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Subject: Ping Porno Bill Jillians Re: Lies, lies, lies, yeah.....
(they're gonna
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Graeme Bell wrote:
>
> In message <0u88lDATKkqzE...@ratcake.demon.co.uk>
> Bill Jillians <b...@ratcake.demon.co._DELETE_THIS_BIT_uk> writes:
>
> Bill - I'm afraid that /you/ are the one whose memory is in error.
Nine years on, Billy's memory is still no better.
Ditto his behavior, tactics, accusations...
> All newsposts referred to in this article have been placed at the bottom
> of this post to avoid any confusion.
Thank you, Graeme (albeit very belatedly).
> My comments to you have extended to the depths of pointing out that one
> of your attacks on another member of this newsgroup was immature.
So Porno Bill 'attacted' people on UAC, huh? Well, well; what is that
steaming mound
I see from up Newcastle way?
<snicker>
> I feel this was correct, considering the nature of the original post.
> If you want, I will happily repost the original article back into
> this newsgroup
> for your potential customers to view and judge for themselves.
> Please inform me in public if you would like this to be done or not,
> if you feel that the comments on the post were undeserved.
> ---------
> I then further sunk to the grimy depths of commenting on the fact that
> you appeared to be overcharging by 8 times on the going rate on some
> items. My basis? I have been told that you were charging 12 pounds for
> a 286 motherboard. Now , the going rate for these is a pound. I would
> happily accept 1.50 + postage for the two motherboards I have myself
> if anyone is interested.
> From this , 12 / 1.50 = 8.
> So /that/ comment was correct as well.
> If you wish to disagree with this, please do ,and in public.
Hmmm... Graeme seemed to have you nailed pretty well there, Porno
Bill...
> ---------
> Finally, you claim that
>
> > You stated that my memory was in error when you said that the post from
> > alt.incest.whatever had been posted in this newsgroup.
>
> however, as I have never drawn comment on any posts you have made to
> whichever other 'personal' newsgroups you are subscribed to, I fail to
> see the basis for this comment.
>
> When I commented on you posting a message propositioning 17 year old males,
Why, Bill! Did you do that?
> I was of course referring to when you asked /me/ in /this newsgroup/
> to : [see bottom]
>
> > Bill Jillians (b...@ratcake.demon.co._DELETE_THIS_BIT_uk) wrote:
> > : Graeme,
> > : Put your teenage mouth around my d*ck and have a real good s*ck.
Looks like you did do that. Uh oh...
> As I am male, this would make you homosexual.
>
> As I am under 18 , and the legal limit for homosexual sex is 18 ,
> this makes you a paedophile.
Uh oh! Call your lawyers, Bill Jillians. Someone called you a pedo on
Usenet!
<snicker>
> As I obviously am not interested, and this is /not/ the sort of newsgroup
> where such propositions should be made, this makes you an obsessed pervert.
Porno Bill, are you "sorry you feel the need to be here" now?
*laughs*
> ---------
> If you wish to question my logic on any of these counts, please do so ,
> in public. Note I have not needed to bring into this the fact that you,
> or someone using your account, posted an interesting message to
> alt.sex.incest....[see bottom] .
Care to explain this, Mr Bill Jillians?
>Please note , everyone, that the person who
> posted that message claimed to be an older man with the pseudonym
>
> "Marjorie Proops"
Marjorie Proops? Oh... my... God...
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> I would request that in future you try and refrain from ridiculing yourself
> in this manner, as I feel you are not going to bring any extra business
> forth from this kind of behaviour.
>
> Again , perhaps my logic is flawed as I am only 17 , so please, bring forth
> any questions you have and put them in this newsgroup.
I dunno Graeme; your efforts here remind me of when another nutter got
very offended
when a 15 year old female victim of sexual assult kicked his Usenet
butt. He claims
to be a 60 year old man. He then had to stalk and out her for
revenge...
Funny thing is: this loon one of Porno Bill's latter day ... uh,
'accociates' --
well, that was the word Billy himself used to describe this guy...
<snicker>
> I would suggest that your memory is in error ,as I have quoted as necessary
> from your original posts, and if necessary will provide headers and
> message id's to support the use of these quotes as evidence of
> your curious sexual attentions towards young men.
Oh boy. (*Not* to be taken literally!)
> Please, enlighten us all as to what the "<something>" is you refer to
> in your post below. I shall finish by saying that Bill has contacted me
> further by email reg. the s*ck my d*ck post, and it was /not/ by
> any means to apologize. I leave the rest to the readers own judgement.
Care to explain it, Bill Jillians?
> Incidentally, this newsgroup is available to under 16's and I, and
> many other people would prefer if you refrain from using expletives such
> as you have in other posts. Their use is most unprofessional, and I personally
> feel you will find it ultimately unconducive to business.
>
> Please make all responses to this post in public. Any emails that are sent to
> me shall be assumed to be sent on the basis that you wish me to post them in
> public. I , once again , shall leave the readers of this newsgroup to judge the
> quality of your responses for themselves, and allow them to come to their
> own conclusions.
>
> To quote one of your polite comments, "Good Day Sir!"
Funny; that's how Billy signs his balsa gavel kookmails...
http://www.geocities.com/ko0kmail/pornobj-kookmail.jpg
> PS. I don't take kindly to being called a "Fuckwit" [see bottom].
> Please refrain from using this particular expletive in this newsgroup,
> esp. since you appear to have taken up the habit of sending
> multiple meaningless replies to posts you don't like in this newsgroup.
Graeme, wherever you are now:
You are to be commended for your wonderful, extensive, logical SPNAK
on Jillians.
Thank you for leaving this masterpiece on record, as well as Mr.
Jillians' "posts",
as shown below with headers.
And Porno Bill:
I think this is enough education for alt.suicide.holiday about you...
for now.
Don't you?
Meantime: we'll be waiting to hear from your lawyers. Show 'em what's
below first.
<snicker>
> ---------------REPLYING TO :
>
> > Mr. Bell.....
>
> > You stated that my memory was in error when you said that the post from
> > alt.incest.whatever had been posted in this newsgroup.
>
> > I maintain that it has not been and the fact that nobody has seen fit to
> > repost it here as of late rather proves my point.
>
> > When you said my memory was wrong you tarnished yourself as a
> > <something> by implication.
>
> > If the offending article is not submitted to me or the newsgroup by noon
> > on Tuesday 24th June I shall give a name to the <something> that I
> > mention above and I'm sure that pretty much everyone knows what that
> > word will be !!!!
>
> > Good Day Sir !
> >
>
> -------------------FORWARD :
>
> Subject: Re: 19 year old boy looking for mature lady in UK.
> From: Bill Jillians <b...@ratcake.demon.co.uk>
> Date: 1997/05/05
> Message-Id: <pvtr1jATflbzE...@ratcake.demon.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.incest,alt.sex.intergen,uk.adverts.personals
> [More Headers]
>
> In the epistle <662.7062T727T1...@hotmail.com>, Paul
> <Tank...@hotmail.com> expressed themselves to be of the opinion that :-
> >Hi,
> >I'm a straight, cute, young looking 19 year old boy living the the S.E.
> of
> >England, have had very little sexual experience and would like to
> chat/meet with
> >an older woman (age/nationality not important) to serve as her toyboy.
> I will
> >do anything you ask and allow you to use me to pleasure yourself.
> >
> >I can travel but idealy would like to chat mail/phone first.
> >
> >Hope to hear from you soon .. Paul
> >
> >
> Paul - a couple of hint from an older man...
>
> (1) Sex isn't everything its cracked out to be, but if you don't get it
> started on the right foot - IT WILL BE NASTY.
>
> (2) If you are gonna post in alt.sex.incest I hope you realise that
> your mother may be the person to take you up on your offer.
>
> (3) If you are going to be a Toyboy (and God know's I've tried to talk
> you out of it) you want the woman to bloody pick YOU up from YOUR home.
> If you're gonna be a poodle you'd better screw everything you can out of
> the situation (like drinks, rides, dinners and maybe clothes).
>
> Marjorie Proops E-mail: b...@ratcake.demon.co.uk
> Web: http://www.ratcake.demon.co.uk
>
> -----------------------FORWARD :
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> on.co.uk!ratcake.demon.co.uk!bill
> From: YA GOT *THE* SIG ! <b...@your.tiny.brain>
> Newsgroups: uk.adverts.computer
> Subject: Re: Lies, lies, lies, yeah.....(they're gonna get you)!
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:25:53 +0100
> Organization: Huge Disrespect.
> Distribution: world
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> <11gMjkAuCvpzE...@ratcake.demon.co.uk> <1997061813453873...@zetnet.co.uk>
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>
> Lets hope the abuse mailbox for Graeme Bell <grae...@zetnet.co.uk>
> doesn't get to learn of message <1997061813453873...@zetnet.co.uk>
>
> Fuckwit Graeme Bell from uttered the following slime from his filthy
> mouth into uk.adverts.computer .....
>
> >In message <11gMjkAuCvpzE...@ratcake.demon.co.uk>
> > Bill Jillians <b...@ratcake.demon.co._DELETE_THIS_BIT_uk> writes:
> >
> >
> >> You have also stated in print that I ask 17 year old boys for sex.
> >> Please prove this statement as well.
> >
> >Forgotten already have you Bill?
> >
> >Someone please post the article in the group again , I'd rather not
> >go near it if you don't mind.
> >
> >Graeme.
> >
>
> HERE IS THE SIG THAT YOU SO BADLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT !!! (It's name is
> Hatelie.sig)
>
> --
> "It's so easy to lie, its so easy to hate, it takes guts to be gentle
> and kind." I Know its Over - The Smiths
>
> The Hated Liar cursed with the name "Bill Jillians".
>
> Warning to Spammers: My address is Spam Protected....you'd better
> learn how to use your editor in order to nail me !
>
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> co.uk!ratcake.demon.co.uk!bill
> From: Bill Jillians <b...@ratcake.demon.co._DELETE_THIS_BIT_uk>
> Newsgroups: uk.adverts.computer
> Subject: Re: HEY - COOK, CRAIG ! If you think things are bad just read
> this one !!!
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:26:33 +0100
> Organization: W.J.Jillians
> Distribution: world
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>
> In bring and buy advert <1997060221114673...@zetnet.co.uk>, punter
> Graeme Bell <grae...@zetnet.co.uk> wants to buy or sell the following:-
> >Bill , I don't know you personally, but this post must rate as the
> >most immature I've read for several months.
> >
> >Quite frankly, I'm surprised you can find a lawyer who'll take you
> seriously.
> >
> >This posts shows complete juvenility , and immaturity, and if you're
> >even a tenth of the professional you think you are, you'll post an
> >apology for this to the people you have insulted with it.
> >
> >Graeme.
> >
>
> Graeme,
>
> Put your teenage mouth around my d*ck and have a real good s*ck.
>
> Bill Jillians
>
> --
> WARNING: Anti-Spamming in effect - Remove _DELETE_THIS_BIT_ from
> address!
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill Jillians..Private Computer Programmer/Hardware Consultant
> Our Motto: Tough on Steven Craig, tough on the causes of Steven Craig
> Email: b...@ratcake.demon.co.uk Based in Newcastle-u-Tyne,UK.
> Web: http://www.ratcake.demon.co.uk
> --------------------------------------------------------------
[followups set properly]
> > All newsposts referred to in this article have been placed at the bottom
> > of this post to avoid any confusion.
<snipped>
>
> > My comments to you have extended to the depths of pointing out that one
> > of your attacks on another member of this newsgroup was immature.
>
<snipped>
>
> > I feel this was correct, considering the nature of the original post.
> > If you want, I will happily repost the original article back into
> > this newsgroup
> > for your potential customers to view and judge for themselves.
> > Please inform me in public if you would like this to be done or not,
> > if you feel that the comments on the post were undeserved.
> > ---------
> > I then further sunk to the grimy depths of commenting on the fact that
> > you appeared to be overcharging by 8 times on the going rate on some
> > items. My basis? I have been told that you were charging 12 pounds for
> > a 286 motherboard. Now , the going rate for these is a pound. I would
> > happily accept 1.50 + postage for the two motherboards I have myself
> > if anyone is interested.
> > From this , 12 / 1.50 = 8.
> > So /that/ comment was correct as well.
> > If you wish to disagree with this, please do ,and in public.
>
<snipped>
>
> > ---------
> > Finally, you claim that
>
> > > You stated that my memory was in error when you said that the post from
> > > alt.incest.whatever had been posted in this newsgroup.
>
> > however, as I have never drawn comment on any posts you have made to
> > whichever other 'personal' newsgroups you are subscribed to, I fail to
> > see the basis for this comment.
>
> > When I commented on you posting a message propositioning 17 year old males,
>
<snipped>
>
> > I was of course referring to when you asked /me/ in /this newsgroup/
> > to : [see bottom]
>
> > > Bill Jillians (b...@ratcake.demon.co._DELETE_THIS_BIT_uk) wrote:
> > > : Graeme,
> > > : Put your teenage mouth around my d*ck and have a real good s*ck.
>
<snipped>
>
> > As I am male, this would make you homosexual.
>
> > As I am under 18 , and the legal limit for homosexual sex is 18 ,
> > this makes you a paedophile.
>
<snipped>
>
> > As I obviously am not interested, and this is /not/ the sort of newsgroup
> > where such propositions should be made, this makes you an obsessed pervert.
>
<snipped>
> > ---------
> > If you wish to question my logic on any of these counts, please do so ,
> > in public. Note I have not needed to bring into this the fact that you,
> > or someone using your account, posted an interesting message to
> > alt.sex.incest....[see bottom] .
>
<snipped>
>
> >Please note , everyone, that the person who
> > posted that message claimed to be an older man with the pseudonym
>
> > "Marjorie Proops"
>
<snipped>
<snipped>
>
> > Lets hope the abuse mailbox for Graeme Bell <grae...@zetnet.co.uk>
> > doesn't get to learn of message <1997061813453873...@zetnet.co.uk>
>
> > Fuckwit Graeme Bell from uttered the following slime from his filthy
> > mouth into uk.adverts.computer .....
>
> > >In message <11gMjkAuCvpzE...@ratcake.demon.co.uk>
> > > Bill Jillians <b...@ratcake.demon.co._DELETE_THIS_BIT_uk> writes:
>
> > >> You have also stated in print that I ask 17 year old boys for sex.
> > >> Please prove this statement as well.
>
> > >Forgotten already have you Bill?
>
> > >Someone please post the article in the group again , I'd rather not
> > >go near it if you don't mind.
>
> > >Graeme.
>
> > HERE IS THE SIG THAT YOU SO BADLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT !!! (It's name is
> > Hatelie.sig)
>
<snipped>
<snipped>
WTF Cuil???
Did you even read that thread??
It's a fuck'n NG for selling computers and stuff. Bill and a 17yr old
kid named "Graeme" got into a beef. Bill told him to -"Put your
teenage mouth around my d*ck and have a real good s*ck."-
And Graeme came back with the comment, that since he's only 17yr, that
would make Bill a pedo.
They're trading insults you fuck'n moron!!
Here's the link to the entire thread.
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.adverts.computer/browse_frm/thread/2705c94d002f7d3a?
And that other link has nothing to do with Bill at all. I got no idea
what your reason for posting *that* might'a been.
WTF you try'n to show with that alt.sex.incest post?
Some 19yr old kid/guy named Paul, posts there, say'n he wants to meet
an older woman to become her "toyboy". Bill gives him some advise, and
some of it's kinna funny.
Noth'n about incest in there, other than the name of the group it was
posted to. WTF is your point man!?
:
:
[Bill Jillians] ---- "Paul - a couple of hint from an older man...
(1) Sex isn't everything its cracked out to be, but if you don't get
it
started on the right foot - IT WILL BE NASTY.
(2) If you are gonna post in alt.sex.incest I hope you realise that
your mother may be the person to take you up on your offer.
(3) If you are going to be a Toyboy (and God know's I've tried to
talk
you out of it) you want the woman to bloody pick YOU up from YOUR
home.
If you're gonna be a poodle you'd better screw everything you can out
of
the situation (like drinks, rides, dinners and maybe clothes)."
"Marjorie Proop"
He signs it "Marjorie Proop", but his nym, "Bill Jillians" is clearly
visible in the post.
Here's the link for that thread.
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.adverts.personals/browse_frm/thread/781ac551af9944b8/c85f8bcda65bf2dc?#c85f8bcda65bf2dc
You are the lowest form of scum.... Get the fuck outta this group,
dirt bag!
-carl
> > > Marjorie Proops E-mail: b...@ratcake.demon.co.uk
> > > Web:http://www.ratcake.demon.co.uk
>
<snipped>
>
> > > In bring and buy advert <1997060221114673...@zetnet.co.uk>, punter
> > > Graeme Bell <grae...@zetnet.co.uk> wants to buy or sell the following:-
> > > >Bill , I don't know you personally, but this post must rate as the
> > > >most immature I've read for several months.
>
> > > >Quite frankly, I'm surprised you can find a lawyer who'll take you
> > > seriously.
>
> > > >This posts shows complete juvenility , and immaturity, and if you're
> > > >even a tenth of the professional you think you are, you'll post an
> > > >apology for this to the people you have insulted with it.
>
> > > >Graeme.
>
> > > Graeme,
>
> > > Put your teenage mouth around my d*ck and have a real good s*ck.
>
> > > Bill Jillians
>
> <snipped>
>
> WTF Cuil???
>
> Did you even read that thread??
> It's a fuck'n NG for selling computers and stuff. Bill and a 17yr old
> kid named "Graeme" got into a beef. Bill told him to -"Put your
> teenage mouth around my d*ck and have a real good s*ck."-
>
> And Graeme came back with the comment, that since he's only 17yr, that
> would make Bill a pedo.
>
> They're trading insults you fuck'n moron!!
>
> Here's the link to the entire thread.http://groups.google.com/group/uk.adverts.computer/browse_frm/thread/...
>
> And that other link has nothing to do with Bill at all. I got no idea
> what your reason for posting *that* might'a been.
>
> WTF you try'n to show with that alt.sex.incest post?
>
> Some 19yr old kid/guy named Paul, posts there, say'n he wants to meet
> an older woman to become her "toyboy". Bill gives him some advise, and
> some of it's kinna funny.
>
> Noth'n about incest in there, other than the name of the group it was
> posted to. WTF is your point man!?
> :
> :
> [Bill Jillians] ---- "Paul - a couple of hint from an older man...
>
> (1) Sex isn't everything its cracked out to be, but if you don't get
> it
> started on the right foot - IT WILL BE NASTY.
>
> (2) If you are gonna post in alt.sex.incest I hope you realise that
> your mother may be the person to take you up on your offer.
>
> (3) If you are going to be a Toyboy (and God know's I've tried to
> talk
> you out of it) you want the woman to bloody pick YOU up from YOUR
> home.
> If you're gonna be a poodle you'd better screw everything you can out
> of
> the situation (like drinks, rides, dinners and maybe clothes)."
>
> "Marjorie Proop"
>
> He signs it "Marjorie Proop", but his nym, "Bill Jillians" is clearly
> visible in the post.
>
> Here's the link for that thread.http://groups.google.com/group/uk.adverts.personals/browse_frm/thread...
>
> You are the lowest form of scum.... Get the fuck outta this group,
> dirt bag!
> -carl
Shit... i hate those posts that run on and on, into a second page.
-This one's shorter.-
Oh yeah... and that geocity link, the references are incomplete, they
can't be verified.
-carl
Oh .. its OK Carl. He, she or it clearly doesn't know any better.
--
<p>sychotic <c>hicken
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.suicide.holiday/msg/a3ae521b248d8a12?hl=en&dmode=source
Dear "Cuil":
If you're going to quote my post, at least try and see the points I was making in it:
1. That Jillians klaimed I called him a pedo, which I did not -- I did however
reference the post in which he was called a pedo after making inappropriate
responses;
2. That Jillians had that accusation leveled against him years ago by someone
else, and had failed to act on it (except by a lot more whining);
3. That Jillians acts irrationally whenever someone refuses to swallow his
lies and bullshit;
4. That Jillians frequently does the "Palmjob Paddle" (i.e. spnaks himself
by his own hand), especially when he klaims there's no proof of something
and there is, as Graeme Bell showed there; and
4. That Jillians makes frivolous, stupid, baseless legal threats, which would
be shot down very quickly if he was, by some miracle, able to do more than
expel hot and stale air.
HTH.
PS: please don't repost my posts again without my prior permission. Thanks!