[PL] 2004 General Discussion
Susan Bugher
This thread is for general discussion.
The Nominations page is here:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
The election schedule and procedures are here:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
and are repeated below.
Susan
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This is the timetable for the 2004 vote.
NOMINATIONS (2 weeks): November 3 - November 16, 2003
DISCUSSION (2 weeks): November 17 - November 30, 2003
VOTING (1 week): December 1 - December 7, 2003
POST-VOTE DISCUSSION (1 week): December 8 - December 14, 2003
FINAL LISTED POSTED: December 15, 2003
NOMINATIONS
The Pricelessware List is the compilation of the favorite Freeware
programs of the readers of alt.comp.freeware. The programs picked are
not meant to be an exhaustive list of the best available Freeware, but
rather an answer to the often asked "which _____ is best?"
We are selecting the best of the best in Windows programs.
Pricelessware programs may not contain adware or spyware. The program
should be one of the best Freeware programs available.
Sub-categories are provided for ease of reference, but it is NOT the
goal of the Pricelessware vote to come up with a program to fit every
category.
If a program is nominated in more than one category the most appropriate
category will be determined during the discussion period. Programs will
be listed only once on the ballot.
note: Please nominate programs in an existing category and sub-category.
(A new sub-category may be suggested if all the existing sub-categories
seem inappropriate.)
The preceding year's Pricelessware programs are nominated automatically.
All nominations must have a second to be placed on the ballot. (Two
nominations of the same program are considered a nomination and a second.)
In addition, each program must have a complete description and
description review. The description *should* be prepared by the person
who nominates the program and reviewed by the person who seconds a
nomination. Someone else *may* prepare the description and/or review in
order to qualify the program for a place on the ballot.
VOTING
Vote *only* for the programs that you feel merit inclusion on the list.
If you want to vote for 3 different e-mail programs because you believe
all 3 deserve to be on the list, then vote for those 3. Conversely, if
in your opinion none of the programs listed merit inclusion, do not cast
a vote.
FINAL SELECTION
A program must receive at least 2 votes to qualify for inclusion on the PL.
In categories where several programs received enough votes to qualify,
only the top vote getters will be picked.
If you find that there is a glaring omission, please post it in the
appropriate thread. If there is support for inclusion, an overlooked
program will be added to the list.
If you feel that a program selected for the PL is not a good choice,
please post:
Program Name
Category
Objections
If there is support for removal, a program which has been voted in will
be removed from the list.
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PL2003: http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/about2003PL.htm
PL2004 Review: http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ (short) - maintained by John F.
http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
stan
says...
>snip<
>In categories where several programs received enough votes to qualify,
>only the top vote getters will be picked.
>snip<
what it the number of programs allowed in each
category before the rest get dropped?
Regards
stan
»Q«
nominate and second programs. In the case of carryover programs from
the 2003 PL, I think that's fine, since any second means there is one
person who wants it on the ballot, which is all that is needed. But in
the case of new nominations and seconds of them, such anonymous posts
should not be counted.
I really hope this kind of thing does not arise during the actual
voting.
--
»Q«
"KEEP BIG BROTHER'S HANDS OFF THE INTERNET"
By Senator John Ashcroft
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Tiger
news:MrQ94289FA6E...@QsFQDN.dyndns.org:
> I see that someone is using an anonymous remailer to attempt to
> nominate and second programs. In the case of carryover programs
> from the 2003 PL, I think that's fine, since any second means
> there is one person who wants it on the ballot, which is all that
> is needed. But in the case of new nominations and seconds of
> them, such anonymous posts should not be counted.
>
Agreed.
--
Tiger
"Flowing water never stagnates."
- Chinese proverb
Susan Bugher
> I see that someone is using an anonymous remailer to attempt to
> nominate and second programs. In the case of carryover programs from
> the 2003 PL, I think that's fine, since any second means there is one
> person who wants it on the ballot, which is all that is needed. But in
> the case of new nominations and seconds of them, such anonymous posts
> should not be counted.
>
> I really hope this kind of thing does not arise during the actual
> voting.
Hi Q,
My inclination is to include these nominations and seconds for now and
wait for the discussion period to decide which posts/ programs should be
thrown out. I think it would be good idea for everyone to keep a list of
any suspect posts.
Just my initial thoughts - comments are welcome.
Susan
Susan Bugher
> what it the number of programs allowed in each
> category before the rest get dropped?
http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/about2003PL.htm
Read the first paragraph. :)
Susan
Susan Bugher
> The Nominations page is here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
> The election schedule and procedures are here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
A brief progress report. The Nominations page was just updated - seconds
to existing programs reflect the latest information. Updating for new
nominations and seconds to new nominations is going more slowly - please
bear with me . . .
Susan
»Q«
<news:vqdnhg6...@corp.supernews.com>:
>> someone is using an anonymous remailer to attempt to nominate and
>> second programs.
> My inclination is to include these nominations and seconds for now
> and wait for the discussion period to decide which posts/ programs
> should be thrown out. I think it would be good idea for everyone
> to keep a list of any suspect posts.
>
> Just my initial thoughts - comments are welcome.
I don't know how to respond to this other than to ask why you think
anonymous nominations should be tentatively accepted.
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in
> <news:vqdnhg6...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
>
>>>someone is using an anonymous remailer to attempt to nominate and
>>>second programs.
>
>
>>My inclination is to include these nominations and seconds for now
>>and wait for the discussion period to decide which posts/ programs
>>should be thrown out. I think it would be good idea for everyone
>>to keep a list of any suspect posts.
>>
>>Just my initial thoughts - comments are welcome.
>
>
> I don't know how to respond to this other than to ask why you think
> anonymous nominations should be tentatively accepted.
Bear in mind that I'm not too bright about this kind of thing.
Aren't there other ways to try to wreak havoc with the selection process
- sock puppets etc.
Advice is most appreciated.
»Q«
<news:3fa6e1e4$0$29713$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>:
> Was this enacted in previous nominations? If not, I don't see why
> we should start now as any artificial inflation of a program would
> be fairly obvious.
Allowing people very easily to second their own nominations essentially
removes the requirement for seconds. AFAIK the requirement that
nominations be seconded is only to keep the ballot from becoming
overloaded with too many apps; it makes voting, counting, and
reviewing the vote are less cumbersome tasks. I agree with you that it
will be all sorted out during the post-vote discussion period, but
it'll make that review process a bit more complicated.
»Q«
> Nominations are now open for the the 2004 Pricelessware list.
<mode control-freak-moderator-wannabe>
Discussions are taking place in the nominations threads. Let's try
hard not to let that happen, so that Susan, Genna, and whoever else
wants to will have an easier time keeping up with the nomination
process.
</mode>
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in
> <news:vqb68m9...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
>
>>Nominations are now open for the the 2004 Pricelessware list.
>
>
> <mode control-freak-moderator-wannabe>
>
> Discussions are taking place in the nominations threads. Let's try
> hard not to let that happen, so that Susan, Genna, and whoever else
> wants to will have an easier time keeping up with the nomination
> process.
>
> </mode>
a small voice from deep down in the salt mines was heard to reply:
Thank you! ;)
Susan
Boomer
> I see that someone is using an anonymous remailer to attempt to
> nominate and second programs. In the case of carryover programs
> from the 2003 PL, I think that's fine, since any second means
> there is one person who wants it on the ballot, which is all
> that is needed. But in the case of new nominations and seconds
> of them, such anonymous posts should not be counted.
>
> I really hope this kind of thing does not arise during the
> actual voting.
Agreed!!
»Q«
>> I don't know how to respond to this other than to ask why you
>> think anonymous nominations should be tentatively accepted.
>
> Bear in mind that I'm not too bright about this kind of thing.
>
> Aren't there other ways to try to wreak havoc with the selection
> process - sock puppets etc.
>
> Advice is most appreciated.
Yes, there are other ways, including sock puppets. You'll forgive me
if I don't go into details on how to screw up the process. ;)
Most of the other ways leave some clues, whereas anonymous remailers
don't. The voting itself is where tampering could do real harm; if
it's attempted then, we have got to sniff it out, and the clues would
include clues posted during nominations. One of the effects of
allowing anonymous nominations is to pretty much remove the possibility
of clues being posted before voting starts.
John Corliss
> »Q« wrote:
>
>> I see that someone is using an anonymous remailer to attempt to
>> nominate and second programs. In the case of carryover programs from
>> the 2003 PL, I think that's fine, since any second means there is one
>> person who wants it on the ballot, which is all that is needed. But in
>> the case of new nominations and seconds of them, such anonymous posts
>> should not be counted.
>>
>> I really hope this kind of thing does not arise during the actual
>> voting.
>
>
> Hi Q,
>
> My inclination is to include these nominations and seconds for now and
> wait for the discussion period to decide which posts/ programs should be
> thrown out. I think it would be good idea for everyone to keep a list of
> any suspect posts.
>
> Just my initial thoughts - comments are welcome.
I think all posts from anonymous remailers should be invalid as votes,
nominations and seconds. However, perhaps a page could be set up to
list programs that were suggested via anon remailers and then others
could nominate the program if they thought that they merited it.
How are you going to deal with sock puppets though?
--
Regards from John Corliss
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's posts
because I have him killfiled.
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> The Nominations page is here:
>>
>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>>
>> The election schedule and procedures are here:
>>
>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
In case anyone is wondering why many new nominations have no category . . .
I am entering the program name, nomination and seconding info *first* -
I'll go back and add the other data when time permits.
In some cases the *official* name of the program is different from the
name used to nominate it. I'll start using the cross-ref. column to note
the *nomination* name/names when I make a change. (I have only checked a
small number of names to date.)
A game was nominated. Games are not a permitted category on the PL. Our
sister newsgroup - alt.comp.freeware.games - has a *best* list:
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze25yrg/ACFGR/ACFGR.html
NOTE: Removal of other inappropriate nominations will be discussed
during the discussion period.
Andy Mabbett
<jcor...@secrewspam.to#> writes
>I think all posts from anonymous remailers should be invalid as votes,
>nominations and seconds.
That's your personal pinion again, right?
> However, perhaps a page could be set up to list programs that were
>suggested via anon remailers and then others could nominate the program
>if they thought that they merited it.
More control- freakery.
>How are you going to deal with sock puppets though?
How did you deal with them in the "votes" (sic) which you held?
--
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Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>>
>>> The Nominations page is here:
>>>
>>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>>>
>>> The election schedule and procedures are here:
>>>
>>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
> NOTE: Removal of other inappropriate nominations will be discussed
> during the discussion period.
FURTHER NOTE: Some PCmag utilities were nominated. All PCmag utilities
were *removed* from PL2003 since there is now a charge to access them. I
have *not* listed the nominations. Further discussion, if any seems
necessary, can be posted in this thread at this time.
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> My inclination is to include these nominations and seconds for now and
>> wait for the discussion period to decide which posts/ programs should
>> be thrown out. I think it would be good idea for everyone to keep a
>> list of any suspect posts.
> I think all posts from anonymous remailers should be invalid as votes,
> nominations and seconds. However, perhaps a page could be set up to list
> programs that were suggested via anon remailers and then others could
> nominate the program if they thought that they merited it.
>
> How are you going to deal with sock puppets though?
Well, preferably *not* by giving them lessons - which I think would be
the inevitable result if we have an in-depth discussion now.
Specific objections can be raised during the discussion period. We have
had late nominations and seconds in past years - if such are *needed* we
have a precedent.
John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
>>
>> How are you going to deal with sock puppets though?
>
> Well, preferably *not* by giving them lessons - which I think would be
> the inevitable result if we have an in-depth discussion now.
Good point. What I should have said was, "You might have problems with
sock puppet votes, so you might want to keep an eye out for them somehow."
Susan Bugher
> The Nominations page is here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part of the
selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along. Thanks to
*everyone* for helping to make the process go so smoothly. :) :) :)
FYI: There were 470 programs on the nominations list at last count.
I have entered the descriptions for half of the new nominations. To
celebrate this milestone :) I created a revised set of PL2004 pages
which include the new nominations. (New programs that don't have a
subcategory yet are at the top of the page.)
NOTE: The Category Index page is an exception (I probably won't update
that page until we have the final list of subcategories.)
The Alphabetical list has a column for date revised. New nominations
have either an x or TNB in that column. The programs I have updated are
noted as x (the others are marked TBD.)
Susan
Spacey Spade
>In addition, each program must have a complete description and
>description review. The description *should* be prepared by the person
>who nominates the program and reviewed by the person who seconds a
>nomination. Someone else *may* prepare the description and/or review in
>order to qualify the program for a place on the ballot.
What is a "description review"?
Boomer
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> The Nominations page is here:
>>
>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
> As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part
> of the selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along.
> Thanks to *everyone* for helping to make the process go so
> smoothly. :) :) :)
>
> FYI: There were 470 programs on the nominations list at last
> count.
[snip]
>
> Susan
I certainly appreciate all your hard work!!!!!! :)
Thank you, Susan!
Tiger
news:MPG.1a139f42...@news.east.earthlink.net:
I'd say her second sentence defines it.
Susan Bugher
Just what it sounds like. :) After the description has been added to the
PL2004 web page someone checks to make sure that the info is correct,
the links work etc.
so I don't enter the wrong program description . . .
again . . . ;)
Susan
Susan Bugher
Thank *you* Boomer - I needed that . . . ;)
omega
> Nominations are now open for the the 2004 Pricelessware list.
>
> This thread is for general discussion.
>
> The Nominations page is here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
> The election schedule and procedures are here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
>
> and are repeated below.
Susan,
I downloaded the P site, so to have good access to viewing the categories
layout, as well as descriptions of last year's winners.
For the current happenings, I'm thinking of doing something like making
myself an htm page, containing links to the dynamic pages related to the
2004 PL proceedings.
I know you've listed such pages variously in these threads; but if you
might be kind enough to relist those dynamic pages en masse here, I'd
know to have what's most complete.
. . .
(If my request leads you point me to some MID in acf, or URL at the P
site, with a commandment to rtfm, well er apologies in advance. :-o )
--
Karen S.
Susan Bugher
Would I do a thing like that? . . . yes . . . <evil grin>
The nominations link (below) has working links to all the other PL2004
pages. Anything that's *not* in PL2004 should have a link on the PL2003
info page (I think).
Now tell me what part of your question I didn't understand? ;)
enicholssprint
The Nomination for Erunt (Emergency Recovery Utility NT)
Languages = English, German, Italian, Russian, Brazilian Portuguese,
French, Spanish (Latin American), Polish. (Note - You can download
English or German versions and then for all the other languages, you have
to download an additional Language file and unzip it into the Erunt
Folder.)
Description = Erunt allows a complete backup and restore of the Registry
for Windows NT 4.0 and all following versions based on the NT kernel
(2000, XP)
--
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http://www.zagadoo.com/
ready...@zagadoo.com
Genna Reeney
>
> As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part of
> the selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along. Thanks
> to
> *everyone* for helping to make the process go so smoothly. :) :) :)
;) Good figuring so far.
--
Cheers,
Genna
Son Of Spy
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Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> The Nominations page is here:
>>
>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
> The Alphabetical list has a column for date revised. New nominations
> have either an x or TNB in that column. The programs I have updated are
> noted as x (the others are marked TBD.)
I just uploaded another set of pages - I believe the descriptions etc.
etc. are current now (soon to change no doubt) . . . :)
Susan
--
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Gord McFee
<news:vqj5leo...@corp.supernews.com>, Susan Bugher wrote:
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> The Nominations page is here:
>>
>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
> As many of you know this is the first time I have done this part of the
> selection process and I am figuring it out as I go along. Thanks to
> *everyone* for helping to make the process go so smoothly. :) :) :)
>
> FYI: There were 470 programs on the nominations list at last count.
>
> I have entered the descriptions for half of the new nominations. To
> celebrate this milestone :) I created a revised set of PL2004 pages
> which include the new nominations. (New programs that don't have a
> subcategory yet are at the top of the page.)
You da girl, girl.
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Susan Bugher
> I don't post direct to Usenet (please do not publish my E-mail) but would
> like to nominate the Microhouse IDE/CMOS Backup utilities for the 2004
> Pricelessware list.
>
> Category: System Utilities, SysInfo Backup (new?); Freeware; English
> OS: DOS + Win9x/ME DOS box.
>
> Text: MHIDE97.ZIP is a collection of Free IDE/CMOS utilities from
> Microhouse (1997) to Query, Swap, Save and Restore System areas (MBR,
> FAT, etc.) to Floppy/elsewhere (includes CMOS & Extended CMOS). (191kB)
> Note: The main programs (IDE/info, Save & Restore) are full-screen
> interactive type programs that will display everything one needs to
> know for each step. All work great with Drives up to 40GB (tested). A
> set of "Help" files (*.txt) are also included for reference.
>
> Source: http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/m/cmech617/mhide97.zip
AFAIK this is a sincere request from a regular ACF lurker.
IMO nominations *must* be posted directly to the alt.comp.freeware
newsgroup.
Is anyone familiar with the program? Does someone have the time to
evaluate it? Perhaps nominate it?
Comments?
Sietse Fliege
> The PL links button received this request:
>
>> I don't post direct to Usenet (please do not publish my E-mail) but
>> would like to nominate the Microhouse IDE/CMOS Backup utilities for
>> the 2004 Pricelessware list.
>>
>> Category: System Utilities, SysInfo Backup (new?); Freeware; English
>> OS: DOS + Win9x/ME DOS box.
>>
>> Text: MHIDE97.ZIP is a collection of Free IDE/CMOS utilities from
>> Microhouse (1997) to Query, Swap, Save and Restore System areas (MBR,
>> FAT, etc.) to Floppy/elsewhere (includes CMOS & Extended CMOS).
>> (191kB) Note: The main programs (IDE/info, Save & Restore) are
>> full-screen interactive type programs that will display everything
>> one needs to know for each step. All work great with Drives up to
>> 40GB (tested). A set of "Help" files (*.txt) are also included for
>> reference.
>>
>> Source: http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/m/cmech617/mhide97.zip
>
> AFAIK this is a sincere request from a regular ACF lurker.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was an occasional poster in '99-'01.
> IMO nominations *must* be posted directly to the alt.comp.freeware
> newsgroup.
As a rule, yes, IMO. But you know rules... ;)
> Is anyone familiar with the program? Does someone have the time to
> evaluate it? Perhaps nominate it?
>
> Comments?
>
> Susan
I just needed to have a look at the descriptions (*and dates* !) :
MHIDE - IDE Identification Utility Version 3.00 (c) 1991-1994
This program uses the IDE Identify Drive Command to get information
on the drive's manufacturer, model, serial number, firmware revision,
logical heads, cylinders, and sectors, and other specifications.
MHPARK V1.1 - DRIVEPRO DRIVE HEAD PARKING PROGRAM (c) 1992
MH-RESTR - Important Information Restoration Utility V2.00 (c) 1991-1993
This program is used to restore all or parts of a backup of vital system
information created by the companion utility "MH-SAVE". It can be used
to recover damaged partition tables, file allocation tables, boot
records, root directories, CMOS date and time, the rest of the normal
CMOS contents, and/or the extended CMOS contents.
MHSAVE - Important Information Backup Utility Version 2.10 (c) 1991-1993
This program is used for making a backup of vital system areas of your
hard drive or drives.
MHSYS 1.0 - DRIVEPRO UTILITY FOR COPYING SYSTEM FILES (c) 1992
ESCAN v1.7: Identifies the manufacturer of all Ethernet LAN cards on
your NetWare net. 09-23-93
EZ-SWAP - Master/Slave Swap Utility Version 1.00 (c) 1995
I rest my case, sorry.
--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege
Susan Bugher
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
a revised set of pages is available - 489 programs
have a look . . .
I see more have just arrived . . .
bye ;)
Bjorn Simonsen
>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
>a revised set of pages is available - 489 programs
>
>have a look . . .
Many thanks - makes it easier to keep up with the many nominations.
Suggesting minor adjustments: I see you have "AR RAM DISK" and
"XMSDSK" (neither not seconded yet) listed under the sub-category
"5 CD Tool" on <www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004SYSTEMUTILITIES.htm>
and <www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php>.
Suggested category in
<news:eubmqv0queemeaeji...@4ax.com> was:
"Memory Utility" Just a slip? IMHO neither belongs under "CD Tool"
(even if a ram disk utility can be used with a boot-cd).
Along the same line, I notice the "Memory utility" category from 2003
page is missing, and replaced with "1 RAM Tester" "2 Process Monitor:
RAM" and "4 RAM Manager". Not sure if this is the smart thing to do,
compared to keeping the older - broader category. But if you want to
keep in line with this division - then I suggest Ram-disks utilities
get their own category...namely "RAM-DISK UTIL" - at least for the
nomination phase :)
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher wrote in <vqqr94b...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
>>>http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>>
>>a revised set of pages is available - 489 programs
>>
>>have a look . . .
>
> Many thanks - makes it easier to keep up with the many nominations.
Thank you. :) the Nominations page *now* has 499 :)
> Suggesting minor adjustments: I see you have "AR RAM DISK" and
> "XMSDSK" (neither not seconded yet) listed under the sub-category
> "5 CD Tool" on <www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004SYSTEMUTILITIES.htm>
> and <www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php>.
>
> Suggested category in
> <news:eubmqv0queemeaeji...@4ax.com> was:
> "Memory Utility" Just a slip? IMHO neither belongs under "CD Tool"
> (even if a ram disk utility can be used with a boot-cd).
>
> Along the same line, I notice the "Memory utility" category from 2003
> page is missing, and replaced with "1 RAM Tester" "2 Process Monitor:
> RAM" and "4 RAM Manager". Not sure if this is the smart thing to do,
> compared to keeping the older - broader category. But if you want to
> keep in line with this division - then I suggest Ram-disks utilities
> get their own category...namely "RAM-DISK UTIL" - at least for the
> nomination phase :)
Hi Bjorn,
I agree adjustments are needed. The plan is to discuss and revise the
subcategories during the discussion period.
My theory for this phase is that close counts in horse shoes, hand
grenades *and* program subcategories. I've tried to use existing
subcategories or I've added a generic sucategory with just a number - to
get the programs somewhat grouped.
Please bear with me for now . . .
Bjorn Simonsen
>I agree adjustments are needed. The plan is to discuss and revise the
>subcategories during the discussion period.
I know. I suggested changes ..."at least for the nomination phase". :)
>My theory for this phase is that close counts in horse shoes, hand
>grenades *and* program subcategories. I've tried to use existing
>subcategories or I've added a generic sucategory with just a number - to
>get the programs somewhat grouped.
Although maybe not very important, still: I do think it can matter if
a program is listed as *one of its kind* among the many nominated -
compared to if it is listed along side four or five others in the
"same" category. Anyone looking over the list of programs not (yet)
nominated *might* stop and read more carefully, think twice and maybe
even try a program, *if* it is listed/grouped as the only one (or two)
in a category, compared to if is listed as one of several other
(seconded) ones. Oh well :)
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>>
>>> Susan Bugher wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Nominations page is here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>>>>
>>>> The election schedule and procedures are here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
>
>
>> NOTE: Removal of other inappropriate nominations will be discussed
>> during the discussion period.
>
>
> FURTHER NOTE: Some PCmag utilities were nominated. All PCmag utilities
> were *removed* from PL2003 since there is now a charge to access them. I
> have *not* listed the nominations. Further discussion, if any seems
> necessary, can be posted in this thread at this time.
FURTHER FUTHER NOTE: HDValet was nominated - it is also a PCmag utility.
It will be removed from the Nominations page.
Susan
--
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org
Susan Bugher
>> FURTHER NOTE: Some PCmag utilities were nominated. All PCmag utilities
>> were *removed* from PL2003 since there is now a charge to access them.
>> I have *not* listed the nominations. Further discussion, if any seems
>> necessary, can be posted in this thread at this time.
>
> FURTHER FUTHER NOTE: HDValet was nominated - it is also a PCmag utility.
> It will be removed from the Nominations page.
re: NoHTML for OE
http://www.baxbex.com/nohtml.html
<quote> Feel free to download the fully functioning, noHTML for Outlook
Express evaluation version with a 30 day-try-before-you-buy license.
</quote>
NoHTML for OE *WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE NOMINATIONS LIST*
The NoHTML for OE nomination did *not* have a ware description.
The HDValet nomination did *not* have a ware description.
*PLEASE* make sure *YOUR* ware descriptions are *complete* and
*accurate*. Post additions and corrections in the Program Description
thread.
Susan Bugher
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
New *set* of pages is available.
514 programs on the list . . .
Bjorn Simonsen
>Nominations are now open for the 2004 Pricelessware list.
Susan, maybe you should repost the first message of each of the
nomination threads, that is:
Subject: [PL] 2004 Carryover Nominations
Subject: [PL] 2004 New Nominations
Subject: [PL] 2004 General Discussion
Subject: [PL] 2004 Program Descriptions
This as a favor to new readers. Some news servers might not carry old
messages that long (1), I guess particularly relevant for the first
message in those threads.
If you do - maybe you should add a first line explaining it is only a
re-post, say lik "[Re-posted for new readers]" or something like it -
so the old-timers will not mistake it for something "new". :)
(1)see for example A.A. Fussy in
<news:bonios$ls6$1...@austar-news.austar.net.au>:
<quote>
Here is my nomination for the PL 2004 (sorry I could not post to the
PL 2004 new nominations thread-as it was no longer available on the
server)
</qoute>
Bjorn Simonsen
>Susan, maybe you should repost the first message of each of the
>nomination threads,
To be clear - I mean re-post as a follow-up in/to those threads,
not as new threads.
Susan Bugher
Susan Bugher wrote:
> Nominations are now open for the the 2004 Pricelessware list.
>
> This thread is for general discussion.
>
> The Nominations page is here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
> The election schedule and procedures are here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
>
> and are repeated below.
>
> Susan
>
> -----------
>
> This is the timetable for the 2004 vote.
>
> NOMINATIONS (2 weeks): November 3 - November 16, 2003
> DISCUSSION (2 weeks): November 17 - November 30, 2003
> VOTING (1 week): December 1 - December 7, 2003
> POST-VOTE DISCUSSION (1 week): December 8 - December 14, 2003
> FINAL LISTED POSTED: December 15, 2003
>
>
> NOMINATIONS
>
> The Pricelessware List is the compilation of the favorite Freeware
> programs of the readers of alt.comp.freeware. The programs picked are
> not meant to be an exhaustive list of the best available Freeware, but
> rather an answer to the often asked "which _____ is best?"
>
> We are selecting the best of the best in Windows programs.
>
> Pricelessware programs may not contain adware or spyware. The program
> should be one of the best Freeware programs available.
>
> Sub-categories are provided for ease of reference, but it is NOT the
> goal of the Pricelessware vote to come up with a program to fit every
> category.
>
> If a program is nominated in more than one category the most appropriate
> category will be determined during the discussion period. Programs will
> be listed only once on the ballot.
>
> note: Please nominate programs in an existing category and sub-category.
> (A new sub-category may be suggested if all the existing sub-categories
> seem inappropriate.)
>
> The preceding year's Pricelessware programs are nominated automatically.
> All nominations must have a second to be placed on the ballot. (Two
> nominations of the same program are considered a nomination and a second.)
>
> In addition, each program must have a complete description and
> description review. The description *should* be prepared by the person
> who nominates the program and reviewed by the person who seconds a
> nomination. Someone else *may* prepare the description and/or review in
> order to qualify the program for a place on the ballot.
>
> VOTING
>
> Vote *only* for the programs that you feel merit inclusion on the list.
> If you want to vote for 3 different e-mail programs because you believe
> all 3 deserve to be on the list, then vote for those 3. Conversely, if
> in your opinion none of the programs listed merit inclusion, do not cast
> a vote.
>
> FINAL SELECTION
>
> A program must receive at least 2 votes to qualify for inclusion on the PL.
>
> In categories where several programs received enough votes to qualify,
> only the top vote getters will be picked.
>
> If you find that there is a glaring omission, please post it in the
> appropriate thread. If there is support for inclusion, an overlooked
> program will be added to the list.
>
> If you feel that a program selected for the PL is not a good choice,
> please post:
>
> Program Name
> Category
> Objections
>
> If there is support for removal, a program which has been voted in will
> be removed from the list.
Susan Bugher
> Susan, maybe you should repost the first message of each of the
> nomination threads, that is:
>
> Subject: [PL] 2004 Carryover Nominations
> Subject: [PL] 2004 New Nominations
> Subject: [PL] 2004 General Discussion
> Subject: [PL] 2004 Program Descriptions
Hi Bjorn,
Reposts have been sent. :)
Susan
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>><quote> Feel free to download the fully functioning, noHTML for Outlook
>>Express evaluation version with a 30 day-try-before-you-buy license.
>></quote>
>>NoHTML for OE *WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE NOMINATIONS LIST*
>
> Oops, my mistake. I had it in the wrong folder on my PC. Apologies, Susan.
Accepted, DAN.
I was *trying* to verify program names - to ensure that names on the
Nomination page are the official program names. Finding one Shareware
nomination was irritating - finding a second Shareware nomination
moments later was *very* irritating.
As I believe you noticed. ;)
BillR
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
> > http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
> > http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
>
> New *set* of pages is available.
>
> 514 programs on the list . . .
>
> Susan
A busy woman who remains pleasant despite bonehead posts -- well, mostly. :-)
Susan Bugher
that have been nominated to date - 520 by my count.
If your program isn't there or if I missed a second to a nomination
please let me know ASAP. Check the cross-reference column first - the
*name* may have been revised.
Please use the description shown on the web page as a starting point
when you post program descriptions. Some programs were nominated by more
than one person - I am seeing conflicting information.
We're making progress . . . :)
Boomer
news:A1KBU4FX37936.6510763889@anonymous:
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>|I have uploaded a new set of pages. They should contain all the
>|programs that have been nominated to date - 520 by my count.
> (snip)
>
> Thank you for updating the pages and for all of your hard work.
Much agreed!
Thank you again, Susan!
Susan Bugher
> I have uploaded a new set of pages. They should contain all the programs
> that have been nominated to date - 520 by my count.
>
> If your program isn't there or if I missed a second to a nomination
> please let me know ASAP. Check the cross-reference column first - the
> *name* may have been revised.
>
> Please use the description shown on the web page as a starting point
> when you post program descriptions. Some programs were nominated by more
> than one person - I am seeing conflicting information.
>
> We're making progress . . . :)
I've just finished checking program names (to date) which also gave me a
link check.
FYI: The following programs either don't have a link on the nomination
pages or the link does not work.
4T Tray Minimizer
Altavista Toolbar
CamStudio
EF Commander
Free PDF
FTP Genius
JB Cat
LastQF
Mozilla Calendar Plugin
MsDVR 2000
On-Line TV
Otaku Mascot
Nfilter
Octopus
Zip Installer
Clippy
omega
> I've just finished checking program names (to date) which also gave me a
> link check.
>
> FYI: The following programs either don't have a link on the nomination
> pages or the link does not work.
[...]
> Octopus
A homepage for this seems to be totally gone. Not long back, a month or
two ago, I went on a fairly intent hunt for any scent of it, but came
back empty.
If anyone finds anything, would like to know. I have the program, just
want to know of any possible homebase for it.
--
Karen S.
omega
> I've just finished checking program names (to date) which also gave me a
> link check.
>
> FYI: The following programs either don't have a link on the nomination
> pages or the link does not work.
[...]
> JB Cat
by Jan van den Borst
http://home.wanadoo.nl/jbsoft/jbcat.html
http://home.wanadoo.nl/jbsoft/jbcat/jbcat.zip
--
Karen S.
Bjorn Abelli
"Susan Bugher" wrote:
> FYI: The following programs either don't have a
> link on the nomination pages or the link does not work.
> Free PDF
The nominated program seems to be this one (as to the nomination posting
from "kalynuik1"), actually with a slightly different name, "FreePDF":
Download Pages:
http://shbox.de/fpx732.htm
There's also exists a program with the name "Free PDF", which is another
freeware with the same purpose. Just in case the nominator had them mixed
up, I include these as well.
http://www.webxd.com/zipguy/freepdf.htm
Download pages:
http://www.simtel.net/product.download.mirrors.php?id=17968
http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_download/0,fid,22333,fileidx,1,00.asp
// Bjorn A
Susan Bugher
Hi Bjorn,
I agree with *much* of what you say - and have started the category
discussion.
The *difficulty* I see with creating a subcategory that has just one
program is that the minimum number of votes needed for PL2004 is *2* and
if there is only one program in the category. . .
Let's move further discussion of this to the category discussion thread.
kalynuik1
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> I have uploaded a new set of pages. They should contain all the
>> programs that have been nominated to date - 520 by my count.
>>
>> If your program isn't there or if I missed a second to a nomination
>> please let me know ASAP. Check the cross-reference column first - the
>> *name* may have been revised.
>>
>> Please use the description shown on the web page as a starting point
>> when you post program descriptions. Some programs were nominated by
>> more than one person - I am seeing conflicting information.
>>
>> We're making progress . . . :)
>
>
> I've just finished checking program names (to date) which also gave me a
> link check.
>
> FYI: The following programs either don't have a link on the nomination
> pages or the link does not work.
>
> 4T Tray Minimizer
> Altavista Toolbar
http://www.altavista.com/toolbar/default
> CamStudio
http://www.ehelp.com/camstudio/product/screenrecording/
> EF Commander
EF Commander Free
http://www.simtel.net/product.php?id=8796
> Free PDF
http://shbox.de/freepdf.htm
(note: site may not be english but english is a install option)
> FTP Genius
http://www.zipgenius.it/intweb/dl.asp
(Note: FTP Genius can be downloaded by self, or as Suite with ZipGenius)
> JB Cat
http://home.wanadoo.nl/jbsoft/
(Note: seems down at the moment, but he updated program this year 2003)
> Mozilla Calendar Plugin
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
> MsDVR 2000
http://www.maksil.com/
> On-Line TV
http://onlinetv.flatserv.de/
> Otaku Mascot
http://otakumascot.com/index.html?/0home.html
> Nfilter
http://www.nfilter.org/
(note: timing out right now)
> Zip Installer
http://riedersoft.ath.cx:85/~users/nirsoft/utils/zipinst.html
(note: was working now not found, but program was udated very recently)
>
Could not find URL's for these
> Clippy> Octopus> LastQF
> Susan
Kingtut1
--
................--<< FreeWare ForEver >>--.................
Only Genuine freeware, non time limited betaware, careware,
donationware, nonag liteware, orphanware, postcardware and
registerware only please and thank-you.
Susan Bugher
> "Susan Bugher" wrote:
>
>
>>FYI: The following programs either don't have a
>>link on the nomination pages or the link does not work.
Many thanks, Bjorn and Karen,
Part of the problem was I had my eyes crossed and missed some info in
one post (blush). Got those URLs entered, searched for the others and
found some.
The remaining problem children are:
Nfilter
Octopus
Help would be appreciated.
kalynuik1
It is the shbox address as the other you mentioned was his older version
& beta project, this new one is a whole lot better and being worked on
at the moment.
Susan Bugher
(lots of URLs)
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> I've just finished checking program names (to date) which also gave me
>> a link check.
>>
>> FYI: The following programs either don't have a link on the nomination
>> pages or the link does not work.
>
> Kingtut1
My bad, humble apologies, I *knew* I should check the posts first before
posting the list but I was on-line . . .
ashamed . . .
John Fitzsimons
wrote:
< snip >
>Could not find URL's for these
>> Clippy> Octopus> LastQF
Clippy : http://wots.coolfreepage.com/link.php?id=SW3
Regards, John.
--
****************************************************
,-._|\ (A.C.F FAQ) http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
/ Oz \ John Fitzsimons - Melbourne, Australia.
\_,--.x/ http://www.aspects.org.au/index.htm
v http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/
Susan Bugher
FYI -> revised set of pages uploaded.
vsj
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
> FYI -> revised set of pages uploaded.
>
> Susan
> Another link for Clippy:
> http://www.simtel.net/product.php?url_fb_product_page=58584
> For some reason, I've never been able to access
> www.wots.coolfreepage.com.
--
omega
> The remaining problem children are:
>
> Nfilter
> Octopus
About Octopus.
Its nominator was DAN <d...@no.spam.thanks>.
In <g8qeqv8ed1f9kpohk...@4ax.com>
The nominator seems to have gone missing. I was the seconder. Must I
now absorb parental responsibility, given the nominator's desertion?
It was only an impulsive act on my part, a single hour of half-hearted
passion, in a forgotten motel.
I do not want to adopt this problem child. I don't even want to pay its
support. I would like to just hand it off to the state, to a group home
or something.
The main thing, I don't at all like the situtation of the links.
To get the program, you have to scrounge pretty hard. To end by resorting
to a third-party download site. Such as the undesirable Winsite. And the zip
link below unfortunately packages a rude setup.exe.
http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?2492
http://dl.winsite.com/files/95/ar2/win95/netutil/octopus.zip
Last known author's description page is only bones in a museum.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030210120522/http://www.redrival.com/mak/octopus/
The program development seems to be wholly abandoned, with its last update
dating early 2000. The author's current home is here:
http://www.moskalyuk.com/software/
Clicking on the Octopus link of the page above, blech, forgeddaboudit.
http://www.moskalyuk.com/octopus/index.htm forced redirect to....
http://www.alexmoskalyuk.com/octopus/ a dead non-domain.
So, I repeat my request. Although I am seconder, I would ask to be absolved
of all responsibility for this particular problem child.
--
Karen S.
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net>:
>
> About Octopus.
>
> Its nominator was DAN <d...@no.spam.thanks>.
> In <g8qeqv8ed1f9kpohk...@4ax.com>
>
> The nominator seems to have gone missing. I was the seconder. Must I
> now absorb parental responsibility, given the nominator's desertion?
> It was only an impulsive act on my part, a single hour of half-hearted
> passion, in a forgotten motel.
>
> I do not want to adopt this problem child. I don't even want to pay its
> support. I would like to just hand it off to the state, to a group home
> or something.
<snip>
> So, I repeat my request. Although I am seconder, I would ask to be absolved
> of all responsibility for this particular problem child.
Just ignore this problem child. It will die of neglect (no description).
Problem solved. <evil grin>
omega
> omega wrote:
> > Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net>:
> >
> > About Octopus.
> >
> > The nominator seems to have gone missing. I was the seconder. Must I
> > now absorb parental responsibility, given the nominator's desertion?
> > It was only an impulsive act on my part, a single hour of half-hearted
> > passion, in a forgotten motel.
> >
> > So, I repeat my request. Although I am seconder, I would ask to be absolved
> > of all responsibility for this particular problem child.
>
>
> Just ignore this problem child. It will die of neglect (no description).
> Problem solved. <evil grin>
Ah that's the plan I want to hear. I was thinking to perhaps wrap it in
a blanket and let it float down the river.
O but we better take caution. Two females conspiring this way, we might
end by inciting some Salem witch burnings. <g>
--
Karen S.
Susan Bugher
Revised set of pages uploaded . . . 526 programs . . .
Susan Bugher
Revised set of pages uploaded. Includes some category revisions.
Susan Bugher
A *big* thank you to Bjorn and Rembranded for their help with the Ware
types - that column is much more complete now. They also found some
*problem childres" - that info hasn't been input yet.
Susan Bugher
Adware is not permitted on the Pricelessware List - see:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004proceduresPL.htm
onlineTV has been *removed* from the Nominations list.
FYI - below is a Google translation of a quote from the German website:
<quote>
What costs that everything?
Completely simply: Nothing! onlineTV Freeware is in the
advertising-financed version ! They can use onlineTV completely freely,
it result only the on-line costs of your InterNet connection.
Small Systemvorraussetzungen
A condition for the employment of the software is an installed (and more
configured) RealPlayer One as well as the Windows MediaPlayer starting
from version 6.4; both Tools are as Freeware available onlineTV run
under all Windows versions starting from Windows 95 (98, ME, 2000, XP)
and necessarily at least 32 MByte main memories.
</quote>
Klaatu
> Programs that were nominated and seconded are listed in the Category
> threads. Programs that did not receive a second during the nomination
> period are listed below in alphabetical order.
Perhaps I missed getting this second for Python in on time?
See <Xns94336547BD554k...@127.0.0.1>
--
"Things are more like they are now than they ever were before."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Susan Bugher
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:03:47 GMT, Susan Bugher posted to alt.comp.freeware:
>
>
>>Programs that were nominated and seconded are listed in the Category
>>threads. Programs that did not receive a second during the nomination
>>period are listed below in alphabetical order.
>
>
> Perhaps I missed getting this second for Python in on time?
>
> See <Xns94336547BD554k...@127.0.0.1>
My bad, I lost track of it. Thanks for the heads-up - I'll make the
correction.
Susan Bugher
> The Nominations page is here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
> Nominated programs can be evaluated at this time.
I have uploaded revised pages. The pages that will become the final
PL2004 web pages have been revised to show *only* the programs that
received a second during the nomination period (including the
alphabetical list and the category page).
The nominations page shows all nominated programs, the links for
programs that did not receive a second now point to a new set of pages
for nominated programs. Descriptions of all nominated programs that are
*not* selected for PL2004 will eventually be moved to these pages.
Please take a look at the new furniture arrangement and let me know what
you think. ;)
omega
> I have uploaded revised pages.
I found a speck on the carpet.
A couple of download links that have an href typo:
Dubit (Multimedia) & Dir2html (Organizers)
--
Karen S.
Susan Bugher
Thanks for the heads-up Karen.
I think I may have broken a whole bunch of local links . . .
be careful where you put your feet . . .
the clean-up crew begins work tomorrow. ;)
Bjorn Simonsen
>Programs that did not receive a second during the nomination
>period are listed below in alphabetical order.
>AR RAM Disk
a Ram Disk driver/utility for NT/2k/XP
>XMS.EMS RAMdisk
a Ram Disk driver/utility for Win9x/DOS.
Surprised to note these two Ram Disk utilities did not make it past
the nomination phase. AFAIK there are no other RAM DISK
drivers/utilities nominated for the PL.
If curios about these two, see my nomination post with descriptions
and links <news:eubmqv0queemeaeji...@4ax.com>
or
<http://google.com/groups?&as_umsgid=eubmqv0queemeaeji...@4ax.com>
...or to see what others have said about AR Ram Disk and/or XMSDISK,
one might also want to try a Google search - like (modify if needed);
search USENET groups for "AR Ram Disk":
<http://groups.google.com/groups?&q=%22AR+Ram+Disk%22&num=100>
search USENET groups for xmsdsk OR xmsdisk:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_oq=xmsdsk%20xmsdisk&num=100>
search the WEB for "AR Ram Disk" AND review:
<http://google.com/search?&q=%22AR+Ram+Disk%22+review&num=100>
search the WEB for review AND xmsdsk OR xmsdisk
<http://google.com/search?as_q=review&as_oq=xmsdsk+xmsdisk&num=100>
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
Bjorn Simonsen
>>AR RAM Disk
>a Ram Disk driver/utility for NT/2k/XP
>>XMS.EMS RAMdisk
>a Ram Disk driver/utility for Win9x/DOS
>Surprised to note these two Ram Disk utilities did not make it past
>the nomination phase.
On second thought - I think maybe my post (and any follow-up comments
from others about the two programs) belongs in the System Utilities
thread, since it can and should be read as invitation to
try/nominate/second the two programs. I have therefor now posted a
copy of my post in the System Utilities thread, see
<news:ddejrv8sq5gnq6qlt...@4ax.com>.
Susan Bugher
> The Nominations page is here:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
> Nominated programs can be evaluated at this time. A valuable program may
> been have been overlooked during the nomination period. Late nominations
> and seconds are permitted during the discussion period if there is
> support for the program.
AVA FIND was nominated and seconded in the File Utilities thread. I will
add it to the nominations list.
but . . .
Just to clarify things a bit (I hope) . . . ;)
*Nominations* *are* ***closed***
If discussion shows that there is support for adding a program it can be
placed on the Nominations List. This is allowed as a means to correct
serious omissions.
It is *not* an extension of the nomination period.
Questions?
REMbr...@inu.net
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>Questions?
No. An extremely great job though. Take a bow. If someone sees you it
won't be all that bad. You have earned it!
Susan Bugher
Oh my! Thank you sir. :) We've still got a ton of programs in some
categories - I thought there would be more discussion by now -
especially where there is a lot of competition for the top spot. Is
everybody talked out? Are they off hunting? I'm *hoping* to try out a
few programs before the vote - I need more info! ;)
Saw your post with the URL for the text editor page - you gave me far
too much credit and are *much* too modest about your own hard work. When
I get a minute I'll add the URL to the info page - just haven't gotten
there yet.
Susan Bugher
A revised set of files has been uploaded.
There are 410 programs on the nomination list.
These programs are new additions:
AVA FIND
Forte Free Agent
EDXOR
Satori PhotoXL has been removed from the 2003 PL and the 2004
nominations. The version available now is shareware. (A new freeware
version is *promised* but not available as yet.)
Susan Bugher
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
DISCUSSION: November 17 - November 30, 2003
I have uploaded a revised set of web pages. 410 programs have been
nominated and seconded by my count. Are any corrections needed?
note: Late nominations made during the DISCUSSION period are shown on
the Nominations list *if* they received support from the group. If late
nominations were made and supported *outside* the PL threads please
repost them in the appropriate category thread - for the record.
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
>
> DISCUSSION: November 17 - November 30, 2003
>
> I have uploaded a revised set of web pages.
Another set has been uploaded - changes have been made in the SYSTEM
UTILITIES subcategories.
Susan Bugher
DISCUSSION: November 17 - November 30, 2003
I have uploaded another revised set of web pages. Changes include
description updates from posts to ACF and my checking, revisions in the
layout of the pages, the order of some subcategories etc.
Programs descriptions on the BUSINESS-HOME page are complete but not
final. I'll post more about that in the BUSINESS-HOME thread.
Susan Bugher
I've uploaded a full set of revised PL2004 web pages. AFAIK all info
that has been posted to date is included.
******* REMINDER *******
VOTING (1 week): December 1 - December 7, 2003
83 *new* programs were nominated and received seconds. Most of these
programs do *not* have complete descriptions. A *complete* description
must be posted *before* December 1, or the program will *NOT* be on the
PL2004 ballot.
******* END REMINDER *******
Please see the post I made today in the Program Description thread for
more information on what constitutes a *complete* description.
*Anyone* may post the *complete* description for a new program.
but not me babe . . .
I'll be updating PL2003 programs. (328 carryovers nominations were
seconded.) Would anyone like to help?
Susan Bugher
My out-of-town *kids* and grandkids arrive today. :)
That means no time to work on the PL. :(
The voting period may have to be moved to a later date.
It doesn't look as if the new program descriptions will be complete by
December 1. I am reluctant to remove a large number of programs from
the ballot.
There are issues that need to be resolved - mostly questions about
*which* version we are voting on.
These programs have unresolved description *issues*:
AI RoboForm - VERSION?
Desktop Architect - WARNING? porn / spyware?
Graph Paper Printer - VERSION?
Kerio Personal Firewall - VERSION?
Mailwasher -VERSION?
PopCorn - VERSION?
Terragen - Crippled?
TypeItIn - VERSION?
WinDriversBackup Personal Edition - now $ware: is a legal last freeware
version available?
-----------
FWIW - I spent most of yesterday updating PL2003 programs and only
managed to get about 20 finished (searching for new download locations
etc. etc. etc.)
AFAIK these new programs have incomplete descriptions (I haven't looked
at all of them - some may be complete):
1-4a Rename
2Flyer Screensaver Builder
Ant Movie Catalog
ArsClip
AVA FIND
Avast!
Cathy
ClickTray Calendar
Cobian Backup
CyberKit
DCOMbobulator
Diagram Designer
Dir2HTML
Dirhtml
EDXOR
emacs
Emergency Recovery Utility NT (ERUNT)
eMule
Explore2fs
FileTargets
Foobar2000
Free Agent
FreeZip
FSRaid
Geminisoft Pimmy
GrabIt
GSpot
IceChat
ID-Blaster Plus
IEradicator
IZArc
K9
Kookie Jar
Lister
Lupas Rename (Lupas 2000)
Media Player Classic
MemoKeys
Mp3tag
nnCron LITE
nPOP
Oscar's File Renamer
Outlook Express
Pan
PDFCreator
PolderBackup
POP Peeper
Popup Manager
Privoxy
PSPad
Psycle
Python
QuickPar
QuickSilver
RecycleNOW
RegMagik
SciTE
Scribe
Shareaza
SlimBrowser
SpywareBlaster
Stone's WebWriter
TCP Optimizer (TCP/IP Optimizer)
The GodFather
TortoiseCVS
TweakAll
UUDWin
Visual CD
WAssociate
Weather Watcher
WebMon
YahooPOPs!
ZipCentral
ZipInstaller
Comments? Suggestions?
Sietse Fliege
> WinDriversBackup Personal Edition - now $ware: is a legal last
> freeware version available?
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=2545
Both the links to the Planet Mirror (UK) and the BTN mirror (USA)
downloads from there seem to work.
--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege
BillR
> AFAIK these new programs have incomplete descriptions (I haven't looked
> at all of them - some may be complete):
> Lupas Rename (Lupas 2000)
PROGRAM NAME
Lupas Rename
WARE DESCRIPTION
Donationware or Emailware
OS:
Win95, Win98, WinME, WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP.
LANGUAGES:
English and 8 others (German, French, Dutch, Português, Castellano,
Italiano, Polski, Català)
DESCRIPTION
Program developed to rename a few or a massive number of files with a
lot of features.
Here are a few features to help you rename the files:
* Rename files and folders including recursive subdirectories
* Shell Integration (right click)
* Instant Preview (Optional)
* Undo
* Make a Batch file to rename and for UNDO operation
* Save and Load your options into an INI File
* Filter by any masks: *.mp3;*.mp2 or ???a*.txt...
* Load/Edit a Text Files in a Small Editor to help renaming files
* Displays and Sort Ascendent/Descendent by any column (name, path,
size, dates ...)
* Replace the name or extension by any text
* Replace a substring by other with Matchcase Optional
* Crop n Chars (Left and/or Right) * Insert any string before and/or
after the filename or extension
* Convert Case (Upper, Lower, Initial, Reverse Initial)
* Autonumbering in any place of the name or extension of the filename.
Optional autostart by Folder in recursive mode. -- Starting at any
number; Incrementing by any number (positive or negative); Adding n
zeros to the number; In Decimal, Hexadecimal, Octal, Binary, Excel
Mode and Manual Excel Mode formats
* You can use TAGs in any text box to use special features when
renaming:
to use the Current Date with any format;
for MP3 Files (Title, Artist, Album, Year and Comment)
for RA Files (Title, Author and Copyright)
for Graphic Files (JPG, GIF, TIF, BMP, PSD, PNG, TGA, LBM and PCX)
(Width, Height, Bits and Color)
to extract the original name from Nintendo 64 Roms
to Create random names
to use Manual Numbering (In any base numeric format and in Excel
Format by using the characters you need)
to insert Data from external Files
to extract the titles from HTML pages
NOTES: It is a simple .EXE file and doesn't need any other external
libraries. Save and Load your options into an INI File. Forum
available.
AUTHOR
Ivan Anton
ian...@lupasfreeware.org
(web form) http://www.azheavymetal.com/~lupasrename/requests.php
LINKS- URLs:
Program Description:
http://www.azheavymetal.com/~lupasrename/lupasrename.php
Download Page: http://www.azheavymetal.com/~lupasrename/download.php
Download Links:
(Installable Setup 535Kb)
http://www.azheavymetal.com/~lupasrename/zips/LupasRenameSetup.exe
(Zipped 250Kb) http://www.azheavymetal.com/~lupasrename/zips/lupasrename.zip
(SFV for exe) http://www.azheavymetal.com/~lupasrename/zips/LupasRenameSetup.sfv
(SFV for zip) http://www.azheavymetal.com/~lupasrename/zips/lupasrename.sfv
PROGRAM VERSION
v4.0
RELEASE DATE
04-August-2003
FILE SIZE
Installable Setup 535Kb; or Zipped 250Kb
BillR
> AFAIK these new programs have incomplete descriptions (I haven't looked
> at all of them - some may be complete):
> Oscar's File Renamer
PROGRAM NAME
Oscar's File Renamer
WARE DESCRIPTION
Freeware
OS:
Unstated, but known to run on Win95, Win98, Win2000, and ???.
LANGUAGES:
English
DESCRIPTION
"The Renamer takes and enhances the idea of editing files in directory
in a full featured Text editor and then writing all the changes at
once into the files. It works simple: Open Renamer, select directory
and the files will appear in the File Name Editor which is a normal
full featured text editor with some additional changes (f.e. you can't
add or delete [a line or enter invalid characters in a filename]). You
can use all the editor functions like Quick find, Replace, multiple
Undo/Redo, Macros and of course normal editing [as well as various
tools like Upper Case/Lower Case or sequential numbering]. Each file
is on a new line and [you] can easily move with arrows like in a
normal text. When the files you wanted to rename are done simply click
Apply Changes and all files will be physically renamed." Original
filenames are visible in a separate small pane and all changed lines
are highlighted. The actual changes are only written to disk when
you press Apply Changes, not during editing. Even then you can undo
changes you just applied.
NOTES:
The Renamer includes an option to add a context menu for files but
not directories. The macro tool only records keyboard entry, not
mouse movements.
COMMENTS:
Sometimes the easiest way to change filenames is just to directly edit
them. If the changes are repetitive, then use the keyboard macro
feature. The Renamer offers minimal help as part of the site
description, but if you know how to use an editor, who needs more?
Oscar's File Renamer is the most intuitive renamer of the bunch.
AUTHOR
Roman Voska (aka Oscar)
COMPANY
Mediachance.com
Email: os...@mediachance.com
LINKS- URLs:
Description: http://www.mediachance.com/free/renamer.htm
Download: http://www.mediachance.com/free/Renamset.exe
PROGRAM VERSION
v1.1 (Aug 6, 2002)
RELEASE DATE
Nov 2002(?)
FILE SIZE
~542kB
Susan Bugher
Hi Sietse,
Yes, there are still download links available and it is freeware. I'm
concerned that the links may simply be leftover from the days when the
program was owned by JerMar.
It is *not* clear (to me at least) whether *distribution* of the last
freeware version is allowed. If someone has the EULA perhaps they could
answer that question.
Susan Bugher
> These programs have unresolved description *issues*:
>
> Desktop Architect - WARNING? porn / spyware?
I have added this warning to the PL2003/ PL2004nom program description -
this seems to me to be the minimum action required.
WARNING: The Desktop Architect home page is gone. The Desktop Architect
URL (http://www.desktoparchitect.com/) found within the Desktop
Architect program points to unrelated web pages that may have unsafe or
objectionable content.
In the past the Desktop Architect URL evidently has led to porn and
spyware - there is no way to predict where may lead in the future.
Since I don't know how others feel about allowing a program with this
kind of problem on the Pricelessware list I am adding Desktop Architect
to the PL2004 acceptable/unacceptable ballot.
Steven Burn
Susan,
Personally I'd deem it unacceptable, specifically because of that
issue.
--
Regards
Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk
Keeping it FREE!
Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)
Sietse Fliege
(Regarding WinDriversBackup freeware version)
> Yes, there are still download links available and it is freeware. I'm
> concerned that the links may simply be leftover from the days when the
> program was owned by JerMar.
>
> It is *not* clear (to me at least) whether *distribution* of the last
> freeware version is allowed. If someone has the EULA perhaps they could
> answer that question.
I see. I installed it now. Green light w.r.t. distribution:
From the EULA (during install) and from the Help file :
"Distribution of WinDriversBackup Personal Edition
Provided that you distribute this software for non-profit you are hereby
licensed to make as many copies of this software and it's accompanying
documentation as you wish; give exact copies of the original version to
anyone; and distribute the software and documentation in its unmodified form
via electronic means. There is no charge for any of the above and no monies
should be charged by anyone distributing the software."
--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege
Susan Bugher
Thanks Sietse,
That's good news. :)
I'm trying to track down a last available version of AIRoboform - that
looks less hopeful - they all seem to have disappeared.
I believe the last uncrippled freeware version is 5.0.8 and I haven't
found anything that looks like that (file size is 1085 KB) (aka 1 110
465 bytes). Found these links to what appear to be earlier versions:
9. 1.0M
ftp.freeware.ru/win/internet/browser/AiRoboForm.exe
10. 1.0M
ftp://ftp.ware.ru/win/internet/browser/AiRoboForm.exe
11. 912.1K ftp.ada.ru/Users/Alexandr/Soft/AiRoboForm v5.01/AiRoboForm.exe
12. 912.1K ftp.aist.net.ru/Users/Alexandr/Soft/AiRoboForm
v5.01/AiRoboForm.exe
Haven't suceeded in downloading anything yet - don't know if it will be
a legal distribution if I do. . .
Would someone like to check these versions? Better yet, does anyone know
of a link to version 5.0.8 - and/ or know whether it is legal to
distribute it?
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in message
> news:vsi4b0r...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Susan Bugher wrote:
>>
>>
>>>These programs have unresolved description *issues*:
>>>
>>>Desktop Architect - WARNING? porn / spyware?
>>
>>I have added this warning to the PL2003/ PL2004nom program description -
>>this seems to me to be the minimum action required.
>>
>>WARNING: The Desktop Architect home page is gone. The Desktop Architect
>>URL (http://www.desktoparchitect.com/) found within the Desktop
>>Architect program points to unrelated web pages that may have unsafe or
>>objectionable content.
>>
>>In the past the Desktop Architect URL evidently has led to porn and
>>spyware - there is no way to predict where may lead in the future.
>>
>>Since I don't know how others feel about allowing a program with this
>>kind of problem on the Pricelessware list I am adding Desktop Architect
>>to the PL2004 acceptable/unacceptable ballot.
> Personally I'd deem it unacceptable, specifically because of that
> issue.
I suspect you may not be alone in that opinion. :)
JanC
> There are issues that need to be resolved - mostly questions about
> *which* version we are voting on.
> Kerio Personal Firewall - VERSION?
AFAIK most people still prefer version 2.1.5
> AFAIK these new programs have incomplete descriptions (I haven't looked
> at all of them - some may be complete):
I think I have completed those that I use below.
Some download links are not direct links. I think we should respect when
authors provide several mirrors to keep their hosting costs low.
> Ant Movie Catalog
OS: Windows
Languages: English (default), Bulgarian, Catalan, Croatian, Czech, Danish,
Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian, Italian, Korean,
Latvian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovenian,
Spanish, Swedish, Turkish
Author: Antoine Potten ("Antoine" on a.c.f)
Download Link: v3.4.2 (2003-11-01) 3255 KiB
<http://www.antp.be/software/moviecatalog/download>
> CyberKit
OS: Windows
Languages: English
Author: Luc Neijens
> Foobar2000
OS: Windows
Languages: English
Description: Foobar2000 is an advanced modular audio player for Windows.
Some of the basic features include ReplayGain support, low memory footprint
and native support for several popular audio formats.
Author: Peter Pawlowski
Download Link: 0.7.4 (2003-11-22) 1157 KiB
<http://www.foobar2000.org/foobar.exe>
version may be updated very often!
> Mp3tag
OS: Windows
Languages: German & English versions
Description: Mp3tag is a powerful and yet easy-to-use tool to edit ID3-tags
and OGG Comments of MP3- and Ogg Vorbis files.
Author: Florian Heidenreich
Home Page: <http://www.mp3tag.de/en/>
Download Link: v 2.15 (2003-10-27) 1.06 MiB
<http://www.mp3tag.de/en/download.html>
> Python
(Freeware) (open source: Python License)
OS: all {Windows, DOS, Linux, Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, *BSD, Solaris, AIX,
almost any other unix, OS/2, AmigaOS, BeOS, OS/390, Palm OS, QNX, VMS,
EPOC, RiscOS, WindowsCE/PocketPC, PlayStation 2, ...}
Languages: English
Description: Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented
programming language. It combines remarkable power with very clear syntax.
It has modules, classes, exceptions, very high level dynamic data types,
and dynamic typing. The standard implementation includes a large standard
library and even more third party extensions are available from the
internet.
Author: Guido van Rossum (BDFL), e.a.
Company: Python Software Foundation (non-profit)
Home Page: <http://python.org/>
Download Link: 2.3.2 (October 3, 2003) 9481060 bytes
<http://python.org/download/>
<http://python.org/ftp/python/2.3.2/Python-2.3.2-1.exe> (for Windows)
> SciTE
Languages:
Author: Neil Hodgson
Download Link: v 1.57 (2003-11-27) 460 KiB
<http://scintilla.org/SciTEDownload.html>
<http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scintilla/wscite157.zip?download>
> TortoiseCVS
OS: Windows
Languages: English, Danish, German, GB-English, French, Dutch, Brazilian
Portuguese, Russian, 2x Chinese (Taiwan + PRC)
Author: Francis Irving (project founder), Torsten Martinsen, Martin
Crawford (current project leaders), e.a.
Home Page: <http://www.tortoisecvs.org/>
Download Link: v1.4.5 (2003-08-11) 4.2 MiB
<http://www.tortoisecvs.org/download.shtml>
<http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tortoisecvs/TortoiseCVS-1.4.5.exe>
--
JanC
"Be strict when sending and tolerant when receiving."
RFC 1958 - Architectural Principles of the Internet - section 3.9
Sietse Fliege
> I'm trying to track down a last available version of AIRoboform - that
> looks less hopeful - they all seem to have disappeared.
>
> I believe the last uncrippled freeware version is 5.0.8 and I haven't
> found anything that looks like that (file size is 1085 KB) (aka 1 110
> 465 bytes).
I found version 5.0.8 1085 KB 1.114.112 bytes here:
http://tucows.so-net.com.hk/preview/193680.html
http://tucows.so-net.com.hk/files5/AiRoboForm.exe
> Would someone like to check these versions? Better yet, does anyone know
> of a link to version 5.0.8 - and/ or know whether it is legal to
> distribute it?
I guess that linking to this tucows download cannot be anything but legal.
Note: I never used RoboForm and know nothing about the various versions.
I only know from the cumulative PL list that it has been Pricelessware.
I *seem* to remember that there has always been some issue with it.
I installed and noted (FWIF) that apparently daily checking for AutoUpdate
is obligatory and that then (optionally fake or empty) registration data are
sent :
<quote>
REGISTRATION DATA.
When you run AI RoboForm for the first time, it will show
Registration Dialogue that requests name, e-mail address.
The name and e-mail address that you enter into
Registration Dialogue is sent to Siber Systems server.
REGISTRATION DATA IS EDITABLE.
Note that registration name and e-mail address can be
different from names and e-mail addresses used in Identities.
Specifically, registration data can be fake or empty.
To edit Registration Data, open "Options. Other" and
click "Registration Info" button.
AUTO UPDATE.
AI RoboForm checks Siber Systems web site www.siber.com
for its new version approximately once a day.
If it finds a version that is newer than the version
that you have, AI RoboForm will offer you to upgrade.
Registration data is sent when checking for AutoUpdate.
</quote>
--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege
Antoine
[snip]
>> Ant Movie Catalog
> OS: Windows
> Languages: English (default), Bulgarian, Catalan, Croatian, Czech,
> Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian,
> Italian, Korean, Latvian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian,
> Serbian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, Swedish, Turkish
> Author: Antoine Potten ("Antoine" on a.c.f)
Hello Janc,
I am not Antoine Potten, the author of Ant Movie Catalog.
Have I missed another "Antoine" on a.c.f ?
--
Antoine
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> schreef:
>
>>Kerio Personal Firewall - VERSION?
>
> AFAIK most people still prefer version 2.1.5
I think so too. Can't remember if it's available though . . .
>>AFAIK these new programs have incomplete descriptions (I haven't looked
>>at all of them - some may be complete):
>
>
> I think I have completed those that I use below.
Thank you. :) :)
> Some download links are not direct links. I think we should respect when
> authors provide several mirrors to keep their hosting costs low.
I agree - IMO linking to a download page is often preferable for other
reasons as well - more links, other versions, additional information,
etc. etc.
The file information is still needed though - version, release date,
file size, file name. Many people want this info when they are reading
the descriptions.
and . . . when a program becomes unavailable at the link we have shown
having the *file name* makes it easier to search for alternate download
locations.
Susan Bugher
Sietse, you are a marvel! Thank you. :)
I hope people who use AI Roboform will comment on the Registration/
update issues - do we need notes about this in the program description?
dszady
<vsk5r8n...@corp.supernews.com>:
> JanC wrote:
>
>> Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> schreef:
>>
>>>Kerio Personal Firewall - VERSION?
>>
>> AFAIK most people still prefer version 2.1.5
The current description of Kerio Personal Firewall version 2.1.5 on the
PL site is good. My info with yours:
Kerio Personal Firewall (freeware) OS: Win98/ME/NT/2000/XP
(English)
http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/PL2003SECURITY.htm#K106
d/l: Nov. 23, 2003 2,170,516b
Kerio Personal Firewall (KPF) is a software agent that builds a barrier
between your personal computer and the Internet. KPF is designed to
protect your PC against attacks from both the Internet, and other
computers in the local network. KPF controls all data flow in both
directions from the Internet to your computer and vice versa, and it
can block all attempted communication allowing only what you choose to
permit. This makes KPF an ideal solution for notebook computers that
freely travel in and out of the corporate network, facing exposure to
various risks as they connect from different locations. Kerio Personal
Firewall protects against information theft, modification or
destruction, Trojan horse applications, spyware, unauthorized access
from within the local network, denial of service attacks to
applications or services.
Author/Home Page: http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html
Download: v 2.1.5 (2003-05-09) (2 MB)
http://www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf2-en-win.exe
Alternate download link v 2.1.5 (2003-05-09) (2 MB)
http://download.kerio.cz/dwn/kpf2-en-win.exe
(desc. rev.: 2003-07-20)
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