Harry's connection with Voldemort
Bram
visiting this site. But when I was re-reading the first book for the
second time, something immediately grabbed my attention—and I
formed a very possible hypothesis; Voldemort is Harry’s real
father. Before you blow this post off, consider what I have to say.
Believe me, I hope this is not true as much as the rest of you, not
because it isn’t a cool twist, but because it is so cliché, i.e.
Star Wars.
In chapter 17, “the man with two faces”, Harry asks
Dumbledore a few questions while he’s in the hospital wing. The
first of these is “Well…Voldemort said that he only killed
my mother because she tried to stop him from killing me. But why
would he want to kill me in the first place?” Dumbledore sighs
and says that he cannot tell him this, and that he can’t know
the answer until he is older. Hmmmmm. Now the explanation for this
seems rather simple, right? Voldemort wanted to kill Harry cause he
knew he was gonna be real powerful and could destroy him (like in
Willow). This doesn’t fit, however, because Dumbledore would
have no problem telling Harry this. What is the only thing that a
young kid couldn’t know about with this type of question? The
ultimate bad guy is his father. With all the rumors about book 5
flying about lily potter having been a death-eater this becomes more
likely. She went over to Voldemort, they had an affair, and then she
became good again—but she was pregnant. James, being the good
man he is, would raise the child as his own and no one would have to
know. Voldemort, who likely had been planning to rule as evil with
father and son (or he may not have found out about the pregnancy until
later), now has a son that will be raised as good and will be powerful
enough to destroy him later. He freaks out and goes over to the
Potter’s with the consuming idea of killing Harry. However, the
father-son bond won’t let Voldemort destroy Potter and it turns
against him, hence the scar and the initial plot-starter.
This is further proven with evidence like the wands. The connection
between the two coming from the same phoenix makes more sense with the
father-son connection. Also, the sorting hat has a lot of trouble
deciding between Gryffindor and Slytherin—the tough decision
likely came from his mom’s Gryffindor blood (an assumption I
realize) on one side, and his dad’s (Voldemort’s)
Slytherin blood on the other.
I’ve tried to poke holes in this theory myself, rather
unsuccessfully. I hope you guys can do it, because this would just be
so cliché. It’s bad enough that Harry specifically says a few
times in the first book that he will never go over to the Dark Side.
Thanks for listening.
Pluto (M)
"Bram" <wisp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I am not sure if this has been brought up before since I am new at
> visiting this site. But when I was re-reading the first book for the
> second time, something immediately grabbed my attention—and I
> formed a very possible hypothesis; Voldemort is Harry’s real
> father. Before you blow this post off, consider what I have to say.
> Believe me, I hope this is not true as much as the rest of you, not
> because it isn’t a cool twist, but because it is so cliché, i.e.
> Star Wars.
Yes, it is cliche. In fact, I believe Rowling has dismissed it as a possibility
because it's too much like star wars.
> In chapter 17, “the man with two faces”, Harry asks
> Dumbledore a few questions while he’s in the hospital wing. The
> first of these is “Well…Voldemort said that he only killed
> my mother because she tried to stop him from killing me. But why
> would he want to kill me in the first place?” Dumbledore sighs
> and says that he cannot tell him this, and that he can’t know
> the answer until he is older. Hmmmmm. Now the explanation for this
> seems rather simple, right? Voldemort wanted to kill Harry cause he
> knew he was gonna be real powerful and could destroy him (like in
> Willow). This doesn’t fit, however, because Dumbledore would
> have no problem telling Harry this.
Why? Maybe he doesn't want Harry to get too cocky? If you were told that you
were destined to become a powerful wizard and kill the most powerful dark
wizard... Well, wouldn't you get a little self-assured? It's just like leaving
Harry with the Dursleys so he would learn some humility before becoming a
celebrity. Don't get cocky, don't get a big head, don't be stupid.
> What is the only thing that a
> young kid couldn’t know about with this type of question? The
> ultimate bad guy is his father. With all the rumors about book 5
> flying about lily potter having been a death-eater this becomes more
> likely. She went over to Voldemort, they had an affair, and then she
> became good again—but she was pregnant. James, being the good
Not likely. It is often remarked that Harry looks almost exactly like his
Father, except with his Mother's eyes. Whenever they say this, they are
referring directly to James Potter. Besides, I doubt Voldie spent a whole lot of
time having sex while he was trying to take over the world... Certainly never
with a /Muggle Born/ like Lilly :D
> man he is, would raise the child as his own and no one would have to
> know. Voldemort, who likely had been planning to rule as evil with
> father and son (or he may not have found out about the pregnancy until
> later), now has a son that will be raised as good and will be powerful
> enough to destroy him later. He freaks out and goes over to the
> Potter’s with the consuming idea of killing Harry. However, the
> father-son bond won’t let Voldemort destroy Potter and it turns
> against him, hence the scar and the initial plot-starter.
Cliche. Very very cliche. Rowling's not that lame.
> This is further proven with evidence like the wands. The connection
> between the two coming from the same phoenix makes more sense with the
> father-son connection. Also, the sorting hat has a lot of trouble
> deciding between Gryffindor and Slytherin—the tough decision
> likely came from his mom’s Gryffindor blood (an assumption I
> realize) on one side, and his dad’s (Voldemort’s)
> Slytherin blood on the other.
I think the connection between the wands has more to do with some of Voldie's
powers transferring to Harry when voldie tried to zap him. For this same reason,
Harry can speak Parseltongue.
Rio de Janeiro
What do we know? Keep this in mind though Snap is the good guy all along
even thought he try to kill his student just like "J. K. Rowling" did in
when she was english teacher and was kicked out from portugual.
Pluto (M)
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Okay, you're either an idiot or a troll. Either way, *plonk*
Jake
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Jon Haugsand
> I am not sure if this has been brought up before since I am new at
> visiting this site. But when I was re-reading the first book for the
> second time,
Hmm, does this mean you have read the first book three times? Or even
fourth?
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Jon Haugsand
> I am not sure if this has been brought up before since I am new at
> visiting this site. But when I was re-reading the first book for the
> second time,
Hmm, does this mean you have read the first book three times? Or even
four? (1: first read, 2: first re-read, 3: "second" read, 4: second
re-read,...)
Cheshire55
unsuccessfully. I hope you guys can do it, because this would just be
so cliché. It’s bad enough that Harry specifically says a few
times in the first book that he will never go over to the Dark Side.
Thanks for listening. >>
No problem.... Ok...
<< Harry asks
Dumbledore a few questions while he’s in the hospital wing. The
first of these is “Well…Voldemort said that he only killed
my mother because she tried to stop him from killing me. But why
would he want to kill me in the first place?” Dumbledore sighs
and says that he cannot tell him this, and that he can’t know >>
There are plenty of reasons why Dumbledore couldn't and wouldn't tell Harry
that it's his destiny to kill Voldemort... It's the same reason why he was
brought up with the Dursley's and not by a wizarding family... B/c it's way too
much for a child to bear. He needs to grow into the truth slowly.
<< With all the rumors about book 5
flying about lily potter having been a death-eater this becomes more
likely. She went over to Voldemort, they had an affair, and then she
became good again—but she was pregnant. >>
Not in a bizillion years. Someone like Lily couldn't hide that kind of secret.
She was way to close to Dumbledore. It seems to me that she and James were
"high school sweethearts" so there really wasn't a chance to turn to the "dark
side" get preggo and turn back. I think she and James got married and started a
family soon after Hogwarts.
I do think it strange that he asked Lily to step aside instead of outright
killing her but I don't think it's a ex-lover thing... and Harry was young
enough to turn evil when it happened. He was only 1.
<< This is further proven with evidence like the wands. The connection
between the two coming from the same phoenix makes more sense with the
father-son connection. Also, the sorting hat has a lot of trouble
deciding between Gryffindor and Slytherin—the tough decision
likely came from his mom’s Gryffindor blood (an assumption I
realize) on one side, and his dad’s (Voldemort’s) >>
Ok, this was explained... when Harry survived the attack, some of Voldemort's
power was given to Harry. Like the parseltonge (sp?) and the wand chooses the
wizard. The core of both Voldemorts wand and Harry's are feathers from the same
source. It's not a father son thing. They are just linked by that curse and the
wands by their cores.
Oh and we are fairly sure that Lily had no significant wizard blood to her b/c
her parents were muggles. The heir of Gryffindor wouldn't be born to muggles
(yes I know Voldemort was half muggle but Slythrin's blood came from his mother
who was a witch). I'd suspect James as the heir to Gryffindor and now Harry if
it was anybody but it's not needed to further the story as we know it.
Hope this helps. Oh and I think JKR has state that it wont be a Star Wars
ending. :) Thank goodness. I love Star Wars but that would be a dissapointment.
Of course only JKR knows for sure... :)
Take care.
TTFN,
Jennifer
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"Jake" <hippy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> i read that post as sarcasm... i could be wrong though
I don't think so. Every post I've seen by this guy has been like that. I just
got sick of it.
Andy Platt
> father-son connection. Also, the sorting hat has a lot of trouble
> likely came from his mom's Gryffindor blood (an assumption I
> realize) on one side, and his dad's (Voldemort's)
> Slytherin blood on the other.
The smart money is on Harry turning out to be the last surviving descendent
of Gryffindor (obviously through his father since his mother's parents were
muggles).
Andy.
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