BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
William Robert
BOYCOTT
· Air France. Air Liquide. Airbus. Alcatel. Allegra (allergy medication).
Aqualung (including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and SeaQuest). AXA
Advisors
· Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas). Beneteau (boats). BF Goodrich
(owned by Michelin). BIC (razors, pens and lighters). Biotherm (cosmetics).
Black Bush. Bollinger (champagne).
· Cartier. Chanel. Chivas Regal (scotch). Christian Dior. Club Med (vacations).
Culligan (owned by Vivendi).
· Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods). DKNY. Dom Perignon. Durand Crystal
· Elle Magazine. Essilor Optical Products. Evian.
· Fina gas stations and Fina Oil (billions invested in Iraqi oil fields).
First Hawaiian Bank.
· George Magazine. Givenchy. Glenlivet (scotch).
· Hennessy. Houghton Mifflin (books).
· Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989). Jameson (whiskey).
· Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers).
· Lancome. Le Creuset (cookware). L'Oreal (health and beauty products). Louis
Vuitton.
· Marie Claire. Martel Cognac. Maybelline. Méphisto (shoes and clothes).
Michelin (tires and auto parts). Mikasa (crystal and glass). Moet (champagne).
Motel 6. Mumms (champagne).
· Nissan (cars; majority owned by Renault). Nivea. Normany Butter.
· Parents Magazine. Peugeot (automobiles). Pierre Cardin. Playstation
Magazine. ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics, France). Publicis Group
(including Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising).
· RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson Electronics). Red
Magazine. Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France). Renault
(automobiles). Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France).
Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffee makers, etc.). Royal Canadian.
· Salomon (skis). Sierra Software and Computer Games. Smart & Final. Sofitel
(hotels, owned by Accor). Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone). Spencer Gifts.
Sundance Channel.
· Taylor Made (golf). Technicolor. T-Fal (kitchenware). Total gas stations.
· UbiSoft (computer games). Uniroyal. Universal Studios (music, movies and
amusement parks; owned by Vivendi-Universal). USFilter.
· Veritas Group. Veuve Clicquot Champagne. Vittel. Vivendi.
· Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake). Yves Saint
Laurent.
· Zodiac Inflatable Boats.
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God bless America!
and no one else, ESPECIALLY THE french!
-----------
Euro
??????:20030426231902...@mb-m03.aol.com...
You forgot to mention Thomson, a famous French group with which Fox News
just passed a several million USD contract a few days ago...
Do as I say, not as I do...
Euro
Euro
"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> ??????:3eab60bb$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
> "William Robert" <billy...@aol.comnotdonko>
> ??????:20030426231902...@mb-m03.aol.com...
>
> just passed a several million USD contract a few days ago...
>
> Do as I say, not as I do...
>
> Euro
Sorry, I forgot to include the URL. Here it is:
http://www.thomson.net/frv/fr/06/c03/030407.htm
I couldn't find the English version. What it says is that, on April 7th, at
the National Association of Broadcasters saloon in Las Vegas, Thomson,
together with its US affiliates (for instance RCA, that provides lots of
jobs in the US, by the way - will you consider calling for a boycott of
RCA?), signed a big contract with Fox Television Stations (as much for me,
Fox News is only one of the trashy channels of this Murdoch-owned company)
on "several tens of million USD" for the numerization of the production and
broadcasting infrastructures.
In other terms, each time Fox News calls to boycott French products, not
only do they act quite hypocritically, but they also soon will only be able
to do so thanks to a French multinational.
If I were you, I'd even boycott Fox Television Stations.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
From: billy...@aol.comnotdonko (William Robert)
Date: 4/26/2003 11:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20030426231902...@mb-m03.aol.com>
===============================
Thanks for the info.
There are several other sites on the net that also list everything French.
Financially, I dont think Jacque Sixpack knows how much trouble Chirac has
brought them.
Jigsaw
JIGSAW1695
From: "Euro" vs...@hotmail.com
Date: 4/27/2003 1:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <3eab654b$1...@news.meganetnews.com>
http://www.thomson.net/frv/fr/06/c03/030407.htm
Euro
===============================
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Nice try Euro, but that dog just dont bark.
Euro
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com>
??????:20030427011916...@mb-m23.aol.com...
It's a bit like this famous 881 million USD contract between France's
Sodexho Alliance and the Pentagon on restauration. It was supposed to be
cancelled, until Chris Van Hollen, a Representative from Maryland, reminded
his fellow congressmen that Sodexho employs 110.000 Americans in the US
(mainly in Maryland actually) and pays every year 646 million USD as tax in
the US, both locally and nationally.
It's nice to come out with big slogans of boycott. I only wish that those
who do so could put their money where their mouth is.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>
>"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> ??????:3eab60bb$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
>> "William Robert" <billy...@aol.comnotdonko>
>> ??????:20030426231902...@mb-m03.aol.com...
>>
>> You forgot to mention Thomson, a famous French group with which Fox News
>> just passed a several million USD contract a few days ago...
>>
>> Do as I say, not as I do...
>>
>> Euro
>
>Sorry, I forgot to include the URL. Here it is:
>
>http://www.thomson.net/frv/fr/06/c03/030407.htm
>
>
>In other terms, each time Fox News calls to boycott French products, not
>only do they act quite hypocritically,
ROTFLMAO.... define "hypcritically." In your typical inimitable manner, as you
define "murder" as "legal."
PV
>Euro
>
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:3jooavgaung9d9bua...@4ax.com...
Once again PV caught red-handed twisting what I wrote. I challenge you to
give just one URL where I "defined murder as legal".
That being said, it is quite true that executions are legal murders.
Euro
FitzHerbert
> >In other terms, each time Fox News calls to boycott French products, not
> >only do they act quite hypocritically,
>
> ROTFLMAO.... define "hypcritically."
Pint #1 [sic]: it is a tad hypocritical for you to demand Euro to do
something which you are demonstrably unable to do:
Now move dem feet, Little Dancing Boy!!
Pint #2 [sic]: learn how to spell 'hypocritically', you daft cunt.
<usual guff snipped>
Yrs,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
Spike
blurted:
don't do that. he will make one up
>
-
execution is legalised murder
-
Spike
Euro
"Spike" <sp...@deathwatch.com>
??????:v9rqavcmfbcrnqval...@4ax.com...
That being said, I do believe our PV is a real expert in hypocrisy. He could
explain us, for instance, how it is possible to rant at a poster calling him
a "homosexual", which he considers to be an insult (that only judgement
sounds quite homophobe to me, btw), and occasionally call another poster a
zoophile by stressing he meant this to be an insult.
Oh, I must have been terribly cruel in writing this. Actually, PV can't
really be held responsible for the misfunctioning that regularly take place
in his brain: the left part has nothing right, and the right part has
nothing left.
Euro
jmbagley
against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
It requests visitors add specific product names, because so many lists
being passed around are either not inclusive enough or have some
inaccurate info. It's also got some pretty sharp French humor on
there.
It's at: dontbuyfrenchcrap.com
Check it out and submit your addition
A Planet Visitor
LOL.. if you define _execution_ as murder, then you ARE defining
murder as legal. You would certainly not argue that execution is illegal.
You have admitted it is legal, but called it _murder_, thus you ARE
defining _murder (execution) as legal_. In gross stupidity I might add.
>That being said, it is quite true that executions are legal murders.
>
LOL... Every time you state "legal murder," you are defining murder as legal.
In contradiction to every know principle of definitions. When you claim that
execution is "legal murder" you are attempting to DEFINE murder (which
you ignorantly argue is execution) as LEGAL. Some of your attempts to
DEFINE murder as legal --
1) "execution is nothing else than legal murder"
2) ""Legal murder", in my view..."
3) "Example 3. "Legal murder.""
4) "... it is correct to speak about "legal murder"..."
5) "Legal murder = "The legal killing of a human being with malice
aforethought."
6) "I said legal murder exists.."
7) "executions are "legal murder". "
In fact, in 5), you directly define murder (killing of a human being with malice
aforethought) as LEGAL.
You're pathetic... but of course, you already know that.
PV
>Euro
>
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
You yanks are a fucking hoot.
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"They've got to be protected/All their rights respected ((o))
Until someone we like can be elected." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
A Planet Visitor
>>spike says -- " i suggested that you should be put down"
>>
>> -
>> Spike
>
>That being said, I do believe our PV is a real expert in hypocrisy. He could
>explain us, for instance, how it is possible to rant at a poster calling him
>a "homosexual", which he considers to be an insult (that only judgement
>sounds quite homophobe to me, btw),
Up to this point, I have not called you a liar. Do not force me to do so.
I do not consider being a homosexual means ANYTHING. Calling
me a homosexual does not insult ME. I welcome being called one
by someone I am having an argument with here, since it demonstrates
HIS ignorance, proves I have won the argument by default, and says
NOTHING about me. It insults an entire class of our species, because
when one is called a homosexual here, it is MEANT as an insult with
malice to that class. It only makes the one calling me a homosexual
a HOMOPHOBE, and a BIGOT. Because THEY believe it is an
insult. And I will certainly call them homophobic, because THEY
are the one presuming it is an insult. It seems that your ridiculous
_argument_ (sic) is that if one is called a homosexual, one cannot
RECOGNIZE it contains such malice, and is INTENDED as an
insult, unless one also believes that BEING a homosexual is an insult.
That is not the case... and your confusion over this idea is disturbing.
It is no different than being born of a certain race. Just as someone
using a racial slur to call another here that racial slur, presuming it
insults them. It doesn't insult the one BEING called that racist slur.
It cannot do so. It is meant as an insult to the ENTIRE RACE.
Each time a racist slur is used, either directly at another or indirectly
in comments, it is MEANT to insult that ENTIRE RACE. And it
only makes the one USING that racist slur, either directly or
indirectly with obvious malice intended -- A RACIST.
>and occasionally call another poster a
>zoophile by stressing he meant this to be an insult.
>
Actually, I have never used that particular word (zoophile) in my
ENTIRE posting history. You should be more precise in your
comments. Since you presume to value _definitions_ so highly.
And if you are expecting me not to call you a liar. I'm now
becoming more sure that you seem to just flip through the
dictionary, find a word with your index finger, and try to fit
it in, even if it makes no sense at all.
>Oh, I must have been terribly cruel in writing this. Actually, PV can't
>really be held responsible for the misfunctioning that regularly take place
>in his brain: the left part has nothing right, and the right part has
>nothing left.
>
Pitiful kindergarten stuff, euro. But it's interesting to see that you are
now engaged in a SLURP...SLURP... SLURP contest with yet
another you hope to gain support from. Unfortunately, you've picked
a _real doozy_ in spike. Because --
1) He has suggested that the "unemployed or ill" should be strung up.
2) He has said that I should be "put down" because I disagree with him.
Nice friends you have, racists and others who hope those who disagree
with them are killed.
PV
>Euro
>
JIGSAW1695
Date: 4/30/2003 3:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <satan-A3F374....@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
You yanks are a fucking hoot.
Mr Q. Z. D.
===============================
We all need a little comedy in our lives.
JIGSAW1695
From: "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks
Date: 4/30/2003 3:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <satan-A3F374....@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
You yanks are a fucking hoot.
Mr Q. Z. D.
Spike
yeah they think they own the fucking world. What a hoot.
William Robert
>On 30 Apr 2003 11:48:04 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) blurted:
>
>>Subject: Re: BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
>>From: "Herbie" sa...@dildo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks
>>Date: 4/30/2003 3:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <satan-A3F374....@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
>>
>>In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>>jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
>>
>>> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
>>> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
>>
>>You yanks are a fucking hoot.
>>
>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>>===============================
>>
>>We all need a little comedy in our lives.
>
>yeah they think they own the fucking world. What a hoot.
>
>-
We do have the best parts of it.
Happy to help!
William Robert
>-
>Spike
-----------
God bless America!
and no one else, ESPECIALLY THE SMELLY HEATHEN french !
-----------
JIGSAW1695
Date: 4/30/2003 1:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <ga30bvgtcl0h67ft1...@4ax.com>
Spike
===============================
Wrong laddy. We dont own it. We merly control it and we are constatnly trying
to make it better.
Jigsaw
PS: It might be a good idea to start leaning the American way of speaking
English.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 4/30/2003 3:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20030430155530...@mb-m15.aol.com>
Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>On 30 Apr 2003 11:48:04 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) blurted:
>
>>Subject: Re: BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
>>From: "Herbie" sa...@dildo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks
>>Date: 4/30/2003 3:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <satan-A3F374....@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
>>
>>In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>>jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
>>
>>> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
>>> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
>>
>>You yanks are a fucking hoot.
>>
>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>>===============================
>>
>>We all need a little comedy in our lives.
>
>yeah they think they own the fucking world. What a hoot.
>
>-
We do have the best parts of it.
Happy to help!
William Robert
===============================
LOL!
Aint that the truth.
I wonder why Immigration and Naturalization turned Dezis applicant down?
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
> PS: It might be a good idea to start leaning the American way of speaking
> English.
Does that entail leaving the "r" out of "learning" and not typing "P.S."
correctly? If so, I'll stick to British English, ta very much.
;)
Spike
Robert) blurted:
>Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>
>>On 30 Apr 2003 11:48:04 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) blurted:
>>
>>>Subject: Re: BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
>>>From: "Herbie" sa...@dildo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks
>>>Date: 4/30/2003 3:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <satan-A3F374....@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
>>>
>>>In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>>>jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
>>>> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
>>>
>>>You yanks are a fucking hoot.
>>>
>>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>>>===============================
>>>
>>>We all need a little comedy in our lives.
>>
>>yeah they think they own the fucking world. What a hoot.
>>
>>-
>We do have the best parts of it.
what? you think you own Europe? You fucking shitstabber. You don't
even own the bit of soil you live on.
>
>Happy to help!
>
>William Robert
>>-
>>Spike
>
>-----------
>God bless America!
>
>and no one else, ESPECIALLY THE SMELLY HEATHEN french !
>-----------
-
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <satan-75454B....@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
In article <20030430171639...@mb-m05.aol.com>,
jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
> PS: It might be a good idea to start leaning the American way of speaking
> English.
Does that entail leaving the "r" out of "learning" and not typing "P.S."
correctly? If so, I'll stick to British English, ta very much.
;)
Mr Q. Z. D.
==============================
OK. Do as you please. However, you will be left behind when the American train
passes you by.
Pity.
Jigsaw :-(
Spike
>Subject: Re: BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
>From: Spike sp...@deathwatch.com
>Date: 4/30/2003 1:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ga30bvgtcl0h67ft1...@4ax.com>
>
>On 30 Apr 2003 11:48:04 GMT, jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) blurted:
>
>>Subject: Re: BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
>>From: "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks
>>Date: 4/30/2003 3:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <satan-A3F374....@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
>>
>>In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>>jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
>>
>>> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
>>> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
>>
>>You yanks are a fucking hoot.
>>
>>Mr Q. Z. D.
>>===============================
>>
>>We all need a little comedy in our lives.
>
>yeah they think they own the fucking world. What a hoot.
>
>Spike
>===============================
>
>Wrong laddy. We dont own it. We merly control it and we are constatnly trying
>to make it better.
bollocks. You control America and Tony Blair. Nowt else
>
>Jigsaw
>
>PS: It might be a good idea to start leaning the American way of speaking
>English.
hell'll freeze over and old Nick's ass will turn blue afore i do
anything the yank way.
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:8hruav883pg0rbabv...@4ax.com...(snipped)
>
>
> >and occasionally call another poster a
> >zoophile by stressing he meant this to be an insult.
> >
> Actually, I have never used that particular word (zoophile) in my
> ENTIRE posting history. You should be more precise in your
> comments.
You did write that, a few days ago?
"Your seeing what you saw, is a clear manifestation of your repressed desire
for bestial intercourse."
Don't you remember you wrote it? That was just a few days ago, though.
Check that URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=PV+Rorschach+Inkblot&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe
=UTF-8&selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax.com&rnum=1
Now, definitions are as follows:
"zoophile, n.
Lover of animals
zoophilia, n.
1/ Affection or affinity for animals.
2/ Erotic attraction to or sexual contact with animals.
3/ (Biology) A tendency to feed or grow on animal tissue. "
(URLs: http://www.kokogiak.com/logolepsy/ow_z.html#zoophile and
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=zoophile)
You may not be about to call me a liar. You can be sure that, even though I
haven't done so, that's what I think someone who continuously twists others'
opinions is.
> >Oh, I must have been terribly cruel in writing this. Actually, PV can't
> >really be held responsible for the misfunctioning that regularly take
place
> >in his brain: the left part has nothing right, and the right part has
> >nothing left.
> >
> Pitiful kindergarten stuff, euro. But it's interesting to see that you
are
> now engaged in a SLURP...SLURP... SLURP contest with yet
> another you hope to gain support from. Unfortunately, you've picked
> a _real doozy_ in spike. Because --
Thanks. I knew I'd get your gimmick n° 65. That's all you're able to say
when you can't master your hysteric trends anymore, isn't it?
Euro
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <b8t0bvsee1pnopggq...@4ax.com>
===============================
You are using the Internet, aren't you??
William Robert
The train has already passed them by. Why do you think they are so bitter?
William Robert
>
>Jigsaw :-(
William Robert
>I wonder why Immigration and Naturalization turned Dezis applicant down?
His mental condition? His lack of marketable work skills? His criminal record?
His only hope is to cross the Mexican border. Standford has a great
neuroscience center that might be able to help him once he makes it here.
William Robert
A Planet Visitor
ROTFLMAO... why do so many of you make it so easy? There must be
a subconscious _death-wish_ to logic for the group of Europeans who have
made the U.S. DP a _winner_ in this group. And both of you are key
players in having made the U.S. DP that _winner_.
BTW -- thanks to both of you and euro, for all your help in making U.S.
retention the final winner in this group. You can both now concentrate
on your anti-American posturing.
>spike says -- ""i suggested that you should be put down."
url:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ri7u9vom0rleat0756bgu0ddgjvhkstklu%404ax.com
>-
>Spike
JIGSAW1695
Date: 5/1/2003 12:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20030501005625...@mb-m07.aol.com>
jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>I wonder why Immigration and Naturalization turned Dezis applicant down?
His mental condition? His lack of marketable work skills? His criminal record?
His only hope is to cross the Mexican border. Standford has a great
neuroscience center that might be able to help him once he makes it here.
William Robert
===============================
Well, if he makes it I am sure he will take advantage of the finest medicine in
the world.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
Thanks, Jiggy, for reproducing another find piece of billycunt's
ignorance and illiteracy. I wouldn't have seen it but for your effort.
The following is addressed to billytwat:
> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
> From: billy...@aol.comnotdonko (William Robert)
> His mental condition? His lack of marketable work skills? His criminal
> record?
What criminal record, spastic? Put up or shut up.
> His only hope is to cross the Mexican border. Standford has a great
> neuroscience center that might be able to help him once he makes it here.
"Standford"??? Where the fuck's that? Is that where you got your
"engineering degree"? ROTFLMAO!!!
I think you'll find that the institution to which you were referring
(and you doubtless did not attend, explaining your envy of those of us
who are university educated) is called "Stanford". I do understand,
though, that only vague rumours of such an institution have made their
way to your trailer park.
LOLASTD!!!
Perhaps one day, you'll overcome your natural limitations and seek an
"eddication" for yourself, cock-boy.
Euro
"William Robert" <billy...@aol.comnotdonko>
??????:20030501003623...@mb-m07.aol.com...
> jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
> >From: "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks
> >Date: 4/30/2003 7:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <satan-75454B....@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
> >
> >In article <20030430171639...@mb-m05.aol.com>,
> >jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
> >
> >> PS: It might be a good idea to start leaning the American way of
speaking
> >> English.
> >
> >Does that entail leaving the "r" out of "learning" and not typing "P.S."
> >correctly? If so, I'll stick to British English, ta very much.
> >
> >;)
> >
> >Mr Q. Z. D.
> >==============================
> >
> >OK. Do as you please. However, you will be left behind when the American
train
> >passes you by.
> >
> >Pity.
>
> The train has already passed them by. Why do you think they are so bitter?
>
> William Robert
Don't mention it... but if it's a high-speed train, I think France provided
it. Thanks for their businessmen.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:s791bvof5tfbjdsa1...@4ax.com...
Final winner??? Like for the Iraqi war, your conclusions are quite
premature. And your hysteria, which, as usual, finishes in putting an
"anti-American" label on those you have a psychological fixation on, is
purely moronic... and simplistic as well.
Poor PV... You should consult a psychiatrist.
Euro
French Ribbon Clerk
{ snip }
>> > PS: It might be a good idea to start leaning the American way of speaking
>> > English.
>> Does that entail leaving the "r" out of "learning" and not typing "P.S."
>> correctly? If so, I'll stick to British English, ta very much.
> OK. Do as you please. However, you will be left behind when the American train
> passes you by.
Building his hopes up, I see ...
---
Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
Yamaha YZF-R1
http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/
Ian Harris
<sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>In article <20030501021443...@mb-m06.aol.com>,
>jigsa...@aol.com (JIGSAW1695) wrote:
>
>Thanks, Jiggy, for reproducing another find piece of billycunt's
>ignorance and illiteracy. I wouldn't have seen it but for your effort.
>The following is addressed to billytwat:
>
>> Subject: Re: BOYCOTT French products & DON'T vacation in France!
>> From: billy...@aol.comnotdonko (William Robert)
>
>> His mental condition? His lack of marketable work skills? His criminal
>> record?
>
>What criminal record, spastic? Put up or shut up.
We all recall Desmond accusing another of spending time in jail. Don't
you? Now put up or shut up!
>
>> His only hope is to cross the Mexican border. Standford has a great
>> neuroscience center that might be able to help him once he makes it here.
>
>"Standford"??? Where the fuck's that? Is that where you got your
>"engineering degree"? ROTFLMAO!!!
Is this the best you can do? He trolled you again.
>
>I think you'll find that the institution to which you were referring
>(and you doubtless did not attend, explaining your envy of those of us
>who are university educated) is called "Stanford". I do understand,
>though, that only vague rumours of such an institution have made their
>way to your trailer park.
Did you learn anything other than spelling?
Can you tell us about it?
Ian Harris
>LOLASTD!!!
>Mr Q. Z. D.
Ian Harris
As a Scotsman, I'm embarrassed for you.
Ian
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:idouav8215mh3eauf...@4ax.com...
That is a gross and stupid lie, may I add. You didn't give a URL in which I
"defined murder as legal". Likewise, I never said that execution was murder,
but "legal murder", which is substantially different. Your attempt to
deceive everyone by undue deductions and distortions of what I wrote is
pitiful, it makes you one of the most despicable posters here.
Euro
Spike
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <tul2bv090s8v46mni...@4ax.com>
yeah. Why?
===============================
Because if are using the Internet, you already are doing it the Yank way. We
invented the internet. At least the DOD did as an alternative to satelite
communications.
Welcome to American way of life son.
Jigsaw
Spike
just coz you yanks invented it don't mean surfing it is a yank thing
>
>Welcome to American way of life son.
not a friggin chance, murder loving scum. Why don't you talk English
the English way instead? Sonny
>
>Jigsaw
A Planet Visitor
<sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
>
>> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
>> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
>
>You yanks are a fucking hoot.
>
Arrrgggggg!!!!!!
PV
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
wrote:
> We all recall Desmond accusing another of spending time in jail.
Yes.
> Don't
> you? Now put up or shut up!
What's it got to do with me, "Ian"? You fucking mental midget.
> >> His only hope is to cross the Mexican border. Standford has a great
> >> neuroscience center that might be able to help him once he makes it
> >> here.
> >
> >"Standford"??? Where the fuck's that? Is that where you got your
> >"engineering degree"? ROTFLMAO!!!
>
> Is this the best you can do? He trolled you again.
Oh. The "just trolling" excuse. Tell me, "Ian", does billycunt pay you
to stick your tongue up his arse or do you do it for pleasure?
> >I think you'll find that the institution to which you were referring
> >(and you doubtless did not attend, explaining your envy of those of us
> >who are university educated) is called "Stanford". I do understand,
> >though, that only vague rumours of such an institution have made their
> >way to your trailer park.
>
> Did you learn anything other than spelling?
More than you, spag-boy.
> Can you tell us about it?
Where would you like me to start. My special areas are calculus,
physics (with particular reference to cosmic ray astronomy) and digital
image processing. What are yours (apart from holding billytwats wang
while he types)?
ROTFLMAO!!!
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
> not a friggin chance, murder loving scum. Why don't you talk English
> the English way instead? Sonny
Coming from a Glaswegian, Spike, that's more than a bit rich!
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <u063bvgb2e8udpo2l...@4ax.com>
===============================
Because......... Drum roll..... trumpets.....
...another drum roll.... because we are not english.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:21:00 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
> <sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>
> >In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
> >jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
> >
> >> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
> >> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
> >
> >You yanks are a fucking hoot.
> >
> Arrrgggggg!!!!!!
You supporting this infantile, futile "boycott" of French products, PV?
Do you think that the French give a rat's arse about it? If so, please
make your position clear.
Dolly Coughlan Jr
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Dolly Coughlan Jr, the legend continues!
As Desi lies, the archive grows!
Spike
<sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> blurted:
>In article <u063bvgb2e8udpo2l...@4ax.com>, Spike
><sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>
>> not a friggin chance, murder loving scum. Why don't you talk English
>> the English way instead? Sonny
>
>Coming from a Glaswegian, Spike, that's more than a bit rich!
throwing his own salt back in his face sonny
>
>Mr Q. Z. D.
Spike
yer got that right
>>
>>Welcome to American way of life son.
>
>not a friggin chance, murder loving scum. Why don't you talk English
>the English way instead? Sonny
>===============================
>
>Because......... Drum roll..... trumpets.....
>...another drum roll.... because we are not english.
-
John Rennie
"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3eb1291c$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
Excuse me, Euro, but 'legal murder' is what I call a stupid
oxymoron.
John Rennie
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in
message news:satan-AACE14....@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> In article <rd52bvgfe8pklvuug...@4ax.com>, Ian Harris
> wrote:
>
> > We all recall Desmond accusing another of spending time in jail.
>
> Yes.
>
> > Don't
> > you? Now put up or shut up!
>
> What's it got to do with me, "Ian"? You fucking mental midget.
>
> > >> His only hope is to cross the Mexican border. Standford has a great
> > >> neuroscience center that might be able to help him once he makes it
> > >> here.
> > >
> > >"Standford"??? Where the fuck's that? Is that where you got your
> > >"engineering degree"? ROTFLMAO!!!
> >
> > Is this the best you can do? He trolled you again.
>
> Oh. The "just trolling" excuse. Tell me, "Ian", does billycunt pay you
> to stick your tongue up his arse or do you do it for pleasure?
>
> > >I think you'll find that the institution to which you were referring
> > >(and you doubtless did not attend, explaining your envy of those of us
> > >who are university educated) is called "Stanford". I do understand,
> > >though, that only vague rumours of such an institution have made their
> > >way to your trailer park.
> >
> > Did you learn anything other than spelling?
>
> More than you, spag-boy.
Tck! Tck!
JIGSAW1695
Date: 5/1/2003 9:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <M1ksa.18$uJ3....@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net>
===============================
"Legal Homicide" is a more realistic term.
Euro
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
??????:M1ksa.18$uJ3....@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net...
It is your perfect right to do so, but it is my perfect right to keep using
it whenever I feel like it. It is also my perfect right to feel outraged
whenever someone else tries to twist this expression and make believe that I
said something else than I really did.
Euro
Spike
<j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
execution is stupid, period.
Spike
<j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
>
are you a bomb or summat?
Spike
Deathie scum will do that for ya. They will try to confuse you by
distorting your words and playing them back to ya. Look at fuckwitt!
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:8hruav883pg0rbabv...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:11:29 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>(snipped)
>>
>>
>> >and occasionally call another poster a
>> >zoophile by stressing he meant this to be an insult.
>> >
>> Actually, I have never used that particular word (zoophile) in my
>> ENTIRE posting history. You should be more precise in your
>> comments.
>
>You did write that, a few days ago?
>"Your seeing what you saw, is a clear manifestation of your repressed desire
>for bestial intercourse."
>
You silly shit... I remember exactly what I said.. and I did NOT
use the word "zoophile." You have said I "occasionally call
another poster a zoophile" And that is simply a lie Regardless of
how you would hope to _translate_ my comment.. the word
you say I used was NOT used. You simply need to be more
PRECISE. Isn't that what I said?
>Don't you remember you wrote it? That was just a few days ago, though.
>Check that URL:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=PV+Rorschach+Inkblot&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe
>=UTF-8&selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax.com&rnum=1
>
>Now, definitions are as follows:
>
>"zoophile, n.
>Lover of animals
>
>zoophilia, n.
>1/ Affection or affinity for animals.
>2/ Erotic attraction to or sexual contact with animals.
>3/ (Biology) A tendency to feed or grow on animal tissue. "
>
>(URLs: http://www.kokogiak.com/logolepsy/ow_z.html#zoophile and
>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=zoophile)
>
Jesus... but you are ignorant beyond belief. Are you presuming I did
not KNOW the word? I cannot believe you would presume that,
since obviously if I did not, I would have simply looked at my OED,
before responding to your silly accusation that I "occasionally call
another poster a zoophile."
Read my words. Repeating them --
"Actually, I have never used that particular word (zoophile) in my
ENTIRE posting history. You should be more precise in your comments."
And you then go into this hysterically funny dialog of providing
definitions which have put you in the shitter on a number of other
occasions in respect to the English language.
Is there some mental blockage in your brain that blocks out your
understanding of words, as you decide to try and make your words
mine? Have I EVER used the word "zoophile"? NO. My comment
stands totally accurate.. and you are a total fool to try and argue this
fact. This absolute TRUISM.
>You may not be about to call me a liar. You can be sure that, even though I
>haven't done so, that's what I think someone who continuously twists others'
>opinions is.
>
Actually, YOU have attempted to state I used a word that I had not
used. regardless of your interpretation... you cannot put particular
words of YOUR CHOOSING in my mouth. And there is no doubt
that in this case you came as close to lying as possible. And you are
still trying to deceptively hide from the truth.
>> Pitiful kindergarten stuff, euro. But it's interesting to see that you
>are
>> now engaged in a SLURP...SLURP... SLURP contest with yet
>> another you hope to gain support from. Unfortunately, you've picked
>> a _real doozy_ in spike. Because --
>
>Thanks. I knew I'd get your gimmick n° 65. That's all you're able to say
>when you can't master your hysteric trends anymore, isn't it?
>
ROTFLMAO... another 'brain tumor bob' follower. The fact that you
cannot see your own hysteria, through relying on such methods, only
reflects on your inability to provide anything original, sport. And
shows you still enjoy plagiarizing others. Where was your attribution?
Finally -- I will tell you as I've told another European foolish follower of
abolition of the U.S. DP --
Abolition has self-destructed (thanks mainly to you), and retention is
now the clear _winner_. No cause could POSSIBLY be the more
rational course, when it contains those who embrace that course such
as you, desi, dirtbag, Ol' Racist Nev, spike, peter, jürgen, hugh, JPB,
earl, and other Europeans who pop in from time to time to demonstrate
their stupidity, and anti-Americanism, cloaking it in the U.S. DP, and
then slink away.
It is rather axiomatic that there must be a certain number of rational
people who embrace a particular course for it to be found reasonable.
That number has never been reached here, in the way of arguing for
abolition. In sports, for example... lacking skilled players, the _game_
becomes a rout... and usually it is called a forfeit before the _game_
even begins. By analogy to sports here... with only a handful of
skilled players having shown up willing to 'play ball for the abolition
team,' retention is the clear winner by default... a full complement
of competent team members for abolition having failed to show up
to play.
You can now concentrate on anti-American bashing, the true
reason for you posting here, without hiding behind the phony facade
of presuming that there is something _wrong_ with the execution
of a paltry 849 murderers... among the most vile and disgusting
members of our species... in the great length of more than 25 years.
Hopefully leaving behind the need for me to apply the word 'hypocrite'
to your posts, as much as has been seen in the past, when that
phony facade of yours disappears. You and certain other Europeans
can finally coming out of the closet, so to speak, and admit your true
purpose in posting here is generalized in anti-American posturing,
and has nothing to do with the U.S. DP.
I will repeat this notice to you, as often as I feel necessary. Note
that it is an original production, and not a copy of another calling
everything a gimmick which you tried to plagiarize as usual.
PV
>Euro
>
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:gm64bv809a61am10n...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 1 May 2003 10:59:48 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >??????:8hruav883pg0rbabv...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:11:29 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >(snipped)
> >>
> >>
> >> >and occasionally call another poster a
> >> >zoophile by stressing he meant this to be an insult.
> >> >
> >> Actually, I have never used that particular word (zoophile) in my
> >> ENTIRE posting history. You should be more precise in your
> >> comments.
> >
> >You did write that, a few days ago?
> >"Your seeing what you saw, is a clear manifestation of your repressed
desire
> >for bestial intercourse."
> >
> You silly shit... I remember exactly what I said.. and I did NOT
> use the word "zoophile." You have said I "occasionally call
> another poster a zoophile" And that is simply a lie
What you said was exactly the same, even though you didn't use the word. The
truth is that you're just too cowardly to draw the consequences of what you
wrote.
Check out:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=PV+Rorschach+Inkblot&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe
=UTF-8&selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax.com&rnum=1
I repeat your words:
"Have you ever heard of the Rorschach Inkblot psychological
personality test? Your seeing what you saw, is a clear
manifestation of your repressed desire for bestial intercourse."
If you didn't mean zoophile, then what did you mean?
Euro
Spike
<sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> blurted:
>In article <7o63bvk12rb950eiv...@4ax.com>, A Planet
>Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:21:00 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
>> <sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>> >jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
>> >> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
>> >
>> >You yanks are a fucking hoot.
>> >
>> Arrrgggggg!!!!!!
>
>You supporting this infantile, futile "boycott" of French products, PV?
>Do you think that the French give a rat's arse about it? If so, please
>make your position clear.
ay Mr Diablo. I don't think my kill list is working. I can still see
Fuckwitt the first. What am i doing wrong?
>
>Mr Q. Z. D.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 5/2/2003 1:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <goa5bv8lsh48mkpda...@4ax.com>
===============================
You are not comeptent. It is not your fault. Genetics. Dont fight it.
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:s791bvof5tfbjdsa1...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:05:03 +0100, Spike <sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:14:35 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com>
>> >blurted:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >>??????:3jooavgaung9d9bua...@4ax.com...
>> >>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:06:13 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com>
>??????:3eab60bb$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
>> >>> >> "William Robert" <billy...@aol.comnotdonko>
>> >>> >> ??????:20030426231902...@mb-m03.aol.com...
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> You forgot to mention Thomson, a famous French group with which Fox
>> >>News
>> >>> >> just passed a several million USD contract a few days ago...
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Do as I say, not as I do...
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Euro
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Sorry, I forgot to include the URL. Here it is:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >http://www.thomson.net/frv/fr/06/c03/030407.htm
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >In other terms, each time Fox News calls to boycott French products,
>not
>> >>> >only do they act quite hypocritically,
>> >>>
>> >>> ROTFLMAO.... define "hypcritically." In your typical inimitable
>manner,
>> >>as you
>> >>> define "murder" as "legal."
>> >>
>> >>Once again PV caught red-handed twisting what I wrote. I challenge you
>to
>> >>give just one URL where I "defined murder as legal".
>> >>
>> >>That being said, it is quite true that executions are legal murders.
>> >>
>> >>Euro
>> >
>> >don't do that. he will make one up
>>
>> ROTFLMAO... why do so many of you make it so easy? There must be
>> a subconscious _death-wish_ to logic for the group of Europeans who have
>> made the U.S. DP a _winner_ in this group. And both of you are key
>> players in having made the U.S. DP that _winner_.
>>
>> BTW -- thanks to both of you and euro, for all your help in making U.S.
>> retention the final winner in this group. You can both now concentrate
>> on your anti-American posturing.
>
>Final winner??? Like for the Iraqi war, your conclusions are quite
>premature. And your hysteria, which, as usual, finishes in putting an
>"anti-American" label on those you have a psychological fixation on, is
>purely moronic... and simplistic as well.
LOL... Thanks for confirming that you admit the U.S. DP argument here is
dead and buried, and retention is the clear winner. Thanks to those
such as you. You have simply confirmed in your post that you wish to
concentrate on your anti-American posturing.
>Poor PV... You should consult a psychiatrist.
Sounds as if you're the one becoming a bit hysterical. So rave on, my little
maestro of pseudo-intellectualism. After becoming aware of the character
defects which exist in your own land, it has apparently led to the next step
from you - blaming others. How typical. :-(.
PV
>
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:idouav8215mh3eauf...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:14:35 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >??????:3jooavgaung9d9bua...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:06:13 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> ??????:3eab60bb$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
>> >> >> "William Robert" <billy...@aol.comnotdonko>
>> >> >> ??????:20030426231902...@mb-m03.aol.com...
<rest clipped>
>> >> >In other terms, each time Fox News calls to boycott French products,
>> >> >not
>> >> >only do they act quite hypocritically,
>> >> ROTFLMAO.... define "hypocritically." In your typical inimitable
>> >> manner,
>> >> as you
>> >> define "murder" as "legal."
>> >Once again PV caught red-handed twisting what I wrote. I challenge you to
>> >give just one URL where I "defined murder as legal".
>> LOL.. if you define _execution_ as murder, then you ARE defining
>> murder as legal. You would certainly not argue that execution is illegal.
>> You have admitted it is legal, but called it _murder_, thus you ARE
>> defining _murder (execution) as legal_. In gross stupidity I might add.
>That is a gross and stupid lie, may I add. You didn't give a URL in which I
>"defined murder as legal".
See -
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e70a0f2%241_4%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words "executions are legal murders"
See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e6f4cb0%241_7%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words "This is why I say that executions are "legal murder"
see --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3e69d252%241_6%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words "execution is nothing else than legal murder"
Do you know what the meaning of the words "are" and "is" are in the
English language. They attempt to DEFINE what "are' or "is."
> Likewise, I never said that execution was murder,
>but "legal murder", which is substantially different.
ROTFLMAO. Don't be a twit, and a liar. Murder IS murder. You can
shake and bake it any idiotic way you wish, but the OPERATIVE NOUN
is MURDER, and "legal" is simply what you presume as an adjective.
A descriptive of that noun. Which does not change WHAT IT IS, one
tiny bit. A 'fat' man, is STILL a "man."
When you admit that you said "executions are legal murder," it is obvious
that you are STATING "executions are _a FORM of_ murder." That form
being a lie as well... with you claiming it is legal. You have simply also tried to
define murder as legal in that same sentence...You have most certainly tried to
DEFINE execution as murder. And I will call you a LIAR... should you
attempt to wiggle your way out by arguing that "a form of murder" can be
substantially different from "murder." There might be "different forms" of
murder defined... but they are ALL MURDER.
> Your attempt to deceive everyone by undue deductions and distortions
> of what I wrote is pitiful, it makes you one of the most despicable posters here.
>
You still have this inability to look in the mirror, euro. While aside from all
your childish insults, you really are intellectually deprived. You keep believing
that the rather unique combination of ignorance, confidence and insults you
display here will somehow equal success. But in the interest of my providing
my usual _tough love_ approach to helping others see their flaws... I must
frankly tell you that you are wrong.... you are actually an abject failure at
expressing an articulate argument. Face up to it.
PV
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
Can I say that I find it more than stupid? Using a play on words, such
as "military intelligence," as an oxymoron, is rather humorous, and makes
a point. But to say "legal murder" is diabolically evil, in my opinion. It
presumes that murder CAN BE legal. One cannot find anything
humorous in such a suggestion, regardless of the pathetic attempt to
_justify_ it by calling it an oxymoron. What one is only trying to do when
using that term is justify MURDER. Providing an adjective to the noun
as a descriptive, describing that noun as legal. Thus, it DEFENDS those
who murder, claiming it is POSSIBLE to do so in some legal manner. I
have often found that euro uses methods I would find at best devious, and
at worst _immoral_ (IMHO - and I know you don't like that word).
Which, IMHO, should rather disturb others holding abolition as an argument,
seeing that some would find it necessary to descend to such unprincipled
methods in a hope to justify their views.
That being said... euro is a shit.
PV
A Planet Visitor
No one is twisting your expression, euro. You admit that you've said
"executions are legal murder." For one of a number of examples
of you using those words see --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e6f4cb0%241_7%40news.meganetnews.com
That IS what you said... and NOT something else. Now, those are
the crucial four words under examination. And it is impossible for you
to argue anyone is trying to "twist" it, since it is ONLY those four words
we are speaking about. The point is you have tried to JUSTIFY
that expression... not that anyone has twisted it. You have tried in
various ways to JUSTIFY you saying so... first, by simply trying to
defend them... next by calling them an oxymoron... and finally by
trying to convince others that 'legal murder' does not mean 'murder.'
As if saying "the fat man," no longer refers to a "man." You have been
totally destroyed in each of your pathetic attempts to justify
those four words. You really should just put it to bed. I know
you will never admit you are stupid... your enormous ego would
NEVER permit that. But it doesn't seem necessary that you
keep proving yourself to BE so stupid and ego driven.... with
every post that you try to justify those four words. Thus, my
advice to you, is just stop responding by trying to defend those
words, and never use them again.
While hoping no one recalls them for you (fat chance... as long as
I'm here). :-)
PV
>Euro
>
Mr Q. Z. D. at home
<sp...@deathwatch.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2003 02:43:00 +0100, "John Rennie"
> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> blurted:
> >Tck! Tck!
>
> are you a bomb or summat?
He was telling me off for saying "spag". I can't help it - I _like_ the
word. There's something _incredibly_ insulting about it.
Must...maintain...control...
John Rennie
"Mr Q. Z. D. at home" <sa...@dodo.com.au.this.is.bollocks.remove.to.mail.me>
wrote in message news:satan-D6F046....@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
If I was a bomb, the appropriate words would be Tick! Tick!, you
Ozzie twit.
Spike
<sa...@dodo.com.au.this.is.bollocks.remove.to.mail.me> blurted:
some fucks ask to be insulted.
dirtdog
Oops! Attribution fuckup Mr Rennie.
QZD no doubt awaits your apology.
w00f
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> If I was a bomb, the appropriate words would be Tick! Tick!, you
> Ozzie twit.
I would hope that you'd spell it "Aussie", John, or has living in the
home counties imbued you with the habit of pronouncing it "Ossie" as it
has so many others...?
A Planet Visitor
<sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>In article <7o63bvk12rb950eiv...@4ax.com>, A Planet
>Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:21:00 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
>> <sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <cf924cee.03042...@posting.google.com>,
>> >jmba...@yahoo.com (jmbagley) wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is a new website dedicated to organizing a bigger boycott
>> >> against France...we need to keep up the momentum.
>> >
>> >You yanks are a fucking hoot.
>> >
>> Arrrgggggg!!!!!!
>
>You supporting this infantile, futile "boycott" of French products, PV?
>Do you think that the French give a rat's arse about it? If so, please
>make your position clear.
Not at all. I was concerned that you presumed "jim bagley" represents
ALL YANKS. You may not have meant it that way... but I have a
thin skin when it is worded as you did, having dealt with 'bob' for so
long. I would never presume, if I disagreed with someone from
Australia, to say "You Australians are a fucking hoot." I believe you
should have said "you're a fucking hoot," since I would totally agree
with that statement. Bigoted people such as him ARE a "hoot" regardless
of their nationality, and it's not necessary to make a generalized "You
yanks," comment I believe. If you recall, I exploded in remarking on
_our leaders_ (those assorted 'hoots') who decided to rename the
French Fry, the "Freedom Fry" in the U.S. Congressional lunch room.
I apologize if you believe I overreacted, or if your misunderstood the
reason for my "Arrrgggggg." Sometimes I presume too much that others
will grasp the emotion I have behind some of my comments. And
perhaps you did as well when you offered your comment. But _I am
who I am_. :-) Warts and all.
PV
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote:
> On Thu, 01 May 2003 23:30:01 GMT, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
> <sa...@dodo.com.au.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
> >You supporting this infantile, futile "boycott" of French products, PV?
> >Do you think that the French give a rat's arse about it? If so, please
> >make your position clear.
>
> Not at all. I was concerned that you presumed "jim bagley" represents
> ALL YANKS. You may not have meant it that way... but I have a
> thin skin when it is worded as you did,
I apologise to all reasonable US citizens about that, then. It would
have been hard to express what I mean snappily so I ended up being
ambiguous or less than accurate or something.
> Australia, to say "You Australians are a fucking hoot." I believe you
> should have said "you're a fucking hoot," since I would totally agree
> with that statement.
I was trying to encompass more than just the one person in the
statement. I fear that I cast the net more than a bit too widely.
> I apologize if you believe I overreacted, or if your misunderstood the
> reason for my "Arrrgggggg." Sometimes I presume too much that others
> will grasp the emotion I have behind some of my comments. And
> perhaps you did as well when you offered your comment. But _I am
> who I am_. :-) Warts and all.
I was merely mystified as to what it was that you'd taken umbrage to.
Now I know and no, I didn't mean the generalisation to sound as bad as
it did.
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:b9h6bv07itp619v3n...@4ax.com...
Is that your brabd-new argument that you use every now and then when you
want to criticize someone?
Because I can tell you something I already wrote: if criticizing the US when
it so deserves means being anti-American, then yes, I am an anti-American
and I am proud to be. I can even warn you that I will prove myself as an
anti-American every time I deem it justified.
Likewise, I am proud to receive insults from you if it is the price to pay
when one doesn't agree with "Her Highness" PV.
> >Poor PV... You should consult a psychiatrist.
>
> Sounds as if you're the one becoming a bit hysterical.
Now, I'm condescending, which is already quite a generous feeling regarding
your personality.
Euro
(remaining PV's insults snipped: we all know how excellent you are in this
field when you have nothing else to say)
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:6o98bvo722u7vk91j...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 2 May 2003 09:55:55 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Excuse me, Euro, but 'legal murder' is what I call a stupid
> >> oxymoron.
> >
> >It is your perfect right to do so, but it is my perfect right to keep
using
> >it whenever I feel like it. It is also my perfect right to feel outraged
> >whenever someone else tries to twist this expression and make believe
that I
> >said something else than I really did.
> >
> No one is twisting your expression, euro. You admit that you've said
> "executions are legal murder." For one of a number of examples
> of you using those words see --
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e6f4cb0%241_7%40news.meganetnews.com
>
> That IS what you said... and NOT something else.
Exactly. So, contrary to what you wrote, I never defined murder as being
legal.
(refer to:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hypcritically+group:alt.activism.death-pen
alty&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.activism.death-penalty&selm=3jooavgaung9d9
buacbuaqbf3gm0k2dumq%404ax.com&rnum=1).
Thanks for showing us all what a pitiful liar you are.
Euro
(remaining PV verbal diarrhea snipped - gosh, this guy will soon die of
verbal dysentry)
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:nqh6bv8ocm0vc6bau...@4ax.com...
Do you know the difference between a subject and a predicate? If you did,
you would make a difference between "executions are legal murders" and
"murders are legal".
But the truth is that your bad faith makes you appear like a stupid moron.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:gm64bv809a61am10n...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 1 May 2003 10:59:48 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >??????:8hruav883pg0rbabv...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:11:29 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >(snipped)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >and occasionally call another poster a
>> >> >zoophile by stressing he meant this to be an insult.
>> >> >
>> >> Actually, I have never used that particular word (zoophile) in my
>> >> ENTIRE posting history. You should be more precise in your
>> >> comments.
>> >
>> >You did write that, a few days ago?
>> >"Your seeing what you saw, is a clear manifestation of your repressed
>desire
>> >for bestial intercourse."
>> >
>> You silly shit... I remember exactly what I said.. and I did NOT
>> use the word "zoophile." You have said I "occasionally call
>> another poster a zoophile" And that is simply a lie
>
>What you said was exactly the same,
Have you lost all of your sanity? If it was EXACTLY the
same... it would be THE WORD. Do you KNOW what
EXACTLY means? EXACTLY -- "In a perfect manner, perfectly;
to a perfect degree, to perfection; completely"
> even though you didn't use the word.
Thank you... then it wasn't EXACTLY the same. And you are proven
to deceptively again be trying to extract yourself from another of your
stupendously stupid accusations.
> The
>truth is that you're just too cowardly to draw the consequences of what you
>wrote.
>
The truth is you are just too cowardy to admit that you were WRONG,
and continue to be wrong.
>Check out:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=PV+Rorschach+Inkblot&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe
>=UTF-8&selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax.com&rnum=1
>
>I repeat your words:
>"Have you ever heard of the Rorschach Inkblot psychological
>personality test? Your seeing what you saw, is a clear
>manifestation of your repressed desire for bestial intercourse."
>
>If you didn't mean zoophile, then what did you mean?
>
I meant 'bestial intercourse,' which is NOT the word "zoophile." Which
was the entire meaning of my words, when I said "Actually, I have never
used that particular word (zoophile) in my ENTIRE posting history."
My point was that you are an ignorant polyglot, who happened across
my words, and frantically looked for the definition and how you might
find a word that you thought would _impress_ everyone here. And
I caught you out. Can you possibly set aside your miserable inability to
admit you are WRONG, and admit that I have NEVER used that word?
PV
>Euro
>
>
John Rennie
What a stupid attitude to be proud of. I agree with so much of your posts
here and then you make the above ludicrous comment. I suppose it's a
matter of upbringing. When as a child I made an anti-German comment
during the war my father would correct me and make sure that I understood
that I was criticising the Nazis not the Germans. When you say you are
anti-American you are playing the racist card and your are not a racist or
you appear not to be from many of your views expressed here. Criticise
the American political system, it's judiciary and it's police forces by all
means but try to remember that this is the most generous nation on
earth and that if there has to be a super power we are very lucky that
it is America that is that power and not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.
In many ways it is a blind giant smashing it's way through obstacles it
barely understands but one should take some comfort from the fact
that it does not want to export totalitarianism even if it's brand of
democracy suits only itself.
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:0t3cbv833s625ibr1...@4ax.com...
Saying that someone has "a repressed desire for bestial intercourse" is
_exactly_, _perfectly_, _in a perfect manner_, _completely_ equivalent to
saying that they are a zoophile.
You should at least have the courage to accept the consequences of what you
write.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:r7c8bvod28fko2gmp...@4ax.com...
You're an expert in this field, PV. Just like when you accuse others of
"SLURP [sic] ... SLURP [sic] ... SLURP [sic]". That's just what you did
above...
Euro
dirtdog
<j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
<snip>
> When you say you are
>anti-American you are playing the racist card
If we're going to get all technical, John, I should just like to take
this opportunity to say that this is a load of old bollocks. Clearly,
'Americans' are not a race, and so viewing them as inferior is hardly
racist. Xenophobic? Maybe. Jingoistic? Possibly. Racist? Certainly
not.
Clearly, it is important not to overuse the term 'racism', lest it
lose its stigma. Many would believe that racism is the most offensive
type of prejudice because it concerns abusing another due to factors
_completely_ out of their control. This is as distinct from abuse
based upon religion or nationality which are a choice (perhaps to a
lesser extent in respect of the latter) exercised by the actor in
question.
It is a common misconception to confuse religious or nationalist
discrimination with racial discrimination. However, whether you
believe one to be more insidious than the other is of course a choice
for you. Certainly, the law recognises religion or nationality as
being quite distinct from race, given several cases which have been
brought under Employment Legislation where a claimant has alleged
racial discrimination within the workplace based upon their being put
at a disadvantage because of their religion. Most notably, the
instance of a Sikh man sacked for refusing to remove his Turban in an
occupation where it was a hindrance. The court held that the dismissal
was fair and perfectly legal, given that the Race Discrimination Act
proscribed only discrimination based on race. The man's treatment was
based upon his _religion_ and not his race.
Again, the rationale for this was based upon transience. The Asian man
_could_ have removed his Turban. It is often believed that it is worse
to cause another to suffer disadvantage or harassment because of
something over which they have no control. For example, one may be
quite happy to call an overweight man scoffing burgers a 'fat
bastard'. However, one may suddenly feel intense guilt if it
transpired that the man in question has, for example, a thyroid
disorder, and cannot help being obese.
Interestingly enough (given the discussion you and Neville are having
regarding Jewishness - interspersed by some actually rather accurate
ranting from PV, spoiled, of course, by his insane delivery) in the
Sikh case noted above, the claimant relied upon a previous case in
which a man dismissed due to his Jewish faith had his claim upheld.
The Tribunal distinguished this case on the basis that to be Jewish
was both a religion _and_ a race. The case turned on some technicality
which states that one is born a Jew and cannot become a true Jew by
conversion. I can't remember the details, but if you are interested, I
could try to dig it out.
Anyway, I digress. Regardless of discussion regarding the Jewish
faith, there is no way of arguing that Americans are a race. I could
therefore quite easily claim that 'all Yanks are fat, arrogant, thick,
untrustworthy wankers' and not be the least bit racist.
<otherwise quite accurate distinction between mindless abuse and
legitimate criticism snipped>
w00f
John Rennie
"dirtdog" <dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message
news:jq0dbv40qh9hp5s33...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 May 2003 10:25:32 +0100, "John Rennie"
> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > When you say you are
> >anti-American you are playing the racist card
>
> If we're going to get all technical, John, I should just like to take
> this opportunity to say that this is a load of old bollocks. Clearly,
> 'Americans' are not a race,
When does a race become a race, doggie?
dirtdog
<j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"dirtdog" <dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message
>news:jq0dbv40qh9hp5s33...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 5 May 2003 10:25:32 +0100, "John Rennie"
>> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > When you say you are
>> >anti-American you are playing the racist card
>>
>> If we're going to get all technical, John, I should just like to take
>> this opportunity to say that this is a load of old bollocks. Clearly,
>> 'Americans' are not a race,
>
>When does a race become a race, doggie?
>
When its members are defined by physical or genetic characteristics
over which they have no control, John. One cannot change from being a
member of the negroid or caucasoid race by, for example, bleaching
one's skin. One can change from being American by renouncing
citizenship.
If you would like to claim that Americans have distinct physical or
genetic characteristics, feel free.
w00f
JIGSAW1695
Date: 5/5/2003 12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <DHwta.730$XQ4...@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>
===============================
When the starting bell goes off and the stall gates open???
French Ribbon Clerk
<dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote:
> > When you say you are
> >anti-American you are playing the racist card
> If we're going to get all technical, John, I should just like to take
> this opportunity to say that this is a load of old bollocks. Clearly,
> 'Americans' are not a race, and so viewing them as inferior is hardly
> racist. Xenophobic? Maybe. Jingoistic? Possibly. Racist? Certainly
> not.
I'm not sure I agree. Whilst the word 'racism' is _prima facie_
reserved for actions discriminating against a person based on his
ethnic origin (cf. 'race'), _Fowler's_ allows for the use of the term
to denote discrimination based on 'colour, religion or nationality'.
As persons of different races can (and often do) share common bonds in
religion or nationality, I believe that the term 'racism' (or its
'ancestor' which I still prefer, 'racialism') is satisfactory in this
context.
This one was played out quite extensively on news:rec.travel.europe
just before the United States' criminal war of aggression against the
Iraqi people. The immature attacks by dumbfuck 'Americans' (sic) like
SFB and Drewl-Boy, were defended by equally dumbfuck 'Americans' (sic)
like FuckWit and Sharpjfa as 'not being racist', because the French
are a nationality, not a race.
{ snip }
> Interestingly enough (given the discussion you and Neville are having
> regarding Jewishness - interspersed by some actually rather accurate
> ranting from PV, spoiled, of course, by his insane delivery) in the
> Sikh case noted above, the claimant relied upon a previous case in
> which a man dismissed due to his Jewish faith had his claim upheld.
> The Tribunal distinguished this case on the basis that to be Jewish
> was both a religion _and_ a race. The case turned on some technicality
> which states that one is born a Jew and cannot become a true Jew by
> conversion. I can't remember the details, but if you are interested, I
> could try to dig it out.
'True' (sic) Jewishness is passed from mother to child, and there is
certainly a school of Orthodox Jewry that considers the proselyte as
somehow 'less Jewish' than the Jew born into the religion. The Talmud
is clear in its condemnation of such discrimination, but as the
Orthodox Jews have enough influence in Israel at the moment, the law
there limits official conversions to those carried out by Orthodox
rabbis.
> Anyway, I digress. Regardless of discussion regarding the Jewish
> faith, there is no way of arguing that Americans are a race. I could
> therefore quite easily claim that 'all Yanks are fat, arrogant, thick,
> untrustworthy wankers' and not be the least bit racist.
'realistic' ?
{ snip }
---
Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
French Ribbon Clerk (FRC)
Yamaha YZF-R1
url:http://www.fruffrant.com/gimmicks/
Honest Nev
<snip>
I understood that here in Blighty we endure the 'Race Relations Act
1976', in which Jews and Sikhs are entitled to protection from
discrimination; whereas Rastafarians and Muslims are not entitled.
(But then, if the laws made sense we wouldn't need lawyers, eh? :-) )
Apparently (in the case of Muslims at least) this is 'justified' on
the grounds that "followers can be found all over the world and are
not therefore defined by their descent from a common geographical
origin. Thus, there are white Muslim converts, African Muslims,
Bosnian Muslims etc." [1]
This distinction in mind, I must ask you: in English Law, what is the
'Jewish phenotype'?
Would the Falash Mura [2] be classed as 'ethnic Jews' (under English
Law)?
> Anyway, I digress. Regardless of discussion regarding the Jewish
> faith, there is no way of arguing that Americans are a race. I could
> therefore quite easily claim that 'all Yanks are fat, arrogant, thick,
> untrustworthy wankers' and not be the least bit racist.
Why, certainly, but (bearing in mind the aforementioned Act), could
you say the same about Sikhs?
> <otherwise quite accurate distinction between mindless abuse and
> legitimate criticism snipped>
>
> w00f
Yrs,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
P.s. whilst digging around for the 1976 Act I came across:
"... PC Paul Thomas (a convert to Judaism) was recently allowed to
take action under the Race Relations Act 1976 as a Jew against the
antisemitism he suffered at work (he went on to win his case)." [3]
How does that work?
[1] http://www.equalitydirect.org.uk/chap5/c5_fut3.htm
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/706941.stm
[3] http://www.messianic-racism.mcmail.com/mr/rac/two.htm
dirtdog
wrote:
<inaccurate recollection of Tejani case and reference to non-existent
act snipped>
>I understood that here in Blighty we endure the 'Race Relations Act
>1976', in which Jews and Sikhs are entitled to protection from
>discrimination; whereas Rastafarians and Muslims are not entitled.
>
>(But then, if the laws made sense we wouldn't need lawyers, eh? :-) )
Well done, Neville, you have spotted the 'deliberate mistake' as I
probed to see if anyone in the group would notice if I meandered off
into talking complete bollocks during a session of legal showboating.
Of course, I got the facts of the case in question (Tejani v
Peterborough Superintendant Registraar) arse about tit. In fact, the
Sikh's claim was upheld as Sikhs were classed as being an 'ethnic
origin', rather than a religion (the latter not being covered by the
scope of the Act).
You are indeed quite correct. Because the Sikh or Jewish identity is
defined by more than religion alone, they constitute an ethnic group.
How this fitted into my point to John was that racism is a very narrow
category of discrimination. The Act proscribes discrimination based
upon colour, race, nationality or ethnic origin
All four categories are quite distinct, and to bring a claim, one must
decide which type of discrimination one alleges. Clearly, a man sacked
because he was born in America would claim unfair dismissal based upon
discrimination as to national origin, not race.
In stating that we 'endure' the Act, you seem to imply disapproval. Do
you believe that a person who follows rastafarianism should be
protected from dismissal for smoking skunk at work? Do you think that
employment law should protect religion at all? Surely, given that
religion is a choice, it is less egregious to discriminate against
those who make that choice than it is to discriminate against those
who are, for example, born into the negroid race. The Act is in fact
remarkably generous to those who wish to bring a claim, and some may
see the provisions proscribing 'indirect discrimination' as downright
draconian.
>Apparently (in the case of Muslims at least) this is 'justified' on
>the grounds that "followers can be found all over the world and are
>not therefore defined by their descent from a common geographical
>origin. Thus, there are white Muslim converts, African Muslims,
>Bosnian Muslims etc." [1]
And I agree with this. There is clearly no Muslim 'race', 'national
origin' or 'colour'. A person has the choice in England of being a
Muslim or not being a Muslim. It is 'only' a religion.
>This distinction in mind, I must ask you: in English Law, what is the
>'Jewish phenotype'?
>
>Would the Falash Mura [2] be classed as 'ethnic Jews' (under English
>Law)?
>
I don't fucking know. I'll see if I can track down the case on Lexis
(waves at Dan) tomorrow for you.
>> Anyway, I digress. Regardless of discussion regarding the Jewish
>> faith, there is no way of arguing that Americans are a race. I could
>> therefore quite easily claim that 'all Yanks are fat, arrogant, thick,
>> untrustworthy wankers' and not be the least bit racist.
>
>Why, certainly, but (bearing in mind the aforementioned Act), could
>you say the same about Sikhs?
Indeed I could. But the Act is not based purely on race.. It also
proscribes discrimination based upon 'ethnic origin', which covers
Sikhs.
>> <otherwise quite accurate distinction between mindless abuse and
>> legitimate criticism snipped>
>>
>> w00f
>
>Yrs,
> Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
>
>P.s. whilst digging around for the 1976 Act I came across:
>
>"... PC Paul Thomas (a convert to Judaism) was recently allowed to
>take action under the Race Relations Act 1976 as a Jew against the
>antisemitism he suffered at work (he went on to win his case)." [3]
>
>How does that work?
Again, I don't know. It could be a load of bollocks, it could be an
anomaly based upon the precedent classifying Jews as a race. Get me
the case name and I'll look for it. While we're at it, neither do I
know why the law sees fit to outlaw discrimination based upon
nationality but not religion - both characteristics being (in theory)
within the actors control.
<snip links>
w00f
A Planet Visitor
>On Mon, 5 May 2003 17:53:19 +0100, "John Rennie"
><j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"dirtdog" <dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com> wrote in message
>>news:jq0dbv40qh9hp5s33...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 5 May 2003 10:25:32 +0100, "John Rennie"
>>> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> > When you say you are
>>> >anti-American you are playing the racist card
>>>
>>> If we're going to get all technical, John, I should just like to take
>>> this opportunity to say that this is a load of old bollocks. Clearly,
>>> 'Americans' are not a race,
>>
>>When does a race become a race, doggie?
>>
>
>When its members are defined by physical or genetic characteristics
>over which they have no control, John.
ROTFLMAO... "physical ... characteristics over which they
have no control" What a huge stinking load of manure... I
would suppose that all who are crippled in their right leg over
which they have no control, are a _race_. Jesus... but you
are clumsy in your wording for a presumed lawyer. Oops,
I mean _article clerk_.
> One cannot change from being a
>member of the negroid or caucasoid race by, for example, bleaching
>one's skin.
Again... cajun voodoo rubbish. There are many variations on the
definition of _race_, and much depends upon how one uses it. Do
you believe Italian is a _race_? Quite readily, according to the
definition it could well be. Since Italians are connected by a
common descent or origin. Certainly one from a long line of ethnic
Italians unbroken for many years can easily be seen as different
from one coming from a long line of ethnic Norwegians unbroken
for many years. Even more easily seen as different than might be
a dark-skinned Latin, and a light-skinned Black.
While, of course, most make the distinction that you do, that there
are only a very limited number of races, which must conform to the
various labels that are attached to skin colors, and must be readily
physically distinguishable by such skin color, because it is easier.
Such grouping are usually done more as a matter of expediency,
so data can be assembled through having a smaller number of
types of races to deal with in even primitive older use of statistical
analysis. Rather than needing a more unwieldy class for every ethnic
stock.
Believe it or not, some feel there is an undercurrent of racism to
the use of such methods, since the idea of race is rather artificial
in respect to our species. I don't agree with that, but I simply
mention that some do. Some refuse on principle to enter "race"
when on a questionnaire form. I understand that when the
taxonomy linage of the animal kingdom was first developed,
some wanted to break down Genus = Homo, and
Species = Sapiens even further into the various races by skin
color. This was almost immediately recognized, even so long
ago, as implied racism. Although the identification of various
races by sight, in certain senses is rather obvious. As it is
obvious that it serves various purposes, quite distinct from
racism, having a practical use of identification.
Whether ethnic can mean the race of a person, depends a lot on
how one wishes to define it, and not much more. Since there is,
of course, the most broad application -- the human race. In
fact, the words _ethnic_ and _race_ have so many similarities
that the definitions rather overlap in some parts of those
definitions... with _ethnic_ even defined as "pertaining to race"
in part of the definition in the OED, and _race_ even defined
as "A group of several tribes or peoples, regarded as forming
a distinct ethnical stock," in part of that definition in the OED.
See --
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20race,%20n_2.htm
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/OED%20Online%20-%20ethnic,%20a_%20and%20n.htm
What I'm saying is this argument could last forever, because
of the lack of absolutely clear definitions.
Now, when it comes to the law... it sometimes even depends on
various findings or rulings on specific cases, which are then often
used as cites when making new law or providing references for
rulings. But check with your lawyer friends the next time they
visit the "jonny," and get back to us on that, dirt. Throw in
a few mens reas while you're at it.
> One can change from being American by renouncing
>citizenship.
>
No shit, Sherlock. Did you learn that in _lawyer school_?
What citizenship do they then change to? Stateless?
Refugee? Atheist?
>If you would like to claim that Americans have distinct physical or
>genetic characteristics, feel free.
If you are speaking of Native Americans, it is quite easy to
do so. However, given the fact that non-Native Americans
have immigrated to the U.S. in such a short time span, their
ethnic origins have not been sufficiently diluted to have
disappeared. American is an admitted nation of immigrants,
with probably 95% able to trace their roots to another
nation, and the other 5% ready to tell you to go to hell,
'cause they just don't care.
Why do I always feel like I'm the teacher.... trying to beat some
sense into a group of ignorant children? Oh... yeah... because I
am... and they are.
PV
>w00f
John Rennie
How then would you define 'anti-American'? If it isn't racism, what
is it?
Euro
"dirtdog" <dirtdogF...@fruffrant.com>
??????:kb6dbvkokafqo1qge...@4ax.com...
In other terms, when one claims that the French are "cheese-eating
surrending monkeys", that is racist. At that time, I remember I pointed that
out. I was quite alone in so doing.
Without giving in such excesses, I shall however keep my freedom to
criticize the US as a country, or the Bush administration as a government,
regardless of the "anti-American" label some hypocrites will like to stick
on me. As I said it before, if criticizing the US means being an
anti-American, then, yes, I am an anti-American. At times, I'm also an
anti-French, an anti-British, an anti-German, an anti-Swiss, an
anti-Australian or an anti-deathie. Among plenty of "anti's".
Euro
Euro
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
??????:u1Lta.148$sZ4....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
Anti-Americanism is a convenient label PV has been using extensively lately.
Each one who uses should be able to give a definition.
I notice, however, that this label is being put on all those who criticize
the US, even in moderate terms. Likewise, it has occurred that those who
criticize Israel and its policy have been labelled as "anti-semits" even
though their comments or criticisms had no racist feature.
Putting such labels, while being a convenient way to prevent any criticism
from being expressed, is actually dangerous as it ends up trivializing
racism. By calling everything racism, one loses the possibility to use this
word when it is accurate.
Euro
John Rennie
How can it ever be accurate?
A Planet Visitor
"Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3eb7c32d$1...@news.meganetnews.com...
Proving one thing for sure, euro... you ain't anti-Bigot. Admittedly so.
PV
> Euro
>
>
French Ribbon Clerk
<j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
{ snip }
> How then would you define 'anti-American'? If it isn't racism, what
> is it?
Common sense.
Dolly Coughlan Jr
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As Desi lies, the archive grows!
Dolly Coughlan Jr
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Honest Nev
<snip>
> You are indeed quite correct. Because the Sikh or Jewish identity is
> defined by more than religion alone, they constitute an ethnic group.
Do Liverpudlians constitute an 'ethnic group'? Could one bring case if
an evil Mancunian Mill-owner dismissed him for being 'Scouse'? I'm not
being facetious: I think they qualify as a group with 'a long shared
history and a cultural tradition'.
> How this fitted into my point to John was that racism is a very narrow
> category of discrimination. The Act proscribes discrimination based
> upon colour, race, nationality or ethnic origin
>
> All four categories are quite distinct, and to bring a claim, one must
> decide which type of discrimination one alleges. Clearly, a man sacked
> because he was born in America would claim unfair dismissal based upon
> discrimination as to national origin, not race.
>
> In stating that we 'endure' the Act, you seem to imply disapproval. Do
> you believe that a person who follows rastafarianism should be
> protected from dismissal for smoking skunk at work?
No.
I should think it would be very difficult to show discrimination: most
people would get their cards for turning up smashed on booze [1], let
alone partaking of anything currently prohibited; many are forbidden
to even smoke _cigerettes_ whilst 'on duty'.
That said (and here I go slighly off-topic) I do find it odd that a
Sikh is exempt from wearing a crash-helmet, an act that could have
very serious consequences indeed, and yet a Rastafarian is not allowed
to smoke dope (which is, after all, a harmless enough activity).
My position is that no dispensation should be given on account of
religion.
Let everybody tek their drugs of choice is what I say!
> Do you think that employment law should protect religion at all?
On balance... no.
> Surely, given that religion is a choice, it is less egregious to discriminate > against those who make that choice than it is to discriminate against those
> who are, for example, born into the negroid race. The Act is in fact
> remarkably generous to those who wish to bring a claim, and some may
> see the provisions proscribing 'indirect discrimination' as downright
> draconian.
>
> >Apparently (in the case of Muslims at least) this is 'justified' on
> >the grounds that "followers can be found all over the world and are
> >not therefore defined by their descent from a common geographical
> >origin. Thus, there are white Muslim converts, African Muslims,
> >Bosnian Muslims etc." [1]
>
> And I agree with this. There is clearly no Muslim 'race', 'national
> origin' or 'colour'. A person has the choice in England of being a
> Muslim or not being a Muslim. It is 'only' a religion.
I would say that this applies to all four religions mentioned so far.
<snip>
> >P.s. whilst digging around for the 1976 Act I came across:
> >
> >"... PC Paul Thomas (a convert to Judaism) was recently allowed to
> >take action under the Race Relations Act 1976 as a Jew against the
> >antisemitism he suffered at work (he went on to win his case)." [3]
> >
> >How does that work?
>
> Again, I don't know. It could be a load of bollocks, it could be an
> anomaly based upon the precedent classifying Jews as a race.
Are Jews classed as a 'race' then, and not an 'ethnic group'?
I'm not sure, but I suspect it's something to do with:
Mandla v Dowell Lee (1983) 2 AC 548 (?)
In which: "Finally, according to "Mandla" a person can fall into a
particular "racial group" either by birth or adherence." [2]
Does that make sense to you? It seems a bit... daft.
> Get me the case name and I'll look for it.
All I can find is the above plus the date '1995'.
<snip>
Yrs,
Neville FitzHerbert, esq.
[1] or even less than sober, for that matter.
[2] http://www.messianic-racism.mcmail.com/mr/uk/rra76.htm
Under the heading: 'Defining "ethnic group" for the "1976 Act"'.
The bit about 'PC Paul Thomas' is at the bottom of the page.
A Planet Visitor
>On Mon, 5 May 2003 10:25:32 +0100, "John Rennie"
><j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> When you say you are
>>anti-American you are playing the racist card
>
>If we're going to get all technical, John, I should just like to take
>this opportunity to say that this is a load of old bollocks. Clearly,
>'Americans' are not a race, and so viewing them as inferior is hardly
>racist. Xenophobic? Maybe. Jingoistic? Possibly. Racist? Certainly
>not.
>
I'd have to agree. Except that "bigot" and "xenophobe" are
probably interchangable at expressing it best. jingoistic... no... that's
more a use of bragging about one's OWN nation, rather than
directing an insult to another nation. desi uses it about every
third post of his. Racist? For the U.S.in respect to any
anti-American sentiment... no way... unless it was specifically
directed toward a particular race of Americans. Certainly desi
well knows how to provide racist insults toward Black Americans...
as you do as well... where you have often demonstrated your
ignorance concerning what is a racist insult cast at a Black American.
Throwing them around with disgusting abandon and laughing when
you do. But that's water under the bridge I would hope since it's
been awhile... and I am of a forgiving nature.
<interesting, but not quite accurate accounting by dirtdog trying
to show-off clipped>
>
>Anyway, I digress. Regardless of discussion regarding the Jewish
>faith, there is no way of arguing that Americans are a race. I could
>therefore quite easily claim that 'all Yanks are fat, arrogant, thick,
>untrustworthy wankers' and not be the least bit racist.
>
Not only could you... you did. Which says more about you than
I really care to know. Or would you claim yours is not an
anti-American raving?
PV
>
>w00f
A Planet Visitor
No... you silly twit... it's a brand-new undiscovering OF A TRUTH. And
you've been a great contributor to now making it that truth. And if I
haven't already done so... thank you for your help.
>Because I can tell you something I already wrote: if criticizing the US when
>it so deserves means being anti-American, then yes, I am an anti-American
>and I am proud to be. I can even warn you that I will prove myself as an
>anti-American every time I deem it justified.
>
Tell me something I don't know. There is no question that bigotry
is part and parcel of every comment you provide here. Jesus, euro...
you're even bigoted against slaves. Finding millions of them no better
than 849 proven murderers.
>Likewise, I am proud to receive insults from you if it is the price to pay
>when one doesn't agree with "Her Highness" PV.
>
LOL... I expect that you believe you are providing some sort of an
_insult_ there. But it could not be more pathetic. I presume now
your homophobia is coming forth... and you intend to call me a
gay, presuming it's some sort of _insult_. Kindergarten stuff, euro.
Kindergarten stuff.
>> >Poor PV... You should consult a psychiatrist.
>>
>> Sounds as if you're the one becoming a bit hysterical.
>
>Now, I'm condescending, which is already quite a generous feeling regarding
>your personality.
What do you mean "Now"? When have you ever NOT been?
You've become the most arrogant, condescending prick in AADP
in the past month. And I see that my therapy has not affected
you one bit. As I said some time again --- What is missing in your
life -- is a good spanking from your Dad... who has failed you
miserably.
>
>Euro
<pathetic whining from euro clipped>
PV
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:6o98bvo722u7vk91j...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 May 2003 09:55:55 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Excuse me, Euro, but 'legal murder' is what I call a stupid
>> >> oxymoron.
>> >
>> >It is your perfect right to do so, but it is my perfect right to keep
>using
>> >it whenever I feel like it. It is also my perfect right to feel outraged
>> >whenever someone else tries to twist this expression and make believe
>that I
>> >said something else than I really did.
>> >
>> No one is twisting your expression, euro. You admit that you've said
>> "executions are legal murder." For one of a number of examples
>> of you using those words see --
>> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e6f4cb0%241_7%40news.meganetnews.com
>>
>> That IS what you said... and NOT something else.
>
>Exactly. So, contrary to what you wrote, I never defined murder as being
>legal.
What???? Using the phrase "legal murder" IS defining murder as legal.
Just as saying "Fat Woman" IS defining that woman as FAT. You stupid...
stupid....stupid... little twit.
>(refer to:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=hypcritically+group:alt.activism.death-pen
>alty&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.activism.death-penalty&selm=3jooavgaung9d9
>buacbuaqbf3gm0k2dumq%404ax.com&rnum=1).
You're so dumb you don't even know how to post a URL that isn't three lines
long. Try --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3jooavgaung9d9buacbuaqbf3gm0k2dumq%404ax.com
Which is the comment of mine you attempt to provide and in no way demonstrates
that you have not defined "murder" as "legal."
>Thanks for showing us all what a pitiful liar you are.
>
Those words fall so easily from your pen... but they are only a pathetic
attempt to hide from your own PROVEN lies, sport. Denial is your
middle name.
>Euro
>(remaining PV verbal diarrhea snipped - gosh, this guy will soon die of
>verbal dysentry)
Never.. never... have I seen a poster here more in need of a spanking,
than euro. Nothing else will ever break through that facade of childish
ignorance he has erected in AADP.
>
A Planet Visitor
ROTFLMAO... Do you know what an adjective is?
>But the truth is that my bad faith makes me appear like a stupid moron.
I could not agree more.
PV
>
>Euro
>
John Rennie
>
> "John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
> ??????:kXPta.5099$Ei2.1...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
>
> Euro
>
>
When is it accurate to use the term anti-American?
How can it ever be accurate to denigrate a whole people?