Magnetic wine aging
Jim Robertson
'ages' wine. You simply open the bottle replacing the original cork
with the magnetic one and sit the bottle on the magnetic base for 30
minutes...and the wine tastes aged. Does anyone know where I can find
out more about this device and how it works?
Thank you for the information
Fred Williams
presentation :-)
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RJMartin
bottle next to your cell phone or under some high voltage lines.
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--RJMartin
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Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
I can sell you some magic spells that do the same. They are based on old
viking spells to the gods Tor and Odin. They age the wine and make them
taste even better than before.
The spells can be trown at your wine over the IP-network. All I need is your
IP-number and you credit card number.
Did I say it cost $ 1000 for each spell... :-)
--
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
http://spiderman.novit.no/dahls/index.html
Mark Willstatter
It's complete and utter nonsense that pops up here every few months.
Ray
you are not aging you wine you can cure your back trouble with the magnets.
Ray ;o)
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Pavel314
Jim,
As you may have gathered from the other replys, this is a scam that goes
around the Internet every so often. There's no quick way to age wine, at
least not yet.
Paul
@lycos.com David D
the device to which you're referring is the "Perfect Sommelier".
Here is a link to their home page: http://www.cellarnot.com/
I too was extremely skeptical but not so much so that I didn't shell out for
one, and I can attest that is does make a discernible difference in the
taste of a bottle of wine ... I use it mostly for the store-bought plonk
that others bring over as my own wine is superb as is. <vbg>
I will agree that it isn't a substitute for proper aging but it does have a
positive effect.
Cheers,
David
Tom
I think you are the first person in 3 years I've been on this ng to actually
admit they bought one of these things.....BTW, has any one seen my x-ray
glasses.....?
Tom
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Louise Gagnon
Did he say he actually bought this gadget?
Louise:o)
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@lycos.com David D
with the results. Worst case, I'm a gullible idiot for wasting $50 on
something I percieve does make a difference to a bottle of wine (which
doesn't speak well for my taste buds); best case, it actually does work as
advertised and I'm the first one on my block with one. Either way, I'm
content with the results it gives me.
I think your x-ray glasses are in the drawer beside your "super snooper",
Tom. Cheers,
David
Ron
bottle of wine on the table for the same duration as the magnet is on. A
little breathing does wonders............
Now where did I put my cryptonite????.. :P
Ron
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Mark Willstatter
David, there is no more scientific basis for magnets affecting wine
than there is for magnets curing arthritis or cancer; there is nothing
in wine that could be affected in any way by a magnet. You believe it
works because you believe it works but if a properly designed,
statistically valid scientific study were designed (multiple wines,
mulitiple tasters, double blind conditions - neither pourer nor taster
know which samples are 'virgin' and which 'magnetically aged'), I
guarantee you it the result would be that the magnetic coaster has no
effect on wine at all. That it is possible to sell Perfect Sommelier
and similar devices is yet one more example of the old quote, "there's
a sucker born every minute". Nothing personal, but this is nothing
other than plain old-fashioned fraud.
- Mark W.
@lycos.com David D
reality, and it isn't merely my perception ... there are a number of people
who have far better educated palettes than do I, and they seem to publicly
agree that there is a difference. As for me, I do notice a difference, it's
a pleasing one to my taste, and so I'm content to have been "defrauded".
I'm not trying to defend or promote the product ... I merely answered the
original poster's question with the information for which they asked.
OzWineKits
evidence :) If you enjoy your wine more after Magnetic Therapy then
fine - who knows it might do something, right?
If you want to try this trick then go down to your local Computer Shop
and pick-up an old Hard Disk Drive for $0 that is buggered or no
longer of any value to anyone. When you strip it down there are
usually a couple of REALLY STRONG - RARE EARTH DOPED MAGNETS used to
create the head stepper field. Strip the Hard Drive Down and remove
the magnets, then discard the rest of the bits. The Magnets are
usually quite flat and in a 'C' or 'V' type shape which can easily be
glued to a cork or timber mat.
Open a Bottle of your preferred Vino place on the Magnetised Mat,
(keeping all sharps well away from the mat to avoid a potential health
hazard ....lol), and leave to breathe and 'MAGNETIZE' for 1/2hr before
serving.
Its very cheap and a lot stronger field than most of the other
MAGNETIC-VINO gadgets on the market, plus it helps recycle some of
those redundant computer parts that just get tossed into the
landd-fill. And your wallet will be happier for the exercise (:P
Cheers,
Steve!
Frank J. Russo
plannig to do a blind taste test using this I'll let you know of the
resultes later.
Frank
ATF Home Brew Club
New Bern NC
Brian Lundeen
evidence to support its claims.
At the same time, I am still waiting for all these people who say it
wouldn't pass a controlled double-blind yada yada tasting to actually DO IT
and post the results. Ignorance is best countered with facts, not
conjecture.
We must also consider that the science surrounding low level electromagnetic
fields is not well advanced. Everyone has heard now about the cell phone
thing, but there have been rumblings for years about the possible effects at
the molecular level of seemingly innocuous devices such as electric blankets
and shavers. Again, these relate to long term effects, not immediate changes
such as changing the flavour of wines. Still, many commonly accepted beliefs
probably went through a pooh-pooh phase when they were first proposed, too.
So, how about it? Any wine clubs or groups out there interested in really
putting this thing through its paces?
Brian
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Ray
"Brian Lundeen" <blun...@spam.rrc.mb.ca> wrote in message
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> I'm not going to defend the Perfect Sommelier. There is no scientific
> evidence to support its claims.
>
> At the same time, I am still waiting for all these people who say it
> wouldn't pass a controlled double-blind yada yada tasting to actually DO
IT
> and post the results. Ignorance is best countered with facts, not
> conjecture.
>
> We must also consider that the science surrounding low level
electromagnetic
> fields is not well advanced. Everyone has heard now about the cell phone
> thing, but there have been rumblings for years about the possible effects
at
> the molecular level of seemingly innocuous devices such as electric
blankets
> and shavers. Again, these relate to long term effects, not immediate
changes
> such as changing the flavour of wines. Still, many commonly accepted
beliefs
> probably went through a pooh-pooh phase when they were first proposed,
too.
>
> So, how about it? Any wine clubs or groups out there interested in really
> putting this thing through its paces?
>
> Brian
>
might me left to the strong detractors. But scoffers seldom do either.
They are already convinced they are right and that is enough. I certainly
would NOT buy just to prove it does not work.
Ray
Mark Willstatter
No, Steve, if we have even a modest founding in science, the we *do*
know it doesn't work. If one chooses to believe anyway (and 'belief'
is what I'd have to call it since it would have to be more a religious
thing than a scientific one, based on faith and nothing else), then
your advice is good. I used to work designing disk drives and those
magnets really are something. As you say, there are lots of old disk
drives out there and the magnets *are* going to be both stronger and
much cheaper than those being sold by the fraud artists.
- Mark W.
Joe Sallustio
Regards,
Joe
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MikeMTM
Someone, in this NG I think, once speculated that these things might
cause a little inductive heating of the wine. As is generally known,
even a small rise in temp will change the taste of wine, particularly a
young one. The thing about warming a glassful in your hand & how the
wine changes, etc. If you do the test, check that the temps are the
same, to be fair.
Luck, Mike MTM
@lycos.com David D
are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are explained in your
philosophy!"
OzWineKits
scientist today know exactly how and why magnets work, (though I am
quite sure TESLA had a pretty good idea), sure there are many theories
but nothing concrete. Anyway the point is that the disputed effect may
be difficult to prove or disprove depending on wine & circumstances -
just too many variables! However, Bentonite does contain small
quanitities of iron which may effect wines when subjected to strong
magnetic fields? Perhaps it polarizes some dissolved particles which
react differently with the many electro-chemical receptors on the
tongue surface?
Regardless - I doubt that it would be detrimental to the wine or the
consumer. The Hard Disk Magnets solution is VERY CHEAP so it can't
hurt to try. Perhaps if the magnets were rotated under the bottle of
wine, it would be far more impressive and could concievably charge
more money for the gadget.......lmao
BTW - I OBVIOUSLY have already used this method on my wines many times
before and personally I don't detect much of a difference, but it
impresses the guests and is a great talking point over a nice meal.
Somehow the conversation usually drifts off to UFO's and other
Government Conspiracies :P
Shhhhh! Don't let the commercial wineries know about the rotating
magnet thingy - next thing the label will carry a logo 'Hyper-Magneto
treated for your health' and charge a couple of bucks extra. Just
think of the marketing possibilities, maybe it will cure
cancer?.......roflmao
Cheers,
Steve!
JaeDavis
you. I hope all this slamming doesn't cause you to leave the group.
It was an honest question and we don't blame you for exploring a
possibility for making wine even better. As I recently learned, you
just have to be careful what you say in here sometimes or this kind of
thing happens. ;)
Cheers!
-Jae
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> There is a gizmo that works only on a magnetic base (and cork) that
Brian Lundeen
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> Shhhhh! Don't let the commercial wineries know about the rotating
> magnet thingy - next thing the label will carry a logo 'Hyper-Magneto
> treated for your health' and charge a couple of bucks extra. Just
> think of the marketing possibilities, maybe it will cure
> cancer?.......roflmao
I remember going to a wine fair years ago and one of the booths was
promoting a sparkling wine that was "pyramid aged" (remember that new age
fad?)
I would have mocked them but for the fact that the booth person had
incredibly large breasts and I was quite content to just stand there quietly
and let her speak. ;-)
Brian
Brian Lundeen
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> Jim, I hope you realize that everyone is attacking the topic and not
> you. I hope all this slamming doesn't cause you to leave the group.
Hey, if you can't stand the heat....
Don't stand on a magnet which can cause a little inductive heating. ;-)
Brian
Fred Williams
mindset the religions of the world would definitely have some rough
sledding!
I'm thinking maybe aluminum nails positioned with the proper orientation
might work even better than magnets. Now all I need to find is an
unscrupulous PR firm and I'm in the wine "improving" bid'ness!
As I immerse myself deeper and deeper into the marketing side of wine, I am
finding the power of suggestion plays a very strong role in the more
esoteric features of the product, like aroma, flavors, and wine glass shape
and construction.
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Fred Williams
Incredibly large breasts can sell me most anything, unfortunately :-) Well,
at least get my attention.
Mark Willstatter
> Mark, I wish I had your certainty in the workings of the universe ... "there
> are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are explained in your
> philosophy!"
David, all it takes is a little education!
Ray
"Mark Willstatter" <mwil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<snip>
> David, all it takes is a little education!
A little education is a dangerous thing. Look at all of us pseudo-experts.
Now, I think if you add two stavin cubes to a glass of wine and let it set
for 10 min's it will improve the wine. I challenge anyone to disprove this.
I should be able to sell little packets of stavin cubes for about 50 cents
each and make a fortune.
;o)
Ray
Ray
trouble sleeping to arthritis since the days of Benjamin Franklin. They are
still being used. No one has ever shown that they work but they are still
being used. The thing is, as long as some people think they work, you
cannot prove that they do not work. You just have to be in the right frame
of mind.
They will probably be used to age wine 200 years from now as well.
Ray
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: I remember going to a wine fair years ago and one of the booths was
: promoting a sparkling wine that was "pyramid aged" (remember that new age
: fad?)
:
: I would have mocked them but for the fact that the booth person had
: incredibly large breasts and I was quite content to just stand there
quietly
: and let her speak. ;-)
:
: Brian
Brian, Brian, Brian, a passing fad? Clearly you have to visit
http://www.summerhill.bc.ca/
I'm not sure whether they carry magnets as well, maybe Bill has visited them
recently and knows?
Tim
PS- I have never tried their wines, so I can't comment on the pyramid
effect.
Don S
How we got from Magnetic Wine Aging to Incredibly Large Breasts is one
of the miracles of the Internet...
Don
Don S
>The thing is, as long as some people think they work, you
>cannot prove that they do not work.
>
You cannot prove that they do not work... if they think they work then they
do work. If a person is cured by a placebo... perhaps it is us sceptical
pricks
that are doing ourselves a disfavour. I quote side-thread on "Incredibly
Large
Breasts" in allowing me to use the phrase "sceptical pricks".
Don
Brian Lundeen
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Thank you, the section on tachyons was worth the visit alone.
Brian
QuirkySue
> How we got from Magnetic Wine Aging to Incredibly Large Breasts is one
> of the miracles of the Internet...
>
> Don
<GRIN>
I would normally be inclined to comment on this male preoccupation
with such superficial physical attributes....(hehe) if it weren't for
the simple fact that my head could indeed be turned and my chequebook
opened by a hunky salesperson with six-pack abs and an *Incredibly
Large Package* LOL
Mark Willstatter
> A little education is a dangerous thing. Look at all of us pseudo-experts.
>
> Now, I think if you add two stavin cubes to a glass of wine and let it set
> for 10 min's it will improve the wine. I challenge anyone to disprove this.
> I should be able to sell little packets of stavin cubes for about 50 cents
> each and make a fortune.
>
> ;o)
>
> Ray
Ray, there's a difference between opinions on winemaking and basic
scientific principles. Winemaking is complex and not only about
science but including elements of art and always, always involving
personal taste. So there is never going to be agreement about any
particular aspect of winemaking, there is no one right way to do
anything. But the sellers of magnetic coasters cannot even propose a
physical phenomenon that would account for any effect on wine because
there isn't any, nor can they provide any data that suggest such an
effect exists because they don't dare conduct a study that would
provide the data. And the burden of proof is decidedly on them.
On the Stavin cube subject, I can disprove it. Give me a taster who
doesn't like oak and I can guarantee the Stavin cubes will not improve
the wine. Now, if what you're saying is that the cubes would *affect*
the wine, that's a different story, as I found out empirically. I
added some cubes to a carboy of Zin, then found out I'd overfilled the
carboy and had to draw a little wine out to get the stopper in. So it
had only been a few minutes at most and I was surprised to find the
cubes had affected at least the wine in the neck of the carboy that
quickly - I distinct cinammon/spicy flavor that could only have come
from the oak. So you have no problems convincing me that a couple of
cubes could change a glass of wine quickly. Again, whether that's
*improvement* depends on how you feel about oak.
- Mark W.
Mark Willstatter
>
> promoting a sparkling wine that was "pyramid aged" (remember that new age
> fad?)
>
you got against pyramids?
- Mark W.
Brian Lundeen
"QuirkySue" <quir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I would normally be inclined to comment on this male preoccupation
> with such superficial physical attributes....(hehe) if it weren't for
> the simple fact that my head could indeed be turned and my chequebook
> opened by a hunky salesperson with six-pack abs and an *Incredibly
> Large Package* LOL
Except in your case, when dinner is served, you might find out it's mostly
potatoes on the plate, and not much steak. ;-)
Brian
Brian Lundeen
> >
> Hey, pyramids have as much chance of working as magnets! What have
> you got against pyramids?
>
They're pointy. If you're not careful, you could put your eye out on one of
them. Not that I'm a pyramidphobe. I'm comfortable enough with my
geometrical preferences, that I would not feel threatened in the slightest
by people who like pyramids. We've come a long way from the days when
pyramidists stood a good chance of being beaten by roving gangs of
squareheads if they openly displayed their orientation, and thank goodness
for that.
But they're still pointy and dangerous. ;-)
Brian (who's starting to feel the effects of a long week)
Richard Kovach
perceived changes by others is "all in their heads" -- that they
notice a difference because they want to (consciously or
unconsciously). But the skeptics never consider the reverse of this
which MUST also have equal chance at being true -- that the skeptics
fail to notice a difference because they want, equally if not more
emphatically, to *not* notice a difference.
Making up your mind either way prior to doing your own investigation
is a good way to guarantee that your results are going to be skewed in
that direction.
I used to run into this kind of behaviour years ago, when I was a
die-hard audiophile. I tried all kinds of low-budget tweaks that most
people I knew thought were patently ridiculous -- CD stabilizer discs,
polishing CDs with Armor All and painting the edges green, trying all
kinds of different cables, buying a specific type of cheap clock radio
because it reportedly somehow did something to the AC power that
improved the audio system sound (the list is much longer, I just can't
remember most of them...) Some of these had no effect on the overall
sound, but many of them did (sometimes good sometimes bad). I could
routinely get some of my skeptic aquaintances to notice an improvement
if I either (a) did the whole thing blind or double-blind and didn't
tell them what they were evaluating, or (b) lied and told them that
the change was something that they would find more believable. More
importantly, the audio equipment manufacturers would often investigate
and eventually come up with measurable and quantifiable scientific
evidence of how and why some of these tweaks made a difference -- and
then incorporate better versions of the "tweaks" into their products.
What was lunacy one year would a few years later become widespread
behaviour.
Anyone who has every participated in deep hypnosis (as either a
subject or a hypnotist) knows how easily the mind can be convinced of
things that are not objectively true. Anyone who has studied hypnosis
knows that the trance and waking states are not on/off conditions and
people's level of conscious awareness constantly varies. And anyone
who has properly learned self hypnosis quickly comes to realize how
very non-objective anyone's experience can be (i.e. how easy it is to
essentially self-hypnotize yourself without realizing it, and also to
fall prey to advertising, cultural reinforcement, etc types of
brainwashing).
So please don't condemn things like this until you have first tried
very hard to allow yourself to *truly* adopt an open-minded attitude
and then done your own evaluation -- or have heard multiple opinions
from other people whose judgement you can trust, whom you can trust to
be reasonably objective, and have done their own evaluations. By
open-minded, I mean having absolutely no preferences (emotional,
intellectual, philosophical, financial, etc) for the outcome and a
healthy curiousity towards whether or not they will detect any change.
If your core belief is that it simply isn't possible for this device
to work, it's not good enough to simply decide consciously to try and
be open-minded -- your unconscious mind is most likely going to
continue to operate from your core beliefs and override any
objectivity that you try to have (unless the effects of the gadget are
truly hard to ignore). To be truly open-minded you have to change
your unconscious belief systems to at least allow for the possibility
that recognizable changes could occur. This is not easy to do for
most people without first making a considerable time and effort
investment in learning how to identify and change your own core
(unconscious) beliefs and values.
Having said all that, I have not tried such devices, and have
absolutely no idea whether or not they do anything to wine. Neither
do I really care one way or another. I am mildly curious, but not
quite enough to fork out the $ for the commercial version -- my
perception of the disposability of my income is not what it was in my
single workaholic days :-) However, I think I might have an old hard
drive around here somewhere that I'm sure that no one will ever use
again, so I may just give that a try...
Cheers!
Richard
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Man oh Man! I just got'ta get their PR person on my list of consultants!
I'm gon'na make Millions and millions!!
Ray
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> OK Mark- you've done it now. Mark, "if we have even a modest founding in
> science," then we would form a hypothesis and test it. Anyone in this NG
> who foo-foos the magnetic aging deal without having the results of
> controlled experiments risks being ignorant.
>
> I favor the pyramid method of aging. I once saw a chrome and glass
replica
> of the Great one, about 2' tall and cost $600. You simply place your wine
> under the pyramid and it ages the equivalent of "10-25 years". They said
it
> worked on other things as well. I didn't however understand that placing
a
> razor blade under the device would maintain the sharpness.
>
>
> --
> KB
>
Remind me not to sleep under anything remotely shaped like a pyramid!
:o)
Ray
K. B.
science," then we would form a hypothesis and test it. Anyone in this NG
who foo-foos the magnetic aging deal without having the results of
controlled experiments risks being ignorant.
I favor the pyramid method of aging. I once saw a chrome and glass replica
of the Great one, about 2' tall and cost $600. You simply place your wine
under the pyramid and it ages the equivalent of "10-25 years". They said it
worked on other things as well. I didn't however understand that placing a
razor blade under the device would maintain the sharpness.
--
KB
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> No, Steve, if we have even a modest founding in science, the we *do*
> know it doesn't work. If one chooses to believe anyway (and 'belief'
> is what I'd have to call it since it would have to be more a religious
> thing than a scientific one, based on faith and nothing else), then
> your advice is good. I used to work designing disk drives and those
> magnets really are something. As you say, there are lots of old disk
> drives out there and the magnets *are* going to be both stronger and
> much cheaper than those being sold by the fraud artists.
>
> - Mark W.
David C Breeden
>OK Mark- you've done it now. Mark, "if we have even a modest founding in
>science," then we would form a hypothesis and test it. Anyone in this NG
>who foo-foos the magnetic aging deal without having the results of
>controlled experiments risks being ignorant.
Not ignorant in any interesting sense, no. I mean yeah, they would
be ignorant of whether or not pyramids worked, but only in the sense
that they're ignorant of what color socks I'm wearing.
As other folks have pointed out, the burden of proof is conventially
placed on those making the claim, i.e., those who claim that
pyramids do something beyond sitting there.
Dave
>--
>KB
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Dave
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Westcott Wayne
thumb over the top of the bottle and shake well for 30 - 60 seconds. Pour out
2 more glasses and compare. An easily explained improvement in the flavour.
David D wrote:
> I don't dispute it, Mark ... it may well be a fraud; however, perception is
> reality, and it isn't merely my perception ... there are a number of people
> who have far better educated palettes than do I, and they seem to publicly
> agree that there is a difference. As for me, I do notice a difference, it's
> a pleasing one to my taste, and so I'm content to have been "defrauded".
>
> I'm not trying to defend or promote the product ... I merely answered the
> original poster's question with the information for which they asked.
@lycos.com David D
don't know everything there is to know (Mark Witless or whatever your name
is, this is to you as well), and while you have it out, read my posts! I
don't try to promote the product other than to say that I have one and I
perceive a discernible difference. I don't claim insight into why or how it
works, or even IF it works, and I don't advocate spending money on one.
Certainly, I don't profit from it.
To those who recommend a strong magnet from a hard drive, be aware that
there is a smaller magnet in the "cork" ... if you're going to experiment,
get it right!
My apologies to the group at large. I shan't trouble you again.
Louise Gagnon
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