dobby - the greatest wizard??
joos
have forgotten it, including JKR.
It is mentioned in POA and GOF that u cant apparate or dissapparate in
hogwarts grounds. how then does dobby do it in COS? towards the end
after he is freed from lucius by harry? beats me... (is this rule
applicable only for witches and wizards and not for other creatures
like house-elves?)
Richard Eney
The best theory I've seen is simply that house-elf magic is different
from wizard magic.
=Tamar
Ard Rhi
"joos" <empero...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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We don't know that he disapparated. No crack was heard was there? For all we
know, Dobby could simply have become invisible...
Ard Rhi
Regulus Black
But in OotP it says that Harry is sure Dobby can't become invisible.
JKR's word is good enough for me.
Maybe there is really something to this?
Toon
He uses a different teleportation method not blocked.
Richard Eney
Regulus Black <bl...@blahblah.com> wrote:
>"Ard Rhi" <ardrhi[nospam]@earthlink.net(antispam)> wrote:
>>"joos" <empero...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> It is mentioned in POA and GOF that u cant apparate or dissapparate in
>>> hogwarts grounds. how then does dobby do it in COS? towards the end
>>> after he is freed from lucius by harry?
>>
>>We don't know that he disapparated. No crack was heard was there?
>>For all we know, Dobby could simply have become invisible...
>
>But in OotP it says that Harry is sure Dobby can't become invisible.
>JKR's word is good enough for me.
Was that in straight description, or as something Harry believes?
Harry's been wrong before.
>Maybe there is really something to this?
Maybe Dobby can simply run as fast as Fawkes can fly.
=Tamar
Mike Hanson
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:56:38 GMT, "Ard Rhi"
> <ardrhi[nospam]@earthlink.net(antispam)> wrote:
> >"joos" <empero...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:95956187.03103...@posting.google.com...
> >> It is mentioned in POA and GOF that u cant apparate or dissapparate in
> >> hogwarts grounds. how then does dobby do it in COS? towards the end
> >> after he is freed from lucius by harry? beats me... (is this rule
> >> applicable only for witches and wizards and not for other creatures
> >> like house-elves?)
> >
> >We don't know that he disapparated. No crack was heard was there? For all we
> >know, Dobby could simply have become invisible...
>
> But in OotP it says that Harry is sure Dobby can't become invisible.
> JKR's word is good enough for me.
> Maybe there is really something to this?
I concur with Richard here. House-elves have powerful magic of their
own (although they normally need their owners' permission to perform
it). It's different to wizard magic. Dobby doesn't perform a wizarding
Apparation: he performs his own brand of magic which, in this case, is
not barred by the protections surrounding Hogwarts.
Mike.
Markku Uttula
>> It is mentioned in POA and GOF that u cant apparate or
>> dissapparate in hogwarts grounds. how then does dobby do it in
>> COS? towards the end after he is freed from lucius by harry? beats
>> me... (is this rule applicable only for witches and wizards and
>> not for other creatures like house-elves?)
>
> He uses a different teleportation method not blocked.
So it appears the Hogwarts firewalling system is leaking. Apart from
these new apparation methods introduces by l33t 3lf-h4x0rs, the
firewall is too slow to handle all the traffic going on at the floo
network (this was witnessed in OotP... if it had been faster, Umbridge
would have gotten Sirius).
--
Markku Uttula
Ian Patton
Well, I think the only thing you can say for sure is that he is able to do
it be cause the plot required it. :-)
--
Ian Patton C.G., pCurm.
Morpheus
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they depend on teleporting and that elf labour makes Hogwarts run smoothly,
why set up a system that keeps them from functioning?
drusilla
> joos <empero...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > am i the only one who reads Hogwarts, a history? everyone seems to
> > have forgotten it, including JKR.
> >
> > It is mentioned in POA and GOF that u cant apparate or dissapparate in
> > hogwarts grounds. how then does dobby do it in COS? towards the end
> > after he is freed from lucius by harry? beats me... (is this rule
> > applicable only for witches and wizards and not for other creatures
> > like house-elves?)
Maybe they can becasue they are needed in a lot of places in the
castle.
As they are "suposly" loyal to Dumbledore and they "suposely", keep
his secrets (like winky and the Crouchs), there's no danger on give
them the power to do it.
I think, that the protection on Hogwarts about A and D, can be aplied
just for students.
Frank Secada
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I can see it now: Godric Gryffindor takes a break from setting up the Wards
to hit the can in a hurry. Minutes later, "Oh crap! No toilet paper (or
parchment)! And my wand's on the table outside!" As he bellows, "someone get
me some toilet paper!" Binky the house-elf 'pop's in with the proffered
roll, then 'pop's out before he loses consciousness. "Hmm," says Godric,
"maybe I should leave that loophole in the wards, just in case."
Sounds like a plot bunny for a fan-fic, to me. :-)
Kish
If the Hogwarts house-elves can do something like Apparation inside
Hogwarts, that's one thing. If /any/ house-elves can, that's very
dangerous. Lucius wasn't likely the only Death Eater with a house-elf.
Death Eater Dan
There is nothing to indicate that Dobby can teleport out of Hogwarts, only
around it.
Quentin Stephens
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Is it possible that the apparition barrier is a shell? That so long
as the start and destination are within Hogwarts you can apparate?
Kish
> Is it possible that the apparition barrier is a shell? That so long
> as the start and destination are within Hogwarts you can apparate?
No, that wouldn't work. If that was the case, anyone who wanted to
Disapparate from Hogwarts would just Apparate to the edge of the
barrier, step across, and Disapparate there. Snape would certainly
never have asserted that Sirius couldn't Disapparate from where he was held.
Markku Uttula
> There is nothing to indicate that Dobby can teleport out of
> Hogwarts, only around it.
Since you decided to reply to this tongue-in-cheek -posting of mine,
let's stay on the same level...
There is nothing to contradict the assumption either.
So... We're to suppose that during CoS, Dobby, a house-elf that was
serving the Malfoy family at the time, was inside Hogwarts to do his
stunt at the hospital wing...
In case somebody can find a suitable excuse for this, I'm willing to
believe anything under the subject. However, be warned, "suitable" for
me is not something that others might find even remotely suitable :)
--
Markku Uttula
Quentin Stephens
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Good point, but do remember that wizards aren't logical people, as
Hermione noted in PS.
Daniel Speyer
The apparition barrier isn't worth much anyway. Portkeys work in and
out. True, they take a moment to set up, but you can prepare them
ahead of time.
I think the anti-wizardly-apparition field must be a side effect of
some more serious protection (say, a field which prevents a hostile
wizard from d/a-ing the entire campus into the sun).
Troels Forchhammer
>
> Kish <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in
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>>
>> Disapparate from where he was held.
>
> Good point, but do remember that wizards aren't logical people, as
> Hermione noted in PS.
But Snape was the person who had set the task that involved the logical
puzzle that made Hermione make that exact remark. I don't think it
applies to Snape.
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Regulus Black
<Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>Quentin Stephens wrote:
>>
>> Kish <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in
>> news:vtCob.816$u_3...@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com:
>>>
>>> Snape would certainly never have asserted that Sirius couldn't
>>> Disapparate from where he was held.
>>
>> Good point, but do remember that wizards aren't logical people, as
>> Hermione noted in PS.
>
>But Snape was the person who had set the task that involved the logical
>puzzle that made Hermione make that exact remark. I don't think it
>applies to Snape.
Also note that JKR likely wants you to think they aren't logical
people so there is an explaination to slip-ups like this.
If this is indeed a slip-up.
<<Regulus>
Mark Evans
CoS rules this out. To tamper with the bludger Dobby had to get himself
into Hogwarts. Then after confronting Harry in the hospital wing he
had to get himself back to Malfoy Manor, before Lucius or Narcissa
noticed he was missing.
Mark Evans
They might not be in general, but Snape presumably is. Since he set up
the logic puzzle with the potions.
200...@wongfaye.com
> have forgotten it, including JKR.
>
beats me... (is this rule
> applicable only for witches and wizards and not for other creatures
> like house-elves?)
you must not have read it all besides i think even hermiony hasnt read
hogwarts a history as i have a feeling it may be an evolving book
otherwise you would need revisions every year (the p/s stone fiasco
had to be added i'm sureand while harry is there they need adendums
every 6 months
#1 only humans are wizards
a fairy wizard would be redundant as would a elf wizard they have
their own magic
so i guess there are loopholes to all rules i guess ig you could find
a magical creature to be your pal i suppose he could bring you
anywhere or take you from somewhere that is protected from wizard
magic
Tuollaf43
Ofcourse you can apparte within hogwarts. Only not in and out of it.
I mean where the hell are the kids going to learn how to apparate if
the teachers cant teach them in hogwarts?
Frank Secada
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Apparaters Ed in summer school?
Richard Eney
Troels Forchhammer <t...@hogwarts-library.net> wrote:
>Quentin Stephens wrote:
>> Kish <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote
>>> Snape would certainly never have asserted that Sirius couldn't
>>> Disapparate from where he was held.
>>
>> Good point, but do remember that wizards aren't logical people, as
>> Hermione noted in PS.
>
>But Snape was the person who had set the task that involved the logical
>puzzle that made Hermione make that exact remark. I don't think it
>applies to Snape.
Snape was noticeably distraught at that moment, and probably
not thinking as clearly as usual.
I'm assuming of course that he really was distraught, and
not just over-acting as part of a very deep and elaborate
deception orchestrated by Dumbledore.
=Tamar
Richard Eney
Frank Secada <frank....@verizon.net> wrote:
>"Tuollaf43" <tuol...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Ofcourse you can apparte within hogwarts. Only not in and out of it.
>>
>> I mean where the hell are the kids going to learn how to apparate if
>> the teachers cant teach them in hogwarts?
>
>Apparaters Ed in summer school?
Probably... though the twins appear to have learned it with suspicious
speed and ease.
I suspect that Apparation is a special application of a combination
of spells, and that the separate spells are taught routinely at
Hogwarts. You just aren't given the secret of how to combine them
until you're old enough.
=Tamar
Greg Zywicki
> CoS rules this out. To tamper with the bludger Dobby had to get himself
> into Hogwarts. Then after confronting Harry in the hospital wing he
> had to get himself back to Malfoy Manor, before Lucius or Narcissa
> noticed he was missing.
"What's wrong with a kiss, boy? Why not start her off with a nice
kiss? You don't have to go leaping straight for the apparition like a
bull at the gate. Give her a kiss, boy."
Or, to make more sense, What's to stop Dobby from walking in to the
castle? "OOh! OOh! They probably have an anti-outside-elf spell
too."
As for the Malfoys, they wouldn't notice a house elf if he set himself
on fire at the dinner table.
Greg Zywicki
"There was some important stuff hidden in the waffle," Hermione said
gravely.
Troels Forchhammer
>
> In article <3FA456BA...@ThisIsFake.invalid>,
> Troels Forchhammer <t...@hogwarts-library.net> wrote:
>>
>> But Snape was the person who had set the task that involved the logical
>> puzzle that made Hermione make that exact remark. I don't think it
>> applies to Snape.
>
> Snape was noticeably distraught at that moment, and probably
> not thinking as clearly as usual.
I agree - I was commenting on the more general idea of wizards not having
any logic as not applying to Snape, normally (i.e. when he isn't distraught).
> I'm assuming of course that he really was distraught, and not just
> over-acting as part of a very deep and elaborate deception orchestrated
> by Dumbledore.
I think that everything we know points at Snape being truly distraught at
that point ;-)
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Quentin Stephens
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> Quentin Stephens wrote:
>>
>> Kish <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in
>> news:vtCob.816$u_3...@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com:
>>>
>>> Snape would certainly never have asserted that Sirius couldn't
>>> Disapparate from where he was held.
>>
>> Good point, but do remember that wizards aren't logical people,
>> as Hermione noted in PS.
>
> But Snape was the person who had set the task that involved the
> logical puzzle that made Hermione make that exact remark. I
> don't think it applies to Snape.
Did Snape actually set the puzzle or did he just make the potions for
the puzzle? I'll note that Dumbledore's puzzle - wanting the Stone
but not wanting to *use* it - was a VERY cunning piece of logic.