What language is used in (a) cave?
Matt Kimball
> I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
> <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
> able to come up with anything catching.
> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
Uhh, "CAVEspeak"? Or maybe "CAVEcode". Or maybe "Grunt", like you'd
expect a caveman to do.
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J. Robinson Wheeler
Spelunk. Lamp. Canary (dead). Bloop. Freen. Pweent. Palabalabalab.
(Whoops, slipped into Don Martin mode there.)
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Erik Max Francis
> I'll slip into Zarf mode:
>
> ..., flopglglak, ...
This one has way too many vowels. :-)
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Erik Max Francis
> Jacob Munkhammar <ja...@stud.ntnu.no> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> > programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
...
> > The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
>
> Uhh, "CAVEspeak"? Or maybe "CAVEcode". Or maybe "Grunt", like you'd
> expect a caveman to do.
Don't let Plotkin choose it! You'll tie your tongue in a knot. :-)
Jacob Munkhammar
programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
able to come up with anything catching.
Any better ideas out there? Any idea *is* better! (Preferably something
with a wowel or two ;)
He or she who come up with the name I use will earn eternal fame (but not
much fortune, I'm afraid) having his or her name in an appropriate place
in the CAVE manual.
/Jacob
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Adam J. Thornton
J. Robinson Wheeler <whe...@jump.net> wrote:
>Spelunk. Lamp. Canary (dead). Bloop. Freen. Pweent. Palabalabalab.
>(Whoops, slipped into Don Martin mode there.)
I'll slip into Zarf mode:
glfnorb, flopglglak, qwtgltkz, xyzzgly, pdddglpfdqo, ummaglummglaxqtz,
griglnr.
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Brent VanFossen
>> I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
>> programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
>> <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
>> able to come up with anything catching.
>> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
How about Cavern?
Brent VanFossen
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>From: ad...@princeton.edu (Adam J. Thornton)
>Date: 4/11/99 5:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>I'll slip into Zarf mode:
>ummaglummglaxqtz,
I think that one is already taken.
Oops, I guess that was the sound of Zarf clearing his thoart BEFORE pronouncing
Glulx.
How about thingamibob, thingamijig, deeliebob, etc.?
Doe :-)
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Jacob Munkhammar
Thornton) wrote:
> glfnorb, flopglglak, qwtgltkz, xyzzgly, pdddglpfdqo, ummaglummglaxqtz,
> griglnr.
>
> Adam
Why did I know this would happen?
Kathleen M. Fischer
>
> I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
> <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
> able to come up with anything catching.
> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
echo? rock? bat? (short, easy to type, easy to say words)
Kathleen (of course, if you want something really catching you could
use cold, virus, or flu)
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ja...@stud.ntnu.no (Jacob Munkhammar) wrote:
> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
Fweep. Or Wumpus. :)
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Jacob Munkhammar
Fischer" <kfis...@greenhouse.nospam.gov> wrote:
> Jacob Munkhammar wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> > programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
> > <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
> > able to come up with anything catching.
> > The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
>
> echo? rock? bat? (short, easy to type, easy to say words)
>
I like them, perhaps Echo most.
I also just thought about Magic.
Quite nice to make things work in CAVE through Magic...
> Kathleen (of course, if you want something really catching you could
> use cold, virus, or flu)
:-)
Kathleen M. Fischer
> I also just thought about Magic.
>
> Quite nice to make things work in CAVE through Magic...
Well, if you want that approach - then you could call it BLOOD,
SWEAT or TEARS -- I know I've written a lot of code using
those three (not to mention high caffine beverages)
Many people feel their code is etched in STONE. Others feel like
they are working with SPEGETTI.
Kathleen (ducking back under her desk)
okbl...@usa.net
ja...@stud.ntnu.no (Jacob Munkhammar) wrote:
> I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
> <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
> able to come up with anything catching.
> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
>
> with a wowel or two ;)
I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Xyzzy", "Plugh" or "Plover". "Plugh" is
almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to vowel ratio (though easily
pronounced). Along the same lines one might use less obvious references to
ADVENT: Wellspring, GBS (greasy black smoke) or Bedquilt.
Beating the cave/cavern metaphor to death you could use (as others have
already suggested) echo or spelunk, the former suggesting (to me) a scripting
language while the latter has a more adventurous quality to it.
If you had a high-level scripting language and a lower-level nuts-and-bolts
type version of it, you could call one stalactite and the other
stalagmite....
Or you could go another direction altogether and pun off the Latin word
"cave", i.e., "cave canem", "caveat" or "caveat emptor".
Etc.
[ok]
Irene Callaci
Munkhammar) wrote:
>I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
>programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
><http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
>able to come up with anything catching.
>The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
>
>Any better ideas out there? Any idea *is* better! (Preferably something
>with a wowel or two ;)
>
>He or she who come up with the name I use will earn eternal fame (but not
>much fortune, I'm afraid) having his or her name in an appropriate place
>in the CAVE manual.
I dunno about the language itself, but you just gotta call
the documentation CAVEman. ;)
irene
Patrick
ja...@stud.ntnu.no (Jacob Munkhammar) writes:
> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
>
> Any better ideas out there? Any idea *is* better! (Preferably something
> with a wowel or two ;)
Spelean
Guanol
Meep (the language of Cavies)
Xyzzual Basic
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J. Robinson Wheeler
> I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Xyzzy", "Plugh" or "Plover". "Plugh" is
> almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to vowel ratio (though easily
> pronounced).
Easily pronounced, perhaps, but there are at least 3 competing official
pronunciations: Pluff, Plug, and Ploo. Who needs that?
> Beating the cave/cavern metaphor to death you could use (as others have
> already suggested) echo or spelunk, the former suggesting (to me) a scripting
> language while the latter has a more adventurous quality to it.
Others? Goodness, I've become plural. Time to cut down on the Ding Dongs.
(ObFoodthreadreference).
Andrew Plotkin
> > I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Xyzzy", "Plugh" or "Plover". "Plugh" is
> > almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to vowel ratio (though easily
> > pronounced).
> Easily pronounced, perhaps, but there are at least 3 competing official
> pronunciations: Pluff, Plug, and Ploo. Who needs that?
Nobody else uses the vocalized "gh" sound? (Like the ending of "Bach", but
voiced.)
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> griglnr.
Do you *really* want to raise _Eye of Argon_ associations?
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David Given
okbl...@usa.net writes:
[...]
> I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Xyzzy", "Plugh" or "Plover". "Plugh" is
> almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to vowel ratio (though easily
> ADVENT: Wellspring, GBS (greasy black smoke) or Bedquilt.
How *do* you pronounce `plugh', anyway? I tend to use a silent gh ---
`ploo'. Does anyone say `plug' or `plugch'?
Adam J. Thornton
>How *do* you pronounce `plugh', anyway? I tend to use a silent gh ---
>`ploo'. Does anyone say `plug' or `plugch'?
I pronounce it "glulx", or "glk" if I'm feeling lazy.
Andrew Plotkin
> In article <toove7...@pearl.tao.co.uk>, David Given <d...@tao.co.uk> wrote:
> >How *do* you pronounce `plugh', anyway? I tend to use a silent gh ---
> >`ploo'. Does anyone say `plug' or `plugch'?
> I pronounce it "glulx", or "glk" if I'm feeling lazy.
Dear Mr. Thornton:
I have your vowels hostage. They are being held in a safe place. They have
not yet been harmed.
Please stop making fun of Mr. Plotkin's names, or you will never be able
to pronounce any *other* names again.
Each day you do not comply, one vowel will be fed to the fricatives.
-- The International Lipogrammation Front
Adam J. Thornton
Andrew Plotkin <erky...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Dear Mr. Thornton:
>
>I have your vowels hostage. They are being held in a safe place. They have
>not yet been harmed.
Wh b st rd! sh ld p p g d n ! Th s s th v l st f rm
f c rc n! s ck nd r m th r dr ss s f nn !
>Each day you do not comply, one vowel will be fed to the fricatives.
r n v l, v l m n!
d m
Dan Schmidt
| J. Robinson Wheeler (whe...@jump.net) wrote:
| > okbl...@usa.net wrote:
|
| > > I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Xyzzy", "Plugh" or "Plover".
| > > "Plugh" is almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to
| > > vowel ratio (though easily pronounced).
| >
| > Easily pronounced, perhaps, but there are at least 3 competing
| > official pronunciations: Pluff, Plug, and Ploo. Who needs that?
|
| Nobody else uses the vocalized "gh" sound? (Like the ending of
| "Bach", but voiced.)
Yeah, I do.
(For the record, the rest of my list is "zizzy", "gulk", and
"glulks".)
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Arcum Dagsson
ja...@stud.ntnu.no (Jacob Munkhammar) wrote:
> I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
> <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
> able to come up with anything catching.
> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
>
> Any better ideas out there? Any idea *is* better! (Preferably something
> with a wowel or two ;)
>
> He or she who come up with the name I use will earn eternal fame (but not
> much fortune, I'm afraid) having his or her name in an appropriate place
> in the CAVE manual.
>
Hmmm... to follow recent naming tradition, it should have 5 letters, one
or two vowels, one of which is an i or u, and an l or x.(no restrictions
other then the vowel to consonent ratio on the number of i's, u's, l's,
and x's, mind...)
Clulx, for example...
On the other hand, easy to remember names would be nice, and something
appropriate to a cave, or prehistoric eras would suit.
Let's see:
Don't know which of these would be taken, but:
Hiero
Glyph
Runestone
Granite
Goosnargh
Or there's the language I'd use in a cave, namely:
Letmeoutofthisd***cave
S***itsdarkinhere
Nicegrueaaaaaarrrrgh
Or you could freak out conspiracy theorists, and call it fnord...
--Arcum Dagsson
"What is the point of treating him to a complete sprng-clean,
polishing all the bits and bobs with beeswax, and scrubbing his
terminals with soapy water, if he's going to go all peculiar?"
LucFrench
>> almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to vowel ratio (though
>easily
>> pronounced).
>
>Easily pronounced, perhaps, but there are at least 3 competing official
>pronunciations: Pluff, Plug, and Ploo. Who needs that?
>
Not to mention Plagh.
Thanks
Luc "Zizzy" French
Lelah conrad
Lelah
Larry Smith
> In article <erkyrathF...@netcom.com>,
> Andrew Plotkin <erky...@netcom.com> wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Thornton:
> >I have your vowels hostage. They are being held in a safe place. They have
> >not yet been harmed.
> Wh b st rd! sh ld p p g d n ! Th s s th v l st f rm
> f c rc n! s ck nd r m th r dr ss s f nn !
> >Each day you do not comply, one vowel will be fed to the fricatives.
> r n v l, v l m n!
Well, THIS certainly lends a whole new interpretation
to the phrase "Want to buy a vowel?"
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Jacob Munkhammar
Fischer" <kfis...@greenhouse.nospam.gov> wrote:
> Jacob Munkhammar wrote:
> > I also just thought about Magic.
> >
> > Quite nice to make things work in CAVE through Magic...
>
> Well, if you want that approach - then you could call it BLOOD,
> SWEAT or TEARS -- I know I've written a lot of code using
> those three (not to mention high caffine beverages)
>
Well, making things happen in CAVE *is* like magic. ;)
> Many people feel their code is etched in STONE. Others feel like
> they are working with SPEGETTI.
>
...and the C code of the CAVE engine *is* like spaghetti! :P
(That's why I am now completely rewriting it...)
Jacob Munkhammar
> I dunno about the language itself, but you just gotta call
> the documentation CAVEman. ;)
>
> irene
I *like* that one! :-D
Jacob Munkhammar
> In article <jacob-12049...@ti29a96-0499.dialup.online.no>,
> ja...@stud.ntnu.no (Jacob Munkhammar) wrote:
> > I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> > programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
> > <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
> > able to come up with anything catching.
> > The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
> >
> > Any better ideas out there? Any idea *is* better! (Preferably something
> > with a wowel or two ;)
>
> I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Xyzzy", "Plugh" or "Plover". "Plugh" is
> almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to vowel ratio (though easily
> pronounced). Along the same lines one might use less obvious references to
> ADVENT: Wellspring, GBS (greasy black smoke) or Bedquilt.
>
Well, I have thought about them (the three first ones), but Xyzzy is too
well-known a code word to be stolen for this purpose (*I* think) and
Plover is, even if a magic word, a small bird (which, by the way, gives me
hell translating ADVENT to Swedish, as the plover family of birds has such
long and weird names in Swedish - like strandpipare - that doesn't lend
themselves too well to magic words - or 5 letter parsers...) and a bird
doesn't give the right feeling.
Hmmm.... Plugh?
How about Hollow Voice? :)
Y2 would be correct today, when computers are called G3 and cars A6 and Z3...
Also, Y2 means second entrance, and the CAVE language is (kind of) the
second entrance to the CAVE world definition. The parametric definitions
being the first.
By the way, I'm perfectly happy pronouncing XYZZY as ksyssy, but, then,
I'm a Swede and we have our own wowel sound for "y", the same as the
German u with an umlaut (ü)...
> Beating the cave/cavern metaphor to death you could use (as others have
> already suggested) echo or spelunk, the former suggesting (to me) a scripting
> language while the latter has a more adventurous quality to it.
>
> If you had a high-level scripting language and a lower-level nuts-and-bolts
> type version of it, you could call one stalactite and the other
> stalagmite....
>
I *am* toying with the idea of two levels of the language, but that's
still at a conceptual stage, and I don't think I'll bother.....
By the way, weren't the caves built by Dwarves? Is this a path to take, I
wonder...
> Or you could go another direction altogether and pun off the Latin word
> "cave", i.e., "cave canem", "caveat" or "caveat emptor".
>
Need to find my dictionary here...
- - -
I have been in the acronym department lately, coming up with Cell
(Conditional Event LLanguage) and Lance (LANguage for Conditional Events),
but none are fully satisfactory.
(For those interested: there's more about the concept behind CAVE's
"conditional events" language at
<http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/Programmering.html>.)
okbl...@usa.net
whe...@jump.net wrote:
>
> > Beating the cave/cavern metaphor to death you could use (as others have
> > already suggested) echo or spelunk, the former suggesting (to me) a
scripting
> > language while the latter has a more adventurous quality to it.
>
> (ObFoodthreadreference).
You mentioned "spelunk". Kathleen mentioned "echo". Hence, "others".
But you may want to cut down on the Ding Dongs anyway.
okbl...@usa.net
d...@tao.co.uk (David Given) wrote:
>
> How *do* you pronounce `plugh', anyway? I tend to use a silent gh ---
> `ploo'. Does anyone say `plug' or `plugch'?
Yeah, I admit it. I say "plug", though if I'm feeling particularly ebulliant,
I'll aspirate the "g", as in, "plug<forceful exhale>".
Some others I associate with, though not closely, say "ploog".
okbl...@usa.net
ja...@stud.ntnu.no (Jacob Munkhammar) wrote:
>
> Well, I have thought about them (the three first ones), but Xyzzy is too
> well-known a code word to be stolen for this purpose (*I* think)
Perhaps. There is the problem of drawing comparisons to one's work
unnecessarily. ("Who does he think HE is, co-opting a name like that??")
> Plover is, even if a magic word, a small bird (which, by the way, gives me
> hell translating ADVENT to Swedish, as the plover family of birds has such
> long and weird names in Swedish - like strandpipare - that doesn't lend
> themselves too well to magic words - or 5 letter parsers...) and a bird
> doesn't give the right feeling.
I can see that. I was thinking of "Plover" being relatively easy to
pronounce, aribtrary sounding to the novice, but having a particular meaning
to the cognoscenti. (On a personal note, "plover" is the one part of Advent
I didn't figure out on my own, so it is forever burned in my memory..)
> Hmmm.... Plugh?
> How about Hollow Voice? :)
For some of thus, that conjures up images of Eileen Mullin in a small black
dress.
> Y2 would be correct today, when computers are called G3 and cars A6 and Z3...
> Also, Y2 means second entrance, and the CAVE language is (kind of) the
> second entrance to the CAVE world definition. The parametric definitions
> being the first.
I like "Y2" when you put it that way. (I thought of it but had forgotten its
real meaning so didn't include it.)
> By the way, I'm perfectly happy pronouncing XYZZY as ksyssy, but, then,
> I'm a Swede and we have our own wowel sound for "y", the same as the
> German u with an umlaut (ü)...
I pronounce it "kzizee", like "dizzy" with an "X" sound at the front. (On the
other hand, I pronounce "Glk" as "glk".)
> I *am* toying with the idea of two levels of the language, but that's
> still at a conceptual stage, and I don't think I'll bother.....
I would keep in mind the possibility that you may need a second name and pick
accordingly. If you go with "Y2" you could have "Y3" later. If you picked
"David" you could go with "Goliath" later...whatever. ;-)
> By the way, weren't the caves built by Dwarves? Is this a path to take, I
> wonder...
I believe there is some text in CC that says the dwarves built the caves.
Maybe a Tolkien fan can help you out there.<g> "Mordor" and ... I dunno,
that's the extent of my JRRT knowledge.<g>
> > Or you could go another direction altogether and pun off the Latin word
> > "cave", i.e., "cave canem", "caveat" or "caveat emptor".
>
> Need to find my dictionary here...
Roughly:
"Cave canem" - beware of dog
"Caveat" - warning
"Caveat emptor" - buyer beware
I don't know where you'd go with these.<g>
> I have been in the acronym department lately, coming up with Cell
> (Conditional Event LLanguage) and Lance (LANguage for Conditional Events),
> but none are fully satisfactory.
I would avoid acronyms that don't fit in with the "cave" theme. Or any name
that would alienate your intended audience (though I guess that's stating the
obvious).
okbl...@usa.net
Patrick <pat...@dogslobber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Xyzzual Basic
>
Excuse or no excuse, I think *this* is great!
Joanna Marie Delaune
: > > I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
: > > programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
I think that "Echo" (not sure who suggested it first) is the best idea so
far. That would be a great name-- it relates, but it's not too weird,
obscure, or cheesy. :-)
Joanna M. DeLaune
jdel...@ocean.otr.usm.edu
Kathleen M. Fischer
> Wh b st rd! sh ld p p g d n ! Th s s th v l st f rm
> f c rc n! s ck nd r m th r dr ss s f nn !
>
And me without my secret decoder ring...
kmf
Bob Reeves
> Maybe a Tolkien fan can help you out there.<g> "Mordor" and ... I dunno,
> that's the extent of my JRRT knowledge.<g>
"Moria" is the word you're looking for, if you're thinking of dwarf-caves.
Hm, five letters too.
David Glasser
> J. Robinson Wheeler (whe...@jump.net) wrote:
> > okbl...@usa.net wrote:
>
> > > I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Xyzzy", "Plugh" or "Plover". "Plugh"
> > > is almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to vowel ratio
> > > (though easily pronounced).
>
> > Easily pronounced, perhaps, but there are at least 3 competing official
> > pronunciations: Pluff, Plug, and Ploo. Who needs that?
>
> Nobody else uses the vocalized "gh" sound? (Like the ending of "Bach", but
> voiced.)
You can put me down for that one, at least when I'm thinking about it.
When I'm lazy, it's "plug" like a socket.
(Also: ik-zizzy, gilk, and glulx. (Come on. glulx is so
pronouncable.))
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caves / You can count all the leaves / You can KILL TROLL WITH SWORD /
You'll get stuck but you won't be bored"-Joe.Mason, rec.arts.int-fiction
David Glasser
> Jacob Munkhammar (ja...@stud.ntnu.no) wrote:
>
> : > > I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> : > > programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
>
> I think that "Echo" (not sure who suggested it first) is the best idea so
> far. That would be a great name-- it relates, but it's not too weird,
> obscure, or cheesy. :-)
It's nice, but on the other hand it's the name of a standard Unix (and
DOS, I imagine) program, and is probably used for even more things
already. (Same problem with Bat.)
I like Grunt, myself.
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Jacob Munkhammar
> In article <m3u2uli...@dogslobber.demon.co.uk>,
> Patrick <pat...@dogslobber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Xyzzual Basic
> >
>
> Excuse or no excuse, I think *this* is great!
>
Yes, I almost want to make the syntax more Basic-like, just to be able to
use the name!
Ricardo Dague
>
> Jacob Munkhammar (ja...@stud.ntnu.no) wrote:
>
> : > > I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> : > > programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
>
> I think that "Echo" (not sure who suggested it first) is the best idea so
> far. That would be a great name-- it relates, but it's not too weird,
> obscure, or cheesy. :-)
>
> jdel...@ocean.otr.usm.edu
Yeah, but unfortunately there's already a program in
Linux/Unix and DOS called 'echo'.
I like 'plover' and 'cavish'. What about 'grue', 'welhaus',
or 'mtnking'?
-- Ricardo
William R Sherman
> I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
> able to come up with anything catching.
> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
Okay, I may bit a bit too late for this (I meant to mention this
the last time the IF-CAVE software was mentioned, and also the
time before that), but ...
You may or maynot be aware that there already is a significant
usage of the term CAVE in computer-science to mean a particular
type of VR display device. And in the future, there will be
confusion if both a display device and an IF-engine share the
same name.
Later, vanf...@compuserve.com (Brent VanFossen) writes:
>
> How about Cavern?
>
> Brent VanFossen
In the world of VR, CAVE-Research Network. And the software to
run collaborative VR sessions in a CAVE -- CavernSoft.
FWIW, the software for writing applications for CAVEs is called
the CAVE library (CAVElib for short).
Bill
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Andrew Plotkin
> You may or maynot be aware that there already is a significant
> usage of the term CAVE in computer-science to mean a particular
> type of VR display device. And in the future, there will be
> confusion if both a display device and an IF-engine share the
> same name.
And ZIP is a compression scheme, and etc, etc...
Ever wonder *why* I make up funny names?
--Z
Adam J. Thornton
G v m b ck m v w ls r w ll k ck r ss, Z rf.
'm n t k dd ng.
Stephen Granade
>
> In article <erkyrathF...@netcom.com>,
> Andrew Plotkin <erky...@netcom.com> wrote:
> >Ever wonder *why* I make up funny names?
>
> G v m b ck m v w ls r w ll k ck r ss, Z rf.
*Sometimes* y.
Stephen
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>
> ad...@princeton.edu (Adam J. Thornton) writes:
>
> >
> > In article <erkyrathF...@netcom.com>,
> > Andrew Plotkin <erky...@netcom.com> wrote:
> > >Ever wonder *why* I make up funny names?
> >
> > G v m b ck m v w ls r w ll k ck r ss, Z rf.
>
No. I have them now. Wanna see 'em?
[ieeayoeoIiiyoao]
You can't have them, unless you answer my questions three:
WHAT is your name?
WHAT is your quest?
WHAT is the air speed velocity of a swallow carrying a coconut?
Adam J. Thornton
Stephen Granade <sgra...@lepton.phy.duke.edu> wrote:
>ad...@princeton.edu (Adam J. Thornton) writes:
>> G v m b ck m v w ls r w ll k ck r ss, Z rf.
>
And in this case, certainly. Well, the first one. I guess the second one
is pretty consonantal. Hmmm. Don't make me kick your ass too, Granade.
Adam
Adam J. Thornton
>You can't have them, unless you answer my questions three:
>
>WHAT is your name?
Frank.
>WHAT is your quest?
To ruthlessly crush Jacob Weinstein's head under a mountain of RAIF-POOL
source code. Muahahahahaha!
>WHAT is the air speed velocity of a swallow carrying a coconut?
Um, seven?
Neil Cerutti
ja...@stud.ntnu.no (Jacob Munkhammar) wrote:
> I am trying to find a name for the language used for the
> programs/scripts/conditional events in my coming i-f system, CAVE,
> <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>, but don't seem to be
> able to come up with anything catching.
> The working name, CAVE-pgm, is dull, to say the least... :)
>
> with a wowel or two ;)
>
> much fortune, I'm afraid) having his or her name in an appropriate place
> in the CAVE manual.
>
>
> --
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> Textäventyr: http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/SAK/
> Bugatti: http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/BILsidor/Bugatti/
> Maskiner: PowerMac 4400, Mac LC, Mac Plus, Sinclair Spectrum
Any script for describing an underground cave complex should be written
in "Subtext".
Or you could go with something sort-of related and positive, like "Grapple".
You could be silly and call it "twiddler".
Or use a cool, semi-related acronym abomination:
Deliberate Recursive Object Placement Paradigm Insertion Non Graphic System.
--
Neil Cerutti
ne...@norwich.edu
Doeadeer3
>From: erky...@netcom.com (Andrew Plotkin)
>Date: 4/14/99 10:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Ever wonder *why* I make up funny names?
>
>--Z
Nope.
Doe :-)
Doe doea...@aol.com (formerly known as FemaleDeer)
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Jacob Munkhammar
(William R Sherman) wrote:
> You may or maynot be aware that there already is a significant
> usage of the term CAVE in computer-science to mean a particular
> type of VR display device. And in the future, there will be
> confusion if both a display device and an IF-engine share the
> same name.
>
I didn't know that. Do you have any URL?
However, I think there is room for both a CAVE text adventure engine and a
CAVE VR display device. There isn't much overlapping functionality or use
between the two, so I really cannot see the source for confusion.
There's a geological formation with this name too. ;)
Arcum Dagsson
<rre...@unm.edu> wrote:
There is already a game called Moria. Text-based, too...(You are an @ symbol...)
Same with "Angband"...
--Arcum Dagsson
"What is the point of treating him to a complete sprng-clean,
polishing all the bits and bobs with beeswax, and scrubbing his
terminals with soapy water, if he's going to go all peculiar?"
Fred M. Sloniker
wrote:
>And ZIP is a compression scheme, and etc, etc...
>
>Ever wonder *why* I make up funny names?
It's deliberate.
Jacob Munkhammar
The names Echo and Spelunk are among my favourites. Echo however is - as
pointed out - a quite common program, which - if I rember correctly -
outputs text in a command line environment...
I do like Grunt and Xyzzyal Basic alot, but they both have obvious
disadvantages.
I will from now on use the work-name Y2, but the final name will not be
decided before release of CAVE version 1.0 (which, as it looks now, will
be a little later than May...)
/Jacob
CAVE is at <http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~jacob/JMUNK/eng/CAVE/>.
William R Sherman
> I (William R Sherman) wrote:
>
> > You may or maynot be aware that there already is a significant
> > usage of the term CAVE in computer-science to mean a particular
> > type of VR display device. And in the future, there will be
> > confusion if both a display device and an IF-engine share the
> > same name.
>
> I didn't know that. Do you have any URL?
Yes:
http://www.evl.uic.edu/EVL/VR/
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
and http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/VR/VR/
And for the best VR experience I've ever had:
http://hoback.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~prajlich/caveQuake/
> However, I think there is room for both a CAVE text adventure engine and a
> CAVE VR display device. There isn't much overlapping functionality or use
> between the two, so I really cannot see the source for confusion.
Then you don't see your engine as ever possibly expanding into
the realm of HTML-TADS, or Hugo?
> There's a geological formation with this name too. ;)
Yeah, but I'd have a hard time getting the geologists to change
their ways -- too hard headed.
> /Jacob
Jacob Munkhammar
(William R Sherman) wrote:
> Then you don't see your engine as ever possibly expanding into
> the realm of HTML-TADS, or Hugo?
>
Graphics and/or hypertext is not planned - but who can tell what twists
future will take?
CAVE's focus is on a prose-based experience. OK, perhaps it'll one day be
able to show pictures...
I am not particularly interested in starting history all over -- text
adventures being able to show pictures, then can receive mouse click at
hot-spots in the text or graphics, then text slowly disappearing.....
Today there's (of course) room for the whole range from pure text to click
in pictures and most inbetween; and I know where CAVE belongs. And where I
want to put my effort.
Pure text can be taken much further than where it is today.
Though I love to *play* both ends of the spectrum.
> > There's a geological formation with this name too. ;)
>
> Yeah, but I'd have a hard time getting the geologists to change
> their ways -- too hard headed.
>
Yepp, that bit seems to be set in stone.
/Jacob
Jonadab the Unsightly One
> And ZIP is a compression scheme, and etc, etc...
>
> Ever wonder *why* I make up funny names?
Excellent point.
-- jonadab
Username in email address is dyslexic; correct to jonadab
Jonadab the Unsightly One
> > > I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Xyzzy", "Plugh" or "Plover". "Plugh" is
> > > almost Zarfian-reminiscient with its consonant to vowel ratio (though easily
> > > pronounced).
>
> > Easily pronounced, perhaps, but there are at least 3 competing official
> > pronunciations: Pluff, Plug, and Ploo. Who needs that?
>
> Nobody else uses the vocalized "gh" sound? (Like the ending of "Bach", but
> voiced.)
Okay, so far we have:
Pluff
Plug
Ploo
Plugh (voiced ch)
Ploog
Plugh (aspirated g)
Myself, I pronounce the u similarly an omicron-upsilon dipthong,
which I guess is as close to "oo" as any English construct (although
there's "oo" and then there's "oo"... not to mention OO...) and the
gh as aspiration. So I guess we'd add this to the list:
Plooh
As far as names for your language that you use in CAVE, I'm what
about these:
STAtic Language Allowing Cave To Initiate The Execution (STALACTITE)
Hart (in honour of the writer of the B.C. comic strip)
Mammoth (in honour of the (very) large cave in Kentucky)
Sinkhole (so you can say, "It's not as bad as the name implies...")
Lhimestone
Shandstone (or maybe these would be benchmarks for CAVE systems...)
jmlilzng (to start pronunciation threads)
shopping,movie
Jonadab the Unsightly One
> Adam J. Thornton wrote:
> > Wh b st rd! sh ld p p g d n ! Th s s th v l st f rm
> > f c rc n! s ck nd r m th r dr ss s f nn !
> > r n v l, v l m n!
> >
> > d m
>
> And me without my secret decoder ring...
The scary thing about the English language is that all of the above
CAN be read with just a little effort.
-<[6]>-
>> >
>>
>
>[ieeayoeoIiiyoao]
>
>
>WHAT is your name?
>
>
>WHAT is the air speed velocity of a swallow carrying a coconut?
...of an unladen swallow! (Or were you specifically interested in
*African* swalllows??
--
Be seeing you.
Jonadab the Unsightly One
> > I believe there is some text in CC that says the dwarves built the caves.
You could call the language "dwarf"...
Or how about "mine"?
I suppose "shaft" would have other connotations you don't want...
> > Maybe a Tolkien fan can help you out there.<g> "Mordor" and ... I dunno,
> > that's the extent of my JRRT knowledge.<g>
>
> "Moria" is the word you're looking for, if you're thinking of dwarf-caves.
> Hm, five letters too.
Another couple of obvious possibilities:
Durin
Balrog
I'd avoid Balrog, partly because that's an antagonistic figure, and
partly because it's a word likely to have other obvious meanings to
other people (D&D/RPG crowd -- I don't know for sure, but it's such
an impressive evil being in LOTR that I'd imagine the RPGers have
probably made it a standard monster). Durin, on the other hand,
would probably sound arbitrary to anyone not familiar with LOTR, and
it has a nice sound to it. For those who are familiar with LOTR,
Durin is an heroic figure, but one out of the past. Plus, I believe
he was directly connected with the actual construction of Moria (the
caves), wasn't he?
Dylan O'Donnell
>
> There is also this guy who invented the elves runes; what was his name?
Feanor devised the Elvish script; Daeron the Dwarvish runes. The
former is called the "Tengwar", the latter the "Cirth"; either of
those would make pretty good IF language names. (Better if you can
make up acronyms to go with them, of course.)
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