aue Summer Doldrums Competition: Where's the Roo's?
Garry J. Vass
UnderPondia.
Damn it lads, let's look alive down there!
Garry J. Vass
Hale Bopp
Garry J. Vass wrote in message
<5HhYXNAC...@gvass.demon.co.uk>...
Well, I'm alive, in spite of the way I look, but I
am a transplanted yank so I reckon I'm not fair
dinkum.
HB
Garry J. Vass
<n...@home.com> writes
>
>Well, I'm alive, in spite of the way I look, but I
>am a transplanted yank so I reckon I'm not fair
>dinkum.
>
the dirt's deep-shit-no-accounts. Can't trust 'em.
So I repeat, where's the Roo's down there?
Garry J. Vass
Hale Bopp
Garry J. Vass wrote in message ...
>In article
<Cnzd3.16908$PN5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
Hale Bopp
><n...@home.com> writes
>>
>>Well, I'm alive, in spite of the way I look, but
I
>>am a transplanted yank so I reckon I'm not fair
>>dinkum.
>>
>Absolutely. And I thank you for your candour.
Transplanted Yanks are
>the dirt's deep-shit-no-accounts. Can't trust
'em.
>
And thank you for your kind words. What did I do
to deserve them, exactly?
HB
Garry J. Vass
<n...@home.com> writes
>
>And thank you for your kind words. What did I do
>to deserve them, exactly?
>
Garry J. Vass
Perchprism
>From: "Hale Bopp" <n...@home.com>
>Date: Mon, 28 June 1999 04:13 AM EDT
>Message-id: <t3Gd3.17066$PN5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>
>
>
>Garry J. Vass wrote in message ...
>>In article
>Hale Bopp
>><n...@home.com> writes
>>>
>>>Well, I'm alive, in spite of the way I look, but
>I
>>>am a transplanted yank so I reckon I'm not fair
>>>dinkum.
>>>
>>Absolutely. And I thank you for your candour.
>Transplanted Yanks are
>>the dirt's deep-shit-no-accounts. Can't trust
>'em.
>>
>
>
>to deserve them, exactly?
>
He's one himself, dummy.
Perchprism
(Southern New Jersey, near Philadelphia, USA)
Hale Bopp
Perchprism wrote in message
<19990628062441...@ng-ck1.aol.com>...
Which? Transplanted Yank or the dirt's
deep-shit-no-account? They're not always
equivalent.
But thanks, I suspected that to be the case.
And what's the point of being a newbie if you
can't be a dummy?
HB
Peter Moylan
>We still need a Totally Official aue Panel Member to represent
>UnderPondia.
>
>Damn it lads, let's look alive down there!
What summer doldrums? For that matter, what summer? I think
I must have missed a crucial message.
I'm here, and I'm pretty sure I've noticed John and Raymot hanging
around lately. Maybe a few others. Whether we're totally official
is, of course, an entirely separate question.
Do you take proxies? I have a wife and two children roaming
Europe at the moment. Well, actually they're roaming Antwerp,
but I suppose that's at least some approximation to the whole
of Europe.
--
Peter Moylan pe...@ee.newcastle.edu.au
Garry J. Vass
<pe...@pjm2.newcastle.edu.au> writes
>Garry J. Vass <Ga...@gvass.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>We still need a Totally Official aue Panel Member to represent
>>UnderPondia.
>>
>>Damn it lads, let's look alive down there!
>
>What summer doldrums? For that matter, what summer? I think
>I must have missed a crucial message.
>
What a dolt I've been! Of course underPondia is reversed. Oy. It must
be the sheep finally getting to me...
>I'm here, and I'm pretty sure I've noticed John and Raymot hanging
>around lately. Maybe a few others. Whether we're totally official
>is, of course, an entirely separate question.
>
You're IN, Peter! Thank goodness. That puts a Totally Official aue
Panel Member in all the time zones except the Eastern Seaboard (hurry
up, Robert!). Stand by...
Garry J. Vass
John Holmes
Garry J. Vass wrote in message ...
>So I repeat, where's the Roo's down there?
It's school holiday time down here, mate. We've all gone away.
Regards,
John.
Garry J. Vass
<pe...@pjm2.newcastle.edu.au> writes
>Garry J. Vass <Ga...@gvass.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>We still need a Totally Official aue Panel Member to represent
>>UnderPondia.
>>
>>Damn it lads, let's look alive down there!
>
>What summer doldrums? For that matter, what summer? I think
>I must have missed a crucial message.
>
What a dolt I've been. Of course it's reversed down there. Ah well,
welcome aboard, Peter! Glad to have you.
Garry J. Vass
JB
> Peter Moylan writes
> >Garry J. Vass wrote:
> >>We still need a Totally Official aue Panel Member to represent
> >>UnderPondia.
> >>
[...]
> You're IN, Peter! Thank goodness. That puts a Totally Official aue
> Panel Member in all the time zones except the Eastern Seaboard (hurry
> up, Robert!). Stand by...
Which Eastern Seaboard?
I have a comment on all these right-, left- and under-pondia
references. When visiting Australia I saw world maps on sale drawn with
South to the top and proudly labelling Australia as "Top of the World!"
The Northern Hemisphere, of course, spread along the bottom of the map.
On such a map, the right-, left- and under-pondia references are all
wrong.
Given the fact that North-to-the-top is a purely arbitrary standard
probably reflecting the cartographers' cultural biases, shouldn't
a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
LRUD?
Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
--JB
Brian J Goggin
wrote:
[...]
>Given the fact that North-to-the-top is a purely arbitrary standard
>probably reflecting the cartographers' cultural biases, shouldn't
>a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
>LRUD?
>
>Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
>subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
They know their place.
bjg
James H. Goulder Jr.
: I have a comment on all these right-, left- and under-pondia
: references. When visiting Australia I saw world maps on sale drawn with
: South to the top and proudly labelling Australia as "Top of the World!"
: The Northern Hemisphere, of course, spread along the bottom of the map.
: On such a map, the right-, left- and under-pondia references are all
: wrong.
: Given the fact that North-to-the-top is a purely arbitrary standard
: probably reflecting the cartographers' cultural biases,
Or were they just under-handed?
: shouldn't
: a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
: LRUD?
: Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
: subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
Perhaps they don't wish to disturb the Poles?
- Jim Goulder
Caldew
ina.rr.com> writes
snip...
>
>Given the fact that North-to-the-top is a purely arbitrary standard
>a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
>LRUD?
>
>Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
>subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
It is a well-known scientific fact that the polarity of the earth's
magnetic field "flips" enery centi-aeon or so; this can be seen from the
magnetism trapped in the rocks on either side of mid-oceanic ridges.
This clearly gives a natural frame of reference to the world, and at
present, North is at the top.
Presumably, when the next flip occurs, we'll have to turn the maps
upside-down.
Personally, I don't like this left- and right- "pondian" nomenclature,
either, as it depends entirely on which way you're looking at the map.
I far prefer the more classical, and to my mind more natural, trans- and
cis- modifiers, so I'll continue using those.
Kir M'Djinn If you haven't anything good to say about anyone, come
and sit by me.
Mike Barnes
>I have a comment on all these right-, left- and under-pondia
>references. When visiting Australia I saw world maps on sale drawn with
>South to the top and proudly labelling Australia as "Top of the World!"
Hmmm. Maps with the writing upside-down. How quaint.
>The Northern Hemisphere, of course, spread along the bottom of the map.
>On such a map, the right-, left- and under-pondia references are all
>wrong.
Only if you hold it upside-down (to make the writing easier to read).
>Given the fact that North-to-the-top is a purely arbitrary standard
>probably reflecting the cartographers' cultural biases, shouldn't
>a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
>LRUD?
If you can work out on which side of the Atlantic Ocean Australia is,
good luck to you, I say!
>Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
>subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
They're too nice.
--
-- Mike Barnes, Stockport, England.
-- If you post a response to Usenet, please *don't* send me a copy by e-mail.
paul draper
>
>Personally, I don't like this left- and right- "pondian" nomenclature,
>either, as it depends entirely on which way you're looking at the map.
>I far prefer the more classical, and to my mind more natural, trans- and
>cis- modifiers, so I'll continue using those.
So are you cis-Atlantean (Atlantic?) or trans-Atlantean? I know I'm
cis-Atlantean but the trans-Atlanteans might disagree.
Paul Draper
Caldew
<pdr...@baig.co.uk> writes
Cis-Atlantean, definitely. I don't see why they should. It's a
question of where the civilization diffused from, after all. Roman
citizens born or living in trans-Alpine Gaul were quite happy calling it
that, even when they were there. Several Emperors were born in trans-
Alpine provinces, and after they came to the throne there was no
nonsense about looking down on people with non-metropolitan origins.
There's nothing to be ashamed of in being a trans-Atlantean; I've met
many pleasant ones; of course, I wouldn't want my daughter to marry one.
Bob Lipton
>
> Caldew wrote in message ...
> >
> >Personally, I don't like this left- and right- "pondian" nomenclature,
> >either, as it depends entirely on which way you're looking at the map.
> >I far prefer the more classical, and to my mind more natural, trans- and
> >cis- modifiers, so I'll continue using those.
>
> So are you cis-Atlantean (Atlantic?) or trans-Atlantean? I know I'm
> cis-Atlantean but the trans-Atlanteans might disagree.
I think we should formalize the nomenclature as Cispondane Anglophonia
and Transpondane Anglophonia. With emphasis on the '-phoni-'
Bob
a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca
Goggin) wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:03:55 GMT, JB <EMAILTO...@carolina.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Given the fact that North-to-the-top is a purely arbitrary standard
>>probably reflecting the cartographers' cultural biases, shouldn't
>>a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
>>LRUD?
>>
>>Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
>>subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
>
>They know their place.
>
>bjg
>
That's not it: rather, they are caught so often with their pants
down that scrutiny is detested. The lust for the tourist dollar
may be changing this.
Bertel Lund Hansen
>probably reflecting the cartographers' cultural biases, shouldn't
>a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
>LRUD?
>Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
>subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
Why don't you follow your own advice? It should be "south in
arms" (I take it you don't mean "north in arms" but I'm not
really sure).
Bertel
--
Denmark, Europe
http://home6.inet.tele.dk/blh/ (in Danish only)
Skitt
Caldew <post...@reticulate.net> wrote in message
news:pBrgZJAV...@gmot.demon.co.uk...
> There's nothing to be ashamed of in being a trans-Atlantean; I've met
> many pleasant ones; of course, I wouldn't want my daughter to marry one.
I have lived among them for quite some time now. I even married a couple of
them -- not at the same time, of course. They were nice, at times.
--
Skitt (on Florida's Space Coast) http://skitt.i.am/
CAUTION: My veracity is under a limited warranty
Caldew
James H. Goulder Jr.
: paul draper wrote:
:>
:> Caldew wrote in message ...
:> >
:> >Personally, I don't like this left- and right- "pondian" nomenclature,
:> >either, as it depends entirely on which way you're looking at the map.
:> >I far prefer the more classical, and to my mind more natural, trans- and
:> >cis- modifiers, so I'll continue using those.
:>
:> So are you cis-Atlantean (Atlantic?) or trans-Atlantean? I know I'm
:> cis-Atlantean but the trans-Atlanteans might disagree.
: I think we should formalize the nomenclature as Cispondane Anglophonia
: and Transpondane Anglophonia. With emphasis on the '-phoni-'
So we have to choose between being 'cis-y's' or transients?
- Jim Goulder
Fabian
nomenclature,
> > >either, as it depends entirely on which way you're looking at the
map.
> > >I far prefer the more classical, and to my mind more natural,
trans- and
> > >cis- modifiers, so I'll continue using those.
> >
> > So are you cis-Atlantean (Atlantic?) or trans-Atlantean? I know I'm
> > cis-Atlantean but the trans-Atlanteans might disagree.
>
> I think we should formalize the nomenclature as Cispondane Anglophonia
> and Transpondane Anglophonia. With emphasis on the '-phoni-'
Would Strine be Subpondane Anglophonia?
--
---
Fabian
English is essentially Old Friesian as spoken by a Frankified
Danish mercenary who studied Latin and Ancient Greek at school
and is currently on a round the world journey
JB
>
> In article <377A86A4...@carolina.rr.com>, JB <EMAILTOjobolin@carol
> ina.rr.com> writes
> snip...
> >
> >a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
> >LRUD?
> >
> >Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
> >subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
>
> magnetic field "flips" enery centi-aeon or so;
How often is that in dog-years?
> this can be seen from the
> magnetism trapped in the rocks on either side of mid-oceanic ridges.
> This clearly gives a natural frame of reference to the world, and at
> present, North is at the top.
I was unaware that maps had magnetism of their own, necessitating their
page-top to be north-aligned. Actually that's a good idea, eliminating
the need for a separate compass.
> Presumably, when the next flip occurs, we'll have to turn the maps
> upside-down.
No, not upside-down; we would have to turn the maps *over* so they'll be
right-side-up for the new magnetic field orientation. Perhaps those
Australia-at-the-top maps were prepared in anticipation of an imminent
pole-flip. But that can't be, since the south pole was shown at the
top.
> Personally, I don't like this left- and right- "pondian" nomenclature,
> either, as it depends entirely on which way you're looking at the map.
> I far prefer the more classical, and to my mind more natural, trans- and
> cis- modifiers, so I'll continue using those.
Wouldn't everyone have to refer to themselves as cis-pondians? Except
for expatriates, of course.
--JB
Peter Moylan
>I have a comment on all these right-, left- and under-pondia
>references. When visiting Australia I saw world maps on sale drawn with
>South to the top and proudly labelling Australia as "Top of the World!"
>The Northern Hemisphere, of course, spread along the bottom of the map.
>On such a map, the right-, left- and under-pondia references are all
>wrong.
It's slightly more complicated than that. World maps published in
Australia have the Asia/Pacific region more or less in the centre.
If you orient such a map with the north at the top, America ends up
on the far right and the British Isles are considerably left of
centre. As a result, all these left- and right-pondian references
that some of you are fond of making end up back-to-front for us.
It's terribly confusing.
To make matters worse, the pond in question doesn't figure prominently
on our maps. It's stuck right at the edge of the world, where the
water falls off and onto the backs of the turtles.
Turning the map so that Antarctica is at the top solves the problem
somewhat. It still doesn't hold the water in the pond, but at least
it fixes the left/right problem.
Unfortunately, it creates another problem. With this orientation the
map gives undue prominence to New Zealand. We're not ready to
spread these maps around the world until we've figured out how to
put the Kiwis back in their place.
Getting the details right is a matter of balancing conflicting
objectives. Consider, for example, the irritating habit the Russians
have of writing some of their letters back to front. Solving this
problem requires a flip rather than a twist. Our cartographers
claim to have a solution to the problem - something to do with
viewing the world from the inside - but the solution will not be
released until they reach agreement on the pronunciation of
RNCCOP.
>Why aren't all the Southern Hemisphere countries up in arms over this
>subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
Up in arms? We can't; we need our arms for walking.
--
Peter Moylan pe...@ee.newcastle.edu.au
Larry Phillips
> Cis-Atlantean, definitely. I don't see why they should. It's a
> question of where the civilization diffused from, after all.
Civilization doesn't 'diffuse'. It springs up when the folks move away
and start doing things right.
Albert Marshall
>Caldew wrote:
>>
>> In article <377A86A4...@carolina.rr.com>, JB <EMAILTOjobolin@carol
>> ina.rr.com> writes
>> snip...
>> >
>> >Given the fact that North-to-the-top is a purely arbitrary standard
>> >probably reflecting the cartographers' cultural biases, shouldn't
>> >a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
>> >LRUD?
>> >
>> >subtle but pervasive form of discrimination?
>>
>> magnetic field "flips" enery centi-aeon or so;
>
>How often is that in dog-years?
>
--
Albert Marshall
Michael Cargal
>I was unaware that maps had magnetism of their own, necessitating their
>page-top to be north-aligned. Actually that's a good idea, eliminating
>the need for a separate compass.
It's a recent innovation. They put it in the compass rose. Some of the
newer ones have true rather than magnetic compass roses.
--
Michael Cargal car...@cts.com
JB
Such a bother to reprint the maps each time the polarity flips, isn't
it? --JB
Noah Claypole
JB <EMAILTO...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:377A86A4...@carolina.rr.com...
> Given the fact that North-to-the-top is a purely arbitrary standard
> probably reflecting the cartographers' cultural biases, shouldn't
> a.u.e.'s pond terminology be changed to compass directions instead of
> LRUD?
>
the correct terms would be "LeftLandia", "RightLandia", and "UnderLandia".
This is the sort of classic misnomer that may well lead to an "Atlantis"
myth in the year 2525.
a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca
An interesting date that, which may well be defensible on
historical grounds. But only here are nonsenses considered
classic.