ya.53580$N45.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> He is a worse virus than AIDS.
>>
>>AIDS is not a "virus", you dim twat.
>>
>>
>>
>>Now do one, you daft old duffer!
>
>
>LOL!
>
>A round of applause for Neville!
>
ROTFLMAO... You do find some 'strange bedfellows,' Louise. euro,
The Nameless One, and Ol' Racist Nev, to name only three. One who
believes that 849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent Black
slaves, and claims there is such a thing as "legal murder." Another who
found it necessary to BEG before this group, and call those in the group
as dressed in "sycophancy," and lacking "backbone," damning all of them
except for you and JPB... arguing they needed to "redeem" themselves,
which only the holy waters of his baptism into racism could provide in such
redemption, and lacking that they must be confined to the hell of banishment
from AADP (see the Nameless One alternate Gimmick n° 166). And the
last who has tried very hard to suck other racists into this group... while
they proved themselves smarter than he is by not rising to his bait.
I can only attribute that to your own racism... with you having argued with
the nonsense that if an African Black doesn't understand the meaning of a
particular racist epithet, you believe it is quite acceptable to use it against
an American Black. Although that American Black certainly does
understand the meaning behind that phrase, which is intended to
demean and insult that particular race in the name of that American Black.
But... I digress... Yes... Ol' Racist Nev has managed to make a fool of
himself again, and you apparently now intend to do likewise --
See --
url:http://www.rkm.com.au/AIDSeducation.html
(including a picture of the AIDS virus)
url:http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/topics/stdhiv25.htm
(University of Michigan)
url:http://www.ninds.nih.gov/news_and_events/pressrelease_aids_092893.htm?type=archived
(National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke)
url:http://www.hhmi.org/news/littman.html
(Howard Hughes Medical Institute)
url:http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1997/05.22/AIDSFluVirusesH.html
(Harvard University Gazette)
url:http://www.rockefeller.edu/pubinfo/HIV.nr.html
(Rockerfeller University)
url:http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/hivinf.htm
(The U.S. National Institute of Health)
url:http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/hardin/md/aids.html
url:http://www.msnbc.com/news/AIDS_front.asp?cp1=1
All of which SPECIFICALLY contain the phrase "AIDS virus")
and
url:http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/hivinfo/overview.htm
Sites of the U.S. Government National Institute of Health --
Quoting -- "HIV Infection and AIDS: AIDS is caused by the
human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)."
"Tests for HIV antibody in persons with AIDS show that they
are infected with the virus"
and
url:http://www.umm.edu/medicine/ihv.html
From the University of Maryland -- "AIDS - Cronic Viral disease."
And
http://www.smartlink.net/~martinjh/ch_glos.htm
From the National AIDS Treatment Activist Forum --
"AIDS - "Severe manifestation of infection with the human
immunodeficiency virus"
and
url:http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?ArticleKey=2181
"AIDS: Disease due to infection with the human immunodeficiency
virus (HIV).
And in the U.K.
http://omni.ac.uk/subject-listing/WC503.html
Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS) -
..."It contains sections on epidemiology and transmission,
testing for the HIV virus,..."
And in Switzerland --
http://129.194.8.64:9001/cgi-bin/HONselect?browse+C02.782.815.616.400.040#MeSH
AIDS -- "Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome --
MeSH definition: An acquired defect of cellular immunity
associated with infection by the human innunodeficiency
virus (HIV)."
Plus THOUSANDS of other medical references showing
the AIDS virus is certainly recognized in the Medical community.
> Now, let's take this fucker to a brand new thread!
The ignorance of some posters here is truly staggering.
And you remain near the top of the list. You continue to make
a fool of yourself by support those idiots who make the most
absurd claims -- such as euro's use of "legal murder." You
should understand that Ol' Racist Nev has also claimed that --
1) Wagner was gay because he had a homosexual patron
who supported his works. While Tchaikovsky (admittedly
a gay), did not write works which are feminist in nature.
ROTFLMAO. Obviously the man has NEVER watched
Swan Lake.
2) Argued that "nonce" is NOT a "sexual deviate," while
the very first definition in the OED is exactly that.
3) Argued that Jews CANNOT be born Jews... I'll leave
that for you to chew on.
4) Argued that "anti-Semitic" pertains to Arabs as well
as Jews, because the Arab is also a Semite. Completely
ignoring how that word evolved, and came into being expressly
in respect to the Jews.
5) Argued that America is not the U.S.A.
6) And now... the absurd claim that AIDS is not a virus.
7) And as I pointed out, has been VERY ACTIVE in working
toward trying to lure other racists from alt.circumcision into this
group. Thankfully, they are more clever than he is (not difficult...
since rocks outscore Ol' Racist Nev in IQ tests). Those racists
have ALWAYS been smarter than he is, having clipped his
deceptive cross-posting, which he hopes they will forget to do
when they respond. What other poster here, in the history of
this group, has worked harder than Ol' Racist Nev to draw
other racists into this group?
While of course we have YOUR --
1) Who is Boswell?
2) What's a mitigating circumstances?
If you think that it bothers me that Ol' Racist Nev continues to demonstrate
his stupidity, put that thought to rest... since it serves my purpose when he
does so.. Causing me only to LOL, as the 'eye of the beholder' recognizes
his stupidity. Which begs the question...Why are you blind to it?
PV
>w00f
A Planet Visitor
>On Mon, 19 May 2003 09:01:39 GMT, "A Planet 'Euro' Visitor"
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
><silly diatribe snipped>
>
>>He is a worse virus than AIDS.
>
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Oh dear FuckWit!
>
>Were you speaking metaphorically?!?!
>
Not at all... and as in the case of Boswell... and "mitigating circumstances," it is
obvious that I need to again provide a modicum of instructional guidance to raise
your wretchedly inferior intellectual level. As I pointed out in the other
post where you intended to cover yourself with the illiterate shit you presume
I offer -- See
><more barely literate shite snipped>
>
If you believe for one moment that I am bothered by your feeble attempts
to presume some pseudo-intellectualism on your part... believe me... I am
not. I rather ENJOY watching you make a perfect fool of yourself, Louise.
PV
>w00f
ikke
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> On Mon, 19 May 2003 21:09:23 +0100, dirtdog
<dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>
> >On 19 May 2003 11:42:38 -0700, honest_...@yahoo.co.uk (Honest Nev)
> >unfairly thrashed FuckWit's arse:
> >
> >>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
news:<T31ya.53580$N45.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>> He is a worse virus than AIDS.
> >>
> >>AIDS is not a "virus", you dim twat.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Now do one, you daft old duffer!
(snip)
This being one of the first topics here to crop up on which I am actually
qualified to comment, I will submit my tuppence worth.
PV, the simple fact that you did a search for "AIDS virus" and came up with
a bucketload of hits does not indicate that AIDS_is_a virus. It is most
definitely not - as most of the above articles go on to explain. AIDS is the
syndrome, the degradation of the immune system (resulting in cancers and/or
other problems)_caused_by HIV, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus but they are
not one and the same. In fact, it says just that not 30 lines above this
one.
For you to say that AIDS is a virus is akin to saying that glandular
fever_is_a virus...when in fact it is the result of infection_by_the
Epstein-Bar Virus, or that the common cold_is_a virus...when in fact it is
caused by infection_by_a virus (often a rhino or coronavirus, if anyone
gives a toss). Sometimes viruses and the infections they cause are generally
known by the same name...but not in this case.
To say that AIDS is a virus is, strictly speaking, incorrect.
Any further virological questions gladly answered. Dismissed.
Cheers
John
dirtdog
wrote:
<of FW's claim that AIDS is a virus (LOL!)>
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
LM*F*AO!!!!!!!!!
The pixies, FW! Tell us about the pixies!!!!!
<PV's way of accepting a good, hard spanking snipped>
w00f
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:k5vkcvcllbs2pgvk7...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 May 2003 21:09:23 +0100, dirtdog
<dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>
> >On 19 May 2003 11:42:38 -0700, honest_...@yahoo.co.uk (Honest Nev)
> >unfairly thrashed FuckWit's arse:
> >
> >>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
news:<T31ya.53580$N45.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>> He is a worse virus than AIDS.
> >>
> >>AIDS is not a "virus", you dim twat.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Now do one, you daft old duffer!
> >
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >A round of applause for Neville!
> >
> ROTFLMAO... You do find some 'strange bedfellows,' Louise. euro,
> The Nameless One, and Ol' Racist Nev, to name only three. One who
> believes that 849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent Black
> slaves, and claims there is such a thing as "legal murder."
That makes more sense than claiming that human rights should apply to
animals, and is more correct than implying one's opponents has zoophile
tendencies.
PS: Can you provide one URL where I claimed that "849 murderers are the same
as millions of innocent Black slaves"? No. That was, once again, PV caught
red-handed twisting what others wrote.
Euro
(remaining PV verbal diarrhea snipped - as usual it was inconsistent,
visquous and quite putrid, but one can't hope for anything else from an
asshole)
JIGSAW1695
>From: "Euro" vs...@hotmail.com
>Date: 5/21/2003 7:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3ecb6238$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
I am still waiting for you to back up your claim that PV deliberatly lied.
Where or where is that URL?
Jigsaw
Honest Nev
<snip>
> I am still waiting for you to back up your claim that PV deliberatly lied.
> Where or where is that URL?
>
> Jigsaw
Jiggy, seeing as you're 'in' with the FuckWit (indeed, he seems to be
(much to yr chagrin I hope) yr FRIEND [sic]), why not ask him to
provide an URL for a post in which I cite a non-OED definition of
'America'... then tell us how PV doesn't 'deliberately lie'.
Mind you, as we're dealing with a man who will not acknowledge that
AIDS isn't a 'virus' (despite providing URL'S [sic] which state that
it isn't... LOL!), I won't be holding my breath 'til I seen dem flying
pigs.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 5/21/2003 3:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <a5ec705.03052...@posting.google.com>
<snip>
===============================
There is quite a difference between guessing, trolling, lying or not knowing
for sure.
Euro made a claim that PV lied to him in a certain message. All I want him to
do is show us where PV lied. I consider that a legitmate question.
A Planet Visitor
Arrrgggggg!.... Do I sense a roll of drums, and a burst of trumpets? Is
that supposed to be a pronouncement reminiscent of the subdued panoply
which surrounded the coronation of Napoleon?
>PV, the simple fact that you did a search for "AIDS virus" and came up with
>a bucketload of hits does not indicate that AIDS_is_a virus. It is most
>definitely not - as most of the above articles go on to explain. AIDS is the
>syndrome, the degradation of the immune system (resulting in cancers and/or
>other problems)_caused_by HIV, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus but they are
>not one and the same. In fact, it says just that not 30 lines above this
>one.
>
Another _argument_ of the 'chicken or the egg,' intending mostly to
nitpick apart the words "AIDS virus," while it has a very specific
meaning, quite apart from being HIV positive, while NOT having AIDS.
Whatever is the matter with some people? Preening themselves
before this group with the most absurd displays of pseudo-intellectualism
one can imagine.
>For you to say that AIDS is a virus is akin to saying that glandular
>fever_is_a virus...when in fact it is the result of infection_by_the
>Epstein-Bar Virus, or that the common cold_is_a virus...when in fact it is
>caused by infection_by_a virus (often a rhino or coronavirus, if anyone
>gives a toss). Sometimes viruses and the infections they cause are generally
>known by the same name...but not in this case.
>
There is no question that one may be HIV positive and NOT have AIDS.
But once one contracts AIDS it is because of the virus... that virus having
CAUSED AIDS. In that case, it is well worth mentioning that it WAS
a virus which caused that AIDS, and thus was an "AIDS virus." A
point might be made that viral pneumonia was CAUSED by a virus
which provided the contracting of pneumonia. While the virus itself
might well have been the result of the influenza virus. Certainly the term
"viral pneumonia" MEANS that the VIRUS caused pneumonia... in
this case the "pneumonia virus." And the cause of death, if such death
resulted would be "viral pneumonia," rather than "viral influenza." Just
as HIV can LEAD to AIDS... and thus is a viral AIDS... meaning an
AIDS causing virus which DID cause AIDS -- The "AIDS virus."
>To say that AIDS is a virus is, strictly speaking, incorrect.
>
>Any further virological questions gladly answered. Dismissed.
>
Actually, you are trying to "dismiss" a great number of references to
the SPECIFIC phrase "AIDS virus," by a great number of competent
medical authorities. Perhaps you could provide your medical
credentials?
Might I again offer references from many recognized medical authorities
which clearly speak of the "AIDS virus," in that EXACT term, as simply
being the virus which CAUSED AIDS... that being the HIV, which does NOT
mean that one also has AIDS. Many medical authorities speak of full-blown
AIDS as the AID/HIV virus, associating that virus as the CAUSE of AIDS,
independent of its possible existence without the coexistence of AIDS. See
again --
url:http://www.ninds.nih.gov/news_and_events/pressrelease_aids_092893.htm?type=archived
A web site created by the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.
The EXACT WORDS -- "AIDS virus can infect Neurons."
url:http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/topics/stdhiv25.htm
The University of Michigan Health Systems
The EXACT WORDS -- "Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Test (AIDS Virus)"
http://www.rockefeller.edu/pubinfo/HIV.nr.html
A web site created by Rockerfeller University
The EXACT WORDS -- "Mucosal Tissue Site of AIDS Virus Replication..."
http://www.hhmi.org/news/littman.html
The Howard Hughes Medical Institute
The EXACT WORDS -- "New Receptor for AIDS virus Found"
http://www.hhmi.org/news/dowdy.html
The Howard Hughes Medical Institute
The EXACT WORDS -- "AIDS Virus fragment..."
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/newsroom/releases/nianiaid.htm
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
The EXACT WORDS -- "AIDS virus reformatted...."
http://www.ncrr.nih.gov/newspub/apr02rpt/stories6.asp
National Institutes of Health
The EXACT WORDS -- "...later have on understanding AIDS virus
infections in humans..."
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000449.htm
The U.S. Government Center on Disease Control
The EXACT WORDS -- "directly test the inactivation of the
AIDS virus"
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/departs/1999/499_fda.html
The U.S. Government Food and Drug Administration
The EXACT WORDS -- "Home Testing for the AIDS Virus"
http://www.jhsph.edu/Press_Room/Press_Releases/cell_aids.html
Johns Hopkins School of Public Health
The EXACT WORDS -- "Scientists Succeed in Blocking Transmission
of Cell-Associated AIDS Virus"
url:http://omni.ac.uk/subject-listing/WC503.html
A web site created by the University of Nottingham
The EXACT WORDS -- "Includes electron micrographs of the AIDS virus,"
I believe if these references can use the term "AIDS virus," I am on
rather firm ground as a layperson, with using the same term.
I fully understand the implication of the meaning of the term HIV (Human
Immunodeficiency Virus), but to presume that one cannot speak of that
as the CAUSE of AIDS, and thus the "AIDS virus," is pitifully weak,
and nitpicking of the most trivial kind, since medical authorities routinely
speak of it AS the "AIDS virus," when it has reached the stage of AIDS
being contracted in all of its full-blown forms. I have avoided the many,
many references to the "AIDS Virus" used in non-medical periodicals,
and newspapers, such as Time, Newsweek, PBS, The Discovery Channel,
Science Daily, etc. But it is highly captious to presume that one cannot
use the term "AIDS Virus" in a forum such as this, without it creating
the uproar it apparently has. Which I can ONLY attribute to having
a more diabolical purpose than simply a play on words. It is an attempt
to "discredit" my presence here. And you should be above pandering to
that element, if you expect to have any credibility here, yourself.
I think you have better things to do with your time, then to presume
that one may not use the term "AIDS virus," since in fact it is used quite
routinely. Nor do I believe you possess sufficient medical credentials to
argue that competent medical authorities are WRONG when they use that
EXACT term.
Finally, you seem to have allied yourself with some "very strange" posters here,
my friend. My suggestion is that you take a step back... and determine the
direction you really wish to go... as a responsible abolitionist, such as Mr. D.
and John Rennie, presenting reasonable arguments, which I will certainly
attempt to argue without rancor, or as a follower of Ol' Racist Nev (who
wishes only to draw other racists into the group), and dirtbag (who uses
terms such as "a fucking thalidomide afflicted cretin," and once posted to
me "the last thing i had to get off my chest was was my own jism - your
mother spat it back at me after i shot my load in her mouth").
The choice is yours, but do not expect any quarter from me if you choose
the wrong path. Since I have stated over and over here... that is not my style.
PV
>Cheers
>
>John
>
>
>
dirtdog
wrote:
<of AIDS not being a virus>
>There is no question that one may be HIV positive and NOT have AIDS.
>But once one contracts AIDS it is because of the virus... that virus having
>CAUSED AIDS.
ROTFLM*FUCKING*AO!!!
Thanks for sending me away on holiday with a good chuckle, FW!
<_hundreds_ of lines of FW 'speaking metaphorically' snipped>
w00f
ikke
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
No medical credentials, but a bachelor's degree in this field (virology). I
won't be posting a link to a picture of my certificate so you'll just have
to take my word for it. This is more a matter of English usage than of an
understanding of the specifics of the virus, however...which, for some
reason, is what previous encounters with you seem to have boiled down
to...odd.
As regards the remainder of your post, therefore (another fine example of
the twisting of words that has made you something of a legend here) it looks
like it will take a little explaining. I will get back to you later in the
day when I have time to sit down and address your points.
Cheers
John
(remainder snipped for now)
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>news:0ijncv84cdictiqkv...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 20 May 2003 21:54:34 +0100, "ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>> >news:k5vkcvcllbs2pgvk7...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Mon, 19 May 2003 21:09:23 +0100, dirtdog
>> ><dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 19 May 2003 11:42:38 -0700, honest_...@yahoo.co.uk (Honest Nev)
>> >> >unfairly thrashed FuckWit's arse:
>> >> >
>> >> >>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>> >news:<T31ya.53580$N45.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
<everything clipped>
>As regards the remainder of your post, therefore (another fine example of
>the twisting of words that has made you something of a legend here)
Actually, a rather specious argument of your own, wouldn't you say?
Since you certainly presume to speak in generalities rather than specifics.
Perhaps your receiver has been turned to the wrong channel.
PV
>Cheers
>
>John
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
??????:20030521093620...@mb-m19.aol.com...
I replied to your request, Jigsaw. If you want a URL, you can refer to this
one:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3jooavgaung9d9buacbuaqbf3gm0k2dumq%404a
x.com&rnum=1
Date: 2003-04-27 16:07:35 PST
in which PV affirmed I defined murder as legal. He never could provide any
URL where I said "murder is legal". I never had any such opinion, but PV
intentionally twisted what I really wrote ("execution is legal murder") into
what he wished, with his perverted mind, I had written.
Besides, PV just made a similar lie above, by asserting I believed "that 849
murderers are the same as millions of innocent Black slaves". I never wrote
that.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <3eccca01$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3jooavgaung9d9buacbuaqbf3gm0k2dumq%404a
x.com&rnum=1
Euro
===============================
The URL reference was a dead end.
Re: your claims...OK I will grant you the benefit of doubt, but I would still
like to see the relevant URL.
Jigsaw
ikke
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
Wrong channel, indeed. Whatever, I have neither the time nor the inclination
to get involved in the sort of rambling nonsense that characterises your
exchanges with so many other posters here.
So, let's deal with the facts, shall we? And let's do it step by step so
that there's no potential for misunderstanding.
Initially, you stated that Nev was "a worse virus than AIDS". This indicates
that you presume AIDS to_be_a virus. For if I say, "Fermin is a bigger bigot
than X", then, I hope you will agree, I am categorising "X" as a bigot,
otherwise the phrase has no real meaning. By the same logic, in saying Nev
is "a worse virus than AIDS", you were categorising AIDS as a virus.
I didn't comment at that stage. It was only when Nev pointed out to you that
AIDS is not a virus and you responded to this with numerous articles
containing the text "AIDS virus" as proof that he was incorrect, that I
joined in.
So, we find ourselves here.
1) AIDS_isn't_a virus. It is a condition caused_by_a virus. Do you agree?
2) The fact that AIDS is not a virus and the fact that HIV is often referred
to as "the AIDS virus" are not incompatible. Would you say that that is a
fair statement?
To post a list of references to the "AIDS virus", therefore, in_no_way
supports your initial suggestion that AIDS_is a virus.
Cheers
John
ikke
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> On Tue, 20 May 2003 21:54:34 +0100, "ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> >news:k5vkcvcllbs2pgvk7...@4ax.com...
(snip)
> >This being one of the first topics here to crop up on which I am actually
> >qualified to comment, I will submit my tuppence worth.
> >
> Arrrgggggg!.... Do I sense a roll of drums, and a burst of trumpets? Is
> that supposed to be a pronouncement reminiscent of the subdued panoply
> which surrounded the coronation of Napoleon?
Seemed like a harmless and relatively humble statement to me. But there you
go...
> >PV, the simple fact that you did a search for "AIDS virus" and came up
with
> >a bucketload of hits does not indicate that AIDS_is_a virus. It is most
> >definitely not - as most of the above articles go on to explain. AIDS is
the
> >syndrome, the degradation of the immune system (resulting in cancers
and/or
> >other problems)_caused_by HIV, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus but they
are
> >not one and the same. In fact, it says just that not 30 lines above this
> >one.
> >
> Another _argument_ of the 'chicken or the egg,' intending mostly to
> nitpick apart the words "AIDS virus," while it has a very specific
> meaning, quite apart from being HIV positive, while NOT having AIDS.
Could you just rephrase that one? I'm not quite sure what you mean.
> Whatever is the matter with some people? Preening themselves
> before this group with the most absurd displays of pseudo-intellectualism
> one can imagine.
Hypocrit.
> >For you to say that AIDS is a virus is akin to saying that glandular
> >fever_is_a virus...when in fact it is the result of infection_by_the
> >Epstein-Bar Virus, or that the common cold_is_a virus...when in fact it
is
> >caused by infection_by_a virus (often a rhino or coronavirus, if anyone
> >gives a toss). Sometimes viruses and the infections they cause are
generally
> >known by the same name...but not in this case.
> >
> There is no question that one may be HIV positive and NOT have AIDS.
Absolutely, it's quite possible. Indeed, the onset of AIDS can take years.
How does this relate you calling Nev "a worse virus than AIDS"?
> But once one contracts AIDS it is because of the virus... that virus
having
> CAUSED AIDS. In that case, it is well worth mentioning that it WAS
> a virus which caused that AIDS, and thus was an "AIDS virus."
Yup, I have no problem with the expression "AIDS virus". I hope that's
cleared that up. I have a problem with the expression "a worse virus than
AIDS".
> A point might be made that viral pneumonia was CAUSED by a virus
> which provided the contracting of pneumonia. While the virus itself
> might well have been the result of the influenza virus. Certainly the term
> "viral pneumonia" MEANS that the VIRUS caused pneumonia... in
> this case the "pneumonia virus." And the cause of death, if such death
> resulted would be "viral pneumonia," rather than "viral influenza." Just
> as HIV can LEAD to AIDS... and thus is a viral AIDS... meaning an
> AIDS causing virus which DID cause AIDS -- The "AIDS virus."
See above, "AIDS virus" is just fine with me.
> >To say that AIDS is a virus is, strictly speaking, incorrect.
> >
> >Any further virological questions gladly answered. Dismissed.
> >
> Actually, you are trying to "dismiss" a great number of references to
> the SPECIFIC phrase "AIDS virus," by a great number of competent
> medical authorities. Perhaps you could provide your medical
> credentials?
I'm not dismissing the term "AIDS virus", I'm dismissing the suggestion that
AIDS_is_a virus.
As regards those credentials, as I said, an honours degree in virology, but
an F grade in GCSE woodwork would suffice to establish this distinction.
> Might I again offer references from many recognized medical authorities
> which clearly speak of the "AIDS virus," in that EXACT term, as simply
> being the virus which CAUSED AIDS... that being the HIV, which does NOT
> mean that one also has AIDS. Many medical authorities speak of full-blown
> AIDS as the AID/HIV virus, associating that virus as the CAUSE of AIDS,
> independent of its possible existence without the coexistence of AIDS.
See
> again --
(snip list of interesting articles on AIDS and HIV)
> I believe if these references can use the term "AIDS virus," I am on
> rather firm ground as a layperson, with using the same term.
Indeed, you would be on rock solid ground.
But it comes down to this...you have provided your standard 10k of
gibberish, in which you justify use of the expression "AIDS virus".
Unfortunately, you did not use the term "AIDS virus" in your initial post
about Nev...you used the term "worse virus than AIDS".
I really do hope that you see and acknowledge the difference and the
importance thereof in the context of this argument.
> I fully understand the implication of the meaning of the term HIV (Human
> Immunodeficiency Virus), but to presume that one cannot speak of that
> as the CAUSE of AIDS, and thus the "AIDS virus," is pitifully weak,
You did not use the term "AIDS virus"...you used the term "worse virus than
AIDS".
(snip more of the same)
> Finally, you seem to have allied yourself with some "very strange" posters
here,
> my friend. My suggestion is that you take a step back... and determine
the
> direction you really wish to go... as a responsible abolitionist, such as
Mr. D.
> and John Rennie, presenting reasonable arguments, which I will certainly
> attempt to argue without rancor, or as a follower of Ol' Racist Nev (who
> wishes only to draw other racists into the group), and dirtbag (who uses
> terms such as "a fucking thalidomide afflicted cretin," and once posted to
> me "the last thing i had to get off my chest was was my own jism - your
> mother spat it back at me after i shot my load in her mouth").
PV, I am sorry that being corrected in a small matter upsets you.
That, after all, is what this comes down to. I chose to correct a mistake of
yours and you've flown off the handle.
Bloody hell, I've made plenty of mistakes on Usenet, without actually doing
a whole lot of posting. Given the amount of stuff you churn out it's hardly
surprising that you slip up now and then. I could have corrected you when
you initially made the error, I chose not to. It was only when you insisted
that you were right that I got involved.
Don't take it as an insult, don't dismiss me as a "responsible retentionist"
because I had the gall to point out an error.
Whether or not you are an adequate judge of what constitutes a "responsible"
poster is another matter.
> The choice is yours, but do not expect any quarter from me if you choose
> the wrong path. Since I have stated over and over here... that is not my
style.
The "wrong path"! LOL! You might as well have said "the dark side". Do with
your quarter what you will.
Please see my earlier post on this topic for a summarised clarification.
Cheers
John
A Planet Visitor
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>
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> news:kf2pcvgvp6uri7c05...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 22 May 2003 06:43:56 +0100, "ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net> wrote:
> >
> > <everything clipped>
> >
> > >As regards the remainder of your post, therefore (another fine example of
> > >the twisting of words that has made you something of a legend here)
> >
> > Actually, a rather specious argument of your own, wouldn't you say?
> > Since you certainly presume to speak in generalities rather than
> > specifics.
> > Perhaps your receiver has been turned to the wrong channel.
> >
> Wrong channel, indeed. Whatever, I have neither the time nor the inclination
> to get involved in the sort of rambling nonsense that characterises your
> exchanges with so many other posters here.
>
> So, let's deal with the facts, shall we? And let's do it step by step so
> that there's no potential for misunderstanding.
>
> Initially, you stated that Nev was "a worse virus than AIDS". This indicates
> that you presume AIDS to_be_a virus. For if I say, "Fermin is a bigger bigot
> than X", then, I hope you will agree, I am categorising "X" as a bigot,
> otherwise the phrase has no real meaning. By the same logic, in saying Nev
> is "a worse virus than AIDS", you were categorising AIDS as a virus.
>
Actually, that's a bit incorrect.. I was categorizing Ol' Racist Nev
as a "virus" infecting this group, worse than a "virus" that infects
a human with AIDS. The fact that you found my words imprecise
would seem to ME (my opinion) to demonstrate that it is more to
support Ol' Racist Nev than anything else. Unless you just intended
to display a bit of intellectualism.
> I didn't comment at that stage. It was only when Nev pointed out to you that
> AIDS is not a virus and you responded to this with numerous articles
> containing the text "AIDS virus" as proof that he was incorrect, that I
> joined in.
>
The POINT is Ol' Racist Nev was trying his usual slippery self
to avoid the identification of how dangerous he is to this group.
I've never seen anyone represent a greater danger, since his
PURPOSE is to change this group into a racist group, by
sucking other racists into it. Clearly even that great racist,
the Nameless One, values his racism highly, and would not
wish to _share it_ with other racists.
> So, we find ourselves here.
>
> 1) AIDS_isn't_a virus. It is a condition caused_by_a virus. Do you agree?
>
Of course... influenza isn't a virus, either. It's just caused
by the "influenza virus." Bu I do believe that if I had said
that Ol' Racist Nev is a "worse virus than influenza," not
a peep would have been offered in rebuttal.
> 2) The fact that AIDS is not a virus and the fact that HIV is often referred
> to as "the AIDS virus" are not incompatible. Would you say that that is a
> fair statement?
Quite true.
> To post a list of references to the "AIDS virus", therefore, in_no_way
> supports your initial suggestion that AIDS_is a virus.
>
If you say so... nonetheless, in a forum such as this,
it is generally seen as excessive nitpicking, in fact
pedantry, when others (quite clearly Ol' Racist Nev) use
various insults that actually contain no meaning, which
you have apparently chosen to ignore, while concentrating
on this rather _off-the-cuff_ comment which implied that his
presence in this group is similar to the presence of AIDS
in a person so afflicted. I was certainly not intending to
discuss in depth the source, symptoms and origin of AIDS.
I was making a COMPARISON of the Posts of Ol' Racist
Nev BEING similar to transmitting AIDS, and having transmitted
it to the _body of AADP_. Exactly what IS a "fuckwit," in
medical terms? Where was your comment in respect to Ol'
Racist Nev claiming that "One is not 'born Jewish' ? Or do
you also agree with that? Do you believe that statement
is true even in medical terms, given Tay-Sachs disease, and
its certain connection to Ashkenzi Jews? Or Bloom's
disorder in which every 1 out of 100 Ashkenzi Jews is a
carrier? Or Canavan disease in which 1 our of every 40
are carriers? Or Gaucher's disease where it is estimated
that 1 out of every 10 are carriers?
If it makes you happy, ikke. and you wish to walk away with
a self-satisfied grin on your face... AIDS is not a virus. It is
caused by a virus. Nonetheless, Ol' Racist Nev certainly
represents to this group what AIDS represents to a human
so infected. An illness so debilitating that death is a
common result. Which portends rather an ominous future for
AADP. Especially if he sucks other racists into this group,
and changes it into simply a racist dominated newsgroup.
Which was the meaning I was trying to convey... as a layperson,
and not a "medical authority." I rather see this commentary
as taking a direction which would hope to EXCUSE the racist
intent of Ol' Racist Nev, more than anything else.
And often, the very fact that there are those attempts to pick
apart each particular word in a post, simply provides the
opportunity to more fully explain what was meant in such
a comment. Which I cannot help but appreciate in the end.
PV
> Cheers
>
> John
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
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>
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> news:0ijncv84cdictiqkv...@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 20 May 2003 21:54:34 +0100, "ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> > >news:k5vkcvcllbs2pgvk7...@4ax.com...
>
> (snip)
>
> > >This being one of the first topics here to crop up on which I am actually
> > >qualified to comment, I will submit my tuppence worth.
> > >
> > Arrrgggggg!.... Do I sense a roll of drums, and a burst of trumpets? Is
> > that supposed to be a pronouncement reminiscent of the subdued panoply
> > which surrounded the coronation of Napoleon?
>
> Seemed like a harmless and relatively humble statement to me. But there you
> go...
>
The 'eye of the beholder,' ikke.
> > >PV, the simple fact that you did a search for "AIDS virus" and came up
> > >with
> > >a bucketload of hits does not indicate that AIDS_is_a virus. It is most
> > >definitely not - as most of the above articles go on to explain. AIDS is
> > > the
> > >syndrome, the degradation of the immune system (resulting in cancers
> > >and/or
> > >other problems)_caused_by HIV, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus but they
> > > are
> > >not one and the same. In fact, it says just that not 30 lines above this
> > >one.
> > >
> > Another _argument_ of the 'chicken or the egg,' intending mostly to
> > nitpick apart the words "AIDS virus," while it has a very specific
> > meaning, quite apart from being HIV positive, while NOT having AIDS.
>
> Could you just rephrase that one? I'm not quite sure what you mean.
>
When speaking of the "AIDS virus," I was speaking of someone
diagnosed with full-blown AIDS, with all the implications that
meaning carries. Certainly there are many who are HIV-positive,
infected with HIV who are NOT in the AIDS stage, and with some
current treatments may never contract that full-blown AIDS.
Thus, not being diagnosed as in full-blown AIDS, they obviously
cannot be said to have the "AIDS virus."
> > Whatever is the matter with some people? Preening themselves
> > before this group with the most absurd displays of pseudo-intellectualism
> > one can imagine.
>
> Hypocrit.
>
Heh... my job is to search it out... since I have never claimed
to be intellectually "superior," as so many others have claimed.
Although given some of the displays of pseudo-intellectualism
from others (not here, ikke, do not take this personally), it is not
that difficult to "appear" intellectual in comparison. If you feel
that you were not attempting some pseudo-intellectualism I
believe you. Rest easy... no need to get so defensive.
> > >For you to say that AIDS is a virus is akin to saying that glandular
> > >fever_is_a virus...when in fact it is the result of infection_by_the
> > >Epstein-Bar Virus, or that the common cold_is_a virus...when in fact it
> > >is
> > >caused by infection_by_a virus (often a rhino or coronavirus, if anyone
> > >gives a toss). Sometimes viruses and the infections they cause are
> > > generally
> > >known by the same name...but not in this case.
> > >
> > There is no question that one may be HIV positive and NOT have AIDS.
>
> Absolutely, it's quite possible. Indeed, the onset of AIDS can take years.
> How does this relate you calling Nev "a worse virus than AIDS"?
>
That would be in respect to the damage I see that he intends to inflict
on this group with his racism.
> > But once one contracts AIDS it is because of the virus... that virus
> > having
> > CAUSED AIDS. In that case, it is well worth mentioning that it WAS
> > a virus which caused that AIDS, and thus was an "AIDS virus."
>
> Yup, I have no problem with the expression "AIDS virus". I hope that's
> cleared that up. I have a problem with the expression "a worse virus than
> AIDS".
>
Well...that's relative... granted that it might be a poor choice of
words... since comparing the effect on this GROUP, and the
effect on someone ACTUALLY having AIDS, is irresponsible
on my part. Call it speaking in the pejorative, or using a form
of rhetoric which ignored the actual effects on a REAL human,
afflicted by AIDS. Obviously this GROUP is not a living
organism, and no damage to this group can be compared to
damage of a REAL HUMAN. The demise of this group, and
the demise of a REAL HUMAN have no comparative meaning.
Thus, I was obviously using hyperbole and it should not be
taken LITERALLY, as presuming the damage Ol' Racist Nev
does to this group can in any measure be compared to the
ACTUAL damage done to a REAL HUMAN by AIDS. If
it bothers you that I have taken such liberties in my language
in expressing my views of the damage that Ol' Racist Nev
does to this group... then without anger, or rancor, or any
sense of an excuse, or an insult... I do offer my apology. I did
not intend to imply that there was some ACTUAL PHYSICAL
connection to the point I was trying to make.
> > A point might be made that viral pneumonia was CAUSED by a virus
> > which provided the contracting of pneumonia. While the virus itself
> > might well have been the result of the influenza virus. Certainly the term
> > "viral pneumonia" MEANS that the VIRUS caused pneumonia... in
> > this case the "pneumonia virus." And the cause of death, if such death
> > resulted would be "viral pneumonia," rather than "viral influenza." Just
> > as HIV can LEAD to AIDS... and thus is a viral AIDS... meaning an
> > AIDS causing virus which DID cause AIDS -- The "AIDS virus."
>
> See above, "AIDS virus" is just fine with me.
Where did we go wrong?
> > >To say that AIDS is a virus is, strictly speaking, incorrect.
> > >
> > >Any further virological questions gladly answered. Dismissed.
> > >
> > Actually, you are trying to "dismiss" a great number of references to
> > the SPECIFIC phrase "AIDS virus," by a great number of competent
> > medical authorities. Perhaps you could provide your medical
> > credentials?
>
> I'm not dismissing the term "AIDS virus", I'm dismissing the suggestion that
> AIDS_is_a virus.
>
I agree.
I don't know, ikke... Once again, I really see you trying to make
more out of it than there is to make, other than the fact I've stated
above in my apology. When I say "worse virus than AIDS," that
seems to me to be the SAME as saying "worse than the AIDS
virus." And you now say you have no problem with using the
term "AIDS virus." In any case... that was my INTENTION in my
words.. although I well recognize that "worse" was silly, and
anyone presuming to make the connection of the effect the
virus itself has on a human to the effect that Ol' Racist Nev has
on this group, is taking it totally out of context, since I certainly
did not mean in a LITERAL SENSE. Repeating... there is no
possibility to LITERALLY compare the damage ANYONE could
do to this group, to the damage that can be done to a REAL,
LIVE HUMAN in ANY RESPECT. This is NOT a human organism.
I would also state in a rhetorical meaning that Ol' Racist Nev
represents to AADP, what Chernobyl represented to "safe
nuclear power," but that certainly doesn't mean I literally compare
the DAMAGE he does to this group, to the DAMAGE that
Chernobyl did to HUMANS. It's absurd to imply that is the
meaning intended. The entire demise of this group is not worth
one pimple on the ass of a REAL HUMAN. This is simply
a medium of communication. Not REAL, in the sense of
a living organism.
> (snip more of the same)
>
> > Finally, you seem to have allied yourself with some "very strange" posters
> > here,
> > my friend. My suggestion is that you take a step back... and determine
> > the
> > direction you really wish to go... as a responsible abolitionist, such as
> > Mr. D.
> > and John Rennie, presenting reasonable arguments, which I will certainly
> > attempt to argue without rancor, or as a follower of Ol' Racist Nev (who
> > wishes only to draw other racists into the group), and dirtbag (who uses
> > terms such as "a fucking thalidomide afflicted cretin," and once posted to
> > me "the last thing i had to get off my chest was was my own jism - your
> > mother spat it back at me after i shot my load in her mouth").
>
> PV, I am sorry that being corrected in a small matter upsets you.
>
Just trying to ascertain where you are coming from, ikke. I am well
aware that my views upset a number of people here, and I react when
I believe those views are trying to be distorted.
> That, after all, is what this comes down to. I chose to correct a mistake of
> yours and you've flown off the handle.
>
> Bloody hell, I've made plenty of mistakes on Usenet, without actually doing
> a whole lot of posting. Given the amount of stuff you churn out it's hardly
> surprising that you slip up now and then. I could have corrected you when
> you initially made the error, I chose not to. It was only when you insisted
> that you were right that I got involved.
>
> Don't take it as an insult, don't dismiss me as a "responsible retentionist"
> because I had the gall to point out an error.
>
> Whether or not you are an adequate judge of what constitutes a "responsible"
> poster is another matter.
Actually... that CHOICE to determine what constitutes a
"responsible" poster is always MINE... it remains my right
to form an opinion... as to whether "I" find a poster to be
"responsible." Just as it is your choice... your right to
form an opinion... as to what "you" find constitutes a
"responsible" poster.
However; whether either of us are an "adequate judge," is
not ours to decide. The words we place here will decide that,
in the 'eye of the beholder' of others. We are not the "judges."
We remain only witnesses giving testimony in the words
we post here. I have never claimed to be an "adequate judge,"
most especially of the DP... as I've said a number of times that
I am "willing to accept the fact that I not only do not have all of
the answers - I'm not even sure any of us are asking the right
questions." I would NEVER presume to have "all the answers"
to any question revolving around human nature. And if you are
unaware of who or what I am, I once posted a small amount of
information that I will not repeat again -- see
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=QwBJ6.190947%24o9.27617498%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com
Finally, I have NEVER argued that someone cannot speak what's
on their mind. I have ALWAYS argued that our words here should
not be the final judge, which others MUST use in forming THEIR
opinion in any way... others must make those choices for themselves.
However; I will never permit any belief that I cannot speak what is
on my mind here. It's an emotional outlet that I will only surrender
on my own terms.
> > The choice is yours, but do not expect any quarter from me if you choose
> > the wrong path. Since I have stated over and over here... that is not my
> style.
>
> The "wrong path"! LOL! You might as well have said "the dark side". Do with
> your quarter what you will.
>
We all see the 'dark side' as representing certain things. And
we have opinions on the _right path_ and the _wrong path_. I
was speaking of course of a path which causes us to begin a
discourse which is unpleasant to me, as I have been (IMHO)
forced to observe that others have taken such a path (IMHO).
Clearly those who I see have already taken that _wrong path_
(IMHO) are --
The Nameless One
JPB
Ol' Racist Nev
dirtdog
euro
peter morris
spike (now gone)
Unfortunately, their 'points' are expressed in vulgarities, lies,
distortion, racism, bigotry, anti-Semitism, love for murderers,
threats to kill me, threats to torture and kill all retentionists,
personal insults directed toward me and others, and other
rather disgusting (IMHO) characteristics. Those 'points' that
they have used placed me in a polarized moral position to
them.. where I find their stand immoral, and they can find
in me what they wish. Such polarization obviously no longer
having any real meaning to the DP itself. It is simply
what I see as their attempts at character assassination, wtih
them presuming those points can substitute for arguments in
respect to "reasonable abolition," and my attempts to disclose
the evidence of their behavior in respect to the points I've
mentioned.
It is perhaps illuminating to notice that each of those I've
mentioned are European, which would seem to demonstrate
a certain cultural clash. A European culture more attuned to
by their leaders to _follow along with their noses_ and
find everything right with their society, and nothing right with
the U.S. society, with the DP being the lever they exert to
express some form of _moral superiority_. Whether that is a
manifestation of "penis envy" (a feeling of inadequacy), or
simply self-loathing at their own existence is not for me to
decide other than to express my opinion that I have seen
both of those patterns having manifested themselves at
various times from the posts of those I've mentioned.
I've stated before that I spent 26 years of my adult life in Europe,
and I doubt seriously if the combined time spent in the U.S.,
of all those seven that I've listed constitutes even a tenth of that
time. Whether that means anything in respect to a better
perception of both sides of that cultural clash, is not for me to
determine... but for the 'eye of the beholder,' to examine.
What I CAN say, is that in my opinion, those seven DO NOT
represent the typical European mentality that I observed in my
26 years of adult life spent throughout Europe. Unfortunately,
I believe a certain courser element of European mentality, one
that I'd characterize as 'redneck European,' tends to gravitate
toward Usenet, and AADP, of course. There is no question in
my mind that those seven mentioned meet every criteria of a
"redneck European," IMHO. Their mentality being aggressively
Nationalistic, to the point that the E.U., assumes an almost
omnipotent presence... while there is an underlying current
of xenophobia that courses through much of their posts.
Sooo. to return to the original point... the question is whether you
would join them, or whether you intend to argue from a different
perspective than the perspective I've seen them argue from? As
I said... the choice is yours.
It is also illuminating to note that there are very few posters here
lving in the U.S., immersed in the daily functions of the U.S., who
post opposed to the DP. Let me say that I value THEIR opinions
much more than I could value any opinion of a "foreigner," who
is not that familiar with the actual day-to-day mechanics of living
in the U.S.
To be frank... I find that the views of Europeans toward the U.S.
must by definition be a bit biased toward presuming that the U.S.
must follow the same path that they follow. Certainly I find that is
an obsession with those seven posters I have mentioned. Yet
that makes little sense to me, since I do not presume that they
must follow the same path as the U.S.
> Please see my earlier post on this topic for a summarised clarification.
>
Already answered..
PV
> Cheers
>
> John
>
>
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:k5vkcvcllbs2pgvk7...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 May 2003 21:09:23 +0100, dirtdog
><dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 19 May 2003 11:42:38 -0700, honest_...@yahoo.co.uk (Honest Nev)
>> >unfairly thrashed FuckWit's arse:
>> >
>> >>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>news:<T31ya.53580$N45.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>> >>
>> >><snip>
>> >>
>> >>> He is a worse virus than AIDS.
>> >>
>> >>AIDS is not a "virus", you dim twat.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Now do one, you daft old duffer!
>> >
>> >
>> >LOL!
>> >
>> >A round of applause for Neville!
>> >
>> ROTFLMAO... You do find some 'strange bedfellows,' Louise. euro,
>> The Nameless One, and Ol' Racist Nev, to name only three. One who
>> believes that 849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent Black
>> slaves, and claims there is such a thing as "legal murder."
>
>That makes more sense than claiming that human rights should apply to
>animals, and is more correct than implying one's opponents has zoophile
>tendencies.
>
Actually, it was you who presumed that a zoophile engages in "human-animal
sexual intercourse." And a more disgusting comment I cannot imagine. Since
a zoophile is actually concerned with abuse to animals.
>PS: Can you provide one URL where I claimed that "849 murderers are the same
>as millions of innocent Black slaves"? No. That was, once again, PV caught
>red-handed twisting what others wrote.
>
Of course... that would your Uriah Heep but ignorant conclusion that you
see the DP as the SAME as slavery, in
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3eb24c11%241_1%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words -- "in my view, opposition to death penalty is just like opposition to
torture and slavery."
You view your opposition to the execution 854 proven murderers in 25 years,
as "just like" opposition to slavery, which was the enslavement of millions of
innocent Blacks over hundreds of years.
Quite clearly, you have argued that those 854 proven murderers are JUST
AS VALUABLE as those millions of innocent slaves.
PV
>Euro
>
>(remaining PV verbal diarrhea snipped - as usual it was inconsistent,
>visquous and quite putrid, but one can't hope for anything else from an
>asshole)
>
If you think your childish insult does anything other than confirm how
totally beaten into an emotional heap you are, think again --
From the corner where he lies, whimpering and intellectually
whipped, with his tail tucked between his legs, euro provides not one
word of intellectual content... as usual. Alternating between licking his
balls, sniffing his ass, examining his own excreta, and believing a snarling
insult can substitute for such intellectual content. How typical.
A Planet Visitor
>
>"ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net>
>??????:fHwya.13$GF...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>Geez... PV isn't much more talented off topic than on topic, really...
>
SLURP... SLURP... SLURP...
At least I don't value 849 proven murderers as much as millions of
innocent slaves. That's YOUR BAG.
PV
>Euro
>
ikke
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>
> "ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net> wrote in message
news:_v4za.8924$eq2...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> > "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> > news:kf2pcvgvp6uri7c05...@4ax.com...
(snip)
> If you say so... nonetheless, in a forum such as this,
> it is generally seen as excessive nitpicking, in fact
> pedantry, when others (quite clearly Ol' Racist Nev) use
> various insults that actually contain no meaning, which
> you have apparently chosen to ignore, while concentrating
> on this rather _off-the-cuff_ comment which implied that his
> presence in this group is similar to the presence of AIDS
> in a person so afflicted.
Please!!!
I have to say, I've never encountered someone with quite your ability to
"pad out" a discussion and to perceive the worst intentions in others. My
initial mail, a simple correction of a mistake (nitpicking, if you prefer)
has exploded into verbiage covering all manner of accusations and warnings
about my future conduct here.
For all my "excessive nitpicking", I really think that sometimes you just
read too much into people's comments. Some things just need to be taken at
face value. My coming in to correct you was the result of a combination of
chance that I happened upon the thread, your initial refusal to accept your
error, and my own personal interest in virology. That's all there is to it,
though you may convince yourself otherwise.
> I was certainly not intending to
> discuss in depth the source, symptoms and origin of AIDS.
> I was making a COMPARISON of the Posts of Ol' Racist
> Nev BEING similar to transmitting AIDS, and having transmitted
> it to the _body of AADP_. Exactly what IS a "fuckwit," in
> medical terms? Where was your comment in respect to Ol'
> Racist Nev claiming that "One is not 'born Jewish' ? Or do
> you also agree with that? Do you believe that statement
> is true even in medical terms, given Tay-Sachs disease, and
> its certain connection to Ashkenzi Jews? Or Bloom's
> disorder in which every 1 out of 100 Ashkenzi Jews is a
> carrier? Or Canavan disease in which 1 our of every 40
> are carriers? Or Gaucher's disease where it is estimated
> that 1 out of every 10 are carriers?
Failure to question every obscure statement made here on AADP hardly signals
acceptance thereof.
> If it makes you happy, ikke. and you wish to walk away with
> a self-satisfied grin on your face... AIDS is not a virus. It is
> caused by a virus.
Correcting someone is not necessarily about demonstrating any perceived
superiority, PV. So I won't be sporting a self-satisfied grin.
(continuation of one of PV's many slanging matches snipped)
Cheers
John
Neville 'the Jackal' FitzHerbert, esq.
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<T31ya.53580$N45.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>
> <snip>
>
> > He is a worse virus than AIDS.
>
> AIDS is not a "virus", you dim twat.
"Ol' Racist Nev has managed to make a fool of himself again...
... the absurd claim that AIDS is not a virus... "
(A Planet Visitor [2003-05-20])
"... AIDS is not a virus. It is caused by a virus. "
(A Planet Visitor [2003-05-22])
LMAO, FW!
Now do one, you daft old duffer!
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
??????:20030522092512...@mb-m15.aol.com...
I confirm you the URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3jooavgaung9d9buacbuaqbf3gm0k2dumq404ax
.com
That works on my browser.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:8kdrcvg0js9v000oq...@4ax.com...
Neither do I. That's one more of your obsessions, and you can't even bring a
URL to support what you affirm I wrote.
Keep doing so: the more you do, the more persons realize you're a liar.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
>Message-id: <3eced323$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
Maybe so, but this is what I got when I tried the URL you gave me. I have put
two asterisks above the relevant passage.
Groups
Advanced Groups Search Preferences Groups Help
**
message id or article number 3jooavgaung9d9buacbuaqbf3gm0k2dumq404ax not found.
But, I will take your word that the message is as you say it is.
I am wondering however...never mind.
Jigsaw
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:birqcvccdvo6n2fgc...@4ax.com...
That doesn't meean that "849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent
Black slaves".
> You view your opposition to the execution 854 proven murderers in 25
years,
> as "just like" opposition to slavery, which was the enslavement of
millions of
> innocent Blacks over hundreds of years.
No. Besides, I don't see what, in the sentence "in my view, opposition to
death penalty is just like opposition to torture and slavery", indicates I
limit myself to the last 25 years of death penalty.
Argument dismissed. Once again, PV, your ego makes you believe you are more
competent to say what others think than the others themselves. Once again,
you tried to twist my words to make them correspond to what you wish I had
argued.
Once again, you fooled yourself and appear here as a fool.
Euro
Euro
"ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net>
??????:NFrza.12427$EF1....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> news:Z0dza.59998$ZA1.9...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> >
> > "ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net> wrote in message
> news:_v4za.8924$eq2...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> > > news:kf2pcvgvp6uri7c05...@4ax.com...
>
> (snip)
>
> > If you say so... nonetheless, in a forum such as this,
> > it is generally seen as excessive nitpicking, in fact
> > pedantry, when others (quite clearly Ol' Racist Nev) use
> > various insults that actually contain no meaning, which
> > you have apparently chosen to ignore, while concentrating
> > on this rather _off-the-cuff_ comment which implied that his
> > presence in this group is similar to the presence of AIDS
> > in a person so afflicted.
>
> Please!!!
>
> I have to say, I've never encountered someone with quite your ability to
> "pad out" a discussion and to perceive the worst intentions in others. My
> initial mail, a simple correction of a mistake (nitpicking, if you prefer)
> has exploded into verbiage covering all manner of accusations and warnings
> about my future conduct here.
>
That's typically PV's way of functionning. PV just doesn't bear
contradiction and anyone who contradicts him becomes a "pedant" before being
called a whole series of other names.
The list of people who have been insulted by PV because they didn't agree
with him grows regularly. The systematic feature of this kind of drift leads
to question PV's mental functioning: when you end up insulting almost
everyone, it is hugh time to undergo a thourough self-conscience exam. The
quality of the discussions on this group would be largely enhanced if PV
reached that conclusion.
Euro
John Rennie
"ikke" <ik...@NOSPAMwho.net> wrote in message
As one John to another I advise that you have yet to plumb the
depths of PV's pervesity or capacity to keep an argument going
until all around have either died of old age or have be bored
witless. . (The controversy of whether AIDS is a virus or not
has expanded into whether FW is a fuckwit or not.) You will
never be able to sign off a thread where you have disagreed
with him - he is determined to be the 'last man standing' in
any argument whether he has been proved wrong, as he has
here by you, or not. Don't respond to his inevitable response.
Let him 'win' - he will have satisfied himself but only himself.
A Planet Visitor
<The Nameless One pathetic whine on>
Old age has not been good to you, John... It's turned you into a rather
bitter curmudgeon. :-) It's only Usenet, sport... It's not
Armageddon. The reason we're here is to argue, and you'd deprive
an old man of his hobby and pleasure. I would hope that it has
only been this forum that has turned you so disagreeable lately.
And not something personal that you feel the need to be so sour as
of late.
<The Nameless One pathetic whine off>
The fact is, I grudgingly admitted that in precise terms ikke was,
of course, correct. Everyone but PV is correct... Happy???
Make your day? Nonetheless, no one seems to hold posters here
to any precision, when they happen to AGREE with their overall
comment, regardless of how convoluted or imprecise. There are
ACTUAL factual misstatements, ("legal murder" for one), which
change the ENTIRE MEANING of the comment in respect to
the English language, and then there are those that simply result
from a play on words, which actually do not try to overturn the
meaning of the English language, that everyone of reason should
recognize. Obviously my original comment "He is a worse virus
than AIDS." I don't actually believe ANYONE would expect that
I meant that LITERALLY, in spite of its imprecision. Obviously,
an inanimate object such as a rock, or AADP cannot contract
AIDS, regardless. Funny enough, I see little denouncement of
FACTUAL misstatements, and much regarding the tiny misuse
of understood meanings when the agenda diverges. I STILL find
it to be nitpicking -- started by Ol' Racist Nev, of course -- to
change the course of my comment.
Nor do I believe it amounted to a hill-of-beans But I was not
the first who changed the direction of my words from a comment
on the effect I see that Ol' Racist Nev has on this group (he HAS
certainly tried to draw other racists into the group, with his
cross-posting to alt.circumcision), into one of a pedantic nature,
in the way I worded my comment, which was rather plain to anyone
not wishing to change it into a pedantic nature.
Yes... quite right... everyone is right... PV is totally inaccurate Spank
me... spank me... spank me. Ol' Racist Nev is NOT a worse virus
than AIDS, because AIDS is not a virus. But this group is nevertheless
infected by his rather perverse nature. Which I believe carries more
importance than the turn the thread took. Even in the worst days of
dirtdog, I still responded to his perverse side. Ol' Racist Nev FEEDS
off of that, and only tries to suck more racists into this group. That is
essentially the nature of a virus... trying to grow at an exponential rate.
This is the RHETORIC point I was trying to make... but it doesn't
look as it a vaccine is currently available.
PV
A Planet Visitor
Of course you did, euro... why would you keep denying your own words? -- see
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3eb24c11%241_1%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words -- "opposition to death penalty is just like opposition to torture and
slavery"
There is no question there that your opposition to the execution of 849 proven
murderers in 25 years is JUST LIKE your opposition to slavery. Those
millions of innocent Blacks kept in slavery over hundreds of years, are NO
different than 849 proven murderers in 25 years. There is no other way to
interpret that... since you certainly do not presume that your opposition to slavery
is ANY GREATER than your opposition to the DP... they are ONE AND
THE SAME TO YOU. I believe opposition to slavery and opposition to
the DP are not even in the SAME FUCKING UNIVERSE. But then.. I'm
not YOU.
PV
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
Your browser must be communicating via an Iraqi satellite. For you defining a
"thing" called "legal murder," see
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e6f4cb0%241_7%40news.meganetnews.com
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3eac7270%241_4%40news.meganetnews.com
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3eadc338%241_3%40news.meganetnews.com
and a few others places where you have said "executions are legal murders." You may
twist and turn all you wish...
but the fact is you have SAID executions == legal murder.
You have thus DEFINED a particular murder which you claim is LEGAL.
Only a perverted mind (???) would try to imply that using "legal murder" as what
executions ARE is somehow not CLAIMING that "legal murder" actually exists.
If they ARE -- they EXIST in your claim. That being said -- given that you presume
there is such a thing as "legal murder," then murder is either "illegal" or "legal"
and you have defined a class of murder which you claim is LEGAL, thus you have
certainly SAID "MURDER IS LEGAL" -- in some instance. That being executions.
Your sentence can be perfectly reconstructed as being the SAME as "Murder is
legal when it is an execution." Thus -- "murder is legal" in your view.
For showing that you "believed "that 849 murderers are the same as millions of
innocent Black slaves" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3eb24c11%241_1%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words -- "opposition to death penalty is just like opposition to torture and
slavery"
There is no question there that your opposition to the execution of 849 proven
murderers in 25 years is JUST LIKE your opposition to slavery. You see
them with ABSOLUTELY no difference in dimension. Those millions of
innocent Blacks kept in slavery over hundreds of years, are NO different than
849 proven murderers in 25 years to you. There is no other way to
interpret that... since you certainly do not presume that your opposition to slavery
is ANY GREATER than your opposition to the DP... they are ONE AND
THE SAME TO YOU. You oppose slavery to no greater extent than you
oppose the execution of 849 proven murderers in 25 years. I believe opposition
A Planet Visitor
Don't do it.PV!!! Hold back... control yourself... bite your tongue...don't say
it.... Awwww... shit... my 'wicked' instinct wins again ---- That looked like more
SLURP... SLURP... SLURP..
The more things change... the more they stay the same.
PV
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
See my other post, since you have both claimed that "murder is legal" because
your statement that "executions are legal murders" can be rewritten without
changing the meaning at all as "murders are legal if they are executions."
And you certainly have stated that you believe the execution of 849 proven
murderers is the SAME as the enslavement of millions of slaves over hundred
of years.
PV
A Planet Visitor
Of course it does, you silly shit. You view them BOTH as equal.
Your opposition to one is "just like" your opposition to the other.
Thus, you would TRADE one for the other. If forced to choose
in respect to your opposition you find NO DIFFERENCE between
849 proven murderers and millions of innocent slaves.
Even YOUR limited understanding of English should provide you the
ability to recognize WHAT YOU SAY.
I would NEVER presume that the DP in the U.S. could EVER be
COMPARED in any respect to SLAVERY. You have simply made
a pathetic fool of yourself with such a comparison. You HAVE
compared the DP and slavery, and claimed your opposition to either
is the SAME. Finding NO DIFFERENCE between 849 proven
murderers and million of innocent slaves.
>> You view your opposition to the execution 854 proven murderers in 25
>years,
>> as "just like" opposition to slavery, which was the enslavement of
>millions of
>> innocent Blacks over hundreds of years.
>
>No.
Yes, euro... I didn't say it... YOU DID!!!
> Besides, I don't see what, in the sentence "in my view, opposition to
>death penalty is just like opposition to torture and slavery", indicates I
>limit myself to the last 25 years of death penalty.
Well, let's look at that... exactly what DP ARE you speaking of? Dare
you speak of the holocaust as the DP? When compared to the U.S.
DP? Are you going to compare THEM now? Certainly didn't slavery
of those executed PRECEDE any murders? I see you AGAIN... doing
a good deal of squirming, because your opposition is certainly focused
on the PRESENT U.S. DP. In any respect, slavery throughout history,
compared to the DP throughout history provides a striking contrast
of INNOCENTS vs. presumed guilty. And now BILLIONS of innocents
compared to a much lesser number of guilty executed under all DPs.
What you have presumed in your statement, regardless of how you would
now try to wiggle out of it (as usual), is that your opposition to the
execution of MURDERERS - which is the DP --- is the SAME as your
opposition to the enslavement of INNOCENTS - which is SLAVERY.
And by a HUGE factor of difference in numbers, comparing a small number
of murderers to those huge number of innocents placed in enslavement,
regardless of what time frame is seen..
What was obvious in your comment is you were trying to compare
the PRESENT DP in the U.S., with SLAVERY as it existed in
respect to the Black. And the more back you intend to take it...
the more SLAVERY looms as a LARGER insult to our species,
than the DP EVER did.
>Argument dismissed.
And you lose. And it seems like humanity suffers a bit in your loss...
since you see a small number of murderers equal to a vast number
of innocents placed in enslavement.
> Once again, PV, your ego makes you believe you are more
>competent to say what others think than the others themselves.
Actually, you've put your finger exactly on your problem. It seems
you don't actually have eisoptrophobia. You simply see MY image
when you look in the mirror, instead of your own that is actually
there.
> Once again, you tried to twist my words to make them correspond
> to what you wish I had argued.
You're the one who wrote them, sport. The moving finger writes..
and all that jazz... and if you can't justify them, you should be more
careful when you write them, 'cause all your crying ain't gonna'
wipe away one word of it. But that's much of your problem... You
seem to open your mouth only to change whatever foot you
presently have in it.
>
>Once again, you fooled yourself and appear here as a fool.
>
I don't think so.. and I'll be reminding you of how you compare the DP -
which executes convicted murderers (849 in the U.S. at the time of
the original comment you made), to millions upon millions of innocent
Black slaves, ripped from the heart of Africa and displaced to a life
of slavery, and find them EQUAL. Whenever I feel like reminding you.
PV
>Euro
Honest Nev
> >> Of course... that would your Uriah Heep but ignorant conclusion that you
> >> see the DP as the SAME as slavery, in
> >>
> url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3eb24c11%241_1%40news.meganetnews.com
> >> Your words -- "in my view, opposition to death penalty is just like
> opposition to
> >> torture and slavery."
> >
> >That doesn't meean that "849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent
> >Black slaves".
> >
> Of course it does, you silly shit.
He's quite right, FW: it doesn't.
Most people who seek the abolition of the death-penalty also seek the
abolition of slavery (a practice which still continues in the world
today despite yr blinkered US-centric wank).
<snip>
> Even YOUR limited understanding of English should provide you the
> ability to recognize WHAT YOU SAY.
LOL, that's a bit rich, FuckWit!
'Outted'!
> I would NEVER presume that the DP in the U.S. could EVER be
> COMPARED in any respect to SLAVERY.
Who said anthing about the US _at all_?
A state that slays it's citizens (i.e the DP) is much more likely to
accept slave-labour as being 'okay'. Look around the world, FW, and
tell me if I'm wrong.
<snip>
> > Besides, I don't see what, in the sentence "in my view, opposition to
> >death penalty is just like opposition to torture and slavery", indicates I
> >limit myself to the last 25 years of death penalty.
>
> Well, let's look at that... exactly what DP ARE you speaking of? Dare
> you speak of the holocaust as the DP? When compared to the U.S.
> DP? Are you going to compare THEM now? Certainly didn't slavery
> of those executed PRECEDE any murders?
Whoa ho! FuckWit's just made the link all on his own... well done you
old duffer!!!
<snip>
Now do one, you daft old twat!
Yrs,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
> From the corner where he lies, whimpering and intellectually
> whipped, with his tail tucked between his legs, euro provides not one
> word of intellectual content... as usual. Alternating between licking his
> balls [1] , sniffing his ass [2], examining his own excreta [3], and
> believing a snarling insult can substitute for such intellectual content. [4] > How typical.
Fuckin Hell! 'Alternating' between _four_ things this time! Will FW
ever learn to speak English?
Just passing by
> A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<j626dv00698fp3h4i...@4ax.com>...
>
> > >> Of course... that would your Uriah Heep but ignorant conclusion that you
> > >> see the DP as the SAME as slavery, in
> > >>
> url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3eb24c11%241_1%40news.meganetnews.com
> > >> Your words -- "in my view, opposition to death penalty is just like
> opposition to
> > >> torture and slavery."
> > >
> > >That doesn't meean that "849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent
> > >Black slaves".
> > >
> > Of course it does, you silly shit.
>
> He's quite right, FW: it doesn't.
PV knows that perfectly well, just as he knew what Desmond really
meant when he, quite literally rewrote Desmond's sentence by inserting
a fraudulent full stop to completely change its meaning, and just as
he knew perfectly well that I was referring only to his BOGUS tribute
to MLK, and not to ANY such tribute when I called it a gimmick.
But PV has a very long history of PRETENDING to misunderstand the
words of others before telling deliberate lies, because this gives him
a "get-out" of appearing to have simply misunderstood when his lies
are exposed.
And it was PV who attempted to destroy a tribute to Martin Luther
King, posted by a group member called Jane, to mark MLK Day 2002. PV
told her to "Go marry a murderer," and, almost unbelievably given the
proven and now even ADMITTED ulterior motive for posting his own BOGUS
MLK Day tribute exactly a year later, he wrote the following words:
"But using the name of M.L. King to pursue her PERSONAL agenda, is
going quite too far."
Can you believe the staggering hypocrisy of this utter phoney? No, I
couldn't at first, but it really is true.
A Planet Visitor
>honest_...@yahoo.co.uk (Honest Nev) wrote in message news:<a5ec705.03052...@posting.google.com>...
>> A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<j626dv00698fp3h4i...@4ax.com>...
>>
>> > >> Of course... that would your Uriah Heep but ignorant conclusion that you
>> > >> see the DP as the SAME as slavery, in
>> > >>
>> url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3eb24c11%241_1%40news.meganetnews.com
>> > >> Your words -- "in my view, opposition to death penalty is just like
>> opposition to
>> > >> torture and slavery."
>> > >
>> > >That doesn't meean that "849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent
>> > >Black slaves".
>> > >
>> > Of course it does, you silly shit.
>>
>> He's quite right, FW: it doesn't.
>
>
>PV knows that perfectly well, just as he knew what Desmond really
>meant when he, quite literally rewrote Desmond's sentence by inserting
>a fraudulent full stop to completely change its meaning, and just as
>he knew perfectly well that I was referring only to his BOGUS tribute
>to MLK, and not to ANY such tribute when I called it a gimmick.
>
SLURP... SLURP... SLURP.. Right up to ANOTHER racist. You
guys really have something going here... and it stinks to high heaven.
If you're trying to regain some "credibility," you won't find it in
Ol' Racist Nev. But ...any port in a storm.. right? You'll take it
any place you can get it about now.
I never "rewrite" sentences. Clearly stating an opposition to the DP
is "just like" opposition to slavery, can be seen as nothing other than
the same as having no difference in your opposition to one or the other.
Thus your opposition to the execution of murderers is JUST LIKE
your opposition to the slavery of innocents. And means you would
TRADE one for the other. Thus, euro's opposition to the execution
of murderers is NO DIFFERENT than his opposition to the millions of
innocents who have been placed in slavery. He sees NO DIFFERENCE
between the two concepts, finding murderers to have the same value
as innocent slaves, regardless of their numbers or the fact that one
group has been found guilty of murder, and the others are innocent of
any crime. They are ALL THE SAME to him.
I certainly do not presume that the DP can be compared to slavery.
Do you? Do YOU see a difference between the DP and slavery?
euro didn't. No difference at all. Of course, you've never answered
one of my questions yet, so I presume this will be no different.
>But PV has a very long history of PRETENDING to misunderstand the
>words of others before telling deliberate lies, because this gives him
>a "get-out" of appearing to have simply misunderstood when his lies
>are exposed.
>
Hardly anything that one cannot understand when using words such
as "just like." In fact, what he is trying to do is presume that his opposition
to the DP assumes the SAME DIMENSIONS that opposition to slavery
assumes, which is most certainly placing murderers on the same level as
slaves.
>And it was PV who attempted to destroy a tribute to Martin Luther
>King, posted by a group member called Jane, to mark MLK Day 2002. PV
>told her to "Go marry a murderer," and, almost unbelievably given the
>proven and now even ADMITTED ulterior motive for posting his own BOGUS
>MLK Day tribute exactly a year later, he wrote the following words:
>
Actually, that's what she implied she intended to do. Ah... more proof
of your racism... now my WORDS were bogus. You'd be laughable,
if the meaning of your agenda (which is racism) were not actually so
destructive to the human spirit.
>"But using the name of M.L. King to pursue her PERSONAL agenda, is
>going quite too far."
>
Actually, M.L. King did not support MURDERERS. That was the
PERSONAL agenda of Jane. This was the point I made... I attacked
BOTH her words and her, unlike you who presumed you could attack
me without attacking my words... until backed into a corner and forced
to admit you are a racist who finds an expression of equality of the
races to be a "gimmick," quite aside from arguing that MLK supported
murderers as Jane presumed.
>Can you believe the staggering hypocrisy of this utter phoney? No, I
>couldn't at first, but it really is true.
ROTFLMAO... This from the guy who argued that "the State of Massachusetts
is riddled with corruption," that Judge Zobel was NOT a crook, although he
KNEW the "Great White Whale" was innocent, had the power to find her
innocent, but STILL found her guilty (but he's not a crook). And then
bemoaned the passing of the Saddam regime. And now fully admits to
his own racism. Hypocrisy... Jesus, JPB... you define the word in your
every post.
And it looks as if you're really grasping for _friends_ now. I thought you
accused ME of "seeking credibility"? Remember how you wrote -- "He
felt he would then command the respect of other posters..." and that
"judgement in that respect would be widely accepted throughout the group."
and I expected to "create for himself an image.."???
Gee... it seems as if that's exactly what you're trying to do here,,, grasping
around for some credibility from others... and with Ol' Racist Nev, no less.
Finding your arguments need the support of other racists. Perhaps you too,
can cross-post to racist groups and tell them there is an "anti-racist
champion" here and you need help. Talk about hypocrisy. ho ho ho.
PV
A Planet Visitor
"Honest Nev" <honest_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a5ec705.03052...@posting.google.com...
> A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<j626dv00698fp3h4i...@4ax.com>...
>
> > >> Of course... that would your Uriah Heep but ignorant conclusion that you
> > >> see the DP as the SAME as slavery, in
> > >>
> > url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3eb24c11%241_1%40news.meganetnews.com
> > >> Your words -- "in my view, opposition to death penalty is just like
> > opposition to
> > >> torture and slavery."
> > >
> > >That doesn't meean that "849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent
> > >Black slaves".
> > >
> > Of course it does, you silly shit.
>
> He's quite right, FW: it doesn't.
>
opposed to slavery, are hardly in a position to quantify the two
concepts - one being society's expression of outrage at those who
murder - the other being a lifelong abuse of innocent humans
practiced by society.
> Most people who seek the abolition of the death-penalty also seek the
> abolition of slavery (a practice which still continues in the world
> today despite yr blinkered US-centric wank).
>
BOTH concepts. I never said they could not. But one cannot place them
in the SAME conceptional framework and claim EQUIVALENCY UNLESS
one values murderers as much as one values innocents placed into
slavery. One may say _ I oppose the DP AND I also oppose slavery_,
essentially SEPARATING the two concepts. One may NOT say "[my]
opposition to [the] DP is JUST LIKE [my] opposition to... slavery," without
certainly claiming they have the EXACT same MEANING to him.
It presumes that one feels NO GREATER opposition to the DP than
one does to slavery. Effectively equating those punished by the DP with
those innocents placed into slavery.
Nor did I ever say that slavery does not exist today. In fact, since
it does, he finds that murderers executed today as NO DIFFERENT
from those innocents in SLAVERY today.
> <snip>
>
> > Even YOUR limited understanding of English should provide you the
> > ability to recognize WHAT YOU SAY.
>
> LOL, that's a bit rich, FuckWit!
>
> 'Outted'!
>
ROTFLMAO... "nonce," "anti-Semitic," "American." Up above... "yr."
> > I would NEVER presume that the DP in the U.S. could EVER be
> > COMPARED in any respect to SLAVERY.
<clip part where Ol' Racist Nev says that murderers provide an iota more
_benefit_ to our species than innocent slaves>
PV
>
> Ol' Racist Nev
Just passing by
posters of lying about what others have written here, and what does he
do to "defend" himself? He again lies about what another poster has
written, apparently oblivious to the ease with which his latest lie
can be exposed. Here is that latest lie:
> This was the point I made... I attacked
> BOTH her words and her, unlike you who presumed you could attack
> me without attacking my words... until backed into a corner and forced
> to admit you are a racist ....
Where have I ever said any such thing? I haven't; PV simply made that
up.
And here it is again:
> And now fully admits to his own racism.
Where have I ever said any such thing? I haven't; PV was lying again.
What I have said, and am happy to say again and again, is that PV's
"tribute" to MLK in January of this year was a gimmick which he used
to attempt to raise his own credibility and to give greater weight to
his lies about Desmond Coughlan. And now PV has actually ADMITTED that
he had such an ulterior motive, totally vindicating my accusations.
At first, PV's lie was that calling his bogus tribute a gimmick made
me a racist in his eyes. But when that clearly failed to achieve the
effect he desired, he decided to step that up and invent this
outrageous lie that I have "admitted" being a racist.
Of course he cannot show a single post of mine in which I have ever
said any such thing. Just as he could never show a single post of mine
in which I had ever called Judge Zobel a crook after once telling
Dirtdog:
"How does one go about providing a counter-example to someone saying
'the judge was a crook'?"
Note that he even put what he claimed were my words in quotes, and yet
I never wrote those words nor anything like them. Then in that same
post to Dirtdog, he wrote:
"But what he is asking is that I provide proof that the judge is not a
crook."
But I never asked him to provide any such proof, and even after my
challenging him day after day to show where I had ever asked him to do
any such thing, he was never able to, and so simply ran away from that
challenge.
And he will run away from this challenge now to show where I have ever
"admitted" being a racist, because I haven't. I have never posted a
single racist comment in my entire posting history here or in any
other group, all of which is available to search through the Google
archives. If I had done, PV would have found one, because he has
certainly been looking, even to the point of attributing the words of
someone called Gilby Xu to me.
But this is a clear symptom of the intense pressure I have been
putting PV under in my exposures of his bogus anti-racism and pretence
of being an admirer of Martin Luther King for the purpose of cleaning
up his image which has long been that of an intolerant bigot, and to
raise his own credibility. He has admitted posting that MLK Day
"tribute" as part of a personal agenda and I can show where he made
that admission. But can he, similarly, show where I have "admitted" to
being a racist? No, because I never have done and he knows it. So he
will run away from this challenge just as he did from the "judge is a
crook" challenge.
In his latest post we have seen PV attempt to develop his old "You are
a racist" gimmick, which he has been using here for quite some time,
into a new "He admits being a racist" gimmick. The fact that he does
this in spite of the certainty that his lie will be exposed is
indicative of the strain the exposure of his bogus anti racism and his
"I love MLK" act has put him under.
John Rennie
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:21b1da28.03052...@posting.google.com...
> He's really getting desperate now. Here he is, accused by three
> posters of lying about what others have written here, and what does he
> do to "defend" himself? He again lies about what another poster has
> written, apparently oblivious to the ease with which his latest lie
> can be exposed. Here is that latest lie:
>
> > This was the point I made... I attacked
> > BOTH her words and her, unlike you who presumed you could attack
> > me without attacking my words... until backed into a corner and forced
> > to admit you are a racist ....
>
> Where have I ever said any such thing? I haven't; PV simply made that
> up.
>
> And here it is again:
>
> > And now fully admits to his own racism.
>
> Where have I ever said any such thing? I haven't; PV was lying again.
>
> What I have said, and am happy to say again and again, is that PV's
> "tribute" to MLK in January of this year was a gimmick
You can say it again and again and you will be wrong again and
again. Before you started this ridiculous campaign wherein you
try to persuade us that PV is a racist I had some regard for you -
that has almost completely evaporated.
Honest Nev
<snip>
> He's quite wrong, Ol' Racist Nev. Of course, you not actually being
> opposed to slavery,
Naturally I'm opposed to slavery, FuckWit, just as I'm opposed to
capital-punishment and corporal-punishment.
To avoid FuckWit's confusion:
"slavery noun [U]
the activity of having slaves or the condition of being a slave" [1]
"capital punishment noun [U] (ALSO the death penalty)
punishment by death, as ordered by a legal system" [2]
"corporal punishment noun [U]
the physical punishment of people, especially of children, by hitting
them" [3]
> are hardly in a position to quantify the two
> concepts - one being society's expression of outrage at those who
> murder - the other being a lifelong abuse of innocent humans
> practiced by society.
FW, you probably own products made in sweat-shops by ickle children.
Do you care? Do you fuck, you daft old phoney.
> > Most people who seek the abolition of the death-penalty also seek the
> > abolition of slavery (a practice which still continues in the world
> > today despite yr blinkered US-centric wank).
> >
> That has nothing to do with his statement.
That's _exactly_ what he said, FW.
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Even YOUR limited understanding of English should provide you the
> > > ability to recognize WHAT YOU SAY.
> >
> > LOL, that's a bit rich, FuckWit!
> >
> > 'Outted'!
> >
> ROTFLMAO... "nonce," "anti-Semitic," "American." Up above... "yr."
For the _last time_ (note correct use of underlining), FuckWit: a
nonce is a sex offender; the prefix 'anti-' may be added to virtually
any adjective; and Brazilians, Colombians et el are American.
Yrs,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
[1] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=74370&dict=CALD
[2] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=11281&dict=CALD
[3] http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=17247&dict=CALD
A Planet Visitor
"Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.03052...@posting.google.com...
> posters of lying about what others have written here, and what does he
> do to "defend" himself? He again lies about what another poster has
> written, apparently oblivious to the ease with which his latest lie
> can be exposed. Here is that latest lie:
>
when I look at the quality of those three -- Perhaps you'd "call on"
others to _vote_ for you. You know... those other great intellects
of AADP. So far you have Ol' Racist Nev, the Nameless One, euro...
and whomever else you might imagine, since it actually doesn't matter
to me. Which is the basic difference between you and I.
You see, JPB -- it's fundamental truth time in AADP... Screw everyone
who doesn't "respect" me here. Because, unlike you, I'm not looking
for respect here. I find it in the mirror. I'm looking for SELF-RESPECT...
a character you seem to be not in the least concerned with here.
Something you seem to have neglected in your determination to destroy
me, along with the MLK Day tribute. I found a great deal of
self-respect in the post I created on MLK Day.. and that's good
enough for me. If you believe that you found respect in this
group in destroying a tribute to a civil rights leader in the U.S., then
that says a lot about you in the sense of your self-respect.
Do you think I'm here for respect? You utter delusional fool. I'm an
imaginary name, posting to an imaginary entity, having no meaning
whatsoever except an outlet to express my opinion. Respect is
found in REAL LIFE. I leave "seeking" respect from others here,
to those such as you who are readily willing to give it to you, if they
see that you would give it back to them. That was, of course, the
basic principle upon which your connection to the Nameless One,
and his connection to you, was forged. I leave "seeking" respect
here, to all those dipshits who believe it can actually be found here,
perhaps then hoping that they do not need to find it in real life.
Those entering only to post here, in expectation of receiving approval
from others. Which I see is your expectation.
What I DO look for here is...
1) The innocent victim of murder.
2) The innocent victim of racism.
3) The innocent victim of on-demand abortion
If I can be even a small voice for them here.. regardless of how tiny I
realize such a voice is HERE, in this impotent and meaningless medium,
then I have my SELF-RESPECT, and certainly don't need it from the
likes of you and your buddies. Most certainly the likes of you, who
would presume to insult MLK's works and life, all in the pursuit of
believing that it would raise YOUR "respect" here with other fools
such as you who SEE no innocent victim in murder, on-demand abortion,
and racism.
Respect??? Shove your respect. Seeking respect from you and
anyone who would agree with you in ANY connection to your
destruction of the MLK Day tribute, is like buying a ticket to Hades,
sold by Satan himself. I look only to DISRESPECT those who
would forget about the innocents victims of murder, and the
innocent victims of racism, and the unborn innocents. I look
to disrespect for example, those who would argue that a
human, any human should treat another human, any human,
as the domestic cat treats the sparrow. I look to disrespect for
example, those who would argue that there is no difference in
their opposition to the execution of proven murderers, and their
opposition to the enslavement of a whole race of innocents.
I look to disrespect anyone who would argue that an anti-racism
sentiment could possibly be a "gimmick."
You look for "respect" here, from those other idiots. I look for
self-respect when I shut this computer off... I find it inside of me...
not through expecting it to come from others here, who will gladly
give it, IF they believe the "favor" will be returned. You want
"phoney"??? That's as "phoney" as it comes. As I said before,
I need nothing from anyone here. The "inner" satisfaction that
my "personal ends," which are my principles to MYSELF, are
intact is enough for me. The recognition that I have not needed to
toady up to others to presume that they can shore up any belief
that I have "respect" is quite enough for me here. But I know
you need more... you need to suck the life's blood out of this
group, thinking it will bring you "respect."
Your comments have NEVER spoken to a search for your OWN
self-respect... they only search out the possibility that others
might offer it to you, IF you offer it to them in return. And you
CERTAINLY do not speak to the voice of "respect" in the sense
of an innocent victim. You speak only to the voice that would
disrespect each and every innocent victim of murder and racism.
If THAT gives you "self-satisfaction" then I feel sorry for you in
your REAL LIFE, since you seem to ignore the innocent victim
in this imaginary one.
> > This was the point I made... I attacked
> > BOTH her words and her, unlike you who presumed you could attack
> > me without attacking my words... until backed into a corner and forced
> > to admit you are a racist ....
>
> Where have I ever said any such thing? I haven't; PV simply made that
> up.
>
Umm... that would be when you first used the word "gimmick" in
respect to what you have agreed was a non-confrontational tribute
to MLK, in which I presented no PERSONAL agenda of my own
in respect to the DP. Which shows you find non-confrontational
tributes to civil rights leaders that speak to "equality" to be nothing
more than "gimmicks." My seventeen lines that lack the slightest
bit of eloquence. What was your reaction to my tribute? Well -- you
said about me and that tribute that I had now "decided" to use
that tribute as a "gimmick," with your words "you had not yet
decided to use anti-racism as one of your gimmicks." And again
when you wrote "before you adopted anti-racism as a gimmick.."
If only I could convince YOU to adopt it as well, whether you
call anti-racism a "gimmick" or not! Anti-racism is actually a fine
quality to adopt, which you apparently disagree with. But you
should try it sometime. Of course then you characterized the
posting of anti-racism comments as nothing more than "seed-planting."
Again... thank God it is - let us all hope it grows into the
greatest of all trees of life. But you argued that it is only a
"gimmick" when one "plants" an anti-racism tribute. Then in
your further manifesto against anti-racist comments you
contended that one who posts such comments has a rather
diabolic "personal ends" to doing so. Again.. would that were
only YOUR "personal ends." But apparently that isn't to be.
Your "personal ends" are quite the contrary... they are to DESTROY
anti-racist comments.
You certain seem satisfied if you can DESTROY those who
"seed-plant" anti-racist comments, and insult them doing so
as their "personal ends," and destroy their words in the process.
You really need to look at YOUR "personal ends" in this, JPB...
the stomping on that seed of anti-racism... and understand that
what drives you is a very, very evil concept. The concept of a
racist. And finally you need to look at one more of your comments
that you directed toward me, but which should give you pause as
to the PURPOSE that you are engaged in here, in these various
posts in which you have destroyed that tribute -- Your words
to me -- that you felt that tribute I offered ""grossly insulted all
oppressed minorities by trying to gain from their suffering,"
And then you need to REREAD those words in my tribute, and
see WHO has insulted those oppressed minorities... and who
tried here to gain from their suffering by destroying that tribute.
BTW -- I know you have destroyed those words - but you cannot
destroy their meaning [1]
> And here it is again:
>
> > And now fully admits to his own racism.
>
> Where have I ever said any such thing? I haven't; PV was lying again.
>
See above.
> What I have said, and am happy to say again and again, is that PV's
> "tribute" to MLK in January of this year was a gimmick which he used
> to attempt to raise his own credibility and to give greater weight to
> his lies about Desmond Coughlan. And now PV has actually ADMITTED that
> he had such an ulterior motive, totally vindicating my accusations.
Nothing could more clearly prove you are a racist, JPB. I don't
need to repeat it... your words do that for me.
Your words above --
"PV's "tribute" to MLK in January of this year was a gimmick"
See how easy that was to prove you are a racist?
> At first, PV's lie was that calling his bogus tribute a gimmick made
> me a racist in his eyes. But when that clearly failed to achieve the
> effect he desired, he decided to step that up and invent this
> outrageous lie that I have "admitted" being a racist.
>
Hey... I didn't call a non-confrontational tribute to MLK a "gimmick."
You did.
> Of course he cannot show a single post of mine in which I have ever
> said any such thing. Just as he could never show a single post of mine
> in which I had ever called Judge Zobel a crook after once telling
> Dirtdog:
>
> "How does one go about providing a counter-example to someone saying
> 'the judge was a crook'?"
>
> Note that he even put what he claimed were my words in quotes, and yet
> I never wrote those words nor anything like them. Then in that same
> post to Dirtdog, he wrote:
>
> "But what he is asking is that I provide proof that the judge is not a
> crook."
>
> But I never asked him to provide any such proof, and even after my
> challenging him day after day to show where I had ever asked him to do
> any such thing, he was never able to, and so simply ran away from that
> challenge.
>
ROTFLMAO. Whether one finds Judge Zobel to be a "crook," or
not, lies in the eyes of the beholder. And wasn't it you who said
one could "quote" another if it was in the pejorative? Gee... I do
believe you DEFENDED the Nameless One for doing so when he
demonstrated he was a racist.
So let's look at WHY I used that pejorative in respect to your comments.
1) You said -- ""Zobel certainly knows she didn't do it."
2) You posted a presumed FACTUAL statement as to the POWERS
of Judge Zobel, to enter a finding of "not guilty" in that particular
case, which you argued DID NOT EXIST -- Your words -- "I stated it
as a fact that he had no power in this case to do that. It remains a fact..."
Now the FACTS are that Judge Zobel found the "Great White Whale"
GUILTY. Therefore, if YOU argue that he KNOWS she "didn't do it,"
and he STILL found her guilty, I feel very confident that if I claim to
be "speaking in the pejorative," that in my opinion such presumes
that this particular judge resembles a "crook," since that's what we
usually find in "crooked judges." Finding guilt, while they KNOW
there is no guilt.
Now, in respect to your second comment, I think we all agree that
it represented nothing more than a LIE... Even your buddy, the
Nameless One shot you done in respect to that comment. Since
Zobel most certainly DID have the POWER to find the "Great White
Whale" not-guilty, regardless of all your hypothetical arguments as
to the CONSEQUENCES of him doing so. Which remain totally
in the realm of the hypothetical. You were CLEARLY speaking of
"POWER," and he DID have such "POWER." Yet, I've NEVER
heard you admit to that misspeak.
> And he will run away from this challenge now to show where I have ever
> "admitted" being a racist, because I haven't. I have never posted a
> single racist comment in my entire posting history here or in any
> other group, all of which is available to search through the Google
> archives. If I had done, PV would have found one, because he has
> certainly been looking, even to the point of attributing the words of
> someone called Gilby Xu to me.
>
Actually, you've NEVER posted or commented upon ANY anti-racist
or racist statement in your entire posting history UNTIL... UNTIL...
you found it necessary to come to the defense of your racist
Messiah. At which point... off came the mask.. as you clearly
decided that if it took BECOMING a racist here, to defend your
Messiah, it was a task you gladly accepted.
> But this is a clear symptom of the intense pressure I have been
> putting PV under in my exposures of his bogus anti-racism and pretence
> of being an admirer of Martin Luther King for the purpose of cleaning
> up his image which has long been that of an intolerant bigot, and to
> raise his own credibility. He has admitted posting that MLK Day
> "tribute" as part of a personal agenda and I can show where he made
> that admission. But can he, similarly, show where I have "admitted" to
> being a racist? No, because I never have done and he knows it. So he
> will run away from this challenge just as he did from the "judge is a
> crook" challenge.
>
Oh.. I get it... I'm not a racist... I'm an intolerant bigot! Do you
actually think ANY reasonable person doesn't see what you're
trying to do here? You lack even the GUTS to call it what you've
certainly implied to call it. Which is another typical characteristic
of a racist... the lack of GUTS. And if I have not done so before,
I certainly do now ADMIT that I have a personal agenda in posting
anti-racist comments... it is the agenda of anti-racism... my
"personal ends." It IS my "personal ends" to express anti-racism,
both here and in real life. If my saying so gives you some satisfaction.
Just as it is my "personal agenda" to comment on my support for
the DP in the U.S., and my "personal agenda" to comment on my
disgust of on-demand abortion which presuming that the unborn
life has no _rights_. I would imagine that everyone posts here
with some sort of "personal ends" involved, even troll have a
"personal agenda." But you are the only one who has ever presumed
to paint a sordid face on a "personal agenda" of anti-racism.
I post here in respect to my "personal ends" in keeping with the role
I believe all should follow. NOT in doing so with a PURPOSE of raising
my "credibility" HERE, since that is something that is INSIDE of
each of us, and this pathetic group does not have the power to raise
or diminish it. I do it, as I said... because I would lose my
SELF-RESPECT, were I not to do it, when it seems appropriate to
do it. NOT in believing I RECEIVE "respect" here for so doing,
or with the PURPOSE of achiving "credibility" from those I do not
even know. Since it's obvious that seldom happens, with the
evidence clearly showing that you, and many others, have
demonstrated that my doing so gains me no respect or credibility
here, but often gains me an insult. As both you and the Nameless
One have certainly proven right here in the MLK Day dialog.
How can one POSSIBLY receive an insult for posting a
non-confrontational anti-racist sentiment? Only if the one providing
such an insult is himself a racist.
While quite clearly you HAVE TOLD me to take my anti-racism
sentiments elsewhere and leave AADP alone to wallow in racism
if it decided to do so. What kind of a person does that?
> In his latest post we have seen PV attempt to develop his old "You are
> a racist" gimmick, which he has been using here for quite some time,
> into a new "He admits being a racist" gimmick. The fact that he does
> this in spite of the certainty that his lie will be exposed is
> indicative of the strain the exposure of his bogus anti racism and his
> "I love MLK" act has put him under.
>
Oh my God!!! What a totally disgusting thought to express!!!
Now it's an "I love MLK" "gimmick." Will your insults toward that
man never end? Must you continually dig him up from the grave,
rip off his shroud and flog him yet again? Do you intend to
post that as some form of graffiti here in AADP -- "PV loves
MLK," at the top of every post you provide. I've never seen someone
fall so far, so fast, as you have fallen since you picked up the
cross of racism from the Nameless One. You were only obsessed
in the "Great White Whale" dialog, but you've become unhinged
in your support for racism in the past few week, and it is rapidly
accelerating with every post you provide.
But, I'm sure you feel the life and works of MLK are all one big
gimmick... as long as you can think you are defending your racist
Messiah the Nameless One.
PV
[1]
"What would MLK say today? The 'dream'?? Realized 34 years after his
assassination? Does anyone think it has become reality? This is a day of
'RECOGNITION.' Not in platitudes to ourselves of 'how far we have
come.' But in the awareness of 'how far we have to go.'
This is a day to personally reflect on your individual contributions to
EQUALITY, or the lack thereof. Because only TRUE EQUALITY can
fulfill that dream. This is a day for inward contemplation. To paraphrase
Lincoln... and I hope not tritely.. "That from (this) honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which (he) gave
the last full measure of devotion.."
This is a day to honor the dead... to Honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
The man, his principles, his dreams... and yes -- his memory as well.
But let's not forget he is MORE than a 'memory.' He embodies the
very principles which should guide our lives. Where will we be 34
years from today? Will the glass of prejudice and hate still be half-full,
or will we have finally emptied it? I certainly don't know, but I do know that
the answer lies in the future behavior of each and every one of us."
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<bl9c3vg3s5b4qqr6o...@4ax.com>...
>
><snip>
>
>> He's quite wrong, Ol' Racist Nev. Of course, you not actually being
>> opposed to slavery,
>
>Naturally I'm opposed to slavery, FuckWit, just as I'm opposed to
>capital-punishment and corporal-punishment.
>
No... dipshit. The fact that you oppose both isn't the question. There
are a number of things you might "oppose," but certainly not to the
exact same degree. You might "oppose" the trash collection day being
changed from Tuesday to Wednesday, but you would certainly not
"oppose" that AS MUCH as the elimination of trash collection altogether,
requiring you to take your trash personally to a landfill. The fact
is that you see no DIFFERENCE between the DP and slavery. Both
murderers and slaves are the SAME to you. BECAUSE you agreed
with euro that murderers are just as good as any slave... any day of the
week. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305270613.647524e5%40posting.google.com
Don't try to lie your way out of it. My problem with both euro and you,
is you claim your opposition to the DP and slavery are JUST LIKE
each other, and even given your limited intelligence, by the example
above you must see how you have claimed murderers are the
SAME as slaves. Changing trash days is the SAME to you as
eliminating trash collection altogether.
>To avoid FuckWit's confusion:
>
>"slavery noun [U]
>the activity of having slaves or the condition of being a slave" [1]
>
>"capital punishment noun [U] (ALSO the death penalty)
>punishment by death, as ordered by a legal system" [2]
>
>"corporal punishment noun [U]
>the physical punishment of people, especially of children, by hitting
>them" [3]
>
Ah... but you've agreed with euro that they are "just like" each
other in respect to holding no greater opposition to one than the
other. Your opposition to the slavery of millions of innocent
humans is then NO GREATER than your opposition to the
execution of murderers. How disgusting you actually are!!
You REALLY need a crash course in Ethics 101.
>> are hardly in a position to quantify the two
>> concepts - one being society's expression of outrage at those who
>> murder - the other being a lifelong abuse of innocent humans
>> practiced by society.
>
>FW, you probably own products made in sweat-shops by ickle children.
>Do you care? Do you fuck, you daft old phoney.
>
ROTFLMAO... How pathetic... those who make those products
are the ones that YOU claim are the SAME as murderers. You
find your opposition to the execution of murderers JUST LIKE
your opposition to their slavery! How disgusting you actually are!!
You REALLY need a crash course in Ethics 101.
>> > Most people who seek the abolition of the death-penalty also seek the
>> > abolition of slavery (a practice which still continues in the world
>> > today despite yr blinkered US-centric wank).
>> >
>> That has nothing to do with his statement.
>
>That's _exactly_ what he said, FW.
>
No, it's not, Ol' Racist Nev. One can well seek the abolition of
BOTH. One can well "seek" the abolition of a newly imposed
penny tax increase and one can well "seek" the abolition of all
hunger in the world. But one cannot claim their opposition to
both is THE SAME, without meaning exactly that... murderers
and slaves are the SAME to the one saying that. And that is what
euro claimed -- his opposition to the DP (the execution of proven
murderers) is JUST LIKE (no greater and no worse) than his
opposition to slavery (the enslavement of millions of innocent
humans). He sees BOTH murderers and slaves as EXACTLY
the SAME. And again, as with spike and his "suggestion" that
the "unemployed or ill" be strung up... you agreed with him!!!
He sees the penny tax increase as "just like" world hunger.
If I were to be an abolitionist, there is no conceivable way that
I could EVER say my new-found opposition to the DP is JUST
LIKE my opposition to slavery. Because I would then be
characterizing murderers as the SAME as innocent slaves.
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > > Even YOUR limited understanding of English should provide you the
>> > > ability to recognize WHAT YOU SAY.
>> >
>> > LOL, that's a bit rich, FuckWit!
>> >
>> > 'Outted'!
>> >
>> ROTFLMAO... "nonce," "anti-Semitic," "American." Up above... "yr."
>
>For the _last time_ (note correct use of underlining), FuckWit: a
>nonce is a sex offender; the prefix 'anti-' may be added to virtually
>any adjective; and Brazilians, Colombians et el are American.
>
Actually, Ol' Racist Nev... a 'nonce' is ALSO "a sexual deviate,"
which you DENIED, so do not try to again lie your way out of this,
by claiming that a 'nonce' is a sex offender means that a 'nonce'
isn't ALSO "a sexual deviate."
Further, anti-Semite has a very specific meaning. You cannot add anti-
to Semite and presume that it now does not refer to the Jews. Trying
to do so, is simply further evidence of your own anti-Semitism.
A certain denial that there IS such a specific thing as "one who is
hostile or opposed to the Jews." You are trying to HIDE from your
own anti-Semitism, in denial of the meaning of that term -- See
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20anti-Semitism.htm
and as I pointed out --
url:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anti-Semite
url:http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
url:http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=3203&dict=CALD
url:http://www.wordsmyth.net/live/home.php?script=search&matchent=anti-Semite&matchtype=exact
url:http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/sitesearch?FILTER=col61&query=anti-Semite
url:http://www.askoxford.com/dictionary/anti-Semitic
url:http://poets.notredame.ac.jp/cgi-bin/wn
ALL of those definitions do not contain the word "Arab," and
ALL contain the word "Jew."
Turning to "American." Actually you would probably get slugged were
you to call some Brazilians, or Colombians an "American." Whether in
your ignorance you know this or not. And in any case, your argument
matters not a bit, since you argue that an American does NOT mean
someone from the U.S., and now you argue that an American
can be from Brazil. Can you possibly see what a bigot you are?
You are DENYING that an American can be a U.S. Citizen,
but then arguing a Brazilian CAN be an American. Finally see --
url:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=American
PV
>
> Ol' Racist Nev
Just passing by
> "Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.03052...@posting.google.com...
>
> > > This was the point I made... I attacked
> > > BOTH her words and her, unlike you who presumed you could attack
> > > me without attacking my words... until backed into a corner and forced
> > > to admit you are a racist ....
> >
> > Where have I ever said any such thing? I haven't; PV simply made that
> > up.
> >
> Umm... that would be when you first used the word "gimmick" in
> respect to what you have agreed was a non-confrontational tribute
> to MLK, in which I presented no PERSONAL agenda of my own
> in respect to the DP.
That simply will not wash, you disgusting, lying scumbag. I said that
you posted your phoney MLK tribute as a gimmick to benefit yourself
rather than honour MLK, and you then used that to claim not only that
I am a racist, but that I had ADMITTED being a racist. And when you
did that, you did not include your phoney rationale so that that
others could judge whether it amounted to any such admission but
instead deliberately tried to make it look as if I had directly and
unambiguously told you that I am a racist.
You did the very same thing to Euro when you accused him of saying
that "849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent Black slaves"
which he certainly did not say, and now you have done it to Neville by
claiming that he said the Nazi death camps were "okay" which he
certainly did not say.
You do this every day against almost everyone you post to and you do
it because you are totally incapable of matching anyone here in real
debate. As I have said many times before, you are easily the biggest
liar in this group and you are also the saddest and most pathetic
joke. Your lies, such as the three mentioned here, are what you are
best known for. But we all know what you would really like to be best
known for, don't we? You yearn to be seen as this group's resident
anti-racist champion, but it will never happen because your bogus
anti-racism has been blown apart and shown to be just yet another of
your lies, you total phoney.
Has anyone here ever been tempted to believe those long lists of
"quotes" PV claims to have come from Desmond? Has anyone ever been
taken in by PV's accounts of what "the nameless one" has said in the
past? Well, it's all lies. You see how he has lied about Euro, Neville
and myself in these recent posts? That is the very same trick he uses
again and again to lie about Desmond. The only difference is that he
lies about Desmond far more than he does against all three of us put
together.
Every single one of those "quotes" from Desmond PV regularly offers in
his pathetic smear campaigns is either twisted and presented totally
out of context or simply made up entirely. PV posts them one after
another in these huge lists, even sometimes including the original
Google URLs, in the hope that nobody will ever bother to actually
follow them up to see for themselves what Desmond really did say. But
I have followed up many of them and I can assure you that not one of
them is as PV tries to present it. He knows he could never hope to
beat Desmond in debate so instead he uses this pathetic little trick
of lying about what Desmond has previously written. I have exposed
this trick of his many times before, such as in this post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.02101...@posting.google.com
But he will keep trying it, and he will keep being exposed for it,
ensuring that nobody will ever be fooled for long by his pathetic
lies. As Desmond so beautifully put it in his classic destruction of
PV's attempt to hijack MLK's name by posting that phoney and totally
insincere "tribute":
"Normally, the whole of news:alt.activism.death-penalty considers you
a perverse joke. In the main, your 'purpose' on this newsgroup is to
make us all feel good at being normal, and especially, at not being
_you. You make us laugh, but unfortunately for you, we don't laugh
_with_ you, but _at_ you. You're recognised as the most inefficient,
most inept, least educated, most unsophisticated, most violent, least
honest, most sexually depraved poster that is currently posting to
this newsgroup."
Honest Nev
Part 1
> >> He's quite wrong, Ol' Racist Nev. Of course, you not actually being
> >> opposed to slavery,
> >
> >Naturally I'm opposed to slavery, FuckWit, just as I'm opposed to
> >capital-punishment and corporal-punishment.
> >
> No... dipshit. The fact that you oppose both isn't the question.
And there's me thinking it was.
I refuse to comment on the next paragraph wherein the despicable
FuckWit ridicules the abolition of the death-penalty as "the trash
[sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday", and
mocks our natural and proper desire to see an end to slavery as "the
elimination of trash collection altogether."
> are a number of things you might "oppose," but certainly not to the
> exact same degree. You might "oppose" the trash collection day being
> changed from Tuesday to Wednesday, but you would certainly not
> "oppose" that AS MUCH as the elimination of trash collection altogether,
> requiring you to take your trash personally to a landfill. The fact
> is that you see no DIFFERENCE between the DP and slavery. Both
> murderers and slaves are the SAME to you. BECAUSE you agreed
> with euro that murderers are just as good as any slave... any day of the
> week. See --
> url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0305270613.647524e5%40posting.google.com
> Don't try to lie your way out of it. My problem with both euro and you,
> is you claim your opposition to the DP and slavery are JUST LIKE
> each other, and even given your limited intelligence, by the example
> above you must see how you have claimed murderers are the
> SAME as slaves. Changing trash days is the SAME to you as
> eliminating trash collection altogether.
>
> >To avoid FuckWit's confusion:
> >
> >"slavery noun [U]
> >the activity of having slaves or the condition of being a slave" [1]
> >
> >"capital punishment noun [U] (ALSO the death penalty)
> >punishment by death, as ordered by a legal system" [2]
> >
> >"corporal punishment noun [U]
> >the physical punishment of people, especially of children, by hitting
> >them" [3]
<snip usual wank>
Part 2
BTW where is my apology regards yr malicious and completely groundless
allegation that I cited a non-OED definition of 'America'?
> Turning to "American." Actually you would probably get slugged were
> you to call some Brazilians, or Colombians an "American."
Says a lot about the South American loathing of the United States of
America and their misguided appropriation of the term 'Americans
[sic]' when everybody knows they are really 'Merkins'.
That said a certain level of indignation is felt by some Britishers
when called 'European'.
Imagine if in the 1700s France had adopted the name 'The United States
of Europe' and termed it's inhabitants 'Europeans [sic]'... then
imagine how an Englishman (or a Dutchie for that matter) would feel
when called a 'European [sic]'...
Fuckin HEll!
> Whether in
> your ignorance you know this or not. And in any case, your argument
> matters not a bit, since you argue that an American does NOT mean
> someone from the U.S., and now you argue that an American
> can be from Brazil. Can you possibly see what a bigot you are?
> You are DENYING that an American can be a U.S. Citizen,
> but then arguing a Brazilian CAN be an American. Finally see --
You yoursen admitted (eventually) that a Brazilian is an American.
A Merkin is both an American and an 'American [sic]' (in English the
latter is rendered 'Merkin').
> url:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=American
>
> PV
Now... do one!
Yrs,
Forever and ever,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
A Planet Visitor
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<G3jBa.2401$Gg7.2...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>> "Just passing by" <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:21b1da28.03052...@posting.google.com...
>
>>
>> > > This was the point I made... I attacked
>> > > BOTH her words and her, unlike you who presumed you could attack
>> > > me without attacking my words... until backed into a corner and forced
>> > > to admit you are a racist ....
>> >
>> > Where have I ever said any such thing? I haven't; PV simply made that
>> > up.
>> >
>> Umm... that would be when you first used the word "gimmick" in
>> respect to what you have agreed was a non-confrontational tribute
>> to MLK, in which I presented no PERSONAL agenda of my own
>> in respect to the DP.
>
>That simply will not wash, you disgusting, lying scumbag.
Umm... looks a bit as if you're foaming and frothing at the mouth again, JPB.
The speckles of spit are probably clouding your monitor about now.
>I said that
>you posted your phoney MLK tribute as a gimmick to benefit yourself
>rather than honour MLK, and you then used that to claim not only that
>I am a racist, but that I had ADMITTED being a racist. And when you
>did that, you did not include your phoney rationale so that that
>others could judge whether it amounted to any such admission but
>instead deliberately tried to make it look as if I had directly and
>unambiguously told you that I am a racist.
>
Actually, you admit you are a racist when you call words which
constitute a tribute to MLK, which only contain true statements,
and have no agenda other than an expression of racial equality,
which is a truism, a "gimmick," and "phoney." You no longer claim
my use was "phoney," but that the words themselves are "phoney,"
yet you certainly have never found anything "phoney" WITHIN
those words which you have argued is a "gimmick." So... you're
a racist... that's pretty plain and simple.
>You did the very same thing to Euro when you accused him of saying
>that "849 murderers are the same as millions of innocent Black slaves"
>which he certainly did not say, and now you have done it to Neville by
>claiming that he said the Nazi death camps were "okay" which he
>certainly did not say.
>
Both of those characterizations are certainly true... and the fact that
you would presume again to defend them, simply paints YOU with
the same brush that I have applied to them. euro's statement was
exactly -- "in my view, opposition to death penalty is just like opposition
to torture and slavery." So let's put that same feeling in respect to
two other aspects -- a 'penny increase in tax per $1,000' and 'murder.'
He would then be saying ==> in my view, opposition to a penny tax
increase per $1,000 is just like opposition to... murder. <== You see,
the DP and slavery are two DIFFERENT concepts as are that penny
tax increase and murder, but he has claimed he feels JUST THE SAME
in respect to those two. And you cannot argue that this is hyperbole
on my part, because comparison of the DP to slavery is the height of
hyperbole... comparing convicted murderers given the due process
they are given, to innocent slaves, sent to such slavery for their entire life
without a shred of any reason for doing so. In his argument which
opposes the DP, he has placed those slaves as NO DIFFERENT from
murderers... just as in my example he would place murder as NO
DIFFERENT from a penny tax increase per $1,000. Jesus... even
given your limited intelligence, I would think you'd be able to understand
relatively simple logical principles of human communication. When he
says "just like," he is not saying "almost like" or "nearly like." He is
saying "exactly like."
And of course Ol' Racist Nev has certainly tried very hard to make it
appear that Dachau was _not that bad_, since he claims it was the same
as Guantanamo, and argued quite strongly that it was _not that bad_
because it was not a death camp. I know you have already dug
yourself a very deep _immoral_ hole in respect to proving you are
a racist... but I really don't think it's in your best interests to continue
to dig even deeper by now defending an anti-Semite (who argues that
the word itself isn't really "about" the Jews). But I know that you're
searching around desperately to _kiss some ass_ in the hope that
they return to favor.
>You do this every day against almost everyone you post to and you do
>it because you are totally incapable of matching anyone here in real
>debate.
LOL... You've been made to look like a total fool, and a racist to
boot for calling a tribute to MLK a "gimmick." Clearly you have
now called IT, the tribute itself, and not my posting it... "phoney."
With the words "your phoney MLK tribute." It is no longer _my
phoney use_ of a tribute to MLK, but _my use of_ a "phoney tribute."
You no longer call ME "phoney," but the WORDS in that tribute
"phoney." One wonders WHAT inside those WORDS is "phoney"?
How can the truth be "phoney"? What is true is that you are a
"phoney" in respect to any longer presuming you have an intention
of _exposing_ ME... you are now claiming you will _expose_
the words of the tribute as "phoney." I'd like to see you try
to do that?
>As I have said many times before, you are easily the biggest
>liar in this group and you are also the saddest and most pathetic
>joke.
Umm... looks a bit as if you're foaming and frothing at the mouth again,
JPB. The speckles of spit are still clouding your monitor. Speaking
of lies from you --
Might I remind you of your lie in respect to your claim that "there were
no such rants from PV about racism - neither that which he is accusing
Desmond of nor general racism in society." While we have my calling
the Nameless One a "fundamental racist," all the way back in August 2000.
And in respect to general racism in U.S. Society, might I offer this small
token from EXACTLY 2 years ago today -- May 30, 2001 --
"Our disenfranchised: One word again - Disgrace. We
are a nation without honor, until we fulfill our commitment
to equal rights to the LAST FULL MEASURE. We've
taken relatively baby steps in achieving equal rights in
my lifetime, IMHO. I can only hope that the next
generation does a better job than my generation has
done. My father's generation did not even pay lip
service to equal rights, lacking even an understanding
of what it MEANT. My generation has ONLY paid lip
service to equal rights. The next generation needs to
IMPLEMENT TRUE HUMAN RIGHTS."
If you are any example of the next generation I speak of there... two
years ago TODAY -- I FUCKING WEEP for my species -- If you
characterize the words in that tribute to MLK as "phoney," I
FUCKING WEEP for my species. It is impossible to characterize
the TRUTH as a "phoney." And you will find not one word in my
tribute that does not ring with absolute truth. With no agenda BUT the
truth. But it is certainly possible to USE MLK's name for one's
own agenda, when using that name expresses not the slightest
recognition of what MLK truly stood for.. equal right for Blacks,
and an end to racism. Not that his name is used to PROTECT
murderers... Black or White. As Jane used his name. Since there is
no question that abolishing the DP does exactly that, and has no
meaning in respect to equal rights for INNOCENT BLACKS.
Care to see another example of the disgusting USE of MLK in pursuit
of an agenda? An example which shows not the slightest respect for
MLK's works or life.. but INSULTS them by even including a racist
slur along with the use of his name, simply to ATTACK another poster,
and having nothing to actually do with MLK... his life or his works?
Well... that would be my discovery of the ONE time that the Nameless
One actually "USED" MLK as an insult to another, and not in speaking
to his life and works. Here is an example of what I speak of with the
Nameless One.. the revolting, disgusting, absolutely racist ABUSE
of the name of MLK to insult another poster, using the name of MLK
to do so. Even including a racist slur right next to the name of MLK.
Using that name to advance the agenda of the Nameless One,
without any concern for MLK's life and work. The Nameless One's
words to another poster --
"You know, Mr Burgess is the type of person whom one would have
been expected to see, sitting at home with his beer, listening to Martin
Luther King, and screaming at the top of his voice, "There ain't no
racism in the US of A!! Why can't those niggas see that???!!!"
See --
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=pIMuAPAXaRKzEwxA%40maudit.demon.co.uk
Do you think THAT shows respect for MLK? Do you see how he
USES his own racism as a presumed weapon?
Now compare that with my tribute to MLK... which was --
"What would MLK say today? The 'dream'?? Realized 34 years after his
assassination? Does anyone think it has become reality? This is a day of
'RECOGNITION.' Not in platitudes to ourselves of 'how far we have
come.' But in the awareness of 'how far we have to go.'
This is a day to personally reflect on your individual contributions to
EQUALITY, or the lack thereof. Because only TRUE EQUALITY can
fulfill that dream. This is a day for inward contemplation. To paraphrase
Lincoln... and I hope not tritely.. "That from (this) honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which (he) gave
the last full measure of devotion.."
This is a day to honor the dead... to Honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
The man, his principles, his dreams... and yes -- his memory as well.
But let's not forget he is MORE than a 'memory.' He embodies the
very principles which should guide our lives. Where will we be 34
years from today? Will the glass of prejudice and hate still be half-full,
or will we have finally emptied it? I certainly don't know, but I do know that
the answer lies in the future behavior of each and every one of us."
And try to tell me WHO used MLK as a "gimmick"?
Then again -- Might I remind you of your lie in respect to the POWER of
Judge Zobel? Saying ""I stated it as a fact that he had no power in this
case to do that. It remains a fact..." Still wish to argue it "remains a fact"?
Then again -- might I remind you of your lie in claiming there was an
"admission" from me that my "PURPOSE" in posting that tribute to MLK
was in "raising my credibility"? While at the same moment you argue that
I have none here, nor do I care that I do have none here, or expect that
ANY of my posts will do so, or have a PURPOSE of doing so with my
posts. I leave the posturing of presuming what we say here can possibly
raise our credibility to those such as you, who pander to your "buddies."
Certainly you hoped to raise YOUR credibility with the Nameless One
by defending his racism. Which you continue to do.
>Your lies, such as the three mentioned here, are what you are
>best known for.
Actually, I have just offered three of YOUR lies --
1) Claiming I have never concerned myself with the Nameless One's
racism until recently, yet there it is almost three years ago.
2) Claiming Judge Zobel did not have the power to overturn the
verdict of guilty for the "Great White Whale."
3) Lying that there was an "admission" on my part that I posted
the MLK Day tribute with the "purpose" of "raising my credibility."
See how easy that was to find three lies from you? And there are
just so many more.
> But we all know what you would really like to be best
>known for, don't we? You yearn to be seen as this group's resident
>anti-racist champion, but it will never happen because your bogus
>anti-racism has been blown apart and shown to be just yet another of
>your lies, you total phoney.
>
I'm not interested at all if the group sees me as ANYTHING. In
fact I am no more than a name here... without the ability to gain
or lose credibility. I am only responsible to my OWN SELF-RESPECT.
You should try it some time... instead of looking for it here... because
it is NOT here... in this imaginary medium. But no matter how
often I tell you this... I still see you searching for it from others here.
Others who will gladly presume to offer it, if only you presume
to give the same to them... such as the Nameless One. And of
course, euro, and Ol' Racist Nev.
>Has anyone here ever been tempted to believe those long lists of
>"quotes" PV claims to have come from Desmond?
Actually those "quotes" are always quite ACCURATE, using his
own words. And funny enough those EXACT quotes I provide
of his words often contain what he expects us to believe in his
lies are the quotes of others.
>Has anyone ever been
>taken in by PV's accounts of what "the nameless one" has said in the
>past? Well, it's all lies. You see how he has lied about Euro, Neville
>and myself in these recent posts? That is the very same trick he uses
>again and again to lie about Desmond. The only difference is that he
>lies about Desmond far more than he does against all three of us put
>together.
>
LOL... Here they are --- to keep from repeating them over and over,
you will find the EXACT quotes, and the URL's that prove they are
exact in my post --
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=v4bvcvocm5hrgal326thni61jgm126idhf%404ax.com
-- show me ONE quote that isn't his EXACT words --
>Every single one of those "quotes" from Desmond PV regularly offers in
>his pathetic smear campaigns is either twisted and presented totally
>out of context or simply made up entirely. PV posts them one after
>another in these huge lists, even sometimes including the original
>Google URLs, in the hope that nobody will ever bother to actually
>follow them up to see for themselves what Desmond really did say. But
>I have followed up many of them and I can assure you that not one of
>them is as PV tries to present it.
Heh... This from the guy who finds that the Nameless One is his
Messiah --- "I can assure you..." You go right ahead and "assure"
everyone, sport. You really are a needy sucker in respect to
'credibility,' here, aren't you?
> He knows he could never hope to
>beat Desmond in debate so instead he uses this pathetic little trick
>of lying about what Desmond has previously written. I have exposed
>this trick of his many times before, such as in this post:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.02101...@posting.google.com
>
Quite droll... a reference to a post that certainly demonstrates EXACTLY
what I mean. The Nameless One tries to put a racist slur IN MY
MOUTH... yet I have NEVER used that slur. Thus, his method
is "the big lie." Above you contend that I don't quote accurately.
Do you actually presume to defend the Nameless One for NOT
quoting accurately? Isn't that a double-standard?
>But he will keep trying it, and he will keep being exposed for it,
>ensuring that nobody will ever be fooled for long by his pathetic
>lies. As Desmond so beautifully put it in his classic destruction of
>PV's attempt to hijack MLK's name by posting that phoney and totally
>insincere "tribute":
>
Actually the tribute was neither "phoney" nor "insincere," but you
being a racist, I can understand why you would hope to convince
everyone it was. I'm sure you find any mention of anti-racism
to be both "phoney" and "insincere." Racists believe EVERYONE
is also a racist, and all anti-racism is phoney and insincere.
>"Normally, the whole of news:alt.activism.death-penalty considers you
>a perverse joke. In the main, your 'purpose' on this newsgroup is to
>make us all feel good at being normal, and especially, at not being
>_you. You make us laugh, but unfortunately for you, we don't laugh
>_with_ you, but _at_ you. You're recognised as the most inefficient,
>most inept, least educated, most unsophisticated, most violent, least
>honest, most sexually depraved poster that is currently posting to
>this newsgroup."
It's almost as if you are the Nameless One's enemy, in the way you
quote those particular words that prove what a liar he is -- Notice
that your "quote" of his words, above, comes immediately in response to
my tribute. And you will notice that he clearly intends to "demonize"
me. Now given that you've admitted that my tribute was
non-confrontational, and certainly did not "demonize" the Nameless
One... my question is "Who was the first to "demonize in the MLK
Day thread?" And the answer is most assuredly the Nameless One.
In fact, right in the quote of his words you provide. With friends like
you, he needs no enemies. Because in his classic "beg the group to
vote for racism" post... he said this --
"This is your chance to redeem yourselves. This is your chance to
show the newsgroup that you have backbone. So far, only dirt
and 'JPB' have bothered to stand up and ridicule FW when he
called me a racist, based on words that were designed to call _him_
a racist. Whatever your 'vote', be it for me or against me, I accept
it. But either stand up now and be counted, or at least have the
decency to leave the newsgroup, for you are nothing but pawns
of a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises all those with
whom he cannot debate."
Notice that he claims that "I" am the one who "demonises all those with
whom he cannot debate." But it would appear that HE is the one trying
to "demonise" (sic) me. Which is another question you have never
answered. Also notice the foaming and frothing at the mouth from
him. Did you learn that from him?
Pretty poor, JPB... Pretty poor post of yours. But you'd better hurry up
and improve and your lies, and your foaming and frothing at the mouth
defense of the Nameless One, because I plan on leaving sometime next
week, for awhile. Third warning given here.
I could post more, but I wish to get this in under the deadline promised
of May 30, exactly two years since I posted a post which proves that
today... you are a liar.
PV
A Planet Visitor
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>
>Part 1
>
>> >> He's quite wrong, Ol' Racist Nev. Of course, you not actually being
>> >> opposed to slavery,
>> >
>> >Naturally I'm opposed to slavery, FuckWit, just as I'm opposed to
>> >capital-punishment and corporal-punishment.
>> >
>> No... dipshit. The fact that you oppose both isn't the question.
>
>And there's me thinking it was.
>
If it was _there you thinking_ it would be a first for you in AADP.
>I refuse to comment on the next paragraph wherein the despicable
>FuckWit ridicules the abolition of the death-penalty as "the trash
>[sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday", and
>mocks our natural and proper desire to see an end to slavery as "the
>elimination of trash collection altogether."
>
Actually, you refuse to comment because you realize how ignorant
it is to claim that your opposition to the DP is JUST LIKE your
opposition to slavery. The two cannot be compared as JUST LIKE
each other, unless you believe that murderers are the same as
innocent slaves... oops.. I forgot... that IS what you believe. I
was not comparing anything in respect to trash except a change of
trash day to eliminating trash pick up. That's all. And if you see
THEM as JUST LIKE each other... then you see the DP as JUST
LIKE slavery. And thus see MURDERERS as JUST LIKE
slaves. You can cry and wail and lie by presuming I compare
trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
transparent deception, and your devious attempts to hide from
the fact that you DO see murderers as the same as slaves, if
you state that your opposition to the DP is JUST LIKE your
opposition to slavery. Certainly if you find innocent slaves more
worthy of saving than murderers than you must say you oppose
the DP AND you oppose slavery, but not in the same dimension.
ROTFLMAO... BTW???? How the f**k do you get BTW about a
definition of "America" from your disgusting belief that murderers are the
same as slaves?
And next who cares what you cite? Because you haven't done
anything but talk out of your ass since your first post.
>> Turning to "American." Actually you would probably get slugged were
>> you to call some Brazilians, or Colombians an "American."
>
>Says a lot about the South American loathing of the United States of
>America and their misguided appropriation of the term 'Americans
>[sic]' when everybody knows they are really 'Merkins'.
>
But it proves my point. You'll not suck me into an argument
(as you hope to do with racists)where I would cast stones at the
U.K. in return. We'll simply leave it at you being a proven
anti-American... that's good enough for me, since I'm certain
almost every Brit would find your characterizations to be disgusting.
>That said a certain level of indignation is felt by some Britishers
>when called 'European'.
>
I usually try to avoid that, by referring to Continental Europe.
<crazy ravings clipped>
>
>> Whether in
>> your ignorance you know this or not. And in any case, your argument
>> matters not a bit, since you argue that an American does NOT mean
>> someone from the U.S., and now you argue that an American
>> can be from Brazil. Can you possibly see what a bigot you are?
>> You are DENYING that an American can be a U.S. Citizen,
>> but then arguing a Brazilian CAN be an American. Finally see --
>
>You yoursen admitted (eventually) that a Brazilian is an American.
>
I never said they couldn't be... I said that a citizen of the U.S. is
referred to as an American. If someone wishes to call a Brazilian
an American, they do so at their own peril. I have no problem
when someone calls me an American, since I know it is proper
to refer to me as an American.
>A Merkin is both an American and an 'American [sic]' (in English the
>latter is rendered 'Merkin').
>
I do believe you've left the edge of reason, Ol' Racist Nev. This
getting bitch-slapped so hard seems to have affected your sense
of reality.
>> url:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=American
>>
>> PV
>
>Now... do one!
>
I do it.. every time I whip on you... poor boy.
But you're lucky, since I plan on leaving for awhile on Tuesday. You'll
be free to spread your poison, and try to lure other racists in here, to
your little heart's desire for a bit. As I seem to be the only
Guardian at the gate, because Cerberus, in spite of his vaunted name
seems to now accept your racism rather matter-of-factly.
PV
>
>Ol' Racist Nev
Honest Nev
<snip>
> >I refuse to comment on the next paragraph wherein the despicable
> >FuckWit ridicules the abolition of the death-penalty as "the trash
> >[sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday", and
> >mocks our natural and proper desire to see an end to slavery as "the
> >elimination of trash collection altogether."
> >
> Actually, you refuse
You _refuse_! Good pun that! I wish I'd ha' used it!
{LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!)
<snip>
> I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> transparent deception, and your devious attempts
Not 'devious' scum, 'cunning', like a fox.
<snip>
> >That said a certain level of indignation is felt by some Britishers
> >when called 'European'.
>
> I usually try to avoid that, by referring to Continental Europe.
But Britishers _are_ Europeans, you twat.
> >You yoursen admitted (eventually) that a Brazilian is an American.
> >
> I never said they couldn't be...
"No one, other than some jerk who has some anti-U.S. feelings at the
core, would claim that a Brazilian is an "American."" [1]
<snip>
> >Now... do one!
> >
> I do it.. every time I whip on you...
LMFAO!! You're not in Mississippi now, boy, and I ain't yr
'house-nigger'.
> poor boy. But you're lucky, since I plan on leaving for awhile on Tuesday.
Good... Fuck off.
Yrs,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<pdtldv0io6bt2gl87...@4ax.com>...
>
><snip>
>
>> >I refuse to comment on the next paragraph wherein the despicable
>> >FuckWit ridicules the abolition of the death-penalty as "the trash
>> >[sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday", and
>> >mocks our natural and proper desire to see an end to slavery as "the
>> >elimination of trash collection altogether."
>> >
>> Actually, you refuse
>
>You _refuse_! Good pun that! I wish I'd ha' used it!
>{LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!)
>
ROTFLMAO... you really are stupid, Ol' Racist Nev... Since you DID use it..
and I simply repeated it. Could you possibly look at YOUR OWN words,
above? Plus.. you seem to have developed a stutter. Is the emotional drain
taking its toll on you?
><snip>
>
>> I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
>> transparent deception, and your devious attempts
>
>Not 'devious' scum, 'cunning', like a fox.
>
More like a jackal, sport. Since you deceptively clipped out my words
which were accusing YOU of "PRESUMING" I compare trash pick up with
murderer, but anyone can see through that transparent deception, and your
devious attempts. You certainly don't increase your "credibility" (ho ho ho)
here, when you are caught in a lie. Repeating my comment in full --
"Actually, you refuse to comment because you realize how ignorant
it is to claim that your opposition to the DP is JUST LIKE your
opposition to slavery. The two cannot be compared as JUST LIKE
each other, unless you believe that murderers are the same as
innocent slaves... oops.. I forgot... that IS what you believe. I
was not comparing anything in respect to trash except a change of
trash day to eliminating trash pick up. That's all. And if you see
THEM as JUST LIKE each other... then you see the DP as JUST
LIKE slavery. And thus see MURDERERS as JUST LIKE
slaves. You can cry and wail and lie by presuming I compare
trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
transparent deception, and your devious attempts to hide from
the fact that you DO see murderers as the same as slaves, if
you state that your opposition to the DP is JUST LIKE your
opposition to slavery. Certainly if you find innocent slaves more
worthy of saving than murderers than you must say you oppose
the DP AND you oppose slavery, but not in the same dimension."
><snip>
>
>> >That said a certain level of indignation is felt by some Britishers
>> >when called 'European'.
>>
>> I usually try to avoid that, by referring to Continental Europe.
>
>But Britishers _are_ Europeans, you twat.
>
If you say so, sport. But then why would you claim that there should
be a 'certain level of indignation' if called what you now claim the
British are. Your comments always seem to drift all over the illogical
landscape, Ol' Racist Nev.
>> >You yoursen admitted (eventually) that a Brazilian is an American.
>> >
>> I never said they couldn't be...
>
>"No one, other than some jerk who has some anti-U.S. feelings at the
>core, would claim that a Brazilian is an "American."" [1]
>
You cannot find in those words that I have said they "Couldn't be"
called American. Clearly you are a Jew-baiter... but there is nothing
anyone can do to keep you from repeating Jew-baiting comments here.
><snip>
>
>> >Now... do one!
>> >
>> I do it.. every time I whip on you...
>
>LMFAO!! You're not in Mississippi now, boy, and I ain't yr
>'house-nigger'.
>
ROTFLMAO... You manage to prove you're a racist at every possible
opportunity... don't you? There is no longer a doubt that you are racist,
simply again here... over and over... by your claim that murderers are
"JUST LIKE" slaves.
>> poor boy. But you're lucky, since I plan on leaving for awhile on Tuesday.
>
>Good... Fuck off.
>
The thing about "for awhile" is that I intended to return and bitch-slap you
continually. Why do I do it? Because you're there, Ol' Racist Nev... and
because it gives me a great deal of satisfaction when I do.
PV
>Ol' Racist Nev
>
>
>[1]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2002103568d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=1etl6v46oc0u7kport3uo187as78fkn51a%404ax.com
Ol' Racist Nev's murder threat to me if I ever visit Disneyshire --
"stay the fuck out of Derbyshire, scum, else you'll be swimming in
the Erewash Canal with all the other old boots."
Ol' Racist Nev - March 30, 2003
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ec705.0304300639.5cfabaf4%40posting.google.com
FitzHerbert
> >> >I refuse to comment on the next paragraph wherein the despicable
> >> >FuckWit ridicules the abolition of the death-penalty as "the trash
> >> >[sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday", and
> >> >mocks our natural and proper desire to see an end to slavery as "the
> >> >elimination of trash collection altogether."
> >> >
> >> Actually, you refuse
> >
> >You _refuse_! Good pun that! I wish I'd ha' used it!
> >{LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!)
> >
> ROTFLMAO... you really are stupid, Ol' Racist Nev... Since you DID use it..
You don't say...
> and I simply repeated it. Could you possibly look at YOUR OWN words,
> above? Plus.. you seem to have developed a stutter. Is the emotional drain
> taking its toll on you?
>
> ><snip>
> >
> >> I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> >> transparent deception, and your devious attempts
> >
> >Not 'devious' scum, 'cunning', like a fox.
> >
> More like a jackal, sport.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
<snip>
> I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> transparent deception, and your devious attempts.
Deja vu, anybody? What a dirty little 'clip [sic] and paster' FW is!
> You certainly don't increase your "credibility" (ho ho ho) here, when you are > caught in a lie.
What lie? You ridiculed the abolition of the death-penalty as "the
trash [sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday".
Fact.
<snip>
> >> >That said a certain level of indignation is felt by some Britishers
> >> >when called 'European'.
> >>
> >> I usually try to avoid that, by referring to Continental Europe.
> >
> >But Britishers _are_ Europeans, you twat.
> >
> If you say so, sport.
It's common knowledge.
> But then why would you claim that there should be a 'certain level of
> indignation' if called what you now claim the British are.
Cos they don't like other 'Europeans'?
> Your comments always seem to drift all over the illogical
> landscape, Ol' Racist Nev.
>
> >> >You yoursen admitted (eventually) that a Brazilian is an American.
> >> >
> >> I never said they couldn't be...
> >
> >"No one, other than some jerk who has some anti-U.S. feelings at the
> >core, would claim that a Brazilian is an "American."" [1]
>
> You cannot find in those words that I have said they "Couldn't be"
> called American.
You imply that Brazilians are not American. In fact you refused to
believe me when I said they were... very much like the time you tried
to claim that AIDS was a "virus" [sic], and then did the mutha of all
U-turns.
And then there was yr support for the Iraq war as soon as you realised
many more Iraqizoids were dying than US troops. It seems "U-turn" is
yr middle name.
> Clearly you are a Jew-baiter... but there is nothing
> anyone can do to keep you from repeating Jew-baiting comments here.
>
> ><snip>
> >
> >> >Now... do one!
> >> >
> >> I do it.. every time I whip on you...
> >
> >LMFAO!! You're not in Mississippi now, boy, and I ain't yr
> >'house-nigger'.
> >
> ROTFLMAO... You manage to prove you're a racist at every possible
> opportunity... don't you? There is no longer a doubt that you are racist,
> simply again here... over and over... by your claim that murderers are
> "JUST LIKE" slaves.
Eh? When did I say that? It's you what keeps saying, FW.
<snip>
A Planet Visitor
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>
> > >> >I refuse to comment on the next paragraph wherein the despicable
> > >> >FuckWit ridicules the abolition of the death-penalty as "the trash
> > >> >[sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday", and
> > >> >mocks our natural and proper desire to see an end to slavery as "the
> > >> >elimination of trash collection altogether."
> > >> >
> > >> Actually, you refuse
> > >
> > >You _refuse_! Good pun that! I wish I'd ha' used it!
> > >{LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!)
> > >
> > ROTFLMAO... you really are stupid, Ol' Racist Nev... Since you DID use it..
>
> You don't say...
No... actually... YOU said! But understanding that your education
was obviously limited... and everyone must row with the oars he has been
provided... I thus forgive you, since you were obviously provided nothing
more than an intellectual teaspoon to row with.
> > and I simply repeated it. Could you possibly look at YOUR OWN words,
> > above? Plus.. you seem to have developed a stutter. Is the emotional drain
> > taking its toll on you?
> >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >> I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> > >> transparent deception, and your devious attempts
> > >
> > >Not 'devious' scum, 'cunning', like a fox.
> > >
> > More like a jackal, sport.
>
> LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
>
Ah, yes... page 3 of the "See Dick Run," textbook for children.
> <snip>
>
> > I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> > transparent deception, and your devious attempts.
>
> Deja vu, anybody? What a dirty little 'clip [sic] and paster' FW is!
>
Ol' Racist Nev looks around desperately.... he shouts ==> Hey, desi!!!!
Hey, euro!!!! Hey, dirt!!! Hey, JPB!!! Come help me!!! I'm out of my
intellectual league!!! <==
> > You certainly don't increase your "credibility" (ho ho ho) here, when
> > you are caught in a lie.
>
> What lie? You ridiculed the abolition of the death-penalty as "the
> trash [sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday".
>
> Fact.
>
Lie. I compared changing a trash collection day to eliminating trash
collection totally... nothing more. Asking it one would consider his
opposition to one "JUST LIKE" the other. Apparently you are too dumb
to find that your opposition to one would be greater than your opposition
to the other.
> <snip>
>
> > >> >That said a certain level of indignation is felt by some Britishers
> > >> >when called 'European'.
> > >>
> > >> I usually try to avoid that, by referring to Continental Europe.
> > >
> > >But Britishers _are_ Europeans, you twat.
> > >
> > If you say so, sport.
>
> It's common knowledge.
>
Well, then... apparently YOU'RE the one insulting them, since you
say they would be indignant and you keep referring to them as
"Europeans." When I do, if ever, refer to the British as Europeans
it is either inadvertent, or I am trying to make a point that they are
THINKING as Continental Europeans, rather than Englishmen,
believe me. I believe you are one of those I speak of, and I hardly
consider you British, but more Continental European in your views
than anything else. I try to always refer to the British or English.
I have said this before, but in my view (aside from some of the
British posters here who appear to have only recently been released
from the loony bin), the British as a nation and as a people are more
closely connected in a mental framework with the U.S. than with
Continental Europe.
> > But then why would you claim that there should be a 'certain level of
> > indignation' if called what you now claim the British are.
>
> Cos they don't like other 'Europeans'?
>
But you're CALLING them "Europeans"!! Have you lost all your
marbles?
> > Your comments always seem to drift all over the illogical
> > landscape, Ol' Racist Nev.
> >
> > >> >You yoursen admitted (eventually) that a Brazilian is an American.
> > >> >
> > >> I never said they couldn't be...
> > >
> > >"No one, other than some jerk who has some anti-U.S. feelings at the
> > >core, would claim that a Brazilian is an "American."" [1]
> >
> > You cannot find in those words that I have said they "Couldn't be"
> > called American.
>
> You imply that Brazilians are not American. In fact you refused to
> believe me when I said they were... very much like the time you tried
> to claim that AIDS was a "virus" [sic], and then did the mutha of all
> U-turns.
>
Silly boy.
> And then there was yr support for the Iraq war as soon as you realised
> many more Iraqizoids were dying than US troops. It seems "U-turn" is
> yr middle name.
>
"Iraqizoids"???? You anti-Arab swine!!! Is there NO RACE that you
do not HATE???
Actually, I concerned myself with the TOTAL number of casualties which
I felt would be realized in an invasion. You will find nothing from me that
would imply otherwise. The fact is the Iraqi army simply disintegrated
rather than was destroyed. My support for the Iraq invasion always rested
on what I felt was a _moral imperative_, in the removal the Saddam regime
which has been systematically slaughtering its own people for a quarter
of a century. I originally felt that price was too high to remove Saddam,
but the total casualties did not nearly approach what I originally believed.
Unlike you... I do not lock myself into one particular mode when I perceive
things have gone differently from what I first expected, and, to paraphrase
the Nameless One in respect to you and I -- "What makes me, I believe,
far superior to Ol' Racist Nev is that when I make such an error in judgment
of future events, I accept the fact" Nor do I make a claim that my view
cannot change in the future, if the situation deteriorates. While you are
mentally locked into a fanatical opposition to the invasion which leaves no
room for any intelligent analysis when the situation fluctuates. The methods
of a very bad strategic analyst. A man would be a fool to follow you in any
form of an argument, much less a battle. Since your arguments rest on
nothing other than hysterical raving, and a concrete mind-set.
> > Clearly you are a Jew-baiter... but there is nothing
> > anyone can do to keep you from repeating Jew-baiting comments here.
> >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >> >Now... do one!
> > >> >
> > >> I do it.. every time I whip on you...
> > >
> > >LMFAO!! You're not in Mississippi now, boy, and I ain't yr
> > >'house-nigger'.
> > >
> > ROTFLMAO... You manage to prove you're a racist at every possible
> > opportunity... don't you? There is no longer a doubt that you are racist,
> > simply again here... over and over... by your claim that murderers are
> > "JUST LIKE" slaves.
>
> Eh? When did I say that? It's you what keeps saying, FW.
>
Ummm... when you AGREED with euro, who clearly claimed that murderers
are "JUST LIKE" slaves, in his opposition to the DP being "JUST LIKE" his
opposition to slavery. Just as you also agreed with the suggestion from
spike that the "unemployed or ill" should be strung up. So far I have you
1) Threatening me with murder if I come to Disneyshire.
2) Agreeing with Spike that the "unemployed or ill" should be strung up.
3) Agreeing with euro that murderers are "JUST LIKE" slaves.
4) Proving yourself to be a neo-Nazi, being called one by S. Wiesenthal.
5) Proving yourself to be a racist by trying to suck other racists into AADP.
6) Proving yourself to be a holocaust denier by your own admission, and by
Nizkor.
7) Proving yourself to be an anti-Semite by the many insults you've
expressed in hostility toward the Jews.
8) Proving yourself to be anti-Arab... see above.
9) Proviing yourself to be a liar whenever you feel like it... such as above
with your "trash collection" lie, and your deceptive implication that you
don't understand "irony," in another for only two examples. You often
take my words stating they are YOUR opinions, and try to imply that
I have said they are MY opinions. Such as my claim that YOU
characterized Dachau as a "health spa," regardless of you not using
those exact words, and your lie in respect to claiming that "I" had
called Simon Wiesenthal a "holocaust denier," when I was showing
that HE had called YOU a neo-Nazi.
etc...etc...etc....
PV
>
> NNN
FitzHerbert
> > > >> >I refuse to comment on the next paragraph wherein the despicable
> > > >> >FuckWit ridicules the abolition of the death-penalty as "the trash
> > > >> >[sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday", and
> > > >> >mocks our natural and proper desire to see an end to slavery as "the
> > > >> >elimination of trash collection altogether."
> > > >> >
> > > >> Actually, you refuse
> > > >
> > > >You _refuse_! Good pun that! I wish I'd ha' used it!
> > > >{LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!)
> > > >
> > > ROTFLMAO... you really are stupid, Ol' Racist Nev... Since you DID use it..
> >
> > You don't say...
>
> No... actually... YOU said!
Good grief! English certainly isn't yr first language, FuckWit.
<snip>
> > > >> I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> > > >> transparent deception, and your devious attempts
<snip>
> > > I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> > > transparent deception, and your devious attempts.
> >
> > Deja vu, anybody? What a dirty little 'clip [sic] and paster' FW is!
>
> Ol' Racist Nev looks around desperately.... he shouts ==> Hey, desi!!!!
> Hey, euro!!!! Hey, dirt!!! Hey, JPB!!! Come help me!!! I'm out of my
> intellectual league!!! <==
I must confess that when I enter into a discourse with you, FW, I feel
much as the mighty Nottnam Forest might feel kicking-off against a
slightly under-strength Leyton Orient side.
<snip>
> When I do, if ever, refer to the British as Europeans it is either
> inadvertent, or I am trying to make a point that they are THINKING as
> Continental Europeans, rather than Englishmen, believe me.
Britishers are not Englishmen, per se.
> I believe you are one of those I speak of, and I hardly
> consider you British, but more Continental European in your views
> than anything else.
And I would rather be 'Continental' than 'British'.
<snip>
> the British as a nation and as a people are more closely connected in a
> mental framework with the U.S. than with Continental Europe.
*snort*
How would you know, FW?
<snip usual wank>
Yrs,
As ever,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
p.s. do you think Denmark is part of 'Continental Europe'?
A Planet Visitor
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>
> > > > >> >I refuse to comment on the next paragraph wherein the despicable
> > > > >> >FuckWit ridicules the abolition of the death-penalty as "the trash
> > > > >> >[sic] collection day being changed from Tuesday to Wednesday", and
> > > > >> >mocks our natural and proper desire to see an end to slavery as "the
> > > > >> >elimination of trash collection altogether."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> Actually, you refuse
> > > > >
> > > > >You _refuse_! Good pun that! I wish I'd ha' used it!
> > > > >{LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!)
> > > > >
> > > > ROTFLMAO... you really are stupid, Ol' Racist Nev... Since you DID use it..
> > >
> > > You don't say...
> >
> > No... actually... YOU said!
>
> Good grief! English certainly isn't yr first language, FuckWit.
>
Nev.
> <snip>
>
> > > > >> I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> > > > >> transparent deception, and your devious attempts
>
> <snip>
>
> > > > I compare trash pick up with murderer, but anyone can see through that
> > > > transparent deception, and your devious attempts.
> > >
> > > Deja vu, anybody? What a dirty little 'clip [sic] and paster' FW is!
> >
> > Ol' Racist Nev looks around desperately.... he shouts ==> Hey, desi!!!!
> > Hey, euro!!!! Hey, dirt!!! Hey, JPB!!! Come help me!!! I'm out of my
> > intellectual league!!! <==
>
> I must confess that when I enter into a discourse with you, FW, I feel
> much as the mighty Nottnam Forest might feel kicking-off against a
> slightly under-strength Leyton Orient side.
>
Stupid people always come to stupid conclusions, Ol' Racist Nev.
You've certainly come to one there.
> <snip>
>
> > When I do, if ever, refer to the British as Europeans it is either
> > inadvertent, or I am trying to make a point that they are THINKING as
> > Continental Europeans, rather than Englishmen, believe me.
>
> Britishers are not Englishmen, per se.
>
If you say so... penis-head. Although it has nothing to do with
my comment.
> > I believe you are one of those I speak of, and I hardly
> > consider you British, but more Continental European in your views
> > than anything else.
>
> And I would rather be 'Continental' than 'British'.
>
You're not telling me anything I didn't already suspect. I also suspect
that the British wish you were "Continental" as well. ... In fact, I
have a feeling you wish you were "Continental" and lived 60 years
ago in Nazi Germany... so you could give your big salute as you
dropped the Zyklon-B canisters.
> <snip>
>
> > the British as a nation and as a people are more closely connected in a
> > mental framework with the U.S. than with Continental Europe.
> How would you know, FW?
How would you know they are NOT, penis-head?
<typical drivel clipped>
PV
> Ol' Racist Nev